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Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« on: February 21, 2009, 08:19:03 PM »
Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
By JACKIE CALMES

WASHINGTON — After a string of costly bailout and stimulus measures, President Obama will set a goal this week to cut the annual deficit at least in half by the end of his term, administration officials said. The reduction would come in large part through Iraq troop withdrawals and higher taxes on the wealthy.

Mr. Obama’s budget outline, which he will release on Thursday, will also confirm his intention to deliver this year on ambitious campaign promises on health care and energy policy.

The president inherited a deficit for 2009 of about $1.2 trillion, which will rise to more than $1.5 trillion, given initial spending from his recently enacted stimulus package. His budget blueprint for the 2010 fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1, will include a 10-year projection showing the annual deficit declining to $533 billion in the 2013 fiscal year, the last year of his term, officials said.

While that suggests a two-thirds reduction, exceeding Mr. Obama’s goal of at least half, advisers note that the current deficit as a starting point is inflated by one-time expenses to stimulate the economy.

Measured against the size of the economy, the projected $533 billion shortfall for 2013 would mean a reduction from a deficit equal to more than 10 percent of the gross domestic product — larger than any deficit since World War II — to 3 percent, which is the level that economists generally consider sustainable. Mr. Obama will project deficits at about that level through 2019, aides said.

In his weekly radio and Internet address on Saturday, Mr. Obama said his first budget was “sober in its assessments, honest in its accounting, and lays out in detail my strategy for investing in what we need, cutting what we don’t, and restoring fiscal discipline.”

“We can’t generate sustained growth without getting our deficits under control,” he added.

The president will propose to tax the investment income of hedge fund and private equity partners at ordinary income tax rates, which are now as high as 35 percent and could return to 39.6 percent under his plans, instead of at the capital gains rate, which is 15 percent at most.

Senior Democrats in Congress joined with Republicans in 2007 to oppose that increase. But with Wall Street discredited and lucrative executive compensation a political target, the provision could prove more popular among lawmakers.

Mr. Obama will also call for letting the Bush tax cuts on income, dividends and capital gains lapse after 2010 for individuals who make more than $250,000 a year. But while the top rate for income would rise to 39.6 percent, the top rate for capital gains and dividends would be 20 percent.

As a candidate, Mr. Obama called for immediately repealing those tax cuts. He decided instead to keep them in place through 2010, as scheduled, reflecting the widespread belief that raising taxes further depresses economic activity.

As for war costs, Mr. Obama’s campaign projected that withdrawing combat troops from Iraq would save about $90 billion a year. But it is not clear how much any savings would be offset by increased spending in Afghanistan, where Mr. Obama has ordered an additional 17,000 troops, bringing the total there to 56,000.

The budget will provide the first clues to how Mr. Obama will reassert fiscal discipline after signing into law a $787 billion economic recovery plan. As difficult as cutting the deficits will be, much of the reduction by the end of his term will simply reflect an end to spending from the two-year stimulus package and — assuming the economy recovers — higher tax revenues and lower expenditures for safety-net programs like unemployment compensation.

Mr. Obama will propose cutting a variety of programs, including the Medicare Advantage subsidies for insurance companies that cover seniors who can otherwise acquire health coverage directly from the government. Another target is spending on private contractors, especially for defense, which spiked during the Bush administration. And he will scale back some promises, including his proposal to double money for foreign aid.

The budget on Thursday will come amid a week of reminders of the nation’s fiscal plight. On Monday Mr. Obama will hold a “fiscal responsibility summit” at the White House with members of Congress from both parties, economists, union leaders and business representatives. On Tuesday he will make a televised address to a joint session of Congress — the equivalent of a State of the Union speech for a new president — that advisers said would focus on the economy. Meanwhile, Congress will debate $410 billion in overdue appropriations for this fiscal year.

Yet Mr. Obama will inflate his challenge by forsaking several gimmicks that President Bush used to make deficits look smaller. He will include war costs in the budget; Mr. Bush did not, and instead sought supplemental money from Congress each year. Mr. Obama also will not count savings from laws that establish lower Medicare payments for doctors and expand the alternative minimum tax to hit more taxpayers — both of which Mr. Bush and Congress routinely took credit for, while knowing they would later waive the laws to raise doctors’ payments and limit the reach of the tax.

Full details of Mr. Obama’s budget for the 2010 fiscal year will be released in April. The outline on Thursday will make clear that he intends to push ahead on promises to contain health care costs and expand insurance coverage, and to move toward an energy cap-and-trade system for controlling emissions of gases blamed for climate change.

“The president believes there are essentially three areas that have to move forward even as we pare back elsewhere — health care, energy and education,” said David Axelrod, his senior adviser. “These are the bulwark of a strong economy moving forward.”

While some people have predicted that Mr. Obama would have to shelve his priorities given rising deficits, his determination to proceed, especially on health care, reflects his economic advisers’ conviction that the government cannot control its finances without reforming health care. The ballooning cost of health care, and thus Medicare and Medicaid, is the biggest factor behind projections of unsustainable deficits in coming decades.

“He wants to present an honest budget, he wants to focus on health care, and he will cut the deficit by at least half by the end of his first term,” Peter R. Orszag, director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, said in an interview.

Mr. Obama will suggest in his budget that expanding health coverage to the more than 46 million uninsured can be done without adding to the deficit, both by making cost-saving changes in the delivery of care and by raising revenues. Advisers declined to identify the tax source.

Changes to the health care system will require investments in disease prevention programs, health information technology and research on cost-effective treatments, among other steps. Some money was included in the stimulus package. Even so, many health analysts believe big savings cannot be realized soon.

On energy policy, Mr. Obama’s budget will show new revenues by 2012 from his proposal to require companies to buy permits from the government for greenhouse gas emissions above a certain cap. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the permits would raise up to $300 billion a year by 2020.

Since companies would pass their costs on to customers, Mr. Obama would have the government use most of the revenues for relief to families to offset higher utility bills and related expenses. The remaining revenues would cover his proposals for $15 billion a year in spending and tax incentives to develop alternative energy.
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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2009, 05:35:06 AM »
On energy policy, Mr. Obama’s budget will show new revenues by 2012 from his proposal to require companies to buy permits from the government for greenhouse gas emissions above a certain cap. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the permits would raise up to $300 billion a year by 2020.

Since companies would pass their costs on to customers, Mr. Obama would have the government use most of the revenues for relief to families to offset higher utility bills and related expenses. The remaining revenues would cover his proposals for $15 billion a year in spending and tax incentives to develop alternative energy.



So, he is going to raise taxes and cause everyones energy bills to go up??????

Then, he is going to pass those taxes through a govt agency and give some back tp the poor while the rest of us get screwed??????


No thanks. 

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2009, 05:43:37 AM »


TEA PARTY COMING SOON.  IMPEACHMENT AFTER THAT!!!!

I said you guys would be calling for impreachment by May.  Looks like I was way off on timeframe yet again...

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2009, 05:49:40 AM »
I said you guys would be calling for impreachment by May.  Looks like I was way off on timeframe yet again...

Its all related to the speed at which he is going to destroy the economy, businesses, middle class people, and give everything away to his selcted "victims".  people voted for change, not marxism, communism, and tyranny.

This is just another SPREAD THE WEALTH scheme where the leviathon govt takes money from the porivate sector and gives it away while the rest of us have higher energy costs.

Obama is far worse than even I thought before the election. 

im not kidding, he is pushing people to the edge with this crap.  Even Celente said that by nickle and diming people, that many are going to go over the edge.

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2009, 06:16:27 AM »
Its a lie.  He is slashing the military spending in Iraq, not the agencies and beauracracy.  If we get hit again, the military spending will go right back up.

Additionally, Pelosi is never going to allow and cuts in govt spending in anything other than the military.

This new energy scheme is terrible.

More companies will simply move or shut down. 

Does this ZERO realize that businesses will not hire more employees if they feel they are being targeted for extortion????

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2009, 06:41:25 AM »
You didn't have anything good to say about slashing government?  33, it's looking a little like you're out for the guy's hide no matter what he does when you can't pick out anything good.  Shouldn't you note the good with the bad?  Have I not been doing that?  When something i don't like is posted like the gps gas tax thread, I sided with you all.
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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2009, 07:08:29 AM »
Unless I see across the board NET spending cuts, the rest is all garbage and wealth transfer schemes.

Raising taxes on companies and then taking that money and giving it to the govt to doll out to people offset what are going to be higher energy costs to taxpayers is so bad to offset any token thing in this budget.

All this is going to do is cause more companies to lay people off and shut down for fear of higher taxes and regulations. 

Do you people have any clue about how business works????

Why do you think so many companies are laying people off right now?????

They are fearful of what is ahead in the form of taxes and regulations.

This type of garbage will only cause more layoff and higher costs.   


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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2009, 07:09:55 AM »
Unless I see across the board NET spending cuts, the rest is all garbage and wealth transfer schemes.

Raising taxes on companies and then taking that money and giving it to the govt to doll out to people offset what are going to be higher energy costs to taxpayers is so bad to offset any token thing in this budget.

All this is going to do is cause more companies to lay people off and shut down for fear of higher taxes and regulations. 

Do you people have any clue about how business works????

Why do you think so many companies are laying people off right now?????

They are fearful of what is ahead in the form of taxes and regulations.

This type of garbage will only cause more layoff and higher costs.   



YOU EVERN THOUGH THEY ARE LYAING OFF BECAUSE THEY ARENT MAKING MONEY  ::)

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 07:12:11 AM »
YOU EVERN THOUGH THEY ARE LYAING OFF BECAUSE THEY ARENT MAKING MONEY  ::)

If they knew that the economy is going to picj up any soon and that they would have more orders to fulfill, they would not be laying people off. 

CAT is a perfect example as well as the car companies.

Companies look forward as well as at the present.

Tell me:  How is taxing businesses more right now going to help the economy???? 

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2009, 07:14:00 AM »
Unless I see across the board NET spending cuts, the rest is all garbage and wealth transfer schemes.

Raising taxes on companies and then taking that money and giving it to the govt to doll out to people offset what are going to be higher energy costs to taxpayers is so bad to offset any token thing in this budget.

All this is going to do is cause more companies to lay people off and shut down for fear of higher taxes and regulations. 

Do you people have any clue about how business works????

Why do you think so many companies are laying people off right now?????

They are fearful of what is ahead in the form of taxes and regulations.

This type of garbage will only cause more layoff and higher costs.   


well you sure don't seem eager to say, "I like this" and stipulate the conditions for your liking it.  You're all negative and it does look like you're out to fill a vendetta rather than put forth an honest appraisal.

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2009, 07:15:46 AM »
JOCKTHEGLIDE, is the president comment for me ;D or Hugo Hugo?  either way, lol ;D

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2009, 07:24:05 AM »
I am not the only one saying this and you know I am right.  Ron Paul,  Schiff, Celente, many of my business clients, and many many others are saying the same thing.  Like BinDare says: OBAMA SUCKS!

Obama does not come at these things from any business or economic experience whatsoever.

He has never met a payroll, never had a real job, never been accountable to a bottom line, never had to deal with overhead, etc.  He has never had to deal with onerous regulations or red tape.  He has always been the one to put red tape in front of people.

He comes to it from a marxist ideology and everything fits through that prism, a l a Saul Alinsky.

Even the CEO of CAT called Obama a liar about the stimulus bill.

Go read the damn article.  Its all through tax increases and Iraq spending.  Its not through anything else.

Believe his lies if you wish, I for one, do not.

I, as a business person myself, know how to read through garbage and lies instantly. 

Obama is a better liar than even Clinton was. 

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2009, 10:16:02 AM »
No real efforts at reducing the debt are being done until they gut the social services of the welfare state, to both low enders and the corporate side (Detroit). Lowering spending by not funding the military is horseshit when little else is cut. How about cutting aid to foreigners, both abroad AND domestically?

Also, raising taxes to cover severe fiscal shortcomings, without cutting spending is like trying to put out a forest fire by blowing on it.

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Re: Obama Has Plan to Slash Deficit, Despite Stimulus Bill
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2011, 09:58:28 AM »
BUMP   -hhhmmmmmm - who was right?