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Heath has made a major splash in the last few weeks. Better than any pro in recent years. Now that he is qualified for the O, the question burns in everyone's head.
Can Dexter STOP Heath? The answer might be NO!
Heath: 5'9"
Dex: 5'5"
Shawn is tossing around the fact that Heath will be in a top 3 spot. that means Dex OUT and heath IN.
Pre prediction:
Ronnie
Jay
Heath?
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The only person that can beat Phil Heath right now besides Ronnie is Jay. By 2008 when Ronnie retires Phil will have closed that gap...Mr. Olympia 2008=Phil Heath
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He can make top 3. Lets see if he can roll into the Olympia on that tidal wave first. He is damn impressive but its rough doin other shows then trying to peak for the Olympia. Ronnie 2001. Cutler 2003,2004. And he is a rookie to some extent.
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Heath has made a major splash in the last few weeks. Better than any pro in recent years. Now that he is qualified for the O, the question burns in everyone's head.
Can Dexter STOP Heath? The answer might be NO!
Heath: 5'9"
Dex: 5'5"
Shawn is tossing around the fact that Heath will be in a top 3 spot. that means Dex OUT and heath IN.
Pre prediction:
Ronnie
Jay
Heath?
No, Heath is signed with AMI, Dex is MD, you do the math.
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Dex can retire now. Now more "Fix your broken camera, kid" for him.
Heath is just in but he looks way better.
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Dex can take Heath right now. With all these close calls with Darrem and Heath we all know that Dexter can smoke Darrem. Dex really has no weak point except for his height.
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Dexter can't beat Heath. Not with those high lats and never looking any different from show to show
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Dex can take Heath right now. With all these close calls with Darrem and Heath we all know that Dexter can smoke Darrem. Dex really has no weak point except for his height.
and his reverse belly taper
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Dex will own him for now.But it should be a good battle next year.
Gustavo ,Markus,Gunter,James all can easily take him down too if they come sharp.
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The only way Phil Heath beats Dexter is through politics. Plain and simple. Because toe to toe on a bodybuilding stage, Heath just doesn't cut it against the Dex-Factor.
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How do you figure that????
Health has him on all bodyparts excluding chest...
Dex has an A taper and is 5 foot 2
Conditioning goes to Dexter but health is plenty ripped. It really wont even be close once health adds a bit more size.
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Dexter can't beat Heath. Not with those high lats and never looking any different from show to show
Are you kidding? Heath is currently one of my favorite bodybuilders, but he hasnt gone up against the best caliber there is in bodybuilding right now. Both wins were close as hell calls with Darrem and Darrem is a notch below the big guys (Dex, Gustavo, Jay, Ronnie)
in case you forgot what dex looks like
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That doesent mean shit..... Dexter is short.... really short... Phil is optimul height with comparable or better body parts.
Health has the better taper.... Dex has him on conditioning but that is it.
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Heath has the potential to be better than Dexter but he's not right now.
However Dexter is not doing the Olympia, so third place for Phil sounds about right.
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Heath will steam roll GHustavo! Dex might give him a reality slap. But i don't think the
Bleeders Weiders will let Goonter lose his top 5-6 spot.
The rivalry between Darrem and Heath has begun.
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Heath has the potential to be better than Dexter but he's not right now.
However Dexter is not doing the Olympia, so third place for Phil sounds about right.
Yeah Ill agree with that for sure. Heath definitely has amazing potential, but as of now he wouldnt be able to beat dexter. If he beat him next year I wouldnt be surprised. Like Heath, Jackson has got some big guns himself. Its a pretty close call on the front but when they turn around dex has the edge.
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How do you figure that????
Health has him on all bodyparts excluding chest...
Dex has an A taper and is 5 foot 2
Conditioning goes to Dexter but health is plenty ripped. It really wont even be close once health adds a bit more size.
All body parts??? Dex has a better back double bi and lat spread for sure
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That doesent mean shit..... Dexter is short.... really short... Phil is optimul height with comparable or better body parts.
Health has the better taper.... Dex has him on conditioning but that is it.
True that, plus Heath has Dexter on quad separation and Heath actually has CALVES. Dexter will never have them. I say it's hands down Heath all the way.
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You guys are acting like you forgot what dexter looks like. You cant beat somebody just because you have better calves. Front is the close, Back goes to Dex, Conditioning is close but that goes to dexter, simple as that
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That doesent mean shit..... Dexter is short.... really short... Phil is optimul height with comparable or better body parts.
Health has the better taper.... Dex has him on conditioning but that is it.
Dex has beat tons of taller guys like Jay and Kevin
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I BELIEVE DEX IS A LITTLE MORE POLISHED! HE'S FAMOUS FOR HIS CONDITION AND LINES,,I THINK HEATH WILL HAVE A HARD TIME WITH DEX! DEX HAS PRETTY MUCH TOPPED THEM ALL (EXCEPT RONNIE), AND WHEN BEATEN,,IT WAS ALWAYS QUESTIONABLE !?
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Ok, let's toss this around.
Shawn at 26 vs. Heath at 26?
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You guys are acting like you forgot what dexter looks like. You cant beat somebody just because you have better calves. Front is the close, Back goes to Dex, Conditioning is close but that goes to dexter, simple as that
hey rambone, where is that first pic from? i think heath has some work to do before he takes out dexter. heath is riding momentum, so hes liable to place in the top 5. but my guess is that he replaces gustavo for now.
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hey rambone, where is that first pic from? i think heath has some work to do before he takes out dexter. heath is riding momentum, so hes liable to place in the top 5. but my guess is that he replaces gustavo for now.
I think its from the 2005 arnold classic
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Heath has made a major splash in the last few weeks. Better than any pro in recent years. Now that he is qualified for the O, the question burns in everyone's head.
Can Dexter STOP Heath? The answer might be NO!
Heath: 5'9"
Dex: 5'5"
Shawn is tossing around the fact that Heath will be in a top 3 spot. that means Dex OUT and heath IN.
Pre prediction:
Ronnie
Jay
Heath?
Dexter is 5'6 not 5'5 (not a big difference) but guess what, he weighs the same come contest time. Just look at the list of competitors Dex has beaten in the past and compare to Phil. You guys cant make huge assumptions that Heath can take on Dex right now. Dex wasnt even in his best form when he won no contest at the arnold classic which is the 2nd best show and lets see who he beat:
2 Branch Warren
3 Victor Martinez
4 Gustavo Badell
5 Melvin Anthony
6 Lee Priest
7 Mustafa Mohammad
8 Darrem Charles
9 Toney Freeman
10 Troy Alves
11 David Henry
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what did heath weigh in at?
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he think he was 218-220, I could be wrong.
I think heat would beat dexter with only 10 more pounds and better conditionning.
Phil has monster potential
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what did heath weigh in at?
I could be wrong, it said 215 contest on his site but it looks like it hasnt been updated in a year
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The olympia is still far far away, Heath has some time to bring his size and chest up.
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Dex says he weighs in at 225. True or not true. If he is only 5'6", then pound for pound he'd beat heath anyday of the week.
don't get me wrong...Dexter is SICK! heath has what it takes to be just as SICK. should be interesting in the next year or so.
Someone said Dex ISN'T dong the Olympia this year?
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When will you people learn? NOTHING STOPS THE HEATH!
NOTHING STOPS THE HEATH!
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Dex says he weighs in at 225. True or not true. If he is only 5'6", then pound for pound he'd beat heath anyday of the week.
don't get me wrong...Dexter is SICK! heath has what it takes to be just as SICK. should be interesting in the next year or so.
Someone said Dex ISN'T dong the Olympia this year?
Yeah I think I underestimated Dexter's weight a little. I think Heath will be a better pro, but Im just putting up the argument that Heath currently cant beat Dex like some of these guys are saying.
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HEATH IS UNSTOPPABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dex is a great pro. Health is better. Plain and simple. Health has everything Dex has plus calves a better taper,better arms and 3 inches in hight...
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Dex is a great pro. Health is better. Plain and simple. Health has everything Dex has plus calves a better taper,better arms and 3 inches in hight...
i dunno... if dex comes in shreaded than he is almost unstopable
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I think Heath can absorb protein at a faster rate than Dexter. Thus making him superior by constantly being in an anabolic state. i guess it comes down to who is more anabolic vs catabolic.
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Dex is a great pro. Health is better. Plain and simple. Health has everything Dex has plus calves a better taper,better arms and 3 inches in hight...
Heath does not have everything Dex has. And his name is "Heath" not "Health", get his name right if youre going to preach like he's better than the 3rd best bodybuilder in the world. Its basically saying Darrem can take Dex which we all know would never happen.
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These past 2 shows have been extremely close calls. And now you guys say he should be at #3, give me a break. He will be, hes just not there currently
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Listen pal I am typing on a sidekick mobile phone so cut me some slack with the spelling....
Further more I repsect youre opinion mine is just different. I think Dex is overated much the same as you prob think certain pros are overated also.
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I think Heath can absorb protein at a faster rate than Dexter. Thus making him superior by constantly being in an anabolic state. i guess it comes down to who is more anabolic vs catabolic.
what is your basis for this hilarious claim??? ::) ::) ::)
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Dex is a great pro. Health is better. Plain and simple. Health has everything Dex has plus calves a better taper,better arms and 3 inches in hight...
Heath does have awesome arms and he edges out dex there, but its still pretty damn close. Yes, he has better calves but I think Dex would work Heath when they turned around on stage and did their back bi and lat spread, the back is half the body. Shoulders, abs, legs, theyre all close calls, Dexter's conditioning is silly.....
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Listen pal I am typing on a sidekick mobile phone so cut me some slack with the spelling....
Further more I repsect youre opinion mine is just different. I think Dex is overated much the same as you prob think certain pros are overated also.
Alright, Ill cut you some slack there. All it is Im trying to say is that you claim that heath works dex in almost every muscle which isnt true. Some of theese are too close to call, but the ones that stick out in my mind that dex beats him in is back, chest, and overall conditioning
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IMO........it's a good thing DEX won the Arnold this year, because if Heath enters next year it's LIGHTS OUT.
HEATH has a MUCH better physique than DEX, it's clear as day to the human eye.
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Alright, Ill cut you some slack there. All it is Im trying to say is that you claim that heath works dex in almost every muscle which isnt true. Some of theese are too close to call, but the ones that stick out in my mind that dex beats him in is back, chest, and overall conditioning
I agree with you on overall conditioning Dex wins hands down. You make valid points. We will agree to disagree
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IMO........it's a good thing DEX won the Arnold this year, because if Heath enters next year it's LIGHTS OUT.
HEATH has a MUCH better physique than DEX, it's clear as day to the human eye.
So that pretty much means you think Heath can beat Dexter Jackson, Branch Warren, Victor Martinez, Gustavo Badell, Gunter, and Melvin Anthony right now with no problem? He would be dwarfed in this line up. He would be going up against alot of guys with good backs which isnt darrem's strong point but I think he still edged that one out on heath. Heath needs thickness to his back bad. I believe and Im glad Heath won both contest, but guess what guys he BARELY won. It wasnt exactly an Arnold Classic line up
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I agree with you on overall conditioning Dex wins hands down. You make valid points. We will agree to disagree
Sounds good to me, you made some good points too. I dont want to keep going and start sounding like an as*hole.
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Not taking anything away from Heath, but the line up for boths show were pretty weak. Darrem is showing signs of age. legs are getting smaller. It would be interesting to see heath up against a strong AC line up.
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Not taking anything away from Heath, but the line up for boths show were pretty weak. Darrem is showing signs of age. legs are getting smaller. It would be interesting to see heath up against a strong AC line up.
Those were his 2 first show, nobody would start at the Arnold !
right now, Phil can't take dexter. he needs little improvements. But watch out next year if he skip the O and goes on to win the Ironman and the ASC :o
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i think martinez in shape can beat heath
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if he can bring up his condition, legs and waist, then yes
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from the front they look the same, from the back dex wins.
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haha Heat and Martinez are both my favorites bbers so I think the 2 of them could beat each other if they are "on"
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omg i cant believe that this thread exists.
heath is good, but not that good..yet, perhaps never.
Dex has Heath beat...Darrem and Heath will place next to each other at least for a while.
Dex should be mr.o right now as he has the best physique walking the planet.
those claiming heath as better physique than Dex need some glasses and medication.
i would say that it is arguable that heath is better than jay and ronnie though...both ugly physiques. (now)
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Id rathat have Phil's physique than Dexter's anyday!!
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Heath already beat dexter. In my mind. :)
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Heath has tons of growing and maturing to go but Dex seems to have peaked out already and i don't see him making any vast improvements anytime in this life. Point is Dex would obiviously beat hime now but wait a few more years and people may be sayin Dex who??
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dex and vic martinez will be guest posing in 2 weeks at the jersey,im curious to see what kind of shape theyre in,ill take aton of pics anyway and post them up for the vic and dex fans and whoever wants to scope them out
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by the time this thread is over Dexter is going to be less than 4 feet tall, and for all those that say he is a midget he is a few inches bigger than Lee Priest. I think that Phil is going to be big in a few years but he has not earned his dues yet i predict a possible (REALISTIC) placing of somewhere between 7-12 at the olympia this year. If he chooses to do it
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Heath will and should become a GREAT pro. As of now Dexter is better. You are forgetting Dex beat a slightly off Chris Cormier, whom a lot consider to be one of the best pros if he's on, at the 05 Arnold Classic.
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When will you people learn? NOTHING STOPS THE HEATH!
NOTHING STOPS THE HEATH!
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Dex is definitely better now. We'll see if that remains true.
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Dex can take Heath right now. With all these close calls with Darrem and Heath we all know that Dexter can smoke Darrem. Dex really has no weak point except for his height.
Yeah, other than his A taper (high jutting lats), lack of calves, and gut, I agree his only flaw is his height.
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Yeah, other than his A taper (high jutting lats), lack of calves, and gut, I agree his only flaw is his height.
He can control his gut alot better than most of the pros out there and he has brought his lats down a good amount. Yeah, calves really win shows. 2 time Arnold champ and 3rd in the world has so many weak points.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=73160.0;attach=80507;image)
AMazing...simply amazing.... :o
Anyone know why he doesnt compete in the MR O?
???
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=73160.0;attach=80507;image)
AMazing...simply amazing.... :o
Anyone know why he doesnt compete in the MR O?
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Yeah.....thats really an A-taper.......those lats look fine to me
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Maybe because a derranged psychopath is bent on an ass rapping quest? Hera... c... l... e...s :-X
Alexxx, if you keep talking like this.... :-\
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by the time this thread is over Dexter is going to be less than 4 feet tall, and for all those that say he is a midget he is a few inches bigger than Lee Priest. I think that Phil is going to be big in a few years but he has not earned his dues yet i predict a possible (REALISTIC) placing of somewhere between 7-12 at the olympia this year. If he chooses to do it
earned his dues ? Are you a moron? two first places on the pro level in a row name that last pro to do that i bet it was levrone top 5 at the oolympis without a doubt
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earned his dues ? Are you a moron? two first places on the pro level in a row name that last pro to do that i bet it was levrone top 5 at the oolympis without a doubt
He hasn't competed long enough to earn his dues.
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Dexter might be a little worried at this point. the heathster is coming on strong.
Power down Dex, power down.
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I think Heath can absorb protein at a faster rate than Dexter. Thus making him superior by constantly being in an anabolic state. i guess it comes down to who is more anabolic vs catabolic.
classic
It is official, I have heard it all
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if u put a gun to my head and made me put forth 10 grand to bet on this, i'd have to go with Dexter Jackson. Phil Heath has very little size advantage over Darrem Charles, and if you remember past Olympias Darrem always looked significantly smaller than even the second-tier guys. The Olympia is a display of size, and Phil Heath for all his awesome body will look lost among the big boys. Dexter is considered a small guy but he has some freaky body parts that will exploit Phil Heath's unpolishness.
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Get a grap! Phil was picked by the judges over Charles who doesnt have a top 6 finish in an O or Arnold. If Phil had been placed over Cormier in 2 shows, then Dex might have a lot to think about. Phil 5-7 at the O if does the show this year
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earned his dues ? Are you a moron? two first places on the pro level in a row name that last pro to do that i bet it was levrone top 5 at the oolympis without a doubt
welllllll....not to be a dick but the last guy I think that did that was Mike Fransios-I know I spelled the last name wrong but you know who I'm talking about...he won his first 4 pro shows and went on to pretty unspectacular Olympia showings...
I'll say this, I didn't think Willmore was gonna be any good as a pro, I didn't think Cook was gonna be any good and I went on record here and at a couple of other sites saying this but I think Heath has a good shot at being one of the top guys. Lately I've felt that alot of new pro's who recieve alot of hype, especially since they introduced the super heavy division did not deserve the hype they got but heath is probably the best guy to come along in along time. He has the kind of body that will do well as a pro, very complete.
I don't think he can beat dex just yet, Dex is about as good as he can get...it will be really interesting to see how this plays out in the next few months...
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i like heath`s look more than dexter`s
but dexter is definetaly bigger,a lot bigger
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=56995.0
Wow, someone else's opinion with a couple pictures of him slipping and not controling his gut. I stand corrected.......
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=56995.0
Found this pic from the link, it basically shows how bad dex would work heath with his back. I never said his gut didnt exist, almost all pros have them. Dex's gut is small compared to Ronnie's huge gut yet he is mr. olympia. You guys are caught up in the winning of 2 smaller, pro shows in a row. Dex works heath right now, but Heath will be the main man in the future
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YA EXPECT TOO MUCH TOO SOON FOR HEATH, JACSON WILL TAKE HIM TO SCHOOL ANYTIME NOW, HEATH HAS MORE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE
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in another thread, it has jones against heath. I really like jones's physique but i don't think jones can handle heath right now. BUT Dexter is probably the only one besides Ronnie and Jay that can stop the heathster.
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in another thread, it has jones against heath. I really like jones's physique but i don't think jones can handle heath right now. BUT Dexter is probably the only one besides Ronnie and Jay that can stop the heathster.
Your an idiot plain and simple :o
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I dont get this! Phil won two shows against Charles who hasnt placed top 6 in the O or A. Would he have won if Dex, Chris, Ruhl or possibly Lee had shown up in shape to pick up a quick cheque in a lite lineup. And dont say Phil has better structure than Chris Cormier. Nice showing so far for Phil and good luck in the future if he can get a 5-6 spot in this upcoming O. And of course Shawn will push him... it helps his show in the end.
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Your an idiot plain and simple :o
now now, play nice
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Yeah, Dext is amazing...I think its pretty sneaky/wise how hes laying low from the Mr 0, and just making fans and judges crave/want to see him up there..I have a feeling if this is ROnnies last year, Dexter will be up there next year..
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Re: Take a look at your Jr. Nationals Top contender...
« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2005, 07:52:59 PM »
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Phil is good, actually great - but he aint the Matawan Muscle Machine baby! BOOM BOOM BOOM!
Mo Elbasouni
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did he really say that?
oh my god,lol
on mayhem?
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No he said that here on getbig before the Juniors last year :o
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Yeah his mouth was big. Unfortunately a lot of the statements he made cant be found on the threads. Lift started a thread with some pics of phil posing in a singlet outside around juniors last year and Mo started talking smack.
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mo has nothing on phil
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How do you figure that????
Health has him on all bodyparts excluding chest...
Dex has an A taper and is 5 foot 2
Conditioning goes to Dexter but health is plenty ripped. It really wont even be close once health adds a bit more size.
I just got in and read this....are you f*ckin kidding??? First of all, Heaths symmetry is totally off, his arms are different sizes, he is flat comapred to Dex...I could go on....What bodybuilding are YOU watching? Trust me, unless Phil figures out a way to fix his symmetry issues...Dex with slay him everytime. Come back with some REAL facts before you reply to this.
And Dex has an A taper? Are you retarded? Yes, I guess thats true....he has a big waist and tiny shoulders. Good call. Have you SEEN Dexter Jackson before?
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I just got in and read this....are you f*ckin kidding??? First of all, Heaths symmetry is totally off, his arms are different sizes, he is flat comapred to Dex...I could go on....What bodybuilding are YOU watching? Trust me, unless Phil figures out a way to fix his symmetry issues...Dex with slay him everytime. Come back with some REAL facts before you reply to this.
And Dex has an A taper? Are you retarded? Yes, I guess thats true....he has a big waist and tiny shoulders. Good call. Have you SEEN Dexter Jackson before?
hi dexter
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cant beat dexjax maybe in dreams but we live in reality. he will make top 12 in olympia and will place somewhere between 6 and 11.
ron, dexjax, jason, gustav, gunter, priest, chris in a good day, vic in a good day, marcus, even denis and branch are ahead. need to be +25lb
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mo has nothing on phil
2005 Junior Nationals
HeavyWeight
1 Phil Heath
2 Christopher Perticari
3 Erick Seng
4 David Dorsey
5 Darin Dudash
6 Eric Simpson
7 Reginald Anderson
8 Dylan Scheidler
9 Dean Gardner
10 Laymon Smith
11 Bill Willis
12 Rich DeCiccio
13 Joe Downs
14 Moslem Elbasouni
15 Robert Calin
- Adrian Dommas
- Chris Meadows
- Mark Podgorny
- Anthony Badejo
Dooooooooooooooooooooooo oh !
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LOL, you know its funny to see all of this 'hype' around Heath...
Yeah, he is great but since i frequent this site for some time, i already saw the same type of comments like 'top 3 at the O' or 'the next MR O' when other guys turned Pro...Johnnie Jackson and Victor Martinez just to name 2. For the last time it has been Branch Warren...
All of these guys are great, but i already know that the 'have to pay your dues' factor is something that always seems to act in those guys that are more new to the Pro ranks...
But one thing i agree, i rather see any of those guys mentioned (and Dexter too) getting 3rd at the O than the mighty 'natural' Badell... :-X
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LOL, you know its funny to see all of this 'hype' around Heath...
Yeah, he is great but since i frequent this site for some time, i already saw the same type of comments like 'top 3 at the O' or 'the next MR O' when other guys turned Pro...Johnnie Jackson and Victor Martinez just to name 2. For the last time it has been Branch Warren...
All of these guys are great, but i already know that the 'have to pay your dues' factor is something that always seems to act in those guys that are more new to the Pro ranks...
But one thing i agree, i rather see any of those guys mentioned (and Dexter too) getting 3rd at the O than the mighty 'natural' Badell... :-X
the " have to pay your dues" factor didn't stop the Heat !
NOTHING STOPS THE HEATH!
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