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Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:13:42 AM »
Supposedly he is ratting out a lot of other guys. Anybody care to speculate what MLB players or former players are on his list?
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2006, 06:21:44 AM »
the guys on ESPN said this will be bigger than canseco, bigger than palmario, bigger than Bonds....

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2006, 06:22:45 AM »
I wonder if he is going to rat out some of that regions Bodybuilding influences...
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2006, 06:26:17 AM »
Supposedly he is ratting out a lot of other guys. Anybody care to speculate what MLB players or former players are on his list?

is it just me or does all this baseball stuff seem like non-sense? I mean come on, doesn't the senate and house have more important things to convene on and discuss than baseball and steriods? We are at war, we have serious economic issues, gas prices, global warming, and Brad and angelina just had their baby......WTF?

They should legalize steriods, make those of us who wish to use them, go to doctors, then at least we know it will be admintered in a safer more stable fashion, the gov. could tax it, pharm companies could sell more and bill insurance companies more... I mean, tell me the downside???????

Just venting...

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2006, 06:29:07 AM »
is it just me or does all this baseball stuff seem like non-sense? I mean come on, doesn't the senate and house have more important things to convene on and discuss than baseball and steriods? We are at war, we have serious economic issues, gas prices, global warming, and Brad and angelina just had their baby......WTF?

They should legalize steriods, make those of us who wish to use them, go to doctors, then at least we know it will be admintered in a safer more stable fashion, the gov. could tax it, pharm companies could sell more and bill insurance companies more... I mean, tell me the downside???????

Just venting...
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2006, 06:33:34 AM »
... I mean come on, doesn't the senate and house have more important things to convene on and discuss than baseball and steriods? We are at war, we have serious economic issues, gas prices, global warming, and Brad and angelina just had their baby......WTF?


No!  We MUST stop steroid use and gay marriage at all costs!!!!!  >:(

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2006, 06:35:46 AM »
LEGALIZE IT!!!!    (weed that is ..hehehe)
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 06:58:41 AM »
damn LOTS of MLB names?
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 07:01:11 AM »
I feel it's kind of oxymoronic that the "sport" with the most rampant use......Bodybuiding / IFBB is the one area that is least sought after


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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 07:04:23 AM »
I'm just glad that is was a PITCHER getting caught this time around. Everyone is crucifying the sluggers when the guys throwing the ball are juiced too. Been sayin this since day 1

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2006, 07:19:53 AM »
Here's the article:

Grimsley released day after steroid search

By ANDREW BAGNATO, AP Sports Writer Thu Jun 8, 6:49 AM ET

PHOENIX - Pitcher Jason Grimsley was released by the
Arizona Diamondbacks on Wednesday, a day after his home was searched by federal agents following his admission he used human growth hormone, steroids and amphetamines.

The raid — and Grimsley's implication of other major league ballplayers — was the latest sign that widespread investigations into drug use by athletes are still active, even in the era of tougher testing.

"Clearly," U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan said, "we're not done."

Grimsley's agent told The Associated Press he thought this would mark the end of the 38-year-old reliever's career.

"My guess is Jason's done playing," Joe Bick said in a telephone interview. "I couldn't anticipate that he would play again, but that's his call.

"He didn't want to be a distraction to the team."

Diamondbacks general manager Josh Byrnes said Grimsley asked for his unconditional release in meetings with team officials Tuesday and Wednesday.

"We accepted his request," Byrnes said.

According to court documents, Grimsley failed a baseball drug test in 2003.

Thirteen federal agents searched his home in Scottsdale, Ariz., for six hours Tuesday, but they would not reveal what they found. Investigators who cracked the BALCO steroid scandal in San Francisco said Grimsley initially cooperated in the probe but withdrew his assistance in April, prompting Tuesday's search.

Authorities tracked a package containing two "kits" of human growth hormone — about a season's supply — that was delivered at Grimsley's house on April 19, court documents released Tuesday showed.

Moments later, agents armed with a warrant offered him an option: Cooperate with their investigation into athletes using performance-enhancing drugs, or submit to an immediate search. Grimsley agreed to be interviewed.

He proceeded to detail his "receipt and use of anabolic steroids, amphetamines and human growth hormone over the last several years," but said he went exclusively with HGH when baseball's testing program began.

Grimsley also identified several other players who he said had used or supplied the drugs, though their names were blacked out from court documents. They included a handful of former teammates and one player he identified as one of his "better friends in baseball," adding that it was common knowledge that "Latin players" were a major source for amphetamines.

He also identified a personal fitness trainer to several major league ballplayers who once referred him to someone that later supplied him with an array of drugs.

The investigation is being run by prosecutors and authorities in San Francisco, where five Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative defendants pleaded guilty to distributing or developing steroids. Ryan said the government's probe will "diligently follow the evidence."

A federal grand jury in San Francisco is also investigating whether Giants slugger Barry Bonds lied under oath about using the performance-enhancing drug known as "the clear" during his grand jury testimony that led to the indictment of four people connected to BALCO.

The issue of athletes and drugs has been a constant topic in sports, heightened when Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa testified before Congress last year and further fueled by the Grimsley developments.

"It can't be more of a distraction than it already is,"
New York Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina said. "Every time Barry Bonds comes up to the plate, they're talking about it. How much longer can you keep talking about the same subject?"

Commissioner Bud Selig had no comment on the specifics of Grimsley's case. Major League Baseball executive vice president Rob Manfred said HGH "is a problem for all sports because there is no universally accepted and validated test."

"No governing body in any sport has ever been able to discipline an athlete for the use of HGH," he said.

Grimsley's locker was empty before Arizona's 7-3 loss to Philadelphia at Chase Field.

Bick said "there was no negotiation" over the remainder of Grimsley's $825,000 salary. "Released players get paid," he said.

Grimsley was 1-2 with a 4.88 ERA in 19 games as a long reliever this season, his first with Arizona.

Diamondbacks pitcher Terry Mulholland said Grimsley addressed his NL West-leading teammates after Tuesday's loss to the Phillies.

"He expressed to us that he had too much respect for us to allow this to bring us down," Mulholland said. "He's that kind of guy."

Former Kansas City teammate Jeremy Affeldt said he talked to Grimsley earlier Wednesday.

"He's down. It's an embarrassing thing when you get caught. It was a judgment call on his part. I think he knows it was wrong. I don't think he would deny that," Affeldt said.

Grimsley began his career with Philadelphia in 1989 and pitched for Cleveland, California, the Yankees, Kansas City, Baltimore and Arizona. He was 42-58 with a 4.77 ERA.

Grimsley has spent much of his career as a journeyman, but made headlines in 1999 when he confessed to his role in the Albert Belle corked bat caper.

Grimsley, who had been Belle's teammate with Cleveland, admitted he worked his way through a crawl space at Comiskey Park in 1994 and dropped through the ceiling in the umpires' room to replace the illegal bat.

"I went sky diving once, and I can compare it to that," Grimsley said at the time. "The adrenaline rush I got from that caper was just like jumping out of an airplane. It was being in a place you're not supposed to be."

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2006, 07:22:33 AM »
I think Giambi is on top of the list. I have no doubt he's on.

For half the season last year he couldn't catch up to anyone's fastball and then all of a sudden he's bashing the ball again.

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2006, 07:26:07 AM »
is it just me or does all this baseball stuff seem like non-sense? I mean come on, doesn't the senate and house have more important things to convene on and discuss than baseball and steriods? We are at war, we have serious economic issues, gas prices, global warming, and Brad and angelina just had their baby......WTF?


Rhino,

You bring up a good point. Who cares if people use performance enhancing drugs, as long as a doctor is involved. That's the way steroids used to be. A personal choice. The use in sporting events is a little more complicated, but I think we will never stop it. There is a history of using cocaine in sports all the way back to the early 1900's!

Look at the double standard with Viagra. It's supposedly the biggest selling drug ever. Do you think it is medically needed for all those users? Isn't a potential side effect blindness (insert joke about going blind here......). I guess most congressmen use it, so we don't hear anything about it. Just my $.02

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2006, 07:28:18 AM »
two kits of GH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow, public eneny number one, call in the SWAT team. ::)
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2006, 07:43:26 AM »
is it just me or does all this baseball stuff seem like non-sense? I mean come on, doesn't the senate and house have more important things to convene on and discuss than baseball and steriods? We are at war, we have serious economic issues, gas prices, global warming, and Brad and angelina just had their baby......WTF?

They should legalize steriods, make those of us who wish to use them, go to doctors, then at least we know it will be admintered in a safer more stable fashion, the gov. could tax it, pharm companies could sell more and bill insurance companies more... I mean, tell me the downside???????

Just venting...

Apparently, Congress has solved every other problem in the country, including violence in cartoons.  So what else is left??

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2006, 07:47:35 AM »
the guys on ESPN said this will be bigger than canseco, bigger than palmario, bigger than Bonds....

Wow!
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2006, 07:48:47 AM »
I feel it's kind of oxymoronic that the "sport" with the most rampant use......Bodybuiding / IFBB is the one area that is least sought after



Bodybuilding is just such a niche sport its not even on the radar.
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2006, 07:51:05 AM »
I think Giambi is on top of the list. I have no doubt he's on.

For half the season last year he couldn't catch up to anyone's fastball and then all of a sudden he's bashing the ball again.

He can't be that stupid can he? Also his body looks a lot less muscular than a few years ago. I admit he has been back to his old self since mid last year.
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2006, 07:55:06 AM »
Rick Collins just bought a new yacht.  Calling it the Brothers Grimsley.

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2006, 08:04:10 AM »

They should legalize steriods, make those of us who wish to use them, go to doctors, then at least we know it will be admintered in a safer more stable fashion, the gov. could tax it, pharm companies could sell more and bill insurance companies more... I mean, tell me the downside???????

Just venting...

Ironically, this is exactly what is happening with HRT. The pharmaceutical giants are no doubt lobbying for these crackdowns on illegal steroid / GH use (which is no doubt better for the booming HRT business). Who better to make an example out of than famous athletes?

Before you know it, practically every male in the US over thirty five will be on legal, doctor prescribed HRT. And the population consisting of those who are willing to step outside the law (in order to use whatever they want however they want without medical supervision) will grow smaller and smaller, due to the legal risks.

You've seen how the DEA has gotten involved with steroid crackdowns in Mexico and even Thailand. I'm guessing they'll start pressuring Canada next to tighten their steroid laws. It's all about Big Business and Big Bucks.
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2006, 08:06:58 AM »
I think Giambi is on top of the list. I have no doubt he's on.

For half the season last year he couldn't catch up to anyone's fastball and then all of a sudden he's bashing the ball again.


Giambi is smashing the ball because of his batting coach Don Mattingly.

If opponents didnt use the infield "shift" everytime he came up, he'd be batting .400.

Giambi is so patient. constantly drawing walks.

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2006, 08:14:15 AM »

Giambi is smashing the ball because of his batting coach Don Mattingly.

If opponents didnt use the infield "shift" everytime he came up, he'd be batting .400.

Giambi is so patient. constantly drawing walks.

Explain to me how a batting coach helps a seasoned veteran who couldn't catch up to an 89 MPH fastball for half a season all of a sudden start bashing the ball?

He's clearly back on something and I'd bet real money it's HGH. And what's up with him sweating like a pig? The dude has a serious issue with his sweat glands. I wonder what could cause that. 

He can't be that stupid can he? Also his body looks a lot less muscular than a few years ago. I admit he has been back to his old self since mid last year.

I don't think he's being stupid, he built his career through performance enhancing drugs and MLB doesn't test for HGH and from what I hear the test itself isn't completely reliable even if they did test.

Plus the players union will never allow any type of blood test so taking HGH was a no brainer for him, except now this Grimley guy got busted and is willing to tell his story.

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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2006, 08:15:05 AM »

Bingo!

Politicians talk about bullshit non-issues like steroids, immigration, and gay marriage to take our mind off the real issues and problems they're conveniently ignoring.  >:(

Illegal immigration is a huge issue. Soon New Mexico, southern California and Texas are going to be a majority Mexican. These people will then vote. They will elect their own leaders. They will enact laws effecting all including non-Mexicans. Many Mexican Americans real allegience is to Mexico and not the USA. There are many Mexican-American organizations who's stated goal is to reclaim the southwest for Mexico.
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2006, 08:16:24 AM »
Explain to me how a batting coach helps a seasoned veteran who couldn't catch up to an 89 MPH fastball for half a season all of a sudden start bashing the ball?

He's clearly back on something and I'd bet real money it's HGH. And what's up with him sweating like a pig from? The dude has a serious issue with his sweat glands. I wonder what could cause that. 

Maybe he is clean. he also got rid of that intestinal parasite and has put his juicing problems behind him.
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Re: Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2006, 08:18:04 AM »
Its is very arguable if HGH has ANY performance enhancing benefits to athletes.  This guy is 38 yrs old playing major league ball with the best in the world.  Your GH levels start falling after 30.  The HGH is probably helping his recovery and allowing him to have a better chance of playing in his later years!  As long as a doctor is regulating the HGH, there should be no issue here.  GH in reasonable amounts is very safe.

Don't we want to see athletes play longer and healthier????  This is ridiculous.  This is an important argument that needs to be brought to public attention.