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Merry Christmas!
Here is a top ten list of Bush Administration Scandals!
1. Iraq WMD (or lack thereof)
2. Armstrong Williams (the Bush administration’s pay-for-play pundit)
3. Abu Ghraib torture scandal
4. Medicare reform fraud (including budget lies, tax-payer funded fake new stories)
5. Enron (including stock disaster, California energy fraud and Bush denial of Ken Lay friendship)
6. Secret Cheney energy plan
7. "Mission Accomplished" speech on USS Abraham Lincoln
8. Valerie Plame CIA agent outing
9. Bogus Iraq/guy yellow cake uranium claims
10. Bush National Guard non-service
http://www.perrspectives.com/features/contest.htm
That looks a little dated considering the FISA felonies aren't included.
So here's a list of 190 more Bush Scandals:
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/743.html
There's the FISA scandal...at 12.
12. Bush authorized warrantless NSA wiretapping in October 2001. The program was targeted at domestic telephone and internet communication in violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) which itself set a fairly low bar for wiretaps. It may also have included massive data mining of domestic communications. In March 2004, Deputy Attorney General James Comey and Attorney General John Ashcroft decided to refuse a periodic DOJ signoff on its legality. This resulted in the extraordinary scene where then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and Chief of Staff Andrew Card tried to get Ashcroft to sign an authorization while Ashcroft lay in an ICU bed suffering from gallstone pancreatitis. Comey who was acting Attorney General was present as Ashcroft resisted. Despite the refusal by the DOJ to vouch for the program's legality, Bush re-authorized it anyway. The program became public when the New York Times reported on it in December 2005. In 2006 various unsuccessful attempts were made to accommodate the program. This included the infamous attempted "compromise" by Arlen Specter to legalize its worst excesses and retroactively amnesty any illegalities. Under mounting pressure and with a new Democratic Congress, Alberto Gonzales announced on January 18, 2007, a "deal" with the FISA court which would put the program under its supervision. Gonzales maintained, however, that Bush still had Article II power to go outside the court if he wanted to. Despite previous abuses, April 10, 2007 intelligence czar DNI John McConnell proposes changes to FISA to permit domestic surveillance of foreign nationals completely outside of FISA, extend from 3 days to one week surveillance without seeking FISA permission "in emergency situations," immunize telecoms, and extend FISA warrants from 120 days to one year
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Looks like a partisan negative stories list, not a "scandal" list. They did the same thing to Clinton.
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Looks like a partisan negative stories list, not a "scandal" list. They did the same thing to Clinton.
These look like scandals to me.
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These look like scandals to me.
How was Enron a Bush Administration scandal?
How is hanging a sign saying "Mission Accomplished" a scandal?
The Bush National Guard non-service story? Some 20+ years before he took office? That's a Bush Administration scandal?
These are simply negative stories about that may or not relate to Bush, but not all of them are Bush "scandals."
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Looks like a partisan negative stories list, not a "scandal" list. They did the same thing to Clinton.
I guess I never really noticed you were that hardcore of a neocon bushie loyalist, oh wait, hea I did :D
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Please show us the top 190 scandals of the Clinton Presidency then, will you?
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that's what I thought :)
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How was Enron a Bush Administration scandal?
How is hanging a sign saying "Mission Accomplished" a scandal?
The Bush National Guard non-service story? Some 20+ years before he took office? That's a Bush Administration scandal?
These are simply negative stories about that may or not relate to Bush, but not all of them are Bush "scandals."
Kenny Boy Lay was a Bush insider and likely consultant to the Cheney national energy plan--he was also a first class felon.
The whitehouse had the Mission Accomplished banner hung at Bush's victory speech. The WH lied and said the troops hung it.
Bush's story of his service was at odds with that of his commanding officer. He lied and Desertion is still a crime.
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Kenny Boy Lay was a Bush insider and likely consultant to the Cheney national energy plan--he was also a first class felon.
The whitehouse had the Mission Accomplished banner hung at Bush's victory speech. The WH lied and said the troops hung it.
Bush's story of his service was at odds with that of his commanding officer. He lied and Desertion is still a crime.
So Bush was responsible for Enron? Played a role? Sorry, I don't see Enron as a Bush Administration scandal.
How do you conclude that the White House lied about hanging a sign? And even some staffer did, so what? Seems awfully petty to me.
Another unproved allegation about his military service. He may well have lied about his service, but that was 1972. lol. C'mon dude. That clearly isn't a Bush Administration scandal.
I could probably go through the list and pick out a ton of others, but I suspect it would be a waste of time, because the are likely so many.
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Looks like a partisan negative stories list, not a "scandal" list. They did the same thing to Clinton.
Don't dodge it. You made a direct statement and I'm calling you out on it.
Please show us the top 190 scandals of the Clinton Presidency then, will you?
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Don't dodge it. You made a direct statement and I'm calling you out on it.
Please show us the top 190 scandals of the Clinton Presidency then, will you?
lol. Oh no! He got me again. lol. You crack me up son . . . . :)
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lol. Oh no! He got me again. lol. You crack me up son . . . . :)
nice dodge, douchebag.
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nice dodge, douchebag.
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lol. Oh no! He got me again. lol. You crack me up son . . . . :)
Some of these overlap:
Outline of the Clinton Scandals based on the Downside Legacy
National Security
Missile Defense
Threats
Russia
China
North Korea
Iran
Iraq
Others
Technology
National Missile Defense
Theater Missile Defense
Arrow/Israel
Armed Forces
Deployments
Military Accidents and Deaths
Somalia
USS Cole
Others
Equipment Shortages, Cannibalizing for Parts
Poor Morale
Anthrax
Feminism of the Military
Accommodating Gays and Lesbians
Bad Command Decisions
Military Action on U.S. Ground
Attitude toward the Military
Commander in Chief held to a lower Level of Conduct
Decline of US Intelligence
Undermanned and Unsupported
India Nuclear Test
Chinese Embassy Bombing
Defense Technology Security Administration
Declassified Information containing Nuclear Secrets
Openness Initiative
Chernomyrdin Warnings Unheeded
CIA - Hughes Contact
Yevgeny Primakov - Iraq
National Imagery and Mapping Agency
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - denials
Army Research Lab
Cox Report Heavily Redacted and Delayed
Piercing Security
Taping of Monica/Clinton Phone Calls
Chinese Espionage
Peter Lee
Wen Ho Lee
Jeffrey Jhyfang Lo
Missing Hard Disks
Lax Security in National Labs
Lax Security in Government Offices
State Department - Computer Loss
State Department - Eavesdropping
U.S. Ambassador Martin Indyk
CIA Director Deutch
US Embassy Bombings and Deaths
USS Cole Bombing and Deaths
Jean Philippe Wispelaere
Yusian Haniffi
Bin Wu
Downing of US Air Force F-117A
Vasily Mitrokhin
Defense Department Computer Network Hacking
Mariano Faget
Jose Imperatori
WhiteHouse T-1 Line
George Trofimoff
Intelligence Technology
Echelon
Carnivore
RCMP/PROMIS
Export Control
Bureau of Export Administration - Transfer of Tech from State to Commerce
Ron Brown
Charles Meissner
Niko Junic
Shelly Kelly
Eric Henderson
Barbara Wise
Samir Ferrat
John Huang
William Perry
Hambrecht & Quist
Computers
Sea Launch
China - Peter Leitner, Michael Maloof
Tiger Song - Telecommunications
Launch and Guidance
Satellites and Communications
Machine Tools
Military Equipment
Shipping and Ports
Li Ka-Shing
Cosco
Panama
Campaign Contributions
Riady
Grand Escalante
Jackson Stephens
C Joseph Giroir Jr
John Huang
Charlie Trie
Maria Hsia
Johnny Chung
Others
National Labs
Wen Ho Lee
Hard Drives
Los Alamos Fire
Red Flags behind the Allegations
Individuals
Sandy Berger
Hazel O'Leary
Janet Reno
Eric Holder
Labella
Ira Sockowitz
Strobe Talbot
Others
Clinton Rhodes Scholar Contemporaries
David Souter
Wesley Clark
Richard Danzig
Frank Aller
James Woolsey
Daniel Case
Others...
Key Individuals on the Council on Foreign Relations
Chang-Lin Tien
Media Representatives
Decline of Foreign Relations
China
Military and Intelligence
Human Rights
Religious Persecution
North Korea
Indonesia
Vietnam and Cambodia
South China Sea
Taiwan
Japan
Pakistan/India
Israel and Palestine
Peace Initiatives
Current Intifada
Mohammed al-Dura
Afghanistan, Sudan and Osama bin Laden
Iran
Iraq
Russia
Economy
Proliferation
Europe
Central/South America
Elian/Cuba
Dr. Redlener
Doris Meissner
Africa
Kabila/Congo/Boulle/Friedman
Zimbabwe
South Africa/AIDS
Others
Balkans
Bosnia
Trepca
Kosovo
Tyrannical Behavior
Personal Conduct
Mental Stability
Women
Broaddrick
Willey
Browning
Gracen
Jones
Lewinsky
Flowers
Miscellaneous
Secret Police
Jack Palladino
Terry Lenzner/IGI
FBI Files
Travel Office
Politics of Personal Destruction
Henry Hyde
Bob Livingston
Kenneth Starr
Ronald Reagan
Gary Aldrich
Notra Trulock
Linda Tripp
Monica Lewinsky
Deborah Perroy
Jeff Jacoby
Bill Federer
George W Bush
John Ashcroft
Chef Sean Haddon
Threats - Physical/Emotional
Kathleen Willey
Gary Johnson
Gennifer Flowers
Johnny Chung
Henry Hyde/Alec Baldwin
George W Bush/Kilborn
Charlton Heston/Spike Lee
Kenneth Starr/James Carville
Political Firings/Demotions
Bill Johnston
Charles Labella
Notra Trulock
Edward McCallum
F. Michael Maloof
Peter Leitner
Robert Henson
Jay Stewart
Gordon Oehler
Lt. Jack Daly
Others
IRS Audits
Conservative Entities
Non-Conservative Entities
Tax Exempt Status
Christian Coalition
Church at Pierce Creek
NAACP/Rainbow Push Coalition
Others
Democrats.com v Free Republic
Lies and Deceptions
White House
Political Operatives
Al Gore
Others
Conventional Media Bias
NBC - Broaddrick
Salon
Dan Rather
CNN v FoxNews
Others
Abuse of Power Allegations
Appearance of Quid Pro Quo
Marc Rich
Riady
Hambrecht & Quist
Molten Metals
Public Broadcasting
Teamsters
Terry McAuliffe
Others
Bypass by Executive Orders
Foreign Policy
Antiquities Act
Federalism
Recess Appointments
Others
Use of Government Resources for Political Purpose
Lincoln Bedroom/Coffees/Telephone Solicitations
Database
Hillary Clinton Campaign
Others
BRAC
Obstruction of Justice Allegations
Executive Privilege Claims
Interference with Investigations
Email Scandal
Campaign Debate Tape Scandal
Others
Strange Justice
Eric Holder
Janet Reno
Judge Holloway-Johnson
Judge Robertson
Judge Friedman
Judge Morrow
Witness Status
Memory Lapses
Stonewalls
Criminal Corruption Allegations
Prosecutions
Pardons
Convictions
Indictments
Investigations
Criminal Associates
Tainted Blood
Whitewater
Drugs
CDFI
BCCI
Political Corruption Allegations
Lawlessness
Disbarment
Russia/Iran Arms Sell
Others
Morality
Wag the Dog
Moral Relativism
Trashing the White House
Others
Sovereignty
Globalism
Global Governance
International Criminal Court
Others
Socialism
Commerce being treated as a Crime
Tobacco
Firearms
Microsoft
Others
Terror
FALN
Domestic Terrorists
Native Americans
Miscellaneous
Misappropriations
Creating Class Warfare for Votes
Racism
Abortion
Sexual Conduct
Jesse Dirkhising v Matthew Shepard
Boy Scouts
Other
Faith
Feminism
Right to Bear Arms
Education
Death
Suicides
Vince Foster
Sharlott Donovan
Others
Homicides
Jerry Parks
Mary Mahoney
Cecil Boren
Others
Accidents
Ron Brown
Admiral Donald Engen
Other Airplane Crashes
Colby Drowning
Automobile Accidents
Others
Natural and Unknown
Jim MacDougal
Ben-Elissar
Others
Tragedies
Oklahoma City and Subsequent Deaths
Columbine
Wedgewood Baptist
Alaskan Airlines
Unrecorded
Haitians
Iraq
Kosovo
Sudan/Afghanistan
Others
Waco
Facts
Theories
Carlos Ghigliotti
Other Waco Investigator Deaths
TWA800
Facts
Theories
Samir Ferrat
Jeremy Crocker
Impeachment Attempt
Event Timeline
Inquiry
Hearing
Trial
Political Shifts
Resignations
Lobbyists
Party Switches
Presidential Election
Prepunched Ballot Allegations
Misappropriated Votamatics
Telemarketing Effort before the Polls Closed
Sautter Methodology
Democrats.com
Litigation
Vinod Gupta
Haitians
Volusia
Carol Roberts/Palm Beach
Stolen Absentee Ballots
VNS - Early Call
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My list is better than your list Colossus. More informative.
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Half of those are CTs.
Suicides?
Come on Colossus. What would a suicide have to do with him? That's CT nonsense right there.
nut.
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So Bush was responsible for Enron? Played a role? Sorry, I don't see Enron as a Bush Administration scandal.
How do you conclude that the White House lied about hanging a sign? And even some staffer did, so what? Seems awfully petty to me.
Another unproved allegation about his military service. He may well have lied about his service, but that was 1972. lol. C'mon dude. That clearly isn't a Bush Administration scandal.
I could probably go through the list and pick out a ton of others, but I suspect it would be a waste of time, because the are likely so many.
So you have no problem with felon Ken Lay having a relationship with Pres. Bush dating back to 1994? Or that he was a consultant to our national energy policy?
Mission Accomplished?
White House officials say that a variety of people, including the president, came up with the idea, and that Mr. Sforza embedded himself on the carrier to make preparations days before Mr. Bush's landing in a flight suit and his early evening speech.Media strategists noted afterward that Mr. Sforza and his aides had choreographed every aspect of the event, even down to the members of the Lincoln crew arrayed in coordinated shirt colors over Mr. Bush's right shoulder and the "Mission Accomplished" banner placed to perfectly capture the president and the celebratory two words in a single shot. The speech was specifically timed for what image makers call "magic hour light," which cast a golden glow on Mr. Bush.
...Scott Sforza, a former ABC producer who was hired by the Bush campaign in Austin, Tex., and who now works for Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/
THE PRESIDENT: The "Mission Accomplished" sign, of course, was put up by the members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, saying that their mission was accomplished. I know it was attributed some how to some ingenious advance man from my staff -- they weren't that ingenious, by the way.
That is the definition of 'bald-faced' lying which equals a scandal.
The president, commander and chief of the armed forces, is a likely deserter from the armed forces as a young man and that's not important to the Bush Administration as a scandal?
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Half of those are CTs.
Suicides?
Come on Colossus. What would a suicide have to do with him? That's CT nonsense right there.
nut.
I think that's the point Beach is trying to make with the assertion made in the 190+
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I think that's the point Beach is trying to make with the assertion made in the 190+
Can you or Beach list which of the Bush 190 were "CTs"?
If so, I'm sure Decker can provide verification of the story.
Please list them.
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Some of these overlap:
Outline of the Clinton Scandals based on the Downside Legacy
National Security
Missile Defense
Threats
Russia
China
North Korea
Iran
Iraq
Others
Technology
National Missile Defense
Theater Missile Defense
Arrow/Israel
Armed Forces
Deployments
Military Accidents and Deaths
Somalia
USS Cole
Others
Equipment Shortages, Cannibalizing for Parts
Poor Morale
Anthrax
Feminism of the Military
Accommodating Gays and Lesbians
Bad Command Decisions
Military Action on U.S. Ground
Attitude toward the Military
Commander in Chief held to a lower Level of Conduct
Decline of US Intelligence
Undermanned and Unsupported
India Nuclear Test
Chinese Embassy Bombing
Defense Technology Security Administration
Declassified Information containing Nuclear Secrets
Openness Initiative
Chernomyrdin Warnings Unheeded
CIA - Hughes Contact
Yevgeny Primakov - Iraq
National Imagery and Mapping Agency
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - denials
Army Research Lab
Cox Report Heavily Redacted and Delayed
Piercing Security
Taping of Monica/Clinton Phone Calls
Chinese Espionage
Peter Lee
Wen Ho Lee
Jeffrey Jhyfang Lo
Missing Hard Disks
Lax Security in National Labs
Lax Security in Government Offices
State Department - Computer Loss
State Department - Eavesdropping
U.S. Ambassador Martin Indyk
CIA Director Deutch
US Embassy Bombings and Deaths
USS Cole Bombing and Deaths
Jean Philippe Wispelaere
Yusian Haniffi
Bin Wu
Downing of US Air Force F-117A
Vasily Mitrokhin
Defense Department Computer Network Hacking
Mariano Faget
Jose Imperatori
WhiteHouse T-1 Line
George Trofimoff
Intelligence Technology
Echelon
Carnivore
RCMP/PROMIS
Export Control
Bureau of Export Administration - Transfer of Tech from State to Commerce
Ron Brown
Charles Meissner
Niko Junic
Shelly Kelly
Eric Henderson
Barbara Wise
Samir Ferrat
John Huang
William Perry
Hambrecht & Quist
Computers
Sea Launch
China - Peter Leitner, Michael Maloof
Tiger Song - Telecommunications
Launch and Guidance
Satellites and Communications
Machine Tools
Military Equipment
Shipping and Ports
Li Ka-Shing
Cosco
Panama
Campaign Contributions
Riady
Grand Escalante
Jackson Stephens
C Joseph Giroir Jr
John Huang
Charlie Trie
Maria Hsia
Johnny Chung
Others
National Labs
Wen Ho Lee
Hard Drives
Los Alamos Fire
Red Flags behind the Allegations
Individuals
Sandy Berger
Hazel O'Leary
Janet Reno
Eric Holder
Labella
Ira Sockowitz
Strobe Talbot
Others
Clinton Rhodes Scholar Contemporaries
David Souter
Wesley Clark
Richard Danzig
Frank Aller
James Woolsey
Daniel Case
Others...
Key Individuals on the Council on Foreign Relations
Chang-Lin Tien
Media Representatives
Decline of Foreign Relations
China
Military and Intelligence
Human Rights
Religious Persecution
North Korea
Indonesia
Vietnam and Cambodia
South China Sea
Taiwan
Japan
Pakistan/India
Israel and Palestine
Peace Initiatives
Current Intifada
Mohammed al-Dura
Afghanistan, Sudan and Osama bin Laden
Iran
Iraq
Russia
Economy
Proliferation
Europe
Central/South America
Elian/Cuba
Dr. Redlener
Doris Meissner
Africa
Kabila/Congo/Boulle/Friedman
Zimbabwe
South Africa/AIDS
Others
Balkans
Bosnia
Trepca
Kosovo
Tyrannical Behavior
Personal Conduct
Mental Stability
Women
Broaddrick
Willey
Browning
Gracen
Jones
Lewinsky
Flowers
Miscellaneous
Secret Police
Jack Palladino
Terry Lenzner/IGI
FBI Files
Travel Office
Politics of Personal Destruction
Henry Hyde
Bob Livingston
Kenneth Starr
Ronald Reagan
Gary Aldrich
Notra Trulock
Linda Tripp
Monica Lewinsky
Deborah Perroy
Jeff Jacoby
Bill Federer
George W Bush
John Ashcroft
Chef Sean Haddon
Threats - Physical/Emotional
Kathleen Willey
Gary Johnson
Gennifer Flowers
Johnny Chung
Henry Hyde/Alec Baldwin
George W Bush/Kilborn
Charlton Heston/Spike Lee
Kenneth Starr/James Carville
Political Firings/Demotions
Bill Johnston
Charles Labella
Notra Trulock
Edward McCallum
F. Michael Maloof
Peter Leitner
Robert Henson
Jay Stewart
Gordon Oehler
Lt. Jack Daly
Others
IRS Audits
Conservative Entities
Non-Conservative Entities
Tax Exempt Status
Christian Coalition
Church at Pierce Creek
NAACP/Rainbow Push Coalition
Others
Democrats.com v Free Republic
Lies and Deceptions
White House
Political Operatives
Al Gore
Others
Conventional Media Bias
NBC - Broaddrick
Salon
Dan Rather
CNN v FoxNews
Others
Abuse of Power Allegations
Appearance of Quid Pro Quo
Marc Rich
Riady
Hambrecht & Quist
Molten Metals
Public Broadcasting
Teamsters
Terry McAuliffe
Others
Bypass by Executive Orders
Foreign Policy
Antiquities Act
Federalism
Recess Appointments
Others
Use of Government Resources for Political Purpose
Lincoln Bedroom/Coffees/Telephone Solicitations
Database
Hillary Clinton Campaign
Others
BRAC
Obstruction of Justice Allegations
Executive Privilege Claims
Interference with Investigations
Email Scandal
Campaign Debate Tape Scandal
Others
Strange Justice
Eric Holder
Janet Reno
Judge Holloway-Johnson
Judge Robertson
Judge Friedman
Judge Morrow
Witness Status
Memory Lapses
Stonewalls
Criminal Corruption Allegations
Prosecutions
Pardons
Convictions
Indictments
Investigations
Criminal Associates
Tainted Blood
Whitewater
Drugs
CDFI
BCCI
Political Corruption Allegations
Lawlessness
Disbarment
Russia/Iran Arms Sell
Others
Morality
Wag the Dog
Moral Relativism
Trashing the White House
Others
Sovereignty
Globalism
Global Governance
International Criminal Court
Others
Socialism
Commerce being treated as a Crime
Tobacco
Firearms
Microsoft
Others
Terror
FALN
Domestic Terrorists
Native Americans
Miscellaneous
Misappropriations
Creating Class Warfare for Votes
Racism
Abortion
Sexual Conduct
Jesse Dirkhising v Matthew Shepard
Boy Scouts
Other
Faith
Feminism
Right to Bear Arms
Education
Death
Suicides
Vince Foster
Sharlott Donovan
Others
Homicides
Jerry Parks
Mary Mahoney
Cecil Boren
Others
Accidents
Ron Brown
Admiral Donald Engen
Other Airplane Crashes
Colby Drowning
Automobile Accidents
Others
Natural and Unknown
Jim MacDougal
Ben-Elissar
Others
Tragedies
Oklahoma City and Subsequent Deaths
Columbine
Wedgewood Baptist
Alaskan Airlines
Unrecorded
Haitians
Iraq
Kosovo
Sudan/Afghanistan
Others
Waco
Facts
Theories
Carlos Ghigliotti
Other Waco Investigator Deaths
TWA800
Facts
Theories
Samir Ferrat
Jeremy Crocker
Impeachment Attempt
Event Timeline
Inquiry
Hearing
Trial
Political Shifts
Resignations
Lobbyists
Party Switches
Presidential Election
Prepunched Ballot Allegations
Misappropriated Votamatics
Telemarketing Effort before the Polls Closed
Sautter Methodology
Democrats.com
Litigation
Vinod Gupta
Haitians
Volusia
Carol Roberts/Palm Beach
Stolen Absentee Ballots
VNS - Early Call
lol . . . Hey that looks like at least 190 to me. :D
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Wow, a list pissing contest! ;D
com on guys, it think hypothetically we'd all rather have Clinton in office over bush. hehehe ::) :P :o ;D >:( ??? 8) :-X :-* :)
No seriously, i rather have Clinton fucking an intern than Bush fucking up our future.
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Wow, a list pissing contest! ;D
com on guys, it think hypothetically we'd all rather have Clinton in office over bush. hehehe ::) :P :o ;D >:( ??? 8) :-X :-* :)
No seriously, i rather have Clinton fucking an intern than Bush fucking up our future.
lol. :) No party has a monopoly on "scandals." Sort of a pointless contest.
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Don't dodge it. You made a direct statement and I'm calling you out on it.
Please show us the top 190 scandals of the Clinton Presidency then, will you?
Wanna start with 100 + deaths and suicides associated during his administration?
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I think this is pretty funny.
Colossus's list is composed of partial references that don't do me much good in developing an opinion on the matter.
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So you have no problem with felon Ken Lay having a relationship with Pres. Bush dating back to 1994? Or that he was a consultant to our national energy policy?
Mission Accomplished?
White House officials say that a variety of people, including the president, came up with the idea, and that Mr. Sforza embedded himself on the carrier to make preparations days before Mr. Bush's landing in a flight suit and his early evening speech.Media strategists noted afterward that Mr. Sforza and his aides had choreographed every aspect of the event, even down to the members of the Lincoln crew arrayed in coordinated shirt colors over Mr. Bush's right shoulder and the "Mission Accomplished" banner placed to perfectly capture the president and the celebratory two words in a single shot. The speech was specifically timed for what image makers call "magic hour light," which cast a golden glow on Mr. Bush.
...Scott Sforza, a former ABC producer who was hired by the Bush campaign in Austin, Tex., and who now works for Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/
THE PRESIDENT: The "Mission Accomplished" sign, of course, was put up by the members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, saying that their mission was accomplished. I know it was attributed some how to some ingenious advance man from my staff -- they weren't that ingenious, by the way.
That is the definition of 'bald-faced' lying which equals a scandal.
The president, commander and chief of the armed forces, is a likely deserter from the armed forces as a young man and that's not important to the Bush Administration as a scandal?
I have a problem with any public official or member of the business community who is a felon. What I don't see is any connection to Ken Lay being the president of Enron and a Bush Administration scandal. That's partisan nonsense IMO. If Bush was involved in Enron in some way, then I could see this possibly being related to his administration.
That Mission Accomplished stuff is really petty. I have a hard time getting worked up over that. A scandal? Hardly.
No, the fact Bush probably dodged the draft over 30 years ago isn't a Bush Administration scandal. That's actually the definition of a dead horse. It was relevant BEFORE he was elected the first time. It has zero to do with a current "scandal."
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I think that's the point Beach is trying to make with the assertion made in the 190+
Ding! :)
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I have a problem with any public official or member of the business community who is a felon. What I don't see is any connection to Ken Lay being the president of Enron and a Bush Administration scandal. That's partisan nonsense IMO. If Bush was involved in Enron in some way, then I could see this possibly being related to his administration.
That Mission Accomplished stuff is really petty. I have a hard time getting worked up over that. A scandal? Hardly.
No, the fact Bush probably dodged the draft over 30 years ago isn't a Bush Administration scandal. That's actually the definition of a dead horse. It was relevant BEFORE he was elected the first time. It has zero to do with a current "scandal."
Bush received 1.14 million from Enron when he ran for president. He flew around the country on the Enron jet. Lay had a hand in crafting our national energy policy.
Bush battled price controls in California during the rolling brownouts which directly inured to the benefit of Ken Lay.
There is a heck of alot more nefarious connections.
Of course the "mission accomplished" lie is not a scandal--I mean comparatively speaking. The Bush administration comes out with what seems to be weekly scandals that, in depth of criminality and immorality, seem to outshine the prior week's scandal. So I guess lying about hanging a banner is no big deal.
I believe you when you say that you don't care about Bush's alleged desertion. I do care though. The allegations tarnish the office he holds.
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Bush received 1.14 million from Enron when he ran for president. He flew around the country on the Enron jet. Lay had a hand in crafting our national energy policy.
Bush battled price controls in California during the rolling brownouts which directly inured to the benefit of Ken Lay.
There is a heck of alot more nefarious connections.
Of course the "mission accomplished" lie is not a scandal--I mean comparatively speaking. The Bush administration comes out with what seems to be weekly scandals that, in depth of criminality and immorality, seem to outshine the prior week's scandal. So I guess lying about hanging a banner is no big deal.
I believe you when you say that you don't care about Bush's alleged desertion. I do care though. The allegations tarnish the office he holds.
So Bush made policy decisions designed to benefit Enron based on his relationship with Ken Lay? Pretty wild Decker.
I don't like the fact Bush probably dodged the draft, but it isn't a current scandal, nor is it really relevant after he takes office. Same is true of Clinton and his draft dodging.
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So Bush made policy decisions designed to benefit Enron based on his relationship with Ken Lay? Pretty wild Decker.
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I didn't say that but I think it is very evident. It is quite a coincidence and a matter of course that Bush advocates legislation to the benefit of this country's financial elites.
And it's not like quid pro quo is unprecedented btn Bush and Lay--Bush served on Harken Energy's board when it entered into big time trade agreements with ENRON.
--Bush personally joined the fight against imposing caps on the soaring price of electricity in California at a time when Enron was artificially driving up the price of electricity by manipulating supply. Bush’s rear-guard action against price caps bought Enron and other energy traders extra time to gouge hundreds of millions of dollars from California’s consumers.
--Bush granted Lay broad influence over the administration’s energy policies, including the choice of key regulators to oversee Enron’s businesses. The chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission was suddenly replaced in 2001 after he began to delve into Enron’s complex derivative-financing schemes.
--Bush had his National Security Council staff organize an administration-wide campaign to pressure the Indian government to accommodate Enron, which wanted to sell its generating plant in Dabhol, India, for $2.3 billion. Bush administration pressure on India over the Dabhol plant continued even after Sept. 11, when India’s support was needed for the war on terrorism. The administration’s threats against India on Enron’s behalf didn’t stop until Nov. 8.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/052902a.html
Only after ENRON became a liability to Bush did he have the balls to say that he barely knew who Ken Lay was. That's funny. Over a million in political contributions, a 10+ year friendship, influence peddling to save ENRON and Bush couldn't recall his good friend and business partner?
You might want to take a look at these 15 letters from Ken Lay to Bush found at the smoking gun website:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlay12.html
Maybe if Bush saw those letters, his memory would be refreshed.
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Wanna start with 100 + deaths and suicides associated during his administration?
holy shit... you're a CONSPIRACY THEORIST, Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have no proof, yet you're making a helluva accusation!!
Hilarious!
You won't look at 911 proof, even when Bush 1, 2, and reagan cabinet members (and FBI, nypd, FDNY, etc) call it an inside job.
But you can accuse CLinton of this with ZERO evidence? SERIOUSLY?
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I didn't say that but I think it is very evident. It is quite a coincidence and a matter of course that Bush advocates legislation to the benefit of this country's financial elites.
And it's not like quid pro quo is unprecedented btn Bush and Lay--Bush served on Harken Energy's board when it entered into big time trade agreements with ENRON.
--Bush personally joined the fight against imposing caps on the soaring price of electricity in California at a time when Enron was artificially driving up the price of electricity by manipulating supply. Bush’s rear-guard action against price caps bought Enron and other energy traders extra time to gouge hundreds of millions of dollars from California’s consumers.
--Bush granted Lay broad influence over the administration’s energy policies, including the choice of key regulators to oversee Enron’s businesses. The chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission was suddenly replaced in 2001 after he began to delve into Enron’s complex derivative-financing schemes.
--Bush had his National Security Council staff organize an administration-wide campaign to pressure the Indian government to accommodate Enron, which wanted to sell its generating plant in Dabhol, India, for $2.3 billion. Bush administration pressure on India over the Dabhol plant continued even after Sept. 11, when India’s support was needed for the war on terrorism. The administration’s threats against India on Enron’s behalf didn’t stop until Nov. 8.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/052902a.html
Only after ENRON became a liability to Bush did he have the balls to say that he barely knew who Ken Lay was. That's funny. Over a million in political contributions, a 10+ year friendship, influence peddling to save ENRON and Bush couldn't recall his good friend and business partner?
You might want to take a look at these 15 letters from Ken Lay to Bush found at the smoking gun website:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlay12.html
Maybe if Bush saw those letters, his memory would be refreshed.
I looked at several of the letters. I doubt he read them. They were addressed to him as governor. I doubt governors and presidents personally read the vast majority of their mail.
In any event, sounds like a pretty sinister plot.
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LOL.. So many times decker is called out for more info on his opinions and he comes thru in a huge way.
Dude has mad skills.....whats great is he doesnt even have to lie, cuz every week bush will do something even stupider than the previous week......constant new material... 8)
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looks like the truth to me.
O.K. ::)
I skimmed the list. http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/743.html It's laughable. Scandal number one is Walter Reed. ::) Number five is "Afghanistan, transferring resources to Iraq before the job was finished, the results: a resurgent Taliban, continuing warlordism, and exploding opium production." Six is "Iran and saber rattling, axis of evil, lack of engagement, refusal to talk to, addressing the nuclear issue through threats, clumsy attempts to blame Iran for the debacle in Iraq and a failure to recognize their very real interests there."
Seven is "North Korea, axis of evil, ditching the 1994 agreement and freezing of bank accounts because of dubious uranium program, the plutonium program which led to a fizzled first nuclear test, and something like a return to the 1994 agreement."
Eight is the failure to find Osama bin Laden?
Ten is signing the Military Commissions Act??? This is partisan gibberish.
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I support whomever is in the White House.
I believe that is my obligation
It is all so clear now.
If Hitler and Stalin were in office, you'd be cheerleading them too.
You don't have a sense of right and wrong. You just defend whoever is in charge, right or wrong.
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Clinton allowed 9/11 to happen along with most of that list. I think any person who can put their personal hatred for Bush aside for 2 secs and pull their head out of their ass can see that.
240 you need to just stop arguing.. you are a sore loser and your response to clintons list is a perfect example of how you react to having your bias and your ignorance exposed.
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240 you need to just stop arguing.. you are a sore loser and your response to clintons list is a perfect example of how you react to having your bias and your ignorance exposed.
It's a PERFCET EXAMPLE of how people will support a CT with no evidence and ACCUSE clinton of something terrible without evidence... but... they cannot for a minute ven look at 911 evidence, even when it's much greater.
It's funny that "CT" is political for them. I haven't heard of this clinton thing - but Joe is ready to ACCUSE clinton of horrible things. All I'm saying is, there needs to be another 911 investigation - and you have ppl here accusing clinton of horrible things.
you cannot have it both ways, brix. You either look at evidence in each case, or it's crazy in each case. It's funny to catch them off guard and see their defense of things isn't based on reason or fact - it's purely ppolitical.
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It's a PERFCET EXAMPLE of how people will support a CT with no evidence and ACCUSE clinton of something terrible without evidence... but... they cannot for a minute ven look at 911 evidence, even when it's much greater.
It's funny that "CT" is political for them. I haven't heard of this clinton thing - but Joe is ready to ACCUSE clinton of horrible things. All I'm saying is, there needs to be another 911 investigation - and you have ppl here accusing clinton of horrible things.
you cannot have it both ways, brix. You either look at evidence in each case, or it's crazy in each case. It's funny to catch them off guard and see their defense of things isn't based on reason or fact - it's purely ppolitical.
There needs to be another 9/11 investigation done, that much is true.
PS, you're still fascist scum.
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there will be another. history has set the precedent, and there are many smoking guns with this one. WHen bush leaves office and people stop being scared and start coming fwd, the need for one will come out very quickly.
the media marginalizes and labels anyone who looks at the evidence and drafts legistaltion for a second investgation. but 67% of america wants an investigation now. Give it 2 more years.
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there will be another. history has set the precedent, and there are many smoking guns with this one. WHen bush leaves office and people stop being scared and start coming fwd, the need for one will come out very quickly.
the media marginalizes and labels anyone who looks at the evidence and drafts legistaltion for a second investgation. but 67% of america wants an investigation now. Give it 2 more years.
If Ron Paul were president, he would reopen an investigation with the right people.
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LOL.. So many times decker is called out for more info on his opinions and he comes thru in a huge way.
Dude has mad skills.....whats great is he doesnt even have to lie, cuz every week bush will do something even stupider than the previous week......constant new material... 8)
Thanks and I do agree with you. It is almost axiomatic that anything done by the Bush administration in particular and the republican part in general is done to benefit a minority at the expense of the majority.
So naturally they have to manipulate, deny, mischaracterize and flat out lie. It's been that way for Bush and company from the beginning:
His 2000 tax cuts, social security privatization, medicare reform, the Iraqi threat, the response to Katrina, and on and on.
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I looked at several of the letters. I doubt he read them. They were addressed to him as governor. I doubt governors and presidents personally read the vast majority of their mail.
In any event, sounds like a pretty sinister plot.
Bush used the corporate Enron jet 14 times.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020204/bivens20020124
And Bush aides used the Enron corporate jet to go to Florida to disrupt the 2000 recount.
Surely Bush remembers those things.
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Bush used the corporate Enron jet 14 times.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020204/bivens20020124
And Bush aides used the Enron corporate jet to go to Florida to disrupt the 2000 recount.
Surely Bush remembers those things.
Surely you remember President Clinton "pimping" the Whitehouse for contributions?
Point is, we can go on and on between the two.
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Surely you remember President Clinton "pimping" the Whitehouse for contributions?
Point is, we can go on and on between the two.
yeah we could,
but I don't think Clinton shaped national energy policy to help out his friends.
Bush Fund-Raisers Among Overnight Guests in the Lincoln Bedroom
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0310-04.htm
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yeah we could,
but I don't think Clinton shaped national energy policy to help out his friends.
Bush Fund-Raisers Among Overnight Guests in the Lincoln Bedroom
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0310-04.htm
Wow.. common dreams??? are you ffing kidding?!?! It says "for the progressive community" right at the top!
Nope, no bias or slant in THAT article!! ::)
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Wow.. common dreams??? are you ffing kidding?!?! It says "for the progressive community" right at the top!
Nope, no bias or slant in THAT article!! ::)
Well then that certainly excuses you from discussing the facts of the article.
How convenient for your political prejudice.
Bush Fund-Raisers Among Overnight Guests
March 10, 2004
By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer
http://service.govdelivery.com/docs/ORGOBER/ORGOBER_1/ORGOBER_1_20040318_033300_en.htm
Bush Donors Stay The Night
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/10/politics/main605028.shtml
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Well then that certainly excuses you from discussing the facts of the article.
How convenient for your political prejudice.
Bush Fund-Raisers Among Overnight Guests
March 10, 2004
By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer
http://service.govdelivery.com/docs/ORGOBER/ORGOBER_1/ORGOBER_1_20040318_033300_en.htm
Bush Donors Stay The Night
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/10/politics/main605028.shtml
Well thanks for at least trying to put some legit news up there (although CBS might not be much better depending on who you ask). Let me just say that sourcing from known leftist orgs won't help your case... as 240 found out from sourcing Alex Jones and a bunch of CT crap.
Nonetheless, I recall the Clintons allowing some very questionable Chinese to stay in the white house and no one crying about that.
Peoples personal hatred for Bush has shown them to be most hypocritical.
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If Ron Paul were president, he would reopen an investigation with the right people.
Didn't he already discount this conspiracy crap?
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Bush used the corporate Enron jet 14 times.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020204/bivens20020124
And Bush aides used the Enron corporate jet to go to Florida to disrupt the 2000 recount.
Surely Bush remembers those things.
And? So what?
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Well then that certainly excuses you from discussing the facts of the article.
How convenient for your political prejudice.
Bush Fund-Raisers Among Overnight Guests
March 10, 2004
By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer
http://service.govdelivery.com/docs/ORGOBER/ORGOBER_1/ORGOBER_1_20040318_033300_en.htm
Bush Donors Stay The Night
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/10/politics/main605028.shtml
lol. "DNC donors were allowed to spend the night in the Lincoln bedroom for a contribution of $150,000." http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html#Lincoln
Good luck with this one. :)
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Well thanks for at least trying to put some legit news up there (although CBS might not be much better depending on who you ask). Let me just say that sourcing from known leftist orgs won't help your case... as 240 found out from sourcing Alex Jones and a bunch of CT crap.
Nonetheless, I recall the Clintons allowing some very questionable Chinese to stay in the white house and no one crying about that.
Peoples personal hatred for Bush has shown them to be most hypocritical.
I see what you mean.
I am the same way with the anything posted from The Heritage Foundation. I argue the facts anyways but I have no use for that think-tank. My cousin is a scholar there b/c think tanks of that sort are big business.
There are perqs that come with being president. One of them is using the whitehouse to entertain friends and associates. I don't see the scandal. Even back when Clinton or Bush did it.
Bringing up another's personal blinding hatred for any politician isn't a really good argument or defense. It's impossible to demonstrate.
People could have hated Clinton b/c of NAFTA or the Lewinsky disgrace. But those are objects to point at that instantiate ill feelings or hatred for the man. Those points can be discussed.
The 'blind hatred' argument cuts off debate immediately.
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And? So what?
All this evidence would prove an ongoing relationship with Lay in any court of law.
For Bush to claim "Ken who?" is just another lie in a long list of lies put out by the man.
No wonder you are not surprised. You've become conditioned to accept this behaviour from our president.
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Ron paul endorsed a second 911 investigation earlier this year.
He said we have no reason to suspect anyone, but lots of reasons to suspect the investigation was incomplete (as helf the 911 commissioners themselves have now stated)
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lol. "DNC donors were allowed to spend the night in the Lincoln bedroom for a contribution of $150,000." http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html#Lincoln
Good luck with this one. :)
And each Bush guest at the Lincoln bedroom ponied up btn $100,000 and $200,000 for the honor.
It doesn't matter to me either way. As I've said, this is not a scandal for either Clinton or Bush.
The scandal comes into play when Bush hypocritically chastised Clinton for using the Lincoln Bedroom for supporters when he did the same exact thing.
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All this evidence would prove an ongoing relationship with Lay in any court of law.
For Bush to claim "Ken who?" is just another lie in a long list of lies put out by the man.
No wonder you are not surprised. You've become conditioned to accept this behaviour from our president.
Evidence? Hardly. Letters sent to a governor's office that the governor doesn't read. Flights on corporate jets for which the corporation was reimbursed. Anyone trying to use that "evidence" to prove that Bush made policy decisions to benefit Enron would be laughed out of court.
"Lies" from our presidents are hardly new. Bush Sr. lied about his "read my lips" pledge. I was NOT happy about that. Clinton looked in the face of the American people and lied. You should be pretty conditioned yourself. :)
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And each Bush guest at the Lincoln bedroom ponied up btn $100,000 and $200,000 for the honor.
It doesn't matter to me either way. As I've said, this is not a scandal for either Clinton or Bush.
The scandal comes into play when Bush hypocritically chastised Clinton for using the Lincoln Bedroom for supporters when he did the same exact thing.
That's precisely what I said in this thread about the list of "scandals." It's partisan nonsense.
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Evidence? Hardly. Letters sent to a governor's office that the governor doesn't read. Flights on corporate jets for which the corporation was reimbursed. Anyone trying to use that "evidence" to prove that Bush made policy decisions to benefit Enron would be laughed out of court.
"Lies" from our presidents are hardly new. Bush Sr. lied about his "read my lips" pledge. I was NOT happy about that. Clinton looked in the face of the American people and lied. You should be pretty conditioned yourself. :)
Yes those are presidential lies too.
We've already shown that Bush has a history of corresponding with Lay--read the letters, they are not unilateral missives. We've already shown that Bush used the Enron Corporate Jet. In other words, we have shown an ongoing relationship between the president of the united states and one of american history's biggest corporate felons.
You are correct Beach Bum, it is merely coincidence that Cheney kept all national energy policy meetings a secret and that the resulting energy policy shitcanning energy caps just happened to enrich Enron for millions. It's that kind of circumstantial evidence that is just spinning.
Like it's been said, "justice may be blind, but it is not stupid."
And as a pre-emptive measure, there's no lawsuit b/c the president is immune and Enron has nothing to give.
I'm not conditioned to accept presidential lies. I'm conditioned to point out those lies.
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Yes those are presidential lies too.
We've already shown that Bush has a history of corresponding with Lay--read the letters, they are not unilateral missives. We've already shown that Bush used the Enron Corporate Jet. In other words, we have shown an ongoing relationship between the president of the united states and one of american history's biggest corporate felons.
You are correct Beach Bum, it is merely coincidence that Cheney kept all national energy policy meetings a secret and that the resulting energy policy shitcanning energy caps just happened to enrich Enron for millions. It's that kind of circumstantial evidence that is just spinning.
Like it's been said, "justice may be blind, but it is not stupid."
And as a pre-emptive measure, there's no lawsuit b/c the president is immune and Enron has nothing to give.
I'm not conditioned to accept presidential lies. I'm conditioned to point out those lies.
No, we didn't show a history of Bush corresponding with Lay. I didn't read all of the letters, but what I saw was Lay sending letters to Bush as gov, and I pointed out how govs don't personally read their mail. Were there letters from Bush to Lay? Even if there were, that does not establish that Bush tried to make policy to benefit Enron.
I think what you're doing is acting like a garden variety partisan on this Decker. You're not simply pointing out lies and misconduct by government officials. You're highlighting alleged misconduct and nefarious conspiracies involving Bush because you hate him so much. At least that's the way it appears to me. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Here is another example of how the pendulum swings both ways (from an earlier thread):
Report: Hillary Clinton Big Money Donor Wanted for Grand Theft
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton
A Democratic fundraiser who has raised $1 million for presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says he has done nothing wrong and has asked no favors in return, but Norman Hsu didn't mention that he's a wanted man.
A California prosecutor says Hsu pleaded no contest to grand theft, was sentenced to three years in prison and then disappeared, The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295031,00.html
What is going on with these Democrats? Fieger indicted for illegal campaign contributions to Edwards. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164964.0
Married L.A. mayor sleeping with a news reporter who covers him. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157718.0
S.F. mayor sleeping with his campaign manager's wife. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123851.0
Married New Jersey mayor having homosexual affair. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/12/mcgreevey.nj/
Member of Congress accepting bribes. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152739.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=165554.0
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No, we didn't show a history of Bush corresponding with Lay. I didn't read all of the letters, but what I saw was Lay sending letters to Bush as gov, and I pointed out how govs don't personally read their mail. Were there letters from Bush to Lay? Even if there were, that does not establish that Bush tried to make policy to benefit Enron.
I think what you're doing is acting like a garden variety partisan on this Decker. You're not simply pointing out lies and misconduct by government officials. You're highlighting alleged misconduct and nefarious conspiracies involving Bush because you hate him so much. At least that's the way it appears to me. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Here is another example of how the pendulum swings both ways (from an earlier thread):
Report: Hillary Clinton Big Money Donor Wanted for Grand Theft
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton
A Democratic fundraiser who has raised $1 million for presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says he has done nothing wrong and has asked no favors in return, but Norman Hsu didn't mention that he's a wanted man.
A California prosecutor says Hsu pleaded no contest to grand theft, was sentenced to three years in prison and then disappeared, The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295031,00.html
What is going on with these Democrats? Fieger indicted for illegal campaign contributions to Edwards. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164964.0
Married L.A. mayor sleeping with a news reporter who covers him. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157718.0
S.F. mayor sleeping with his campaign manager's wife. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123851.0
Married New Jersey mayor having homosexual affair. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/12/mcgreevey.nj/
Member of Congress accepting bribes. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152739.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=165554.0
That's a nice diversion.
How do you explain Bush's using the ENRON Jet 14 times for campaigning and claiming he'd never heard of Ken Lay--Enron's CEO?
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For you to not see any working connection between the men:
*Federal Election records would have to be wrong: An analysis of Federal Election Commission records shows that Bush-Cheney paid Enron roughly $60,000 for use of its jet during the campaign. Federal rules permit such use, as long as the campaigns reimburse the company for the cost of a first-class plane ticket—a major bargain, considering corporate jets cost at least $1,000 per flight hour, not including other charges.
http://www.opensecrets.org/newsletter/ce74/flying.asp
*Political Donations would have to be anonymous b/c ENRON was Bush's single largest contributor to his 2 terms as gov. of texas: an Austin-based non-profit research group, found in a January 2000 study that Enron was the biggest corporate supporter of Bush’s 1994 and 1998 gubernatorial campaigns in Texas, with its employees contributing more than $312,000 during the two races. Of that total, Enron chief Kenneth Lay contributed $100,000, making him one of the most generous individual contributors to Bush on the state level. http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/enron_other.asp
How totally insulated would Bush have to be to not know who Ken Lay was?
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That's a nice diversion.
How do you explain Bush's using the ENRON Jet 14 times for campaigning and claiming he'd never heard of Ken Lay--Enron's CEO?
What I did was provide examples of illegality, corruption, and misconduct that affects Democrats. I understand why you won't touch those. It would interfere with this partisan tactic.
Where is the quote from Bush "claiming he'd never heard of Ken Lay"?
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For you to not see any working connection between the men:
*Federal Election records would have to be wrong: An analysis of Federal Election Commission records shows that Bush-Cheney paid Enron roughly $60,000 for use of its jet during the campaign. Federal rules permit such use, as long as the campaigns reimburse the company for the cost of a first-class plane ticket—a major bargain, considering corporate jets cost at least $1,000 per flight hour, not including other charges.
http://www.opensecrets.org/newsletter/ce74/flying.asp
*Political Donations would have to be anonymous b/c ENRON was Bush's single largest contributor to his 2 terms as gov. of texas: an Austin-based non-profit research group, found in a January 2000 study that Enron was the biggest corporate supporter of Bush’s 1994 and 1998 gubernatorial campaigns in Texas, with its employees contributing more than $312,000 during the two races. Of that total, Enron chief Kenneth Lay contributed $100,000, making him one of the most generous individual contributors to Bush on the state level. http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/enron_other.asp
How totally insulated would Bush have to be to not know who Ken Lay was?
Again, and? Big deal. Are you trying to establish Bush lied about knowing Ken Lay (see my previous question) or are you trying to establish Bush made policy to benefit Enron based on campaign contributions?
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let's not forget the bulk of the Enron evidence being moved to World Trade 7 a few weeks before the attacks. It was destroyed. It happened to be the bulk of the evidence against Lay. Once he was declared dead, the judge dismissed the case anyway for lack of evidence. He would have walked anyway.
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What I did was provide examples of illegality, corruption, and misconduct that affects Democrats. I understand why you won't touch those. It would interfere with this partisan tactic.
Where is the quote from Bush "claiming he'd never heard of Ken Lay"?
I guess I was wrong. I apologize.
Here's President Bush identifying who Ken Lay was:
"He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994. And she had named him the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in place, just for the sake of continuity."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020110-1.html
See, he was a supporter of the democrat.
That figures. Boy was I wrong about the president.
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let's not forget the bulk of the Enron evidence being moved to World Trade 7 a few weeks before the attacks. It was destroyed. It happened to be the bulk of the evidence against Lay. Once he was declared dead, the judge dismissed the case anyway for lack of evidence. He would have walked anyway.
240, Ken Lay was found Guilty on All Counts. Lay died as he was awaiting sentencing, A judge then vacated Lay's conviction.
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240, Ken Lay was found Guilty on All Counts. Lay died as he was awaiting sentencing, A judge then vacated Lay's conviction.
Noooo. Not the facts again. :)
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Well, we can lay a lot of scandals and lies at the feet of all US Administrations.....just happens that Bush tops the list is all.
I won't even get into the bullshit I saw when I was on 3 different Caribbean Basin Counter-Drug Op deployments.
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Well, we can lay a lot of scandals and lies at the feet of all US Administrations.....just happens that Bush tops the list is all.
I won't even get into the bullshit I saw when I was on 3 different Caribbean Basin Counter-Drug Op deployments.
Not even close. And if you saw something yet don't contribute to the discussion then you don't have much to offer do you?
C'mon, spill it!!