Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: anabolichalo on August 17, 2013, 06:40:23 AM
-
todays delt workout was typical
4 sets of seated military, 6-10 reps with 70kg (first set 10 reps and then less)
4 sets of seated dumbell press 6-10 reps 30kg
4 sets bent over dumbel raise about 8-10 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets of standing dumbel raise 8-12 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets chest on bench rear delt raises dumbels 8-12 reps with the 12kg ones
4 sets of delt machine with the cushions on the elbows to take the elbow joint and forearm out of the picture 8-12 reps
-
not running equipose ???
-
not running equipose ???
equipoise is not a natural hormone
i'm natural
-
overtraining.
-
equipoise is not a natural hormone
i'm natural
as a foot long beard on a woman
-
Do that for a couple years twice a week and get back with us.
-
Gotta do dem triple drop set lateral raises 'down the rack' like good ole Ronnie used to do.
Seriously though, these make my delts explode. (heaviest weight I use is 25lb DBs....if you're using more weight than that, you're probably not doing it right.
-
overtraining.
i dont think so because i'm adding about one rep per week to my first set of military press with 70kg
-
Gotta do dem triple drop set lateral raises 'down the rack' like good ole Ronnie used to do.
Seriously though, these make my delts explode. (heaviest weight I use is 25lb DBs....if you're using more weight than that, you're probably not doing it right.
i thought strip sets drop sets etc were extremely advanced
and a horrible idea for your average joe bodybuilder
-
24 working sets for delts is just ridiculous. Way too much work.
-
24 working sets for delts is just ridiculous. Way too much work.
before i did way less and it didnt do shit either
i dont think the volume is the problem
-
i thought strip sets drop sets etc were extremely advanced
and a horrible idea for your average joe bodybuilder
I thought you wanted to look like a bodybuilder and not a Shizzo??
-
24 working sets for delts is just ridiculous. Way too much work.
It's not too much. You can knock out 24 sets of delts in 40 mins, easy.
-
My current delt workout
three warm up sets side raised then three sets side raises with 25lb super setted into three sets dumbbell press with same dumbbells till failure.
Then three sets cable side laterals to failure.
Done.
-
It's not too much. You can knock out 24 sets of delts in 40 mins, easy.
takes me about 1 hour - 1hour and a half
-
I thought you wanted to look like a bodybuilder and not a Shizzo??
my ideal physique is ronnie coleman 2000-2004
but since i'm white i'll have to take satisfaction with 2007 dennis wolf look
-
takes me about 1 hour - 1hour and a half
Well speed up your rest times bro...it's a DELT WORKOUT....not a heavy squat/deadlift day. 60 second rest periods max, leave with a monster pump in 40 mins. Step up your intensity and get some shit done and go home.
-
genetics
you are an ectomorph
good arms narrow torso
-
my ideal physique is ronnie coleman 2000-2004
but since i'm white i'll have to take satisfaction with 2007 dennis wolf look
A humble goal.
-
A humble goal.
worthwhile nontheles
-
worthwhile nontheles
;D
-
genetics
you are an ectomorph
good arms narrow torso
i feel cursed to be obsessed with something i dont have the genetic for
-
i feel cursed to be obsessed with something i dont have the genetic for
you and 99 percent of the people on this board
you have good arms thats what the ladies want
-
Genetics.
-
genetics
you are an ectomorph
good arms narrow torso
this.
only so much you can do with genetics like that.
all your injections from now on should be in your delts. give them an artificial fullness.
standing side db raises, reverse pec dec machine, cable shoulder press. (i feel this in delts more then db presses), standing front raises.
use a weight you can control and go to 10-12 clean reps. heavy weight your swinging around is not what you want.
-
overtraining.
Agreed, unless he's using uber-light weights.
-
this.
only so much you can do with genetics like that.
all your injections from now on should be in your delts. give them an artificial fullness.
standing side db raises, reverse pec dec machine, cable shoulder press. (i feel this in delts more then db presses), standing front raises.
use a weight you can control and go to 10-12 clean reps. heavy weight your swinging around is not what you want.
This is good advice...
Delts are a bodypart I strongly feel requires higher reps, and responds best to fast paced, high intensity "pump" type workouts.
I think your best delt workouts really come from heavy benching and rowing, so on shoulder day I blast mine high reps and the goal is just get a brutal pump in about 40 mins...This seems to make mine explode. 15lb dumbell laterals for 20 will make any bodybuilder struggle if one right.
-
overtraining.
You trolling brah?
-
This is good advice...
Delts are a bodypart I strongly feel requires higher reps, and responds best to fast paced, high intensity "pump" type workouts.
I think your best delt workouts really come from heavy benching and rowing, so on shoulder day I blast mine high reps and the goal is just get a brutal pump in about 40 mins...This seems to make mine explode. 15lb dumbell laterals for 20 will make any bodybuilder struggle if one right.
Agreed... I've been finding certain muscle groups/exercises require lighter, pumping, high paces sets, and others slow, deliberate piston type movements. Im still working on what works best for each bodypart... but for me, my triceps never changed until I started pumping them out lighter, faster, and with more reps. Squats also seem to do better for me lighter and faster...
Biceps also seem to work better with a faster paced pumping style workout. For me, most chest exercises seem to do better with slow, deliberate motions (aside from cable flyes). As do most heavy compound exercises. Deadlifts I absolutely CANNOT go with a fast, pumping style. I tried once and never again.
-
You trolling brah?
Seems like a lot of work sets for such a small bodypart, and for the amount of gear he's pinning, unless he's using light weights. Just my limited .02
-
You trolling brah?
Nah, being serious, who really does all that work for such a small muscle as delts?
Its way too much.
-
overtraining.
Find pics of someone with good delts?
-
Nah, being serious, who really does all that work for such a small muscle as delts?
Its way too much.
Man, even in my natty/clean as a whistle days, I had no issues blasting 20 sets on delts in 40 mins. As long as my nutrition was good, and I'd take a rest day every 3 or 4 days, I was never "overtrained." I've only ever felt like that when I try to lift 6 or 7 days straight.
Even now, my recovery is twice as good as my natty days, but I still get worn down after 4-5 days straight. I wouldn't go so far as to claim overtraining.
-
Agreed... I've been finding certain muscle groups/exercises require lighter, pumping, high paces sets, and others slow, deliberate piston type movements. Im still working on what works best for each bodypart... but for me, my triceps never changed until I started pumping them out lighter, faster, and with more reps. Squats also seem to do better for me lighter and faster...
Biceps also seem to work better with a faster paced pumping style workout. For me, most chest exercises seem to do better with slow, deliberate motions (aside from cable flyes). As do most heavy compound exercises. Deadlifts I absolutely CANNOT go with a fast, pumping style. I tried once and never again.
Yeah man I hear ya. Anything heavy and i like to go slow/controlled. And the only thing nowadays I go heavy on is squats and deads. Everything else I like an epic pump workout.
-
Man, even in my natty/clean as a whistle days, I had no issues blasting 20 sets on delts in 40 mins. As long as my nutrition was good, and I'd take a rest day every 3 or 4 days, I was never "overtrained." I've only ever felt like that when I try to lift 6 or 7 days straight.
Even now, my recovery is twice as good as my natty days, but I still get worn down after 4-5 days straight. I wouldn't go so far as to claim overtraining.
Its obviously not working for anabolichalo, thats bearing in mind hes actually doing it. ::)
-
Try swapping militarys for pbhn from ear level (to protect rotary cuffs)
I prefer using the pins set at ear level and pausing on them at the bottom of eavh rep.
This made the biggest difference to my deltoid development, not saying they are anything special at allbut they really were piss poor and very flat from the front.it actually made traps grow too?
-
It's over training. Plain and simple. With the amount of work that the anterior and posterior delts get via compound movements on your other days, 24 working sets is just way too much. A dedicated "shoulder day" is retarded. Let alone one that is taking you 1.5 hours to complete. I never spend more than 50 minutes in the gym personally. If I can't get it done inside 50 minutes, it doesn't need doing. Work smarter, not harder. Particularly if you are natty.
I don't know if this is a troll thread or not, so I'm not going to spend a bunch of time. Try doing less for a while and see what you get. Focus on really clean reps paying extra attention to the eccentric portion of the movement. Concentrate on the mind/muscle connection. Try to "feel" the movement working the muscle. Short rest periods between sets (45 seconds to a minute). Use a weight that is challenging, but does not sacrifice form or your ability to concentrate on the eccentric portion of the movement. With the time you save, do some calf, ab or forearm work. Everyone I know neglects at least one of those areas.
Try lowering to 12-16 working sets and keep it between 6 and 10 reps. A press, a lateral movement, and a raise. Do it on a day that isn't near back/chest. Or try a push/pull/legs routine. If you are over training everything (and you probably are if that is really your delt routine), it could be a great routine for you.
-
equipoise is not a natural hormone
i'm natural
wtf??i thought started on some gear or something?
-
overtraining.
This. Plus. That was your delt work out only, correct? In training chest, you're hitting delts again, etc...
-
It's over training. Plain and simple. With the amount of work that the anterior and posterior delts get via compound movements on your other days, 24 working sets is just way too much. A dedicated "shoulder day" is retarded. Let alone one that is taking you 1.5 hours to complete. I never spend more than 50 minutes in the gym personally. If I can't get it done inside 50 minutes, it doesn't need doing. Work smarter, not harder. Particularly if you are natty.
I don't know if this is a troll thread or not, so I'm not going to spend a bunch of time. Try doing less for a while and see what you get. Focus on really clean reps paying extra attention to the eccentric portion of the movement. Concentrate on the mind/muscle connection. Try to "feel" the movement working the muscle. Short rest periods between sets (45 seconds to a minute). Use a weight that is challenging, but does not sacrifice form or your ability to concentrate on the eccentric portion of the movement. With the time you save, do some calf, ab or forearm work. Everyone I know neglects at least one of those areas.
Try lowering to 12-16 working sets and keep it between 6 and 10 reps. A press, a lateral movement, and a raise. Do it on a day that isn't near back/chest. Or try a push/pull/legs routine. If you are over training everything (and you probably are if that is really your delt routine), it could be a great routine for you.
This overtraining business is nonsense bro science. Unless he is constantly run down and his immune system is wrecked, he's NOT over trained.
-
well, the first thing you are doing wrong is asking these no pussy getting mother fuckers advice, they don't even lift...read education of a bodybuilder and get into g4p asap, try another sport. hope this helps
-
This overtraining business is nonsense bro science. Unless he is constantly run down and his immune system is wrecked, he's NOT over trained.
exactly
your body starts to shut down when you are overtrained
flu like symptoms etc
-
Regarding over training, what about causing too much muscle fiber break down to the point where it's counter productive. Is that possible given say his routine?
-
overtraining.
That's what I was thinking...
-
Regarding over training, what about causing too much muscle fiber break down to the point where it's counter productive. Is that possible given say his routine?
I don't see this being possibly for an average lifter/bodybuilder with decent nutrition on a traditional 5 day a week split. In fact I'd say it's damn near impossible on a normal bodybuilder split, even crushing everything twice a week during those 5 days. Your bodies ability to adapt to stress is remarkable. Drug free or not.
I think the training in those 5 days will always lead to elevated protein synthesis and subsequent hypertrophy if nutrition is adequate, and you sleep like a normal person should.
Ask Coach about this...I know he LOLs at this concept as well, talking about Bodybuilders who do 20 sets a day 5 days a week and then claim overtraining.
-
before i did way less and it didnt do shit either
i dont think the volume is the problem
too scared to go to complete failure
-
Will has the answers. :D
-
i dont think so because i'm adding about one rep per week to my first set of military press with 70kg
overtraining
-
The real danger from overtraining is developing tendinosis , that's a real bitch to cure.
I do delts after chest, ever four days, every couple of weeks I start my "press" day with hs behind the neck presses.
But yes
Genetics
-
The real danger from overtraining is developing tendinosis , that's a real bitch to cure.
I do delts after chest, ever four days, every couple of weeks I start my "press" day with hs behind the neck presses.
But yes
Genetics
I split em. Fronts with chest. Side and rear with back.
Push torso
Pull torso
-
The only way to find out if its over training or not is to lay off that volume of exercise for a few weeks, and see the results.
-
The more we say 'overtraining', the more reps A'halo will add to his shoulder regimen.. That's his stubborn nature.
-
I split em. Fronts with chest. Side and rear with back.
Push torso
Pull torso
interesting approach, never thought of that before.
Will be trying this in future.
-
having good shoulders is really a lot to do with your clavicle width...no amount of drugs food or weights will change that.
-
The real danger from overtraining is developing tendinosis , that's a real bitch to cure.
I do delts after chest, ever four days, every couple of weeks I start my "press" day with hs behind the neck presses.
But yes
Genetics
Yup, especially on juice the muscles can take just about whatever you throw at them. Lol at the idea of "delts" getting overtrained.
OP, do side raises, side raises, side raises. Start w/ 25-30 pounds, do them until failure. Drop 5 pounds and do that set until failure. Repeat for a grand total of 5 sets of side raises. Overhead press is shit for deltoids.
Keep your pinkies slightly higher than your thumbs. And remember: delts push the weights OUT, traps pull the weight up If you can master that, you will get your shoulders to grow
-
i'm an ectomorph and my delts are great... so that's no excuse.
you're doing wayyyy to much volume, IMO.
I hit shoulders yesterday. seated btn press in a smith machine 3 sets 12-15... then did 2 light sets with elbows in front of my body, bar down to chin level for 12 reps.... then to front raises with an ez-bar, palms up on the outside grips. 3 sets of 10, went up to 60 on the last one... nothing heavy.... then 2 sets of wide grip upright rows with maybe 60lbs... then 3 "drop sets" of bent-arm laterals with only 20's for 10 dropping down to bands for another 8-10.... 13 sets total, none were heavy.. the first set of btn press were light and probably didn't need the upright rows, but I wanted to get some blood in my traps.
As Bob Chic said, "I've never seen a guy improve a bodypart by training it more often".
I'd say keep it simple.
3 sets of a pressing movement
3 sets of something to the front
and 7 sets FST7-style of something to the side.
train rear delts at the end of back day with a few sets of machine rear-flyes or bent over db flyes.
-
todays delt workout was typical
4 sets of seated military, 6-10 reps with 70kg (first set 10 reps and then less)
4 sets of seated dumbell press 6-10 reps 30kg
4 sets bent over dumbel raise about 8-10 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets of standing dumbel raise 8-12 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets chest on bench rear delt raises dumbels 8-12 reps with the 12kg ones
4 sets of delt machine with the cushions on the elbows to take the elbow joint and forearm out of the picture 8-12 reps
I have trouble developing my delts too. Lately, I have increased the reps, starting at 15 and working down to 8 with lighter resistance on most exercises. I do between 4 and 6 sets on each exercise. When my energy level is high, I superset standing front and side lateral raises as well until I get a really good burn. As a result, my delts are gradually looking more defined and rounded. Over the years, I seen fellows who handle massive weight on exercises like overhead presses and yet appear to have small delts. On the other hand, I've noticed that guys who do a lot of set/reps using strict from and lighter resistance have better defined delts.
Change is good. Whatever you are doing, if it isn't working for you, change it up.
-
I have trouble developing my delts too. Lately, I have increased the reps, starting at 15 and working down to 8 with lighter resistance on most exercises. I do between 4 and 6 sets on each exercise. When my energy level is high, I superset standing front and side lateral raises as well until I get a really good burn. As a result, my delts are gradually looking more defined and rounded. Over the years, I seen fellows who handle massive weight on exercises like overhead presses and yet appear to have small delts. On the other hand, I've noticed that guys who do a lot of set/reps using strict from and lighter resistance have better defined delts.
Change is good. Whatever you are doing, if it isn't working for you, change it up.
Normally your posts are old man ramblings about gay things involving Tbombz, but I've gotta give you credit where it's due....it's pretty fuckin cool that at age 94, you're still crushing it in the gym, trying to improve your physique. Good for you bro 8)
-
I have trouble developing my delts too. Lately, I have increased the reps, starting at 15 and working down to 8 with lighter resistance on most exercises. I do between 4 and 6 sets on each exercise. When my energy level is high, I superset standing front and side lateral raises as well until I get a really good burn. As a result, my delts are gradually looking more defined and rounded. Over the years, I seen fellows who handle massive weight on exercises like overhead presses and yet appear to have small delts. On the other hand, I've noticed that guys who do a lot of set/reps using strict from and lighter resistance have better defined delts.
Change is good. Whatever you are doing, if it isn't working for you, change it up.
I think delts are a lot like calves.. (or any other bodypart), some guys will have nice round, capped delts no matter what they do, just like some guys will have big 'ole diamond shaped calves no matter what they do.... i'm lucky I got the delts. lol. (and triceps)... too bad I didn't get the genes for chest.
I think anybody can improve their back and quads... even biceps, but if you don't have the genes for delts, calves, or triceps (flat tri's, high tie-in's).. you're kinda screwed.
-
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
-
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Does it suck even harder than losing those last 3 hairs?
-
Does it suck even harder than losing those last 3 hairs?
maybe i have more hair than you do
you seem to be really pre occupied with hairloss
people without hairloss or at least unaware of their hairloss hardly notice threads about hairloss
they glance over them not even noticing them
you sound like a closet balder
-
maybe i have more hair than you do
you seem to be really pre occupied with hairloss
people without hairloss or at least unaware of their hairloss hardly notice threads about hairloss
they glance over them not even noticing them
you sound like a closet balder
post a pic of your hair.
-
maybe i have more hair than you do
you seem to be really pre occupied with hairloss
people without hairloss or at least unaware of their hairloss hardly notice threads about hairloss
they glance over them not even noticing them
you sound like a closet balder
Nice try, but both granddaddies had good hair, zero baldness in the family :)
This is a good indication about my current hair condition, should I worry?
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/BanderasHairstyle.jpg)
-
Do that for a couple years twice a week and get back with us.
This. Also throw in 275-300 grams of protein EVERY SINGLE DAY for two years. Don't forget 500 mg's weekly of the Test of your choice. See you at the evening show.
-
Your shoulder workout should only be like 20 minutes, 2 to 3 sets of military superset back and front, front raise, side laterals, and bent rear delts, upright row, and maybe another lift, hit light upper chest at the end of workout too, this will force blood in that area of shoulders, 30 minute workout tops
-
Nice try, but both granddaddies had good hair, zero baldness in the family :)
This is a good indication about my current hair condition, should I worry?
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/BanderasHairstyle.jpg)
î dont believe it
people with good hair dont go on and on about it
-
This. Also throw in 275-300 grams of protein EVERY SINGLE DAY for two years. Don't forget 500 mg's weekly of the Test of your choice. See you at the evening show.
what about overall calories? you mentioned protein
THANKS
-
î dont believe it
people with good hair dont go on and on about it
What's new? You only believe in God & Galeniko ::)
I just laugh about your hair obsession, no reason to lie.
-
What's new? You only believe in God & Galeniko ::)
I just laugh about your hair obsession, no reason to lie.
i also believe in
onetimehard
wiggs
bfg
and many more
-
i also believe in
onetimehard
wiggs
bfg
and many more
And don't forget the GOAT & Tupac :D
-
The more we say 'overtraining', the more reps A'halo will add to his shoulder regimen.. That's his stubborn nature.
I can't help but to like A-halo, but you're right.
IMHO, a proper shoulder routine doesn't need tons of volume. If you've not stimulated the fuck out of your front delts from training pecs with flats and/or inclines, you've obviously pulled a Jenova and done something terribly wrong :( Medial delts = high pulls, some manner of lateral raises. Rear delts -- lots of face pulls, rear delt machine shit and ultra wide-grip BB rows to the chest. Work in some John Meadows stuff and a weekly session of Reeves deads and your shoulders won't suck for long.
Increased training frequency will help to a point, but as a rule of thumb, the more often you train a bodypart, the fewer to-failure sets you should do (IMO). In other words, if you can do DB presses with a pair of 110s and fail at the 8 rep mark, stop at six reps.
Hope that helps at least a little.
-
The more we say 'overtraining', the more cc's A'halo will add to his streroid regimen.. That's his stubborn nature.
fixed
-
fixed
Still on 300mg test e only?
-
Still on 300mg test e only?
yes everytime i want to up it you come along to remind me about hairloss
-
I can't help but to like A-halo, but you're right.
IMHO, a proper shoulder routine doesn't need tons of volume. If you've not stimulated the fuck out of your front delts from training pecs with flats and/or inclines, you've obviously pulled a Jenova and done something terribly wrong :( Medial delts = high pulls, some manner of lateral raises. Rear delts -- lots of face pulls, rear delt machine shit and ultra wide-grip BB rows to the chest. Work in some John Meadows stuff and a weekly session of Reeves deads and your shoulders won't suck for long.
Increased training frequency will help to a point, but as a rule of thumb, the more often you train a bodypart, the fewer to-failure sets you should do (IMO). In other words, if you can do DB presses with a pair of 110s and fail at the 8 rep mark, stop at six reps.
Hope that helps at least a little.
Solid post. I follow John Meadows as well, inspiring Youtube channel.
I can't remember when I did more than 3 exercises for my delts. I train them very strict, constant tension, mostly DB raises, each head 2-3 sets max, 4-5 times a week (yes, frequency rocks!).
-
yes everytime i want to up it you come along to remind me about hairloss
Sorry mate ;D
More test will make you bigger, but more bloated as well. Why not throw a second compound in the mix, like mast or bold?
-
Sorry mate ;D
More test will make you bigger, but more bloated as well. Why not throw a second compound in the mix, like mast or bold?
fuck i'm just gonna click out of this thread before nuclear meltdown
-
Well speed up your rest times bro...it's a DELT WORKOUT....not a heavy squat/deadlift day. 60 second rest periods max, leave with a monster pump in 40 mins. Step up your intensity and get some shit done and go home.
Hit the nail on the Head...the delts should be pumped up and worked hard...yes..with tri sets and supersets. or as Chiro said running the rack. Remember your delts are punished with all sorts of benches and Dips..ever had a shoulder injury? try doing benches or Dips. The shoulders are so key but so prone to injury. Chiro...outstanding advice ! ;)
-
Hit the nail on the Head...the delts should be pumped up and worked hard...yes..with tri sets and supersets. or as Chiro said running the rack. Remember your delts are punished with all sorts of benches and Dips..ever had a shoulder injury? try doing benches or Dips. The shoulders are so key but so prone to injury. Chiro...outstanding advice ! ;)
Thanks brother 8)
-
Hit the nail on the Head...the delts should be pumped up and worked hard...yes..with tri sets and supersets. or as Chiro said running the rack. Remember your delts are punished with all sorts of benches and Dips..ever had a shoulder injury? try doing benches or Dips. The shoulders are so key but so prone to injury. Chiro...outstanding advice ! ;)
nope
-
Thanks brother 8)
no probs ..praise where it´s due ;)
-
fuck i'm just gonna click out of this thread before nuclear meltdown
You will come back..
Edit: I was right
-
Some people have small unresponsive to training calves, some people have small delts.
Even pro bodybuilders on shitloads of drugs can have weak bodyparts.
They try to compensate by injecting oil in there.
Like Nassoil El Soiledmanty
-
Some people have small unresponsive to training calves, some people have small delts.
Even pro bodybuilders on shitloads of drugs can have weak bodyparts.
They try to compensate by injecting oil in there.
i thought delts were always responding to drugs
-
i thought delts were always responding to drugs
Yes, broscientists say that there are a lot of androgen receptors in the shoulders.
But not everyone would have the same amount of androgen receptors in various muscles.
There are some people born with a disorder known as "androgen insensitivity syndrome" where they have weak or no response to steroids.
I'd say there is a wide variance on androgen receptor density and sensitivity in humans. Kevine Levrone is one who would have good androgen receptor genes.
-
maybe i have more hair than you do
you seem to be really pre occupied with hairloss
people without hairloss or at least unaware of their hairloss hardly notice threads about hairloss
they glance over them not even noticing them
you sound like a closet balder
"Closet balder" is hysterical!
Maybe it is because I started going bald in my teens or maybe it is because my head has an okay shape, but what's the issue with being bald? I embrace it, always have. What little hair there is up there I buzz off with the electric shaver a couple of times a week. It costs me nearly nothing to maintain my lack of hair.
When I don't want to be bald....like when it is really cold out, I throw on a hat.
I don't begrudge people with a full head of hair. Even though I would probably look really weird with hair, I think it might be fun sometimes to have a full head of curly hair (mine was straight). The only thing guys with hair have over guys without hair is the ability to change their hairstyle. And how fortunate is it that bald is and has been in style for sometime now.
-
"Closet balder" is hysterical!
Maybe it is because I started going bald in my teens or maybe it is because my head has an okay shape, but what's the issue with being bald? I embrace it, always have. What little hair there is up there I buzz off with the electric shaver a couple of times a week. It costs me nearly nothing to maintain my lack of hair.
When I don't want to be bald....like when it is really cold out, I throw on a hat.
I don't begrudge people with a full head of hair. Even though I would probably look really weird with hair, I think it might be fun sometimes to have a full head of curly hair (mine was straight). The only thing guys with hair have over guys without hair is the ability to change their hairstyle. And how fortunate is it that bald is and has been in style for sometime now.
"Closet balder" is great :D
Good to read a relativistic "I've been there" post. A'halo is a good dude, but also a cry boy that can't accept things as they happen.
-
"Closet balder" is great :D
Good to read a relativistic "I've been there" post. A'halo is a good dude, but also a cry boy that can't accept things as they happen.
I'll admit I was pretty upset when my "surfer hairstyle" started going at 16 years old. By the time I was 22 years old, I no longer missed it. I might have cried a time or two back then....although I have always been pretty pragmatic about things.
-
I'll admit I was pretty upset when my "surfer hairstyle" started going at 16 years old. By the time I was 22 years old, I no longer missed it. I might have cried a time or two back then....although I have always been pretty pragmatic about things.
I'll keep my hair until the next day if possible.
-
Thanks brother 8)
I totally agree with this, I usually do GVT for delts for pressing and never go heavy, lots of volume and constant tension.
-
I totally agree with this, I usually do GVT for delts for pressing and never go heavy, lots of volume and constant tension.
Yes absolutely! Delts aren't a primary mover like quads or chest....they are designed for circumduction, NOT for moving heavy loads. Therefore I believe in training them differently than you would your big muscle groups. I shake my head when I see these poor kids trying to 1RM on barbell military press and not seeing one bit of growth from their delts :-\
-
Yes absolutely! Delts aren't a primary mover like quads or chest....they are designed for circumduction, NOT for moving heavy loads. Therefore I believe in training them differently than you would your big muscle groups. I shake my head when I see these poor kids trying to 1RM on barbell military press and not seeing one bit of growth from their delts :-\
Lol yes, usually cheating too much weight on standing presses too which are 50% technique and not a pure delt exercise
-
stop being a fucktard man,
do rotator cuff movements 1st and get all warmed up. do some laterals to get warm
one press movement
side lateral
bent lateral
and shrugs
do one to two real sets to failure after a few warm up sets for each exercise. done
hth
-
Gotta do dem triple drop set lateral raises 'down the rack' like good ole Ronnie used to do.
Seriously though, these make my delts explode. (heaviest weight I use is 25lb DBs....if you're using more weight than that, you're probably not doing it right.
Drop set laterals give a huge pump.
I've seen other women use the 25's, no reason for you to be embarrassed.
-
Drop set laterals give a huge pump.
I've seen other women use the 25's, no reason for you to be embarrassed.
Your body is shaped like a penis.
-
I'll keep my hair until the next day if possible.
Normally I don't throw out my experience as the be all end all because there are usually variables to any experience. If you hair starts to go and it is from male pattern baldness, accept it. There is nothing you can do about it that makes any sense what-so-ever.
I authored a college thesis paper on the available remedies or "fixes" for baldness. In researching various " baldness remedies" for the paper I interviewed everyone from wig makers to cosmetic surgeons who specialized in things like scalp reduction and hair plugs as well as people who picked some of these options.
You will go broke buying Rogaine and at the end of the day, your hair will still fall out. The most inventive remedy I discovered in my adventures into this subject was a fellow who had his bald head tattooed with colorful tattoos. This might not be the best idea for everyone, but it sure beats gluing a rug on your head or wearing a wig. As I mentioned before, my choice is a collection of hats which I wear whenever I don't feel like being bald. At least it is an honest solution.
-
I'll admit I was pretty upset when my "surfer hairstyle" started going at 16 years old. By the time I was 22 years old, I no longer missed it. I might have cried a time or two back then....although I have always been pretty pragmatic about things.
Wow, already at that young age. You're building confidence, meet girls... and find out you're losing hair :-\
Yeah it's all about attitude, better to accept things as they come..
-
Wow, already at that young age. You're building confidence, meet girls... and find out you're losing hair :-\
Yeah it's all about attitude, better to accept things as they come..
Think about it this way; if you had to choose between losing your hair or losing your dick, which would it be? See, losing your hair isn't so bad is it?
-
Seated lateral raises at medium/lower weight for higher reps and sets seems to work best for me.
-
Drop set laterals give a huge pump.
I've seen other women use the 25's, no reason for you to be embarrassed.
I'd like to see your "strict form" there stud :-*
-
Think about it this way; if you had to choose between losing your hair or losing your dick, which would it be? See, losing your hair isn't so bad is it?
I'm still waiting for option C ;D
-
Think about it this way; if you had to choose between losing your hair or losing your dick, which would it be? See, losing your hair isn't so bad is it?
would you also say this to somebody who lost his eyes, his nose, his hands....
problem is you can accept it as much as you want, other people are still going to say really hateful things about "that slaphead" this and that "baldie" that etc
they should put people like that in prison for hate crime
-
would you also say this to somebody who lost his eyes, his nose, his hands....
problem is you can accept it as much as you want, other people are still going to say really hateful things about "that slaphead" this and that "baldie" that etc
they should put people like that in prison for hate crime
What's more important to you, the way you see yourself, or the way you think(!) that other people see you?
Your reasoning makes no sense. Prime is a mature guy that found a way to handle it, you can learn from that.
-
What's more important to you, the way you see yourself, or the way you think(!) that other people see you?
Your reasoning makes no sense. Prime is a mature guy that found a way to handle it, you can learn from that.
this is a lot more important than people like to pretend in disussions like thesze
-
this is a lot more important than people like to pretend in disussions like thesze
You're avoiding my question, it was a question for you. So again, what's more important to you?
-
side laterals is one of the classic weight over form exercises you see guys doing in the gym
swinging, changing the angles and shortening their arms etc
try doing them slowly arms at your side and raising straight armed just above your shoulder line
guarantee most of the guys on here would be dropping fifty percent of their weight
-
What's new? You only believe in God & Galeniko ::)
I just laugh about your hair obsession, no reason to lie.
I shaved my head for the fuck of it 2 weeks ago and it's already grown out.
-
Might consider Dumb Bell presses of any kind, for hitting the delts. DB see-saw, alternate, Arnold, Scott-Gironda, "W"s,Cuban press, etc, etc, etc.. One arm DB presses, including side presses, are very rewarding.
DB up-right rows/hi-pulls target the lateral head strongly. Best doing one arm at a time, bracing the free hand, and pulling with the elbows out wide and in line with the body. (the BB hi-pull is an exceptional delts movement also)
With Lateral raises, cheating is a very good option. If you don't want to, than don't....but a correct cheating style can be very productive, when muscle mass is the goal. If you prefer ging by the book with a strict style and full ROM, than that's your choice.
Some guy's will do one arm at a time lateral raises, with a slight swing to start the upward motion. There are at least half a dozen way's (maybe more) of doing lateral raise, each having there own merit. Most will only raise the DB's, with doing any version, to around shoulder (or a little below) height. Might try raising the DB's to around head height, the point where the traps begin to take the majority of the work. Hold at that top position for a second or two. Grip/hand position is another element to take into consideration.
Might try lateral raises, starting with the DB's in front of the body and than finish the rep with the DB's meeting behind the back. Raise the DB's again and finish with them meeting in the front of the body. Can do this laying on a incline bench or on a flat bench/floor, one arm at a time. Good Luck.
-
I shaved my head for the fuck of it 2 weeks ago and it's already grown out.
A'baldo would lost his last hair when he reads this ;D
-
I shaved my head for the fuck of it 2 weeks ago and it's already grown out.
mate...shaved is the way to go....bald and sexy... ;D
-
I shaved my head for the fuck of it 2 weeks ago and it's already grown out.
Braggart!
-
if bald people go to heaven, do they get their hair back?
-
if bald people go to heaven, do they get their hair back?
they died of shame anyways so not likely
-
they died of shame anyways so not likely
I don't believe in heaven, but if I did, I would have thick curly blond hair when I got there. Oh, and perfect musculature, a big dick and amazing intelligence and wit, etc!
-
I do my dumbell laterals with 60's, flawless form. standing military presses 225 for 10 reps, no leg drive..all the way to the top.
-
if bald people go to heaven, do they get their hair back?
Don't worry, you won't go to heaven
-
Don't worry, you won't go to heaven
Good to know....that you know this! When you get there, if you do, send me a postcard. :o
-
I don't believe in heaven, but if I did, I would have thick curly blond hair when I got there. Oh, and perfect musculature, a big dick and amazing intelligence and wit, etc!
you haven't earned any of those goofy qualities.
-
Good to know....that you know this! When you get there, if you do, send me a postcard. :o
I promise and I'm sure that one of their angels know your exact location.
BTW, I hope they allow me to keep my Getbig membership.
-
I do my dumbell laterals with 60's, flawless form. standing military presses 225 for 10 reps, no leg drive..all the way to the top.
I'd love to see a vid of this! Not doubting you...but flawless form with 60s is retarded strong
-
you haven't earned any of those goofy qualities.
You seem to be all knowing when it comes to what I have or haven't earned. I will take your reply under advisement.
-
would you also say this to somebody who lost his eyes, his nose, his hands....
problem is you can accept it as much as you want, other people are still going to say really hateful things about "that slaphead" this and that "baldie" that etc
they should put people like that in prison for hate crime
I think there are much more serious hate crimes going on which society seems incapable of managing. Perhaps it all depends on one's perspective, huh?
-
I'd love to see a vid of this! Not doubting you...but flawless form with 60s is retarded strong
X2
This is 'flaweless' in my book; elbows and hands are on the same level.
(http://directlyfitness.com/store/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/shoulder-side-raises.jpg)
-
I'd love to see a vid of this! Not doubting you...but flawless form with 60s is retarded strong
Im not exactly a narrow guy ;D
-
Im not exactly a narrow guy ;D
We understand that you're not dj181'ish, but we would love to see those 'flawless' 60 pound side raises (no homo)
-
We understand that you're not dj181'ish, but we would love to see those 'flawless' 60 pound side raises (no homo)
I will....and will be posting videos of the following
60 pound dumbellside raises.
25 wide grip chins from a dead hang...at a bw of 220 plus
700lb raw deadlift (no straps)
I've never posted pictures of my back before. It was my best bodypart at one time and its starting to take off again....stay tuned
-
We understand that you're not dj181'ish, but we would love to see those 'flawless' 60 pound side raises (no homo)
where's your pic stud?
oh yeah that's right, you won't post one
fyi, my structural width ain't that bad acutally
-
where's your pic stud?
oh yeah that's right, you won't post one
fyi, my structural width ain't that bad acutally
There's not much to judge here, but I see we have at least 2 things in common: a good jawline & strong eyebrows. Most women appreciate these qualities.
-
I do my dumbell laterals with 60's, flawless form. standing military presses 225 for 10 reps, no leg drive..all the way to the top.
well you are a manley so have short levers
-
Don't worry, you won't go to heaven
Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6' 200lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.
-
I think there are much more serious hate crimes going on which society seems incapable of managing. Perhaps it all depends on one's perspective, huh?
i think law enforcement should shift attention from race hate crimes to bald hate crimes
after all, the rewards of being a handsome well endowed negro outweigh the negative side of hate crime by far
but what about being bald, there is no silver lining, there is no sunshine after the rain, there is no light after the darkness
there is only the voices of the damned
-
Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6' 200lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.
Settle down Anabolicmeltdown. The reason that I wrote this, is because heaven and hell are outdated concepts, invented to keep questioning people -like you- quite. More intelligent people know better, they accept the fact that we're incapable to explain everything around us.
I'm sorry to hear about your mother, and for the record, I will never say something bad about someones family, never! You may think that I'm an anonymous asshole, then sure, go ahead, if it makes you feel better, more power to you ::)
Sure buy me a plane ticket, that saves me a +/- 100 km ride ::)
-
Settle down Anabolicmeltdown. The reason I wrote that is because heaven and hell are outdated concepts, to keep questioning people -like you- quite.
I'm sorry to hear about your mother, and for the record, I will never say something bad about someones family, never! You may think that I'm an anonymous asshole, then sure, go ahead, if it makes you feel better, more power to you ::)
Sure buy me a plane ticket, that saves me a +/- 100 km ride ::)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you fell for it
oldest meme in the book
-
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you fell for it
oldest meme in the book
Sure, I feel but hurt, I will never recover from this :'(
-
Sure, I feel but hurt, I will never recover from this :'(
fucking trolled is what you should feel like ;D
i butthurt flinstone a few times lately, i think he needs reconstrucive surgery of the rectum
he may not recover
-
fucking trolled is what you should feel like ;D
i butthurt flinstone a few times lately, i think he needs reconstrucive surgery of the rectum
he may not recover
You may be delusional to the max, but I'm glad that I made your day
-
You may be delusional to the max, but I'm glad that I made your day
only a girl can make my day
IF she comments on my arms and how amazing they are
-
well you are a manley so have short levers
I'm taller than you!
-
I'm taller than you!
and i'm an astronaut
-
Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6' 200lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.
- wishes he was black- check
- pays welfare to a fucking black- check
- pale, shitty skin that all the training in the world wont fix- check
-insulted me under a gimmick - check
you talk about banging women yet your afraid to even talk shit to someone online using your real handle? lol do you think your fooling anyone here?
baby steps bro ;D
-
todays delt workout was typical
4 sets of seated military, 6-10 reps with 70kg (first set 10 reps and then less)
4 sets of seated dumbell press 6-10 reps 30kg
4 sets bent over dumbel raise about 8-10 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets of standing dumbel raise 8-12 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets chest on bench rear delt raises dumbels 8-12 reps with the 12kg ones
4 sets of delt machine with the cushions on the elbows to take the elbow joint and forearm out of the picture 8-12 reps
cut your sets in half.......perform 4 sets pressing movement.....4 sets bent over laterals......and 4 sets side laterals.....and call it good. 12 sets total. imho
-
You seem to be all knowing when it comes to what I have or haven't earned. I will take your reply under advisement.
remember, we're monitoring you ;D
-
Agree with Wild Wille, solid advice
. Less will usually give more in development and strength. Don't want to follow the bad example of doing 22-24 sets for delts, that PrimeMuscle had been doing. Only thing you will get is tired and reduce recovery abilities, giving way to colds and other ills. Not even for young guy's in their teens and early twenty's, let along an older gentlemen, like PrimeMuscle, approaching the bad side of his 60's.
-
cut your sets in half.......perform 4 sets pressing movement.....4 sets bent over laterals......and 4 sets side laterals.....and call it good. 12 sets total. imho
Yesterday, I did only 6 sets with a squeeze on each rep.
-
ronnie and jay would train 5-6 days per week, jay was two times per day at his peak. HEAVY weights... 2 hours of cardio a day precontest. overtraining lol. I dont buy for one fucking minute dorian, with his obsessive personality built his physique 3 hours of training per week. no way in fuck
-
ronnie and jay would train 5-6 days per week, jay was two times per day at his peak. HEAVY weights... 2 hours of cardio a day precontest. overtraining lol. I dont buy for one fucking minute dorian, with his obsessive personality built his physique 3 hours of training per week. no way in fuck
Dorian had an "obsessive personality"? Please elaborate on this.
-
ronnie and jay would train 5-6 days per week, jay was two times per day at his peak. HEAVY weights... 2 hours of cardio a day precontest. overtraining lol. I dont buy for one fucking minute dorian, with his obsessive personality built his physique 3 hours of training per week. no way in fuck
This.
Overtraining...LOL!! Especially on gear!
Impossible to overtrain from a 40 minute delt workout...I don't care how many reps/sets you do. It's IMPOSSIBLE.
-
Agree with Wild Wille, solid advice
. Less will usually give more in development and strength. Don't want to follow the bad example of doing 22-24 sets for delts, that PrimeMuscle had been doing. Only thing you will get is tired and reduce recovery abilities, giving way to colds and other ills. Not even for young guy's in their teens and early twenty's, let along an older gentlemen, like PrimeMuscle, approaching the bad side of his 60's.
::) ::) ::) moron
-
Over training: Not impossible, but probable. Over training can be a catch phase; some can adapt more than others. But each of us has a personal limit to the stress allowed in workouts. And the full recovery time from workout to workout. If not fully recovered from the last workout, than the chance of over training is greatly increased. Making poor progress, or no progress at all, feel tired and each workout becomes more like a chore than something you are looking forward to...over training perhaps?
Giving top Pro's as an example (Coleman & Cutler), of any thing, is always a bad idea. If you were to record their every move, 24/7, you might find that it's quite different from what is printed or shown in a video on their training, foods they eat and actually workout time, and the weight used on exercises, in the gym. One true thing is that after any contest, reaching their peak BB'ing condition (which they can only hold for perhaps 3 or 4 days at the most), they are in a very poor degree of personal health...and will usually crash. Both physically and mentally.
Good Luck
-
Over training: Not impossible, but probable. Over training can be a catch phase; some can adapt more than others. But each of us has a personal limit to the stress allowed in workouts. And the full recovery time from workout to workout. If not fully recovered from the last workout, than the chance of over training is greatly increased. Making poor progress, or no progress at all, feel tired and each workout becomes more like a chore than something you are looking forward to...over training perhaps?
Giving top Pro's as an example (Coleman & Cutler), of any thing, is always a bad idea. If you were to record their every move, 24/7, you might find that it's quite different from what is printed or shown in a video on their training, foods they eat and actually workout time, and the weight used on exercises, in the gym. One true thing is that after any contest, reaching their peak BB'ing condition (which they can only hold for perhaps 3 or 4 days at the most), they are in a very poor degree of personal health...and will usually crash. Both physically and mentally.
Good Luck
???
-
Hmmmm..wonder why sexpert (AKA...donny) called Wild Wille a moron? Wild Wille always seems like an informed gentleman.
-
- wishes he was black- check
- pays welfare to a fucking guy- check
- pale, shitty skin that all the training in the world wont fix- check
-insulted me under a gimmick - check
you talk about banging women yet your afraid to even talk shit to someone online using your real handle? lol do you think your fooling anyone here?
baby steps bro ;D
well yes we all contribute to the wellfare check you collect every month to take women on a date to the dollar shop
a lot of people insult you, trust me they are not all gimmicks
you say my skin is bad but yours is smothered with stretch mark from epic roid bloating (not actual muscle growth )
-
12-15 IS ENOUGH,MODERATE WEIGHT HI REPS 10/12 SOME SUPER/TRI SETS FOR CHANGEUP WILL DO TRICK.ONE OR 2 LOW REP 6/8 SETS ON THAT GIVEN DAY GOOD FOR EGO/STRENGHT PART,PUMPING IS BEST I THINK.
-
Over training: Not impossible, but probable. Over training can be a catch phase; some can adapt more than others. But each of us has a personal limit to the stress allowed in workouts. And the full recovery time from workout to workout. If not fully recovered from the last workout, than the chance of over training is greatly increased. Making poor progress, or no progress at all, feel tired and each workout becomes more like a chore than something you are looking forward to...over training perhaps?
Giving top Pro's as an example (Coleman & Cutler), of any thing, is always a bad idea. If you were to record their every move, 24/7, you might find that it's quite different from what is printed or shown in a video on their training, foods they eat and actually workout time, and the weight used on exercises, in the gym. One true thing is that after any contest, reaching their peak BB'ing condition (which they can only hold for perhaps 3 or 4 days at the most), they are in a very poor degree of personal health...and will usually crash. Both physically and mentally.
Good Luck
I believe you have an incredibly weak immune system if a 40 minute DELT workout is maxing out your recovery abilities. I suggest you look into how adequate your nutrition is inlcuding macro and micro nutrient quantities.
-
jpm101 ;D ??? what a fool
-
jpm101 ;D ??? what a fool
I think he means well...just very misinformed/inexperienced.
-
Of course if one needs 40 minutes to work the delts, rather than frying them in a 8 to 10 minutes high intense, TUT workout, than that's their business. Less will usually prove to be more, with regards to steady progress in size and strength. But if one enjoys those marathon 40 minute delt workouts, than good for them.
A micro/macro diet, though highly important. is just one of the factors in the biochemical process of the body. A prime key is the CNS, allowing and adapting it to future stress levels that the next workout will produce (or should produce....in theory anyway). Eating meals (perhaps smaller ones, 5 to 6 times a day) has quite a bit to do with the requirement of the body's nutritional needs. That's where meal replace packs can come into play, between regular meals. Good Luck.
Side Bar: Hi sexpert (aka donny). Sorry about those personal problems of yours. Kind of cuts down on your computer time on line, I know. Might take an effort to seek professional help, if not doing so now..Good Luck.
-
Of course if one needs 40 minutes to work the delts, rather than frying them in a 8 to 10 minutes high intense, TUT workout, than that's their business. Less will usually prove to be more, with regards to steady progress in size and strength. But if one enjoys those marathon 40 minute delt workouts, than good for them.
A micro/macro diet, though highly important. is just one of the factors in the biochemical process of the body. A prime key is the CNS, allowing and adapting it to future stress levels that the next workout will produce (or should produce....in theory anyway). Eating meals (perhaps smaller ones, 5 to 6 times a day) has quite a bit to do with the requirement of the body's nutritional needs. That's where meal replace packs can come into play, between regular meals. Good Luck.
Side Bar: Hi sexpert (aka donny). Sorry about those personal problems of yours. Kind of cuts down on your computer time on line, I know. Might take an effort to seek professional help, if not doing so now..Good Luck.
you are a very Paranoid Person... really making a fool of yourself... ;D I do not need false names on here to say you are a Clown...
GOOD LUCK ;D
-
Of course if one needs 40 minutes to work the delts, rather than frying them in a 8 to 10 minutes high intense, TUT workout, than that's their business. Less will usually prove to be more, with regards to steady progress in size and strength. But if one enjoys those marathon 40 minute delt workouts, than good for them.
A micro/macro diet, though highly important. is just one of the factors in the biochemical process of the body. A prime key is the CNS, allowing and adapting it to future stress levels that the next workout will produce (or should produce....in theory anyway). Eating meals (perhaps smaller ones, 5 to 6 times a day) has quite a bit to do with the requirement of the body's nutritional needs. That's where meal replace packs can come into play, between regular meals. Good Luck.
Side Bar: Hi sexpert (aka donny). Sorry about those personal problems of yours. Kind of cuts down on your computer time on line, I know. Might take an effort to seek professional help, if not doing so now..Good Luck.
"less is more"....bullshit! We're talking bodybuilding here, not a men's fitness circuit routine.
Have you posted any pics on here? Let's have a look at your delts bro.
-
:(
-
:(
Yeah some real overtrained delts there bro ::)
-
Yeah some real overtrained delts there bro ::)
i want to get big
not stay small tit
i upped the dose to 500mg test per week (enanthate) since last sunday
-
Yeah some real overtrained delts there bro ::)
can´t believe jpm101 is trying to tell you about Training...JEEZ. I mean c´mon you back it up with your Pictures..we all know that. jpm101 is a real Clown ..where the hell does he get all his advice from? it´s like he lectures us all on what we should be doing ::) wish he would just piss off and dissolve.. ;D
-
The shape is good. I see all three heads and I don't believe they are lagging.
Up the food, down the volume.
-
can´t believe jpm101 is trying to tell you about Training...JEEZ. I mean c´mon you back it up with your Pictures..we all know that. jpm101 is a real Clown ..where the hell does he get all his advice from? it´s like he lectures us all on what we should be doing ::) wish he would just piss off and dissolve.. ;D
I just wanna see a pic of him to see how his physique backs up his training methods....not a personal thing, I'm not attacking his character. But I don't feel my methods are extreme by any means. In fact I use extremely light weights for my delt workouts, most would say I train too light.
If his delts are his sickest bodypart, than I guess you can't really argue with that.
So...Let's see the pics! :D
-
The shape is good. I see all three heads and I don't believe they are lagging.
Up the food, down the volume.
what about
3 sets seated military barbell 8-12 reps
3 sets seated dumbell press 8-12 reps
3 set bent over dumbell fly 8-12 reps
3 set standing dumbel fly 8-12 rep^s
3 set reverse pec dec machine 8-12 reps
3 sets elbow raise machine 8-12 reps
?
-
I just wanna see a pic of him to see how his physique backs up his training methods....not a personal thing, I'm not attacking his character. But I don't feel my methods are extreme by any means. In fact I use extremely light weights for my delt workouts, most would say I train too light.
Let's see the pics! :D
his Training methods are Bollocks. He thinks he knows it all. you are one of the respected guys on here who delivers the goods. I remember the tool told me to watch out cause ...Quote, "i have friends here in high places" ??? says it all. I bet he is a specky Little fag
-
his Training methods are Bollocks. He thinks he knows it all. you are one of the respected guys on here who delivers the goods. I remember the tool told me to watch out cause ...Quote, "i have friends here in high places" ??? says it all. I bet he is a specky Little fag
Oh brother....
Thanks for the kind words man :) Well, im very eager to see his pics now.
-
Oh brother....
Thanks for the kind words man :) Well, im very eager to see his pics now.
mate your wellcome.
-
Chiro Flex
Seems you are becoming a bit unsettled. Because we may differ on different approaches to training doesn't always mean one is totally right and the other totally wrong. It means we just disagree...not the end of the world. Feel free to read any of my past post....or not...to see where I'm coming from.
Less is more..of course. Why do 22-24 sets when 8 to 10 may give steady results and in a shorter period of time. There is no one true way to workout for any of us, we are all different. From my experience (and I do have quite a bit of experience...and hopefully some of it rubbed off on me), short and to the point workouts seem to give the better results than any marathon style gym time. Entering a workout with serious intent tends to give the best results...and in the shortest gym time.
Been coming to GB for a number of years now. Never have, or will I ever, post a picture or video of myself. Just my nature..kind of a private person. Respect that or not, that's your choice.
Side Bar: sexpert (aka donny) is a person troll of mine. Not sure why. Sexpert (aka donny) almost tends to have a obsession about this. And with sending me PM's. I really do hope the gentleman recovers from what ever problems he may have. Not the most honest person of GB, also.
-
Chiro Flex
Seems you are becoming a bit unsettled. Because we may differ on different approaches to training doesn't always mean one is totally right and the other totally wrong. It means we just disagree...not the end of the world. Feel free to read any of my past post....or not...to see where I'm coming from.
Less is more..of course. Why do 22-24 sets when 8 to 10 may give steady results and in a shorter period of time. There is no one true way to workout for any of us, we are all different. From my experience (and I do have quite a bit of experience...and hopefully some of it rubbed off on me), short and to the point workouts seem to give the better results than any marathon style gym time. Entering a workout with serious intent tends to give the best results...and in the shortest gym time.
Been coming to GB for a number of years now. Never have, or will I ever, post a picture or video of myself. Just my nature..kind of a private person. Respect that or not, that's your choice.
Side Bar: sexpert (aka donny) is a person troll of mine. Not sure why. Sexpert (aka donny) almost tends to have a obsession about this. And with sending me PM's. I really do hope the gentleman recovers from what ever problems he may have. Not the most honest person of GB, also.
very Paranoid. run away to your friends on here. I bet in School you were the Class sneak.
-
Imagine my surprise to find Donny trying to start shit towards jpm.... ::)
-
Chiro Flex
Seems you are becoming a bit unsettled. Because we may differ on different approaches to training doesn't always mean one is totally right and the other totally wrong. It means we just disagree...not the end of the world. Feel free to read any of my past post....or not...to see where I'm coming from.
Less is more..of course. Why do 22-24 sets when 8 to 10 may give steady results and in a shorter period of time. There is no one true way to workout for any of us, we are all different. From my experience (and I do have quite a bit of experience...and hopefully some of it rubbed off on me), short and to the point workouts seem to give the better results than any marathon style gym time. Entering a workout with serious intent tends to give the best results...and in the shortest gym time.
Been coming to GB for a number of years now. Never have, or will I ever, post a picture or video of myself. Just my nature..kind of a private person. Respect that or not, that's your choice.
Side Bar: sexpert (aka donny) is a person troll of mine. Not sure why. Sexpert (aka donny) almost tends to have a obsession about this. And with sending me PM's. I really do hope the gentleman recovers from what ever problems he may have. Not the most honest person of GB, also.
Without a picture you have zero credibility then bro. Nothing personal, but nobody should take advice from you without a picture posted (with your head blacked out). Sorry, but that's all that matters.
-
Imagine my surprise to find Donny trying to start shit towards jpm.... ::)
mate he runs to you all the time... you his Bodyguard or what...? plus he started on me ..like i give a fuck what you think
-
what about
3 sets seated military barbell 8-12 reps
3 sets seated dumbell press 8-12 reps
3 set bent over dumbell fly 8-12 reps
3 set standing dumbel fly 8-12 rep^s
3 set reverse pec dec machine 8-12 reps
3 sets elbow raise machine 8-12 reps
?
The total volume depends on factors like intensity, frequency (times you train a bodypart in a week) and your recovery, so it's hard to say those 18 sets are suitable. I believe it's too much, but again, it all depends...
Regarding your exercises, I believe there's no need to perform more than 3 exercises. 1 exercise for each head (anterior, posterior & lateral) should do the job.
Some suggestions (just pick one per delt part)
Anterior: Front presses (BB, DB or machine), front raises (cable, BB, DB or a plate), etc.
Posteror: rear delt raises (cable, DB or machine), high pulls, etc.
Lateral: side raises (cable, DB or machine), wide grip upright rows, etc
Oh, and keep a log book, in order to monitor your schedule (exercises, sets, reps, weights, recovery)
Hope this helps!
-
what about
3 sets seated military barbell 8-12 reps
3 sets seated dumbell press 8-12 reps
3 set bent over dumbell fly 8-12 reps
3 set standing dumbel fly 8-12 rep^s
3 set reverse pec dec machine 8-12 reps
3 sets elbow raise machine 8-12 reps
?
drop the overhead pressing, coz you get enough front delt work when training chest (that's if you bench and dip, which you should)
focus on laterals, and wide grip upright rows and do just a bit of rear delt work (and not much is needed if you already do rows, coz them rows give the rear delts lots of work)
-
Well, you said you're natural? Then yes, no matter how much whey protein and all those crap supplements you take and no matter how hard you train, your delts aren't gonna pop.
Huge delts, huge traps = sign of AAs usage.
-
Well, you said you're natural? Then yes, no matter how much whey protein and all those crap supplements you take and no matter how hard you train, your delts aren't gonna pop.
Huge delts, huge traps = sign of AAs usage.
HE PINS!!!
-
mate he runs to you all the time... you his Bodyguard or what...? plus he started on me ..like i give a fuck what you think
You're a shitty person always looking to start with jpm cause his opinion is different than yours, if you don't like it fuck off to a different board. Nobody wants your bitch ass drama here.
-
You're a shitty person always looking to start with jpm cause his opinion is different than yours, if you don't like it fuck off to a different board. Nobody wants your bitch ass drama here.
go fuck my ass you freak
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=488625.0;attach=531435;image)
-
You're a shitty person always looking to start with jpm cause his opinion is different than yours, if you don't like it fuck off to a different board. Nobody wants your bitch ass drama here.
This doesn't sound like the G&O Chaos... ???
-
go fuck my ass you freak
Are you drunk?
-
Are you drunk?
have you a brain in your egg head ?
-
This doesn't sound like the G&O Chaos... ???
he has a Thing going with jpm.. he is his big brother, fucking Freak twins
-
This doesn't sound like the G&O Chaos... ???
When in Rome... son. ;)
Donny, quite honestly I don't think you're mature enough for adult conversation here, maybe you'd be better suited posting in another area until you are a bit older and more civilized?
-
When in Rome... son. ;)
;)
-
When in Rome... son. ;)
Donny, quite honestly I don't think you're mature enough for adult conversation here, maybe you'd be better suited posting in another area until you are a bit older and more civilized?
oh OK, a Freak like you can write what he wants and when you get told to fuck off you cry.
-
oh OK, a Freak like you can write what he wants and when you get told to fuck off you cry.
Are you this big of a whiner in real life?
-
Donny is a dumb ass fag, no doubt.
-
Donny is a dumb ass fag, no doubt.
with a Name like Psychopath you got me scared big man ???
-
Are you this big of a whiner in real life?
insecure because People stare at your deformed head?
-
Well, you said you're natural?
what the fuck
i talk about steroids all the fuckiong time
-
lol
nice try stud
where's your pic ???
-
Bolsheviks have wide shoulders.
-
:(
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=488625.0;attach=531757)
Someone is in desperate need of some sunshine.
-
Chiro Flex:
If picture are the only thing thing that matters, than OK, I can respect your limited view. But you being a gear head, your advise will have much to be desired. Take 2 or 3 weeks away from 'roids(or whatever) and working out and tell us all how much you muscles lose size and tone. Sound like your one of those dainty light weight super pump guy's, thinking that a good pump means added muscle size...wrong!
Never was about my delts (good Samoan genetics) in the first place. But I have no problem with complete shoulder mass. Or shoulder width.
Side Bar:
Donny (aka sexpert) has emotional problems . Tends to still act like a little baby. The being drunk, most of the time, doesn't help one bit. Holding onto a regular job is another problem with the him. Believe English is his second language, so not really sure where he is from. Wish him well in this time of his personal crisis.
Have never contacted Chaos, Ron or any other mod about donny. I understand his being unbalanced, so can only take pity on poor little donny.
-
Side Bar:
Donny (aka sexpert) has emotional problems . Tends to still act like a little baby. The being drunk, most of the time, doesn't help one bit. Holding onto a regular job is another problem with the him. Believe English is his second language, so not really sure where he is from. Wish him well in this time of his personal crisis.
Have never contacted Chaos, Ron or any other mod about donny. I understand his being unbalanced, so can only take pity on poor little donny.
You seem to have a real problem with talking shit about people you likely don't know anything about.
I am pretty sure Donny doesn't need or want your pity, so save it for yourself because no one is likely to take the time to pity you despite that you are a pathetic jerk.
-
jail pail
-
Someone is in desperate need of some sunshine.
i stay out of the sun always
going for the dennis wolf look
-
You seem to have a real problem with talking shit about people you likely don't know anything about.
I am pretty sure Donny doesn't need or want your pity, so save it for yourself because no one is likely to take the time to pity you despite that you are a pathetic jerk.
Hmmmm and now donnys butt buddy jumps on jpm. Real good example this senor citizen is setting. ::)
-
Hmmmm and now donnys butt buddy jumps on jpm. Real good example this senor citizen is setting. ::)
strength in numbers
-
strength in numbers
Well, prime being in his 70's and Donny in his 50's I fogure maybe it's some sort of father/son type e-relationship?
-
Well, prime being in his 70's and Donny in his 50's I fogure maybe it's some sort of father/son type e-relationship?
prime is in his 60s. over the years they have formed some kind of a quasi bouyant bond
-
Well, prime being in his 70's and Donny in his 50's I fogure maybe it's some sort of father/son type e-relationship?
Chaos you and jpm101 should go back to the freak show where you belong.
-
Chiro Flex:
If picture are the only thing thing that matters, than OK, I can respect your limited view. But you being a gear head, your advise will have much to be desired. Take 2 or 3 weeks away from 'roids(or whatever) and working out and tell us all how much you muscles lose size and tone. Sound like your one of those dainty light weight super pump guy's, thinking that a good pump means added muscle size...wrong!
Never was about my delts (good Samoan genetics) in the first place. But I have no problem with complete shoulder mass. Or shoulder width.
Side Bar:
Donny (aka sexpert) has emotional problems . Tends to still act like a little baby. The being drunk, most of the time, doesn't help one bit. Holding onto a regular job is another problem with the him. Believe English is his second language, so not really sure where he is from. Wish him well in this time of his personal crisis.
Have never contacted Chaos, Ron or any other mod about donny. I understand his being unbalanced, so can only take pity on poor little donny.
internet expert ..what a tool. So when are you two freaks getting married? ::) is your head freaky like big bad chaos?
-
i stay out of the sun always
going for the dennis wolf look
I've read and heard that the sun can damage one's skin, including causing some people to have cancer. It is also true that we need vitamin D which is what you get from the sun. So if you are a "vampire" you are probably vitamin D deficient. Thought you might want to know this.
-
Chaos must have a head like a boiled egg in the sun...hard boiled because he is dumb as fuck
-
Some of you have quite the imagination. Clearly, you have no friends nor would you defend them if you did. Just goes to show what a sad, sad life some of you have.
I think Donny's a great guy. Next time my wife and I are in Germany, it would be great to connect with he and his wife. You know, like most normal folks do. Maybe go out to dinner or something. The fact that some of you will make sport of this is quite simply pathetic.
-
True Jay...to think chaos is a mod here :o...just a Mongol.deformation causes deep scars ...maybe why he started training.
-
So pathetic to watch two bitter old geezers coddling each others nuts.
If you don't like jpm's advice, skip over it. And if you continually persist maybe you should fuck off this board altogether.
:)
-
So pathetic to watch two bitter old geezers coddling each others nuts.
If you don't like jpm's advice, skip over it. And if you continually persist maybe you should fuck off this board altogether.
:)
chaos dos a good job with moderation here no matter what Clavin says.
-
chaos dos a good job with moderation here no matter what Clavin says.
Clavin gets drunk on fruity drinks with umbrellas in them.
-
Chiro Flex:
If picture are the only thing thing that matters, than OK, I can respect your limited view. But you being a gear head, your advise will have much to be desired. Take 2 or 3 weeks away from 'roids(or whatever) and working out and tell us all how much you muscles lose size and tone. Sound like your one of those dainty light weight super pump guy's, thinking that a good pump means added muscle size...wrong!
Never was about my delts (good Samoan genetics) in the first place. But I have no problem with complete shoulder mass. Or shoulder width.
Side Bar:
Donny (aka sexpert) has emotional problems . Tends to still act like a little baby. The being drunk, most of the time, doesn't help one bit. Holding onto a regular job is another problem with the him. Believe English is his second language, so not really sure where he is from. Wish him well in this time of his personal crisis.
Have never contacted Chaos, Ron or any other mod about donny. I understand his being unbalanced, so can only take pity on poor little donny.
Lol, nice try. My avatar pic is 1 week after my first show, age 23, 100% natty. I'm 5'10, 173 lbs there....bloated as fuck on pizza and ice cream. Bodybuilding is an illusion. ;) Admittedly another week after the pic I was 190lbs and looked small, bloated, and fat :(
So anyways you lose this argument....unless you pony up and post a pic of these wicked delts you're walking around with.
Nobody cares about your internets claims...we've had enough faceless keyboard warriors on this site. Time to back up your argument with some pics. If you have better delts than me I will issue a public apology :D
-
Lol, nice try. My avatar pic is 1 week after my first show, age 23, 100% natty. I'm 5'10, 173 lbs there....bloated as fuck on pizza and ice cream. Bodybuilding is an illusion. ;) Admittedly another week after the pic I was 190lbs and looked small and flat again :(
So anyways you lose this argument....unless you pony up and post a pic of these wicked delts you're walking around with.
saw full size pic look bigger than 173 ,good frame wide delts to good taper ,more pecs and your good to go.delts can and should have some heavy type lo rep and mix in some higher rep,superset stuff and a good fast moving pumping sets 'run the rack 'on side laterals.
-
saw full size pic look bigger than 173 ,good frame wide delts to good taper ,more pecs and your good to go.delts can and should have some heavy type lo rep and mix in some higher rep,superset stuff and a good fast moving pumping sets 'run the rack 'on side laterals.
Thanks bro 8)
I was low 160s on stage and stringy/emaciated as fuck! But the week after (my avatar pic) was magic. Had pizza 7 nights straight. Most painful pumps in the gym I've ever experienced. And this was all while I was natty, before I even touched gear. Like I said, when I was 190 a few weeks after, I looks so much smaller even though I gained nearly 20lbs of water and glycogen. Lost all my cuts and separation. People see my avatar pic and scream steroids, even though I was still a natty back then. Cracks me up because if they only knew how scrawny I was in real life there....I just got a good pic at the right time.
-
I'm going to be forced to move this to the g&o aren't I? Since some people can't have a civilized discussion.
-
I'm going to be forced to move this to the g&o aren't I? Since some people can't have a civilized discussion.
Just a couple of gentlemen comparing dick delt sizes here, nothing to see, move along sir :D
-
So pathetic to watch two bitter old geezers coddling each others nuts.
If you don't like jpm's advice, skip over it. And if you continually persist maybe you should fuck off this board altogether.
:)
Is this your sage advice?
Clearly intelligence is not a prerequisite to be a moderator on Getbig. If it were, you'd be searching for something else to do with your pathetic life.
-
Is this your sage advice?
Clearly intelligence is not a prerequisite to be a moderator on Getbig. If it were, you'd be searching for something else to do with your pathetic life.
ahahahahahaha!
-
chaos dos a good job with moderation here no matter what Clavin says.
matter of opinion mr pea brain
-
I know things are a bit tense in this thread, but hot damn, it's good to see some passion and people getting fired up over a training thread. This corner of the board could use a bit of that 8)
-
Clavin gets drunk on fruity drinks with umbrellas in them.
mate I feel sorry for you being so ugly and so stupid. You look like a freak retard. Every morning you have to look at yourself...people must stare at you everyday. Unlike you I get compliments. For 40 you look bad bro...if I was you I would shut up. Think because your big bad freak chaos mod you can mouth off boy ? Your are ugly face it. Hide in your little gym you Mongol.
-
I know things are a bit tense in this thread, but hot damn, it's good to see some passion and people getting fired up over a training thread. This corner of the board could use a bit of that 8)
yes I am enjoying the weak arguments here. I take it Jpms friend in high places is chaos....funny..like I give a fuck ;D
-
jpm101 ;D
-
I'm going to be forced to move this to the g&o aren't I? Since some people can't have a civilized discussion.
Thread is started by A'halo, so it's mainly 'entertainment' anyway.
-
Chaos..... ;D
-
i stay out of the sun always
going for the dennis wolf look
;D
-
I'd be willing to bet jpm could outlift yellowtooth and his sugardaddy the creepy old cocksmoker.
-
Actually I think this stuff is not to be taken seriously. If donny/sexpert, Primemuscle or any one else get's too carried away, that's funny to me. Some guy's may feel threaten and over react, but I have a laid back nature..
The reasons I started the JPM Dump thread, some where on this training board, was for people who might want to vent their rage....OK with me, have at it. Can always get a good judge of people by the way they respond to stress and to others....and the words they choose. Usually their own fears, through their anger, spilled out. Also their personal unhappiness.
Now if I were to meet some of these people in person, I'm sure they would act in a normal and friendly way. We're having a tribal BBQ soon and there is always a big Talofa..Afio Mai for everyone. Just thinking of donny/sexpert and Primemuscle, lost in all those big people is also kind of funny.
As Chaos said, if not agreeing than just never read any of my post...simple.
Still not sure why donny/sexpert trolls after just about every thing I post, but if it gives him satisfaction......whatev er.
-
hey weirdo Freak you like Tattoos? here is one for ya.... ;D
-
Actually I think this stuff is not to be taken seriously. If donny/sexpert, Primemuscle or any one else get's too carried away, that's funny to me. Some guy's may feel threaten and over react, but I have a laid back nature..
The reasons I started the JPM Dump thread, some where on this training board, was for people who might want to vent their rage....OK with me, have at it. Can always get a good judge of people by the way they respond to stress and to others....and the words they choose. Usually their own fears, through their anger, spilled out. Also their personal unhappiness.
Now if I were to meet some of these people in person, I'm sure they would act in a normal and friendly way. We're having a tribal BBQ soon and there is always a big Talofa..Afio Mai for everyone. Just thinking of donny/sexpert and Primemuscle, lost in all those big people is also kind of funny.
As Chaos said, if not agreeing than just never read any of my post...simple.
Still not sure why donny/sexpert trolls after just about every thing I post, but if it gives him satisfaction......whatev er.
jpm your a warrior? big Talofa...Afio Mai ? you are about as hard as my first shit. Listen you and your Freak Buddy are just two mongrols.
-
Big warrior goes running to fucking egg head and thinks we give a fuck...what is that Freak going to do? pair of clowns
-
freak Comes from Peru...Looks just like his head
-
jpm101 ;D
NICE FLOWER,,,
-
I've read and heard that the sun can damage one's skin, including causing some people to have cancer. It is also true that we need vitamin D which is what you get from the sun. So if you are a "vampire" you are probably vitamin D deficient. Thought you might want to know this.
i'd rather have vitamin defiency than cancer
-
NICE FLOWER,,,
yes.. this is how i Picture the waste of Oxygen...
-
i'd rather have vitamin defiency than cancer
..or a Freak head...
-
so have you come up with a delt workout yet ahalo?
-
so have you come up with a delt workout yet ahalo?
i think i will just do
5 set military press
5 set rear delt raise
5 set side delt raise
5 set rear delt raise machine
5 set side delt raise machine
-
i think i will just do
5 set military press
5 set rear delt raise
5 set side delt raise
5 set rear delt raise machine
5 set side delt raise machine
all 5 sets til failure?
-
i think i will just do
5 set military press
5 set rear delt raise
5 set side delt raise
5 set rear delt raise machine
5 set side delt raise machine
IF MY MULTIPLICATION TABLE WORKS I SEE....5/10/15/20/25 SETS :o
-
i would not do dB side raises and machine side raises each workout but alternate, same goes for rear delts. can still do enough volume with fewer exercises but i think about 12-15 sets is plenty.
-
all 5 sets til failure?
pretyy much
-
superset,tri -set and work fast on shoulders. They are stimulated hard on chest and even back days..parallel bar Dips really hit my delts. really try to feel them and pump them up. you can fuck around for 30 mins in the Gym or work fast and concentrate. nothing wrong with a bit of volume.
-
IF MY MULTIPLICATION TABLE WORKS I SEE....5/10/15/20/25 SETS :o
Thread is 10 pages long, most of us told he does way too much volume, and what's the result? He won't take any advice from us, so I can only conclude that this thread is for entertainment purpose. It should be placed in the G&O section. Lots of words, nothing learned :-\
-
pretyy much
rough
but if you can make gains on it, then more power to ya brother
-
rough
but if you can make gains on it, then more power to ya brother
if i cant i will just quit bb
-
i would not do dB side raises and machine side raises each workout but alternate, same goes for rear delts. can still do enough volume with fewer exercises but i think about 12-15 sets is plenty.
::)
-
::)
fucking freak
-
i would not do dB side raises and machine side raises each workout but alternate, same goes for rear delts. can still do enough volume with fewer exercises but i think about 12-15 sets is plenty.
solid advice
it is so then
-
fucking freak
Sissy boy. Look at you melt, like a cupcake flavored lollipop. :-*
-
Sissy boy. Look at you melt, like a cupcake flavored lollipop. :-*
mate.. i am reeling you in like a fish...
-
Actually I think this stuff is not to be taken seriously. If donny/sexpert, Primemuscle or any one else get's too carried away, that's funny to me. Some guy's may feel threaten and over react, but I have a laid back nature..
The reasons I started the JPM Dump thread, some where on this training board, was for people who might want to vent their rage....OK with me, have at it. Can always get a good judge of people by the way they respond to stress and to others....and the words they choose. Usually their own fears, through their anger, spilled out. Also their personal unhappiness.
Now if I were to meet some of these people in person, I'm sure they would act in a normal and friendly way. We're having a tribal BBQ soon and there is always a big Talofa..Afio Mai for everyone. Just thinking of donny/sexpert and Primemuscle, lost in all those big people is also kind of funny.
As Chaos said, if not agreeing than just never read any of my post...simple.
Still not sure why donny/sexpert trolls after just about every thing I post, but if it gives him satisfaction......whatev er.
Didn't read LOL....post a pic.
-
yeah i wanna see this big Warrior.. fucking shitting my Pants ;D
-
I give good head That is all.
Groundbreaking stuff, you must be a GH15 hugganaut ::)
-
Groundbreaking stuff, you must be a GH15 hugganaut ::)
Yes, riveting first post.
-
mate.. i am reeling you in like a fish...
You're having a geriatric fit. ::)
-
You're having a geriatric fit. ::)
you are 40 yourself.. middle Age crisis? take it like a man egg head.
-
you are 40 yourself.. middle Age crisis? take it like a man egg head.
Take what? Your incessant whining and sniveling?
-
So....how's everyone's deltoid training going lately?
I plan to train mine today. One must have those "broad shoulders" to be able to weather the onslaught of shit posting going on here lately. ;D
-
Hit mine tomorrow, don't count sets or reps.
-
Hit mine tomorrow, don't count sets or reps.
So, do you just train them until you feel a good pump and some burn in them?
-
Hit mine tomorrow, don't count sets or reps.
ME TOO 2 NITE..
-
Take what? Your incessant whining and sniveling?
for one time in your life be a man. take a beating big MOD ;D hard to swallow i know ... :'(
-
i did a back and bicep workout just now
3x8-10 rep pronated 45° barbell row to the hips (90kg)
3x8-10 supinated 90° barbell row to the hips (60kg)
3x8-10 pronated wide grip pull down (80kg 70kg 60kg)
3x8-10 supinated narrow grip pull down (80kg)
3x8-10 barbell shrug 8-12 reps (100kg) (no straps) (for the grip of death)
3x8-10dumbell curl (20kg 18kg 16kg)
3x8-10 "pinnwheel/hammer" dumbel curl (16kg)
3x8-10 preacher curl machine (25kg??) superset with wrist extention with little bitch barbell 3x10 reps for the forearms extensors
PLEASE ADVISE
I WANT TO GET HUGE and majestically proportioned
-
try some weighted chins
i did them the other day and i jacked out 6 good reps with 45 pounds added round my waist 8)
-
try some weighted chins
i did them the other day and i jacked out 6 good reps with 45 pounds added round my waist 8)
Weak. When can go to 50?
-
Weak. When can go to 50?
yeah man, i am a weak fucking punkass lol
but like you advised i should try the 65 pounds dumbbell next time, which i'll give a try, and maybe i'll get a triple out of it
the max bell at my gym is 50 kg (110 pounds) so hopefully one day i'll be able to strap that bitch on and get a good 5 or 6 reps with it 8)
and on a side note, can you believe that back in the day, Casey V strapped on 300 pounds and did that for reps on the dips :o
-
yeah man, i am a weak fucking punkass lol
but like you advised i should try the 65 pounds dumbbell next time, which i'll give a try, and maybe i'll get a triple out of it
the max bell at my gym is 50 kg (110 pounds) so hopefully one day i'll be able to strap that bitch on and get a good 5 or 6 reps with it 8)
and on a side note, can you believe that back in the day, Casey V strapped on 300 pounds and did that for reps on the dips :o
A strong mofo was Casey.
-
for one time in your life be a man. take a beating big MOD ;D hard to swallow i know ... :'(
I can't be beaten by a no frosting cupcake lollipopper like you. :-*
-
PLEASE ADVISE
Too late for that, you refuse to read and learn.
-
Speaking of delts, think of Marvin Eder
A) DB crucifix lift(lateral raise) with a pair of 100'ers ..hold of 2 seconds
B) overheard press of 340, at 198 lb bwt.
C) DB side press of 120lbs for 50 reps
Also
D) a 435 lb dip
E) straight arm pullover of 210
F) DB side press of 120 for 50 reps
G) pull-ups, wide grip for 80 reps
H) one arm chin (weight was added, not sure how much)
I) two hand pullup, a bit above 200lbs added...uppper chest touched the bar
If you wish, would someone read this to chiro flex...he's not reading anything I write ...wants my picture first. Too bad I never was a BB'ers, just a heavy lifter, so not doing the ego thing with a pic....sorry.
Good Luck
-
so every one here has there own tried and true delt program next.....
-
so every one here has there own tried and true delt program next.....
Isn't it that way for every body part?
-
Isn't it that way for every body part?
yeah,i'm saying move on to next argument either way jpm/donny will keep it going...
-
yeah,i'm saying move on to next argument either way jpm/donny will keep it going...
What are you hitting tomorrow?
-
Wow.
Anabolichalos posts are actually some of the more intelligent in this thread, what a mess
Remember that your delts can take a ton of punishment but your shoulder joint in general cannot, and the more you abuse it the more likely something will break in time.
Heres what I did for my last "delt" workout 50,60,70,80 lb DBS for slow squeezing sets of ten on the seated press
Then super light, partial rom laterals for a million sets, only using the side delts, moving in the scapular plane
Some LIGHT cable one arm presses, then cable rear delts
And I won't do delts again for a few weeks apart from some light pump work after chest on "press" day
Then rear delts
-
Speaking of delts, think of Marvin Eder
A) DB crucifix lift(lateral raise) with a pair of 100'ers ..hold of 2 seconds
B) overheard press of 340, at 198 lb bwt.
C) DB side press of 120lbs for 50 reps
Also
D) a 435 lb dip
E) straight arm pullover of 210
F) DB side press of 120 for 50 reps
G) pull-ups, wide grip for 80 reps
H) one arm chin (weight was added, not sure how much)
I) two hand pullup, a bit above 200lbs added...uppper chest touched the bar
If you wish, would someone read this to chiro flex...he's not reading anything I write ...wants my picture first. Too bad I never was a BB'ers, just a heavy lifter, so not doing the ego thing with a pic....sorry.
Good Luck
I just thought your training philosophy for delts was stupid....I never thought YOU were stupid.
Sorry if things got heated pal, no hard feelings I hope...this is serious business afterall :D
-
I can't be beaten by a no frosting cupcake lollipopper like you. :-*
mate..you will get a Job here... ;D
-
I just thought your training philosophy for delts was stupid....I never thought YOU were stupid.
Sorry if things got heated pal, no hard feelings I hope...this is serious business afterall :D
he did post a Picture, just not here but on another Forum. not sure who posted it but i remember a picture of him with his face blanked out. looked like a Little weed. His credability went down the tube...what a fool he is.
-
Donny, you're embarrassing yourself here, just stop. :-\
-
Donny, you're embarrassing yourself here, just stop. :-\
you're embarrassed every Day Walking down the street
-
You're bad at this.
-
You're bad at this.
don't know big big Boy...you are biting ;)
-
Children, don't forget your anabolic windows!
-
Children, don't forget your anabolic windows!
;D mate it´s all just getbig fun ... ;D
-
Chiro Flex
OK, but one lifters training philosophy might be considered stupid & ill advises, and to another person a gold mine of information and physical results. Not one of us is created equal in the way our bodies respond to training. Have to try just about anything and everything (at least for a little while) and see how we respond to it. I really can't be too harsh on any training method until I talk to others about their results, or try it myself. Others may have their personal crusade on their way and method..but than again, to each his own.
I love lifting heavy; power rack/cage, pin settings, short range overloads,heavy/light/wave, etc. Also like doing 8X8's and a personal favorite, GVT. Done 20 rep breathing squats (excellent) and high rep squat cleans, hi-pulls, etc, etc, etc.. From time to time, I do SS's, tri sets and quad sets , which are more true BB'ing. Usually a workout cycle, for me, is between 8 to 12 weeks, than on to something else. Not a boast, but my genetics are fairly good at making steady progress on most of the stuff I do. (started serious training at 16 and never have used any chemical engineering).
Never have any hard feeling about anything....it's the internet, which is more like a make believe world. Don't have any bad intentions against donny or anyone. Though donny has the right to embarrass himself totally, on a daily bases. Good Luck
Side Bar: why would donny say I posted a picture when I never have? Being dishonest again, seems to be a part of donny's nature..too bad.
-
Chiro Flex
OK, but one lifters training philosophy might be considered stupid & ill advises, and to another person a gold mine of information and physical results. Not one of us is created equal in the way our bodies respond to training. Have to try just about anything and everything (at least for a little while) and see how we respond to it. I really can't be too harsh on any training method until I talk to others about their results, or try it myself. Others may have their personal crusade on their way and method..but than again, to each his own.
I love lifting heavy; power rack/cage, pin settings, short range overloads,heavy/light/wave, etc. Also like doing 8X8's and a personal favorite, GVT. Done 20 rep breathing squats (excellent) and high rep squat cleans, hi-pulls, etc, etc, etc.. From time to time, I do SS's, tri sets and quad sets , which are more true BB'ing. Usually a workout cycle, for me, is between 8 to 12 weeks, than on to something else. Not a boast, but my genetics are fairly good at making steady progress on most of the stuff I do. (started serious training at 16 and never have used any chemical engineering).
Never have any hard feeling about anything....it's the internet, which is more like a make believe world. Don't have any bad intentions against donny or anyone. Though donny has the right to embarrass himself totally, on a daily bases.
Good Luck
mate if i was you i would go and crawl back in your hole. The Picture posted of you exposed who you are... a Clown. more muscle on a Butchers pencil... we saw your good Genetics ???
-
Children, don't forget your anabolic windows!
anabolic window is real
-
anabolic window is real
Yes, and I'm gonna bulk cook 10 meals right now!
-
Yes, and I'm gonna bulk cook 10 meals right now!
or stay a small tit like me
-
don't know big big Boy...you are biting ;)
::)
Weaker than a popcorn fart.
-
Can you find a hat that fits that dome of yours? Must be like having big feet. :-\
-
Can you find a hat that fits that dome of yours? Must be like having big feet. :-\
You wouldn't know, being the little bitch you are. :)
-
You wouldn't know, being the little bitch you are. :)
your egg head is boiling bro....getting upset .... :-*
-
I just complete my first delt workouit since making this advice thread
i implemented it in my routine
i did
4x8-10 military press barbell seated
4x10-12 rear delt raises dumbell chest on shallow incline bench
4x10-12 side laterals dumbells
finish go home
i hope you guys arent trolling me, it seems low volume
delts look like this today (after coming back from gymnasium)
getbig principles kicking in
praying to jehova for the gains
-
I just complete my first delt workouit since making this advice thread
i implemented it in my routine
i did
4x8-10 military press barbell seated
4x10-12 rear delt raises dumbell chest on shallow incline bench
4x10-12 side laterals dumbells
finish go home
i hope you guys arent trolling me, it seems low volume
delts look like this today (after coming back from gymnasium)
getbig principles kicking in
praying to jehova for the gains
Donny just orgasmed.
-
I just complete my first delt workouit since making this advice thread
i implemented it in my routine
i did
4x8-10 military press barbell seated
4x10-12 rear delt raises dumbell chest on shallow incline bench
4x10-12 side laterals dumbells
finish go home
i hope you guys arent trolling me, it seems low volume
delts look like this today (after coming back from gymnasium)
getbig principles kicking in
praying to jehova for the gains
not bad....lot of acne from test..no vascularity pretty lean and good rear db pose...
-
I just complete my first delt workouit since making this advice thread
i implemented it in my routine
i did
4x8-10 military press barbell seated
4x10-12 rear delt raises dumbell chest on shallow incline bench
4x10-12 side laterals dumbells
finish go home
i hope you guys arent trolling me, it seems low volume
delts look like this today (after coming back from gymnasium)
getbig principles kicking in
praying to jehova for the gains
you're leaner than i thought you were dude, i'd put you @ 8-9%
and 12 sets til failure is much better than 25 sets til failure
how often do you train delts?
-
you're leaner than i thought you were dude, i'd put you @ 8-9%
and 12 sets til failure is much better than 25 sets til failure
how often do you train delts?
I say we got to get up around 57-59 sets of deltoid work.
-
I say we got to get up around 57-59 sets of deltoid work.
well dude, like Mentzer said "not more is better and not less is better, but precise is best"
-
you're leaner than i thought you were dude, i'd put you @ 8-9%
and 12 sets til failure is much better than 25 sets til failure
how often do you train delts?
i'm not that lean bro i'm just a master ful self photographer
relaxed from the side i have a gut
-
I just complete my first delt workouit since making this advice thread
i implemented it in my routine
i did
4x8-10 military press barbell seated
4x10-12 rear delt raises dumbell chest on shallow incline bench
4x10-12 side laterals dumbells
finish go home
i hope you guys arent trolling me, it seems low volume
delts look like this today (after coming back from gymnasium)
getbig principles kicking in
praying to jehova for the gains
NOW you're on the right track, 1 exercise for each head should do the job.
-
More sets less sets is all bullshit,hormones in the blood and forty minutes of intense stimulation is all that the muscle needs to grow lots of good foods,no crappy supplements. Egg whites for protein,save your money on overpriced whey bullshit. Pleas some pro on this site step up and tell these kids the real deal.
whey protein is superior to egg whites and whole eggs are superior to all of them
-
whey protein is superior to egg whites and whole eggs are superior to all of them
you are correct sir,but for young kids on a budget I always tell them to go with egg whites,cheap and easy to drink on the go. The price of whey is outrageous.That said most of my protein comes from good old solid eggs.
-
NOW you're on the right track, 1 exercise for each head should do the job.
ok i hope you fellas are right
hoping for the best
-
Wow.
Anabolichalos posts are actually some of the more intelligent in this thread, what a mess
Remember that your delts can take a ton of punishment but your shoulder joint in general cannot, and the more you abuse it the more likely something will break in time.
Heres what I did for my last "delt" workout 50,60,70,80 lb DBS for slow squeezing sets of ten on the seated press
Then super light, partial rom laterals for a million sets, only using the side delts, moving in the scapular plane
Some LIGHT cable one arm presses, then cable rear delts
And I won't do delts again for a few weeks apart from some light pump work after chest on "press" day
Then rear delts
do those presses standing like a real man.
yes delts must be hit hard and quickly with brief warm up, and make sure not to over work pinion
-
do those presses standing like a real man.
yes delts must be hit hard and quickly with brief warm up, and make sure not to over work pinion
few people can do standing presses without a severe risk to the spine
most think they are "real men" of course when doing them but then when the spine say snap they are gone
-
few people can do standing presses without a severe risk to the spine
most think they are "real men" of course when doing them but then when the spine say snap they are gone
OK.
is the spine at risk even when doing them properly?
-
do this and delts grow simple be a man
-
OK.
is the spine at risk even when doing them properly?
i think it can be done fairly safe IF the ego can be overcome by reason which is very unlikely for meatheads
-
i think it can be done fairly safe IF the ego can be overcome by reason which is very unlikely for meatheads
i was going to disagree with this till i read the end there is absolutely no compromising with meatheadedness
-
i was going to disagree with this till i read the end there is absolutely no compromising with meatheadedness
a viscious pattern of unrepentant stupidity and ego lifting
see branch warren
-
a viscious pattern of unrepentant stupidity and ego lifting
see branch warren
he thanks god and vitamin b12 for not being in a wheelchair
-
he thanks god and vitamin b12 for not being in a wheelchair
brian dobson is a teacher with itching ears
he pretends to be some sort of evangelist
but at the same time he's guiding people down a path of severe drug abuse
the book of romans says christians must conform to the laws of the land
and since steroids are illegal drugs i think this is a fairly obvious flaw in the false docrtrine of brrian dobson
-
do this and delts grow simple be a man
it's well documented standing dumbel preses are excellent
how could i forget this
gonna start them again soon
-
it's well documented standing dumbel preses are excellent
how could i forget this
gonna start them again soon
good man
-
brian dobson is a teacher with itching ears
he pretends to be some sort of evangelist
but at the same time he's guiding people down a path of severe drug abuse
the book of romans says christians must conform to the laws of the land
and since steroids are illegal drugs i think this is a fairly obvious flaw in the false docrtrine of brrian dobson
branch and dobson are seriously delusional , verry confused people, typical neo cons
-
Today my "delt" wo was laterals with 20 lbs followed by standing cable presses ..... with 50lbs an arm
Serious bizness
-
Today my "delt" wo was laterals with 20 lbs followed by standing cable presses ..... with 50lbs an arm
Serious bizness
Awesome bro 8)
Did delts yesterday: 5, triple drop sets of laterals going 20lbs, 10lbs, then 5lbs. Then 5 supersets of rear delt flyes + standing DB presses using 45lb dbells.
Serious bizness for a 25 min delt workout.
-
That's how we roll, hardcore till we die
I also went from 10s to 15 s to 20s, on laterals , alternating arms and taking no rest. Then cable pressing and some light rear delts with a band ( face pulls ). Delts felt ready to pop.. But some ugly twinges in my bicep tendon at the shoulder worried me so I called it there
25 mins sounds about right
Before that I did chest, 160 DBS for paused incline presses, then the 100s for two set of 18-20, then 10x10 hammer incline with light weight then ring trx push-ups to finish. Then delts, then tris
-
That's how we roll, hardcore till we die
I also went from 10s to 15 s to 20s, on laterals , alternating arms and taking no rest. Then cable pressing and some light rear delts with a band ( face pulls ). Delts felt ready to pop.. But some ugly twinges in my bicep tendon at the shoulder worried me so I called it there
25 mins sounds about right
Before that I did chest, 160 DBS for paused incline presses, then the 100s for two set of 18-20, then 10x10 hammer incline with light weight then ring trx push-ups to finish. Then delts, then tris
Lol that's how it's done!
We could train together in real life (no homo.) 8)
-
That's how we roll, hardcore till we die
I also went from 10s to 15 s to 20s, on laterals , alternating arms and taking no rest. Then cable pressing and some light rear delts with a band ( face pulls ). Delts felt ready to pop.. But some ugly twinges in my bicep tendon at the shoulder worried me so I called it there
25 mins sounds about right
Before that I did chest, 160 DBS for paused incline presses, then the 100s for two set of 18-20, then 10x10 hammer incline with light weight then ring trx push-ups to finish. Then delts, then tris
shit 160s, u must be huge
-
shit 160s, u must be huge
And 20# laterals.....
-
And 20# laterals.....
odd indeed
-
That's a typo, it's 120lbs lateral raises, almost matching those 160 lbs DB inclines. Throwing in 10X10's (GVT) in the same workout, even more impressive.
People still use 'that's how we roll"? Guess so.
-
120 pound db laterals ??? ??? ???
-
120 pound db laterlas ??? ??? ???
Big Dicked Bob is up to 140 lb laterals.
-
Big Dicked Bob is up to 140 lb laterals.
well there's only one BDB 8)
-
i use 14kg dumbels for laterals
maybe thats why the delts are tinytits
-
120 pound db laterals ??? ??? ???
SAW A VIDEO OF GASPARI/FLEX LEWIS TOSSING LITERALLY BUT MOVING 60-90'S ON SIDE RAISES.THAT'S FREAKING HEAVY..
-
SAW A VIDEO OF GASPARI/FLEX LEWIS TOSSING LITERALLY BUT MOVING 60-90'S ON SIDE RAISES.THAT'S FREAKING HEAVY..
agreed
King Zane only worked up to 35 MAX on db laterals
(http://storage.sfd.pl/1/images2006/20060506193950.jpg)
and this here is a pair of delts old-school style 8)
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/DonHoworth1.jpg)
-
agreed
King Zane only worked up to 35 MAX on db laterals
(http://storage.sfd.pl/1/images2006/20060506193950.jpg)
and this here is a pair of delts old-school style 8)
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/DonHoworth1.jpg)
GREAT PIC FIND'S THERE,,,I LIKE THIS ZANE LOOK OVER THE FREAKIER DRIER VERSION 77/83 ,,I WOULD LIKE EITHER IMO ;D
-
GREAT PIC FIND'S THERE,,,I LIKE THIS ZANE LOOK OVER THE FREAKIER DRIER VERSION 77/83 ,,I WOULD LIKE EITHER IMO ;D
as much as it pains me to say this, i think you're right about being freaky ripped and dry not being so appealing
this here is a real nice look i think, as he's still quite lean (about 8-9%) but not so ripped and dry and he's got some damn good fullness to him
(http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1314&stc=1&d=1180894028)
-
as much as it pains me to say this, i think you're right about being freaky ripped and dry not being so appealing
this here is a real nice look i think, as he's still quite lean (about 8-9%) but not so ripped and dry and he's got some damn good fullness to him
(http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1314&stc=1&d=1180894028)
Whats wrong with a person that wants look like this?
-
Whats wrong with a person that wants look like this?
nothings wrong with it, in fact it's better than what i envisioned to be ideal ie. a ripped and dry sub-6
yeah, i guess that i can be quite a delusional dipshit from time to time lol
-
Damn it I am keeping my hair and going to eat some macaroni and cheese.
-
That's a typo, it's 120lbs lateral raises, almost matching those 160 lbs DB inclines. Throwing in 10X10's (GVT) in the same workout, even more impressive.
People still use 'that's how we roll"? Guess so.
yeah, nice try.
I had a pec tear back last December and I'm still not at my previous pressing strength, I've done 150's for 10 and inclined 315 for 6.
20lb for laterals is plenty.
-
yeah, nice try.
I had a pec tear back last December and I'm still not at my previous pressing strength, I've done 150's for 10 and inclined 315 for 6.
20lb for laterals is plenty.
Nice!
How are you doing your laterals? Cause I don't even feel 20's unless I do something like high reps, superset, etc.
-
Nice!
How are you doing your laterals? Cause I don't even feel 20's unless I do something like high reps, superset, etc.
run the rack i've done them last few delt wokouts say 40/30/25/20 nice pump.
-
I start at 10, do one arm at a time for maybe 3 sets, then jump to 15, one arm a time, alternating with no rest, then 20's alternating arms until I get bored.
I squeeze the DB up since I have tendinosis in both my RC's and my promixal bicep tendon didn't look so great on my last shoulder MRI - apparently laterals are one of the worst exercises for tearing a frayed proximal bicep tendon and that would suck !
I also stop about an inch from shoulder height (impingement, yay) and avoid the bottom 1/6th of the lift since apparently that puts hellacious stress on the RC to initiate the pull.
Then I go do some equally faggy light pressing on a hammer machine or light DBs. I shoulder pressed the 140's for a few reps many years ago but these days I rarely go over 80lbs for presses :( Almost always do it after chest so I don't need to use so much weight I get hurt.
getting old is a bitch
-
I start at 10, do one arm at a time for maybe 3 sets, then jump to 15, one arm a time, alternating with no rest, then 20's alternating arms until I get bored.
I squeeze the DB up since I have tendinosis in both my RC's and my promixal bicep tendon didn't look so great on my last shoulder MRI - apparently laterals are one of the worst exercises for tearing a frayed proximal bicep tendon and that would suck !
I also stop about an inch from shoulder height (impingement, yay) and avoid the bottom 1/6th of the lift since apparently that puts hellacious stress on the RC to initiate the pull.
Then I go do some equally faggy light pressing on a hammer machine or light DBs. I shoulder pressed the 140's for a few reps many years ago but these days I rarely go over 80lbs for presses :( Almost always do it after chest so I don't need to use so much weight I get hurt.
getting old is a bitch
nice...as long as u hold your mass/size over the long haul .the weight is less important other than ego.
-
run the rack i've done them last few delt wokouts say 40/30/25/20 nice pump.
It just depends...standing I do 55-60's then 40's then 30's, seated I start at 40-45's then 35's then 25's. Seated facing the incline bench I start about 35-40.....see where I'm going? I see mawse does them one arm at a time I assume he holds onto a rack or something with the free hand.
-
It just depends...standing I do 55-60's then 40's then 30's, seated I start at 40-45's then 35's then 25's. Seated facing the incline bench I start about 35-40.....see where I'm going? I see mawse does them one arm at a time I assume he holds onto a rack or something with the free hand.
i do cable version single hold post or grip on machine or single db i hold on to a seated bench chair all the way up and do i side then switch to other .i try or do them all in some rotation.
-
I wonder what type mawse does that he feels the 20's are enough?
-
I wonder what type mawse does that he feels the 20's are enough?
My heaviest presses are the 130's on flat bench....and 20's are the heaviest i go on laterals. If you're trying to isolate delts on your laterals and perform the movement correctly with minimal momentum, you don't need much weight. If you can't hold your DB at the top of the movement for 1-2 seconds, it's probably too much weight. I know nobody that can hold 40lb dumbells like this. But i know plenty who can swing 80s all day long.
One more time: deltoids are designed for circumduction, not as a primary mover.
-
My heaviest presses are the 130's on flat bench....and 20's are the heaviest i go on laterals. If you're trying to isolate delts on your laterals and perform the movement correctly with minimal momentum, you don't need much weight. If you can't hold your DB at the top of the movement for 1-2 seconds, it's probably too much weight. I know nobody that can hold 40lb dumbells like this. But i know plenty who can swing 80s all day long.
One more time: deltoids are designed for circumduction, not as a primary mover.
Obviously different versions yield different numbers, standing is more sway, seated your body can still lean, seated facing the incline is probably the strictest. Do you hold every exercise at contraction for 1-2 seconds? Or do you hold the 20's to the side and make circles in the air ???
-
Obviously different versions yield different numbers, standing is more sway, seated your body can still lean, seated facing the incline is probably the strictest. Do you hold every exercise at contraction for 1-2 seconds?
Yeah I agree with you there. I was just making the point that it's not THAT weird that Mawse trains delts in this fashion. A lot of guys have been calling bullshit on his methods.
No I don't hold a peak contraction for that long on most exercises. Mostly just for delts. My goal with them is to force myself to use the lightest weight possible to reach failure at my target rep range. Opposite my training philosophy for the big 3 lifts.
-
Yeah I agree with you there. I was just making the point that it's not THAT weird that Mawse trains delts in this fashion. A lot of guys have been calling bullshit on his methods.
No I don't hold a peak contraction for that long on most exercises. Mostly just for delts. My goal with them is to force myself to use the lightest weight possible to reach failure at my target rep range. Opposite my training philosophy for the big 3 lifts.
It's just strange to see someone press 160's, (which involves massive shoulder strength) then turn and claim 20's for laterals. Thats why I asked about technique.
Sometimes I do the seated side into front raise overhead back into side lat movement, then I'll use 20's max.
-
It's just strange to see someone press 160's, (which involves massive shoulder strength) then turn and claim 20's for laterals. Thats why I asked about technique.
Sometimes I do the seated side into front raise overhead back into side lat movement, then I'll use 20's max.
I hear what you're saying. Going "light" on shoulder day is unorthodox for what you see most guys in the gym doing. My belief is that we'd see a whole lot less labrum tears and rotator cuff ailments if guys backed off on the heavy stuff for delts.
I realize we're using subjective terminology in these posts though (heavy, light, etc). I focus in rep ranges where I want to failure...with delts I want to fail anything over 20 reps. So for me, 20lb dumbells do the trick.
What rep ranges do you use for shoulders?
-
That's a typo, it's 120lbs lateral raises, almost matching those 160 lbs DB inclines. Throwing in 10X10's (GVT) in the same workout, even more impressive.
People still use 'that's how we roll"? Guess so.
??? ::)
-
I hear what you're saying. Going "light" on shoulder day is unorthodox for what you see most guys in the gym doing. My belief is that we'd see a whole lot less labrum tears and rotator cuff ailments if guys backed off on the heavy stuff for delts.
I realize we're using subjective terminology in these posts though (heavy, light, etc). I focus in rep ranges where I want to failure...with delts I want to fail anything over 20 reps. So for me, 20lb dumbells do the trick.
What rep ranges do you use for shoulders?
Ahh...20 reps, now we see. ;)
-
Ahh...20 reps, now we see. ;)
How many reps do you like for delts?
-
Laterals in the 12 - 15 rep range with manageable resistance. Overhead presses 12 - 8 or 6 using max resistance. My delts aren't powerful or strong, although I have never injured them. I do the overhead presses first then move on to side and read laterals, finishing off with shrugs and upright rowing for the traps.
-
How many reps do you like for delts?
I do 10 reps max on most everything, typically I stay in the 4-6 range on most stuff.
-
I do 10 reps max on most everything, typically I stay in the 4-6 range on most stuff.
then you are what i thought strong but not very fast and conditioned.
-
I do 10 reps max on most everything, typically I stay in the 4-6 range on most stuff.
How healthy are your shoulders after years of training?
-
How healthy are your shoulders after years of training?
mate we Train intelligent. he Trains like a cave man ???
-
mate we Train intelligent. he Trains like a cave man ???
Lol :D
some guys have gorilla tendons and can throw shit around like that for years...I'm certainly not one of these, i had to learn how to train smarter. But hell, If you're immune to injury, who am I to tell someone to quit their preferred method of training.
I can honestly say though, that there's not a single guy in my gym over age 40 who doesn't have some form of shoulder injury. I've referred 3 personally to orthopedic surgeons who have gone on to have operations.
-
Lol :D
some guys have gorilla tendons and can throw shit around like that for years...I'm certainly not one of these, i had to learn how to train smarter. But hell, If you're immune to injury, who am I to tell someone to quit their preferred method of training.
I can honestly say though, that there's not a single guy in my gym over age 40 who doesn't have some form of shoulder injury. I've referred 3 personally to orthopedic surgeons who have gone on to have operations.
yes i agree 100% shoulders Need to be trained in a Special way. I find supersets or tri sets great for me..or as Steve mentioned drop sets. It´s the icing on the cake really.
-
How healthy are your shoulders after years of training?
Just fine, I'm built like a man. :)
-
I do 10 reps max on most everything, typically I stay in the 4-6 range on most stuff.
Are you saying Calvin is doing to many reps per set?
-
How healthy are your shoulders after years of training?
Oddly enough, mine are bigger and stronger then they have ever been. Despite having arthritis elsewhere, my shoulders are pain free. Guess I did something right....although it was probably by accident. ;D
-
Lol :D
some guys have gorilla tendons and can throw shit around like that for years...I'm certainly not one of these, i had to learn how to train smarter. But hell, If you're immune to injury, who am I to tell someone to quit their preferred method of training.
I can honestly say though, that there's not a single guy in my gym over age 40 who doesn't have some form of shoulder injury. I've referred 3 personally to orthopedic surgeons who have gone on to have operations.
I feel so lucky. Most of the guys I talk to at the gym who are over 40 much less my age, have experienced shoulder injuries. I guess my being a bit of a wimp when it comes to hoisting a lot of poundage isn't such a bad thing after all.
-
yes i agree 100% shoulders Need to be trained in a Special way. I find supersets or tri sets great for me..or as Steve mentioned drop sets. It´s the icing on the cake really.
On shoulder day, I train delts, traps and abs. It works well for me. Also, I train delts the day prior to training pecs. It doesn't make for hoisting the most weight on the flat or incline bench, but it does isolate the pecs pretty well.
-
Just fine, I'm built like a man. :)
Good to know.
-
Oddly enough, mine are bigger and stronger then they have ever been. Despite having arthritis elsewhere, my shoulders are pain free. Guess I did something right....although it was probably by accident. ;D
but you have zero delts
did you have minus zero delts before?
-
but you have zero delts
did you have minus zero delts before?
They were never "all that" which makes seeing them grow this late in the game all the more curious and gratifying. I have delts, btw. They don't look like much in the photos I've posted, I agree. Maybe, I should work on adjusting the focus like Cswol.
Keep in mind, I have twink genetics. Much as I wish this wasn't the case, it is what it is.
-
Laterals in the 12 - 15 rep range with manageable resistance. Overhead presses 12 - 8 or 6 using max resistance. My delts aren't powerful or strong, although I have never injured them. I do the overhead presses first then move on to side and read laterals, finishing off with shrugs and upright rowing for the traps.
that's nice and all, but have you actually made any progress in the past year or so?
it's a very common phenomenon to see fellas in the gym who look EXACTLY THE SAME day after day and month after month and year after year
BRUTAL!!! and why the fuck bother to train if you just look EXACTLY THE SAME ::)
-
that's nice and all, but have you actually made any progress in the past year or so?
it's a very common phenomenon to see fellas in the gym who look EXACTLY THE SAME day after day and month after month and year after year
BRUTAL!!! and why the fuck bother to train if you just look EXACTLY THE SAME ::)
Prime is 86 years old...how much progress do you expect from the guy?
-
Prime is 86 years old...how much progress do you expect from the guy?
age smage
just a bullshit excuse for pussies who don't got heart ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=401461.0;attach=533532;image)
-
Just fine, I'm built like a man. :)
oh man.... ::)
-
oh man.... ::)
A real mountain of beautiful muscle this guy must be eh? :D
-
A real mountain of beautiful muscle this guy must be eh? :D
yeah...sculpted ripped muscles. A Herculean hero... :-\ with his Body and jpm101´s Fantasy mind then you got it all Chiro.... ;D
-
A real mountain of beautiful muscle this guy must be eh? :D
If you find other mens muscular bodys beautiful, you might be a homo. :D
-
I remember a old saying. "There isn't anything around here boy but Steers and Queers and I don't see any horns on you". 8)
-
It's all just fun boys... ;)
-
Prime is 86 years old...how much progress do you expect from the guy?
Not that old yet, but thanks for cutting me some slack. -Truth is any progress or even maintenance is a good thing at 69 years old and still be when I am 86 years old. ;D
One thing is certain, you all will someday get old, unless you die young. It is not like something anyone wishes for, it just is what it is. In my opinion, it is better to be old and still training then to be old an not or not able to.
-
that's nice and all, but have you actually made any progress in the past year or so?
it's a very common phenomenon to see fellas in the gym who look EXACTLY THE SAME day after day and month after month and year after year
BRUTAL!!! and why the fuck bother to train if you just look EXACTLY THE SAME ::)
I am not making the kind of gains I might have when I was in my teens and twenties, that is for sure. I bother to train because it makes me feel good, I see improvements even when no one else does and it keeps me healthier than I would be if I didn't train. My goals are probably different then yours and that's fine.
The past year has been a struggle health wise, having had a major surgery and now a torn meniscus. I have made some improvements never-the-less. Since changing up my deltoid routine to include higher reps and lighter weights on back, side and front laterals, my delts seem rounder and more pronounced....maybe it is just wishful thinking, but it is what I see when I look in the mirror.
-
Primemuscle is crushing people around here.
-
Primemuscle is crushing people around here.
how many sets do you do for your delts man?
-
how many sets do you do for your delts man?
Do mean failure sets or the warmups as well?
-
Do mean failure sets or the warmups as well?
both failure sets and exercises
-
both failure sets and exercises
Warmups I dont count people sit and say I did 5 sets whatever but only one are two failure I don't count that as 5 sets so I only warmup on the first exercise the rest just I go straight to the heavy sets. never had a shoulder injury a bunch of warmups is a waist of time in my eyes.
So 2 warmup sets on side laterals then
Side lateral 2 failure sets 6-8
Military Press 1 set to failure 6-8
Bent lateral 1 set to failure 6-8
Reason being if you want to be wider you got to hit side delts more. Front delts get hit alot in chest exercises so hence just 1 set on Military. Rear delt gets hit in back exercises. Overtraining these areas could lead to injury especially front deltoid.
-
i've been doing wide grip upright rows lately, and i think they may be even better for side delts than laterals
-
i've been doing wide grip upright rows lately, and i think they may be even better for side delts than laterals
IMO, the best mass maker for delts.
-
Whichever name you call them, wide grip upright rows or Hi-pulls, are still a great shoulder mass builder, including hitting posterior delts well. The elbows follow the general same path as doing lateral raises,but allows handling more weight (resistance). Can do them Gironda style, which is in a true BB'ing style. Or heavier, like power trainee's (key movement for football players, etc) or Olympic lifters.
One arm DB HI-pulls are an excellent mass builder also. Just focus on keeping the elbows out wide and inline with the body. Lateral delt heads are assured of getting a equal work load, hopefully resulting in balanced size and strength for the right and left sides. Suggest bracing the free arm against something solid. Some guys do these with cables.
When doing regular lateral raises, might suggest using the one and one half method. Which can allow more TUT (time under tension). If not familiar with this; do a DB lateral raise to a bit above shoulder height, than lower to the half way position (hold for a second or two) and bring the DB ups again to shoulder lever. From there, lower the DB back down to the original starting position. That's considered one rep in this system. Not just for delts, this also works very well when doing arm work or just about any thing else.
Running The Rack is a exceptional way to get that super pump and hitting some delt fiber not usually hit. Usually done with DB presses. Some with lateral raises. Never stopping at any time.
A advance system is to start with lateral raises (some what strict style) with a pair of 5 pounder's (best if your gym has 5lb weight increases), do 2 reps (reps can very, some do only one rep, some 3...but never above 3 reps) and without rest grab the next pair of DB on the rack, doing two more reps, etc. all the way up along the rack. Zero pause between DB's. Probably work up to a pair of 25's, until the arms can't be raised any more even a little bit.. Without stopping , grab the next pair of heavier DB's on the rack(say 30's) and begin doing DB overhead presses. Do the 2 reps (1 or 3 reps, depending on your choice) and just keep going to the next heavier pair. Should make it to a pair of 45's or 50's before the delts become fried. That should be the only delt workout for that day.
Some will run the rack, all the way up to the heaviest weight they can handle and than run back down the rack to heir original starting pair of DB's. But this is for when only using laterial raises or DB presses. Not he advance method suggested above. Running the rack also works extremely well for bicep and even tricep work. Good Luck.
-
Some interesting suggestions JPM, good post!
-
Whichever name you call them, wide grip upright rows or Hi-pulls, are still a great shoulder mass builder, including hitting posterior delts well. The elbows follow the general same path as doing lateral raises,but allows handling more weight (resistance). Can do them Gironda style, which is in a true BB'ing style. Or heavier, like power trainee's (key movement for football players, etc) or Olympic lifters.
One arm DB HI-pulls are an excellent mass builder also. Just focus on keeping the elbows out wide and inline with the body. Lateral delt heads are assured of getting a equal work load, hopefully resulting in balanced size and strength for the right and left sides. Suggest bracing the free arm against something solid. Some guys do these with cables.
When doing regular lateral raises, might suggest using the one and one half method. Which can allow more TUT (time under tension). If not familiar with this; do a DB lateral raise to a bit above shoulder height, than lower to the half way position (hold for a second or two) and bring the DB ups again to shoulder lever. From there, lower the DB back down to the original starting position. That's considered one rep in this system. Not just for delts, this also works very well when doing arm work or just about any thing else.
Running The Rack is a exceptional way to get that super pump and hitting some delt fiber not usually hit. Usually done with DB presses. Some with lateral raises. Never stopping at any time.
A advance system is to start with lateral raises (some what strict style) with a pair of 5 pounder's (best if your gym has 5lb weight increases), do 2 reps (reps can very, some do only one rep, some 3...but never above 3 reps) and without rest grab the next pair of DB on the rack, doing two more reps, etc. all the way up along the rack. Zero pause between DB's. Probably work up to a pair of 25's, until the arms can't be raised any more even a little bit.. Without stopping , grab the next pair of heavier DB's on the rack(say 30's) and begin doing DB overhead presses. Do the 2 reps (1 or 3 reps, depending on your choice) and just keep going to the next heavier pair. Should make it to a pair of 45's or 50's before the delts become fried. That should be the only delt workout for that day.
Some will run the rack, all the way up to the heaviest weight they can handle and than run back down the rack to heir original starting pair of DB's. But this is for when only using laterial raises or DB presses. Not he advance method suggested above. Running the rack also works extremely well for bicep and even tricep work. Good Luck.
I'm going to try this.
-
I'm going to try this.
Good luck Chaos. Remember to keep your abs tight.
-
I'm going to try this.
thought that you weren't a bodoybuilder ???
-
thought that you weren't a bodoybuilder ???
when are these two Sweethearts going to get married? ::)
-
thought that you weren't a bodoybuilder ???
I'm not. I'm also not so narrow minded and naive that I can't see value in different training techniques.
Hi "Donny" :)
-
Running the rack is great for delts. Delts respond to volume and density training.
-
Running the rack is great for delts. Delts respond to volume and density training.
I agree with volume training. What is density training?
-
weider wrote about this Training from a book i have from the 80s
http://www.howtobefit.com/high-density-weight-training.htm
-
I agree with volume training. What is density training?
Basically doing a lot of work in a short period of time. Running the rack is a good example of a technique that increases training density. You can do a complete delt workout in 10-15 min. It's obviously not the only way to train but it can be very useful. Especially if you have been doing heavier and slower paced training for x amount of weeks.
-
Can someone please explain why this thread has reached 16 pages? I stopped at 8... :o
-
Can someone please explain why this thread has reached 16 pages? I stopped at 8... :o
because it's a thought provoking subject
-
because it's a thought provoking subject
wide delts used to be the mark of a man... ;) along with Old spice Aftershave....
-
wide delts used to be the mark of a man... ;) along with Old spice Aftershave....
LOL I agree my grandpa used to use that.
-
LOL I agree my grandpa used to use that.
my old man had it along with Hi Karate...lol
-
wide delts used to be the mark of a man... ;) along with Old spice Aftershave....
It's mainly back training that gives a person that wide look.
-
;D
-
;D
I love those old commercials!
-
It's mainly back training that gives a person that wide look.
yes but Training the shoulder girdle with delt and trap Training (a part of the back yes but involved in a lot of shoulder moves) is paramount to a wide look. In the old Days they used padded shoulders in suits. posture is also important, i see the effects of muscle distbalance every day in the gym. straightening up and pulling your shoulders back makes a visible difference.
-
I love those old commercials!
i remember as a kid putting it on and the teacher saying i smelt nice...shame i was a kid...she was a babe ;D
-
"because anything less, would be uncivilized!!!! "
-
yes but Training the shoulder girdle with delt and trap Training (a part of the back yes but involved in a lot of shoulder moves) is paramount to a wide look. In the old Days they used padded shoulders in suits. posture is also important, i see the effects of muscle distbalance every day in the gym. straightening up and pulling your shoulders back makes a visible difference.
Performing lateral movements have their impact on wideness, but that's only limited. The back, and the serratus as well (pull overs!) is an important foundation for wideness.
Yeah, posture is another important aspect. To improve this, I see many gym rats performing rear delt exercises, but they don't know how to train their backs correctly.
-
i remember as a kid putting it on and the teacher saying i smelt nice...shame i was a kid...she was a babe ;D
Well, did you banged her on the backseat of her car? :D
-
Performing lateral movements have their impact on wideness, but that's only limited. The back, and the serratus as well (pull overs!) is an important foundation for wideness.
Yeah, posture is another important aspect. To improve this, I see many gym rats performing rear delt exercises, but they don't know how to train their backs correctly.
well yes lats are important i agree but pull overs to build a wide appearance ..no, i disagree. ok the serratus can also be trained with a form of kneeling cable crunch. pull overs are a good lat exercise(for me) but as some believe a rib Cage builder no..i do not believe this. The whole package is important. Upright rows lift the shoulder girdle and are a good tool to use if you have no shoulder issues. Upright rows were for me hard but i find now i can do them.
-
Well, did you banged her on the backseat of her car? :D
I wouldn't now... ;D
-
Basically doing a lot of work in a short period of time. Running the rack is a good example of a technique that increases training density. You can do a complete delt workout in 10-15 min. It's obviously not the only way to train but it can be very useful. Especially if you have been doing heavier and slower paced training for x amount of weeks.
Ahh very good! Yeah that's how I like to train delts too, but more like 25 mins or so.
-
It's mainly back training that gives a person that wide look.
Correct....from the BACK. From the front, delts will give you width.
-
Correct....from the BACK. From the front, delts will give you width.
excellent answer.
-
Can someone please explain why this thread has reached 16 pages? I stopped at 8... :o
Not exactly stopped since this recent post from you is on page 16....always a stickler for details. ;D
-
8) 8) 8)
(http://www.sportowiec.org/pub/images/editor/zdjecialipiec2013/Jim_Haislop.jpg)
-
I say 63.5 sets of side db laterals.
-
and make sure not to use more than 5 pound bells
-
and make sure not to use more than 5 pound bells
well you got wide delts ???
-
we're trolling dude
show me a wide thick shouldered dude who used or uses pussyass weights
you can't, because they don't exist
-
we're trolling dude
show me a wide thick shouldered dude who used or uses pussyass weights
you can't, because they don't exist
I could, but the guy who sports then at the gym might object to my taking his photo to post on Getbig. The interesting thing about this fellow is that he's recently dropped about 25 lbs. The more cut he's become the more pronounced and wide his deltoids appear.
Some of what makes for a great bodybuilding physique is illusion. It is all about ratios between different areas on the body and defined muscular development. At least this was the case in the years before all the perma bulkers.
-
yep, but you can't lift pussyass weights and have a jacked physique, just not possible
do you think this dude lifted pussyass weights?
hell no he didn't
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/brianeastman/brianeastman4.jpg)
-
My delts are my best bodypart, and I strictly use "pussy ass weights" for delt workouts. I'm 5'10 230 at 10% bodyfat as well.
-
what are pussyass weights exactly?
fyi, all upper body compound moves ie. benches, dips, rows, pulldowns/pullups strongly involve the delts
this dude used massive fucking weights and check out his fucking density
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=492532.0;attach=534035;image)
-
yep, but you can't lift pussyass weights and have a jacked physique, just not possible
do you think this dude lifted pussyass weights?
hell no he didn't
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/brianeastman/brianeastman4.jpg)
So busy arguing your point and yet the photo you posted isn't displayed. I don't know what this fellow actually lifted, do you?
-
he claimed he lifted heavy and i believe him
-
what are pussyass weights exactly?
fyi, all upper body compound moves ie. benches, dips, rows, pulldowns/pullups strongly involve the delts
this dude used massive fucking weights and check out his fucking density
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=492532.0;attach=534035;image)
dj...don´t even argue with a guy like chiro...his physique and YOURS is like day and Night.
-
just for you dj...your delts are hit with other moves all the time as you rightly pointed out but why hammer them again ? i like normally 3 moves for delts, 3-4 sets. if i feel like higher reps i do it. I go by feel on the Day. Not licking Chiros ass here but he IS advanced and Trains accordingly. I wish i had his delts.
http://bodybuilding-mauritius.blogspot.de/2013/03/the-iron-guru-series-gironda-shoulder.html
-
A lot of guys with huge shoulders train them with light lateral raises only due to the tremendous amount of indirect work they recieve.
A fey great trainers swear by this approach.
-
dj...don´t even argue with a guy like chiro...his physique and YOURS is like day and Night.
it doesn't matter who has the better physique
he takes more drugs and has better "size" genetics than me
here's the point... your muscles WILL NOT GET BIGGER UNLESS A HEAVIER TRAINING LOAD IS IMPOSED UPON THEM
listen, my training loads have hardly gone up, hence why i'm not much bigger but.... if my training loads would some how go up then yes, i would be bigger
christ dude! just coz i talk about increased training loads does not mean that i've done it myself duh!!!
-
it doesn't matter who has the better physique
he takes more drugs and has better "size" genetics than me
here's the point... your muscles WILL NOT GET BIGGER UNLESS A HEAVIER TRAINING LOAD IS IMPOSED UPON THEM
listen, my training loads have hardly gone up, hence why i'm not much bigger but.... if my training loads would some how go up then yes, i would be bigger
christ dude! just coz i talk about increased training loads does not mean that i've done it myself duh!!!
Try a cycle of german volume training and see for yourself that increased load is not the ONLY way to get bigger.
Volume is important to as is increasing the load in good form once your body has adapted and finds the current load easy.
I like you believe streght gains are important but optimal volume is also important and there is always more than one way to skin a cat
[/quote]
-
he claimed he lifted heavy and i believe him
a lot of bber are full of shit, cant take their claims for granted
Shawn Ray: Give me some of the best poundage’s you've lifted: Bench- Shoulder Press- Squat- Biceps Curl?
Victor Richards:I have bench pressed between 550 on incline bench and 600+ pounds flat bench; 200 pounds on dumbbell press. I’ve done shoulder presses in the range of 450 pounds; squatted nearly 900 pounds, as well I’ve done barbell curls up to 315 pounds and I never liked using a belt or knee wraps.
sure ::)
-
Try a cycle of german volume training and see for yourself that increased load is not the ONLY way to get bigger.
Volume is important to as is increasing the load in good form once your body has adapted and finds the current load easy.
I like you believe streght gains are important but optimal volume is also important and there is always more than one way to skin a cat
Good Post...i agree 100%. dj is a good guy just a bit too much influence from AJ...
-
Try a cycle of german volume training and see for yourself that increased load is not the ONLY way to get bigger.
Volume is important to as is increasing the load in good form once your body has adapted and finds the current load easy.
I like you believe streght gains are important but optimal volume is also important and there is always more than one way to skin a cat
but even with German volume training you still gotta increase your training loads right?
if i could get away with squatting 115 for 10 sets of 10 (and never adding more weight to the bar) while continuing to bigger wheels from it, then i'd be all for it ;D
and btw, i can maybe squat 135 for 10 reps til failure lol so 10x10 with 115 with 90 second rest btw sets would be some damn hard work for me
-
a lot of bber are full of shit, cant take their claims for granted
Shawn Ray: Give me some of the best poundage’s you've lifted: Bench- Shoulder Press- Squat- Biceps Curl?
Victor Richards:I have bench pressed between 550 on incline bench and 600+ pounds flat bench; 200 pounds on dumbbell press. I’ve done shoulder presses in the range of 450 pounds; squatted nearly 900 pounds, as well I’ve done barbell curls up to 315 pounds and I never liked using a belt or knee wraps.
sure ::)
agreed
and don't make me find and post up casey v's (God rest his soul) claimed training poundages
i remember that his claimed bench was 350 for 20 reps and curl was 185 or maybe even 225 for 20 reps
-
one of the first things i tell Young Boys in the Gym is... wipe your arse with the Bodybuilding mags and think for yourself and Train with controllable poundages and proper form... i laughed at a guy yesterday doing like a "crab" pose while Training on the Butterfly machine.. it was fucking funny but i showed him correct form and surprise surprise he had to drop weight. A Trainer in another Gym here showed him this(what he said).. made me think ...must have been a real Clown.
-
Try a cycle of german volume training and see for yourself that increased load is not the ONLY way to get bigger.
Volume is important to as is increasing the load in good form once your body has adapted and finds the current load easy.
I like you believe streght gains are important but optimal volume is also important and there is always more than one way to skin a cat
oops!
just read your post in whole and the answer was there already, so ignore my earlier post
yep, i'm sometimes kinda emotional and not too bright lol
-
but even with German volume training you still gotta increase your training loads right?
if i could get away with squatting 115 for 10 sets of 10 (and never adding more weight to the bar) while continuing to bigger wheels from it, then i'd be all for it ;D
and btw, i can maybe squat 135 for 10 reps til failure lol so 10x10 with 115 with 90 second rest btw sets would be some damn hard work for me
true part of GVT is trying to increase loads but the majority of the gains in size that the routine is kniw for come firstly in the first few weeks as your body adapts to the volume then again as you deload and the body de-fatigues from the six weeks of volume. The 10 to 20lbs added to the bar over the six weeks contributes very little.
I for years also followed the one set to failure mentality and it does work to a degree. After making the switch to 3 to 5 sets using the same weight and backing off the poundage every now and then and working back up to a slightly higher peak that i started to see better gains.
As a bonus you can train more frequently and dont have to be sore all the time.
-
well lets face it pounding your shoulders heavy all the time will not get you far in the Long run...injuries soon will come and your gains will grind to a halt along with your Joints... ;)
-
some very intelligent Posts from Bass.... :)
-
some very intelligent Posts from Bass.... :)
thanks mate
-
thanks mate
you are wellcome...
-
My delts are my best bodypart, and I strictly use "pussy ass weights" for delt workouts.
x2
-
x2
I'VE BEEN RUNNING THE RACK ON RAISES LAST FEW SHOULDER WORKOUTS AND GETTING WICKED PUMPS AND EVEN PRESSING AT THE END WITH AS MUCH WEIGHT AS I COULD DO FOR 10/12 AND USING AS CLOSE TO SAME WEIGHT I WOULD START WITH FRESH PRESSING 1ST,BODY ADAPTS TO CHANGES PRETTY QUICK.
-
I'VE BEEN RUNNING THE RACK ON RAISES LAST FEW SHOULDER WORKOUTS AND GETTING WICKED PUMPS AND EVEN PRESSING AT THE END WITH AS MUCH WEIGHT AS I COULD DO FOR 10/12 AND USING AS CLOSE TO SAME WEIGHT I WOULD START WITH FRESH PRESSING 1ST,BODY ADAPTS TO CHANGES PRETTY QUICK.
It does right...
Seems you switch up things quite often in your routine. Pretty smart thing to do imo,...I like to do the same not so much for muscle building/recovery purposes but just cause doing the same stuff over and over gets so damn boring. One should enjoy the gym...
I get that some guys are more into poundages but in that case it would make more sense to train as a powerlifter.
And dj181 please don't respond to this post...its not meant for you seriously. We've been over this a million times before lol.
-
it doesn't matter who has the better physique
he takes more drugs and has better "size" genetics than me
here's the point... your muscles WILL NOT GET BIGGER UNLESS A HEAVIER TRAINING LOAD IS IMPOSED UPON THEM
listen, my training loads have hardly gone up, hence why i'm not much bigger but.... if my training loads would some how go up then yes, i would be bigger
christ dude! just coz i talk about increased training loads does not mean that i've done it myself duh!!!
To be honest, your opinion on max weight loads for delts would be more meaningful and acceptable if you'd actually given this a try. Not that I am encouraging you to do so because if you are not used to using heavy resistance you are all the more prone to injury. This is particularly true of delts.
I have gone heavy on the overhead press many times and for extended periods. My personal experience is that the results are not worth the risk. I have also used heavier weights when doing laterals, especially rear laterals which for some reason I'm pretty strong on. When the weights are heavy, my form isn't as good, the reps are much lower, I don't get the burn and the results aren't as noticeable. I am trying to build a nice rounded three muscle cap on my delts. On myself and on others who work delts heavy, you don't see this a much as with those who fine tune them with lighter resistance, more controlled movements and higher reps.
-
Who knew delts were such a hot topic ???
For bbing purposes, medium weight/higher rep range seems best for size. For strength purposes, heavy weights/low reps mixed with light weight/high reps.
-
Some very good posts all around fellas.
Here is an observation I've made that has helped shape my training philosophy on delts:
I used to wonder why these olympic lifters were able to train 5 days a week on heavy shoulder pressing movements. It amazed me how they were able to endure the wear and tear of this training style for weeks, months, and years on end, but how when I attempted to include the heavy delt work with my bodybuilding program, my delts felt awful and were always aching and on the verge of injury. That's when it occurred to me: the overall volume myself and most bodybuilders do is far greater than any Oly lift workout. I believe you can do 1 method or the other, but mixing both and you'll have a short tenure in this sport without some chronic shoulder pathologies being developed. Literally EVERY person I know who approaches their shoulder workout the same as any other heavy day in their bodybuilding split, has some form of shoulder injury. I've personally winessed 3 labrum tears in my gym from guys doing seated military press. Only time I'm ever an asshole at my gym is if someone asks me for a spot on heavy military press and I kindly decline because rarely do I feel someone can handle the weight properly and I don't want to have to upright row 225 from someone to save their life. :D
Ive concluded that if you're having sufficient heavy chest and back days on a high volume bodybuilding split, you have ALREADY in retrospect had a good delt workout for the week. So my "delt day" is just a bonus, an opportunity to get a good pump of the delts with some high rep sets and keep the shoulders flexible and mobile. It's a totally different workout and mindset than any other bodyparts; the goal is to not demolish muscle fibers, it is to get a nasty quick pump, and in turn increase protein synthesis in that area. This is my key to keeping my shoulders healthy so I can still be doing this when I'm 60 years old one day.
-
Who knew delts were such a hot topic ???
For bbing purposes, medium weight/higher rep range seems best for size. For strength purposes, heavy weights/low reps mixed with light weight/high reps.
On this combination, I agree. Folks should lift for both strength and size they go hand in hand or shoulder in shoulder as this case may be.
-
On this combination, I agree. Folks should lift for both strength and size they go hand in hand or shoulder in shoulder as this case may be.
This is gay just fucking lift it's not rocket science. You think John C Grimek worried about it?
-
This is gay just fucking lift it's not rocket science. You think John C Grimek worried about it?
Come on, we have to have something to discuss otherwise we'd actually have to go to the gym and workout. ;D
Think how much better John C. Grimek could have looked had he been privy to all this information.
-
Come on, we have to have something to discuss otherwise we'd actually have to go to the gym and workout. ;D
Think how much better John C. Grimek could have looked had he been privy to all this information.
Damn I am going to get a broomstick and a couple of cement blocks now. :D
-
Come on, we have to have something to discuss otherwise we'd actually have to go to the gym and workout. ;D
Think how much better John C. Grimek could have looked had he been privy to all this information.
That depends on how he would handle this huge information overload... Confused people aren't the most successful/productive ones...
-
Damn I am going to get a broomstick and a couple of cement blocks now. :D
Spoken like a true good ol' boy Southern bodybuilder!
-
WELL ...main thing about shoulders and keeping them healthy is one who trains and all of us have done the heavy presses the too heavy heaving side laterals,the db bell presses all the way to top delts or to side head or any other form to stimulate a tad of growth,after 5/10/20 yrs training and wearing and tearing the shoulder and joint one has nothing but limited range of motion and if totally shot the ability to even hold a baby or carry groceries is a chore.so after you get over the heavy is 'best'theory and you build decent enough delts 'back off'and train smarter.cause bad shoulder means shitty chest workouts,and stuck using limited range of motion and machines :P for periods of time.
-
should i run the rack then instread of doing 3 sets of 8-12 with a fixed weight on side laterals?
-
should i run the rack then instread of doing 3 sets of 8-12 with a fixed weight on side laterals?
Do both.
-
should i run the rack then instread of doing 3 sets of 8-12 with a fixed weight on side laterals?
Just throw a coin
-
Just throw a coin
i cant take a chance on my physical development
-
i cant take a chance on my physical development
Do 3 sets of 8-12 then on the last set drop set it.
-
Do 3 sets of 8-12 then on the last set drop set it.
Outed.
-
i cant take a chance on my physical development
Then quit with endless debates, they only make you more confused than you were before...
-
Then quit with endless debates, they only make you more confused than you were before...
stop trying to force your way of thinking on me
you will never succeed
your efforts are futile
-
stop trying to force your way of thinking on me
you will never succeed
your efforts are futile
It's just advice, nothing more.
If you prefer to waste your time & energy by seeking those non-existing 'facts', than go ahead :D
-
how's this fellas delts?
fyi, i know him personally and in fact he used to train me and when i asked him about doing delt work he laughed in my face and said something like "i haven't done direct delt work in years, and take a look at my shoulders, do they look underdeveloped to you?" (true story btw)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ia1UMREpyYw/TkRcu9ZQcdI/AAAAAAAAB2E/WKPcxAszZRM/s1600/cbf81_ORIG-JM_Blakely.jpg)
-
Just lift wtf?
-
how's this fellas delts?
fyi, i know him personally and in fact he used to train me and when i asked him about doing delt work he laughed in my face and said something like "i haven't done direct delt work in years, and take a look at my shoulders, do they look underdeveloped to you?" (true story btw)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ia1UMREpyYw/TkRcu9ZQcdI/AAAAAAAAB2E/WKPcxAszZRM/s1600/cbf81_ORIG-JM_Blakely.jpg)
they look like shit
-
Just lift wtf?
No, it can't be that simple... impossible! :D
-
i cant take a chance on my physical development
It is all trial and error. If you don't take chances, you will never know what works best for you. Everyone is different - every body responds differently to the stimulus provided it. Either way, anything you do will be better than doing nothing at all.
-
well i won't sleep tonight thinking about my delts.... ;D
-
Just lift wtf?
5 pounds or 6.66 pounds ??? ??? ???
-
It is all trial and error. If you don't take chances, you will never know what works best for you. Everyone is different - every body responds differently to the stimulus provided it. Either way, anything you do will be better than doing nothing at all.
I believe that the bold part is highly overrated. That's also the foundation of bro-science.
There isn't just one exact formula, but we all need hard work combined with common sense, to achieve things.
-
5 pounds or 6.66 pounds ??? ??? ???
1 or 2 it don't matter as long as it's more than the last time.
-
well i won't sleep tonight thinking about my delts.... ;D
Imagine a nightmare, where you see yourself in the mirror.. :-X
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_rGW8aHVnG74RnJs3LLTu00f4cf0Oeb6Gak9YNGj-4npyECg0EQ)
-
Imagine a nightmare, where you see yourself in the mirror.. :-X
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_rGW8aHVnG74RnJs3LLTu00f4cf0Oeb6Gak9YNGj-4npyECg0EQ)
:D
-
My delts are my best bodypart, and I strictly use "pussy ass weights" for delt workouts. I'm 5'10 230 at 10% bodyfat as well.
u sure dont look it
-
u sure dont look it
You mean my 5 year old avatar pic ???
-
You mean my 5 year old avatar pic ???
do u really look much different now? if u did, im sure someone with your ego would have a newer better one up immediately.
-
do u really look much different now? if u did, im sure someone with your ego would have a newer better one up immediately.
Yeah I look much different. 5% fatter and happier now than after that show. About 45 lbs heavier as well. I'm way way bigger now but big is not impressive to me unless you're under 5%, plus I'm wearing my lucky vest in that photo :D . As for my "ego"... I seem to have offended you somehow on the boards. If I did, sorry bro.
-
Yeah I look much different. 5% fatter and happier now than after that show. About 45 lbs heavier as well. I'm way way bigger now but big is not impressive to me unless you're under 5%, plus I'm wearing my lucky vest in that photo :D . As for my "ego"... I seem to have offended you somehow on the boards. If I did, sorry bro.
offended isn't the word.
-
Yeah I look much different. 5% fatter and happier now than after that show. About 45 lbs heavier as well. I'm way way bigger now but big is not impressive to me unless you're under 5%, plus I'm wearing my lucky vest in that photo :D . As for my "ego"... I seem to have offended you somehow on the boards. If I did, sorry bro.
are you trying to say that you don't have a big ego?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AA!!!!!!
if you didn't then you wouldn't have got so butt hurt when i talked a bit of trash to ya, and don't deny that you didn't coz you sure as hell did
fyi, if i weighed what you did at your bodyweight i'd mop the floor with ya ;)
here's me @ 155 @ 5'11", so let's see your 155 pic ;)
-
are you trying to say that you don't have a big ego?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AA!!!!!!
if you didn't then you wouldn't have got so butt hurt when i talked a bit of trash to ya, and don't deny that you didn't coz you sure as hell did
fyi, if i weighed what you did at your bodyweight i'd mop the floor with ya ;)
here's me @ 155 @ 5'11", so let's see your 155 pic ;)
I don't have any pics from grade school, sorry bro :D
I don't recall getting butt hurt over you little guy? Just endless memories of you melting I feel like I would remember this?
Don't mistake my (and everyone else's) disagreement with your delusions as us "melting down" ;)
-
I don't have any pics from grade school, sorry bro :D
I don't recall getting butt hurt over you little guy? Just endless memories of you melting I feel like I would remember this?
Don't mistake my (and everyone else's) disagreement with your delusions as us "melting down" ;)
translation=yes you would mop the floor with me at the same bodyweight and bodyfat levels
gyro flab=18.5 inch arms @ 240
djer=16 inch arms @ 158
you do the the math ;)
-
translation=yes you would mop the floor with me at the same bodyweight and bodyfat levels
gyro flab=18.5 inch arms @ 240
djer=16 inch arms @ 158
you do the the math ;)
Yes I admit you will make some lucky guy very happy one day bro 8)
-
It don't matter how many got weighed or measured at the Mr O = zero. If you look like shit who cares about weights and measurements.
-
oh wat 18 half inch arm at 240?? scram go to rxmuscle
-
oh wat 18 half inch arm at 240?? scram go to rxmuscle
The last time I was feeling douchey enough to measure my arms, they were over 20.5" pumped. But Im ashamed that I did this and speak of the experience infrequently. Thanks though 8)
-
Imagine a nightmare, where you see yourself in the mirror.. :-X
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_rGW8aHVnG74RnJs3LLTu00f4cf0Oeb6Gak9YNGj-4npyECg0EQ)
for you that's quite witty....
-
It don't matter how many got weighed or measured at the Mr O = zero. If you look like shit who cares about weights and measurements.
when you gonna finally realize the i don't want to be no bodybuilder or a mr. o
my goal is to make panties wet not manties
p.s. females like slim aesthetic guys ie. guys who weigh 170-180 @ 6 foot with nice lines whereas f@gs like "bodybuilders"
-
The last time I was feeling douchey enough to measure my arms, they were over 20.5" pumped. But Im ashamed that I did this and speak of the experience infrequently. Thanks though 8)
what bf is that at? that is like pro size..
-
for you that's quite witty....
If that were me, I wouldn't be alive anymore..
-
If that were me, I wouldn't be alive anymore..
-
;D :D
-
what bf is that at? that is like pro size..
10%, my typical off season weight; I try to keep it no higher than this. Now my chest, that's another story....definitely NOT pro size. Brutal case of Evan Centopanni Syndrome :( I'd gladly give inches from my arms to get a thicker chest, but that's the roll of the dice I got so what can you do.
-
I give her a hug in return for 0.1% of her capital
-
oh wat 18 half inch arm at 240?? scram go to rxmuscle
Yeah, 18.5 is tiny , how can you even leave the house knowing your arms are so shamefully small? ::)
-
Yeah, 18.5 is tiny , how can you even leave the house knowing your arms are so shamefully small? ::)
Everyday when I leave the house I almost cry because my arms are not 20" and I am sure someone will notice and start laughing hysterically.
-
it doesn't matter who has the better physique
he takes more drugs and has better "size" genetics than me
here's the point... your muscles WILL NOT GET BIGGER UNLESS A HEAVIER TRAINING LOAD IS IMPOSED UPON THEM
listen, my training loads have hardly gone up, hence why i'm not much bigger but.... if my training loads would some how go up then yes, i would be bigger
christ dude! just coz i talk about increased training loads does not mean that i've done it myself duh!!!
DJ- no flame. You do not need to lift heavier weights to get bigger, but you will be able to lift heavier weights once you get bigger regardless of the weight you used to get there.
-
when you gonna finally realize the i don't want to be no bodybuilder or a mr. o
my goal is to make panties wet not manties
p.s. females like slim aesthetic guys ie. guys who weigh 170-180 @ 6 foot with nice lines whereas f@gs like "bodybuilders"
:D!
-
Yeah, 18.5 is tiny , how can you even leave the house knowing your arms are so shamefully small? ::)
18.5 On a 5'10 240lb frame , ::) , oh please , tell me more
-
20" On a 5'10 230lb frame , ::) , oh please , tell me more
Fixed for accuracy. 8)
-
Fixed for accuracy. 8)
so you're arms are as big as sergios ???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAQAAA AAADKSKDKGMGBLCJKJKDNX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.ilovebodybuilding.boo.pl/img2/sergiooliva/2.jpg)
-
DJ- no flame. You do not need to lift heavier weights to get bigger, but you will be able to lift heavier weights once you get bigger regardless of the weight you used to get there.
wish to fuck that was true, really i do
but... i've never got thicker muscles without imposing a greater training load upon them... never, and i'm dead serious
if one can do it, then they are very lucky and blessed
-
:D!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
physique artist FTW 8)
-
Interrupting (if I may) the "I'm better than you because I said so" thread;
Lateral raises are exceptional for building the outer head of the delt's. A alternative method may be to have the weight/resistance on the point of the elbow, taking a fuller advantage and the potential of delt strength and development. For most, performed correctly, the DB (or cable) raise can be rewarding but there still remains a chance of extra stress on joints and tendons. Extending and holding a weight out and away from the body may not the best idea for some, no matter how light the DB may seem. A extensive bend (not just a slight break) at the elbow can relieve a lot of that stress.
Might suggest a shoulder machine, with the elbows on pads and the resistance closer to the body; Nautilus would be first choice, with the should press bars included. Though there a other machines that can be considered. Even having resistance from a training partner, putting the pressure on the point of the elbows, can be a good movement.
Better BB exercise , for the lateral delt heads, would be the press behind the neck... a mass builder. Try not having too wide a grip on the bar and not lowering the bar below the middle to upper neck level. Both allow way too much stress on the joint structures of the shoulders. (though seen Olympic lifters jerk press 300lbs+ while the bar was resting on the shoulders as a regular part of training)
The Pre-exhause system works very well for the delts. Suggest lateral raises followed (no pause) with the press behind the neck (that above mentioned Nautilus shoulder machine is actually designed for a pre-exhause workout). Good Luck
.
-
so you're arms are as big as sergios ???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAQAAA AAADKSKDKGMGBLCJKJKDNX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.ilovebodybuilding.boo.pl/img2/sergiooliva/2.jpg)
I don't know his measurements. But I know I'm 18.5 cold on low carbs. High carbs + a pump and they're over 20". I know this measurement absolutely pains you to hear, but don't fret young man. It's not that big of a deal. Funny that you say fhat too! My coach actually says my insertions look similar to Sergio's, (Low peak, longer bi's, low Tricep insertion....he compares my arms to Sergio's all the times, but my chest to a teenage boys chest :D
I know this is making you melt hard but just remember measurements in bodybuilding mean absolutely nothing and I have never lied on this forum and never will, I could care less what a board full of gays and skinny boys like you believe or not. I was simply adding my experience and training opinions to this thread about delt training. Fact is everyone is wired differently and some have good bodyparts and others don't. I won't get into the size of my calves....you would have a brain aneurysm :)
-
me melting ??? lol
couldn't be further from the truth bro
you see, i'm finally starting to regain my old fromer glory of an outstanding torso (great pecs with wide lats) and this time around i actually got some arms to match this outstanding torso, so actually dude i'm quite happy :)
-
me melting ??? lol
couldn't be further from the truth bro
you see, i'm finally starting to regain my old fromer glory of an outstanding torso (great pecs with wide lats) and this time around i actually got some arms to match this outstanding torso, so actually dude i'm quite happy :)
I'm genuinely happy for you bro, hope this ups your self esteem somewhat so you won't feel so threatened by men with bigger arms than you.
-
lol
-
dj181 likes smaller sized whores with no hips.
-
me melting ??? lol
couldn't be further from the truth bro
you see, i'm finally starting to regain my old fromer glory of an outstanding torso (great pecs with wide lats) and this time around i actually got some arms to match this outstanding torso, so actually dude i'm quite happy :)
'OUTSTANDING TORSO' ;D..YOU ALWAYS HAVE CONFIDENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.I BET YOU GO TO A CARD GAME AND EXPECT A ROYAL STRAIGHT FLUSH
SOMETIME IN THE 1ST FEW DEALS.
-
wish to fuck that was true, really i do
but... i've never got thicker muscles without imposing a greater training load upon them... never, and i'm dead serious
if one can do it, then they are very lucky and blessed
same. thats all depended on doses
-
dj181 likes smaller sized whores with no hips.
yep, my weight limit is 110-115 pounds
my x-wifey was 95 pounds as was another x-girl of mine
my current girl is 100 pounds
all 3 females have/had round little bubble butts 8)
'OUTSTANDING TORSO' ;D..YOU ALWAYS HAVE CONFIDENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.I BET YOU GO TO A CARD GAME AND EXPECT A ROYAL FLUSH
SOMETIME IN THE 1ST FEW DEALS.
;D ;D ;D
and when i play blackjack i expect to hit it each hand 8)
-
yep, my weight limit is 110-115 pounds
my x-wifey was 95 pounds as was another x-girl of mine
my current girl is 100 pounds
all 3 females have/had round little bubble butts 8)
;D ;D ;D
and when i play blackjack i expect to hit it each hand 8)
You do go for petite women. I find athletic looking women who are reasonably tall most attractive. That's my fantasy woman. My real woman (my wife) is not athletic at all and never was....go figure. My wife was tall though when we met. She was 5'8". As we've both aged we've shrunk. I was just a shade under 6' back then.
-
You do go for petite women. I find athletic looking women who are reasonably tall most attractive. That's my fantasy woman. My real woman (my wife) is not athletic at all and never was....go figure. My wife was tall though when we met. She was 5'8". As we've both aged we've shrunk. I was just a shade under 6' back then.
when i was 19 i had an older woman teach me a few things, she was 5'11" and weighed 125
so yeah, she broke my weight limit, but i gave her a break seeing as she was so damn tall ;D
and yeah, she also had a nice round firm and athletic bubble ass 8)
-
'OUTSTANDING TORSO' ;D..YOU ALWAYS HAVE CONFIDENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.I BET YOU GO TO A CARD GAME AND EXPECT A ROYAL STRAIGHT FLUSH
SOMETIME IN THE 1ST FEW DEALS.
here's me with my current girl ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=492246.0;attach=534567;image)
-
here's me with my current girl ;D ;D ;D
Fixed it for you bro...
-
;D ;D ;D
-
Fixed it for you bro...
Haha, BOOOOOOMMM!!!
-
Fixed it for you bro...
LOL,,,
-
LOOOOOOOOOL AHAHAHHA
-
where da fuck is analblow ??? ??? ???
-
where da fuck is analblow ??? ??? ???
DISSAPEARED WEIRD,OR GIMMICK EXPIRED LOL...
-
he is/was very real (even if his STRUCTURE kinda sucked ass)
and hopefully he will return again 1 day........
-
he is/was very real (even if his STRUCTURE kinda sucked ass)
and hopefully he will return again 1 day........
It's not the best one, but not everyone has Coleman genetics ::)
You may have ('had', lol!) a better chest, but his overall structure is better than yours.
-
It's not the best one, but not everyone has Coleman genetics ::)
You may have ('had', lol!) a better chest, but his overall structure is better than yours.
you can't be serious ::)
i have a naturally smaller and narrower waist than him, also my shoulders are quite a bit broader (due to good and wide lats on me, and you will clearly see this come my next update pic ;)) and my joints are fucking tiny (legit 6 inch wrists baby!)
only che and dannyboy beat my structure on this site
-
in fact, my lats are even better than my chest 8)
in fact, i may just post up a lat shot here soon ;)
-
and seriously dripping piss, where the fuck is your pic?
sorry dude, but i don't and can't respect someone who talks shit about others physiques yet is too much of a goddamn fucking pussy to put up his own pic
-
you can't be serious ::)
i have a naturally smaller and narrower waist than him, also my shoulders are quite a bit broader (due to good and wide lats on me, and you will clearly see this come my next update pic ;)) and my joints are fucking tiny (legit 6 inch wrists baby!)
only che and dannyboy beat my structure on this site
DJ, there's one important think that you seem to forget, over and over again. Most of us want to build a bodybuilding physique, not a bodysculpting* physique. It's important for a bodybuilder to keep his waistline under control, but you became a bit obsessed with this. That having said, a 'good structure' is very relative.
* I use your own term here, and I respect individual goals.
-
and seriously dripping piss, where the fuck is your pic?
sorry dude, but i don't and can't respect someone who talks shit about others physiques yet is too much of a goddamn fucking pussy to put up his own pic
Stop the drama, DramaJane140, I don't need your respect & feel no need to compete, you immature boy ::)
-
here comes dripping piss to get the last words in ::)
and mark my words, he'll come back here and get the last words in, just you wait and see
talk about being fucking childish :D :D :D
-
here comes dripping piss to get the last words in ::)
and mark my words, he'll come back here and get the last words in, just you wait and see
talk about being fucking childish :D :D :D
Why lower yourself this much? Behave more humble, be less competitive and you receive much more respect.
-
my country, the US of A, taught me to be very competitive and that only the winners matter (basically, who gives a fuck who finishes 2nd)
and maybe this is why the US of A is the top dog in this world 8)
i guess holland teaches pussiness ie. don't try and win, just be equal and don't stand out FUCK THAT NOISE :D
-
and btw dude, i lay it on just a bit thick here and i'm really not such an arrogant asshole IRL ;)
-
The USA behaves like the top dog... (and gets more and more enemies because of this..)
I can post many insightful documentaries that show how sick "the land of the free is" (poverty, debt, crimes, environmental, racism, international politics, their police state and so on), but that's too much off-topic. If you enjoy your delusional superiority, well, then more "power" to you ::)
-
my country, the US of A, taught me to be very competitive and that only the winners matter (basically, who gives a fuck who finishes 2nd)
and maybe this is why the US of A is the top dog in this world 8)
i guess holland teaches pussiness ie. don't try and win, just be equal and don't stand out FUCK THAT NOISE :D
You're giving the USA a bad reputation by your behavior on this forum bro.
-a fellow citizen
-
You're giving the USA a bad reputation by your behavior on this forum bro.
-a fellow citizen
And now he's living in Europe and brags about his German heritage, the irony...
-
nice shoulder workout here... intresting Hand positions on the front and side raises. I tend to use Close grip upright rows for traps on back Day.. and rear delts with my shoulder workout. I agree with doing laterals before front press. I know some on here slag Charles Glass off but i like this Video.
-
You're giving the USA a bad reputation by your behavior on this forum bro.
-a fellow citizen
;D
but seriously, you don't think that usa pushes competition and winning at all costs?
-
;D
but seriously, you don't think that usa pushes competition and winning at all costs?
dj maybe one day i will cook you a real traditional Scottish Haggis...gotta catch the Fucker first.. ;D
-
dj maybe one day i will cook you a real traditional Scottish Haggis...gotta catch the Fucker first.. ;D
i once knew a pretty cool Scottish fella in Krakow, his name was Robin, and he actually made music that he created and sold (kinda folkish style) so he was a legit "artist" 8)
-
i once knew a pretty cool Scottish fella in Krakow, his name was Robin, and he actually made music that he created and sold (kinda folkish style) so he was a legit "artist" 8)
I am actually a good singer myself when i´m pissed out my tree... :D
-
Anyway you American Boys need to set me up with a nice American Baby doll. Nice Brown Skin...Looks great with a White panty ;)
-
Anyway you American Boys need to set me up with a nice American Baby doll. Nice Brown Skin...Looks great with a White panty ;)
Lobstah like? :P
-
my country, the US of A, taught me to be very competitive and that only the winners matter (basically, who gives a fuck who finishes 2nd)
and maybe this is why the US of A is the top dog in this world 8)
i guess holland teaches pussiness ie. don't try and win, just be equal and don't stand out FUCK THAT NOISE :D
can't fix stupid.
-
can't fix stupid.
who's stupid? american'ts, dutch boys or both ???
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/184/406104176_d47cbfc490_z.jpg)
(http://www.oldwoodtoys.com/images/StrongRollyDutchBoyR500.jpg)
(http://www.plainsimpleinformation.com/pictures/DollsPromo/DutchPromo1.JPG)
-
american'ts get to sniff a much higher quality product
-
Heavy seated DB shoulder presses.
Then focus on lateral and rear delt work... that's what'll round up your shoulders...
Standing single hand lateral raises, go heavy and focus on the tension, perfect form is bs, the function of the lateral delt is raising the arm.
And rear delt work, bent over raises/rows, reverse peck deck. They can be hard to grow for many people, some people will emphasize light weights, I think it should be a combination of both going heavy on some cheat reps and high rep lower/moderate weight. Everyone responds differently however...
Any kind of rowing back work will work rear delts too.
-
Heavy seated DB shoulder presses.
Then focus on lateral and rear delt work... that's what'll round up your shoulders...
Standing single hand lateral raises, go heavy and focus on the tension, perfect form is bs, the function of the lateral delt is raising the arm.
And rear delt work, bent over raises/rows, reverse peck deck. They can be hard to grow for many people, some people will emphasize light weights, I think it should be a combination of both going heavy on some cheat reps and high rep lower/moderate weight. Everyone responds differently however...
Any kind of rowing back work will work rear delts too.
good points...exactly how i would have put it...
-
Oh yeah almost forgot face pulls... and t row bar rowing will also work them too but hence any back work...
Rear delts are the hardest thing for me to grow, taking a lot of effort, while my front delts grow like weed and I barely work them as a result otherwise I concave in lol.. but focusing on laterals is what helped me round up my shoulders and make me wider too...
-
Oh yeah almost forgot face pulls... and t row bar rowing will also work them too but hence any back work...
Rear delts are the hardest thing for me to grow, taking a lot of effort, while my front delts grow like weed and I barely work them as a result otherwise I concave in lol.. but focusing on laterals is what helped me round up my shoulders and make me wider too...
nice finish is wide upright rows just to chest level or above a bit ,moderate weight higher reps 10-15.
-
would getbig agree that seated dumbel press is superior to seated barbell press? for delts?
i found out for chestorals dumbel bench press is vastly superior to barbell
-
presses hit front delts, stick with wide grip upright rows brother
p.s. my lats are growing like mad and it's making me damn wide 8) 8) 8)
-
barbell press sucks for shoulder health imo, it's asking for impingement issues especially with the upper cross syndrome most of us already have.
Don't you have any HS machines in bosnia or wherever you claim to live? I like the HS behind the neck press. DBs are good but the HS feels just as good without the need to swing the DBs up or deal with dropping them at the end of a set.
And you can go heavy and still get a decent MMC, unlike with dbs
-
barbell press sucks for shoulder health imo, it's asking for impingement issues especially with the upper cross syndrome most of us already have.
Don't you have any HS machines in bosnia or wherever you claim to live? I like the HS behind the neck press. DBs are good but the HS feels just as good without the need to swing the DBs up or deal with dropping them at the end of a set.
And you can go heavy and still get a decent MMC, unlike with dbs
Mawse, what's your profession? Spot on regarding the upper cross syndrome. Seems to go hand in hand with practically every weight lifter I see.
-
Mawse, what's your profession? Spot on regarding the upper cross syndrome. Seems to go hand in hand with practically every weight lifter I see.
I get paid to post on getbig , of course.
when im not doing that I make vidya games
trying to fix my thoracic extension, switched to a standing desk at work and I'm doing mobility work out the asshole but nothing seems to work. Are some of us just doomed to winged scaps and shitty posture?
-
I get paid to post on getbig , of course.
when im not doing that I make vidya games
trying to fix my thoracic extension, switched to a standing desk at work and I'm doing mobility work out the asshole but nothing seems to work. Are some of us just doomed to winged scaps and shitty posture?
Your knowledge of biomechanics and kinesiology for a videogame creator impresses me bro!
I could write a 10 page thesis on the question you asked. I've gotta study for the rest of the night, but I'll throw a few points up later when I get time.
Posture is a bitch to correct, especially if you're just becoming aware of it later in life. BUT it can be corrected. Much of the issue here has to do with muscle over activation and it's opposing weakness in the associated muscle group, hence the upper or lower cross syndromes. Most lifters have both, which is called stratification syndrome.
Best method is to perform a few sets of PNF/PIR stretching on the over activated muscles and focus on some exercises for the opposing weak muscles. You can find charts of these online so you know what muscles coordinate together.
Next is to work with no or minimal weight while going through the various movement patterns. This takes months....same way that learning how to deadlift properly takes months and years to perfect.
Next is addressing spinal health, (which is the most important in my very biased opinion.) You actual spinal column is a very complex Kinetic chain that works beautifully if properly aligned, meaning 3 healthy curves and vertebrae that can MOVE properly to displace and bear tremendous loads while protecting the integrity of the discs and nerve supply. If there is impingement on the nerve it will show a significant decrease in transmission of nerve impulse and your muscles will not "fire" as they should. There's a reason every pro sports team has a well paid Chiropractor on staff. If you've ever been under the care of a good D.C., you'll know what I mean about how much it improves your athletic performance.
If a spine is lacking the proper curves, a combo of specific adjustments, tractioning, and electro-stim therapies will restore the proper lordotic and kyphotic curvatures. I feel this is huge for overcoming movement pattern abnormalities. It's akin to trying to fit a square peg into a round hole if your spine doesn't move how it's meant to and you are an athlete.
Keep doing what you're doing regarding the mobility exercised! I like www.mobilitywod.com, great stuff on that site.
Cliffs: NO! You're not doomed to have a crappy posture and poor movement patterns. Your spine is MALLEABLE.
8)
-
I get paid to post on getbig , of course.
when im not doing that I make vidya games
trying to fix my thoracic extension, switched to a standing desk at work and I'm doing mobility work out the asshole but nothing seems to work. Are some of us just doomed to winged scaps and shitty posture?
Also for the winged scapula, you either have some form of neuropathy affecting your Long Thoracic nerve, or more than likely since im guessing this is a bilateral issue, your Serratus Anterior muscle is just weak. My favorite exercise for people to perform when they have bilateral winged scapulae is to get in the pushup position, go all the way down, all the way up, and then "press" through an extra 2-3" while your arms are locked out. This is called a Pushup Plus, and will hammer your serratus'. Ill do sets of 15-20 reps slow and controlled after a chest workout and my serratus are screaming.
-
OK, upper cross syndrome is new to me....explain.
-
Very useful stuff chiro, thank you - my art chiro is a big proponent of mobility work so I try to do a lot but my wo time is limited nowadays so I can't do the stuff i used to... So of course I hurt my lower back doing front squats last week as I wasn't mobile enough to go atg but did it anyway :(
I'll do the scap push-ups every day? Or just on push days?
-
shit you rocket surgeons need to dumb this down for me
so do i do dumbel press or machine press? we only have that awkward rocking "hoist" shoulder press machine
(http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1308469/24933286/0/1331002546/Hoist_Plate_Loaded_Fitness_Equipment_Shoulder_Press_R07.jpg)
-
Very useful stuff chiro, thank you - my art chiro is a big proponent of mobility work so I try to do a lot but my wo time is limited nowadays so I can't do the stuff i used to... So of course I hurt my lower back doing front squats last week as I wasn't mobile enough to go atg but did it anyway :(
I'll do the scap push-ups every day? Or just on push days?
Good stuff! ART is awesome! I get it done twice a week myself.
I'm in the same boat as you. I'm flat out lazy when it comes to stretching and "pre-hab". Just in the last few months have I began dedicating a 10-15 minute period post workout to stretch and go through some mobility exercises. Ive noticed that The bigger I physically grow from bodybuilding, the worse any pre existing issues become. So I'm having to force myself to focus on this stuff.
Sucks about your squatting injury man....this is why I'm more disciplined lately because I know these over activated tight muscles are a ticking time bomb, an injury waiting to happen.
It logically makes sense to me to train your serratus with your chest and back workouts. You don't even need to perform the push up portion on back day and could just isolate the last few inches of the movement and do this on your back day. So as long as you're doing it a few times a week I would say that's adequate muscle activation.
-
shit you rocket surgeons need to dumb this down for me
so do i do dumbel press or machine press? we only have that awkward rocking "hoist" shoulder press machine
(http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1308469/24933286/0/1331002546/Hoist_Plate_Loaded_Fitness_Equipment_Shoulder_Press_R07.jpg)
I had the same brand in my previous gym. Just avoid this crap with moving seats and stick to free weights.
-
I get paid to post on getbig , of course.
;D ;D ;D
-
shit you rocket surgeons need to dumb this down for me
so do i do dumbel press or machine press? we only have that awkward rocking "hoist" shoulder press machine
(http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1308469/24933286/0/1331002546/Hoist_Plate_Loaded_Fitness_Equipment_Shoulder_Press_R07.jpg)
Best looking wheel chair I have seen in years.
-
Best looking wheel chair I have seen in years.
HAHAHA!!
-
Best looking wheel chair I have seen in years.
how many sets would you recommend for it?
-
how many sets would you recommend for it?
10 sets on these to failure..
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBkOxOmowk0UXbG9QKpWdB_qPAzz6zPjHKDq27AynLz8-26X14pA)
-
are those song lyrics?
fyi, here's the best lyrics...
"you invent the future that you want to face" 8)
-
are those song lyrics?
fyi, here's the best lyrics...
"you invent the future that you want to face" 8)
Quality song, I should listen more often to these works.
-
shit you rocket surgeons need to dumb this down for me
so do i do dumbel press or machine press? we only have that awkward rocking "hoist" shoulder press machine
(http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1308469/24933286/0/1331002546/Hoist_Plate_Loaded_Fitness_Equipment_Shoulder_Press_R07.jpg)
lol the machine has everything BUT weights, awesome.
-
lol the machine has everything BUT weights, awesome.
you can load it up with a ton of 25kg plates ::)
-
you can load it up with a ton of 25kg plates ::)
..which makes it a badass wheelchair.
-
Those hoist machines make me feel like a little kid in a playground with the way they bounce up and down
beyond retarded
-
Those hoist machines make me feel like a little kid in a playground with the way they bounce up and down
beyond retarded
x2...all their equipment's chair bounce up and down lol
-
Damn delts are not that difficult side laterals, a press movement, and rear laterals not rocket science.
-
Damn delts are not that difficult side laterals, a press movement, and rear laterals not rocket science.
x1000
-
Damn delts are not that difficult side laterals, a press movement, and rear laterals not rocket science.
delts get more than enough work from dips, rows and other pec and back work
these deads that i've added to my training and making me damn wide and i'm not sure if it's from the lat work of them or the shoulder work, here's a vid discussing deads delt work 8) 8) 8)
-
i am of the the opinion shoulders if you do a lot heavy benching and rowing movements need very little training on there own maybe a few sets side laterals,dumbell. I got this from powerlifting lots of the strongest benchers in the world do very little shoulder training it maybe consists of fronts raises and laterals i suspect its more popular in bodybuilding also the shoulders take a pounding on other bodyparts easy to injure.
-
i am of the the opinion shoulders if you do a lot heavy benching and rowing movements need very little training on there own maybe a few sets side laterals,dumbell. I got this from powerlifting lots of the strongest benchers in the world do very little shoulder training it maybe consists of fronts raises and laterals i suspect its more popular in bodybuilding also the shoulders take a pounding on other bodyparts easy to injure.
THIS
2 of the widest dudes at my gym were bench specalists and they did near zero direct delt work, in fact the only delt work they did was rotator cuff work
-
todays delt workout was typical
4 sets of seated military, 6-10 reps with 70kg (first set 10 reps and then less)
4 sets of seated dumbell press 6-10 reps 30kg
4 sets bent over dumbel raise about 8-10 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets of standing dumbel raise 8-12 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets chest on bench rear delt raises dumbels 8-12 reps with the 12kg ones
4 sets of delt machine with the cushions on the elbows to take the elbow joint and forearm out of the picture 8-12 reps
Once you've finished the 1st exercize, you should be sufficiently warmed up. Why the hell are you doing warm up/pyramid sets on anything beyond your 1st exercize?
-
the other day i did delts and tricepts
4 sets rear delt raise dumbell chest on bench
4 sets seated dumbel pres
4 sets side lateral machine (pads on bent elbows)
4 sets of weighted dips
4sets of skull crushers
4 sets of dumbel double hand skull crushers
this was on friday and my triceps are still painful as hell
soon.................... ...
-
;D
-
53 sets on delts should do the trick.
-
53 sets on delts should do the trick.
i'll hit delts tomorrow along with back and bis and all i'll do is 1 or 2 hard sets of wide grip upright rows for delts
that's it
-
;D
soon i will have triceps, they already have some minor stretch marks in the inside ( but i going to erase them with cocoa butter before they get severe, dennis wolf lat stetch marks are really distracting i dont want to repeat that mistake at the olympia)
i did 50kg added weight for sets of 12 on full rom dips
when you can do this with 100kg you should have full triceps
-
i'll hit delts tomorrow along with back and bis and all i'll do is 1 or 2 hard sets of wide grip upright rows for delts
that's it
This is good Mentzer approved.
-
This is good Mentzer approved.
no it isnt
mike explicitely said that DOING A SECOND SET IS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE YOU CAN MAKE
IT IS NOT A BINARY ADDITION ONE-ONE, IT IS A DOUBLING, DOUBLE OF WHAT IT TAKES TO TRIGGER THE GROWTH MECHANISM AND THUS SEVERE AND GROTESQUE OVER TRAINING
-
This is good Mentzer approved.
the key is to increase the training loads on them, which i've done, as i started with 40 kg for 8 reps and just last workout i did 60 kg for 6 reps 8)
soon i will have triceps, they already have some minor stretch marks in the inside ( but i going to erase them with cocoa butter before they get severe, dennis wolf lat stetch marks are really distracting i dont want to repeat that mistake at the olympia)
i did 50kg added weight for sets of 12 on full rom dips
when you can do this with 100kg you should have full triceps
50 kg for 12 is damn good! PROPS 8)
100 kg for 12 is elite status as there's maybe less than 1% of the training population that can do that
-
the key is to increase the training loads on them, which i've done, as i started with 40 kg for 8 reps and just last workout i did 60 kg for 6 reps 8)
50 kg for 12 is damn good! PROPS 8)
100 kg for 12 is elite status as there's maybe less than 1% of the training population that can do that
that doesnt make any sense
because dipping strength should be somewhat proportionate tobenching strength and i just do 50kg dumbells for 12, while colemane did 90kg dumbells
oh wait it does then, then i guess ronnie couldnt do more than 100kg dips
-
that doesnt make any sense
because dipping strength should be somewhat proportionate tobenching strength and i just do 50kg dumbells for 12, while colemane did 90kg dumbells
oh wait it does then, then i guess ronnie couldnt do more than 100kg dips
casey v claimed to be able to do dips with 140 kg round his waist
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/401888.1125322182087.Ray_doing_dips_gold__s1979.jpg)
(http://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/CaseyViatorCurls.jpg)
-
casey v claimed to be able to do dips with 140 kg round his waist
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/401888.1125322182087.Ray_doing_dips_gold__s1979.jpg)
(http://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/CaseyViatorCurls.jpg)
i know for a fact there are some (world class) lighter bench presser who do 100kg for reps
how many reps is not listed
but considering theyre powerlifter i'd say 5
-
todays delt workout was typical
4 sets of seated military, 6-10 reps with 70kg (first set 10 reps and then less)
4 sets of seated dumbell press 6-10 reps 30kg
4 sets bent over dumbel raise about 8-10 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets of standing dumbel raise 8-12 reps 16kg then 14kg
4 sets chest on bench rear delt raises dumbels 8-12 reps with the 12kg ones
4 sets of delt machine with the cushions on the elbows to take the elbow joint and forearm out of the picture 8-12 reps
bluto isn't banned again yet?
-
Damn it all you need is side laterals, a press and back laterals gets all three heads. Clowns will say more.
-
Damn it all you need is side laterals, a press and back laterals gets all three heads. Clowns will say more.
in that order?
greg valentino said ALWAYS REAR DELTS FIRST
-
i know for a fact there are some (world class) lighter bench presser who do 100kg for reps
how many reps is not listed
but considering theyre powerlifter i'd say 5
I did five with 225 paused, 270 for a single, my tris suck :( dips aren't a great tri exercise IMO at least not for me
Should i post a vid before some snarky twink tries to call me out again and fails miserably?
-
bluto isn't banned again yet?
welcome back brother
you hook up with any hot asians sluts lately? ;D
(http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2012/july/asian/hot_asian_girls_2.jpg)
-
For Chaos: from my physiotherapy notes....
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/117d5188d4861534e540fa905fefdfc4.jpg)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/3f6e9d8db8040bcf61bacec356088035.jpg)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/055a4226a50eec3ce7b48d02726e5886.jpg)
This is 3 pages from a 60 page text on Cross Syndrome. Guaranteed, You have it. 95% of lifters have some form of it.
-
Hmmm. Not sure ??? I don't think so.
-
Hmmm. Not sure ??? I don't think so.
I promise that you do :)
The only lifters who don't have this are the ones who are actively stretching for 10's of minutes every single day in conjunction with a plethora or other therapeutic modalities.
Me personally, I've never seen a single lifter in my gym (hardcore PLing and BBing gym) who doesn't have some form, and MOST exhibit Stratification Syndrome (upper + lower cross). Easiest check is put them through a few motor patten screens. They all fail miserably. I don't have much good to say about crossfit but they tend to be better off when if comes to this topic.
-
I promise that you do :)
The only lifters who don't have this are the ones who are actively stretching for 10's of minutes every single day in conjunction with a plethora or other therapeutic modalities.
Me personally, I've never seen a single lifter in my gym (hardcore PLing and BBing gym) who doesn't have some form, and MOST exhibit Stratification Syndrome (upper + lower cross). Easiest check is put them through a few motor patten screens. They all fail miserably. I don't have much good to say about crossfit but they tend to be better off when if comes to this topic.
I actually stretch quite a bit everyday, shoulders/back particularly. Can I self test?
-
todays workout (delt and tris)
4 sets of seated dumbel press
4 sets of standing side dumbel raise
4 sets of rear dumbel raise chest on bench
3 sets of weighted dips
3 sets of french curl
3 sets of seated single arm overhead dumbel extension
thanks to getbig i know the right way to train now
-
I actually stretch quite a bit everyday, shoulders/back particularly. Can I self test?
it would be hard/impossible to self-assess I think. I'm not sure how I could do it on myself even.
Like for example: hip extension... the doctor needs to Palpate the muscles to fire in the correct sequence: ipsilateral hamstring, ipsilateral Glute, contralateral spinal erectors, ipsilateral spinal erectors. Most guys are gonna have some deviation from the proper sequence due to an instability issue.
You're ahead of the pack if you are stretching every day though 8)
-
it would be hard/impossible to self-assess I think. I'm not sure how I could do it on myself even.
Like for example: hip extension... the doctor needs to Palpate the muscles to fire in the correct sequence: ipsilateral hamstring, ipsilateral Glute, contralateral spinal erectors, ipsilateral spinal erectors. Most guys are gonna have some deviation from the proper sequence due to an instability issue.
You're ahead of the pack if you are stretching every day though 8)
I have become ocd about it. Throughout the day I constantly stretch something from fingers to calves. :(
-
I have become ocd about it. Throughout the day I constantly stretch something from fingers to calves. :(
Would love to perform some Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation stretching on you one day. No homo.
-
todays workout (delt and tris)
4 sets of seated dumbel press
4 sets of standing side dumbel raise
4 sets of rear dumbel raise chest on bench
3 sets of weighted dips
3 sets of french curl
3 sets of seated single arm overhead dumbel extension
thanks to getbig i know the right way to train now
have your training poundages gone up?
-
have your training poundages gone up?
i think so i'm using 40kg dumbels for sets of 10 in military press
50kg weighted dips for 12-9-10 reps today
french curls with 20kg on each side of the EZ bar for 8 - 10 reps
-
i think so i'm using 40kg dumbels for sets of 10 in military press
50kg weighted dips for 12-9-10 reps today
french curls with 20kg on each side of the EZ bar for 8 - 10 reps
good stuff
soon.................... ........
-
good stuff
soon.................... ........
i want to go out this weekend to find whores
but i'm not sure how i can sneak out at night without gf noticing
since she wakes up a lot in the night for baby she will notice i'm gone :-\
i feel like i'm trapped like a prisoner
-
Would love to perform some Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation stretching on you one day. No homo.
Does that involve unprotected skin to skin contact?
-
Does that involve unprotected skin to skin contact?
Yes but it's all in the name of science.
:D
-
i want to go out this weekend to find whores
but i'm not sure how i can sneak out at night without gf noticing
since she wakes up a lot in the night for baby she will notice i'm gone :-\
i feel like i'm trapped like a prisoner
Step out of that victim role, you give her the power to control your life.
-
well put chiro .. ;) backed it up too
-
well put chiro .. ;) backed it up too
Thanks bud 8)
-
I have become ocd about it. Throughout the day I constantly stretch something from fingers to calves. :(
how about your 'rod''no homo'
-
how about your 'rod''no homo'
X2 give us an update bro
-
Upright rows work for me. If you can upright row +135 for reps keeping your elbows high and always above the bar your shoulders will grow, as much as they can. 135 should be easy.
-
X2 give us an update bro
DAT avatar :D
-
Upright rows work for me. If you can upright row +135 for reps keeping your elbows high and always above the bar your shoulders will grow, as much as they can. 135 should be easy.
that's how much i use, but it ain't so easy :D
-
that's how much i use, but it ain't so easy :D
Does this weight count if you are using cable? I think I do more than that. I could be wrong since I am old and forgetful and it has been more than a month since I have done any training at the gym.
-
Does this weight count if you are using cable? I think I do more than that. I could be wrong since I am old and forgetful and it has been more than a month since I have done any training at the gym.
not sure, i do them via barbell and i use a wide-grip and pull the bell up to my lower pecs
-
and analblow, here's a tip for ya brosef
work your upper lats to create the illusion of width
it's strange but since i've been doing deads my upper lats have really started to spread and it making me look pretty damn wide 8)
-
and analblow, here's a tip for ya brosef
work your upper lats to create the illusion of width
it's strange but since i've been doing deads my upper lats have really started to spread and it making me look pretty damn wide 8)
You blow too much, put the spliff down.
-
You blow too much, put the spliff down.
??? ??? ???
so it must be a coincidence that i'm having many people tell me how wide i'm getting
sure thing man, sure thing
-
when i deadlifted 5x200kg as a to the death natural warrior i was the king of narrowness
your theory on this one is shit at least it didnt apply in my case
could be, but i have no other reason for my lat width to expand like it did, since i only do very light pulldowns and that's basically it for lats
supposedly the mid to top part of the deadlift is lat power
-
DO CHINS/PULLUPS IF U WANT OR CREAT ILLUSION WIDER LATS.ESPECIALLY WARM UP BEFORE DOING YOUR ROW MOVEMENTS..
-
DO CHINS/PULLUPS IF U WANT OR CREAT ILLUSION WIDER LATS.ESPECIALLY WARM UP BEFORE DOING YOUR ROW MOVEMENTS..
i just do wide grip pulldowns to the front with a rather pansyass weight
tomorrow is bench and i'll probably be lucky to get 10 reps with 70 kg lol
a few months ago i was doing 10 reps with 90 kg but now my pecs are thicker and fuller than they were 2 months ago ??? ??? ???
the power of dbol i guess ;D ;D ;D
-
could be, but i have no other reason for my lat width to expand like it did, since i only do very light pulldowns and that's basically it for lats
supposedly the mid to top part of the deadlift is lat power
Deadlifts don't make you wide. They hit Romboids, and Erector Spinal muscles mainly. It must be something else you are doing.
-
Barbell rows will make you thick and wide. the Erectors too.
-
Barbell rows will make you thick and wide. the Erectors too.
Barbell rows are a king exercise for back if you do them correctly most don't, you have to keep the low back flat and dont round it off. But agreed.
-
flat not arched
most people arch too much like lordosis
True.
-
describe ideal form to me
if you can find a video of ideal form please show
be very very detailed plz
Squat over the bar, arms extended, pull in between ribs and waist, keep low back flat a major key, a producer of back thickness and width as well.
-
dorian says YOU GOTTA ARCH THE SPINE FOR THE LATS CONTRACT
what is it now, flat or arched?........................ ...............
and he says the upper body doesnt move but starts moving it right away
I think either will work I did best with flat the key is to lock the low back don't pull with lower back pull with lats and romboids. Just keep the low back stationary don't make it a deadlift. Its a very difficult exercise to master but if you do you will reaps benefits.
-
Barbell rows are the best . i do them old School bent over parallel. i do like them with a supinated grip like dorian but at the angle he says i find not good for my back. I agree with mr noboddy.
-
Deadlifts don't make you wide. They hit Romboids, and Erector Spinal muscles mainly. It must be something else you are doing.
must just be my genetics then
i'm at 10 reps with 50kg dumbells and supreme colemanesque form
i can really feel the chestoral fibars fire away
barbell bench is a waste of time
50 kg for 10 reps is damn impressive for db bench, but why use such heavyass weight if you don't need to
i'm gonna lighten up my training loads on all lifts except the squat, bench and dead and see what happens
basically just pump away on the minor lifts and see if the dbol will thicken the fibers without excessive laoding
yesterday i did bis and tris and really went pussyass on the tris and they looked out-fucking-standing when i finished up :o
it's nice to pump with easy weights and watch the females checking ya out ;D ;D ;D
-
I do them every workout Some weeks,then switch to tbar,but I row,row,row all forms builds a thick back,need outer,middle,upper to traps,there are many movements,1 movement like dj181 says he does is not enough.build a big back ,unless you want a torso with little balls for delts and some arms hanging of a slender torso .big pecs/back cornerstone.
-
must just be my genetics then
50 kg for 10 reps is damn impressive for db bench, but why use such heavyass weight if you don't need to
i'm gonna lighten up my training loads on all lifts except the squat, bench and dead and see what happens
basically just pump away on the minor lifts and see if the dbol will thicken the fibers without excessive laoding
yesterday i did bis and tris and really went pussyass on the tris and they looked out-fucking-standing when i finished up :o
it's nice to pump with easy weights and watch the females checking ya out ;D ;D ;D
03:57
[ Invalid YouTube link ]
-
I do them every workout Some weeks,then switch to tbar,but I row,row,row all forms builds a thick back,need outer,middle,upper to traps,there are many movements,1 movement like dj181 says he does is not enough.build a big back ,unless you want a torso with little balls for delts and some arms hanging of a slender torso .big pecs/back cornerstone.
it seems like you gotta train different while on the sause
this pushing heavier and heavier loads works for naturals to some degree, but it seems that roiders can get away with more volume and lesser weights, i think...
guess that i gotta test this shit out
-
it seems like you gotta train different while on the sause
this pushing heavier and heavier loads works for naturals to some degree, but it seems that roiders can get away with more volume and lesser weights, i think...
guess that i gotta test this shit out
LOOK LISTEN VERY VERY CAREFULLY
A NATURAL FEELS A COMPULSION TO LIFT HEAVY BECAUSE HIS IMPROVED NEUROMUSCULAR EFFICIENCY HE WILL DEVELOP THIS WAY WILL GIVE THE ILLUSION OF ACTUAL MUSCULAR GROWTH OR BRUTE STRENGTH
IN FACT THERE IS VERY LITTLE IF ANY AT ALL HAPENING OF BOTH
YOU ARE SIMPLY GETTING MORE EFFICIENT AT THE MOTION YOU DO ALL THE FUCKING TIME OVER AND OVER WITH LOW REPS
THEREFOR YOU THINK YOU ARE NOW GETTING RESULTS THANKS TO SO CALLED HEAVY TRAINING
WHEN LIFTING LIGHT YOU DIDNT GET ANY GAINS NOT EVEN AN ILLUSION OF GAINS LIKE WITH THE SO CALLED HEAVY WEIGHTS
SO THEN LONG TIME NATURALS START TO BELIEVE POWERLIFTING IS THE SECRET TO NATURAL BODYBUILDING WHEN THEY COULDNT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH
THEY LOOK AT JUICED UP BBERS PUMPING SEEMINGLY LIGHT WEIGHTS BUT ACTUALLY THEY ARE DOING A LOT MORE VOLUME A LOT LESS REST A LOT BETTER REP QUALITY WHICH MAKES IT HARDER
SO THE DELUSIONAL NATURAL THINKS HE TRAINS PROPORTIONALLY HEAVIER THAN THESE GUYS AND GETS EVEN MORE DELUDED
WHILE IN FACT HES ALL EGO LIFTING A FEW SHIT REPS WITH SO MUCH TIME IN BETWEEN REPS ON LOCKED JOINTS IT CANT EVEN BE CALLED A SET
ONCE NATURAL STARTS JUICING UP AND APPLYING BB PRINCIPLES HE FINALLY GETS IT
-
thanks chief
-
so you're saying a roider should train with volume then right?
how much volume then?
how many sets and how many reps and how many exercises per bodypart?
wienborn said something about 60-120 reps per large muscle group and 30-60 reps for small muscle groups
i'm just training for cosmetic effects nowdays, goal is to look something like this but not so massive
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_54-NTDxxdFo/ShwvdmgTYqI/AAAAAAAAABk/LKvJ9f7WV-I/s320/DonHoworth.jpg)
-
bodybuilding is a mystery there are no answers only questions
the only thing that is a fact is that steroids are required
a pretty damn intelligent and insightful post right there brosef
i'm impressed
-
For Chaos: from my physiotherapy notes....
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/117d5188d4861534e540fa905fefdfc4.jpg)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/3f6e9d8db8040bcf61bacec356088035.jpg)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/055a4226a50eec3ce7b48d02726e5886.jpg)
This is 3 pages from a 60 page text on Cross Syndrome. Guaranteed, You have it. 95% of lifters have some form of it.
My right hammie, ass cheek and low back are now tight since I've read this........ >:(
-
i'm saying a natural can never progress
and once you get on roids pretty much everything will work but you gotta figure out what you react best to
the quality of your reps and sets are probably more important than the amount of reps and setss
bodybuilding is a mystery there are no answers only questions
the only thing that is a fact is that steroids are required
Bodybuilding philosophy at it's finest!
-
Bodybuilding philosophy at it's finest!
yep
he's another Jean-Paul Sarte
-
My right hammie, ass cheek and low back are now tight since I've read this........ >:(
Possibly related to "extracurricular activities" bro?
-
Possibly related to "extracurricular activities" bro?
:D
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/82f7dcb565a0ac23c62f3f13971004b3.jpg)
-
Possibly related to "extratesticular activities" bro?
fixed.
-
:D
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/82f7dcb565a0ac23c62f3f13971004b3.jpg)
LOL!!!