Like Atomic already said- the orals will show quick gains for me (or water retention really) when I stack dbol with Test. I love dbol!! I wish I could stay on it forever, but I only get 1 liver, so I have to take care of it, I guess, damnit.
Dbol gets me pumped and really keeps me motivated until I can start seeing the effects of the Test.
I do know guys that don't take any orals with their cycles, but I know more that do.