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Great freaking clip. Please one person dispute this.
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WWWWWWTTTTFFFFFF?
Cass Sunstein is married to Samantha Powers!
Ok, now i'm getting spooked.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:28vWvUXtEwsJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Power%20samantha%20powers%20sunstein&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
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you think i'm going to watch that retard for 40 minutes. i would rather sit in a chair and watch my toe nails grow ;D
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Yeah - god forbid you realize and learn the connections between all these freaks .
Samantha Powers & Sunstein are marred and she is the one who convinced bama to go to war and you dont think thats relevent?
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Yeah - god forbid you realize and learn the connections between all these freaks .
Samantha Powers & Sunstein are marred and she is the one who convinced bama to go to war and you dont think thats relevent?
Of course not. It interferes with the slurping process.
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I think the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island will be on tonight.
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I think the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island will be on tonight.
Really? Cool. That is still the best book i have read in the past 10 years bar none. I actually bought two extra copies for my house.
Probably the scariest book I have ever read.
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Great freaking clip. Please one person dispute this.
Great Video, thanks for posting it.
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Samantha Power: The Troubling Woman Behind The Curtain Of Obama’s Libya Policy
David Horowitz's NewsReal Blog ^ | March 23, 2011 | Chris Queen
President Obama’s actions involving Libya have been baffling at best. He did nothing for days. He talked about waiting to build a coalition for multilateral action. He downplayed the concept of regime change, yet one of the main objectives for engaging has been to get rid of Colonel Qaddafi. It’s been a strange couple of weeks for Obama in terms of his foreign policy, and there still hasn’t been a clear explanation for what we’re doing in Libya and why we’re doing it.
Much of the motivation behind Obama’s Libya policy stems from from the ideology of Samantha Power, the Irish-American, hard-Left humanitarian activist who has been the president’s Director for Multilateral Affairs at the National Security Council since 2009 (and, incidentally, the wife of Obama’s “Regulatory Czar” Cass Sunstein). Power is the woman behind the curtain in terms of Obama's policy on Libya, but a look at what she advocates reveals a troubling agenda.
Power has advocated a foreign policy that can easily be described as what Stanley Kurtz calls “humanitarian interventionist.” Power and other activists like her seek to build American foreign policy around merely stepping into situations in the name of preventing genocide and other humanitarian aims. This type of foreign policy relies heavily on international law and multilateralism. It is also the reason behind Obama’s actions in Libya and the timing of them. As Kurtz states:
Most of the commentary on Libya has focused on the tension between Obama’s apparent desire to displace Qaddafi and his reluctance to admit to it. But the chief reason for this intervention is the one that’s staring us in the face...
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His first point is kind of stupid. Buying oil from Brazil is no different than buying it from USA oil fields. America pays what the market dictates. Unfortunately there wasn't the foresight to nationalize our oil reserves and control the price for consumers at home.
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And for the record i still don't like offshore drilling. I think they haven't proven capable of averting disaster quick enough and that sadly another deepwater spill will happen.
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Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders
AP/Yahoo ^ | May 19, 2011 | uncredited
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is endorsing the Palestinians' demand for their future state to be based on the borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war, in a move that will likely infuriate Israel. Israel says the borders of a Palestinian state have to be determined through negotiations.
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Ok Obama - rot in hell with bin laden you disgusting communist puke.
Fuck you and share 72 virgins with obl for all I care.
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Fuck you obama, and every disgusting communist puke who supoorts you. You know who you are.
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Bombshell Speech: Obama Abandons Israel, US Will Borrow Another Billion $ To Help Muslim B/hood.
FNC | MB26
In a bombshell speech just concluded on FNC, Obama abandoned Israel in three major ways.
1: He called for Israel to give up and retreat from the entire West Bank. His excuse was that "some Palestinians live there." Obama conveniently chose to forget the tens of thousands of Jews who live there, and that they would face immediate slaughter by Hamas if abandoned by Israel.
Remember, if Israel retreats to the 1967 borders, as now called for by Obama, the country becomes just 7 miles wide at some places. That means Arab tank-killing man-portable weapons, with ranges of more then 25k can cut the country in half here. That makes Israel militarilly indefensible.
2: Obama called for "contigious" borders between Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. That means cutting Israel in half again to give the Palestinians one large and connected chunk of Israel.
3: The SOB said Israel must be capable of defending itself alone. without outside gelp. Translation? Not "if, but "when" attacked by the Arab states, the US will not come to Israel's aid.
4: And just to hurt the American taxpayer more, and ensure the Muslim Brotherhood radicals now running Egypt have more money to buy more weapons, Obama announded that the US will borrow another BILLION dollars so we can forgive that much Egyptian debt.
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Obama is going to go right where OBL is, deservedly so.
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Palestine should have the same borders that were drawn up by UNSCOP which gave Israel it's birth.
Simple as that.
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(http://www.leedspsc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/israel-palestine-map.jpg)
1947 borders.
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Screw that crap - so should we give back california to La Raza?
Screw obama, piss and puke be upon him. Who the hell is he in this but a marxist communist grifter and looting thief with a bullhorn?
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Screw that crap - so should we give back california to La Raza?
Screw obama, piss and puke be upon him. Who the hell is he in this but a marxist communist grifter and looting thief with a bullhorn?
UNSCOP which gave the right to Israel to exist, also gives the right to Palestine to exist and drew up those borders. Those should be the exact borders.
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Dang. Is it November 2012 yet?
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Dang. Is it November 2012 yet?
I just called schumers' and Gillibrands' office on this bullshit.
They said they were flooded with people utterly pissed off on this.
Fuck obama - rot in hell with bin laden you disgusting asshole!
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I just called schumers' and Gillibrands' office on this bullshit.
They said they were flooded with people utterly pissed off on this.
Fuck obama - rot in hell with bin laden you disgusting asshole!
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Why do you care so much? Because it's Obama or because you really don't believe there should be a Palestinian state?
You know Israel was founded on terrorist organizations too. They attack british and arab targets both before, during and after the second world war. The became the defense corps. There is no right in this battle. Both sides have blood on their hands.
The only solution is the solution agreed upon to that gave israel a state within former occupied palestine in 1947 which also gave Palestine not only a right to exist but also land with which to govern.
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Obama: "A Full and Phased Withdrawal" by Israel to "1967 Lines"
Arutz Sheva-Israel National News ^ | 05/19/2011 | by Gavriel Queenann
US President Barack Obama radically changed US foreign policy when he called Thursday for a "full and phased withdraw of Israeli forces" from "occupied Palestinian lands."
Obama's comments came during Obama's much anticipated policy address at the State Department in which he outlined the United State's new foreign policy for the Middle East and North Africa in light of the "spring revolutions" that have rocked the region.
Saying the world was tired of "nothing but stalemate" in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and complaining that "settlement activity continues" while the "Palestinians have walked away from talks," Obama said Israelis cannot obtain the dream of a democratic and Jewish state through "occupation."
Obama called for "two states for two peoples" with permanent borders based on the "1967 lines with agreed upon swaps." The borders referred to as "1967 lines" are in fact the lines agreed upon in the 1949...
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If I could, and the CIA allowed me - i would waterboard obama myself.
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Indeed - fuck Israel.
I'm just glad my taxes dont go there like you guys in the US.
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Yeah, but it is ok to give Egypt billions and cancel out all their debt?
WTF? Typical crap. Fuck obama - Can't wait till this communist radical islamist pofs is ousted in 2012.
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Dang. Is it November 2012 yet?
More like 450 or so BC all over again:
Ezra 2:1
Now these are the people of the province who came up from the captivity of the exiles, whom Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon had taken captive to Babylon (they returned to Jerusalem and Judah, each to their own town,
Nehemiah 2:10
When Sanballat the Horonite and Tobiah the Ammonite official heard about this, they were very much disturbed that someone had come to promote the welfare of the Israelites.
Nehemiah 4:7-8
But when Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the people of Ashdod heard that the repairs to Jerusalem’s walls had gone ahead and that the gaps were being closed, they were very angry. They all plotted together to come and fight against Jerusalem and stir up trouble against it.
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Obama and all his supporters like KC, Straw, Benny, Andre, Mal, blacken, et al, are all complicit in this collapse of america.
I see pofs people on the highways with obama sticker on their cars, and my first hope is that they go over the border into the hudson river or Long Island Sound and drown a painful death.
These same communist traitors are putting their lot behind jihadists, islamists, etc over allies like Israel and will suffer the appropriate consequences.
bottom line- if you support obama - you are a traitor and support the jihdis and islamists.
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UNSCOP which gave the right to Israel to exist, also gives the right to Palestine to exist and drew up those borders. Those should be the exact borders.
Why? Israel was attacked over and over again and took territory in each conflict. So they should just give it back?
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Why? Israel was attacked over and over again and took territory in each conflict. So they should just give it back?
Because communists like KC want to give land unearned or undeserved to the palis.
According to KC - I am sure he wants tot give Cali, Tex, and NM back to mexico.
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Why? Israel was attacked over and over again and took territory in each conflict. So they should just give it back?
Also, the Palestinian radio lied and said Israeli soldiers were coming into Palestinian towns and killing the men and children, and raping their women. Palestinian radio did this to create an outrage and gain support to attack Israel, but it back fired. Entire Palestinian town populations believed this lie, panicked and fled the towns. Israelis then moved into these abandoned towns and never left.
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Because communists like KC want to give land unearned or undeserved to the palis.
According to KC - I am sure he wants tot give Cali, Tex, and NM back to mexico.
The whole premise of giving up won territory is ridiculous, to the victor goes the spoils.
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I'm so sick of this crap its not funny.
People like KC, Mal, Benny, Blacken, Straw, Andre are nothing more than dildoes and hacks for obama and need to be regarded as such.
So according to these idiots, and yes KC, Straw, Mal, Benny, you are fucking morons and pieces of trash, we should back hamas and hezbollah over isreal. Nice.
Screw you communist scum.
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Indeed - fuck Israel.
I'm just glad my taxes dont go there like you guys in the US.
I would rather have my taxes go to Israel than to Pakistan or any other terrorist loving nation.
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amazing - the communist terrorist apologists like kc, straw, etc rather $ $ $ go to obl harboring pakistan and egypt, Syria, iran, than israel.
This is why i consider people like KC, Straw, Mal, Blacken, Benny, Andre as enemies of the state.
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Those borders were reduced over time due to the Palestinians starting fights and incursions into Israel, and Israel taking that territory during military retaliation.
I'm not saying it's right, but it's not like Israel just rolled in and took it... They were provoked into it.
That said, if you are going to say there should be a "Palestinian state", and many people do... You have to have some borders and the ones from 1967 are probably the most feasible to have.
It's a very difficult call though... I would give them those lands on one complete condition myself... If Israel is attacked by ANY possibly military action, the borders are considered null and void and all of the land rights are reverted back to Israel, including those areas which are contested today.
Basically saying, "OK... You can have it... If we see something wrong, including you trying to harm Israelis who live in those areas, we will roll in and take it all back and you are just fucked."
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Well, it seems that Obama thinks he can win by pandering only to Hispanics, blacks, guilt ridden whites and gays. With this statement, the Jewish vote will be heavily in favor of the GOP candidate. It won't matter who it is. Obama will not get 77% of the Jewish vote in 2012.
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I would tell the palis:
"Hey you pofs bitches, go vry on the shoulder of iran, jordan, egypt, iran, iraq, syria, jordan, UAE, Turkey, et al and see if they will take you."
Screw these asshole islamists girls, obama included, i have already divested myself of two arab clients over this issue alone.
I had one piece of fucking shit egyptian client with a koran on his desk try to trash israel to me during a buisness meeting. I walked out and sent him his files asap.
I haze zero tolerance for islamists, pork be upon them.
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Let us not forget the 3 wars of extermination to "push the Jews into the Red Sea" in 1947, 1967 and 1973 by the Arab states. as Tu_Holmes said, it wasn't as if they simply marched into the territory and took it. For shit sakes they took the land as a buffer zone against further invasion from conventional forces.
I really don't know what the hell Obama is trying to do outside of pandering to Arab nations and the Arab street...which, in the end, does nothing for the U.S. and its interests.
Simple as that.
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I would tell the palis:
"Hey you pofs bitches, go vry on the shoulder of iran, jordan, egypt, iran, iraq, syria, jordan, UAE, Turkey, et al and see if they will take you."
Screw these asshole islamists girls, obama included, i have already divested myself of two arab clients over this issue alone.
I had one piece of fucking shit egyptian client with a koran on his desk try to trash israel to me during a buisness meeting. I walked out and sent him his files asap.
I haze zero tolerance for islamists, pork be upon them.
I have an Egyptian network engineer... He's muslim... Actually has a new testament bible at his desk... Haven't heard him trash Israel yet... He's like Yakov Smirnoff.
"I love America!"
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It all comes down to this whethe rthe obamacunts like mal, benny, blacken, straw, kc, andre want to accept it or not.
Fuck obama and everyone who supports him. Those who still support him are no different than KSM, OBL, Ayeres, Wright, or any other terrorist, seditiuous force IMHO.
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Let us not forget the 3 wars of extermination to "push the Jews into the Red Sea" in 1947, 1967 and 1973 by the Arab states. as Tu_Holmes said, it wasn't as if they simply marched into the territory and took it. For shit sakes they took the land as a buffer zone against further invasion from conventional forces.
I really don't know what the hell Obama is trying to do outside of pandering to Arab nations and the Arab street...which, in the end, does nothing for the U.S. and its interests.
Simple as that.
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I have an Egyptian network engineer... He's muslim... Actually has a new testament bible at his desk... Haven't heard him trash Israel yet... He's like Yakov Smirnoff.
"I love America!"
The client i had was heavily into No Fault fraud and medicare and medicade fraud and hired me to do collections for his corrupt doctors. I ended this crap asap. They were milking the system blind.
I could not turn him indue to attorney client privilege but will say i did not make .05 off of the fraud he was committing.
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Obama tells Israel: Go back to 1967 borders (and Israel tells Obama to shove it!)
MSNBC ^ | 5/19/2011 | msnbc
In a major speech that sought to reframe U.S. policy in the Mideast, President Barack Obama endorsed a key Palestinian demand Thursday for the borders of its future state and prodded Israel to accept that it can never have a truly peaceful nation that is based on "permanent occupation."
Obama's urging that a Palestinian state be based on 1967 borders — those that existed before the Six-Day War in which Israel occupied East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza — marked a significant shift in U.S. policy and seemed certain to anger Israel.
Israel has said an endorsement of the 1967 borders would prejudge negotiations. Obama will meet at the White House on Friday with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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You know he will tell obama to fuck off, and in turn make the world laugh at us a little more. All for something the majority of americans don't give a shit about.
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Right wing MKs: Obama is the new Arafat
By GIL HOFFMAN AND REBECCA ANNA STOIL
05/19/2011 20:53
Danon, Ben-Ari outraged by US president's call for creation of Palestinian state on '67 lines; Livni says plan in Israel's interests.
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Knesset members on the Right expressed outrage on Thursday night at US President Barack Obama's call for the creation of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps in an exchange of territory for security.
They called upon Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to reject Obama's plan when he meets with him on Friday in Washington.
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In Arab world, disappointment Obama didn’t go further
"Barack Hussein Obama adopted the staged plan for Israel's destruction of Yasser Arafat, and he is trying to force it on our prime minister," said Likud MK Danny Danon. "All that was new in the speech was that he called for Israel to return to 1967 borders without solving the crisis. Netanyahu has only one option: To tell Obama forget about it."
National Union MK Michael Ben-Ari also slammed Obama's speech, calling it "a landmine with pretty wrapping."
Environment Minister Gilad Erdan, who as a minister close to Netanyahu must be more diplomatic, complained on Channel 2 that according to Obama's approach, the Palestinians would receive their demands on borders before negotiations begin.
"Once they have everything from the start, they have no reason to make any concessions,"Erdan said.
But opposition leader Tzipi Livni said Obama's plan was clearly in Israel's interests, while the diplomatic stalemate that she believes was brought on by Netanyahu is not.
"On his visit, Netanyahu must display the leadership necessary now to create the conditions necessary to restart negotiations with those who are ready to end the conflict," Livni said. "Only a real Israeli initiative with content that can receive American and international support can be an answer to the current dangers and opportunities."
Her Kadima colleague, MK Yoel Hasson, warned that if Netanyahu did not take immediate action, he would bring Israel into deeper international isolation and borders forced on Israel unilaterally.
Their Kadima counterpart MK Otniel Schneller turned the focus back on his own party, however, calling on the opposition’s leadership to take a strong stand behind the prime minister on issues of foreign policy in light of Obama’s speech.
“Obama’s speech has placed before Israeli society and its representatives the challenge of unity and national agreement. The political disagreements and the motivation of the opposition parties should not overpower their responsibility for the future of the state,” Schneller asserted.
“On the level of diplomatic policy, even Kadima believes in the same principles presented by the prime minister, which constitute the basis for a diplomatic program that the previous government under [Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni tried to advance,” he added. “It would be appropriate if during the prime minister’s meeting with President Obama, everyone knew that the prime minister has no opposition when it comes to realizing his diplomatic initiative. We should expect mature leadership from the heads of all of the Zionist parties on the existential questions facing Israel and its strategic interests."
MK Ahmed Tibi (United Arab List-Ta'al) criticized the speech, saying Obama offered "nothing new" in regards to the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
Speaking to Channel 2 news, Tibi said that the speech was intended more for Arab audiences who have been participating in pro-democracy protests in the last number of months and claimed that "Obama is riding the tiger of Arab democracy."
Referring to the US president's speech in Cairo two years ago, Tibi concluded by nicknaming this time's address: "Cairo Speech II."
Jpost.com Staff contributed to this report
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If the New York Jews give this assbag one red cent for 12' they need to go fuck themselves. Why are these people libs? What do Dems do for them. If your pro Israel you can't vote Obama. This guy is a traitorous piece of shit.
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If the New York Jews give this assbag one red cent for 12' they need to go fuck themselves. Why are these people libs? What do Dems do for them. If your pro Israel you can't vote Obama. This guy is a traitorous piece of shit.
I called each of my reps and was told by each one that they were flooded with calls pissed off over this speech by this communist wretch, puke and piss be upon him.
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Congressman Allen West Response to President Barack Obama's Speech - May 19,2011
Congressman Allen West - Florida District 22 ^ | May 19, 2011 | SeekTheTruth
Congressman Allen West Response to President Barack Obama's Call for a Two State Solution in Israel -May 19
"Today's endorsement by President Barack Obama of the creation of a Hamas-led Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 borders, signals the most egregious foreign policy decision his administration has made to date, and could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state.
From the moment the modern day state of Israel declared statehood in 1948, to the end of the 1967 Six Day War, Jews were forbidden access to their holiest site, the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City, controlled by Jordan's Arab army.
The pre-1967 borders endorsed by President Obama would deny millions of the world's Jews access to their holiest site and force Israel to return the strategically important Golan Heights to Syria, a known state-sponsor of terrorism.
Resorting to the pre-1967 borders would mean a full withdrawal by the Israelis from the West Bank and the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Make no mistake, there has always been a Nation of Israel and Jerusalem has been and must always be recognized as its rightful capital.
In short, the Hamas-run Palestinian state envisioned by President Obama would be devastating to Israel and the world's 13.3 million Jews. It would be a Pavlovian style reward to a declared Islamic terrorist organization, and an unacceptable policy initiative.
America should never negotiate with the Palestinian Authority- which has aligned itself with Hamas. Palestine is a region, not a people or a modern state. Based upon Roman Emperor Hadrian's declaration in 73 AD, the original Palestinian people are the Jewish people.
It's time for the American people to stand by our strongest ally, the Jewish State of Israel, and reject this foreign policy blunder of epic proportions.
While the winds of democracy may blow strong in the Middle East, history has demonstrated that gaps in leadership can lead to despotic regimes. I have questions for President Obama: 'Who will now lead in Egypt?' and 'Why should American taxpayers provide foreign aid to a nation where the next chapter in their history may be the emergence of another radical Islamic state?'
President Obama has not stood for Israel or the Jewish people and has made it clear where the United States will stand when Palestine attempts to gain recognition of statehood by the United Nations. The President should focus on the real obstacle to security- the Palestinian leadership and its ultimate goal to eliminate Israel and the Jewish people."
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Obama 'disrespected' Israel, threw it 'under the bus,' says Romney
The Hill ^
Thursday, May 19, 2011
Obama 'disrespected' Israel, threw it 'under the bus,' says Romney By Michael O'Brien - 05/19/11 03:29 PM ET
President Obama "disrespected" Israel and threw it "under the bus" in a wide-ranging speech on the Middle East on Thursday, GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney charged.
Romney strongly criticized Obama, who, in a speech at the State Department, called for Israel to return to its border lines as drawn before the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.
"President Obama has thrown Israel under the bus. He has disrespected Israel and undermined its ability to negotiate peace," Romney said in a statement.
"He has also violated a first principle of American foreign policy, which is to stand firm by our friends," added the former Massachusetts governor.
Romney led Republicans in criticizing the Obama speech, which touched on broader themes throughout the Middle East, including the popular movements for democratization, from Egypt to Yemen, during the first half of the year.
"President Obama has betrayed Israel and made a grievous mistake by suggesting borders of Israel go back to pre-1967 borders. This is an outrage to peace, sovereignty of Israel, and a stable Middle East," former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R), a 2008 Republican presidential candidate who's been a staunch supporter of Israel, said in a statement.
Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), meanwhile, suggested Obama's stance could represent "the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state."
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, another Republican presidential candidate, declined to comment on the Obama speech during an appearance on the Rush Limbaugh radio show this afternoon, explaining that he hadn't yet been able to listen to the speech or digest its contents.
The political battle lines emerged quickly on Thursday afternoon after Obama's speech, especially after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the president's call for a return to 1967 borders.
Netanyahu will meet with Obama on Friday at the White House, and he'll stay in Washington over the weekend before addressing the AIPAC conference Monday and a joint meeting of Congress on Tuesday.
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Obama = islamist nazi pofs - screw you who still support him.
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OBAMA IGNITES MIDDLE EAST POWDER KEG!
The National Enquirer ^ | 5/19/11 | staff
In a region already marked by terror and uneasy alliances between tribal conflicts dating back thousands of years, PRESIDENT OBAMA backed a Palestinian demand to Israel: “GET OUT!”
Trying to advance debate, Barack Obama endorsed a key Palestinian demand for the borders of its future state, prodding Israel to withdraw back to borders established in 1967.
He also prodded Israel to accept the demand because it can never have a truly peaceful nation based on "permanent occupation."
Obama urged that a permanent Palestinian state be based on 1967 borders – the ones that existed prior to the Six Day War when a warring Israel battled Egypt and its allies and then occupied East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza.
Obama’s statements are a significant shift in U.S. policy and insiders feel would anger US allies Israel.
Israel has said an endorsement of the 1967 borders would prejudge any negotiations.
These border realignments would be consistent with those traditionally demanded by Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) terrorist Yasser Arafat during his reign.
The president cautioned that the recent power-sharing between the mainstream Palestinian faction led by and the radical Hamas that rules Gaza "raises profound and legitimate" security questions for Israel.
Israeli PM Netanyahu has refused to deal with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas.
"How can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist?" Obama asked.
Obama also deep-sixed a push by the Palestinians for U.N. recognition of a separate state in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem later this year.
"Symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September won't create an independent state," Obama said.
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Another massive fail by obama.
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Israel Expects Obama to Take Back ‘1967 Lines’ Demand
israelnationalnews ^ | 05/19/11 | Gil Ronen
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was quick on the draw Thursday in voicing clear displeasure with President Barack Obama’s mideast policy speech. “Israel appreciates President Obama’s commitment to peace,” the response began, curtly. “Israel believes that for peace to endure between Israelis and Palestinians, the viability of a Palestinian state cannot come at the expense of the viability of the one and only Jewish state.”
“That is why Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress.”
“Among other things,” Netanyahu reminded Obama, “those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines.”
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Hamas: Obama speech a complete failure
YNET NEWS ^ | 05/19/2011
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The Hamas movement called US President Barack Obama's Mideast policy speech a "complete failure," saying it was like "throwing sand in the eyes of the public."
Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri claimed the speech lacked content, adding that his organization "is opposed to intervention in our internal affairs." Abu Zuhri urged the Palestinian Authority to dismiss the speech, and emphasized the need to "coordinate the stances of Palestinian forces against the American arrogance." (Elior Levy)
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Well that speech went over like a fart in an elevator
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Well that speech went over like a fart in an elevator
Any good feelings regarding OBL are long gone now.
FFFUUUBBBOOOO
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Israeli leader rejects calls for withdrawal to 1967 lines ahead of major White House meeting
brandonsun.com ^ | May 19 2011 | The Associated Press
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JERUSALEM - Israel's prime minister has rejected a key aspect of President Barack Obama's policy speech, saying that a return to his country's 1967 borders would spell disaster for the Jewish state.
In a statement released late Thursday, Benjamin Netanyahu called the 1967 lines "indefensible."
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Jewish Donors Outraged by 'Sociopath' Obama, Says Columnist
israel national news ^ | 5/18/11 | Gil Ronen
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If senior journalist David Goldman is right, the correct word for describing the way a growing number of US Jews feel about President Barack Obama is not 'anger' but 'rage' – white-hot rage, at that, and a conviction that they have been swindled.
Goldman, Senior Editor of First Things magazine and 'Spengler' columnist for Asia Times Online, spoke last week at a convention on intellectuals and terror at Ariel University in Samaria. In his lecture, he quoted a top Jewish campaign donor who used the word 'sociopath' to describe Obama. In an interview with Israel National News, he predicted a possibly dramatic 'train wreck' for the Democrats in the November mid-term elections, with Jewish fundraising for Democrats drying up and a possibly high turnout of anti-Obama evangelical Christians.
INN: The recent McLaughlin group poll shows US Jewish support of Obama at about half its level in the 2008 election. Is this an accurate reflection of the mood among US Jews?
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He really fucked himself on this one... he's basically unelectable now.
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Maybe he thought the OBL killing gave him a free pass.
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Maybe he thought the OBL killing gave him a free pass.
This is no different than if he gave a speech telling Mexico it has a right to reclaim California and Texas.
What a disgusting pofs. Seriously - he backs these muslim animals as if they ever did a damn thing for us.
Unreal.
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Is this true?
Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama on Thursday made official a long-held but rarely stated U.S. policy that a future Palestinian state should be based on borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war.
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More kneepadding for this horrible speech. Screw obama and those who support him.
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But is it true?
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First time I ever heard that.
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First time I ever heard that.
Suppose its true..... Are you angry at the policy or the fact he voiced it, or both?
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Both.
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Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama on Thursday made official the long-held but rarely stated U.S. support for a future Palestinian state based on borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war.
In the past, the United States has unofficially backed a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict based on the borders in place prior to the war 44 years ago in which Israel seized the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula.
In a major speech Thursday, Obama became the first president to formally endorse the policy, but he also acknowledged the need for modifications through the negotiating process due to conditions on the ground.
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Suppose its true..... Are you angry at the policy or the fact he voiced it, or both?
If it is true the policy is horse shit, but I guess it's easy to give away someone elses territory earned through 3 wars. Putting the boarders back to 1967 wouldn't stop the attacks, it would probably increase them. One problem with the whole thing is that Israel isn't going to give up the land.
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Well it looks like he's just being straight forward about it. It may or may not be the best political move. But if that's our long standing policy..... We always say fuck em if they don't like it. Wait that's with repubs, dems are supposed to be squishy. :D
Honestly, I am not really sure what to think about this. I would, Blacken, like to see something more than just CNN saying it.
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If it is true the policy is horse shit, but I guess it's easy to give away someone elses territory earned through 3 wars. Putting the boarders back to 1967 wouldn't stop the attacks, it would probably increase them. One problem with the whole thing is that Israel isn't going to give up the land.
Yeah I don't see them doing that... And you wonder what the goal is by Obama's statements. Garner more Muslim support? I donno
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Yeah I don't see them doing that... And you wonder what the goal is by Obama's statements. Garner more Muslim support? I donno
Good question, last time I checked there is not a very large Muslim population in the US. No idea what his end game is with this one.
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Funny - where is cnn's evidence of this?
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I actually support Barack Obama and Israel's return to the 1967 borders.
Israel should indeed move back into the Sinai peninsula (all the way to the Suez Canal).
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Amazing how the communist traitor obama tells others what to do with their borders yet this govt can't deal w its own borders.
Screw obama and those disgusting animals still supporting him.
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Amazing how the communist traitor obama tells others what to do with their borders yet this govt can't deal w its own borders.
Screw obama and those disgusting animals still supporting him.
It's par the course for him. He knows he has no credibility in this matter anymore so he's just sucking Muslim dick like he's done since taking office.
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Suppose its true..... Are you angry at the policy or the fact he voiced it, or both?
Even if it is, you can't just say it and come of as if you are commanding Israel to do so. This is fucking diplomacy 101. Now Israel will have to tell Obama to go fuck himself to not seem like they are doing his bidding. By pounding his chest, pandering to the Arab Street and trying to be some world hero he has, in essence, taken that bargainning chip off the table.
What if the return to the 1967 borders was something the Israeli's were willing to work with? That they publically said 'HELL NO' but in private (as nations often do with sensetive things of this nature) were willing to bend? Now they can't do anything but completely rebuff Obama because they risk the chance of them seeming weak and not in charge and bending to pressure from the U.S.
This is simple shit.
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Imagine if china gave a speech telling us to turn over cali to mexico?
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Imagine if china gave a speech telling us to turn over cali to mexico?
China's top military officer is too busy touring top secret US military sites at this moment because, you know, the Chinese aren't all about stealing American military tech (and everything else they can get their hands on).
Another winning move by the God-King. ::)
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China's top military officer is too busy touring top secret US military sites at this moment because, you know, the Chinese aren't all about stealing American military tech (and everything else they can get their hands on).
Another winning move by the God-King. ::)
Oddly enough... These are the kinds of things that make me agree with 3333 that Obama is trying to destroy America.
How do you let a country like China get a look at your military installations... Fuck them.
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Oddly enough... These are the kinds of things that make me agree with 3333 that Obama is trying to destroy America.
How do you let a country like China get a look at your military installations... Fuck them.
It seems like Obama likes running around w lighter fluid and just turning every small tinder into a raging flame.
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When they do that they don't show these people classified stuff.
I mean..... Common do you really think Generals are sitting around on BO orders and showing the top speed of the f-22 and it's and or evading capabilities?
In other words, don't fall for it, 33333 is just stroking the fire.
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Obama Tells Israel: Turn Over The Tomb Of Jesus To Hamas
gateway pundit ^ | 5/19/11 | Jim Hoft
Posted on May 19, 2011 9:17:06 PM EDT by Nachum
Today when Barack Obama told Israel to move back to the 1967 borders he effectively gave half of Jerusalem, the Wailing Wall, The Temple Mount, Old Jerusalem, The holiest Christian Church in the world, The Church of the Holy Sepulchre to the Hamas-Fatah terror alliance.
This is what Barack Obama wants to give to Hamas.
(Excerpt) Read more at gatewaypundit.rightnetwo rk.com ...
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When they do that they don't show these people classified stuff.
I mean..... Common do you really think Generals are sitting around on BO orders and showing the top speed of the f-22 and it's and or evading capabilities?
In other words, don't fall for it, 33333 is just stroking the fire.
No shit? Well, they're not showing him our most top secret stuff. That makes everything OK! ::)
Anyone justifying the decision to show the commander in chief of China's military ANYTHING regarding our own military is a moron.
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When they do that they don't show these people classified stuff.
I mean..... Common do you really think Generals are sitting around on BO orders and showing the top speed of the f-22 and it's and or evading capabilities?
In other words, don't fall for it, 33333 is just stroking the fire.
Stroking what? I didn't say anything on that. Between Obama debt speech, his , amnesty speech, and now this, if you don't understand that obamas agenda is to collapse America, I really don't know what would convince you. This is all within two weeks!
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No shit? Well, they're not showing him our most top secret stuff. That makes everything OK! ::)
Anyone justifying the decision to show the commander in chief of China's military ANYTHING regarding our own military is a moron.
It's done all the time with many many many other country's military and has bee done for hundreds of years.
I know first hand it's been going on with China for the last 15 years.
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It's done all the time with many many many other country's military and has bee done for hundreds of years.
Yes. Our ALLIES. China is not an ally. They are little more than an acquaintance.
Also, other countries haven't made it priority #1 to steal everything they can of ours nor have they also set about building their entire army to counter everything we excel at. ::)
It's yet another stupid move made by the amateur in the White House. Will China be giving us a tour of their military sites? Hahahahaha, yeah right.
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Yes. Our ALLIES. China is not an ally. They are little more than an acquaintance.
Also, other countries haven't made it priority #1 to steal everything they can of ours nor have they also set about building their entire army to counter everything we excel at. ::)
It's yet another stupid move made by the amateur in the White House. Will China be giving us a tour of their military sites? Hahahahaha, yeah right.
Well bam a did bow to the premier and throw his a lavish state dinner as well as subject us to that anti American song at that gaudy gala no?
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Well bam a did bow to the premier and throw his a lavish state dinner as well as subject us to that anti American song at that gaudy gala no?
Yes. Still waiting on China to reciprocate that. Word is they'll let us sing "God Bless America" at their dinner. ::)
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Yes. Still waiting on China to reciprocate that. Word is they'll let us sing "God Bless America" at their dinner. ::)
Obama would probably invite dre and ice cube to sign fuck da police or something like that.
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Yes. Our ALLIES. China is not an ally. They are little more than an acquaintance.
Also, other countries haven't made it priority #1 to steal everything they can of ours nor have they also set about building their entire army to counter everything we excel at. ::)
It's yet another stupid move made by the amateur in the White House. Will China be giving us a tour of their military sites? Hahahahaha, yeah right.
No. It's been going on for years. And vice versa.
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Krauthammer: Obama speech shows he ‘has sympathies everywhere except Israel’
The Daily Caller ^ | 5/19/11 | Jeff Poor
Posted on May 19, 2011 8:40:04 PM EDT by Nachum
On Thursday, President Barack Obama gave a speech at the State Department in Washington, D.C. which was supposed to offer an indication of what American policy would be in the Middle East as the region was going through great transition. However, coming out of the speech many are questioning the president’s suggestion that Israel should withdrawal to pre-1967 boundaries.
On Thursday’s “Special Report” on the Fox News Channel, syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer gave a very disparaging review of the president’s proposed policy. His major point of contention: Obama is willing to give away a bargaining chip without getting much in return.
“What Obama did today is something that no American president has ever done, which is to endorse the return to the 1967 lines which as you said would reduce Israel to a country with a waist eight miles wide,” Krauthammer said. “Now, the reason this is odd is because you’d expect it to be at least in return for something. But the Palestinians in the two-and-a-half years of this administration have not offered them anything as a concession to Israelis. [Palestinian Authority President] Mahmoud Abbas has boycotted the negotiation and then a few weeks ago, he joined in government with Hamas, dedicated to extermination of Israel. In return for all of those and the Israel gestures, Obama makes the biggest concession of the entire Arab-Israeli negotiations in 50 years.”
(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
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Obama Mideast speech - a tangled web woven for campaign spin
Flopping Aces ^ | 05-19-11 | Mataharley
Posted on May 19, 2011 9:49:13 PM EDT by Starman417
It's another day, and yet another Obama speech. The campaign season has kicked off, and a POTUS, laboring under the ineffectiveness of his own economic policies, and a sketchy history of foreign policy calls, is planning on mustering his full orative skills to redefine history and paint a rosy face on what many call the "Arab spring".
As is central to just about every POTUS in recent history, Israeli-Palestine lies in the forefront. But despite Netanyahu's willingness to resume talks just months after Obama's inaugural, 2009 brought not even a blip of success. That same year proved Obama's hope that Iran would be receptive also fell flat on it's face. Come fall of 2010.... Netanyahu and Abbas show up at the WH. Despite Obama warnings that, paraphrased (and with apologies to Seals & Croft), "we may never pass this way again", the negotiations yield nothing. Come campaign season, and this POTUS at least needs to look like an effort has been made... especially after all the posturing about those "democratic uprisings".
The reality is that the words and events are merely a sideshow, and the peace process is more unlikely to go any where than at any time in our recent past. What both nations envision as a "two-state" solution are worlds apart. Steven Walk at the Foreign Policy Magazine seems to believe this is because Obama refuses to put pressure on Israel, and only focuses on twisting Abbas' arm. This seems a naive observation, considering this admin's constant cold shoulder to the US's greatest ally in the Middle East, and their policy that demands Israel cease all settlement activity.
Obama, in a sweeping address tackling the uprisings in the Middle East and the stalled peace process, stunned Washington and Jerusalem by endorsing Palestinians' demand for their own state based on the pre-1967 borders. The break with longstanding U.S. policy appeared to immediately aggravate the Israelis, who want the borders of any future Palestinian state determined through negotiations.
Right..... like Israeli withdrawal is going to happen. Maybe Obama was happily ensconced in junior IL Senator dreams in 2000, but Bebe is astutely aware that the Israel offer to redefine borders went no where in the Camp David talks between 2000 Arafat and Israel PM Barak. New day, new leaders, same attitudes.
In fact, this pipedream for peace is even more unlikely with each ME chaotic uprising. One by one, the nations surrounding Israel are undergoing change. And as a Spiegel article today notes, that supposed move to democracy is not only not happening, but is either stalled, or in the process of a failed revolution.
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Obama and all his supporters like KC, Straw, Benny, Andre, Mal, blacken, et al, are all complicit in this collapse of america.
I see pofs people on the highways with obama sticker on their cars, and my first hope is that they go over the border into the hudson river or Long Island Sound and drown a painful death.
These same communist traitors are putting their lot behind jihadists, islamists, etc over allies like Israel and will suffer the appropriate consequences.
bottom line- if you support obama - you are a traitor and support the jihdis and islamists.
are you crazy or what????
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It all comes down to this whethe rthe obamacunts like mal, benny, blacken, straw, kc, andre want to accept it or not.
Fuck obama and everyone who supports him. Those who still support him are no different than KSM, OBL, Ayeres, Wright, or any other terrorist, seditiuous force IMHO.
you are FUNNY!!!
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Not at all. If you support obama you support weakening of america and her traditional allies.
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If it is true the policy is horse shit, but I guess it's easy to give away someone elses territory earned through 3 wars. Putting the boarders back to 1967 wouldn't stop the attacks, it would probably increase them. One problem with the whole thing is that Israel isn't going to give up the land.
Israel is in a horseshit position but what choice do they have???....they are going to be overrun anyway based on the huge increasing palestinian population...and if the pals adopt the non-violence strategy of Martin Luther King then Israel is definitely in trouble..they won't be able to hold back or shoot non-violent protesters......the best deal Israel can cut for itself is to make a deal on the best terms favorable that they can get and move on
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Delusional.
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Well it looks like he's just being straight forward about it. It may or may not be the best political move. But if that's our long standing policy..... We always say fuck em if they don't like it. Wait that's with repubs, dems are supposed to be squishy. :D
Honestly, I am not really sure what to think about this. I would, Blacken, like to see something more than just CNN saying it.
you are right about this...Obama is just being straight-forward..enough bullshit and double talk....Obama laid out his position and now we all know where everyone stands.....
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Good question, last time I checked there is not a very large Muslim population in the US. No idea what his end game is with this one.
its to cut out all the bullshit and get peace from these guys already
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I actually support Barack Obama and Israel's return to the 1967 borders.
Israel should indeed move back into the Sinai peninsula (all the way to the Suez Canal).
why?..what are they going to do with all that desert???...make glass???
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It's par the course for him. He knows he has no credibility in this matter anymore so he's just sucking Muslim dick like he's done since taking office.
the dickface himself sure understands dick
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They are way too nice to the barbarians.
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China's top military officer is too busy touring top secret US military sites at this moment because, you know, the Chinese aren't all about stealing American military tech (and everything else they can get their hands on).
Another winning move by the God-King. ::)
I always ask you what would you do in situations like this dickface..but you never answer...just hear crickets all the time
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No shit? Well, they're not showing him our most top secret stuff. That makes everything OK! ::)
Anyone justifying the decision to show the commander in chief of China's military ANYTHING regarding our own military is a moron.
they show us their stuff too MORON..its a mutually agreed upon thing
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Hahahahaha, this guy is going through my posts one-by-one and responding to each. How badly am I in your head?
the dickface himself sure understands dick
How cute, another retard that likes campaign speeches 18 months out of an election. I, like most halfway intelligent people, don't. Sorry that your God-King has about as much clout on the international stage these days as you do, which is to say none at all.
When was the last time he actually mentioned the economy? Yessir, sucking Muslim dick > fixing this country's economy.
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Hahahahaha, this guy is going through my posts one-by-one and responding to each. How badly am I in your head?
How cute, another retard that likes campaign speeches 18 months out of an election. I, like most halfway intelligent people, don't. Sorry that your God-King has about as much clout on the international stage these days as you do, which is to say none at all.
I just go through all the dumb posts....all of yours just happen to be dumb :)
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I just go through all the dumb posts....all of yours just happen to be dumb :)
Sick burn, yo!
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This fuck head needs to go down in 2012. This is the straw that breaks the camel's back. This man is going down in 2012. And I will devote my time to make sure that it is an embarassing loss for him. He is going to go down in flames. He is without a doubt the worst President since possibly Hoover, maybe even worse than him. Im now starting to think you may be able to go as far back as Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan.
What a fucking twirp. You dont give away LAND. You certainly dont ask Isreal to dive away the West Bank. This is fucking madness. The liberal morons need to wake up. This isnt about land. Arabs want the Jews to die. Dont you get it??
If the Palestinians didnt want to lose all this land, then maybe they shouldnt have attacked Isreal in the first place. If they didnt want to lose the West Bank, then maybe Egypt, Syria, and Jordan shouldnt have plotted to attack Isreal in 1967. Stop trying to kill Jews and maybe you will stop losing land. FUcking pansies. LAND INCREASES SECURITY. Why do you think we are the most powerful nation in the world???
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Here. Why dont you educate yourself here.
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Like I keep saying - he is a sleeper cell neo terrorist all on to himself.
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(http://www.leedspsc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/israel-palestine-map.jpg)
1947 borders.
good post, some pictures for the republicans to see.
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good post, some pictures for the republicans to see.
It's bullshit... has zero context.
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It's bullshit... has zero context.
do you need a back story too ? maybe help you comprehend the picture? I should have labeled what it was, I forgot the audience here! L O L
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do you need a back story too ? maybe help you comprehend the picture? I should have labeled what it was, I forgot the audience here! L O L
I know the back story... That's why I call it bullshit.
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sounds fair to me
does palestine get equal welfare money usa gave israel for almost 100 years to build it up?
woo nelly guna kick israels ass
israel really crazy
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Yeah, the barbarians who voted for Hamas really deserve a state. ::) ::) ::)
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Obama Throws Israel to the Dogs
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 5-20-11 | Robert Spencer
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America is on the verge of abandoning its most reliable ally in the Middle East, thanks to Barack Hussein Obama.
He began his betrayal with lip service to Israel’s concerns about defending itself from the relentless jihad that has been waged against it throughout the sixty-three years of its lifetime as a sovereign state: “For the Palestinians, efforts to delegitimize Israel will end in failure. Symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September won’t create an independent state. Palestinian leaders will not achieve peace or prosperity if Hamas insists on a path of terror and rejection. And Palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of Israel to exist.”
Yet after saying that “Palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of Israel to exist,” Obama called for the establishment of a Palestinian state. Yet neither Hamas nor Fatah have acknowledged Israel’s right to exist, and Obama did not make that acknowledgment a condition of the establishment of a Palestinian state. He was merely making an observation, akin to something like: “You’ll never get a good job by sleeping in the sun all day” – more on the order of a polite request, a mild nag, rather than a firm condition.
Obama also called for “two states,” explaining that “the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”
It was widely reported Thursday evening that Obama was calling for a return to the 1967 borders, but this is not the case. He actually called for the creation of a “sovereign and contiguous state” for the Palestinian Arabs, and said that “the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines.” Thus he wasn’t calling for a return to the 1967 lines, but new borders “based on the 1967 lines.”
There were, however, no 1967 lines in which Palestinian Arab territory was contiguous. For the territory of Palestine to be contiguous, that of Israel will have to be substantially reduced. Israel’s 1967 borders were indefensible, and Obama is calling for Israel to be reduced even further so that a contiguous Palestinian state can be established.
What’s more, Obama specified that the new Palestinian state should have “borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt,” while Israel should have “borders with Palestine.” The implication was that Israel, in Obama’s vision, will border on neither Jordan nor Egypt — only on “Palestine.” Yet currently Israel has substantial borders with both Jordan and Egypt. Obama was implying that his contiguous Palestine would comprise not just Gaza and Judea and Samaria, but large expanses of Israeli territory bordering on those two states.
That would leave a truncated, reduced Israeli rump state, reminiscent of the reduced and defenseless Czechoslovakia that remained after Neville Chamberlain fed the Nazi beast at Munich. And if Obama did not mean that the diminished Israel he envisioned would have no territory bordering on Jordan or Egypt, the establishment of a contiguous Palestinian state including Gaza and the West Bank would cut Israel in two: Palestine’s contiguous territory would come at the expense of Israel’s.
Whatever Obama meant about Israel’s borders, the establishment of a Palestinian state will come at the expense of Israel’s security. It will not make for peace any more than the withdrawal from Gaza did. In those days the learned analysts were predicting that a withdrawal from Gaza would pacify the Palestinians and normalize their sick society. I said, in contrast, that it would just be another jihad base for more attacks on Israel. That’s what it became. And that’s what a Palestinian state would be also.
The Kuwaiti MP Jama’an Al-Harbash summed it up on Al-Jazeera on March 29, 2010. First he quoted the notorious genocidal hadith in which Muhammad predicts a Muslim genocide of Jews: “Allah willing, a war will be waged between us and them – the war foretold by the Prophet Muhammad: ‘Judgment Day will not come before you fight the Jews – with them on the west bank of the river, and you on the east bank – and the trees and the stones will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.’ This war is drawing near, Allah willing.”
With eerie prescience, al-Harbash then declared of the now-toppled regimes in the Middle East that “the countries of surrender and appeasement, and those who have forsaken the holy places and the land, in their efforts to cling to their seats and pass them on [to their sons] – they will be trampled underfoot by the mujahideen.”
Finally al-Harbash explained the nature of the conflict: “This is a war of religion, not just a war between Arabs and Israelis, or a war between liberators and occupiers. This is an ideological war, an Islamic war, which will end in victory only under the banner of Jihad.”
Those who believe that will not be pacified by the creation of a Palestinian state. They will not lay down their arms and accept Israel’s existence, even its truncated, bisected existence, because the Palestinians have statehood. Not only will they not be pacified; they will be emboldened – emboldened to fight on against their bloodied and weakened adversary. Emboldened to move in for the kill.
Obama’s Thursday address thus amounted to a betrayal of Israel, and an attempt to sign its death warrant. Binyamin Netanyahu immediately issued a statement saying that he was going to seek “a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress,” including commitments about Israel “not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines.”
Will Obama honor this request? Unlikely. But it is good that it is going to be made. Netanyahu has made clear that Israel will not acquiesce to Obama’s betrayal and go gently into the night.
And so now more than ever, all free people must stand with Israel.
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Netanyahu to Obama: Don't sweep problems under the rug
JERUSALEM POST ^ | 5-20-11 | HERB KEINON
PM en route to Washington says "sometimes being right also means being smart," stresses he will bring up "principal matters" regarding Israel's existence with US president during meeting. Talkbacks (2) WASHINGTON - Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu en route to a Washington meeting Friday morning with US President Barack Obama, said "there are certain things that cannot be swept under the rug."
Netanyahu was referring to a negative response Thursday to President Obama's Mideast speech.
"Sometimes being right also means being smart," he said, playing on the phrase that sometimes it's better to be smart than right.
He said this is especially true when dealing with principal matters that are part of the Israeli consensus.
Netanyahu said he will bring these matters up in his meeting with Obama and in his speech to congress and AIPAC.
He is expected to meet the president for an hour at 11:15 local time, after which they will both issue statements before going into a working lunch.
Netanyahu issued a quick, bitter response on Thursday night to Obama’s speech, saying that the establishment of a Palestinian state could not come “at Israel’s expense.”
“The Palestinians, and not only the US, must recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people,” he said.
Netanyahu said he “expects to hear from President Obama a reconfirmation of commitments to Israel from 2004 that received wide support in both houses of Congress.”
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Like Batchelor says : Obama is living in an alternate reality and delusional to history and common sense.
http://wabcradio.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=33447&ID=2191706
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Screw that crap - so should we give back california to La Raza?
Screw obama, piss and puke be upon him. Who the hell is he in this but a marxist communist grifter and looting thief with a bullhorn?
piss and puke on you chump.. you throw this shit around because he has a different political view than you.. get a hold of yourself and conduct yourself as a god damn adult.. tha fuck is wrong with you
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It all comes down to this whethe rthe obamacunts like mal, benny, blacken, straw, kc, andre want to accept it or not.
Fuck obama and everyone who supports him. Those who still support him are no different than KSM, OBL, Ayeres, Wright, or any other terrorist, seditiuous force IMHO.
ahhhh shut your goofy ass up.. you runnin around like a god damn chicken little asswhipe.. if obama would have said "fuck off middle east" your monkey ass would have it in your Gas inflation thread "obama said fuck arabs., what does that do for gas...youtube clip youtube clip article.. FDSDFGVDGTDRG....man your shit is tired and old
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do you need a back story too ? maybe help you comprehend the picture? I should have labeled what it was, I forgot the audience here! L O L
Your "back story" is full of lies. Just like that map. There has never been an autonomous "Palestinian" state or nation. NEVER!!
Here is the REAL "back story".
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Obama cant even secure our own borders yet he wants to tell everyone else what to do with theirs.
Pure comedy on his part.
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Meanwhile - Obama is up against the War Powers Act deadline tommorow and even some in his own party are saying he is about break the law as he is acting in lawless fashion in that little jaunt.
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More lies from 2008 pandering to liberal Jews t get their vote. Morons for voting for this devil.
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Hope and Change!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Now, really. Could any of the current GOP candidates do any worse? Seriously. Not even Palin in her worst day could be that stupid.
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More lies from 2008 pandering to liberal Jews t get their vote. Morons for voting for this devil.
See. The GOP has to seize on this golden opportunity. Start putting TV ads showing what he said on this video and the speech he gave yesterday.
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Yeah, the barbarians who voted for Hamas really deserve a state. ::) ::) ::)
This is part of the problem, you have the PLO which did/does nothing to stop Hamas from indiscriminately launching rockets into Israel. So the logical thing would be to vote them into the "government" ::). On top of that Hamas is waging a proxy war on behalf of Iran, and does not have the interests of the Palestinians in mind, or maybe they are doing exactly what the Palestinians want them to. Either way the Arafats of the world get rich on "aid money", while the people starve, and they are so brain washed they believe that the root of all there problems are the Jews, while the real reason is their own leaders.
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Obama knows that people like Mal, Benny, Blacken, Andre, Straw, et al have tiny memories whn it comes to hi lies and that they will support im no matter what he does.
To these mindless lemmings, its ok for Obama to lie ince its a form of Takiqya against the evil right wing and GOP.
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Obama knows that people like Mal, Benny, Blacken, Andre, Straw, et al have tiny memories whn it comes to hi lies and that they will support im no matter what he does.
To these mindless lemmings, its ok for Obama to lie ince its a form of Takiqya against the evil right wing and GOP.
what we support is peace,,,,and the Palestinians and Israel have got to make peace finally....we can't keep giving Israel 3-4 billion a year in aid..we are broke...if Israel wants to be at war forever then they have to pay for it....and the Pals have to understand that Israel will never ever give up Israel and thy have got to make a deal as well.....
Obama's plan cuts through all the bullshit...get back the 1967 borders with land swaps here and there to make it even..simple as that.....it is difficult, but you have to make peace with the people who hate you..history has shown over and over that this is what you have to do....
either that., or Israel must totally defeat the Palestinians militarily
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what we support is peace,,,,and the Palestinians and Israel have got to make peace finally....we can't keep giving Israel 3-4 billion a year in aid..we are broke...if Israel wants to be at war forever then they have to pay for it....and the Pals have to understand that Israel will never ever give up Israel and thy have got to make a deal as well.....
Obama's plan cuts through all the bullshit...get back the 1967 borders with land swaps here and there to make it even..simple as that.....it is difficult, but you have to make peace with the people who hate you..history has shown over and over that this is what you have to do....
either that., or Israel must totally defeat the Palestinians militarily
The problem is there can't be peace in the ME right now because the Palestinians and Arabs at large there do not want a two state solution. They want a one state solution that involves the Jews being not there, preferably dead. The west can keep pretending that the issue is settlements but it's a ruse. The Arabs do not want the Jews in that region. Also, their leaders want to keep their people in poverty and ignorant. Best means to do that is to continually blame an outside agitator, so the Jews provide that.
Sorry, but the notion that simply ceding back territory fixes any of this is naive and completely ignorant of history and the reality of these people.
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do you need a back story too ? maybe help you comprehend the picture? I should have labeled what it was, I forgot the audience here! L O L
You have no fucking clue what the audience is here, and the fact that you directed the above post at a poster who never follows the company line, Repub or Dem, proves it.
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Obama will call for billions in aid to Egypt and Tunisia
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Barack Obama will use his speech to the Arab world Thursday to call for billions of dollars in financial assistance to Egypt and Tunisia as part of a comprehensive approach to the "Arab Spring" movement that he hopes will boost democratic reforms and America's reputation in the region.
The aid package, which would unfold over two to three years, would include an estimated $1 billion in debt cancellation, $1 billion in loan guarantees and several billion more in financing from multilateral institutions such as the World Bank,
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Screw that crap - so should we give back california to La Raza?
Screw obama, piss and puke be upon him. Who the hell is he in this but a marxist communist grifter and looting thief with a bullhorn?
LOL. You may not realize it, but your lunatic rantings are helping Obama. There are a lot of people that would prefer to not have Obama and his redistribution of wealth nonsense in office, but we will still support him. Why? Because the alternative is the right wing and its supporters...lunatics like you. Good Job :)
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Obama Tells Israel: Turn Over The Tomb Of Jesus To Hamas
gateway pundit ^ | 5/19/11 | Jim Hoft
Posted on May 19, 2011 9:17:06 PM EDT by Nachum
Today when Barack Obama told Israel to move back to the 1967 borders he effectively gave half of Jerusalem, the Wailing Wall, The Temple Mount, Old Jerusalem, The holiest Christian Church in the world, The Church of the Holy Sepulchre to the Hamas-Fatah terror alliance.
This is what Barack Obama wants to give to Hamas.
(Excerpt) Read more at gatewaypundit.rightnetwo rk.com ...
Genesis 12
The Call of Abram
1 The LORD had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.
2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse
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Why? Israel was attacked over and over again and took territory in each conflict. So they should just give it back?
Exactly..
Obama should just shut his pie hole about Isreal...
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The problem is there can't be peace in the ME right now because the Palestinians and Arabs at large there do not want a two state solution. They want a one state solution that involves the Jews being not there, preferably dead. The west can keep pretending that the issue is settlements but it's a ruse. The Arabs do not want the Jews in that region. Also, their leaders want to keep their people in poverty and ignorant. Best means to do that is to continually blame an outside agitator, so the Jews provide that.
Sorry, but the notion that simply ceding back territory fixes any of this is naive and completely ignorant of history and the reality of these people.
Spot on.
Close the thread.
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what we support is peace,,,,
::) Tell that to Libya. What you support is nation building - something you Dems seem to love to rally against.
and the Palestinians and Israel have got to make peace finally....we can't keep giving Israel 3-4 billion a year in aid..we are broke...if Israel wants to be at war forever then they have to pay for it....and the Pals have to understand that Israel will never ever give up Israel and thy have got to make a deal as well.....
Yet Obama can find money for Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Gaza, and on.
Obama's plan cuts through all the bullshit...get back the 1967 borders with land swaps here and there to make it even..simple as that.....it is difficult, but you have to make peace with the people who hate you..history has shown over and over that this is what you have to do....
It doesn't cut through anything and it and it fails to actually propose a solution for the attacks that Israel is consistently under, doesn't address mobility, doesn't address the water rights issue, doesn't address Jerusalem, and on and on.
There's nothing simple about the issue other than maybe one side eliminating the other. And even that, I would argue, would probably evoke a military backlash via NATO.
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UNSCOP which gave the right to Israel to exist, also gives the right to Palestine to exist and drew up those borders. Those should be the exact borders.
Haha, right to exist? The only thing that gives any nation its right to exist is the willingness and ability of its people to stop others from coming in and saying they can't exist.
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Haha, right to exist? The only thing that gives any nation its right to exist is the willingness and ability of its people to stop others from coming in and saying they can't exist.
In Israel's case that was terrorist activity against arabs and british targets. There is no innocent side here. The solution backed by Obama was the same backed by Bush and is the same line backed by Clinton and so forth. It's the only fair way that will bring about some semblance of peace. Sure there will still be crazies on both sides trying to expel the other, but that does not mean Palestine does not have a right to exist.
The same UN that called for the creation of a Jewish state, is the same UN that called for a creation of the Palestinian state. That same UN should enforce it. Simple as that.
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In Israel's case that was terrorist activity against arabs and british targets. There is no innocent side here. The solution backed by Obama was the same backed by Bush and is the same line backed by Clinton and so forth. It's the only fair way that will bring about some semblance of peace. Sure there will still be crazies on both sides trying to expel the other, but that does not mean Palestine does not have a right to exist.
The same UN that called for the creation of a Jewish state, is the same UN that called for a creation of the Palestinian state. That same UN should enforce it. Simple as that.
So you are saying that all of the sudden now if they move back to the '67 borders there will be peace? But in '67 there was no peace why would there be now? What power does the UN have to enforce anything?
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So you are saying that all of the sudden now if they move back to the '67 borders there will be peace? But in '67 there was no peace why would there be now? What power does the UN have to enforce anything?
Nope read what i said - Sure there will still be crazies on both sides trying to expel the other, but that does not mean Palestine does not have a right to exist.
However, i firmly believe the creation of a stable Palestinian country will reduce the amount of violence we currently see. Skirmishes will happen, perhaps even another war. Who knows? That does not take away the right for Palestine to exist. The same UN committee that said a jewish state should exist paving the way for the creation of Israel, also called for the creation of a Palestinian state.
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In Israel's case that was terrorist activity against arabs and british targets. There is no innocent side here. The solution backed by Obama was the same backed by Bush and is the same line backed by Clinton and so forth. It's the only fair way that will bring about some semblance of peace. Sure there will still be crazies on both sides trying to expel the other, but that does not mean Palestine does not have a right to exist.
The same UN that called for the creation of a Jewish state, is the same UN that called for a creation of the Palestinian state. That same UN should enforce it. Simple as that.
Life isn't fair - tough shit, deal with it.
The only right Palestine has to exist is their willingness and ability to fight for it - same as any other nation. Thus far, they've seemed to fail miserably.
And the origins of a nation are immaterial. We're not giving back the Indians all of their land, nor should the Jews give back what they fought for.
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Life isn't fair - tough shit, deal with it.
The only right Palestine has to exist is their willingness and ability to fight for it - same as any other nation. Thus far, they've seemed to fail miserably.
And the origins of a nation are immaterial. We're not giving back the Indians all of their land, nor should the Jews give back what they fought for.
Interesting. So you support the actions of Hamas? Perhaps not the goal but you atleast do not condemn their actions?
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LOL. You may not realize it, but your lunatic rantings are helping Obama. There are a lot of people that would prefer to not have Obama and his redistribution of wealth nonsense in office, but we will still support him. Why? Because the alternative is the right wing and its supporters...lunatics like you. Good Job :)
many repubs dont want obama voters. they aren't welcoming to them at all.
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many repubs dont want obama voters. they aren't welcoming to them at all.
To me, the Republican party stands for religious oppression, limiting individual freedoms and race intolerance. I'd rather pay more taxes than be associated with any of those viewpoints.
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To me, the Republican party stands for religious oppression, limiting individual freedoms and race intolerance. I'd rather pay more taxes than be associated with any of those viewpoints.
And that explains why you are delusional. The reason why you think that is because you are a sheep of the Democratic party. The same party that when it came into existence supported the KKK.
Say baaaa, sheep, say baaaaaa.
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And that explains why you are delusional. The reason why you think that is because you are a sheep of the Democratic party. The same party that when it came into existence supported the KKK.
Say baaaa, sheep, say baaaaaa.
Oh brother ::) I'm not a democrat either.
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Hope and Change!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Now, really. Could any of the current GOP candidates do any worse? Seriously. Not even Palin in her worst day could be that stupid.
If you believe that then you are the stupid one
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To me, the Republican party stands for religious oppression, limiting individual freedoms and race intolerance. I'd rather pay more taxes than be associated with any of those viewpoints.
What's happening Mindspring ;D
Can you post a little more on the types of relig. oppression, indiv. freedoms and race intolerance you're talking about?
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This is part of the problem, you have the PLO which did/does nothing to stop Hamas from indiscriminately launching rockets into Israel. So the logical thing would be to vote them into the "government" ::). On top of that Hamas is waging a proxy war on behalf of Iran, and does not have the interests of the Palestinians in mind, or maybe they are doing exactly what the Palestinians want them to. Either way the Arafats of the world get rich on "aid money", while the people starve, and they are so brain washed they believe that the root of all there problems are the Jews, while the real reason is their own leaders.
this is true
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The problem is there can't be peace in the ME right now because the Palestinians and Arabs at large there do not want a two state solution. They want a one state solution that involves the Jews being not there, preferably dead. The west can keep pretending that the issue is settlements but it's a ruse. The Arabs do not want the Jews in that region. Also, their leaders want to keep their people in poverty and ignorant. Best means to do that is to continually blame an outside agitator, so the Jews provide that.
Sorry, but the notion that simply ceding back territory fixes any of this is naive and completely ignorant of history and the reality of these people.
never said that ceding back territory was the solution..it has to be done under a comprehensive peace with othe things included such as security guarantees for Israel
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::) Tell that to Libya. What you support is nation building - something you Dems seem to love to rally against.
don't support nation building per se, but the only way to get the Palestinian government to function properly and not fall into being a terrorist nation is to build it from the ground up...the Israelis are working well with the Palestinian government on the west bank
Yet Obama can find money for Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Gaza, and on.
you're mixing apples and oranges.....none of those countries were in a perpetual state of war like Israel is..who do you think pays for that???...US!
It doesn't cut through anything and it and it fails to actually propose a solution for the attacks that Israel is consistently under, doesn't address mobility, doesn't address the water rights issue, doesn't address Jerusalem, and on and on.
you can't have everything addressed in one speech..come on...all that stuff will be addressed later..
There's nothing simple about the issue other than maybe one side eliminating the other. And even that, I would argue, would probably evoke a military backlash via NATO.
no one is going to eliminate the Israelis....they will fight to the last man to keep that land....but if Israel totally wipes out Hezbollah and Hamas, then maybe the Pals will negotiate and sue for peace
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In Israel's case that was terrorist activity against arabs and british targets. There is no innocent side here. The solution backed by Obama was the same backed by Bush and is the same line backed by Clinton and so forth. It's the only fair way that will bring about some semblance of peace. Sure there will still be crazies on both sides trying to expel the other, but that does not mean Palestine does not have a right to exist.
The same UN that called for the creation of a Jewish state, is the same UN that called for a creation of the Palestinian state. That same UN should enforce it. Simple as that.
exactly
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Clinton got Peres to offer 95% of what the Palis wanted and Arafat turned it down.
Since then, these animals have launched rockets, launched intifidas, etc.
Why should these beasts be rewarded for such violent behavior?
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If you believe that then you are the stupid one
Trust me, retard. Even in my worst day, I could never be as stupid as you.
This is the stupid test for you:
Given the fact that Obama has failed miserably as president, will you vote for him in 2012? I know your answer is Yes. Therefore, you are THE stupid one.
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The problem is there can't be peace in the ME right now because the Palestinians and Arabs at large there do not want a two state solution. They want a one state solution that involves the Jews being not there, preferably dead. The west can keep pretending that the issue is settlements but it's a ruse. The Arabs do not want the Jews in that region. Also, their leaders want to keep their people in poverty and ignorant. Best means to do that is to continually blame an outside agitator, so the Jews provide that.
Sorry, but the notion that simply ceding back territory fixes any of this is naive and completely ignorant of history and the reality of these people.
Fucking right... This is the problem right here.
Israel is not the country shooting rockets and mortars at other people... They have never attacked unless been attacked.
The "Arab States" want to wipe the "Jewish State" off the map, and they've said so many times. Israel just wants to be left alone... That said, I think we give too much aide in money to Israel, but they are a real partner and I get it.
You have no fucking clue what the audience is here, and the fact that you directed the above post at a poster who never follows the company line, Repub or Dem, proves it.
Just wanted to give a "Thanks" here... Nice to see someone "gets it".
My positions aren't just going to waste...
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Interesting. So you support the actions of Hamas? Perhaps not the goal but you atleast do not condemn their actions?
Why would I support the actions of Hamas? They want to fight the Israeli's fine, but the cowardly bastards hide behind civilian population to stir up outrage against Israel when they retaliate.
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In Israel's case that was terrorist activity against arabs and british targets. There is no innocent side here. The solution backed by Obama was the same backed by Bush and is the same line backed by Clinton and so forth. It's the only fair way that will bring about some semblance of peace. Sure there will still be crazies on both sides trying to expel the other, but that does not mean Palestine does not have a right to exist.
The same UN that called for the creation of a Jewish state, is the same UN that called for a creation of the Palestinian state. That same UN should enforce it. Simple as that.
I'm going to ask you again, how exactly is the UN going to enforce anything?
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I'm going to ask you again, how exactly is the UN going to enforce anything?
This is a valid question... Have they enforced anything yet?
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This is a valid question... Have they enforced anything yet?
Nothing strikes fear like harsh language and empty resolutions
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This is a valid question... Have they enforced anything yet?
Yeah - the payoffs in the oil for food mess.
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Nothing strikes fear like harsh language and empty resolutions
As always, it's the US footing the bill for these "UN resolutions".
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As always, it's the US footing the bill for these "UN resolutions".
Obama is also giving billons in aid and canceling out billions in Egyptian debt.
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Obama is also giving billons in aid and canceling out billions in Egyptian debt.
Every day we get closer to the 2012 election... Obama fucks up a little bit more.
I hoped for change... I got the shaft.
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Every day we get closer to the 2012 election... Obama fucks up a little bit more.
I hoped for change... I got the shaft.
Its because he puts his agenda ahead of what is good for the nation and what is called for when circumstances change.
Its on issue after issue. Healthcare, etc etc.
He seems utterly oblivious t reality and has his set agenda in his head, and thats it.
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Hamas Responds to Obama’s Anti-Israel Speech: We Will Not Recognize Israel Under Any Circumstances
gateway pundit ^ | May 20, 2011
Hamas released a statement following the far left president’s naive speech. The terror group will not recognize Israel under any circumstance. YNet News reported:
Obama’s Mideast policy speech Thursday was a “total failure,” Hamas said Thursday evening.
“The (Arab) nation does not need a lesson on democracy from Obama,” said Hamas spokesman in the Gaza Strip, Sami Abu-Zuhri. “Rather, Obama is the one who needs the lesson given his absolute endorsement of Israel’s crimes and his refusal to condemn Israel’s occupation.”
“We will not recognize the Israeli occupation under any circumstances,” the Hamas spokesman said, while adding: “We object to intervention in our internal affairs.”
(Excerpt) Read more at gatewaypundit.rightnetwo rk.com ...
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Netanyahu tells Obama: Israel cannot go back to the 1967 borders
Haaretz ^ | 5/20/11 | haaretz service
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with U.S. President Barack Obama in Washington on Friday, holding a closed door session in the Oval Office after which each delivered statements to the press.
The two leaders' comments come a day after the U.S. president's Mideast policy speech called for negotiations for two-state solution based on 1967 lines.
Obama opened the conference saying that the changes in the region such as what has happened in Egypt with the fall of Mubarak, are an opportunity for prosperity. He said that the 'Arab Spring' is a window for change, and that the United States plans to be closely involved.
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Trust me, retard. Even in my worst day, I could never be as stupid as you.
This is the stupid test for you:
Given the fact that Obama has failed miserably as president, will you vote for him in 2012? I know your answer is Yes. Therefore, you are THE stupid one.
well nitwit, my answer at this point is yes I would...what republican right now has accomplished more than Obama????
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well nitwit, my answer at this point is yes I would...what republican right now has accomplished more than Obama????
It's ok, Forrest Gump. Retards like you are disconnected from reality.
HOPE AND CHANGE!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! That really worked well.
After all is said and done, Obama became the third Bush term that all of you feared and tried to prevent by voting for the incompetent community organizer.
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Obama owns your mind numbers guy, you don't go a day without obsessing over him, and just think Obama doesn't even know you exist, he is so far beyond you, mentally and physically you could never even come close, at least this message board is something you have.
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Obama owns your mind numbers guy, you don't go a day without obsessing over him, and just think Obama doesn't even know you exist, he is so far beyond you, mentally and physically you could never even come close, at least this message board is something you have.
ha ha ha - Stim Bill, Obamacare, cash for clunkers, home tax credit, all FFFFAAAAIIILLLLLL
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ha ha ha - Stim Bill, Obamacare, cash for clunkers, home tax credit, all FFFFAAAAIIILLLLLL
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Israel's Netanyahu rejects Obama proposal on borders
4:44pm EDT
By Jeffrey Heller and Matt Spetalnick
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/20/us-obama-mideast-netanyahu-idUSTRE74I7L720110520
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Friday bluntly rejected President Barack Obama's vision for the borders of a future Palestinian state, opening up one of the deepest divides in years between Washington and the Jewish state.
In an unusually sharp rebuke to Israel's closest ally, Netanyahu told Obama his endorsement of a long-standing Palestinian demand to go back to Israel's 1967 boundaries -- meaning big concessions of occupied land -- would leave Israel "indefensible."
"Peace based on illusions will crash eventually on the rocks of Middle East reality," an unsmiling Netanyahu said as Obama listened intently beside him in the Oval Office.
He insisted that Israel was willing to make compromises for peace, but made clear he had major differences with Washington over how to advance the long-stalled peace process.
Netanyahu's firm resistance now raises the question of how hard Obama will push for concessions he is unlikely to get, and whether the peace vision he laid out on Thursday will ever get off the ground.
Despite assurances of friendship by both leaders, this week's events also appeared to herald tense months ahead for U.S.-Israeli relations, even as the Arab world goes through political tumult and Palestinians prepare a unilateral bid this fall for statehood at the United Nations.
Speaking to reporters after the meeting, Obama said he reiterated to Netanyahu the peace "principles" he offered on Thursday in a policy speech on Middle East political upheaval.
The goal, he said, "has to be a secure Israeli state, a Jewish state, but continuous security with a completely functioning and effective Palestinian state."
Obama on Thursday embraced a long-sought goal by the Palestinians: that the state they seek in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip should largely be drawn along lines that existed before the 1967 war in which Israel captured those territories and East Jerusalem.
But Netanyahu, who heads a right-leaning, pro-settler coalition, said, "We can't go back to those indefensible lines."
CRISIS IN RELATIONS
The brewing crisis in U.S.-Israeli relations dimmed even further the prospect for resuming peace talks that collapsed late last year when Palestinians walked away in a dispute over Israeli settlement building in the West Bank.
The Israeli leader has had strained relations with Obama in the past, and their latest meeting seemed unlikely to improve their personal chemistry.
"There is a feeling that Washington does not understand the reality, doesn't understand what we face," an official on board the plane taking Netanyahu to Washington told reporters.
Israel also has underlined its position by announcing the approval of plans to build 1,550 housing units in two Jewish settlements on annexed West Bank land around Jerusalem.
Obama's first outright declaration of his stance on the contested issue of borders could help ease doubts in the Arab world about his commitment to acting as an even-handed broker.
But in line with Netanyahu's stance, Obama voiced opposition to a Palestinian plan to seek U.N. recognition of statehood in September in the absence of renewed peace talks.
The Democratic president quickly came under fire from Republican critics, who accused him of betraying Israel, the closest U.S. ally in the region.
Pushing Netanyahu risks also alienating the Jewish state's base of support among the U.S. public and in Congress as Obama seeks re-election in 2012.
Obama, in his speech on Thursday, laid down his clearest markers yet on the compromises he believes Israel and the Palestinians must make to resolve a conflict that has long been seen as source of Middle East tension.
But he did not present a formal U.S. peace plan or any timetable for a deal he had once promised to clinch by September.
Talks brokered by Washington at Obama's initiative collapsed last year when Netanyahu refused to extend a moratorium on settlement building in the West Bank.
In Thursday's speech, Obama said: "We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps" of land.
While this has long been the private view in Washington, Obama went further than U.S. officials have gone in the recent past, when they described such a solution as a Palestinian aspiration but did not embrace it as their own.
Agreed swaps would allow Israel to keep settlements in the West Bank in return for giving the Palestinians other land.
(Additional reporting by Jeffrey Heller, Allyn Fisher-Ilan, Ori Lewis and Nidal al-Mughrabi; Editing by Bill Trott and Philip Barbara)
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Obama is also giving billons in aid and canceling out billions in Egyptian debt.
you idiot...this is brilliant strategy...Obama is cancelling something we weren't going to get back anyway.....Egypt wasn't going to pay us back that money...so we engendered a lot of good will for doing nothing...it was brilliant....
you would see this if you weren't so negative
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It's ok, Forrest Gump. Retards like you are disconnected from reality.
HOPE AND CHANGE!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! That really worked well.
After all is said and done, Obama became the third Bush term that all of you feared and tried to prevent by voting for the incompetent community organizer.
sigh.....unfortunately your mind is not complex enough to understand what you are saying....and why argue with you?...you're just an angry -ass nothing who posts on bodybuilding boards due to you feeling powerless and frustrated....Obama is president..deal with it....he will be around for four more years..deal with it.....your dumb angry tirades won't change that...
get a psychiatrist...HOPE AND CHANGE in your face!!!!!!...hahahahahhahahhhha
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you idiot...this is brilliant strategy...Obama is cancelling something we weren't going to get back anyway.....Egypt wasn't going to pay us back that money...so we engendered a lot of good will for doing nothing...it was brilliant....
you would see this if you weren't so negative
WTF is wrong with you7?
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Obama is also giving billons in aid and canceling out billions in Egyptian debt.
they been giving egypt money for 30 years,nothing new
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they been giving egypt money for 30 years,nothing new
Looks like it has even gone down in recent years under Bama
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm (http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm)
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Looks like it has even gone down in recent years under Bama
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm (http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm)
they try to make it look like it's something new, i guess if you have nothing better to do. rush told them so :D :D
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they try to make it look like it's something new, i guess if you have nothing better to do. rush told them so :D :D
::) ::)
If your messiah is so concerned about the debt - why is he doing this?
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Why is he doing what?
It's less under Bama.
Geez, talk about a crash and burn argument.
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Why is he doing what?
It's less under Bama.
Geez, talk about a crash and burn argument.
::) ::)
Yeah ok Ozmo - our national debt and deficit has only been run up by TRILLIONS under obama in a fraction of the time it did bush, so spare me the crap about him being some type of fiscally prudent person.
Maybe he spent a little less there, but he is collapsing the nation debt wise everywhere else.
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Your argument was he was sending them billions as if Obama was newly doing this.
However the FACTs were it's been going on for a long time and Under Obama we have been sending less.
In other words:
33333 Argument inaccuracy and fail.
;D
There should be a factcheck website dedicated just to your posts. Lol
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Your argument was he was sending them billions as if Obama was newly doing this.
However the FACTs were it's been going on for a long time and Under Obama we have been sending less.
In other words:
33333 Argument inaccuracy and fail.
;D
There should be a factcheck website dedicated just to your posts. Lol
Hahaha love it! Nothing like watching a good ownage!
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I am not even meaning too. 33333 makes some argument and sparks my interest, so I google it and check it out.
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Your argument was he was sending them billions as if Obama was newly doing this.
However the FACTs were it's been going on for a long time and Under Obama we have been sending less.
In other words:
33333 Argument inaccuracy and fail.
;D
There should be a factcheck website dedicated just to your posts. Lol
::) ::)
Yeah, I'm sure ts some conscious policy of obama to send lss money abroad. and just because thelast poiece of shit did does not make it ok for bush to do it.
Amazing you guys still fall back on the but bush did it too defense.
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I am not even meaning too. 33333 makes some argument and sparks my interest, so I google it and check it out.
Haha you have more patience than most. I don't even bother reading what he posts. It's always slanted rubbish aimed at his agenda. Sure it may contain some truth but only insofar as elephants sh*t may contain some peanuts but i'm not gonna go looking for them.
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When did I bring up Bush?
Just admit it 33333, you were talking out of your ass again and got exposed.
It's alright man, like I have told many times before, there no need to put up false arguments against Obama.
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Haha you have more patience than most. I don't even bother reading what he posts. It's always slanted rubbish aimed at his agenda. Sure it may contain some truth but only insofar as elephants sh*t may contain some peanuts but i'm not gonna go looking for them.
Yeah i don't always read the plethora of articles he posts because they are just usually as you say slanted op-Ed pieces.
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Oh yeah - my misery index thread is real chock full of opinion pieces. Ha ha ha.
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Misery index?
Nah, a lot of your posts are op-Ed articles. No big deal. I just dont have the time to shred all of them. Like that stupid video Of yours i finally watched and wiped my ass with.
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Which one?
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Which one?
The Birther one. You remember, the one you were so excited about.
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I would like to take this time to emulate that which I have been recently accused of:
333333 Is right.
Don't pick on 3333333.
Dont challenge 3333333
He is never out of line
Everything he says is ok.
;D
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This is a valid question... Have they enforced anything yet?
They couldn't even agree on a strongly worded letter to Syria. They aren't enforcing shit.
The UN loves genocide. Hi, Rwanda and Darfur! Then again, can't expect much more when countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, China, Cuba, Russia, Libya and a litany of the most egregious human rights violators on the planet dominate the council dedicated to human rights. ::)
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Like a 400lb. Dietician.
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I take it back. Forget their inability to even agree on a strong-worded letter. I had forgotten that Syria actually stands to gain membership into the Human Rights council at the next vote because no other country from that region will challenge them for the spot.
Hooray for the UN. Slaughter your own people, get a spot on the council that determines human rights for the planet! Yessir, the US and Japan are smart to continue footing 1/3 of the yearly bill (with the US over 25% of that) for a 196 nation organization that has made institutionalized genocide perfectly acceptable.
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Yeah, I'm sure ts some conscious policy of obama to send lss money abroad. and just because thelast poiece of shit did does not make it ok for bush to do it.
Amazing you guys still fall back on the but bush did it too defense.
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Like a 400lb. Dietician.
Disparaging comments about the First Lady will not be tolerated. >:(
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Ottawa won’t back Obama’s Mideast peace proposal
DANIEL LEBLANC
OTTAWA— Globe and Mail Update
Published Friday, May. 20, 2011 3:01PM EDT
Last updated Friday, May. 20, 2011 3:49PM EDT
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The Harper government is refusing to join the United States in calling for a return to 1967 borders as a starting point for Mideast peace, a position that has drawn sharp criticism from Canada’s staunch ally Israel.
At a briefing ahead of the upcoming G8 summit in France, federal officials said the basis for the negotiations must be mutually agreed upon.
Ha ha ha ha.
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SWC: Israel Should Reject a Return to 1967 'Auschwitz' Borders
The Simon Wiesenthal Center ^ | staff
Posted on May 19, 2011 2:41:42 PM EDT by Nachum
The Simon Wiesenthal Center commended President Obama's call for further democratization in the Arab world but expressed deep disappointment that he called for Israel's return to the pre-June 1967 borders.
"We welcome the President's recognition of Israel's security needs and that Hamas cannot be a partner in the peace process, but a call to a return to 1967 borders as the basis for negotiations, even with 'land swaps' is a non-starter, when at least half of the Palestinian rulers are committed to Israel's destruction," said Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper, founder and dean, and associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
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WTF is wrong with you7?
you MUST be looking in the mirror while saying that, right???
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Your argument was he was sending them billions as if Obama was newly doing this.
However the FACTs were it's been going on for a long time and Under Obama we have been sending less.
In other words:
33333 Argument inaccuracy and fail.
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There should be a factcheck website dedicated just to your posts. Lol
AGAIN????????
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They couldn't even agree on a strongly worded letter to Syria. They aren't enforcing shit.
The UN loves genocide. Hi, Rwanda and Darfur! Then again, can't expect much more when countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, China, Cuba, Russia, Libya and a litany of the most egregious human rights violators on the planet dominate the council dedicated to human rights. ::)
I get what you're trying to say and you kinda make a point but if we all want to be brutally honest, ALL counties were built on genocide..not condoning it at all just an observation
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AGAIN????????
x2 guys does it all the time, gets called out then back peddles.
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Benjamin Netanyahu rebukes Barack Obama over 1967 plan
The Telegraph ^ | 5/20/2011 | By Toby Harnden, Washington and Adrian Blomfield
Posted on May 21, 2011 12:16:03 AM EDT by bruinbirdman
Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, has issued a public rebuke to Barack Obama's face, telling the US president his proposed border for the Jewish state would be "indefensible" and not based on reality.
Mr Netanyahu's anger was compounded by the fact that he had been taken by surprise, learning the contents of Mr Obama's Thursday speech about the future of the Middle East just a few hours before it was delivered.
During a furious phone call to Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, shortly before the speech, Mr Netanyahu stated that American backing for a state based on the borders that existed before Israel's Six-Day war of 1967 with Egypt, Syria and Jordan was unacceptable.
Netanyahu's aides went further. "There is a feeling that Washington does not understand the reality, Washington does not understand what we face," one official accompanying Mr Netanyahu to the United States said.
His aides went further. "There is a feeling that Washington does not understand the reality, Washington does not understand what we face," one official accompanying Mr Netanyahu to the United States said.
In an often tetchy relationship, Mr Obama has frequently appeared to have come off second best to Mr Netanyahu, particularly over the issue of Jewish settlement construction . . . .
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And every other issue well.
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Ronald Wilson Reagan vs. Barack Hussein Obama on Israel: What a contrast
AIPNews.com ^ | May 21, 2011 | Tom and Siena Hoefling
Posted on May 21, 2011 1:56:34 PM EDT by EternalVigilance
Over the last few days, as the immoral, incoherent, supremely dangerous policies of Barack Obama concerning our friend and ally Israel have come into greater focus than ever before, we have been struck by the stark contrast with the principles and policies of President Ronald Reagan.
Ronald Reagan:
“The safety and security of the United States and the safety and
security of Israel are all part of a larger cause: the cause of human
rights for every man, woman, and child on this Earth.”
-- Ronald Reagan, remarks to supporters of Israel at White House Briefing on United States foreign policy, March 15, 1988
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1988/031588a.htm
“[W]hen it comes to Israel, the United States is not a bargainer or a
broker: The United States is a friend and an ally. And that's why one
of the things I'm proudest of is the steps we've been able to take
during this administration to build a stronger foundation of enduring
friendship and cooperation. For example, strategic cooperation --
something other administrations shied away from -- is now a commitment our two governments have made to each other. It responds to our mutual needs and is a reminder to all that no wedge will be driven between the United States and Israel.”
-- Ronald Reagan, remarks to supporters of Israel at White House Briefing on United States foreign policy, March 15, 1988
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1988/031588a.htm
“Our policy has as its basis -- and this is a first principle in any
negotiation -- the assuring of Israel's freedom and security. We will
not leave Israel to stand alone, nor will we acquiesce in any effort
to gang up on Israel. Peace will not be imposed by us or by anyone
else. It will and must come from the genuine give-and-take of
negotiations.”
-- Ronald Reagan, remarks to supporters of Israel at White House Briefing on United States foreign policy, March 15, 1988
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1988/031588a.htm
“Only a few years ago, some Americans were beginning to question what we stood for in the world. Our nation has now regained its confidence and sense of purpose. We've returned to proclaiming enthusiastically the democratic ideals that inspired our Founding Fathers and the Founding Fathers of Israel. And I think this vigorous foreign policy is good, of course, for Israel because the United States is thought of today as a strong nation and a reliable ally. This has helped move the process of peace forward throughout the world, and it has enhanced the security with all our friends and allies. And what I hope you've noticed during the past few years is that we have moved American foreign policy away from the notion that mere containment is enough, that we have willingly and openly proclaimed to the world that our goal is not just peace but freedom as well, that we seek not separate spheres of influence or a simple balance of power or a deadening stalemate with totalitarianism, that we seek instead a day when every person in every land will share fully in the blessings of freedom. And that's the core of our foreign policy: protecting the security of the United States while advancing the cause of world freedom and democratic rights.”
-- Ronald Reagan, remarks to supporters of Israel at White House Briefing on United States foreign policy, March 15, 1988
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1988/031588a.htm
“We're making the future in which our children will live. Only the
courage to act will ensure that it is a more peaceful, secure, and
free world.”
-- Ronald Reagan, remarks at a White House Meeting with Jewish Leaders,
February 2, 1983
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/20283b.htm
“In the words of the scripture, the time had come to ‘follow after the
things which make for peace.’ Tonight I want to report to you the
steps we've taken and the prospects they can open up for a just and
lasting peace in the Middle East. America has long been committed to
bringing peace to this troubled region. For more than a generation,
successive United States administrations have endeavored to develop a
fair and workable process that could lead to a true and lasting
Arab-Israeli peace. Our involvement in the search for Mideast peace is
not a matter of preference; it's a moral imperative. The strategic
importance of the region to the United States is well known, but our
policy is motivated by more than strategic interests. We also have an
irreversible commitment to the survival and territorial integrity of
friendly states. Nor can we ignore the fact that the well-being of
much of the world's economy is tied to stability in the strife-torn
Middle East. Finally, our traditional humanitarian concerns dictated a
continuing effort to peacefully resolve conflicts.”
-- Ronald Reagan, address to the nation on United States policy for peace in the Middle East, September 1, 1982
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1982/90182d.htm
Our foreign and defense policy must have a moral basis for it to ever be effective or lasting. Ronald Reagan understood this, and knew that such an understanding was the foundation for Peace through Strength.
Of this, of course, Barack Hussein Obama knows nothing, as he has continuously demonstrated in all of his policies, foreign and domestic.
As in all other things, those who build their houses on shifting sand will find their work swept away in the inevitable storms of time and history.
And so, we pray that in the dangerous days ahead, may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob raise up leaders who understand the timeless moral truths upon which our civilization depends, who can then bring clarity and true vision to bear so that the people too can understand, and act accordingly on behalf of liberty, our posterity, and true peace.
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Another idiot who voted for this gets smacked up side the head with the hope and change stick.
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Like a 400lb. Dietician.
Huck dropped out of the race already dude.
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Allen West on Obama Backing Palestinian Demand: ‘Could Be the Beginning of the End’ for Israel
theblaze.com ^ | May 19, 2011 at 3:15pm | Jonathon M. Seid
Tea Party Rep. Allen West has just issued a response to Obama‘s announcement that he backs the Palestinians’ demand that Israel redraw its borders to where they were in 1967. Not only did he call the move the “most egregious foreign policy decision” the administration has made, but he also feared this “could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state.”
“The pre-1967 borders endorsed by President Obama would deny millions of the world’s Jews access to their holiest site and force Israel to return the strategically important Golan Heights to Syria, a known state-sponsor of terrorism,” West said in an e-mail.
“Resorting to the pre-1967 borders would mean a full withdrawal by the Israelis from the West Bank and the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Make no mistake, there has always been a Nation of Israel and Jerusalem has been and must always be recognized as its rightful capital.”
He concluded with some harsh criticisms: “President Obama has not stood for Israel or the Jewish people and has made it clear where the United States will stand when Palestine attempts to gain recognition of statehood by the United Nations. The President should focus on the real obstacle to security- the Palestinian leadership and its ultimate goal to eliminate Israel and the Jewish people.”
West has been an outspoken supporter of Israel in the past. Back in January he delivered a speech at the Americans Against Hate Pro-Israel Conference in Fort Lauderdale, FL:
West wasn’t the only one to respond with harsh criticism. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the 1967 lines “indefensible.”
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Allen West on Obama Backing Palestinian Demand: ‘Could Be the Beginning of the End’ for Israel
theblaze.com ^ | May 19, 2011 at 3:15pm | Jonathon M. Seid
Tea Party Rep. Allen West has just issued a response to Obama‘s announcement that he backs the Palestinians’ demand that Israel redraw its borders to where they were in 1967. Not only did he call the move the “most egregious foreign policy decision” the administration has made, but he also feared this “could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state.”
“The pre-1967 borders endorsed by President Obama would deny millions of the world’s Jews access to their holiest site and force Israel to return the strategically important Golan Heights to Syria, a known state-sponsor of terrorism,” West said in an e-mail.
“Resorting to the pre-1967 borders would mean a full withdrawal by the Israelis from the West Bank and the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Make no mistake, there has always been a Nation of Israel and Jerusalem has been and must always be recognized as its rightful capital.”
He concluded with some harsh criticisms: “President Obama has not stood for Israel or the Jewish people and has made it clear where the United States will stand when Palestine attempts to gain recognition of statehood by the United Nations. The President should focus on the real obstacle to security- the Palestinian leadership and its ultimate goal to eliminate Israel and the Jewish people.”
West has been an outspoken supporter of Israel in the past. Back in January he delivered a speech at the Americans Against Hate Pro-Israel Conference in Fort Lauderdale, FL:
West wasn’t the only one to respond with harsh criticism. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the 1967 lines “indefensible.”
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that is a good thing, we don't need to support a whole welfare country and it's people, we already as you say numbers guy have welfare state here, why add another with Israel, wasted money down the drain to support a failing country that wouldn't exist without our money each year and weapons free of charge. Welfare Country :)
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Interesting. So you support the actions of Hamas? Perhaps not the goal but you atleast do not condemn their actions?
No, that does not mean that I can't choose sides anymore than I would support a violent Indian uprising here in the States. It means that if Palestine were to rise up and conquer the Jews, I wouldn't be on here claiming that the Jews have a "right" to their own state.
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you're mixing apples and oranges.....none of those countries were in a perpetual state of war like Israel is..who do you think pays for that???...US!
Dude, just admit, you zero knowledge of that area. You're just singing Obama's praises. That takes stupid to a whole other level.
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I take it back. Forget their inability to even agree on a strong-worded letter. I had forgotten that Syria actually stands to gain membership into the Human Rights council at the next vote because no other country from that region will challenge them for the spot.
Hooray for the UN. Slaughter your own people, get a spot on the council that determines human rights for the planet! Yessir, the US and Japan are smart to continue footing 1/3 of the yearly bill (with the US over 25% of that) for a 196 nation organization that has made institutionalized genocide perfectly acceptable.
Exactly, the mighty and great UN. ::)
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Dude, just admit, you zero knowledge of that area. You're just singing Obama's praises. That takes stupid to a whole other level.
you fucking dick...I have been following middle east politics for thirty years you dick..how old are you???....you think you know everything and you continually get on here to prove you are worthless and don't know shit....I have two masters degrees..what the fuck do you have???...
so shut the fuck up....you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about you dick....what I said was not a defense of Obama ..it was just stating the reality of the middle east situation....try being objective sometimes you fag bastard instead of constantly getting on here and spewing the same conservative garbage you usually do
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Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
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you fucking dick...I have been following middle east politics for thirty years you dick..how old are you???....you think you know everything and you continually get on here to prove you are worthless and don't know shit....I have two masters degrees..what the fuck do you have???...
so shut the fuck up....you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about you dick....what I said was not a defense of Obama ..it was just stating the reality of the middle east situation....try being objective sometimes you fag bastard instead of constantly getting on here and spewing the same conservative garbage you usually do
Holy shit, that's a meltdown. Awesome work, Skip. This retard sounds like he's about to cry.
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Andre - having a masters degree in basket weaving arts does not make you an expert on the ME.
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Andre - having a masters degree in basket weaving arts sucking Obama's dick does not make you an expert on the ME.
Fixed.
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Obama: 1967 Lines With 'Swaps' Means Different Israeli Border Than in 1967 (Double-Talking Jive)
Fox News ^ | 5/22/2011 | fox news
Posted on May 22, 2011 3:01:36 PM EDT by tobyhill
Claiming his remarks earlier this week on borders for Israel and a future Palestinian state had been misrepresented, President Obama said Sunday that "1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps" means the two sides will "negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967."
In remarks Sunday to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the president tried to explain his earlier position to a warm but occasionally tentative crowd by saying that his speech Thursday at the State Department didn't offer anything new or provocative in the way of peace negotiations.
"There was nothing particularly original in my proposal; this basic framework for negotiations has long been the basis for discussions among the parties, including previous U.S. administrations," he said
"What I did on Thursday was to say publicly what has long been acknowledged privately," he added, saying his remarks were no different than a "well-known formula" that has been worked on for a generation.
"It allows the parties themselves to account for the changes that have taken place over the last 44 years, including the new demographic realities on the ground and the needs of both sides. The ultimate goal is two states for two peoples. Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people; each state enjoying self-determination, mutual recognition, and peace," he said.
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Damage control.
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Holy shit, that's a meltdown. Awesome work, Skip. This retard sounds like he's about to cry.
If identifying him as a fag bastard is a meltdown then so be it..I just call people what they are...you should know, dickface
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Andre - having a masters degree in basket weaving arts does not make you an expert on the ME.
I guess being a lawyer in your own mind does, huh?
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Holy shit, that's a meltdown. Awesome work, Skip. This retard sounds like he's about to cry.
Yeah, no love from Andre today. Interesting though, he has two masters degrees and the grammatical skills of a retarded 12 year old.
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Isreal will be transfered into space - let's see if they are able to infect a vacuum.
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I still maintain the US should be neutral in this conflict and not pick sides.
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Yeah, no love from Andre today. Interesting though, he has two masters degrees and the grammatical skills of a retarded 12 year old.
I guess my writing skills match your mind, huh?
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I guess my writing skills match your mind, huh?
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One a military hero and paratrooper, the other a dope smoking communist hippie and puke.
:)
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I still maintain the US should be neutral in this conflict and not pick sides.
I'm pretty sure the Palestinians would disagree, I believe the US is the only reason the Israeli's haven't wiped them out. The "military's of the rest of the ME are not threat, Israel has already proven that fact. So sure lets be neutral and see how large Israel ends up being.
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Obama: 1967 Lines With 'Swaps' Means Different Israeli Border Than in 1967
Fox ^ | May 22, 2011 | Fox News
WASHINGTON -- Claiming his remarks earlier this week on borders for Israel and a future Palestinian state had been misrepresented, President Obama said Sunday that "1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps" means the two sides will "negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967."
In remarks Sunday to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the president tried to explain his earlier position to a warm but occasionally tentative crowd by saying that his speech Thursday at the State Department didn't offer anything new or provocative in the way of peace negotiations.
"There was nothing particularly original in my proposal; this basic framework for negotiations has long been the basis for discussions among the parties, including previous U.S. administrations," he said
"What I did on Thursday was to say publicly what has long been acknowledged privately," he added, saying his remarks were no different than a "well-known formula" that has been worked on for a generation.
"It allows the parties themselves to account for the changes that have taken place over the last 44 years, including the new demographic realities on the ground and the needs of both sides. The ultimate goal is two states for two peoples. Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people; each state enjoying self-determination, mutual recognition, and peace," he said.
Since Thursday, tensions between the U.S. and Israel have been sharper than ever. The remarks -- in which the president said he wants Israel and the Palestinians to negotiate a land deal that starts with the 1967 borders -- received considerable criticism, including a public dressing down by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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obama probably setting up for re-drawing the lines of the USA to pre 1841.
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Hamas to Obama: We Won't Recognize Israel
CNSNews ^
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2011
Hamas to Obama: We Won't Recognize Israel Monday, May 23, 2011 By Patrick Goodenough
(CNSNews.com) – “The U.S. administration will fail, just as all others have in the past, in forcing Hamas to recognize [Israel],” a Hamas spokesman declared Sunday after President Obama once again pressed the terrorist group to relinquish violence and recognize Israel’s right to exist.
Sami Abu Zuhri, spokesman for the group that controls the Gaza Strip, reiterated a stand which, in Obama’s own words, should make it impossible for Israel to negotiate with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas.
Hamas and its rival, Fatah – Palestinian Authority (P.A.) chairman Mahmoud Abbas’ movement – early this month signed a reconciliation agreement and agreed to establish a “unity” government.
Addressing an American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) conference in Washington on Sunday, Obama said the Fatah-Hamas agreement “poses an enormous obstacle to peace,” adding that “no country can be expected to negotiate with a terrorist organization sworn to its destruction.”
His answer to that dilemma was not to call on Abbas, Israel’s professed “peace partner,” to shun Hamas and crack down on its terror activities – as he is committed to do under signed agreements – but rather to urge Hamas to change. Obama also did not say what Israel should do if Hamas does not.
“We will continue to demand that Hamas accept the basic responsibilities of peace: recognizing Israel’s right to exist, rejecting violence, and adhering to all existing agreements,” Obama said.
Abu Zuhri’s statement made clear Hamas has no intention of following the advice.
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Netanyahu's rules of debate
Washington Examiner.com ^ | May 22,2011 | Hugh Hewitt
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If it had been a fight, they would have stopped it. Friday's showdown between President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wasn't close, and it wasn't pretty -- though Netanyahu didn't want to leave any obvious marks. The end result was that our president is suddenly aware that Chicago rules don't work on tough-minded leaders of countries surrounded by terrorists.
The battle between the warrior and the academic was bound to turn out this way. President Obama was a community organizer once. Netanyahu was commander of the Israeli Defense Forces' elite special forces unit, Sayeret Matkal. Faculty meetings can get rough, but not as rough as the hostage rescue mission to free Sabena Flight 571.
So the president's absurd declaration about 1967 borders is off the table. In fact, the table is gone. Israel can wait out the 20 months left to Obama's presidency, or even 48 months if American voters insanely choose to experiment with epic incompetence at the top for another term. Israel isn't going back to the Auschwitz borders, and only a naive and inexperienced academic would think that Thursday's speech would do other than worsen prospects for a negotiated settlement.
Netanyahu's take-down of the president should be on the TiVo of Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Mitch Daniels, Jon Huntsman (and, yes, Rick Perry if what I have been hearing is true). One of those men will be standing opposite the president in the debates of September and October of 2012, and Netanyahu showed exactly how to respond to the prolixities and pauses of the teleprompter-dependent president.
First, let the president talk, and talk, and talk. (And talk.) His frequent rhetorical cul-de-sacs numb the minds of listeners and set up the opportunity for sharp contrasts between the definitive and the ambiguous, the purposeful and the feckless.
Second, look right at him when responding. This so unnerved President Obama that his anger and frustration was visible. Whether he brought the sense of superiority to the White House or whether it erupted there, the president does not care for people who challenge him directly, cannot seem to believe that anyone would have the temerity to do so. This is the sign of a deep insecurity, and Netanyahu used it.
Next, speak from specifics, using facts and especially history. Netanyahu used history to spank the president on Friday. A GOP nominee armed with specific references -- not just to Obama's many blunders but also to clear evidence of the American exceptionalism that Obama has clearly rejected -- will put the wordy academic on his heels.
Finally, express core truths bluntly -- especially the harshest ones, such as the nature of Hamas. The president has been shrinking from clarity for more than two years, whether it is clarity on Iran, on the butcher Assad and the nutter Chavez, and most recently on the key Palestinian problem -- that Hamas, like Hezbollah to the north, wants Israel destroyed.
Netanyahu showed a worldwide audience that purposefulness can be as polite as it is pointed, and that Obama has a glass jaw. A clenched glass jaw, but a glass jaw nonetheless.
Israel isn't going back to the 1967 borders. Hamas cannot be a partner in peace negotiations. And Israel is a friend and a valued ally, not a lap dog. The president would do well to figure out that our country prefers Netanyahu's approach to his. Even the president's own party does.
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Obama’s diversionary tactics
Jerusalem Post ^ | 5-24-11 | CAROLINE B. GLICK
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2724201/posts
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What did the president wish to accomplish by purposely starting an ugly fight with the prime minister this past weekend?
As the Washington Post pointed out on Friday, US President Barack Obama purposely provoked the current fight with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. He knew full well that Netanyahu does not back the Palestinian formulation that negotiations with Israel must be based on the indefensible 1949 armistice lines, or what are wrongly referred to as the 1967 lines. In the days leading up to Obama’s speech last Thursday, Israel registered explicit, repeated requests that he not adopt the Palestinian position that negotiations should be based on those lines.
And so it was a stinging rebuke when Obama declared Thursday: “The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps.” According to the Washington Post, Obama wrote these lines of his speech himself and Netanyahu was informed of them just as he was scheduled to fly to the US on Thursday evening. Obama gave the speech while Netanyahu was in the air on his way to Washington to meet Obama the next morning. It is hard to think of a more stunning insult or a greater display of contempt for the leader of a US ally and fellow democracy than Obama’s actions last week. And it is obvious that Netanyahu had no choice but to react forcefully to Obama’s provocation.
The question is why would Obama act as he did? What did he wish to accomplish by purposely starting such an ugly fight with Netanyahu?
Probably the best way to figure out what Obama wished to accomplish is to consider what he did accomplish, because the two are undoubtedly related.
ON MAY 4, two weeks before Obama gave his speech, Fatah and Hamas signed a unity agreement. Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Like its fellow Brotherhood satellite al-Qaida, Hamas shares the Brotherhood’s ideology of global jihad, the destruction of Western civilization and the establishment of a global caliphate. Also like al-Qaida, it is a terrorist organization which, since its establishment in 1987 has murdered more than a thousand Israelis.
In 2005, Hamas subcontracted itself out to the Iranian regime. Since then, its men have been trained by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and by Hezbollah. Hamas maintains operational ties with both outfits and receives most of its weapons and significant funding from Iran.
The agreement between Fatah and Hamas makes Hamas a partner in the leadership of the Palestinian Authority. It also paves the way for Hamas to win the planned Palestinian legislative and presidential elections that are scheduled for September just after the UN General Assembly is scheduled to endorse Palestinian statehood. It also sets the conditions for Hamas to integrate its forces and eventually take over the UStrained Palestinian army in Judea and Samaria and to join the PLO.
The Hamas-Fatah unity deal constitutes a complete repudiation of the assumptions informing Obama’s policies towards the Palestinians and Israel. Obama perceives the conflict as a direct consequence of two things: prior US administrations’ refusal to “put light” between the US and Israel, and Israel’s unwillingness to surrender all of the territory it took during the course of the 1967 Six Day War.
The Hamas-Fatah unity deal is indisputable proof that contrary to what Obama believes, the conflict has nothing to do with previous administrations’ support for Israel or with Israel’s size. It is instead entirely the consequence of the Palestinians’ rejection of Israel’s right to exist and their commitment to bringing about Israel’s destruction.
Forcing Israel into indefensible boundaries, (which as Netanyahu explained to Obama at the White House on Friday, “were not the boundaries of peace, they were the boundaries of repeated wars because the attack on Israel was so attractive for them,”), will not advance the cause of peace. It will advance the Palestinians’ goal of destroying Israel.
Obama had two options for contending with the Palestinian unity deal. He could pay attention to it or he could create a distraction in order to ignore it. If he paid attention to it, he would have been forced to disavow his policy of blaming his predecessors in the White House and Israel for the absence of peace. By creating a distraction he would be able to change the subject in a manner that would enable him to maintain those policies.
And so he picked a fight with Netanyahu. And by picking the fight, he created a distraction that has, in fact, changed the subject and enabled Obama to maintain his policies that have been wholly repudiated by the reality of the Palestinian unity deal.
By inserting the citation of the 1949 armistice lines into his speech, Obama made Israel’s size again the issue.
The Hamas-Fatah unity deal actually demonstrates that not only is Israel’s size not the cause of the conflict, it is the main reason that Israelis and Palestinians live in relative peace.
Israel’s control over Judea and Samaria and east Jerusalem, and with them, its ability to ward off invasion and attacks on its major cities is what has prevented wars. If Israel were more vulnerable, the de facto Palestinian terror state would not be weighing whether or not to begin a new terror war as its leaders from Fatah and Hamas are doing today. It would be waging a continuous campaign of terror whose clear aim is Israel’s destruction for again, as Netanyahu said the 1949 armistice lines make war an attractive option for Israel’s enemies.
BY PICKING a fight with Netanyahu, since Thursday, no one could have possibly noted this basic truth because the false issue of Israel’s control over these areas – that is, Israel’s size – has dominated the global discourse on the Middle East.
Obama would never have been able to create his diversion from the unwelcome fact of Palestinian duplicity and rejectionism, to imaginary problem with the size of Israel without the enthusiastic support given to him by the Israeli Left.
Led by opposition leader Tzipi Livni, the Israeli Left responded to Obama’s full-scale assault on Israel’s legitimacy by launching a full-scale partisan assault on Netanyahu. Rather than back Netanyahu as he fights for the country’s future, Livni called for him to resign and said that he was wrecking Israel’s ties with the US. In so doing, the Left provided crucial support for Obama’s move to maintain his phony anti- Israel paradigm for Middle East policymaking in the face of the Palestinian unity deal’s repudiation of that model.
The Left’s assault on Netanyahu is not the only way it has enabled Obama to maintain his pro-Palestinian policies in the face of the Palestinians’ embrace of terror and war. In his speech to AIPAC, Obama argued that Israel needs to surrender its defensible boundaries because the Palestinians are about to demographically challenge Israel’s Jewish majority.
As Obama put it, “The number of Palestinians living west of the Jordan River is growing rapidly and fundamentally reshaping the demographic realities of both Israel and the Palestinian territories. This will make it harder and harder – without a peace deal – to maintain Israel as both a Jewish state and a democratic state.”
The demographic time bomb story is a Palestinian fabrication. In 1997, the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics published a falsified Palestinian census that inflated Palestinian population data by 50 percent.
The Israeli Left adopted this fake report as its own when Palestinian terrorism and political warfare convinced the majority of Israelis that it was unwise to give them any more land and that the peace process was a lie.
Since 2004, repeated, in-depth studies of Jewish and Arab birthrates and immigration/ emigration statistics west of the Jordan River undertaken by independent researchers have shown that the demographic time bomb is a dud. In January, the respected demographer Yaakov Faitelson published a study for the Institute of Zionist Strategies in which he definitively put to rest the tale of pending Jewish demographic doom.
As Faitelson demonstrated, Jewish and Arab birthrates are already converging west of the Jordan River at around three children per woman. And whereas the fertility rates of Israeli Arabs, Gazans and residents of Judea and Samaria are all trending downward, Jewish fertility is consistently rising. Moreover, whereas the Arabs are experiencing consistently negative net immigration rates, Jewish net immigration rates are positive and high.
Faitelson based his multiyear projections on current population numbers in which Jews comprise 58.6 percent of the population west of the Jordan River and Muslims constitute 38.7% of the overall population. Non-Jewish, non-Muslim minorities comprise the other 2.7%. Using assessment baselines for Jewish net immigration well below current averages, Faitelson showed that in the years to come, not only will Jews not lose our demographic majority. We will increase it.
Faitelson’s study, like the studies published since 2004 by the American-Israeli Demographic Research Group show that from a demographic perspective, Israel is in the same situation as many Western states today. Namely, it has to develop policies for dealing with an irredentist minority population.
There are many reasonable, liberal policies that Israel can adopt. These include applying the liberal Israeli legal code to Judea and Samaria and enforcing the laws of treason. It is hard to see why the best policy for Israel is to take some of that irredentist population off its books by establishing a terror state ruled by what Netanyahu rightly referred to as “the Israeli equivalent of al-Qaida” on its border.
ALL OF this brings us back to Hamas, terrorism, the Palestinian rejection of Israel’s right to exist, and Obama’s diversionary moves to facilitate his preservation of a Middle East policy based on a wholly false and discredited assessment of reality and the Israeli Left’s facilitation of Obama’s efforts.
When we realize what Obama is up to, we recognize as well what Netanyahu must do in response.
In his address before Congress on Tuesday and in all of his appearances in the coming weeks and months, Netanyahu should have one goal: to bring the focus of debate back where it belongs – on the Palestinians.
At every opportunity, Netanyahu needs to pound the message that the Palestinians’ commitment to Israel’s destruction is the sole reason that there is no peace.
As for the Israeli Left, it is high time that Netanyahu place the likes of Livni on the defensive. Netanyahu must attack the Left’s doomsday demographic projections that are without factual basis and are indeed antithetical to reality. As long as the demographic lie goes unchallenged by Netanyahu, the Left will continue to argue that by refusing to build a terror state on the outskirts of Tel Aviv, Netanyahu is endangering Israel.
Netanyahu deserves a lot of credit for standing up to Obama on Friday. He showed enormous courage in doing so. It was his finest hour to date and polls over the weekend show that the public appreciates and supports him for it. He must build on that success by putting the focus on the truth.
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Obama can say whatever he wants. At the end of the day, it only matters what the Israelis decide to do and how the Palestinians react.
Netanyahu has said that Israel will not return to pre-1967 borders. That's it. End of discussion. Doesn't matter what the president says or how much pressure he tries to apply. The Israelis are not going to commit national suicide just to try to appease people who don't care about the land. People whose real goal is to kill every single Jew that is on that land.
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Obama can say whatever he wants. At the end of the day, it only matters what the Israelis decide to do and how the Palestinians react.
Netanyahu has said that Israel will not return to pre-1967 borders. That's it. End of discussion. Doesn't matter what the president says or how much pressure he tries to apply. The Israelis are not going to commit national suicide just to try to appease people who don't care about the land. People whose real goal is to kill every single Jew that is on that land.
what Netanyahu wants in the long run doesn't matter...he is really stupid because he doesn't realize that Obama was trying to save his ass and Israel in the long run....Israel is going to be overrun..thats the reality....the Palestinian population is exploding and they will overtake the Jewish population soon..once that happens, Israel will effectively be controlled by the Palestinians ..unless Israel bars them for voting....which they dare not do
by giving the Palestinians their own state, this solves this problem and enables Israel to stay a JEWISH state.....
Also the Palestinians are now going to adopt non-violent tactics..which means they are going to march and go over the borders unarmed.....if Israel shoots at them, they will be condemned by the international community and will further erode any support they have from the US...Israel has to find a way to make a deal now and wash their hands of the Palestinian problem
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You are out of your mind. Hamas already said they will NEVER recognize Israel and that is who the barbarians vted for.
Screw em.
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what Netanyahu wants in the long run doesn't matter...he is really stupid because he doesn't realize that Obama was trying to save his ass and Israel in the long run....Israel is going to be overrun..thats the reality....the Palestinian population is exploding and they will overtake the Jewish population soon..once that happens, Israel will effectively be controlled by the Palestinians ..unless Israel bars them for voting....which they dare not do
by giving the Palestinians their own state, this solves this problem and enables Israel to stay a JEWISH state.....
Also the Palestinians are now going to adopt non-violent tactics..which means they are going to march and go over the borders unarmed.....if Israel shoots at them, they will be condemned by the international community and will further erode any support they have from the US...Israel has to find a way to make a deal now and wash their hands of the Palestinian problem
Listen you freaking idiot. The Israelis were willing to give away land at Camp David when Clinton was president. They offered to give most of the land in the West Bank and Gaza with incremental lands given to them as years went by. That is what Arafat claimed he wanted for years. Clinton himself stated that the offer exceeded his own expectation going into the talks. ALL IT NEEDED WAS FOR ARAFAT TO SIGN. He didn't. WHY? Their lame excuse is that "they were offered only disconnected cantons in the West Bank. Israeli negotiators and U.S. officials disputed this claim, claiming that the Israeli proposal ensured contiguity."
The real reason is that the "palestinians" want every single Jew out of the entire region. Preferably dead. They want THEIR OWN STATE but don't want the existence of an ISRAELI STATE. You don't want to comprehend that. If you did you wouldn't say such a stupid thing as "Obama was trying to save his ass and Israel in the long run." This situation is a life and death struggle. All those Islamic states want the destruction of Israel. They will never be satisfied with pre-1967 borders. Keep believing that BS that they are going to use non-violent tactics. All they know is violence. Four year old kids dress up all the time as suicide bombers and you think eventually they will adopt Gandhi's philosophy. LOL!!!
As soon as Israel agrees to pre-1967 borders, Israel would sign its own death warrant. Because literally the day after Israel's borders were reassigned to what it was before 1967, the Palestinians with the help of Iran, Syria and Jordan would attack and with those borders they would have a better than average chance of taking over Israel. Agreeing with dumbo Barack, would be seen as a sign of weakness and that is all those islamic idiots need to work up their followers to a frenzy.
Israel has been giving land away since they gave back the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt and they still don't know what it is to live in peace. Are you actually that naive to think that if Israel agreed to Barack's retarded statement, that all of the sudden there would be peace in the Middle East and that Israel would endure for ever? You are out of your damn mind. There are only 2 ways that an Israeli state can be preserved. One, Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist. Two, since Palestinians won't accept Israel's right to exist, a war is necessary and who ever comes out the victor gets to stay. Number two is what will eventually happen. A war that will wipe out one side or the other. My money is on the Jews wiping out all the muslim pigs.
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Haven't the last 3 POTUS's said pretty much the exact same thing as Obama.
Here's Bush from just a couple of years ago:
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ha ha ha ha - so obama = bush.
Fuck Bush and Obama.
Israel needs to just stamp these assholes out already.
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ha ha ha ha - so obama = bush.
Fuck Bush and Obama.
Israel needs to just stamp these assholes out already.
No
Obama = Bush2 = Clinton = Bush1 etc...
nothing new or radical in what Obama said
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No
Obama = Bush2 = Clinton = Bush1 etc...
nothing new or radical in what Obama said
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Just like his picking the scab on illegals, Straw - please tell me why he is making this an issue now?
Hint - it starts with the word "E"
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Just like his picking the scab on illegals, Straw - please tell me why he is making this an issue now?
Hint - it starts with the word "E"
I'm sure you think anything he does is because of the election (and then when that's over then anything he does will be back to his main objective of collapsing the nation)
back on planet earth this just looks like business as usual
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ha ha ha ha - so obama = bush.
Fuck Bush and Obama.
Israel needs to just stamp these assholes out already.
Exactly.
Straw Man is so stupid he actually believes he is helping Obama.
Hey, earth to retarded strawman, you are not helping Obama when comparing what he said to Bush. The same Bush that you, like many left wing idiots, call the worst president ever.
Bush is an idiot for saying it and so is Obama. And if Reagan said it, I would also call him a retard. Any president that calls for pre-1967 Israeli borders is a buffoon. And if that is the USA's policy or belief, then it needs to change ASAP.
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Exactly.
Straw Man is so stupid he actually believes he is helping Obama.
Hey, earth to retarded strawman, you are not helping Obama when comparing what he said to Bush. The same Bush that you, like many left wing idiots, call the worst president ever.
Bush is an idiot for saying it and so is Obama. And if Reagan said it, I would also call him a retard. Any president that calls for pre-1967 Israeli borders is a buffoon. And if that is the USA's policy or belief, then it needs to change ASAP.
how the fuck is posting on an obscure message board "helping" Obama
I didn't compare Obama to Bush
I compared him to Bush1, Clinton, Bush2 and probably other POTUS's too
how is it that you two dunces couldn't figure that out in my short and concise post?
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We figured it out perfectly Straw. We dont give a rats ass what Bush said or clinton for that matter.
Again - Why did Obama decide to make this an issue now? Same with illegals amnesty? Same with all his other WTF pronouncements as of late?
Hint: he is avoiding the huge E word, and its not election.
Bro - you voted for this scam artist, take ownership.
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We figured it out perfectly Straw. We dont give a rats ass what Bush said or clinton for that matter.
Again - Why did Obama decide to make this an issue now? Same with illegals amnesty? Same with all his other WTF pronouncements as of late?
Hint: he is avoiding the huge E word, and its not election.
Bro - you voted for this scam artist, take ownership.
Bro - you think everything Obama does is:
1. intended to collapse the nation and
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2. politically motivated so to further #1
you can't expect anyone to take anything you say seriously
Didn't we already establish that a long time ago?
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Again dipshit - you voted for this shitshow - take ownership.
Economy sucks still.
Foreign policy a complete mess.
Inflation
Skyrocketing debt and deficit
Energy prices skyrocketing
Weekly job losses still a disaster
Labor participation rate at all time lows.
Stim Bill massive fail.
2000 + waivers in obamacare
and on and on and on and on and on.
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how the fuck is posting on an obscure message board "helping" Obama
I didn't compare Obama to Bush
I compared him to Bush1, Clinton, Bush2 and probably other POTUS's too
how is it that you two dunces couldn't figure that out in my short and concise post?
Hey retard. I and everyone in this forum knows exactly what you are doing. You are trying to hamper the criticism that Obama is RIGHTFULLY receiving by bringing up Bush. It surprises me that you stupid left wing morons keep bringing up Bush. What you are doing is comparing what one numbnuts stated with what another numbnuts said. It doesn't justify what Obama said and he still is wrong no matter who else said it before him. What don't you get, fag?
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Again dipshit - you voted for this shitshow - take ownership.
Economy sucks still.
Foreign policy a complete mess.
Inflation
Skyrocketing debt and deficit
Energy prices skyrocketing
Weekly job losses still a disaster
Labor participation rate at all time lows.
Stim Bill massive fail.
2000 + waivers in obamacare
and on and on and on and on and on.
Oh, now you did it, 3333. Are you holding Obama accountable for all of that? You know that the left believes it is never their fault. Their ideology is PERFECT!!
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what Netanyahu wants in the long run doesn't matter...he is really stupid because he doesn't realize that Obama was trying to save his ass and Israel in the long run....Israel is going to be overrun..thats the reality....the Palestinian population is exploding and they will overtake the Jewish population soon..once that happens, Israel will effectively be controlled by the Palestinians ..unless Israel bars them for voting....which they dare not do
by giving the Palestinians their own state, this solves this problem and enables Israel to stay a JEWISH state.....
Also the Palestinians are now going to adopt non-violent tactics..which means they are going to march and go over the borders unarmed.....if Israel shoots at them, they will be condemned by the international community and will further erode any support they have from the US...Israel has to find a way to make a deal now and wash their hands of the Palestinian problem
I already explained to you that a two state solution is not what Palestine wants.
And, to your first point about the continued encroachment of the Palestinians, you couldn't be more misinformed. If they felt legitimately threatened, Israel will make them extinct before your scenario happens. Whorewell explained this as well, but it seems rather than counter these points, you choose to ignore them.
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Hamas already said no deal is possible, So WTF are we pressuring Israel for when Hamas wont even recognizie israel i the first place?
This is another obama scam to avoid discussing his horrific presidency on every failure he has caused in every other area.
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Hey retard. I and everyone in this forum knows exactly what you are doing. You are trying to hamper the criticism that Obama is RIGHTFULLY receiving by bringing up Bush. It surprises me that you stupid left wing morons keep bringing up Bush. What you are doing is comparing what one numbnuts stated with what another numbnuts said. It doesn't justify what Obama said and he still is wrong no matter who else said it before him. What don't you get, fag?
LoL -
you're joking right
You honestly can't understand the very simple point that I made in my post
seriously?
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LoL -
you're joking right
You honestly can't understand the very simple point that I made in my post
seriously?
Hey fool - all the other past idiots like GWB, Clinton, GHWB, failed in this endeavor for the same thing Obama is doing, trying to pressure israel tro accept a deal when the other side does not want one that includes recognizing isreal in any fom or capacity.
So because the other jerkoffs like GWB, Clinton, et al tried this nonsense, does not make it ok for Paddy O'Bama to do the same.
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Really, just let them fight it out themselves; the USA just needs to focus on itself.
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Hey fool - all the other past idiots like GWB, Clinton, GHWB, failed in this endeavor for the same thing Obama is doing, trying to pressure israel tro accept a deal when the other side does not want one that includes recognizing isreal in any fom or capacity.
So because the other jerkoffs like GWB, Clinton, et al tried this nonsense, does not make it ok for Paddy O'Bama to do the same.
Israel already agreed to it as well....way back in 1967
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242
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Really, just let them fight it out themselves; the USA just needs to focus on itself.
If we let that happen, the middle east will only be left with 1 country... Israel.
The weapons which they already have, are enough to wipe out every other country around.
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Israel already agreed to it as well....way back in 1967
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242
Yeah, I am sure they agreed to make a deal with a trrorist organization who refuses to even recognize Israel in any form whatsoever. ::) ::)
Bro - take off your obama kneepads - its really embarrassing.
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Yeah, I am sure they agreed to make a deal with a trrorist organization who refuses to even recognize Israel in any form whatsoever. ::) ::)
Bro - take off your obama kneepads - its really embarrassing.
jeebus you're dumb
if I'm kneepadding for Obama then I guess I must be kneepading for every POTUS since 1967 too
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Yes you are, including Bush.
Again - Hamas already said there wont ever be any deal that includes having to recognize Israel in any form whatsoever.
Do you now understand why "peace" is not ever a realistic option or likly to ever happen?
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Really, just let them fight it out themselves; the USA just needs to focus on itself.
Bingo!! Israel will never give up more land than they should. Nor should they. I don't see any nation, including the USA, giving up land that they have gained through military combat. So why should Israel give up even an inch of land? They already tried that. They offered land in 2000. It was rejected by Arafat. In 2005 they gave up land in Gaza. The only result of that was closer proximity for the Palestinians to fire their rockets. The goal of the Palestinians and the nations that give them aid in weapons and money is to kill all Jews and reclaim Jerusalem for themselves.
There will never be peace until there is a final war involving Israel, the Palestinians and all the other Islamic nations that for years, in one way or another, meddled in this situation. There will only be peace when Israel completely destroys the Palestinians, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Or they completely destroy Israel. Sadly, that is the only way.
Yeah. I know it sounds extreme. But, I don't see any other solution. Only a war that will eradicate one side or the other will bring normalcy to that region.
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Yes you are, including Bush.
Again - Hamas already said there wont ever be any deal that includes having to recognize Israel in any form whatsoever.
Do you now understand why "peace" is not ever a realistic option or likly to ever happen?
Hammas has said they would accept the 1967 borders
Personally, all I see are a bunch of religious nuts (on both sides) who will never be satisfied
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Hammas has said they would accept the 1967 borders
Personally, all I see are a bunch of religious nuts (on both sides) who will never be satisfied
Wrong! Hamas said it will never recongozie Israel as a JEWISH state in any form atall. The 1967 borders crap is just that crap. Hama wants no jews in the ME period.
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Wrong! Hamas said it will never recongozie Israel as a JEWISH state in any form atall. The 1967 borders crap is just that crap. Hama wants no jews in the ME period.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hamas-accepts-1967-borders-but-will-never-recognize-israel-top-official-says-1.361072
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Read your own freaking article douche.
Yeah - no kiddin Hamas will accept free land. I guess you left out the part of Hamas not recognizing Israel?
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Bingo!! Israel will never give up more land than they should. Nor should they. I don't see any nation, including the USA, giving up land that they have gained through military combat. So why should Israel give up even an inch of land? They already tried that. They offered land in 2000. It was rejected by Arafat. In 2005 they gave up land in Gaza. The only result of that was closer proximity for the Palestinians to fire their rockets. The goal of the Palestinians and the nations that give them aid in weapons and money is to kill all Jews and reclaim Jerusalem for themselves.
There will never be peace until there is a final war involving Israel, the Palestinians and all the other Islamic nations that for years, in one way or another, meddled in this situation. There will only be peace when Israel completely destroys the Palestinians, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Or they completely destroy Israel. Sadly, that is the only way.
Yeah. I know it sounds extreme. But, I don't see any other solution. Only a war that will eradicate one side or the other will bring normalcy to that region.
I don't care what happens in the Middle East and I think it is their business. Never got people fighting for that barren strip of desert for millenia. Imagine people doing that for New Jersey? and New Jersey is much more pleasant.
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Obama's Trusted Adviser May Cause Betrayal of Israel
Monday, 23 May 2011
By Newsmax Wires
President Barack Obama’s stunning endorsement of a peace process embracing Israel’s pre-1967 borders – a situation that Israeli leaders declare would leave the Jewish State “defenseless” – is prompting closer scrutiny of a small coterie of left-leaning advisers long antagonistic of America’s close ally.
One of them, former journalist and professor Samantha Power, once declared that the United States might one day invade Israel to disarm it and support a Palestinian state along the very controversial lines Obama now embraces.
Power, who many recent reports credit with pushing Obama’s increasingly ineffective military strategy toward Libya, is no stranger to controversy. As the Obama campaign’s chief foreign policy adviser in 2008, she was fired after calling rival candidate Hillary Clinton a “monster” during the contentious Democratic primary campaign.
Over a long career this reporter, Harvard scholar and Pulitzer Prize winner has also criticized the Bush administration’s “War on Terrorism” – a phrase the Obama administration has since abandoned – and praised the views of anti-American zealots like Noam Chomsky, whose works often describe the United States as a ruthless totalitarian power crushing liberation movements around the world.
She is also closely linked to liberal billionaire George Soros and his various causes, most notably an organization and doctrine called the "Responsibility to Protect." Crafted largely by Power, the doctrine basically outlines the conditions under which the international community can intervene in a conflict to prevent genocide. The U.S. intervention in Libya, as many commentators noted, is Power's doctrine in action. Soros has worked with Power in various organizations.
The scrutiny of Power has largely been contained to pro-Israel blogs and conservative foreign policy sites. But Obama’s left turn toward the Palestinians has drawn more light on Power’s controversial statements about the Jewish State over the years.
“That this woman — who has called Secretary of State Hillary Clinton a “monster” — has since become Special Assistant to President Barack Obama and runs the Office of Multilateral Affairs and Human Rights as Senior Director of Multilateral Affairs on the Staff of the National Security Council (whew!) is beyond imagination,” Bernie Quigley wrote on The Hill’s Pundits blog last week.
In 2008, Richard Baehr at the conservative American Thinker described Power’s “animus” toward Israel: “The problem for those who favor a strong US-Israel relationship is that Power seems obsessed with Israel, and in a negative way. Much like the authors of the Baker-Hamilton report, she believes resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is central to solving other problems in the Middle East. And it is clear that her approach to addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would be for the US to behave in a more "even handed" fashion, which of course means withdrawing US support for Israel, and instead applying more pressure on Israel for concessions.”
In April, Stanley Kurtz at the National Review called Power “a patriot’s nightmare — a woman determined to subordinate America’s national sovereignty to an international order largely controlled by leftist bureaucrats. Superficially, Power’s chief concern is to put a stop to genocide and ‘crimes against humanity.’ More deeply, her goal is to use our shared horror at the worst that human beings can do in order to institute an ever-broadening regime of redistributive transnational governance."
But it was Power’s description of a future Israeli crisis in a 2002 interview that has alarmed Israel supporters over the years. In that interview at Berkeley, Power was asked this question:
“Let me give you a thought experiment here, and it is the following: without addressing the Palestine-Israel problem, let’s say you were an advisor to the President of the United States, how would you respond to current events there? Would you advise him to put a structure in place to monitor that situation, at least if one party or another [starts] looking like they might be moving toward genocide?”
Power then gave what many Israeli experts describe as an astonishing reply:
“What we don’t need is some kind of early warning mechanism there, what we need is a willingness to put something on the line in helping the situation. Putting something on the line might mean alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import; it may more crucially (sic) mean sacrificing—or investing, I think, more than sacrificing—billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel’s military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force, not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence. Because it seems to me at this stage (and this is true of actual genocides as well, and not just major human rights abuses, which were seen there), you have to go in as if you’re serious, you have to put something on the line.
“Unfortunately, imposition of a solution on unwilling parties is dreadful. It’s a terrible thing to do, it’s fundamentally undemocratic. But, sadly, we don’t just have a democracy here either, we have a liberal democracy. There are certain sets of principles that guide our policy, or that are meant to, anyway. It’s essential that some set of principles becomes the benchmark, rather than a deference to [leaders] who are fundamentally politically destined to destroy the lives of their own people. And by that I mean what Tom Friedman has called “Sharafat” [Sharon-Arafat]. I do think in that sense, both political leaders have been dreadfully irresponsible. And, unfortunately, it does require external intervention.... Any intervention is going to come under fierce criticism. But we have to think about lesser evils, especially when the human stakes are becoming ever more pronounced.”
As Mideast expert, author and blogger Martin Kramer has noted, “It isn't too difficult to see all the red flags in this answer. Having placed Israel's leader on par with Yasser Arafat, she called for massive military intervention on behalf of the Palestinians, to impose a solution in defiance of Israel and its American supporters. Billions of dollars would be shifted from Israel's security to the upkeep of a "mammoth protection force" and a Palestinian state—all in the name of our ‘principles.’”
Even as she has gone to great lengths to distance herself from that quote, Power continues to raise alarm among many Israel supporters for her various statements on the use of foreign power that seem to paint Israel as the villain in any narrative involving the Palestinians.
That said, Power is no foreign-policy novice. She is a seasoned foreign correspondent with front-line experience in the Balkan wars of the early 1990s and other conflicts. She’s also a Pulitzer Prize winner for what is considered a definitive work on genocide and foreign policy, “A Problem from Hell.”
And she does have her admirers on the political right. Among them is Max Boot, a conservative scholar at the Council on Foreign Relations who has written for the Weekly Standard. After Power was criticized on a blog at Commentary Magazine, Boot wrote, “I’ve known Power for six years and have never heard her say anything that I would construe as anti-Israel. In fact, at a December 2006 forum at Harvard’s Kennedy School at which we were both panelists, she rather forcefully dismissed a claim by a Jewish anti-Zionist in the audience who tried to equate Israeli policy with South African apartheid—a favorite trope of the hard left.”
He continued: “…. I’ve also found Power to be one of the more reasonable, sane, and centrist foreign policy thinkers on the Democratic side. Her award-winning book ‘A Problem from Hell: America in the Age of Genocide’ could have been written by a neocon.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/samantha-power-israel-obama/2011/05/23/id/397430
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Obama's Trusted Adviser May Cause Betrayal of Israel
Monday, 23 May 2011
By Newsmax Wires
President Barack Obama’s stunning endorsement of a peace process embracing Israel’s pre-1967 borders – a situation that Israeli leaders declare would leave the Jewish State “defenseless” – is prompting closer scrutiny of a small coterie of left-leaning advisers long antagonistic of America’s close ally.
One of them, former journalist and professor Samantha Power, once declared that the United States might one day invade Israel to disarm it and support a Palestinian state along the very controversial lines Obama now embraces.
Power, who many recent reports credit with pushing Obama’s increasingly ineffective military strategy toward Libya, is no stranger to controversy. As the Obama campaign’s chief foreign policy adviser in 2008, she was fired after calling rival candidate Hillary Clinton a “monster” during the contentious Democratic primary campaign.
Over a long career this reporter, Harvard scholar and Pulitzer Prize winner has also criticized the Bush administration’s “War on Terrorism” – a phrase the Obama administration has since abandoned – and praised the views of anti-American zealots like Noam Chomsky, whose works often describe the United States as a ruthless totalitarian power crushing liberation movements around the world.
She is also closely linked to liberal billionaire George Soros and his various causes, most notably an organization and doctrine called the "Responsibility to Protect." Crafted largely by Power, the doctrine basically outlines the conditions under which the international community can intervene in a conflict to prevent genocide. The U.S. intervention in Libya, as many commentators noted, is Power's doctrine in action. Soros has worked with Power in various organizations.
The scrutiny of Power has largely been contained to pro-Israel blogs and conservative foreign policy sites. But Obama’s left turn toward the Palestinians has drawn more light on Power’s controversial statements about the Jewish State over the years.
“That this woman — who has called Secretary of State Hillary Clinton a “monster” — has since become Special Assistant to President Barack Obama and runs the Office of Multilateral Affairs and Human Rights as Senior Director of Multilateral Affairs on the Staff of the National Security Council (whew!) is beyond imagination,” Bernie Quigley wrote on The Hill’s Pundits blog last week.
In 2008, Richard Baehr at the conservative American Thinker described Power’s “animus” toward Israel: “The problem for those who favor a strong US-Israel relationship is that Power seems obsessed with Israel, and in a negative way. Much like the authors of the Baker-Hamilton report, she believes resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is central to solving other problems in the Middle East. And it is clear that her approach to addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would be for the US to behave in a more "even handed" fashion, which of course means withdrawing US support for Israel, and instead applying more pressure on Israel for concessions.”
In April, Stanley Kurtz at the National Review called Power “a patriot’s nightmare — a woman determined to subordinate America’s national sovereignty to an international order largely controlled by leftist bureaucrats. Superficially, Power’s chief concern is to put a stop to genocide and ‘crimes against humanity.’ More deeply, her goal is to use our shared horror at the worst that human beings can do in order to institute an ever-broadening regime of redistributive transnational governance."
But it was Power’s description of a future Israeli crisis in a 2002 interview that has alarmed Israel supporters over the years. In that interview at Berkeley, Power was asked this question:
“Let me give you a thought experiment here, and it is the following: without addressing the Palestine-Israel problem, let’s say you were an advisor to the President of the United States, how would you respond to current events there? Would you advise him to put a structure in place to monitor that situation, at least if one party or another [starts] looking like they might be moving toward genocide?”
Power then gave what many Israeli experts describe as an astonishing reply:
“What we don’t need is some kind of early warning mechanism there, what we need is a willingness to put something on the line in helping the situation. Putting something on the line might mean alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import; it may more crucially (sic) mean sacrificing—or investing, I think, more than sacrificing—billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel’s military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force, not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence. Because it seems to me at this stage (and this is true of actual genocides as well, and not just major human rights abuses, which were seen there), you have to go in as if you’re serious, you have to put something on the line.
“Unfortunately, imposition of a solution on unwilling parties is dreadful. It’s a terrible thing to do, it’s fundamentally undemocratic. But, sadly, we don’t just have a democracy here either, we have a liberal democracy. There are certain sets of principles that guide our policy, or that are meant to, anyway. It’s essential that some set of principles becomes the benchmark, rather than a deference to [leaders] who are fundamentally politically destined to destroy the lives of their own people. And by that I mean what Tom Friedman has called “Sharafat” [Sharon-Arafat]. I do think in that sense, both political leaders have been dreadfully irresponsible. And, unfortunately, it does require external intervention.... Any intervention is going to come under fierce criticism. But we have to think about lesser evils, especially when the human stakes are becoming ever more pronounced.”
As Mideast expert, author and blogger Martin Kramer has noted, “It isn't too difficult to see all the red flags in this answer. Having placed Israel's leader on par with Yasser Arafat, she called for massive military intervention on behalf of the Palestinians, to impose a solution in defiance of Israel and its American supporters. Billions of dollars would be shifted from Israel's security to the upkeep of a "mammoth protection force" and a Palestinian state—all in the name of our ‘principles.’”
Even as she has gone to great lengths to distance herself from that quote, Power continues to raise alarm among many Israel supporters for her various statements on the use of foreign power that seem to paint Israel as the villain in any narrative involving the Palestinians.
That said, Power is no foreign-policy novice. She is a seasoned foreign correspondent with front-line experience in the Balkan wars of the early 1990s and other conflicts. She’s also a Pulitzer Prize winner for what is considered a definitive work on genocide and foreign policy, “A Problem from Hell.”
And she does have her admirers on the political right. Among them is Max Boot, a conservative scholar at the Council on Foreign Relations who has written for the Weekly Standard. After Power was criticized on a blog at Commentary Magazine, Boot wrote, “I’ve known Power for six years and have never heard her say anything that I would construe as anti-Israel. In fact, at a December 2006 forum at Harvard’s Kennedy School at which we were both panelists, she rather forcefully dismissed a claim by a Jewish anti-Zionist in the audience who tried to equate Israeli policy with South African apartheid—a favorite trope of the hard left.”
He continued: “…. I’ve also found Power to be one of the more reasonable, sane, and centrist foreign policy thinkers on the Democratic side. Her award-winning book ‘A Problem from Hell: America in the Age of Genocide’ could have been written by a neocon.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/samantha-power-israel-obama/2011/05/23/id/397430
Beach - can you merge my Samantha Power thread with this?
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Read your own freaking article douche.
Yeah - no kiddin Hamas will accept free land. I guess you left out the part of Hamas not recognizing Israel?
read my post
I never said they agreed to recognize Israel (and who gives a shit)
The only thing I said is that they had agreed (or to be specific - one of their leaders had agreed) to the 1967 borders
If it weren't for their fucked up religious nonsense they would have sorted this out a long time ago
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read my post
I never said they agreed to recognize Israel (and who gives a shit)
The only thing I said is that they had agreed (or to be specific - one of their leaders had agreed) to the 1967 borders
If it weren't for their fucked up religious nonsense they would have sorted this out a long time ago
And that is why there is no deal. So for obama the disgsuting communist pos traitor he is to make look as if Israel if the roadblock here is pure bullshit and everyone knows it.
I caled Schumer, Gillibrand, and Lowey and each of their offices' said they were floooded with calls utterly pissed off at what obama is doing.
Hey Straw - go screw yourself for still supporting obama. Seriously - you far left communist libs are a domestic version of hamas with your support for every insane policy ths radical freakshow admn puts forth.
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And that is why there is no deal. So for obama the disgsuting communist pos traitor he is to make look as if Israel if the roadblock here is pure bullshit and everyone knows it.
I caled Schumer, Gillibrand, and Lowey and each of their offices' said they were floooded with calls utterly pissed off at what obama is doing.
Hey Straw - go screw yourself for still supporting obama. Seriously - you far left communist libs are a domestic version of hamas with your support for every insane policy ths radical freakshow admn puts forth.
damn dude - you're off the rails quicker than usual today
Obama makes a comment similar to what ever other POTUS has said and al you see is his "radical, communist agenda"
seriously dude, your perpetual anger and your delsuional rants are getting worse
Have any of your family member or friends suggested you seek medical help
You seem like you're on the verge of losing your mind or maybe you're already reached the breaking point
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I'm not the issue and stop the nonsense - people are pissed off. If Hamas over the last few years showed an ounce of turning the page on violence etc, maybe people would be mre willing to hear them out, but obama goes out and tries to bully israel into accepting concessions while hamas still says it wont accept any deal at all? ? ? ? ?
Come on. you wonder why people are pissed off with ths admn? Its utterly insane.
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I'm not the issue and stop the nonsense - people are pissed off. If Hamas over the last few years showed an ounce of turning the page on violence etc, maybe people would be mre willing to hear them out, but obama goes out and tries to bully israel into accepting concessions while hamas still says it wont accept any deal at all? ? ? ? ?
Come on. you wonder why people are pissed off with ths admn? Its utterly insane.
you are in a perpetual state of being pissed off and angry about everthing
btw - LOL at Obama trying to bully Israel
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Beach - can you merge my Samantha Power thread with this?
Done.
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Judge Obama by the company he keeps. :-\
Does this apply to repubs as well? LOL!
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Does this apply to repubs as well? LOL!
You go on with the moral equivalency thing. That's all you ever do. ::)
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Palestinians: Netanyahu peace outline unacceptable ("declaration of war...")
Yahoo! News / The Associated Press ^ | May 24, 2011 | Mohammed Daraghmeh
RAMALLAH, West Bank – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's parameters for a peace deal, outlined in a speech to the U.S. Congress on Tuesday, fell far short of what is needed to resume negotiations, Palestinian officials said.
Nabil Shaath, an aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said Netanyahu's insistence on keeping key parts of the territories the Palestinians want for their state is a "declaration of war against the Palestinians."
Israeli settlers, the Islamic militant Hamas and Netanyahu's moderate parliamentary opposition also expressed criticism.....
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
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Israeli Prime Minister Gets 29 Standing Ovations in Congress, Sends Message to White House
ABC ^ | 5/24/11
*UPDATE: President Obama got 25 standing ovations from Congress during his 2011 State of the Union address. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got 29 today.
ORIGINAL POST: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech before a joint meeting of Congress had all trappings of a State of the Union address by a president with sky-high approval ratings.
Speaking to a packed House chamber with Speaker Boehner and Vice President Biden over his shoulders, Netanyahu was repeatedly interrupted by applause – including more than 20 standing ovations.
One of his biggest applause lines was aimed directly at President Obama.
“Israel will not return to the indefensible boundaries of 1967,” Netanyahu said, prompting a big standing ovation.
Later he added: “Israel on the 1967 lines would be only 9 miles wide. So much for defensible borders.”
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Netanyahu arguably got an warmer reception than President Obama received during his last state of the union and certainly a warmer reception than he’d receive at the Knesset. When the speech was over, he lingered for a while at the podium as it seemed he didn’t want to leave.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...
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god please Ron ban this numbers guys from copy and pasting articles, write something you have thought of on your own dude, use your mind jesus!
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please Ron ban this numbers guys from copy and pasting articles, write something you have thought of on your own dude,
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=371279.0
Mods?
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=371279.0
Mods?
yes?
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Once again, what benefit does the US have in taking sides here? Let them figure it out on their own.
Don't give them money, trade with them them instead, but don't play the favourite game.
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yes?
please warn this numbers guy, he spam's posts with articles that are copy and pasted, just link the article for god sake! No one reads his hundreds of articles he copies and pastes. He screws up threads by just copy and pasting, doesn't even put thought into his posts, copy paste copy paste.
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please warn this numbers guy, he spam's posts with articles that are copy and pasted, just link the article for god sake! No one reads his hundreds of articles he copies and pastes. He screws up threads by just copy and pasting, doesn't even put thought into his posts, copy paste copy paste.
So, why do you hate jews anyway? ???
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yes?
He is a blatant troll.
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So, why do you hate jews anyway? ???
Just re read my past posts, I don't need to write it again. Look at my profile and show last posts of this person.
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He is a blatant troll.
Because he cuts and pastes articles?
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please warn this numbers guy, he spam's posts with articles that are copy and pasted, just link the article for god sake! No one reads his hundreds of articles he copies and pastes. He screws up threads by just copy and pasting, doesn't even put thought into his posts, copy paste copy paste.
If you see something you don't like, just ignore. Works for most people (including me).
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This is the latest pofs communist gimmick who cant stand the fact that one like myself does not nbow down to his motown messiah like a lemming sheep.
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If you see something you don't like, just ignore. Works for most people (including me).
yeah when they take up more than half the page it becomes a problem, if they guy would just write his opinion on the matter and post the article link that would be fine, but copy and pasting the whole thing each time is so lame.
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Analysis: Applause heard in White House, around world
The Jerusalem Post ^ | 05/24/2011 | HERB KEINON
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Netanyahu could only dream of such a reception in Israel; Congress' ovation was heard by Obama, the Palestinians, the world at large.
The overall importance of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyanhu's speech to a special joint session of the US Congress on Tuesday was not in the substance he did not break any radical new ground but rather in the overwhelmingly warm ovation he received.
Netanyahu could only dream of such a reception in Israel. Even his wife, Sarah, received a standing ovation when she entered the hall. The prime minister was applauded some 30 times, many of those accompanied by standing ovations.
The nearly four-minute ovation he received when he entered the historic chamber, including a brief period of rhythmic clapping that sounded more like the Mann Auditorium than Congress, was not only heard by Netanyahu, but also by US President Barack Obama, the Palestinians and the world at large.
With all the talk of the country's existential loneliness and Israel's real sense of isolation, when Netanyahu spoke to the most important parliament in the world, it exuded nothing but warmth toward Israel.
Even the prime minister's comment that Jews are not interlopers in Judea and Samaria, not like the Belgians were in The Congo or the British in India, received raucous applause and a standing ovation by most in the hall.
Granted, Congress is not the world, and it is the US president who in the final analysis sets US foreign policy. But Congress is not just some insignificant little body that can be lightly dismissed - not by the president or the world - and it is a body that sets the limits to how far the president can push Israel.
With the resounding applause, on both sides of the aisle, to Netanyahu's comments on a unified Jerusalem, not returning to the 1967 lines, not negotiating with Hamas, and not allowing the descendants of Palestinian refugees enter Israel, Obama - currently tending to US business during a visit to Europe - received a clear signal from Congress that when it comes to Israel, his hands are not free.
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yeah when they take up more than half the page it becomes a problem, if they guy would just write his opinion on the matter and post the article link that would be fine, but copy and pasting the whole thing each time is so lame.
Scew off gimmick.
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I guess my writing skills match your mind, huh?
Oooh, you cut me so deep.
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Really, just let them fight it out themselves; the USA just needs to focus on itself.
I can agree to some extent. I'm not big on any foreign aid as I prefer to help our own first. But, what's wrong with taking a side? What's wrong with allies who share our same values?
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what Netanyahu wants in the long run doesn't matter...he is really stupid because he doesn't realize that Obama was trying to save his ass and Israel in the long run....Israel is going to be overrun..thats the reality....the Palestinian population is exploding and they will overtake the Jewish population soon..once that happens, Israel will effectively be controlled by the Palestinians ..unless Israel bars them for voting....which they dare not do
by giving the Palestinians their own state, this solves this problem and enables Israel to stay a JEWISH state.....
Also the Palestinians are now going to adopt non-violent tactics..which means they are going to march and go over the borders unarmed.....if Israel shoots at them, they will be condemned by the international community and will further erode any support they have from the US...Israel has to find a way to make a deal now and wash their hands of the Palestinian problem
Yeah, Netanyahu doesn't understand. He's only been in politics for who knows how long, has actually met with Obama, and deals with this shit day in and day out. But he doesn't understand.
Andrethedouche on the other hand, with his 2 master's degrees, now he understands Obama's brilliance. ::)
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I can agree to some extent. I'm not big on any foreign aid as I prefer to help our own first. But, what's wrong with taking a side? What's wrong with allies who share our same values?
Neither of them share our values. Israel is nothing like the United States; the US (despite what some Christians would claim) was not conceived of as a 'Christian' nation but Israel was indeed conceived of as a 'Jewish' nation, now I don't think there were many options after WW2, so that's fine but Israel does not share our values at its core at all, which is fine as well but I also don't think we should be their busom buddies.
Taking sides when unnecessary creates problems. Many of the issues the Arab world have with us comes from our unilateral support for Israel, which is unnecessary. They are strong enough to go it on their own without our help. The US is broke and has enough problems without worrying about a piece of desert on the other side of the world.
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Oh, now you did it, 3333. Are you holding Obama accountable for all of that? You know that the left believes it is never their fault. Their ideology is PERFECT!!
you believe the same about your ideology..how are we different?
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Listen you freaking idiot. The Israelis were willing to give away land at Camp David when Clinton was president. They offered to give most of the land in the West Bank and Gaza with incremental lands given to them as years went by. That is what Arafat claimed he wanted for years. Clinton himself stated that the offer exceeded his own expectation going into the talks. ALL IT NEEDED WAS FOR ARAFAT TO SIGN. He didn't. WHY? Their lame excuse is that "they were offered only disconnected cantons in the West Bank. Israeli negotiators and U.S. officials disputed this claim, claiming that the Israeli proposal ensured contiguity."
The real reason is that the "palestinians" want every single Jew out of the entire region. Preferably dead. They want THEIR OWN STATE but don't want the existence of an ISRAELI STATE. You don't want to comprehend that. If you did you wouldn't say such a stupid thing as "Obama was trying to save his ass and Israel in the long run." This situation is a life and death struggle. All those Islamic states want the destruction of Israel. They will never be satisfied with pre-1967 borders. Keep believing that BS that they are going to use non-violent tactics. All they know is violence. Four year old kids dress up all the time as suicide bombers and you think eventually they will adopt Gandhi's philosophy. LOL!!!
As soon as Israel agrees to pre-1967 borders, Israel would sign its own death warrant. Because literally the day after Israel's borders were reassigned to what it was before 1967, the Palestinians with the help of Iran, Syria and Jordan would attack and with those borders they would have a better than average chance of taking over Israel. Agreeing with dumbo Barack, would be seen as a sign of weakness and that is all those islamic idiots need to work up their followers to a frenzy.
Israel has been giving land away since they gave back the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt and they still don't know what it is to live in peace. Are you actually that naive to think that if Israel agreed to Barack's retarded statement, that all of the sudden there would be peace in the Middle East and that Israel would endure for ever? You are out of your damn mind. There are only 2 ways that an Israeli state can be preserved. One, Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist. Two, since Palestinians won't accept Israel's right to exist, a war is necessary and who ever comes out the victor gets to stay. Number two is what will eventually happen. A war that will wipe out one side or the other. My money is on the Jews wiping out all the muslim pigs.
well before I start, let me just say that you are so busy trying to be a dick and trying to be confrontational you don't understand what I am saying...try analyzing what I write and think about it first before you respond with knee-jerk bullcrap
yes you are correct..the Israelis did offer to give away land and the Palestinians did not accept it..Arafat was a freaking idiot not to..
yes you are right the Palestinians by and large want the destruction of the Jewish State....
yep..you are right that Hamas wants Israel's destruction as well and are not good partners to negotiate with.....
and yes a war would settle everything and force one side to negotiate....
the problem is that none of this really matters....Israel wants to preserve itself as a Jewish state.....if nothing happens and there is no war or no peace agreement, as I stated..ISRAEL WILL EVENTUALLY BE OUTNUMBERED AND OVERRUN DUE TO PALESTINIAN BIRTH RATES.... Palestinians will take over Israel without a shot being fired......
It doesn't matter what Hamas wants, what the US wants or what Israel wants...THIS IS THE REALITY...if you look at the border areas of the U.S...they have now been basically overrun with Mexicans and those towns are now almost extensions of Mexico...this will be Israel's fate as well....you arguing with me will not change that simple fact...
my point was that by making the best deal that they can NOW.....they can preserve Israel as a Jewish state and Palestinians will have their own state (as fucked up as it will be).....yes the choices here suck big time for Israel but unless Israeli women start cranking out 10 kids per family, thats whats going to happen....
As for your comment that Israel can just wipe out the Arabs in a war, this is no longer possible like it was in 1967...would Israel win?..probably yes..but there would be heavy casualties because now there is also Hezbollah...and remember in the last war, Hezbollah gave Israel a good lesson in that Israel had major difficulty beating them outright...plus Israel does not have the appetite for war that it once had
I am Pro-Israel but Israel has to look at the reality..it can't maintain itself forever like this..and we can't keep subsidizing their war-footing...WE ARE BROKE
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Hey retard. I and everyone in this forum knows exactly what you are doing. You are trying to hamper the criticism that Obama is RIGHTFULLY receiving by bringing up Bush. It surprises me that you stupid left wing morons keep bringing up Bush. What you are doing is comparing what one numbnuts stated with what another numbnuts said. It doesn't justify what Obama said and he still is wrong no matter who else said it before him. What don't you get, fag?
Me thinks you are the one who is a fag...all people are saying is that BUSH and CLINTON said the same thing as OBAMA and that this has been U.S. POLICY for many years now..OBAMA was only stating U.S. policy which he is bound by....this seems to bother you since it doesn't put Obama in a negative light like you desire...why can't you be objective?????..thats the question you need to ask yourself
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I already explained to you that a two state solution is not what Palestine wants.
And, to your first point about the continued encroachment of the Palestinians, you couldn't be more misinformed. If they felt legitimately threatened, Israel will make them extinct before your scenario happens. Whorewell explained this as well, but it seems rather than counter these points, you choose to ignore them.
wow are you out of it......you are saying that Israel will exterminate the Palestinians before they can take over Israel demographically?..I guess they would be just like the NAZIS then huh???..I guess their crime would be just being born???..that won't happen and the world will never let that happen....wishful thinking on your part...and wrong...Israel would never stoop to that because they would not compare favorably with the Nazis and what was done to them...
get a grip, man!!!!
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Yeah, Netanyahu doesn't understand. He's only been in politics for who knows how long, has actually met with Obama, and deals with this shit day in and day out. But he doesn't understand.
Andrethedouche on the other hand, with his 2 master's degrees, now he understands Obama's brilliance. ::)
HA! and you with not even a GED understand better than me huh?
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i noticed you stopped responding in the egypt thread. any reason?
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i noticed you stopped responding in the egypt thread. any reason?
How can you refute what you and I have been posting? Like the typical Obama drone, he decided it would be easier to tuck his tail into his vagina and scurry on out of the thread.
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How can you refute what you and I have been posting? Like the typical Obama drone, he decided it would be easier to tuck his tail into his vagina and scurry on out of the thread.
The El Bardei article is so funny. Sounds like what obama accomplished in america - inflation, people buying guns, chaos, lawlessness, etc,
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The El Bardei article is so funny. Sounds like what obama accomplished in america - inflation, people buying guns, chaos, lawlessness, etc,
Everyone who didn't have their head up Obama's ass knew Egypt's economy was going to completely implode. The Muslim Brotherhood is aiding it right along and will make their move to seize absolute power when it hits complete bottom. By not taking majority control now they will be able to blame someone else for the collapse and rally the dipshit Egyptians around their cause, which won't be hard given how many of them already support the MB.
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wow are you out of it......you are saying that Israel will exterminate the Palestinians before they can take over Israel demographically?..I guess they would be just like the NAZIS then huh???..I guess their crime would be just being born???..that won't happen and the world will never let that happen....wishful thinking on your part...and wrong...Israel would never stoop to that because they would not compare favorably with the Nazis and what was done to them...
get a grip, man!!!!
I'll type slowly so you can understand.
You said this:
what Netanyahu wants in the long run doesn't matter...he is really stupid because he doesn't realize that Obama was trying to save his ass and Israel in the long run....Israel is going to be overrun..thats the reality....the Palestinian population is exploding and they will overtake the Jewish population soon..once that happens, Israel will effectively be controlled by the Palestinians
I said the Israelis would wipe out the Palestinians if they felt they were going to be over run. That's called point / counter point. You are supposed to build on that and counter it.
But then then equate Israel to the Nazis, and assume that's what I want them to do. Did the Nazis do what they did because a neighboring country was slowly encroaching upon their territory to the point of them being overrun? No, I don't think so. I think it's safe to say they were the aggressors. The analogy is beyond dumb.
You're all over the map and can't follow a simple conversation.
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i noticed you stopped responding in the egypt thread. any reason?
I stopped responding because there is nothing new right now....Egypt is going through a period of transition....so not much to say..its up to them now....but I will be back when something interesting happens
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Everyone who didn't have their head up Obama's ass knew Egypt's economy was going to completely implode. The Muslim Brotherhood is aiding it right along and will make their move to seize absolute power when it hits complete bottom. By not taking majority control now they will be able to blame someone else for the collapse and rally the dipshit Egyptians around their cause, which won't be hard given how many of them already support the MB.
sigh.... its unfortunate that I only have idiots like you to debate with here...of course the economy often tanks a little when there is a transition from dictatorship to democracy.....it happened in Iraq, Eastern Europe and in Russia as well...
tired of having to school you on everything
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I'll type slowly so you can understand.
You said this:
I said the Israelis would wipe out the Palestinians if they felt they were going to be over run. That's called point / counter point. You are supposed to build on that and counter it.
But then then equate Israel to the Nazis, and assume that's what I want them to do. Did the Nazis do what they did because a neighboring country was slowly encroaching upon their territory to the point of them being overrun? No, I don't think so. I think it's safe to say they were the aggressors. The analogy is beyond dumb.
You're all over the map and can't follow a simple conversation...
you can't even follow your own logic, dumbass.....you said that the Israelis would wipe out the Palestinians if they were going to be overrun.....I simply stated that this would equate them with the NAZIS....and it would..since YOU said that this would happen if the Palestinians overran Israel....is having a larger population than the the Jews a crime in and of itself???..yet you said the Jews would do this....thats the analogy you dick....it has nothing to do with invasion or encroaching from outside the country....
Please stick to the Bodybuilding threads with your posts from now on..you homo fool
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well before I start, let me just say that you are so busy trying to be a dick and trying to be confrontational you don't understand what I am saying...try analyzing what I write and think about it first before you respond with knee-jerk bullcrap
yes you are correct..the Israelis did offer to give away land and the Palestinians did not accept it..Arafat was a freaking idiot not to..
yes you are right the Palestinians by and large want the destruction of the Jewish State....
yep..you are right that Hamas wants Israel's destruction as well and are not good partners to negotiate with.....
and yes a war would settle everything and force one side to negotiate....
the problem is that none of this really matters....Israel wants to preserve itself as a Jewish state.....if nothing happens and there is no war or no peace agreement, as I stated..ISRAEL WILL EVENTUALLY BE OUTNUMBERED AND OVERRUN DUE TO PALESTINIAN BIRTH RATES.... Palestinians will take over Israel without a shot being fired......
It doesn't matter what Hamas wants, what the US wants or what Israel wants...THIS IS THE REALITY...if you look at the border areas of the U.S...they have now been basically overrun with Mexicans and those towns are now almost extensions of Mexico...this will be Israel's fate as well....you arguing with me will not change that simple fact...
my point was that by making the best deal that they can NOW.....they can preserve Israel as a Jewish state and Palestinians will have their own state (as fucked up as it will be).....yes the choices here suck big time for Israel but unless Israeli women start cranking out 10 kids per family, thats whats going to happen....
As for your comment that Israel can just wipe out the Arabs in a war, this is no longer possible like it was in 1967...would Israel win?..probably yes..but there would be heavy casualties because now there is also Hezbollah...and remember in the last war, Hezbollah gave Israel a good lesson in that Israel had major difficulty beating them outright...plus Israel does not have the appetite for war that it once had
I am Pro-Israel but Israel has to look at the reality..it can't maintain itself forever like this..and we can't keep subsidizing their war-footing...WE ARE BROKE
This post may be in a class by itself as the most idiotic, ill informed, mindless piece of garbage I have ever read on this board. Seriously, debating with you is beneath practically every single person who posts here except maybe SAMSON. Pick up a book and gain some working knowledge on the Israeli conflict ( as well as world history, US history, politics and life) before you post mindless comments and start multi page threads that blow up in your face after two posts. Here are two questions for you to ponder during the evaluation of your brilliant "birth rate" theory-- (A) If Israel was created in the late 40's and its been 60+ years since, and the Israeli's were outsiders that settled on "Palestinian" land ( a fiction if there ever was one, but I digress), then weren't the Israeli's completely outnumbered population wise from the very moment Israel was formed? (B) If after 60+ years of living in refugee camps and other places in the Arab world, why have only 25 percent of Palestinians ( roughly) become Israeli citizens? Instead of living in tents with no running water or in lawless slums controlled by terrorists, why wouldn't the Palestinians already have figured out that they could achieve your brilliant plan of "overpopulation" and complete a takeover of the Jewish state through basic multiplication?
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Please stick to the Bodybuilding threads with your posts from now on..you homo fool
Tempting, since not reading your posts would make me smarter.......
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i noticed you stopped responding in the egypt thread. any reason?
probably because you have the same copy and paste articles every response or some racist garbage that isn't even part of the discussion. After a while the discussion is going no where, I assume he decided his time is best used elsewhere than arguing with a wall basically which is you.
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probably because you have the same copy and paste articles every response or some racist garbage that isn't even part of the discussion. After a while the discussion is going no where, I assume he decided his time is best used elsewhere than arguing with a wall basically which is you.
HA!..my thoughts exactly...I was just too polite to say it..good post
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I paste articles that are germane to the subject as it progresses in the media.
You two far leftist hacks can't accept the fact that barry tossed a live grenade with this and its blowing up in his face.
Even fellow dems are calling him out over this.
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This post may be in a class by itself as the most idiotic, ill informed, mindless piece of garbage I have ever read on this board. Seriously, debating with you is beneath practically every single person who posts here except maybe SAMSON. Pick up a book and gain some working knowledge on the Israeli conflict ( as well as world history, US history, politics and life) before you post mindless comments and start multi page threads that blow up in your face after two posts. Here are two questions for you to ponder during the evaluation of your brilliant "birth rate" theory-- (A) If Israel was created in the late 40's and its been 60+ years since, and the Israeli's were outsiders that settled on "Palestinian" land ( a fiction if there ever was one, but I digress), then weren't the Israeli's completely outnumbered population wise from the very moment Israel was formed? (B) If after 60+ years of living in refugee camps and other places in the Arab world, why have only 25 percent of Palestinians ( roughly) become Israeli citizens? Instead of living in tents with no running water or in lawless slums controlled by terrorists, why wouldn't the Palestinians already have figured out that they could achieve your brilliant plan of "overpopulation" and complete a takeover of the Jewish state through basic multiplication?
I thought the guys on the bodybuilding boards were badly informed but since I started posting in these political threads I have never seen such stupidity and ignorance....WOW....I can truly say you are replacing 3333 as the dumbest guy on here after this post....When the Israelis settled in Palestine, THEY EXPELLED MANY OF THE PALESTINIANS WHO WERE THERE.....and many Palestinians who were not expelled LEFT DUE TO THE ONGOING GUERILLA WAR WHICH WAS TAKING PLACE AT THE TIME.....this left Israel with a MAJORITY JEWISH POPULATION....Israel has been able to maintain being a Jewish state due to vast immigration of Jews to Israel.....combined with a systematic expulsion of Palestinians.....
However....many Jews leave Israel due to the on-going tension and danger there....The Palestinian population is increasing and many Jews prefer to live in the U.S. and elsewhere...also the Palestinians have ONE OF THE HIGHEST BIRTH RATES IN THE WORLD and all statistics show the possibility of the Palestinians eventually overriding the Jewish population and therefore increasing their claims over Jewish territory.... and we aren't even including the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza which increases the likelihood that this will occur...
and I never said it was a "brilliant plan" as you put it....its human reality......look at cities in the U.S, with large minority populations....eventuall y the elected officials and policies represent the new majority..which is what I am saying could happen in Israel.....was it a "brilliant plan" by minorities to gain control of certain cities by having large numbers of offspring?..no....its just a natural consequence of it
not to mention, Israel imports Russian and American Jews into the country to try to maintain its numerical superiority..but these Jews then have more rights to the land than the Palestinians who have been there for decades...is that right???....thats like the U,S importing British citizens into the U.S and then bestowing on these new citizens more rights than you or me.....how would YOU feel if this were happening to you???..and guess who pays for all of this immigration to Israel???...the U.S.
I am pro-Israeli but that doesn't mean I have to shut my eyes to the wrongs which my friend is committing
so please refrain from telling someone to do their homework if you haven't done yours you creep
read the links below and learn
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3504621,00.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/newpop.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/WorldEdition/arab-protesters-israel-borders_n_862270_88446599.htm
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How can you refute what you and I have been posting? Like the typical Obama drone, he decided it would be easier to tuck his tail into his vagina and scurry on out of the thread.
I think the reality is that you would like me to tuck something big into YOUR vagina :)
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Tempting, since not reading your posts would make me smarter.......
you becoming smarter is impossible
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I thought the guys on the bodybuilding boards were badly informed but since I started posting in these political threads I have never seen such stupidity and ignorance....WOW....I can truly say you are replacing 3333 as the dumbest guy on here after this post....When the Israelis settled in Palestine, THEY EXPELLED MANY OF THE PALESTINIANS WHO WERE THERE.....and many Palestinians who were not expelled LEFT DUE TO THE ONGOING GUERILLA WAR WHICH WAS TAKING PLACE AT THE TIME.....this left Israel with a MAJORITY JEWISH POPULATION....Israel has been able to maintain being a Jewish state due to vast immigration of Jews to Israel.....combined with a systematic expulsion of Palestinians.....
However....many Jews leave Israel due to the on-going tension and danger there....The Palestinian population is increasing and many Jews prefer to live in the U.S. and elsewhere...also the Palestinians have ONE OF THE HIGHEST BIRTH RATES IN THE WORLD and all statistics show the possibility of the Palestinians eventually overriding the Jewish population and therefore increasing their claims over Jewish territory.... and we aren't even including the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza which increases the likelihood that this will occur...
and I never said it was a "brilliant plan" as you put it....its human reality......look at cities in the U.S, with large minority populations....eventuall y the elected officials and policies represent the new majority..which is what I am saying could happen in Israel.....was it a "brilliant plan" by minorities to gain control of certain cities by having large numbers of offspring?..no....its just a natural consequence of it
not to mention, Israel imports Russian and American Jews into the country to try to maintain its numerical superiority..but these Jews then have more rights to the land than the Palestinians who have been there for decades...is that right???....thats like the U,S importing British citizens into the U.S and then bestowing on these new citizens more rights than you or me.....how would YOU feel if this were happening to you???..and guess who pays for all of this immigration to Israel???...the U.S.
I am pro-Israeli but that doesn't mean I have to shut my eyes to the wrongs which my friend is committing
so please refrain from telling someone to do their homework if you haven't done yours you creep
read the links below and learn
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3504621,00.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/newpop.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/WorldEdition/arab-protesters-israel-borders_n_862270_88446599.htm
good post, and thanks for not copy and pasting other peoples thoughts and posting your own. Numbers guy needs to start thinking for himself and stop letting other people dictate his point of view. Numbers dude please write something that resembles a paragraph or two of your thoughts, not someone else, what your personal thoughts are on the matter. You should have been taught how to do this in college if you went.
I just viewed your post history, and the first page is filled up with replies between 1 sentence of your personal views to 3 sentences. The rest is copy and pasted articles. If you want to be taken seriously, then start typing what your opinion is on the matter, not another persons.
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How about this?
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This cartoon is so dumb and misleading.....we kicked Britain's ass and they left with their tails between thrir legs..they are not living here in the U.S. amongst us claiming rights to the land....
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This cartoon is so dumb and misleading.....we kicked Britain's ass and they left with their tails between thrir legs..they are not living here in the U.S. amongst us claiming rights to the land....
But you agree with the pics before that though correct?
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your juvenile behavior is funny but how does that advance the political discussion?
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your juvenile behavior is funny but how does that advance the political discussion?
It doesnt - I just like pissing you off.
Don't worry when Sarah wins in 2012 you will have your turn.
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It doesnt - I just like pissing you off.
Don't worry when Sarah wins in 2012 you will have your turn.
LOL I can't wait for Sarah to run, also for the debates it will be epic, like watching a Chris Rock comedy show, Obama will own her into the ground.
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LOL I can't wait for Sarah to run, also for the debates it will be epic, like watching a Chris Rock comedy show, Obama will own her into the ground.
Obama is going to be a one term mistake. The economy is going into a double dip that is solely on the back of bama. By that time, anyone, including palin, will walk into the WH.
Obama only appeals to parasitic elements of society who are not large enough in numbers yet to avoid the beat down he will get unless things tun around.
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It doesnt - I just like pissing you off.
Don't worry when Sarah wins in 2012 you will have your turn.
hahaha..okay....right now Sarah Palin can't win PTA president ;)
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LOL I can't wait for Sarah to run, also for the debates it will be epic, like watching a Chris Rock comedy show, Obama will own her into the ground.
agreed....the gaffes she'll make will be legendary...and it goes to show you that you are not politically serious....even you have put her down in the past, and you know she is an idiot yet you would sell an idiot to the American people rather than have Obama in there....
If Sarah Palin becomes president nothing will ever get done in congress because she is so polarizing the Dems will treat her like the Repubs treat Obama
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agreed....the gaffes she'll make will be legendary...and it goes to show you that you are not politically serious....even you have put her down in the past, and you know she is an idiot yet you would sell an idiot to the American people rather than have Obama in there....
If Sarah Palin becomes president nothing will ever get done in congress because she is so polarizing the Dems will treat her like the Repubs treat Obama
Yeah, Mr. 57 states, 2008, and teleprompter addict is really getting things done. ::) ::)
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Yeah, Mr. 57 states, 2008, and teleprompter addict is really getting things done. ::) ::)
he's actually gotten a lot done if you look at his record..its just that you don't agree with what he's done so you put it down..but he has been very prolific in terms of getting his agenda done
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he's actually gotten a lot done if you look at his record..its just that you don't agree with what he's done so you put it down..but he has been very prolific in terms of getting his agenda done
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He took UE from 6.7 to 9%
Gas from $1.91 to $4
Deficit to 1.65 Trillion
Debt t 14 Tillion
Inflation to new highs
etc etc.
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sigh...why do I even bother?????....I just debate you and answer your posts so you won't get so lonely from talking to yourself
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Obama arrives in Warsaw; Polish Jews urge him to support Israel
The Washington Post ^ | May 27, 2011 | Scott Wilson
Obama arrives in Warsaw; Polish Jews urge him to support Israel
By Scott Wilson, Published: May 27
WARSAW — Within hours of arriving Friday in this once-occupied capital, President Obama encountered the enduring emotion surrounding the state of Israel, founded as a sanctuary from the virulent anti-Semitism that wiped out much of this nation’s Jewish population during World War II.
As his first stop in a two-day visit, Obama visited the Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers, then traveled to the Ghetto Heroes Memorial, where he laid a wreath at the base of the stark bronze relief commemorating the tens of thousands of Jews killed in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943.
About two dozen members of the city’s Jewish community gathered to watch the ceremony, and Obama greeted them afterward. Taking his extended hand, a woman told him, “It’s the only Jewish state we have and we trust you.”
Last week in his speech at the State Department, Obama called for Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations to begin based on the boundaries that existed on the eve of the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War.
He made clear a final agreement over territory would likely include land exchanges to accommodate Israeli settlements in the West Bank. But his proposal angered Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who called those prewar lines “indefensible.”
“I will always be there for Israel,” Obama told the woman.
To a man in a kipa, the Jewish skullcap, Obama also said, “We will always be there,” another likely reference to U.S. support for Israel. “I promise.”
The White House said the visit to the memorial, which concluded with a group photograph of Obama with the Jewish audience, had been planned well before the State Department speech. Obama promised to get the photo to all of those in it with him.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
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Ha ha ha - sounds like Tesio telling Michael Corleone not to be worried and that his safety is assured.
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Obama arrives in Warsaw; Polish Jews urge him to support Israel
The Washington Post ^ | May 27, 2011 | Scott Wilson
Obama arrives in Warsaw; Polish Jews urge him to support Israel
By Scott Wilson, Published: May 27
WARSAW — Within hours of arriving Friday in this once-occupied capital, President Obama encountered the enduring emotion surrounding the state of Israel, founded as a sanctuary from the virulent anti-Semitism that wiped out much of this nation’s Jewish population during World War II.
As his first stop in a two-day visit, Obama visited the Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers, then traveled to the Ghetto Heroes Memorial, where he laid a wreath at the base of the stark bronze relief commemorating the tens of thousands of Jews killed in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943.
About two dozen members of the city’s Jewish community gathered to watch the ceremony, and Obama greeted them afterward. Taking his extended hand, a woman told him, “It’s the only Jewish state we have and we trust you.”
Last week in his speech at the State Department, Obama called for Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations to begin based on the boundaries that existed on the eve of the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War.
He made clear a final agreement over territory would likely include land exchanges to accommodate Israeli settlements in the West Bank. But his proposal angered Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who called those prewar lines “indefensible.”
“I will always be there for Israel,” Obama told the woman.
To a man in a kipa, the Jewish skullcap, Obama also said, “We will always be there,” another likely reference to U.S. support for Israel. “I promise.”
The White House said the visit to the memorial, which concluded with a group photograph of Obama with the Jewish audience, had been planned well before the State Department speech. Obama promised to get the photo to all of those in it with him.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
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Ha ha ha - sounds like Tesio telling Michael Corleone not to be worried and that his safety is assured.
the jews never stop whining, its really surprising how long they can exploit and whine about something, get over it you pathetic goons!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ubGM9H4odUA/TTT5EIkBWpI/AAAAAAAAAW8/Ah71-JrrmHI/s400/jews_whining_montage.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xn_O-mM2sFk/TKIL5PBduXI/AAAAAAAADcs/D2meftbB9B4/s400/stop-whining.jpg)
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Netanyahu's poll numbers jump after US visit
Israel Today Magazine ^ | May 26, 2011 | Ryan Jones
Posted on May 30, 2011 12:10:26 AM EDT by Texas Fossil
Israeli public opinion polls showed Prime Minister Benjamin Netayahu and his Likud Party reaping the benefits of his tension-filled visit to Washington this week.
A poll carried out by Israeli survey company Dialogue showed that 51 percent of Israelis approve of Netanyahu's leadership, up from 38 percent last month.
A 47 percent plurality viewed Netanyahu's address before the US Congress as a success, and half of Israelis said they felt proud as they watched the American lawmakers repeatedly and enthusiastically applaud their leader.
Netanyahu's speech before Congress was seen as a rebuff of US President Barack Obama's peace policies laid out earlier in the week. Only 25 percent of the Israelis polled by Dialogue believe Obama is friendly toward Israel.
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Netanyahu's poll numbers jump after US visit
Israel Today Magazine ^ | May 26, 2011 | Ryan Jones
Posted on May 30, 2011 12:10:26 AM EDT by Texas Fossil
Israeli public opinion polls showed Prime Minister Benjamin Netayahu and his Likud Party reaping the benefits of his tension-filled visit to Washington this week.
A poll carried out by Israeli survey company Dialogue showed that 51 percent of Israelis approve of Netanyahu's leadership, up from 38 percent last month.
A 47 percent plurality viewed Netanyahu's address before the US Congress as a success, and half of Israelis said they felt proud as they watched the American lawmakers repeatedly and enthusiastically applaud their leader.
Netanyahu's speech before Congress was seen as a rebuff of US President Barack Obama's peace policies laid out earlier in the week. Only 25 percent of the Israelis polled by Dialogue believe Obama is friendly toward Israel.
(Excerpt) Read more at israeltoday.co.il ...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/8137324/Vatican_tells_Jews_to_stop_complaining/
Vatican tells Jews to stop complaining
The Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano has complained about “excessive” Jewish complaints about the Good Friday prayers in the traditional Latin Missal, which pray for the conversion of the Jews. “Enough, already!” is the message from Rome. And quite right, too.
The prayers in the 1962 pre-Vatican II Latin Missal (whose wider use is being encouraged by Pope Benedict XVI) contain a prayer for the conversion of the Jewish people that was rewritten by Blessed John XXIII to remove an offensive reference to “perfidious Jews”.
But if you ban all prayers for the conversion of the chosen people, then you end up misrepresenting the founder of Christianity. It’s an inconvenient fact that Jesus of Nazareth called loudly for the conversion of the Jews. Indeed, according to many biblical scholars, his message was primarily directed at his own people.
The impulse to convert Jews was not the chief motivation for centuries of Catholic (and Orthodox and Protestant) anti-Semitism. That lay instead in the monstrous notion that Jewish people bore collective guilt for killing Christ. Which is not to say, of course, that many Catholics praying for the conversion of Jews weren’t anti-Semites. They were – though to lay most of the blame for the Nazi exterminations at the door of the Catholic Church is bad and lazy history.
These are murky waters. Of course there are still anti-Semitic traditionalist Catholics, but they are concentrated to a remarkable degree in the Society of St Pius X, a not terribly pleasant organisation whose founder was excommunicated by Pope John Paul II. And I think you’ll find that lots of SSPX folk (especially in France) themselves dislike the revised Latin Good Friday prayers – because they’re not anti-Semitic, no longer referring to “perfidious Jews”.
Meanwhile, let’s not forget the Catholic liberals, who are absolutely loving this controversy, because they’ll use any tactic, however cheap, to discredit Summorum Pontificum and the 1962 Missal. When it comes to this particular argument, they suddenly become terribly anxious about Jewish sensibilities. Call me a cynic, but I find that a bit suspicious, given that as soon as Israel comes under threat they start whining about “Zionist aggression”.
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the jews never stop whining, its really surprising how long they can exploit and whine about something, get over it you pathetic goons!
I think this post will fall on deaf ears since you appear to be a rabid antisemite and I am usually quite neutral about Israel, favouring neither side in the conflict but I will say this: many Jews, whether you feel this is justified or not, feel strongly about Israel because of what happened during WW2, because there was no other place for them to go, most countries, including the USA rejected them so it makes sense that they think Israel is important and here's a video for you, doubt it will cure your hate but have a watch:
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It was a truly horrible thing. But it was a bizillion years ago. Get over it already! You think you were the only group of people that suffered? It wasn't even the worst case of it. Look up Stalin and Collectivization which slowly starved to death over 12 million people. Why is it only the jewish genocide that we keep hearing so much about? Is there some reason that Jews are more special and we should be more upset?
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Nope sorry a youtube video of a jew paid off supporter and brain washed bible thumper isn't going to change my view.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/articles/item/complaining_the_jewish_way_19990115/
Complaining the Jewish Way
Schwartz, a wealthy Jew, took ill in Boston. The medics rushed him to the best hospital, Mass General, where he received VIP treatment. But, after one week, he requested to be transferred to Beth Israel, a much smaller and less prestigious hospital.
At Beth Israel, an intern gathered the courage to ask what went wrong at Mass General. When Schwartz replied that nothing was wrong, that everything was fantastic, the bewildered intern demanded, "Then why did you transfer to Beth Israel?"
"Because," answered Schwartz, "here I can complain."
Complaining seems to be endemic to the Jewish people, a trait going back to our earliest roots. At the end of last week's Torah portion and at the beginning of this week's reading, we are confronted with people constantly complaining. Instead of being grateful for what Moses and Aaron were trying to do, the Israelites accuse the two of prejudicing Pharaoh against them, and of inciting the Egyptians to murder them (Exodus 5:21).
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Nope sorry a youtube video of a jew paid off supporter and brain washed bible thumper isn't going to change my view.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/articles/item/complaining_the_jewish_way_19990115/
Complaining the Jewish Way
Schwartz, a wealthy Jew, took ill in Boston. The medics rushed him to the best hospital, Mass General, where he received VIP treatment. But, after one week, he requested to be transferred to Beth Israel, a much smaller and less prestigious hospital.
At Beth Israel, an intern gathered the courage to ask what went wrong at Mass General. When Schwartz replied that nothing was wrong, that everything was fantastic, the bewildered intern demanded, "Then why did you transfer to Beth Israel?"
"Because," answered Schwartz, "here I can complain."
Complaining seems to be endemic to the Jewish people, a trait going back to our earliest roots. At the end of last week's Torah portion and at the beginning of this week's reading, we are confronted with people constantly complaining. Instead of being grateful for what Moses and Aaron were trying to do, the Israelites accuse the two of prejudicing Pharaoh against them, and of inciting the Egyptians to murder them (Exodus 5:21).
Pat Condell, a Bible Thumper? He hates religion...oh boy.
So, do you think Jews controll the world?
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Pat Condell, a Bible Thumper? He hates religion...oh boy.
So, do you think Jews controll the world?
sorry didn't watch the video, he obviously doesn't know the history of the jewish people, or else he would have a different point of view. The man is looking to excuse the jew for there crimes against humanity and general bad behavior over thousands of years. Jew's don't control the world, they like money and are into banks and entertainment so there image is skewed to something more neutral than criminal thugs, but no they don't, Arabs will soon rule the world and Islam the religion everyone accepts or dies, get it? Lose your christianity bullshit and get with the times, time is not waiting on no one.
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sorry didn't watch the video, he obviously doesn't know the history of the jewish people, or else he would have a different point of view. The man is looking to excuse the jew for there crimes against humanity and general bad behavior over thousands of years. Jew's don't control the world, they like money and are into banks and entertainment so there image is skewed to something more neutral than criminal thugs, but no they don't, Arabs will soon rule the world and Islam the religion everyone accepts or dies, get it? Lose your christianity bullshit and get with the times, time is not waiting on no one.
You are a terrible gimmick.
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sorry didn't watch the video, he obviously doesn't know the history of the jewish people, or else he would have a different point of view. The man is looking to excuse the jew for there crimes against humanity and general bad behavior over thousands of years. Jew's don't control the world, they like money and are into banks and entertainment so there image is skewed to something more neutral than criminal thugs, but no they don't, Arabs will soon rule the world and Islam the religion everyone accepts or dies, get it? Lose your christianity bullshit and get with the times, time is not waiting on no one.
I was about to say the same thing, ridiculous gimmik, no conversation for you... ::)
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Watch this video you jewish sucking tit babies.
You are a terrible gimmick.
You can't argue against the truth, your an idiot controlled by your love for jewish people because you are a conservative nut.
I was about to say the same thing, ridiculous gimmik, no conversation for you... ::)
that's right, you can't argue with the truth, shut your jewish sucking dick mouth boy!
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Egypt Permanently Opens Gaza Border Crossing
JERUSALEM, Israel - Egypt formally opened the Rafah border crossing on Saturday, ending a four-year closure following the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip in June 2007.
Both Hamas and Fatah were pleased with Egypt's decision to reopen the crossing.
Israel voiced concern that Hamas will have a freer hand to smuggle weapons and terrorists in and out of Gaza didn't affect the decison by Egypt's interim government.
An officer with COGAT -- Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories -- said opening the border would allow larger quantities of arms than the "vast quantities of weaponry being smuggled into the Gaza Strip via the tunnels."
Israeli Vice Premier Silvan Shalom called the Egyptian move "dangerous."
Kadima chairwoman and opposition leader Tzipi Livni used the occasion to criticize the Netanyahu government.
"We should be concerned when we see Israel's situation deteriorating, not only in theoretical terms but also in the opening of the Rafah crossing," Livni said on her Facebook page. Livni also criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's position on the infeasibility of returning to the 1967 armistice lines.
According to Palestinian sources, 450 passngers entered Egypt on Saturday.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2011/May/Egypt-Permanently-Opens-Gaza-Border-Crossing/
Glory days are coming you jew sucking boys.
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Egypt Permanently Opens Gaza Border Crossing
JERUSALEM, Israel - Egypt formally opened the Rafah border crossing on Saturday, ending a four-year closure following the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip in June 2007.
Both Hamas and Fatah were pleased with Egypt's decision to reopen the crossing.
Israel voiced concern that Hamas will have a freer hand to smuggle weapons and terrorists in and out of Gaza didn't affect the decison by Egypt's interim government.
An officer with COGAT -- Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories -- said opening the border would allow larger quantities of arms than the "vast quantities of weaponry being smuggled into the Gaza Strip via the tunnels."
Israeli Vice Premier Silvan Shalom called the Egyptian move "dangerous."
Kadima chairwoman and opposition leader Tzipi Livni used the occasion to criticize the Netanyahu government.
"We should be concerned when we see Israel's situation deteriorating, not only in theoretical terms but also in the opening of the Rafah crossing," Livni said on her Facebook page. Livni also criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's position on the infeasibility of returning to the 1967 armistice lines.
According to Palestinian sources, 450 passngers entered Egypt on Saturday.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2011/May/Egypt-Permanently-Opens-Gaza-Border-Crossing/
Glory days are coming you jew sucking boys.
So, what percentage of Jews are in on it? 10% 15% 75%? If you are so certain you must have access to accurate numbers.