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Obama was just on TV talking about the situation in Iraq, he's fucking clueless.
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Obama was just on TV talking about the situation in Iraq, he's fucking clueless.
He dropped food to Christians stranded in the mountains by ISIS and authorized Airstrikes against them.
Any problems with that???
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He dropped food to Christians stranded in the mountains by ISIS and authorized Airstrikes against them.
Any problems with that???
Other than the fact the only reason he had to do a food drop and authorize strikes is because of his massive failure in Iraq? No.
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Lets be real lraq was a failure from the get go.should have stayed right the fuck out of there
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Iraq was poorly planned and executed, but then the surge worked. The country was stable when the president pulled all of our troops out, in direct opposition to what the military recommended, and the pullout wasted all of the gains we made.
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So we keep troops there forever ,great plan
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Other than the fact the only reason he had to do a food drop and authorize strikes is because of his massive failure in Iraq? No.
great point
he should have stopped Bush from signing the status of forces agreement (officially called : Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
Way to go Obama
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So we keep troops there forever ,great plan
We keep some troops behind indefinitely, just like Germany and South Korea. Great plan.
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We keep some troops behind indefinitely, just like Germany and South Korea. Great plan.
Yeah, WTF were Bush/Cheney thinking?
Why didn't Senator Obama stop them?
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011
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Better plan say out and save 4000 lifes and a couple trillion dollars,bushes nation building ::)
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Better plan say out and save 4000 lifes and a couple trillion dollars,bushes nation building ::)
Except that ship had sailed when Obama took office.
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Thats right he took over georgie boys fuck up
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Thats right he took over georgie boys fuck up
No, he took over a successful surge as president that he said (as a senator) would not only fail, but would increase violence.
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Incidentally, that is one of the reasons I voted against him in 2008. During his interview with O'Reilly he refused to admit that he was wrong about the surge. A leadership flaw (inability to admit mistakes). I'm sorry I was right about him. :-\
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Brahahaha iraq was never going to end up a success,you live in a dream world
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Brahahaha iraq was never going to end up a success,you live in a dream world
The surge worked. You can argue against history, but you're going to lose. :)
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You realize the surge was going to be temporary bushes nation building was never going to work
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We keep some troops behind indefinitely, just like Germany and South Korea. Great plan.
Germany and SK quite a bit different. Stupid plan and silly comparison.
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The surge worked. You can argue against history, but you're going to lose. :)
Long term? NOT
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You realize the surge was going to be temporary bushes nation building was never going to work
The surge was only supposed to be temporary, but the point is it worked. The country was stable. We were done nation building. They had a government in place. They needed our security assistance. Packing up and going home was a terrible thing to do.
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Germany and SK quite a bit different. Stupid plan and silly comparison.
Looks the same to me. And it wasn't my idea or comparison. Heard senior military folks talk about it, and they recommended it. I agree with them.
And unfortunately, they were right. One division, or even a brigade or two could have prevented what is happening now. The failure to leave troops in place, as we did in Germany and South Korea, resulted in the current situation, which as one old vet told me looks pretty similar to what happened in Vietnam.
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Long term? NOT
It worked long term, because we stopped the insurgency and dramatically decreased violence, which allowed us to draw down.
Is it working today? Obviously not because our Commander in Chief is a failure.
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Looks the same to me. And it wasn't my idea or comparison. Heard senior military folks talk about it, and they recommended it. I agree with them.
And unfortunately, they were right. One division, or even a brigade or two could have prevented what is happening now. The failure to leave troops in place, as we did in Germany and South Korea, resulted in the current situation, which as one old vet told me looks pretty similar to what happened in Vietnam.
Lol. ::)
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It worked long term, because we stopped the insurgency and dramatically decreased violence, which allowed us to draw down.
Is it working today? Obviously not because our Commander in Chief is a failure.
It didn't work long term. Iraq is destabilising.
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The surge worked. You can argue against history, but you're going to lose. :)
It "worked" largely because we gave the Sunni militias their guns back after the retards in charge disarmed the Baathists and caused the original problems in Iraq
I think this week the Sunni militias are the Bad Guys but it's getting hard to keep up.
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He dropped food to Christians stranded in the mountains by ISIS and authorized Airstrikes against them.
Any problems with that???
Right. ::) Funny thing, that he couldn't air strike ISIS while they were travelling from town to town butchering people. If only they had some jets, drones, or satellites to track these guys while they travelled in a convoy miles long on main roads. Maybe, it's because they armed these maniacs in Syria in the first place and they're the ones running them so they can now try topple the guy in power in Iraq because he's not being the puppet they wanted.
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Obama was just on TV talking about the situation in Iraq, he's fucking clueless lying.
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The surge was only supposed to be temporary, but the point is it worked. The country was stable. We were done nation building. They had a government in place. They needed our security assistance. Packing up and going home was a terrible thing to do.
that's the problem everything we did over there was going to be temporary,from the surge to nation building.you can't go in and decide what a country wants, they have to do that for themselves.let me guess you also believed this was all going to be paid for with oil money :D how did that turn out for you :D :D
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Other than the fact the only reason he had to do a food drop and authorize strikes is because of his massive failure in Iraq? No.
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He was warned numerous times about not leaving a small residuary force in Iraq that something like Isis was going to take over and he ignored said warning for political reasons. He inhereited a STABLE Iraq as he himself campaigned on - but not due to his radicalism and incompetence - like everything else he ever goes near - it turns to absolute garbage.
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He was warned numerous times about not leaving a small residuary force in Iraq that something like Isis was going to take over and he ignored said warning for political reasons. He inhereited a STABLE Iraq as he himself campaigned on - but not due to his radicalism and incompetence - like everything else he ever goes near - it turns to absolute garbage.
we had a couple hundred thousand troops there, that's your idea of a STABLE Iraq brahahahhahaha
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we had a couple hundred thousand troops there, that's your idea of a STABLE Iraq brahahahhahaha
False
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Other than the fact the only reason he had to do a food drop and authorize strikes is because of his massive failure in Iraq? No.
Iraq is a failure because we went over there and destabilized the government and its militaryfor no reason. Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction.
Regardless as to who the President is, we'll be dealing with this shit for another decade at least
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Iraq is a failure because we went over there and destabilized the government and its militaryfor no reason. Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction.
Regardless as to who the President is, we'll be dealing with this shit for another decade at least
hey hey how dare you say that,fox didn't report that ;D
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hey hey how dare you say that,fox didn't report that ;D
Chuckle....Iraq was stable when Saddam was running things. Now you see why Uday was forcing some of those guys to kick a cement soccer ball around. Shit stayed in check because Saddam didn't fuck around with people and chopped heads off.
Since then, Iraq has not been stable..even after the surge. That's what happens when you let the inmates run free. The Iraqi people need to grow some balls, go down the road and start chopping heads off and gutting them like cattle. Once they do that, it will get stable
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Obama was just on TV talking about the situation in Iraq, he's fucking clueless.
You are an Islamist kneepadder Kazan.
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that's the problem everything we did over there was going to be temporary,from the surge to nation building.you can't go in and decide what a country wants, they have to do that for themselves.let me guess you also believed this was all going to be paid for with oil money :D how did that turn out for you :D :D
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Looks the same to me. And it wasn't my idea or comparison. Heard senior military folks talk about it, and they recommended it. I agree with them.
And unfortunately, they were right. One division, or even a brigade or two could have prevented what is happening now. The failure to leave troops in place, as we did in Germany and South Korea, resulted in the current situation, which as one old vet told me looks pretty similar to what happened in Vietnam.
Ahhahahaa you really live in a fantasy world BB
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LMFAO
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It didn't work long term. Iraq is destabilising.
lol. What?? Iraq is destabilizing because we pulled all our troops out against the advice of military leaders? Go figure . . . lol
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It "worked" largely because we gave the Sunni militias their guns back after the retards in charge disarmed the Baathists and caused the original problems in Iraq
I think this week the Sunni militias are the Bad Guys but it's getting hard to keep up.
We certainly get in bed with the devil on a regular basis. :-\
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that's the problem everything we did over there was going to be temporary,from the surge to nation building.you can't go in and decide what a country wants, they have to do that for themselves.let me guess you also believed this was all going to be paid for with oil money :D how did that turn out for you :D :D
It should have been paid for with oil money. Too bad it wasn't.
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He was warned numerous times about not leaving a small residuary force in Iraq that something like Isis was going to take over and he ignored said warning for political reasons. He inhereited a STABLE Iraq as he himself campaigned on - but not due to his radicalism and incompetence - like everything else he ever goes near - it turns to absolute garbage.
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LMFAO
One Big *** Mistake America.
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As an aside, ...it wasn't the troop surge that did it, ...it was the cash injection.
They began bribing paying the various combatant groups to stop fighting each other, or kicking USA tush.
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You are an Islamist kneepadder Kazan.
The world of whork where 2+2= banana
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As an aside, ...it wasn't the troop surge that did it, ...it was the cash injection.
They began bribing paying the various combatant groups to stop fighting each other, or kicking USA tush.
Kicking US tush, what the fuck are you yapping about? The canadian loony is back ::)
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Other than the fact the only reason he had to do a food drop and authorize strikes is because of his massive failure in Iraq? No.
HIS massive failure in Iraq? lol, it's been a clusterfck since day one. Yes, there are going to be some uprisings. Yes, he followed the bush SOFA plan, didn't he?
if anything, i'm suprised we haven't had to do MORE of these interventions into this lawless ass country.
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Kicking US tush, what the fuck are you yapping about? The canadian loony is back ::)
Even a stopped brain can be right twice a day, the surge coincided with the adoption of the strategy of bribing mullahs and militias (in Afghanistan they buy them Viagra) to stop attacking US troops. Pre 'surge' the casualties were getting so high even the MSM couldn't keep pretending nothing was happening.
If the idiots in charge hadn't disarmed and disenfranchised the Baathists after 'mission accomplished' then there wouldn't have been an insurgency in the first place.
If we didn't need to rub our collective Freedom cocks in the faces of the world we should have just kept Saddam in the first place, China does GREAT by bribing local dictators and militias and their people don't GAF about the locals getting repressed in shithole 3rd world countries as long as China keeps making bank
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Even a stopped brain can be right twice a day, the surge coincided with the adoption of the strategy of bribing mullahs and militias (in Afghanistan they buy them Viagra) to stop attacking US troops. Pre 'surge' the casualties were getting so high even the MSM couldn't keep pretending nothing was happening.
If the idiots in charge hadn't disarmed and disenfranchised the Baathists after 'mission accomplished' then there wouldn't have been an insurgency in the first place.
If we didn't need to rub our collective Freedom cocks in the faces of the world we should have just kept Saddam in the first place, China does GREAT by bribing local dictators and militias and their people don't GAF about the locals getting repressed
great point
Also Bush signed the Status of Forces agreement in 2008 that required us to withdraw all US forces by 12/31/2011.
Obama didn't exactly have strong public or congressional support to somehow override that and continue keeping any troops there, much less combat troops.
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011
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HIS massive failure in Iraq? lol, it's been a clusterfck since day one. Yes, there are going to be some uprisings. Yes, he followed the bush SOFA plan, didn't he?
if anything, i'm suprised we haven't had to do MORE of these interventions into this lawless ass country.
Wrong. Again.
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Even a stopped brain can be right twice a day, the surge coincided with the adoption of the strategy of bribing mullahs and militias (in Afghanistan they buy them Viagra) to stop attacking US troops. Pre 'surge' the casualties were getting so high even the MSM couldn't keep pretending nothing was happening.
If the idiots in charge hadn't disarmed and disenfranchised the Baathists after 'mission accomplished' then there wouldn't have been an insurgency in the first place.
If we didn't need to rub our collective Freedom cocks in the faces of the world we should have just kept Saddam in the first place, China does GREAT by bribing local dictators and militias and their people don't GAF about the locals getting repressed in shithole 3rd world countries as long as China keeps making bank
I will have to agree with some of what you wrote, the problem with the US waging war, is we don't do it to win. There is always some half ass'd containment strategy or winning the hearts and minds horse shit.
The US wants to win, crush the enemy, then destroy their will to fight. seemed to work just fine in WWI and WWII.
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I will have to agree with some of what you wrote, the problem with the US waging war, is we don't do it to win. There is always some half ass'd containment strategy or winning the hearts and minds horse shit.
The US wants to win, crush the enemy, then destroy their will to fight. seemed to work just fine in WWI and WWII.
problem is after we 'win' what happens next?
wed need a permanent massive standing army and secret police to ensure the locals didn't rebel and even that wouldn't work. Imagine if China invaded the US, would we all just say ok bro we give up, have our resources?
the cheapest approach by far is to shore up the local dictators, the problem is the ones we used to back as 'reformers' started becoming BFF with Russia and we cant have that
The US has destroyed several countries in the last decade, there's no way Libya, Syria, Iraq will ever be anything but Somalia-like shitholes now. There's no money to rebuild and a generation has grown up knowing nothing but war - and the hardline Islam that wasn't there before now is in charge.
We get even more fucked as the white guilt progressives make us take in millions of refugees from these countries and pay their way, none of whom will do shit for improving the US (See all the Somali criminals we have now, throwing fund raisers for Terrorists back home and scamming the system for everything they can get)
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Reading this thread puts everything into perspective.
I agree that the Iraq war was a terrible idea. But that ship sailed 10 years ago. Revisionist history doesn't change the fact that our fuck up and Chief is the sole reason why Iraq has descended into utter chaos.
The bottom line is this, when GW left office, Iraq was in fine shape. The war was won. Maliki asked for some residual forces to remain for security purposes. Obama refused. The moment we left, all hell broke loose-- largely because, as someone pointed out-- we armed the Libyan rebels and the Syrian rebels contrary to US interests and for no apparent reason. Now, US weaponry is being used to butcher Iraqis.
Meanwhile, Obama's foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster in every possible sense. From imaginary red lines with Syria to the disastrous Libya invasion and Benghazi to the Ukraine debacle, America's impotent reaction to the nightmarish Arab Spring, the Bergdahl prisoner swap, the collapse of our Southern Border, etc. etc.-- the list is practically endless.
Blaming the current Iraqi situation on GW Bush absolves the Obama Administration from basic competency. Which is par for the course with respect to half the idiots who post on this site. Apparently, the mindless affirmative action buffoon running (ruining) the country should be judged on a permanent learning curve. In the end, Obama truly represents his "community."