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(created and life) are human terminology... the true meanings of those words are undoubtably far removed because man labled it
think of all the chemicals , food ect that can effect us in all ways , everything seems to have a documentable unique reaction
iif its not gods fault ,then its all a "computer program" would be just as strong of an argument to explain all these things falling into place.
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Sit tight. A cure for Autism is right around the corner.
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Sit tight. A cure for Autism is right around the corner.
concentrate on my post wimp!
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(created and life) are human terminology... the true meanings of those words are undoubtably far removed because man labled it
think of all the chemicals , food ect that can effect us in all ways , everything seems to have a documentable unique reaction
iif its not gods fault ,then its all a "computer program" would be just as strong of an argument to explain all these things falling into place.
In speaking with people who are religious, they seem to universally believe that God created the universe but lets it run, leaves it alone and doesn't interfere.
Where did all of this come from is a reasonable question.
But where then did God come from would also be a legitimate question.
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In speaking with people who are religious, they seem to universally believe that God created the universe but lets it run, leaves it alone and doesn't interfere.
Where did all of this come from is a reasonable question.
But where then did God come from would also be a legitimate question.
it may be a god that doesnt use our social logic
if u remove human designed social constructs which lead us down wrong paths understanding what and where god is was, youre left with atoms n chemicals all of wich are on emf spectrum...going with an atom or chemical logic , you have a chance of knowing
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But it is impossible to not think as a human thinks... for obvious reasons.
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But it is impossible to not think as a human thinks... for obvious reasons.
yes think like a human ofcourse but u gotta observe things without language and more visually, you are limited by perspective. the more perspectives u take the more doors that open...also just take many narrow perspectives let them build on each other in a quest to get the bigger picture.. ye who has faith in least has in most
study life by your own terms.
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Any attempt to anthropomorphize "God" simply prove that the one making the attempt is mentally unsuited to discuss objective reality, it takes real fortitude to stare existence in the face and accept it for what it is and isn't. The Universe is likely a self solving mathematical equation that periodically destroys and creates itself, big bang after big bang, eon after eon, ad infinitum.
We "exist" at this moment in time as an ocean wave "exists" for a moment before being reabsorbed by it's matrix , never to be reassembled in that particular alignment of particles and energies again. We are also about as separate from the Universe (or "The All") as a wave is from the ocean, yet we spend most of our time and energy attempting to deny this (Ego anyone?).
Hundreds of thousands of years ago our hominid ancestors likely mistook the inner dialogue of a bi-cameral brain for an exterior "voice", and by the time we get to the iron age - schizophrenia had become a legitimate human condition as evidenced by Abraham's claims of hearing voices telling him to kill his son.
There is no real point to life beyond what you give it, life will continue to evolve with or without you, and eventually without mankind altogether as our sun burns out, rendering the species extinct. Of course we could always put aside our silly religions , borders, races and hatred of polka and come together finding a way to the stars - but we won't....
Ultimately? the void - for everybody irrespective of intelligence, superstition or "belief"...
Hope this helps.
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On the more optimistic side, as humans we are privileged to see it, and wonder, and study. Also of course we have the ability to create.
As my father used to say, "If you have something you want to do, you'd better get to it".
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mans curse is that we have been given the intelligence of reason and logic to contemplate the existence of a God, but not the wisdom to ever find out the solution to it.
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Well they can rewind everything right back to something like a nanosecond AFTER the big bang.
They can't get to zero though.
The simulation theory doesn't sound half bad. There was nothing....then someone hit 'New Game' and suddenly we were all here.
Quantum mechanics and the whole maths side seems to favour a simulation.
Remove God and replace that with formulas and suddenly you have a game to play that gives you choice instead of 'God's Will'.
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when it come to the big questions i turn to the msg board of getbig for answer.
its very likely that people who push dumbbells and struggle with separating egg yolk and egg white knows best.
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mans curse is that we have been given the intelligence of reason and logic to contemplate the existence of a God, but not the wisdom to ever find out the solution to it.
good post but i have the wisdom
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when it come to the big questions i turn to the msg board of getbig for answer.
its very likely that people who push dumbbells and struggle with separating egg yolk and egg white knows best.
yest most people never decided to seperate an egg white yet a bodybuilder cums the quickest to this idea. he is ahead of the game
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In speaking with people who are religious, they seem to universally believe that God created the universe but lets it run, leaves it alone and doesn't interfere.
Where did all of this come from is a reasonable question.
But where then did God come from would also be a legitimate question.
That is a mind-numbing question, how can something exist which was never created but has existed for eternity?
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I think the deal is that you can't calculate backward or forward without error because the universe isn't strictly mechanistic in the Newtonian physics sense. There's chaos and probability which is what quantum mechanics tries to tackle. The multiverse theory says that the reality we inhabit is constantly diverging from other realities.
I don't know anything about such matters but I thought Coherence was a fun film.
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That is a mind-numbing question, how can something exist which was never created but has existed for eternity?
Just one of many mind-blowing things to consider.
Like, what if we were coeval with God? Or at least, the elements of which our souls are made, which our Father organized and gave life to, in much the same way that a baby's body is formed in the womb from the elements of the Earth. And what if God operates outside of this temporal dimension in which we currently find ourselves? Scientists tell us in our sphere of existence time and space are inseparable, which is why they call it 'space-time'. But what if for God, every time (past, present, future) is 'now' and every place is 'here'? Mind-blowing stuff which we cannot wrap our temporal minds around.
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there are no such thing as solids
Everything is free flowing atoms and molecules...
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there are no such thing as solids
Everything is free flowing atoms and molecules...
Yeah but then there's a thing called the "strong nuclear force." And it's strong enough to hurt your fist if you try punching a hole through your wall or the top of your desk.
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you all talk about the Christian God. God as a concept has been around in many different mutations.
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You are already very much a "God" if compared to the first hominids , if the species manages another hundred thousand years without extinction - a human born in 120,000 AD will seem very much like a "God" compared to us.
One might find a brief study of Gottfried Leibniz's "The Monadology" enlightening if one is able to put away childish superstitions and consider existence from a rational perspective. Also, If one is able to grasp the "divinity" implicit in Euler's formula - one begins to understand that Zero is far from nothing, it is EVERYTHING , unpotentiated infinity in fact. If one were to connect the dots between the two (as many in Ontological Maths and Physics are currently doing in such brilliant fashion), one just might get a glimpse into how far off the concept of a "God" as imagined by mankind likely is.
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it may be a god that doesnt use our social logic
if u remove human designed social constructs which lead us down wrong paths understanding what and where god is was, youre left with atoms n chemicals all of wich are on emf spectrum...going with an atom or chemical logic , you have a chance of knowing
Tried 'chemical logic' for years. A helluva lot of fun, but no shattering insights unfortunately... :(
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Any attempt to anthropomorphize "God" simply prove that the one making the attempt is mentally unsuited to discuss objective reality, it takes real fortitude to stare existence in the face and accept it for what it is and isn't. The Universe is likely a self solving mathematical equation that periodically destroys and creates itself, big bang after big bang, eon after eon, ad infinitum.
We "exist" at this moment in time as an ocean wave "exists" for a moment before being reabsorbed by it's matrix , never to be reassembled in that particular alignment of particles and energies again. We are also about as separate from the Universe (or "The All") as a wave is from the ocean, yet we spend most of our time and energy attempting to deny this (Ego anyone?).
Hundreds of thousands of years ago our hominid ancestors likely mistook the inner dialogue of a bi-cameral brain for an exterior "voice", and by the time we get to the iron age - schizophrenia had become a legitimate human condition as evidenced by Abraham's claims of hearing voices telling him to kill his son.
There is no real point to life beyond what you give it, life will continue to evolve with or without you, and eventually without mankind altogether as our sun burns out, rendering the species extinct. Of course we could always put aside our silly religions , borders, races and hatred of polka and come together finding a way to the stars - but we won't....
Ultimately? the void - for everybody irrespective of intelligence, superstition or "belief"...
Hope this helps.
Good stuff (especially your point about polka). But I have to tell you that quite involuntarily I found myself reading the first part in the voice of The Architect from The Matrix, and the second part in the voice of Bill Hicks... go figure... :)
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god is super real, all of reality demonstrates a creator, evolution is nonsense and jesus is your only way to avoid hell. hell is unpleasant.
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hell is unpleasant.
Hell = Imagine the worst panic attack claustrophobic feeling, combined with feeling every single hurt you caused someone else, completely isolated and alone and that feeling ...it lasts for eternity.
That is hell
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when it come to the big questions i turn to the msg board of getbig for answer.
its very likely that people who push dumbbells and struggle with separating egg yolk and egg white knows best.
LOL!
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(created and life) are human terminology... the true meanings of those words are undoubtably far removed because man labled it
think of all the chemicals , food ect that can effect us in all ways , everything seems to have a documentable unique reaction
iif its not gods fault ,then its all a "computer program" would be just as strong of an argument to explain all these things falling into place.
But Tesla was not believer ::)
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Tesla
tesla got this exactly right
'The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power.'
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"There is no conflict between the ideal of religion and the ideal of science, but science is opposed to theological dogmas because science is founded on fact. To me, the universe is simply a great machine which never came into being and never will end. The human being is no exception to the natural order. Man, like the universe, is a machine. Nothing enters our minds or determines our actions which is not directly or indirectly a response to stimuli beating upon our sense organs from without. Owing to the similarity of our construction and the sameness of our environment, we respond in like manner to similar stimuli, and from the concordance of our reactions, understanding is born. In the course of ages, mechanisms of infinite complexity are developed, but what we call "soul " or "spirit," is nothing more than the sum of the functionings of the body. When this functioning ceases, the "soul" or the "spirit" ceases likewise." Tesla
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There is no creation because there is no such thing as time. It's a man made construct...There are no calenders or clocks in nature...just cycles that repeat indefinetly.....They never began...they wont end..just change forms and sequences. The Universe expands and contracts...the "Big bang" has happened forever....the Universe contracts then another big bang and it starts expanding again...and on and on and on...Contract, expand.....No beginning no end.
We do not have the intellect to understand such abstract thought but future more evolved beings will.
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Best thread going right now. 8)
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Any attempt to anthropomorphize "God" simply prove that the one making the attempt is mentally unsuited to discuss objective reality, it takes real fortitude to stare existence in the face and accept it for what it is and isn't. The Universe is likely a self solving mathematical equation that periodically destroys and creates itself, big bang after big bang, eon after eon, ad infinitum.
We "exist" at this moment in time as an ocean wave "exists" for a moment before being reabsorbed by it's matrix , never to be reassembled in that particular alignment of particles and energies again. We are also about as separate from the Universe (or "The All") as a wave is from the ocean, yet we spend most of our time and energy attempting to deny this (Ego anyone?).
Hundreds of thousands of years ago our hominid ancestors likely mistook the inner dialogue of a bi-cameral brain for an exterior "voice", and by the time we get to the iron age - schizophrenia had become a legitimate human condition as evidenced by Abraham's claims of hearing voices telling him to kill his son.
There is no real point to life beyond what you give it, life will continue to evolve with or without you, and eventually without mankind altogether as our sun burns out, rendering the species extinct. Of course we could always put aside our silly religions , borders, races and hatred of polka and come together finding a way to the stars - but we won't....
Ultimately? the void - for everybody irrespective of intelligence, superstition or "belief"...
Hope this helps.
Wow. Thanks for this.
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Hell = Imagine the worst panic attack claustrophobic feeling, combined with feeling every single hurt you caused someone else, completely isolated and alone and that feeling ...it lasts for eternity.
That is hell
Sounds like the pain of a brutal set of squats. But then, with time, you adapt, and then the same once-a-challenge becomes manageable.
And then you’re boss.
So it’s cool. With a few sessions of hell, I’ll rule that retard place.
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The universe never began and it’ll never end.
Nothing was TRULY “created”, ever.
But aliens created us. As we create shit.
Heavy metal is the music of the human white male.
Naked females kick ass.
This is about all I know.
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when we die we gotta exist forever as a bodyless soul, this life is preperation
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I hope that wherever we go, it is better than this dump.
And I'd like to think that people who have done horrible things here, behaved badly, hurt others, etc. face a price to pay when it is all said and done.
Personally, I don't think there is anything after this.
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I personally am of the belief that we live in a continuously-looping and out-of-control computer program.
I know how to code in some programming languages and there seem to be too many coincidences in how we think and how things happen to how logical code is laid out: looping/if-then-else/while-do.
The whole existence model seems... I don't know, too narrowed down from a truly existential point of view: Three spacial dimensions and a time dimension. All these things seem "normal" to us because the time/space continuum is the jail we have been allowed to exist in but, in real theoretical terms, the universe can have infinite dimensions. The issue would be we would not have the perceptual tools to make sense of it.
Forget about time though... time is a distortion that is only valuable to understand when the energy takes the capricious form of you (being born) and when it chooses to move on to something else (dying).
Black holes don't give a fuck about the present, the past and the future. To black holes, time is nothing but a fart in the middle of a hurricane.
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when we die we gotta exist forever as a bodyless soul, this life is preperation
Exactly..
We are just spirits on a human experience.. not humans on a spiritual one
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Any attempt to anthropomorphize "God" simply prove that the one making the attempt is mentally unsuited to discuss objective reality, it takes real fortitude to stare existence in the face and accept it for what it is and isn't. The Universe is likely a self solving mathematical equation that periodically destroys and creates itself, big bang after big bang, eon after eon, ad infinitum.
We "exist" at this moment in time as an ocean wave "exists" for a moment before being reabsorbed by it's matrix , never to be reassembled in that particular alignment of particles and energies again. We are also about as separate from the Universe (or "The All") as a wave is from the ocean, yet we spend most of our time and energy attempting to deny this (Ego anyone?).
Hundreds of thousands of years ago our hominid ancestors likely mistook the inner dialogue of a bi-cameral brain for an exterior "voice", and by the time we get to the iron age - schizophrenia had become a legitimate human condition as evidenced by Abraham's claims of hearing voices telling him to kill his son.
There is no real point to life beyond what you give it, life will continue to evolve with or without you, and eventually without mankind altogether as our sun burns out, rendering the species extinct. Of course we could always put aside our silly religions , borders, races and hatred of polka and come together finding a way to the stars - but we won't....
Ultimately? the void - for everybody irrespective of intelligence, superstition or "belief"...
Hope this helps.
Blah, blah, bullshit. ::) ::) ::)
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Where do we come from ? If science helped humanity, science is helpless when it comes to answer to this question. Big bang etc are just pure hypothese, validated by nothing but the willpower of scientist to explain everything by science.
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Ronnie was better than Dorian.
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Best thread in Getbig-history.
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The original turd was black. Fack! Then, everything everywhere turned to shit.
Scientists like to call the emptiness of space, "dark matter". Why? Because they had a slow day and needed a press release (Hollyweird "stars" do this all the time) to seem relevant. John used to call it "doesn't matter". Why? Cuz it's nothing more than a stupid guess at a topic no one gives a black shit about.
Wiggs likes to say that god is black and therefor Jesus was black. The first part only makes sense if you take into account that after impregnating Sheniqualaysia ("Mary" is a whitey construct name), god was never seen again.
No one knows what is waiting for any of us. Least of all Wiggs and his earf be flat 'n' sheit way of life.
Otherwise, this is a good thread!
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Where do we come from ? If science helped humanity, science is helpless when it comes to answer to this question. Big bang etc are just pure hypothese, validated by nothing but the willpower of scientist to explain everything by science.
you really believe this? I mean really, that scientist come to these theories because they really want to, not because it is the most likely right answer given the available data?
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Funniest thing I have seen in ages is fervent anti-anything-religious physicist Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about the concept of a three dimensional time dimension in which people would have access to the future, the past and the present all at the same time. He's so fanatically anti-religion that he forgets to mention the fact that this is hardly a new concept, and that he is basically talking about a notion that is and has been discussed in religious circles for many millennium: omnipresence.
I am as anti-anything religious as the next guy but deGrasse takes to an irrational level.
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all of reality demonstrates a creator
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Gooks Suck
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Funniest thing I have seen in ages is fervent anti-anything-religious physicist Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about the concept of a three dimensional time dimension in which people would have access to the future, the past and the present all at the same time. He's so fanatically anti-religion that he forgets to mention the fact that this is hardly a new concept, and that he is basically talking about a notion that is and has been discussed in religious circles for many millennium: omnipresence.
I am as anti-anything religious as the next guy but deGrasse takes to an irrational level.
Link?
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Gooks Suck
sorry your life is this miserable
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Link?
I have no links but I have seen the buttwipe in question be a buttwipe toward Christians and the Nazarene. Fuck DeAssee. He may well be a nice guy in person, but I have my doubts. I am certain he would say the same about me. Nah. He's much too smart for someone like me to speak with. ;D
But there's nothing unusual about that, LOL!
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I have no links but I have seen the buttwipe in question be a buttwipe toward Christians and the Nazarene. Fuck DeAssee. He may well be a nice guy in person, but I have my doubts. I am certain he would say the same about me. Nah. He's much too smart for someone like me to speak with. ;D
But there's nothing unusual about that, LOL!
:)
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I sometimes wonder if the next evolutionary step in human development is a branching off of those unable to "believe" in stuff on "faith" , from those more prone to superstition and "believing".
The Homo rationalis from the Homo stultus if you will.
I also wonder if at some point the Homo Rationalis would seek to delete the other branch, so as to prevent the extermination of the species through religious wars and hate based ideologies.
I suppose this would probably be perceived by the superstitious as fulfillment of end time prophecies, so of course homo stultus would not likely agree with the necessity of their demise.
This thread alone seems to indicate that there are two basic "types" of human, thinkers vs feelers, logical vs superstitious, free thinker vs follower, self-directed vs other-directed, and on it goes.
"Belief is the death of intelligence." Robert Anton Wilson
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I sometimes wonder if the next evolutionary step in human development is a branching off of those unable to "believe" in stuff on "faith" , from those more prone to superstition and "believing" - the Homo rationalis from the Homo stultus if you will.
I also wonder if at some point the Homo Rationalis would seek to delete the other branch so as to prevent the extermination of the species through religious wars and hate based ideologies. I suppose this would probably be perceived by the superstitious as fulfillment of end time prophecies, so of course homo stultus would not likely agree with the necessity of their demise.
This thread alone seems to indicate that there are two basic "types" of human, thinkers vs feelers, logical vs superstitious, free thinkers vs other-directed, etc.
There are those who will always think one way and even if proof is set in front of them they will not change their minds' but as a whole race we are all those things you mentioned we all need to think feel use logic and reason... As a believer in god or a higher power I still question everything and that's ok it being open minded..some would theorize that another race from space created us and created our genes could be if you'' THINK ABOUT IT'' we cannot be so foolish to think we are the only life forms in this entire infinite space we live in'' LOGIC'' says were not alone.
Or there is a god a who created us we didn't evolve from monkeys or from tiny micro organisms that's where you ''FEEL'' your faith ..
The bible wasn't written on a whim and it wasn't even a bible until all the people who wrote it put it together it was written by those who walked with jesus and those who followed him it wasn't the work of on man it was the work and written accounts of what they saw and also the teachings that jesus gave to them only after his death many years later were all those notes put together to become the bible so there has to be truth in it no way all these people created a lie ...
Many people contributed to the writing of the Bible. In fact, the Bible is a diverse collection of writings from about 40 main contributors—30 in the Old Testament and 10 in the New Testament.
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God created evolution ....
so both sides are wrong
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God created evolution ....
so both sides are wrong
1, In some way yes created destroyed started again...
2, no one is really wrong its just not fully understood at this point lots of theory we will know more when we pass on and our souls or spirit or essence moves on...
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God created evolution ....
so both sides are wrong
If everything was created and had a beginning...when was God created? How old is he? If the answer was that he was always here...then what was he doing before he created everything? Must have been pretty bored.
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If everything was created and had a beginning...when was God created? How old is he? If the answer was that he was always here...then what was he doing before he created everything? Must have been pretty bored.
No one knows the answer to that question we are led to believe god is a mystical being well "who knows" nobody. one day we will know be it a man or woman or a other entity but we are not alone. I choose to believe some do not and that's ok
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This is 2018 and I'm in a "dialogue" with someone using the bible as "evidence" ......I will politely (and respectfully) rest my case.
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This is 2018 and I'm in a "dialogue" with someone using the bible as "evidence" ......I will politely (and respectfully) rest my case.
No im not pushing anything as evidence its personal reasoning no one is right or wrong and the minute you point the finger and say im right and you're wrong then you have already lost because you then prove you have CLOSED MIND...
The year 2018 or the beginning of time has nothing to do with it...there is so much we will never understand nor could our brains comprehend.
I will end with this we post everything bad that goes on in the world and it out weighs the good we as a race that means every corner of the earth its sick what happens all over so think about this if we all tried to follow the teachings of the bible there would be no war no hatred no murder no need for guns or weapons of destruction. This earth would truly be an oasis so with that being said is the bible and what it stands for WRONG .. but as you said its 2018 so let the debauchery and perversion and depravity go on :-\
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No one knows the answer to that question we are led to believe god is a mystical being well "who knows" nobody. one day we will know be it a man or woman or a other entity but we are not alone. I choose to believe some do not and that's ok
But the Bible clearly refers to god in masculine terms..Heavenly FATHER....If god is some "entity"...male female or whatever...then we do not understand this masculine reference...If we do not understand this...We cannot be certain of ANYTHING written in the bible....Yet super religious piously speak in complete certainty about god and his will....This is arrogant and ignorant....just say you don't know but do believe there is some type of higher power...I believe this
But am tired of mortal humans preaching with such certainty about God and his will....
Its ok to just not know
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Historians will look back at this thread as the beginning of the answer.
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But the Bible clearly refers to god in masculine terms..Heavenly FATHER....If god is some "entity"...male female or whatever...then we do not understand this masculine reference...If we do not understand this...We cannot be certain of ANYTHING written in the bible....Yet super religious piously speak in complete certainty about god and his will....This is arrogant and ignorant....just say you don't know but do believe there is some type of higher power...I believe this
But am tired of mortal humans preaching with such certainty about God and his will....
Its ok to just not know
so we agree with each other :)
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Hell = Imagine the worst panic attack claustrophobic feeling, combined with feeling every single hurt you caused someone else, completely isolated and alone and that feeling ...it lasts for eternity.
That is hell
Sounds like my school reunion...
The universe never began and it’ll never end.
Nothing was TRULY “created”, ever.
But aliens created us. As we create shit.
Heavy metal is the music of the human white male.
Naked females kick ass.
This is about all I know.
Sooooo.... what you're saying is that naked females kicking heavy metal ass is what heaven looks like? Cool....
If everything was created and had a beginning...when was God created? How old is he? If the answer was that he was always here...then what was he doing before he created everything? Must have been pretty bored.
Cracking one off.
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I also wonder if at some point the Homo Rationalis would seek to delete the other branch
this is what godless tards really want... they desire anyone outside of their delusion to b exterminated.
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The original turd was black. Fack! Then, everything everywhere turned to shit.
Scientists like to call the emptiness of space, "dark matter". Why? Because they had a slow day and needed a press release (Hollyweird "stars" do this all the time) to seem relevant. John used to call it "doesn't matter". Why? Cuz it's nothing more than a stupid guess at a topic no one gives a black shit about.
Wiggs likes to say that god is black and therefor Jesus was black. The first part only makes sense if you take into account that after impregnating Sheniqualaysia ("Mary" is a whitey construct name), god was never seen again.
No one knows what is waiting for any of us. Least of all Wiggs and his earf be flat 'n' sheit way of life.
Otherwise, this is a good thread!
So, why this "black god" sold his ancestors to slave exporters ::)
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So, why this "black god" sold his ancestors to slave exporters ::)
The Profit Wiggs would likely lay claim to the old standby of "he be punishin' the brothas, 'n' sheit".
Dudes a fecktard.
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This is 2018 and I'm in a "dialogue" with someone using the bible as "evidence" ......I will politely (and respectfully) rest my case.
well done
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heavenly "FATHER" =FAT "HER"
A FATASS WOMAN
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The Profit Wiggs would likely lay claim to the old standby of "he be punishin' the brothas, 'n' sheit".
Dudes a fecktard.
Black slaves market is fully operational in Tripoli (Libya) :D
Old guy like Wiggzy would cost around $ 200 , just Google or YouTube :P
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Link?
After that he went on on his usual religion-hating parade, ignoring (I believe intentionally) that some of the concepts that modern astrophysicists like to debate about nowadays are essentially religious concepts that have been discussed and debated about by theologians for thousands of years now.
I haven't A SINGLE DOUBT that some of the theories that are the basis for some of physics' most fundamental principles were outright stolen from/based on the religious concepts of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. Neil doesn't like to acknowledge this very fact because in today's science world religious thought is the equivalent of idiocy. Yet, ALL of science is based on thought that emanated from religions.
Not only that, as of lately, Neil seems to be (ab)using "believe me" when trying to state his point. Sound familiar?
Let me reiterate that I am an agnostic person. Just in case.
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What I find amazing, in the search for a higher being, isn't the higher being per se... it's thinking about the things that surround me that are actually experiencing a multi dimensional world. Take water for example... it's obvious it is an element that, for us, is perceptually bound by the space/time reality. But it you think about it and observe water flowing, you can pretty much see that there are multi-dimensional forces (>3) interacting that are WAY beyond our capacity to understand WTF is going on. Or particles that literally don't give a fuck about anything and will pierce a black hole like a hot knife through butter.
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God is good
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I also wonder if at some point the Homo Rationalis would seek to delete the other branch, so as to prevent the extermination of the species through religious wars and hate based ideologies.
The main issue is that it's not the religions at fault though. Don't get me wrong, many religious entities have recognized, understood and used to their benefit that part of our DNA that tells us to eliminate competition.
But one can hardly blame such things on religions. It's US, not the BELIEFS. We can be exploited, beliefs can't.
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And another thing... in observing the universe as a whole, we would all be doing ourselves a service by separating the physical from the observation. Meaning, the body is the time/space three-dimensional representation of the self, but consciousness or self-awareness offers a much better bleacher seat from which to make such observations as it is not bounded by three-dimensional perceptions (meaning we can actually THINK about going back in time or even imagine the future or being in Bora Bora or Greenland).
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some say we all came from monkey, lol (who created the monkey?)
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"some say we all came from monkey, lol (who created the monkey?)"
(http://s2.hubimg.com/u/4679483_f520.jpg)
Well if we came from a monkey, perhaps the monkey came from something too? And if we call that "thing A" than perhaps that thing "thing A" came from something too -perhaps a "thing B" and so forth and so on, until eventually you get to the big bang spewing the "stuff" that becomes "thing Z' in the first place?......
Or Jesus......
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We came from a species of monkey that no longer exists as its what we evolved into
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Humans are most closely related to the great apes of the family Hominidae. This family includes orangutans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and bonobos. Of the great apes, humans share 98.8 percent of their DNA with bonobos and chimpanzees. Humans and gorillas share 98.4 percent of their DNA. Once the apes are not native to Africa however, the differences in DNA increase. Humans and orangutans share 96.9 percent of their DNA. Humans and monkeys share approximately 93 percent.
(https://rogerdhansen.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/apefamilytree1.jpg)
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Humans are most closely related to the great apes of the family Hominidae. This family includes orangutans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and bonobos. Of the great apes, humans share 98.8 percent of their DNA with bonobos and chimpanzees. Humans and gorillas share 98.4 percent of their DNA. Once the apes are not native to Africa however, the differences in DNA increase. Humans and orangutans share 96.9 percent of their DNA. Humans and monkeys share approximately 93 percent.
(https://rogerdhansen.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/apefamilytree1.jpg)
and we share 90% DNA with mice....
all living creatures share a lot of DNA similarities, doesn't make us related.
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Actually, it does....any living creature found on planet Earth is from the same original "ancestor" if you go far enough back along the evolutionary chain. That we are more similar the closer the branch, is just common sense.
As for mice? Well, we've obviously come a long way since we diverged about 75 million years ago from a small, furry common ancestor.
We already know primates took the unique evolutionary path of enhanced cognition as a solution to life’s challenges. The human branch of the primate lineage merely exploited this strategy to the extreme.
We also know the mouse lineage took a very different turn, evolving efficient strategies for feeding, hiding and, most of all, producing prodigious numbers of offspring.
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Funniest thing I have seen in ages is fervent anti-anything-religious physicist Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about the concept of a three dimensional time dimension in which people would have access to the future, the past and the present all at the same time. He's so fanatically anti-religion that he forgets to mention the fact that this is hardly a new concept, and that he is basically talking about a notion that is and has been discussed in religious circles for many millennium: omnipresence.
I am as anti-anything religious as the next guy but deGrasse takes to an irrational level.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is someone who could be described as being an intellectual moron. He lacks the self awareness to even realize this though.
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Actually, it does....any living creature found on planet Earth is from the same original "ancestor" if you go far enough back along the evolutionary chain. That we are more similar the closer the branch, is just common sense.
As for mice? Well, we've obviously come a long way since we diverged about 75 million years ago from a small, furry common ancestor.
We already know primates took the unique evolutionary path of enhanced cognition as a solution to life’s challenges. The human branch of the primate lineage merely exploited this strategy to the extreme.
We also know the mouse lineage took a very different turn, evolving efficient strategies for feeding, hiding and, most of all, producing prodigious numbers of offspring.
nonsense, imbecile.
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and we share 90% DNA with mice....
all living creatures share a lot of DNA similarities, doesn't make us related.
LOL you might want to stick to beefing with Eric...