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One hour to go. Here are pics of Obama's moving day next January.
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Cant wait.
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Cant wait.
You might have to though.
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Take one shot every time Obama says "Bin Laden"
Take one shot every time Romney says "failure"
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Take a shot every time Obama talks about his grandma
Take a shot every time Romney talks about him balancing the budget in Massachusetts
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Only one debate thread allowed on G&O
might as well be this one.
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This old fart moderator will be a total doormat I wager.
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Is this the official thread?
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This old fart moderator will be a total doormat I wager.
No shit...why did they get thiis guy?
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Only one debate thread allowed on G&O
might as well be this one.
Thank you, Princess
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"Gender equality" in the Middle East, haha yes that is coming right up if the USA would just step in and help them with it.
^^ Really? I think he's (Romney) been really good so far. Hasn't been answering the questions at all but that's typical.
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Damn Obama is really going after him tonight.
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Wow...already getting Libya out of the way....doesn't work out good for Romney. He'll need to allude to it all through the debate. Obama was obviously prepared for it
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I think Romney is doing good....so far....
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This old fart moderator will be a total doormat I wager.
So far, so good.
Seems pretty civil so far...
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I think Romney is doing good....so far....
He's doing alright. This is a tough topic for him.
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He's doing alright. This is a tough topic for him.
I agree......Obama looks good too to be fair.
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;D
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I think Romney is doing good....so far....
He started out flat and tougue tied but he's loosening up....However, he's going to have a long night. Obama has a lot of notches in his belt...ending the Iraq War, Bin Laden defeated, and the endless number of terrorist being pwned by those Predator Drones.
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Let me guess , Republicans think Romney is winning , Democrats think Obama is winning
Am I right ???
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He started out flat and tougue tied but he's loosening up....However, he's going to have a long night. Obama has a lot of notches in his belt...ending the Iraq War, Bin Laden defeated, and the endless number of terrorist being pwned by those Predator Drones.
I agree....Barrack is holding the cards here.
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Let me guess , Republicans think Romney is winning , Democrats think Obama is winning
Am I right ???
;D
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Let me guess , Republicans think Romney is winning , Democrats think Obama is winning
Am I right ???
Corrrect.
I agree....Barrack is holding the cards here.
Obama is on his game tonight. Obama is not affected by the altitude tonight. :D
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Romney pretty much just repeated what Obama said....he needs to say what he'll do differently from Obama....if he's agreeing with him then he automatically loses
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This is like a debate between myself and tbombz on getting fucked in the ass. Very lopsided experience levels.
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Corrrect.
Obama is on his game tonight. Obama is not affected by the altitude tonight. :D
Romney had a great zinger on Russia......
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Romney had a great zinger on Russia......
Gonna need more than one zinger tonight. I still have a feeling that Obama will win the election.
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Romney had a great zinger on Russia......
He did, it kind of got lost in the shuffle though. Should have saved it for a more meaningful point in the debate.
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Take one shot every time Obama says "Bin Laden"
Take one shot every time Romney says "failure"
wated by 9:20 pm
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Romney pretty much just repeated what Obama said....he needs to say what he'll do differently from Obama....if he's agreeing with him then he automatically loses
obama is a neocon. the only thing romeny can do to go beyond that is start a war with Iran next fall. Kinda expensive.
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Gonna need more than one zinger tonight. I still have a feeling that Obama will win the election.
It's going to be very close. The polls are so tight right now.....one fuck up by one of these dudes and it's over.
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Corrrect.
Obama is on his game tonight. Obama is not affected by the altitude tonight. :D
Pics of the chick you are banging or it didn't happen .
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Corrrect.
Obama is on his game tonight. Obama is not affected by the altitude tonight. :D
Doug!!! Where you been? How ya been?
Romney made a good point about Latin America, which I said months ago...
Romney is making good points, Obama is making good points. A cyborg vs a used car salesman...
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9:35
here we go...
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Romney had a great zinger on Russia......
It pretty much got lost in translation....a debate on foreign policy isn't a great place to throw zingers. Both Romney and Obama need to be serious and stick to the subjects
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Doug Steele returns
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It pretty much got lost in translation....a debate on foreign policy isn't a great place to throw zingers. Both Romney and Obama need to be serious and stick to the subjects
I agree....bad choice of words on my part. He had a good point in regards to Russia... ;D
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Why is Romney discussing jobs and education...this is a fucking foreign policy debate???
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Why is Romney discussing jobs and education...this is a fucking foreign policy debate???
They - the news - reported that he'd worm in the economy some how....
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Why is Romney discussing jobs and education...this is a fucking foreign policy debate???
You can go to his web site and look up his policies. :-\ :-\ Obama took this debate.
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I agree....bad choice of words on my part. He had a good point in regards to Russia... ;D
Yea, but the year isn't 1980....Cold War is long over and the Russians for the most part are our allies.....Fuck the Russians. They need to stick with the Jawas and the Tuskin Raiders on Tatooine.... ::)
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"Go to my website" oh dear.
Obama is killing this in my opinion.
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"Go to my website" oh dear.
Obama is killing this in my opinion.
Romney talking about balancing his budget while it is about foreign policies. :-\ :-\
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Yea, but the year isn't 1980....Cold War is long over and the Russians for the most part are our allies.....Stick with the Jawas and the Tuskin Raiders on Tatooine.... ::)
Have to disagree......the Russians are really not our allies and Putin is a die hard commie. Romney is right...they are a real Geopolitical foe.
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Have to disagree......the Russians are really not our allies and Putin is a die hard commie. Romney is right...they are a real Geopolitical foe.
But they are not the current threat.....its still the sand people.
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romney keeps talking about the economy, his strength. he knows when to steer from the foreign policy.
9:43 PM, obama smacking him senseless - we also have fewer horses and carriages that we did in 1916. We have these things called aircraft carriers now.
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Yea, but the year isn't 1980....Cold War is long over and the Russians for the most part are our allies.....Stick with the Jawas and the Tuskin Raiders on Tatooine.... ::)
Cold War isn't over, it's recontextualized (and with lasting ramifications). Fukuyama's thesis of the triumph of liberal democracy was a bit premature.
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We are playing BATTLESHIP!! :D :D
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Romney talking about balancing his budget while it is about foreign policies. :-\ :-\
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says the debt is the single greatest threat to national security so talking about balancing the budget is pretty valid.
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Romney talking about balancing his budget while it is about foreign policies. :-\ :-\
Yea, what the fuck is he doing??? He's trying to change the subject on a debate about foreign policy...
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Pretty cool watching Romney get his ass kicked tonight. 8)
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But they are not the current threat.....its still the sand people.
And who do you think arms the sand people, dude?
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obama just made the first good point (navy and airforce strength isnt about total number of ships and planes but about total capabilities) he now has the momemtum in this debate.
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And who do you think arms the sand people, dude?
China and North Korea.
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China and North Korea.
and Russia.....they are not our friends, man.
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"uh, i want to underscore the scame point the president made..."
He has said that a lot tonight.
US foreign policy under romney: Identical to Obama, except his advisers (17 of 24 were bush advisers) will have us in a war with iran in his first year in officer. Fucking super.
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and Russia.....they are not our friends, man.
We've sold more weapons to them than Russia. My point is that no one gives a shit about the Russians right now....its all about the Arabs
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But they are not the current threat.....its still the sand people.
The biggest threat is from within.
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Yea, what the fuck is he doing??? He's trying to change the subject on a debate about foreign policy...
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says the debt is the single greatest threat to national security so talking about balancing the budget is pretty valid.
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Romney is just all over the place tonight. Apartheid?
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"uh, i want to underscore the scame point the president made..."
He has said that a lot tonight.
US foreign policy under romney: Identical to Obama, except his advisers (17 of 24 were bush advisers) will have us in a war with iran in his first year in officer. Fucking super.
Do you want a nuclear Iran?
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What the fuck is wrong with Romney....he needs to pull it together and get back on subject.
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Hi, mitt...
The US ALREADY buys no oil from iran. Glad to hear you'd iimplement that policy.
I thought that was ALREADy the case? the U.S.'s trade embargo against Iran?
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National Debt and Foreign policy are intertwined. We spend a shitload of money overseas that we don't have.
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and Russia.....they are not our friends, man.
Fair weather friends---friends when they agree with us or need something that benefits them.
If America could reconnect with Latin America, sheeeeit, that would be a powerhouse.
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Do you want a nuclear Iran?
1) Israel will bomb the mother fck out of iran when they're close. We will back them.
a "war" involves the US sending in men, setting up bases, spending half a trillion a year and losing 500 soldiers a month. We don't want that.
just unlease israel... give them green light to bomb anything they feel is a threat, and have a beer :)
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1) Israel will bomb the mother fck out of iran when they're close. We will back them.
a "war" involves the US sending in men, setting up bases, spending half a trillion a year and losing 500 soldiers a month. We don't want that.
just unlease israel... give them green light to bomb anything they feel is a threat, and have a beer :)
It's inevitable, doesn't matter which shitbag holds the office.
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National Debt and Foreign policy are intertwined. We spend a shitload of money overseas that we don't have.
The deficit Romney would EXPLODE in growth through $5 trillion in tax cuts and an increase in $2 trillion in military spending. Just like Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, etc. ;)
Romney would be a typical deficit DISASTER, just like every republican president for the last 40+ years.
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I think we should go isolationist and let the Middle East turn themselves into a giant wasteland.
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just unlease israel... give them green light to bomb anything they feel is a threat, and have a beer :)
Isreal does whatever they want...they don't require the U.S. to "unrelease" them, whatever that means.
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It's inevitable, doesn't matter which shitbag holds the office.
This.
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What the fuck is wrong with Romney....he needs to pull it together and get back on subject.
I disagree.....he's doing well with the subject on Iran right now.
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Isreal does whatever they want...they don't require the U.S. to "unrelease" them, whatever that means.
I lol'd
Not unleash
Not release
Unrelease.
Impressive 240, impressive.
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Romney just said the "Apology Tour" statement....he just really walked into it because I'm sure Obama has a nasty retort for that
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Are any voters actually worried about a nuclear Iran?
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Since Bush: the Hermit Kingdom, i.e., mercurial North Korea, literally went ballistic, tested its first-ever nuclear weapon, and is boasting about ramping up production. Similarly, Iran followed suit by invoking a doctrine of Atomic Destiny, and promised to intensify, not attenuate, its efforts to enrich uranium.
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I disagree.....he's doing well with the subject on Iran right now.
Yea, he finally got back on subject but that cost him a bunch of points with people likely.
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Are any voters actually worried about a nuclear Iran?
We should....those fuckers are crazy.
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I disagree.....he's doing well with the subject on Iran right now.
No he isn't. ::)
Romney has offered NOTHING different in how he would deal with Iran.
The president is supremelyconfident and competent on foreign policy...Romney is a neophyte.
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Are any voters actually worried about a nuclear Iran?
certainly not me
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Haha I liked that response by Romney to that stupid question re: "suppose Israel calls you and says our bombers are on the way."
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certainly not me
Thats because it doesnt involve food stamps or section 8 housing
/racist joke
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No he isn't. ::)
Romney has offered NOTHING different in how he would deal with Iran.
The president is supremelyconfident and competent on foreign policy...Romney is a neophyte.
It's a tough deal...there isn't much he can say other then turning the place into a parking lot. On the other hand..he does make a good point on how nothing is changing right now......the middle east is exploding and nothing is being done.
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Way to exploit and politicize a young girls grief, OB. Filt!
No shit.....
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It's a tough deal...there isn't much he can say other then turning the place into a parking lot. On the other hand..he does make a good point on how nothing is changing right now......the middle east is exploding and nothing is being done.
And not much more CAN be done, which is why Romney's posturing and blustering is bullshit.
In essence, Romney should just endorse Obama's mideast policies. :D ;)
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And not much more CAN be done, which is why Romney's posturing and blustering is bullshit.
In essence, Romney should just endorse Obama's mideast policies. :D ;)
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You must be an Obama supporter.... ;D
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Way to exploit and politicize a young girl's grief, OB. Filt!
No shit.....
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Benny, you're too partisan.
Im not sure if you're aware, but Benny like President Obama.
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Benny, you're too partisan.
Nah, you just have Obama Derangement Syndrome. ;)
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I like how Bob Schieffer shut down Willard's attempt to get extra time to speak. ;D
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I'm @ taco bell eating now, who's ahead in the debate so far and who didn't come prepared
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where are the usual suspects in these threads?
declaring the election all but over, and Romney is "killing" him?
:D
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Nah, you just have Obama Derangement Syndrome. ;)
Yes, you see Kahn, if you don't believe that President Obama is infallible, and if you don't believe he's had a picture perfect presidency and done everything exactly correct, you have Obama Derangement Syndrome, as Obama has no faults and has no failures as President.
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I'm @ taco bell eating now, who's ahead in the debate so far and who didn't come prepared
The guy that is full of shit is beating the other guy thats full of shit.
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I'm @ taco bell eating now, who's ahead in the debate so far and who didn't come prepared
Is this question for a Democrat or a Republican?
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I lol'd
Not unleash
Not release
Unrelease.
Impressive 240, impressive.
i had a little merlot lol...
eating waffles now and fast and accurate once again!
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The guy that is full of shit is beating the other guy thats full of shit.
And pretty soon BigN will be full of $H!t ;D
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where are the usual suspects in these threads?
declaring the election all but over, and Romney is "killing" him?
:D
They are watching Romney get his ASS KICKED, and waiting for FOX tonight and Rush tomorrow to give them their spin and talking points.
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where are the usual suspects in these threads?
declaring the election all but over, and Romney is "killing" him?
:D
I think we are debated out and are just ready to vote. This shit's boring.
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What we really need to do is go after those Chinese sons of a bitches.
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Yes, you see Kahn, if you don't believe that President Obama is infallible, and if you don't believe he's had a picture perfect presidency and done everything exactly correct, you have Obama Derangement Syndrome, as Obama has no faults and has no failures as President.
Nolo contendere, I suffer from ODS.
Romney made a good point about keeping non-state actors away from WMDs (old hat, but still good).
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I think we are debated out and are just ready to vote. This shit's boring.
That is true but only the rightest of right Republicans could think Romney is winning this one tonight.
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The guy that is full of shit is beating the other guy thats full of shit.
Could not have said it better. It's a dog and pony show.
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Their watching Romney get his ASS KICKED, and waiting for FOX tonight and Rush tomorrow to give them their spin and talking points.
Dude...doesn't matter who wins or loses tonight. This won't move the polls. Your boy didn't show up in the first debate and it killed him. He won't make that ground back up.......
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just unlease israel... give them green light to bomb anything they feel is a threat, and have a beer :)
Lol @ unlease
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Romney just stepped in it with China, he must be in bed with...
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I don't watch debates. I know what I want. I'm not spending time listening to someone try to tell me what I need or should believe in. I do my research off camera and will place my vote when the time comes. I don't approve of any politician. Do your own research and make the best choice.
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That is true but only the rightest of right Republicans could think Romney is winning this one tonight.
Yea....Mitt got his ass kicked....worse thing he did was imply that we should not move heaven and earth to kill Bin Laden and followed up by him not doing enough to weaken the Taliban?? He killed the leader of the group. If it was a country, Obama would have wiped out the President, Vice President, and practically all of Congress
Aasking Pakistan for permission to do something??? What the fuck was he thinking???
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The guy that is full of shit is beating the other guy thats full of shit.
Well said
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That is true but only the rightest of right Republicans could think Romney is winning this one tonight.
Not for nothing....Hussein isn't lighting up the skies either. What's he said that's so good? The middle east is exploding and he's got no answers......
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Is this question for a Democrat or a Republican?
Good point
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Ely-Manning-in-the-Fourth-Quarter Romney picking it up!
Exactly....he's doing awesome with China.
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And pretty soon BigN will be full of $H!t ;D
I'm enjoying it for now until I get home ;D
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Obama bringing up jobs?
Right....where are the "this is a foreign policy debate" police?
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Did either shitbag have the balls to talk about the Patriot Act?
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Right....where are the "this is a foreign policy debate" police?
I heard what he said.....I don't know what made him bring that up
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I like how Bob Schieffer shut down Willard's attempt to get extra time to speak. ;D
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"We have these things governor, called aircraft carriers. Planes land on them. And we also have less horses and bayonettes than we did in 1917." :D
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L-O-L @ Romney trying to spin his "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" statement. ::)
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L-O-L @ Romney trying to spin his "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" statement. ::)
Tech community/manufacturing: Obama just came out against allowing US cos to bring home foreign profits on which taxes were already paid.
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"We have these things governor, called aircraft carriers. Planes land on them. And we also have less horses and bayonettes than we did in 1917." :D
Best line of the night. ;D
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Ely-Manning-in-the-Fourth-Quarter Romney picking it up!
And then he fumbled...
Anybody who wants to be friends with somebody who doesn't want to be friends with you, is an idiot.
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Lol @ unlease
very rarely do i drink these days ;D once a month, you'll know when i've had a few merlots because i tend to Palinize completely make up words.
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Mitt not looking good tonight.
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Right....where are the "this is a foreign policy debate" police?
U mad about Romney talking about domestic issues now too, or just Obama? ::)
If you didn't think domestic issues would come up in this debate, you are a fool.
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Best line of the night. ;D
Nah...it was " 47 million on food stamps"..."U.S. $16 Trillion in debt"....
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"I think we all love teachers"
Especially pretty blonde ones that sleep with their students...
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best line from the debate
"lots of americans hate blacks so they'll vote for a retard like me".... Mitt Romney's internal voice
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i only used the n-word because romney sucks that much
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Mitt not looking good tonight.
No he really didnt. That last babble didnt help at all, but i still believe that he is far better then Obama.
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I disagree, Benny. That was sarcastic and condescending. I thought that was Obama's low point.
OF COURSE you would, "Khan." It made you butthurt and it embarrassed Romney for his nonsense about the current Navy. :D
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U mad about Romney talking about domestic issues now too, or just Obama? ::)
If you didn't think domestic issues would come up in this debate, you are a fool.
No...I knew it would.....when Romney brought it up earlier, you guys puked all over it. It's all good dude....I'm not here to argue with anyone.....
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"Washington is broken" wasn't that a tagline from the 2004 election or so?
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I always wonder one thing when an incumbant mentions how he is going to improve some shitty situation that took place during their whole reign.
-why did you not do this the last 4 years whenyou had the chance?
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"I think we all love teachers"
Especially pretty blonde ones that sleep with their students...
;D
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You win Ohio, you win the election.
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I always wonder one thing when an incumbant mentions how he is going to improve some shitty situation that took place during their whole reign.
-why did you not do this the last 4 years whenyou had the chance?
Exactly......and don't blame the last administration every chance you can.
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ABC's Matt Doud says Obama won.
I have no idea who Matt Doud is.
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You win Ohio, you win the election.
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OF COURSE you would, "Khan." It made you butthurt and it embarrassed Romney for his nonsense about the current Navy. :D
Benny B, you're incorrigible.
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best line from the debate
"lots of americans hate negroes so they'll vote for a retard like me".... Mitt Romney's internal voice
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i only used the n-word because romney sucks that much
epic mod work there
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So Obama won two out of three?
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epic mod work there
Not touched
all I see is a bunch of blue space
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Mitt should have listened to some "Beats by Jay" prior to this battle.
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Mitt should have listened to some "Beats by Jay" prior to this battle.
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DON'T STOP RETWEETING THIS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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:D :D
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"You're killing it"
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That was rather easy work for Obama.
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That was rather easy work for Obama.
I bet you are a democrat
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I bet you are a democrat
I have a Donkey flag flying out front. ;)
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Not touched
all I see is a bunch of blue space
i had used the more vulgar n-word in my post... it was edited to 'guys'
i changed it to the less vulgar n-word in my quote but left the original alone
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Romney agreed with President Obama so much on foreign policy and pretty much co-signed what the president said on most things. In total contrast to many things he's said on the campaign trail. In addition, he's a god-damn lie about letting the car companies operate under controlled bankruptcy. He said nothing like that in the past.
President Obama won this one.
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CNN just fact checked this and Romney was right,
Romney agreed with President Obama so much on foreign policy and pretty much co-signed what the president said on most things. In total contrast to many things he's said on the campaign trail. In addition, he's a god-damn lie about letting the car companies operate under controlled bankruptcy. He said nothing like that in the past.
President Obama won this one.
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Benny B, you're incorrigible.
I like that word. :D
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Mitt should have driven up in Jay's Bus, and came out wearing "Beats by Dre" headphones, while pumping some "Beats by Jay" prior to this battle.
Fixed.
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CNN just fact checked this and Romney was right,
You're correct. I fact checked it myself. I stand corrected. He did in fact state a "managed bankruptcy."
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Hmmm
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You're correct. I fact checked it myself. I stand corrected. He did in fact state a "managed bankruptcy."
How do you manage a bankruptcy and guarantee that a foreign competitor doesn't get to come in and buy the place up for cheap?
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Romney agreed with President Obama so much on foreign policy and pretty much co-signed what the president said on most things. In total contrast to many things he's said on the campaign trail. In addition, he's a god-damn lie about letting the car companies operate under controlled bankruptcy. He said nothing like that in the past.
President Obama won this one.
And, much like last week, winning this debate (assuming he actually did) will do almost nothing to reverse Obama's fortunes, especially with Romney pounding him on the economy (#1 issue in the election).
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How do you manage a bankruptcy and guarantee that a foreign competitor doesn't get to come in and buy the place up for cheap?
Good question, luckily we never got that far.
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PPP: Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45
The states covered in our swing state poll were CO, FL, MI, IA, NH, NV, NC, OH, PA, VA, and WI
http://twitter.com/ppppolls
48% say Obama, 40% say Romney. CNN poll of registered debate watchers.
www.cnn.com
CBS snap poll on debate: Obama - 53, Romney - 23, tie - 24
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Which candidate will raise the prize money for the "O"?
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also have fewer horses and bayonets
:D
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He owned that mormon ass tonight.
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:D
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wow you people have a president who lies about the murder of his own people and you support him? You deserve the shit storm that is going to hit you if you vote this guy back in - USA #1.....................NO MORE
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Honestly I think the saddest thing here is that you are so hopelessly bound to the two-party political system. Same shit, just different packaging.
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We should....those fuckers are crazy.
Crazy enough to have fractional kilo-ton yield fission bombs!
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How do you manage a bankruptcy and guarantee that a foreign competitor doesn't get to come in and buy the place up for cheap?
Or you could just give GM to Fiat...oh...wait...that was Chrysler. Obama didn't "bail out" GM....he bailed out the UAW.
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PPP: Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45
The states covered in our swing state poll were CO, FL, MI, IA, NH, NV, NC, OH, PA, VA, and WI
http://twitter.com/ppppolls
48% say Obama, 40% say Romney. CNN poll of registered debate watchers.
www.cnn.com
CBS snap poll on debate: Obama - 53, Romney - 23, tie - 24
The same CNN poll said that, when people were asked for which candidate this debate made you more likely to vote:
50% Neither
25% Romney
24% Obama
If this manifests itself in the polls, it basically means that Romney did in ONE DEBATE what Obama and Biden couldn't do in THREE: Build a wave of momentum that could carry all the way to election day.
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The Blowout in Boca
By Steve Benen
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Tue Oct 23, 2012
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Associated Press
To put in perspective who won last night's debate, consider a polling tidbit. A few weeks ago, after the first contest between President Obama and Mitt Romney, a CBS poll of undecided voters taken immediately after the event showed the Republican winning the debate by 24 points.
CBS polled undecided voters again last night, and found Obama winning this debate by 30 points.
Debate analysis is a bit like art evaluation -- not everyone sees the same thing -- but I not only thought the president excelled last night, I think Romney very nearly embarrassed himself. After six years of campaigning for the nation's highest office, asking voters to make him the leader of the free world, the former one-term governor conveyed an unnerving message to the nation in the year's final debate: he neither knows nor cares about international affairs. As a New York Times editorial noted, Romney at times "sounded like a beauty pageant contestant groping for an answer to the final question."
As best as I can tell, Romney adopted a three-pronged strategy for the event in Boca Raton, Fla.
Part One: Agree with Obama
For months, Romney, Paul Ryan, and their Republican allies have been desperate to paint Obama as pursuing a weak and misguided foreign policy. Last night, while the president was on the offensive throughout, exposing Romney's contradictions, reversals, and overall ignorance, the Republican did the opposite, playing down differences, and endorsing the president's position on everything from Afghanistan to Iranian sanctions to Syria to Egypt. In some cases this meant abandoning positions Romney has long held, and in other cases, it meant pretending his agenda isn't his agenda.
It left voters with a detached message that bordered on incoherence: Obama has a failed foreign policy ... which I intend to implement if elected.
Part Two: Change the subject
Romney had ample time to prepare to discuss foreign policy, and a team of Bush/Cheney administration officials to tell him how to at least sound like he's answering the questions, but he repeatedly tried to change the subject away from foreign policy during the debate on foreign policy. Over the course of 90 minutes, Romney mentioned Osama bin Laden twice, mentioned food stamps three times, and mentioned school teachers eight times.
Plenty of strategists have said voters will find this compelling, since domestic issues trump international affairs in 2012, but no candidate benefits from appearing weak. This was a debate in which Romney was supposed to appear ready to lead a nation during a time of war and international "tumult." Instead, Romney appeared to be running for governor, not president.
Part Three: Make stuff up
We'll explore some of the key issues in more detail as the morning progresses, but when Romney wasn't agreeing with Obama and trying to change the subject, he was relying on his signature move -- saying things that aren't true and hoping no one notices.
The president got exactly what he wanted out of this debate. He demonstrated a command of international affairs, and took Romney apart, point by point. In contrast, by the time the event was over, I wasn't at all clear what Romney even hoped to accomplish. In his closing statement at the foreign policy debate, he didn't mention foreign policy.
The larger takeaway for voters is that the Republican candidate just doesn't seem to care -- and also doesn't think he has to care.
To revisit an anecdote from the summer, I often think about this story the Wall Street Journal published.
Mr. Romney made that clear at a July fundraiser in Montana as he rehashed the challenges Mr. Reagan faced when he took office. He recounted how Mr. Baker, a former secretary of state, held a national security meeting about Latin America during the first 100 days of Mr. Reagan's presidency.
"And after the meeting, President Reagan called me in and said, 'I want no more national-security meetings over the next 100 days -- all of our time has to be focused on getting our economy going,' " Mr. Romney recalled Mr. Baker saying.
In reality, this exchange between Reagan and Baker never happened. I don't know who told Romney this or whether Romney simply made it up out of whole cloth, but Reagan dealt with plenty of national-security meetings early in his presidency -- as all presidents do.
But the anecdote, when combined with last night's debate, makes me wonder if Romney fully understands the nature of the responsibilities he's seeking.
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The Blowout in Boca
By Steve Benen
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Tue Oct 23, 2012
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Associated Press
To put in perspective who won last night's debate, consider a polling tidbit. A few weeks ago, after the first contest between President Obama and Mitt Romney, a CBS poll of undecided voters taken immediately after the event showed the Republican winning the debate by 24 points.
CBS polled undecided voters again last night, and found Obama winning this debate by 30 points.
Debate analysis is a bit like art evaluation -- not everyone sees the same thing -- but I not only thought the president excelled last night, I think Romney very nearly embarrassed himself. After six years of campaigning for the nation's highest office, asking voters to make him the leader of the free world, the former one-term governor conveyed an unnerving message to the nation in the year's final debate: he neither knows nor cares about international affairs. As a New York Times editorial noted, Romney at times "sounded like a beauty pageant contestant groping for an answer to the final question."
As best as I can tell, Romney adopted a three-pronged strategy for the event in Boca Raton, Fla.
Part One: Agree with Obama
For months, Romney, Paul Ryan, and their Republican allies have been desperate to paint Obama as pursuing a weak and misguided foreign policy. Last night, while the president was on the offensive throughout, exposing Romney's contradictions, reversals, and overall ignorance, the Republican did the opposite, playing down differences, and endorsing the president's position on everything from Afghanistan to Iranian sanctions to Syria to Egypt. In some cases this meant abandoning positions Romney has long held, and in other cases, it meant pretending his agenda isn't his agenda.
It left voters with a detached message that bordered on incoherence: Obama has a failed foreign policy ... which I intend to implement if elected.
Part Two: Change the subject
Romney had ample time to prepare to discuss foreign policy, and a team of Bush/Cheney administration officials to tell him how to at least sound like he's answering the questions, but he repeatedly tried to change the subject away from foreign policy during the debate on foreign policy. Over the course of 90 minutes, Romney mentioned Osama bin Laden twice, mentioned food stamps three times, and mentioned school teachers eight times.
Plenty of strategists have said voters will find this compelling, since domestic issues trump international affairs in 2012, but no candidate benefits from appearing weak. This was a debate in which Romney was supposed to appear ready to lead a nation during a time of war and international "tumult." Instead, Romney appeared to be running for governor, not president.
Part Three: Make stuff up
We'll explore some of the key issues in more detail as the morning progresses, but when Romney wasn't agreeing with Obama and trying to change the subject, he was relying on his signature move -- saying things that aren't true and hoping no one notices.
The president got exactly what he wanted out of this debate. He demonstrated a command of international affairs, and took Romney apart, point by point. In contrast, by the time the event was over, I wasn't at all clear what Romney even hoped to accomplish. In his closing statement at the foreign policy debate, he didn't mention foreign policy.
The larger takeaway for voters is that the Republican candidate just doesn't seem to care -- and also doesn't think he has to care.
To revisit an anecdote from the summer, I often think about this story the Wall Street Journal published.
Mr. Romney made that clear at a July fundraiser in Montana as he rehashed the challenges Mr. Reagan faced when he took office. He recounted how Mr. Baker, a former secretary of state, held a national security meeting about Latin America during the first 100 days of Mr. Reagan's presidency.
"And after the meeting, President Reagan called me in and said, 'I want no more national-security meetings over the next 100 days -- all of our time has to be focused on getting our economy going,' " Mr. Romney recalled Mr. Baker saying.
In reality, this exchange between Reagan and Baker never happened. I don't know who told Romney this or whether Romney simply made it up out of whole cloth, but Reagan dealt with plenty of national-security meetings early in his presidency -- as all presidents do.
But the anecdote, when combined with last night's debate, makes me wonder if Romney fully understands the nature of the responsibilities he's seeking.
On who folks are more likely to vote for (per CNN):
Romney - 25; Obama - 24 (Neither - 50).....so much for that "blowout" ::)
And, now it appears, he isn't quite as favorable as he once was:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/obama_romney_favorable_unfavorable.html
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This isn't a game of Battleship ;D
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He owned that mormon ass tonight.
As if it matters!!
Romney did more in the first debate than Obama did in two.
Romney's been riding high, since Denver. And Obama hasn't done JACK to stop the bleeding.
Let's see: Gallup has Romney up 51-46; Rasmussen, 50-46.
An incumbent president, in the mid-40s, two weeks before election day......So much for all that so-called owning. ::)
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The people in order to form a more perfect union.
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The people in order to form a more perfect union.
^^^^^
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Let's see: Gallup has Romney up 51-46; Rasmussen, 50-46.
national polls don't matter. swing states do.
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As if it matters!!
Romney did more in the first debate than Obama did in two.
Romney's been riding high, since Denver. And Obama hasn't done JACK to stop the bleeding.
Let's see: Gallup has Romney up 51-46; Rasmussen, 50-46.
An incumbent president, in the mid-40s, two weeks before election day......So much for all that so-called owning. ::)
Doesn't it bother you that Romney's god comes from a different planet?
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Obama "won on points" (::)) but Romney "passed the commander-in-chief" test (::)).
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Doesn't anyone realize that Romney is backed by Sheldon Aldelson. He made $25 billion during the Obama administration. He made more money than any other American during the last 4 years yet he is spending about a billion to get Robney in. Robney will be his puppet. If Romney win's this will actually be your president:
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Doesn't it bother you that Romney's god comes from a different planet?
NOPE!
One, because that's hardly the case.
Two, as Mike Huckabee put it, Of the four people on the two tickets, the only self-professed evangelical is Barack Obama. And he supports:
- Changing the definition of marriage
- Believes that human life is disposable and expendable, at any time in the womb, even beyond the womb.
- And, he tells people of faith that they have to bow their knees to the god of government and violate their faith and conscience, in order to comply with what he calls healthcare.
Somehow, that Mormon guy doesn't seem so bad, after all.
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You say Obama wants to change the meaning of marriage yet Mormons believe in multiple wives. Doesn't make sense
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Doesn't anyone realize that Romney is backed by Sheldon Aldelson. He made $25 billion during the Obama administration. He made more money than any other American during the last 4 years yet he is spending about a billion to get Robney in. Robney will be his puppet. If Romney win's this will actually be your president:
Oh I'm pretty sure these lads beg to differ.
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You say Obama wants to change the meaning of marriage yet Mormons believe in multiple wives. Doesn't make sense
Mormons dropped polygamy long ago. Even with that, you still have marriage involving the union of MALE and FEMALE.
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cheese union
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national polls don't matter. swing states do.
They both matter. With that said, I've mentioned several times the shift in the EC maps on both RCP and Rasmussen.
206-201, Romney on RCP. 237-235, Obama on Rasmussen. Prior to debate 1, Obama was up 265-191 on RCP and 237-191 on Rasmussen.
As for national polls. It's been about a week and a half; yet Romney is still over 50% in Gallup. No challenger has ever lost when he was over 50% in mid-October. Not to mention, no incumbent has ever been re-elected when he's been under 50% in mid-September.
An incumbent president in the mid-40s, with two weeks to go, is in BIIIIIIIIIGGGGGG TROUBLE!!
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Barack Obama
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We're Still Relevant!!!
President Barack Obama has offended the bayonet community ... TMZ has learned.
TMZ spoke with multiple people in the bayonet industry who tell us they were shocked and even offended when Obama brought up the weapon during last night's debate.
FYI -- Obama was going after Romney when he said, "You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed."
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According to the official U.S. Marine Corps website, every Marine is STILL required to complete a bayonet training program ... because "the weapon becomes just as effective [as a rifle] in close combat situations."
We spoke with Dan Riker from Bayonet Inc. -- a leading military surplus outlet that specializes in bayonets -- who tells us he believes Obama's comment was "ignorant ... because our soldiers still use bayonets."
He adds, “[Bayonets] are still distributed to the military all the time -- he should get educated on it”
For the record, Riker says he won't be voting for Obama ... "and I didn't vote for him last election either."
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also have fewer horses and bayonets
:D
IRONY IS....when they carried the casket of the Libyan prime minister they did it on horseback and the solders indeed had bayonets on their guns...
How is that for irony
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As if it matters!!
Romney did more in the first debate than Obama did in two.
Romney's been riding high, since Denver. And Obama hasn't done JACK to stop the bleeding.
Let's see: Gallup has Romney up 51-46; Rasmussen, 50-46.
An incumbent president, in the mid-40s, two weeks before election day......So much for all that so-called owning. ::)
Your math:1>2,, good luck :D
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He adds, “[Bayonets] are still distributed to the military all the time -- he should get educated on it”
For the record, Riker says he won't be voting for Obama ... "and I didn't vote for him last election either."
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Obama say "fewer" bayonets.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Obama say "fewer" bayonets.
Yup
Another great Obama line last night: "The 1980's called, it wants its foreign policy back" ;D
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Doesn't anyone realize that Romney is backed by Sheldon Aldelson. He made $25 billion during the Obama administration. He made more money than any other American during the last 4 years yet he is spending about a billion to get Robney in. Robney will be his puppet. If Romney win's this will actually be your president:
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Looks about 400 years, maybe his wisdom will guide us into a better future.
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Yup
Another great Obama line last night: "The 1980's called, it wants its foreign policy back" ;D
Just another one of his sophomore-ish statements that he was wrong on.
Romney pointed out that although he said Russia is the top geo-political foe, he called Iran the largest security threat and that is correct.
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USMC love our bayonets. I was really laughing at the horses part. :D
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Your math:1>2,, good luck :D
You make the rather erroneous assumption that each debate was a total reset, with no carryover from the previous ones.
When that one debate is about the NUMBER ONE ISSUE in this election in which Romney blew Obama away, liberals clucking about winning two debates that, in the end, have done ZILCH to move Obama's numbers is quite comical.
Rasmussen: Romney up 50-46; Gallup: 51-45.
But Obama won two debates.....GOOD LUCK with that. ;D
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How does one make 25 Billion in four years?
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How does one make 25 Billion in four years?
By printing it.
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I feel Obama won the debate, and I want Romney to win so much so, that if he doesn't Im pulling my USA investments, as Obamas answer to everything is print more money, which devalues everything especially to any investor from outside the USA as your dollar is practically worthless, but hey comrade, it makes those overseas goods more expensive and gives the US an opportunity to get back in the game in some industries, but their system of capitalism along with democracy is doomed to fail, The asian century is upon us and each year the USA loses a little more of its global economic power, which is a shame as I feel it still represented the best version of opportunity to most, but what do you expect when the poor vote is counted even though it is the consequence of that vote is the actual cause of global debt, but in 2012 that represents fairness, somewhere in the future a global leader will have to say to hell with this type of fairness, sadly he wont be white black or caucasian, more likely yellow with funny eyes, Capitalism eventually becomes communism, the Chinese are playing the winning hand.
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You make the rather erroneous assumption that each debate was a total reset, with no carryover from the previous ones.
When that one debate is about the NUMBER ONE ISSUE in this election in which Romney blew Obama away, liberals clucking about winning two debates that, in the end, have done ZILCH to move Obama's numbers is quite comical.
Rasmussen: Romney up 50-46; Gallup: 51-45.
But Obama won two debates.....GOOD LUCK with that. ;D
It takes a few days to see the effects of a debate....the big issue with Romney is that he has to hold on to the states slightly in his favor AND get Ohio in his bracket.....
If he doesn't get it, he loses....if he loses one of his leaning states, he loses....and with a race this close, the final debate really mattered and he just got beat up pretty badly. He'll need to run a barrage of attack ads
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It takes a few days to see the effects of a debate....the big issue with Romney is that he has to hold on to the states slightly in his favor AND get Ohio in his bracket.....
If he doesn't get it, he loses....if he loses one of his leaning states, he loses....and with a race this close, the final debate really mattered and he just got beat up pretty badly. He'll need to run a barrage of attack ads
You also said Romney made a big mistake after the first debate - how did that turn out. People are sick of attack ads and are seeing through the gimmicks of one liners in place of substance. I'm not saying the election is lost, but the recent poll trends should paint a clear picture that what you're spouting is drivel.
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It takes a few days to see the effects of a debate....the big issue with Romney is that he has to hold on to the states slightly in his favor AND get Ohio in his bracket.....
If he doesn't get it, he loses....if he loses one of his leaning states, he loses....and with a race this close, the final debate really mattered and he just got beat up pretty badly. He'll need to run a barrage of attack ads
The debate was on foreign policy, hardly the top priority of the American people. Even those in the polls and focus groups, who said Obama won the debate, declared the economy is TOP DOG in this election and Romney beats Obama COLD on that one.
At the rate this is going, Romney can win without Ohio. Wisconsin and New Hampshire have 14 EC votes combined. While less than Ohio's 18, it's enough to put Romney over the top if he gets to 256 with the other states.
He's at 206 right now in RCP. Florida and Virginia are going his way. That would put him at 248. Colorado is trending Romney. IF he gets that, it puts Romney at 257. This means that Ohio or the WI-NH combo gets him to 270 and the win.
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The debate was on foreign policy, hardly the top priority of the American people. Even those in the polls and focus groups, who said Obama won the debate, declared the economy is TOP DOG in this election and Romney beats Obama COLD on that one.
At the rate this is going, Romney can win without Ohio. Wisconsin and New Hampshire have 14 EC votes combined. While less than Ohio's 18, it's enough to put Romney over the top if he gets to 256 with the other states.
He's at 206 right now in RCP. Florida and Virginia are going his way. That would put him at 248. Colorado is trending Romney. IF he gets that, it puts Romney at 257. This means that Ohio or the WI-NH combo gets him to 270 and the win.
Romney has no staff in Wis so he's not winning that one and its unlikely that he'll win New Hampshire or Virginia.....his only chance is Ohio and that's not looking really good right now....the big thing is that his lead in other battlegrounds are razor thin so he'll have to divert resources to maintain them.
As far as the debate is concerned, people don't really care about the topic....its just a debate and with the race running so close you don't want to screw up. Romney didn't do himself any favors last night. He has very few paths to victory and way too many paths to losing.
The real loser is everyone...regardless of who gets the office, we are seriously fucked....Romney is the worse contender ever.....anyone competent could have wrapped this shit up already
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Romney has no staff in Wis so he's not winning that one and its unlikely that he'll win New Hampshire or Virginia.....his only chance is Ohio and that's not looking really good right now....the big thing is that his lead in other battlegrounds are razor thin so he'll have to divert resources to maintain them.
As far as the debate is concerned, people don't really care about the topic....its just a debate and with the race running so close you don't want to screw up. Romney didn't do himself any favors last night. He has very few paths to victory and way too many paths to losing.
The real loser is everyone...regardless of who gets the office, we are seriously fucked....Romney is the worse contender ever.....anyone competent could have wrapped this shit up already
Who is this posting? There's no way in hell it's Vince.
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You also said Romney made a big mistake after the first debate - how did that turn out. People are sick of attack ads and are seeing through the gimmicks of one liners in place of substance. I'm not saying the election is lost, but the recent poll trends should paint a clear picture that what you're spouting is drivel.
He did and he ended up having to backtrack them in addition with conflicting with Ryan's speeches he's made.....Romney only won one debate....Ryan and Biden tied....and Obama took the other 2. Ultimately, it doesn't make either side cross the line but its always good to get the last laugh
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He did and he ended up having to backtrack them in addition with conflicting with Ryan's speeches he's made.....Romney only won one debate....Ryan and Biden tied....and Obama took the other 2. Ultimately, it doesn't make either side cross the line but its always good to get the last laugh
Identify yourself good sir and be recognized.
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Romney has no staff in Wis so he's not winning that one and its unlikely that he'll win New Hampshire or Virginia.....his only chance is Ohio and that's not looking really good right now....the big thing is that his lead in other battlegrounds are razor thin so he'll have to divert resources to maintain them.
As far as the debate is concerned, people don't really care about the topic....its just a debate and with the race running so close you don't want to screw up. Romney didn't do himself any favors last night. He has very few paths to victory and way too many paths to losing.
The real loser is everyone...regardless of who gets the office, we are seriously fucked....Romney is the worse contender ever.....anyone competent could have wrapped this shit up already
Obama's lead in both NH and Wisconsin is shrinking almost daily and Ohio ain't quite going the president's way either.
Obviously, Ohio is plan A for Team Romney; but the combo of Wisconisin and NH is a attainable plan B.
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Obama's lead in both NH and Wisconsin is shrinking almost daily and Ohio ain't quite going the president's way either.
Obviously, Ohio is plan A for Team Romney; but the combo of Wisconisin and NH is a attainable plan B.
Did you not pay attention what I said...
1. Romney pulled out of Wisconsin last month....no staff whatsoever.....they've already conceded Wisconsin. All number point to Obama...Romney has no lead or even a tie in any polls...making getting New Hampshire of no use although I don't see him winning that neither
2. Ohio is Romney's only hope but there's no poll showing Romney in any lead in Ohio. They are all Obama...won't change neither at this point.
3. Romney has to divert resources to maintain his razor thin leads in other states....if he loses just one of those states, Ohio won't make any difference.
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Did you not pay attention what I said...
1. Romney pulled out of Wisconsin last month....no staff whatsoever.....they've already conceded Wisconsin. All number point to Obama...Romney has no lead or even a tie in any polls...making getting New Hampshire of no use although I don't see him winning that neither
Romney does have staff there (or, at the very least, they'll be on their way back). Ryan is eyeing his home state and says he feels very good about their chances there. The polls are tight and it's a viable option.
2. Ohio is Romney's only hope but there's no poll showing Romney in any lead in Ohio. They are all Obama...won't change neither at this point.
Hardly!! Suffolk polling has it tied at 47; Rasmussen has Obama up just one....a significant DROP from where it was just a few weeks back. Obama's RCP average lead is less than 2 points. And you know that, in a essentially tied race, the undecideds go for the challenger, not the incumbent.
If that tradition holds true, Romney wins that state 51-48, at least.
3. Romney has to divert resources to maintain his razor thin leads in other states....if he loses just one of those states, Ohio won't make any difference.
Romney is on the brink of locking up North Carolina. Florida and Virginia are pulling away for Romney as well. IF anyone has to divert funds to protect razor thin leads, it's Obama, not Romney.
Romney has PLENTY of resources; Obama, on the other hand, is bleeding cash like a stuck pick ($20+ million in the red).
And he's up in New Hampshire, according to a recent ARG poll. Like Wisconsin, Obama's average RCP lead is less than 2 (under a point and a half, at last check).
These (and other states) being up for grabs this late spell BAD NEWS for Obama. If Romney grabs Wisconsin, Colorado, and NH, he can win the election WITHOUT Ohio.
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USMC love our bayonets.
Fuck yeah we do.
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Just another one of his sophomore-ish statements that he was wrong on.
Romney pointed out that although he said Russia is the top geo-political foe, he called Iran the largest security threat and that is correct.
Actually I thought it was quite appropriate... Especially considering how the only Communist country is the Chinese.
So it does have some merit.
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Kind of dumb to downplay the role of the navy given the importance of VA to his re-election. Odd that he would pick on horses given the new monument near ground zero that was dedicated earlier that day...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/horse-soldier-near-world-trade-center-afghanistan_n_2000861.html
#notoptimal
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Romney does have staff there (or, at the very least, they'll be on their way back). Ryan is eyeing his home state and says he feels very good about their chances there. The polls are tight and it's a viable option.
Hardly!! Suffolk polling has it tied at 47; Rasmussen has Obama up just one....a significant DROP from where it was just a few weeks back. Obama's RCP average lead is less than 2 points. And you know that, in a essentially tied race, the undecideds go for the challenger, not the incumbent.
If that tradition holds true, Romney wins that state 51-48, at least.
Romney is on the brink of locking up North Carolina. Florida and Virginia are pulling away for Romney as well. IF anyone has to divert funds to protect razor thin leads, it's Obama, not Romney.
Romney has PLENTY of resources; Obama, on the other hand, is bleeding cash like a stuck pick ($20+ million in the red).
And he's up in New Hampshire, according to a recent ARG poll. Like Wisconsin, Obama's average RCP lead is less than 2 (under a point and a half, at last check).
These (and other states) being up for grabs this late spell BAD NEWS for Obama. If Romney grabs Wisconsin, Colorado, and NH, he can win the election WITHOUT Ohio.
The DNC is in the red....The Obama Campaign has plenty of cash and is using it to help the DNC
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The real loser is everyone...regardless of who gets the office, we are seriously fucked....Romney is the worse contender ever.....anyone competent could have wrapped this shit up already
The Republican party is really in a sad state right now. This is an election they should be running away with, and yet this is the best campaign and the best candidate they can field.
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The Republican party is really in a sad state right now. This is an election they should be running away with, and yet this is the best campaign and the best candidate they can field.
tea party is over. Period. no rallies in 2012 like they had in 2010. Their incumbents are having a problem now. Senate remaining dem.
Romney is a brutal underachiever - barely beat softies like santorum and newt. Should be cruising on obama, given the fact we're in a Depression and obamacare was shoved down our throat. Very sad time in american history. It should be Jeb/Christie battling with Hilary/Powell or something right now. In a perfect world.
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Yes I hear Michelle Backman is about to receive a savage buttfucking from some guy I've never heard of.