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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1651 on: February 20, 2020, 05:47:25 AM »
They are going to be bringing the knives out for that guy in this next debate, you just watch.

He could spend 50 billion and I still don't think it would be enough. Like you said, too much baggage.

Spot on.

As a CEO, Bloomberg is used to having his ass kissed all day. He just wasn’t used to that type of hostility. Plus, these people were debate tested as they already had a few races under their belt.

It was unanimous that he shit the bed.

His poll numbers are probably going to plummet.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1652 on: February 20, 2020, 05:57:52 AM »
Bloomberg was awful, but attacking him about his money is wrong.

His point about Bernie being a millionaire with 3 houses was strong.

Mayor Pete is the most well spoken and articulate and backs up his points.  He's the only one saying "it's not about beating Trump, if the one who wins is equally divisive".  He's right.

Warren just attacks and goes for "gotcha" moments.

Biden is meh, and I still think he has a shot.

Klobuchar always sounds like she's about to cry and is shaking when she debates.

None of them really inspire.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1653 on: February 20, 2020, 08:59:44 AM »

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1655 on: February 20, 2020, 12:32:31 PM »
Bloomberg surpasses Warren in major endorsements after debate debut
NBC "News" ^ | February 20, 2020 | by Liz Brown-Kaiser
Posted on 2/20/2020, 3:28:05 PM


Mike Bloomberg has officially surpassed Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., in presidential endorsements from members of Congress and governors after his debut on the debate stage Wednesday night.

With the Nevada caucuses set for Saturday, Warren still does not have any major endorsements from politicians in the Silver State. Bloomberg will not be on the ballot in Nevada.

Joe Biden is the sole Democratic candidate with formal support from a Nevadan. Rep. Steven Horsford, the Democratic member for NV-04, endorsed the former Vice President on February 14. Biden leads the pack with a whopping 49 official backings from members of the House and Senate, along with governors of several states.

Bloomberg picked up three endorsements Thursday following his first debate appearance, stealing Warren’s second place spot. The former New York City mayor has a total of 17 endorsements — 16 from U.S. Representatives and one from Rhode Island’s Democratic governor.

Warren now takes the bronze for endorsements with 14 in total.

Bloomberg’s latest endorsements came from Democratic Reps. Josh Gottheimer, Pete Aguilar, and Nita Lowey of New Jersey, California, and New York respectively.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1656 on: February 20, 2020, 12:48:36 PM »
Bloomberg surpasses Warren in major endorsements after debate debut
NBC "News" ^ | February 20, 2020 | by Liz Brown-Kaiser
Posted on 2/20/2020, 3:28:05 PM


Mike Bloomberg has officially surpassed Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., in presidential endorsements from members of Congress and governors after his debut on the debate stage Wednesday night.

With the Nevada caucuses set for Saturday, Warren still does not have any major endorsements from politicians in the Silver State. Bloomberg will not be on the ballot in Nevada.

Joe Biden is the sole Democratic candidate with formal support from a Nevadan. Rep. Steven Horsford, the Democratic member for NV-04, endorsed the former Vice President on February 14. Biden leads the pack with a whopping 49 official backings from members of the House and Senate, along with governors of several states.

Bloomberg picked up three endorsements Thursday following his first debate appearance, stealing Warren’s second place spot. The former New York City mayor has a total of 17 endorsements — 16 from U.S. Representatives and one from Rhode Island’s Democratic governor.

Warren now takes the bronze for endorsements with 14 in total.

Bloomberg’s latest endorsements came from Democratic Reps. Josh Gottheimer, Pete Aguilar, and Nita Lowey of New Jersey, California, and New York respectively.

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Sounds like people know the Democrats need a more moderate candidate in order to have any chance.
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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1657 on: February 20, 2020, 01:19:22 PM »
No, Bernie Sanders, most voters aren't comfortable with socialism
CNN ^ | February 20, 2020 | Zachary B. Wolf
Posted on 2/20/2020, 9:15:03 AM


This is the moment for the ultimate question of the Bernie Sanders movement: is the United States ready for a socialist President?

At Wednesday's Democratic presidential debate, Sanders defended himself as a socialist (he calls himself a democratic socialist) and then dismissed a recent poll that suggested Americans do not have a favorable view of socialism. Who was leading in that poll, he asked the debate moderator? He was, although the moderator didn't know it. The moment allowed Sanders to skate with the impression that it doesn't matter that Americans oppose socialism because clearly they like him.

Polling does suggest discomfort with a socialist President

It is true the Sanders was leading in the poll, conducted by the Wall Street Journal and NBC -- but only among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents when asked who they supported for the Democratic nomination. He had 27% support compared to Mike Bloomberg, Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, each with 14% support. And in a hypothetical matchup, he was narrowly ahead of President Donald Trump.

But two-thirds of all voters -- Democrats plus everyone else -- said they would be uncomfortable with a socialist President. Come November, it will be all Americans over the age of 18 who elect the Electoral College that picks the President. Those results and the questions they raise about whether the country would accept a socialist are repeated in an NPR / PBS News Hour Marist poll. In that poll, Sanders had even more support -- 31% in the Democratic primary compared to Michael Bloomberg, in second place with 19%. Take a look at the party breakdown regarding socialism. Fifty percent of Democrats have a favorable view of socialism compared to 46% who have a favorable view of capitalism.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1658 on: February 20, 2020, 01:23:40 PM »
Sounds like people know the Democrats need a more moderate candidate in order to have any chance.

They don't have one. 

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1659 on: February 20, 2020, 01:25:05 PM »
They don't have one. 

Relatively speaking, of course.
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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1660 on: February 20, 2020, 01:31:37 PM »
Relatively speaking, of course.

Yeah.  Whichever person wins the nomination is already so far left they are well outside of the mainstream.  Definitely not going to attract independents and crossover Republicans. 

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1661 on: February 20, 2020, 03:43:27 PM »
Bloomberg was awful, but attacking him about his money is wrong.

His point about Bernie being a millionaire with 3 houses was strong.

Mayor Pete is the most well spoken and articulate and backs up his points.  He's the only one saying "it's not about beating Trump, if the one who wins is equally divisive".  He's right.

Warren just attacks and goes for "gotcha" moments.

Biden is meh, and I still think he has a shot.

Klobuchar always sounds like she's about to cry and is shaking when she debates.

None of them really inspire.



I’ve read in a few places that Warren was an attack dog because she’s going to be Bernie’s VP.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1662 on: February 20, 2020, 04:01:51 PM »
No, Bernie Sanders, most voters aren't comfortable with socialism
CNN ^ | February 20, 2020 | Zachary B. Wolf
Posted on 2/20/2020, 9:15:03 AM


This is the moment for the ultimate question of the Bernie Sanders movement: is the United States ready for a socialist President?

At Wednesday's Democratic presidential debate, Sanders defended himself as a socialist (he calls himself a democratic socialist) and then dismissed a recent poll that suggested Americans do not have a favorable view of socialism. Who was leading in that poll, he asked the debate moderator? He was, although the moderator didn't know it. The moment allowed Sanders to skate with the impression that it doesn't matter that Americans oppose socialism because clearly they like him.

Polling does suggest discomfort with a socialist President

It is true the Sanders was leading in the poll, conducted by the Wall Street Journal and NBC -- but only among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents when asked who they supported for the Democratic nomination. He had 27% support compared to Mike Bloomberg, Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, each with 14% support. And in a hypothetical matchup, he was narrowly ahead of President Donald Trump.

But two-thirds of all voters -- Democrats plus everyone else -- said they would be uncomfortable with a socialist President. Come November, it will be all Americans over the age of 18 who elect the Electoral College that picks the President. Those results and the questions they raise about whether the country would accept a socialist are repeated in an NPR / PBS News Hour Marist poll. In that poll, Sanders had even more support -- 31% in the Democratic primary compared to Michael Bloomberg, in second place with 19%. Take a look at the party breakdown regarding socialism. Fifty percent of Democrats have a favorable view of socialism compared to 46% who have a favorable view of capitalism.

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Bernie Sanders last night:

“Real change never takes place from the top on down, never takes place from an oligarchy controlled by billionaires.”

Hugo Chazez and his billionaire daughter would disagree.  They effected real change in Venezuela.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1663 on: February 20, 2020, 04:32:44 PM »

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Warren Urges Arizona to Reject ‘Cruel’ Bill Banning Males from Competing in Female Sports
National Review ^ | February 20, 2020 | By MAIREAD MCARDLE
Posted on 2/20/2020, 4:32:36 PM by Oldeconomybuyer

Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren on Thursday decried an Arizona bill that would prevent biological males from competing in girls sports, calling the legislation “cruel.”

“Trans athletes are not a threat,” Warren wrote in a tweet. “We need to protect trans kids - and all LGBTQ+ kids - and ensure they feel safe and welcomed at school. I urge the Arizona legislature to reject this cruel bill.”

The “Save Women’s Sports Act” would assign high-school students to interscholastic and intramural leagues by their “biological sex” rather than the gender with which they identify, grouping biological females together and likewise for biological males.

The bill, introduced by state representative Nancy Barto, a Phoenix Republican, and co-sponsored by 22 other GOP state legislators, is intended to protect female athletes from competing against athletes who possess an unfair advantage over them, Barto claims.

“Female student-athletes should not be forced to compete in a sport against biological males, who possess inherent physiological advantages. When this is allowed, it discourages female participation in athletics and, worse, it can result in women and girls being denied crucial educational and financial opportunities,” Barto said.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1664 on: February 20, 2020, 05:15:13 PM »
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Warren Urges Arizona to Reject ‘Cruel’ Bill Banning Males from Competing in Female Sports
National Review ^ | February 20, 2020 | By MAIREAD MCARDLE
Posted on 2/20/2020, 4:32:36 PM by Oldeconomybuyer

Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren on Thursday decried an Arizona bill that would prevent biological males from competing in girls sports, calling the legislation “cruel.”

“Trans athletes are not a threat,” Warren wrote in a tweet. “We need to protect trans kids - and all LGBTQ+ kids - and ensure they feel safe and welcomed at school. I urge the Arizona legislature to reject this cruel bill.”

The “Save Women’s Sports Act” would assign high-school students to interscholastic and intramural leagues by their “biological sex” rather than the gender with which they identify, grouping biological females together and likewise for biological males.

The bill, introduced by state representative Nancy Barto, a Phoenix Republican, and co-sponsored by 22 other GOP state legislators, is intended to protect female athletes from competing against athletes who possess an unfair advantage over them, Barto claims.

“Female student-athletes should not be forced to compete in a sport against biological males, who possess inherent physiological advantages. When this is allowed, it discourages female participation in athletics and, worse, it can result in women and girls being denied crucial educational and financial opportunities,” Barto said.

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I'm all for equal rights but how is this cruel? 

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1665 on: February 20, 2020, 05:26:20 PM »
I'm all for equal rights but how is this cruel? 

As an “Indian American” who experienced decades of discrimination and hardship because of her race, she can empathize with people who claim to be something they are not.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1666 on: February 20, 2020, 05:36:12 PM »
As an “Indian American” who experienced decades of discrimination and hardship because of her race, she can empathize with people who claim to be something they are not.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1667 on: February 20, 2020, 08:50:22 PM »
I’ve read in a few places that Warren was an attack dog because she’s going to be Bernie’s VP.

They're essentially the same, so not sure.
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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1668 on: February 20, 2020, 11:10:09 PM »
Pretty dishonest ad.

Bloomberg Shares Doctored Debate Video To Hide Dismal Performance
The edited video falsely suggests the other candidates were speechless for 20 seconds after the billionaire said he was the only candidate to start a business.
By David Moye
POLITICS 02/20/2020
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bloomberg-shares-doctored-debate-video-to-hide-dismal-performance_n_5e4ed27bc5b6df1e8be446bf?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=main_fb&section=politics&fbclid=IwAR2GrgxC3N88DpchfblgBcMO_CecPwhTpoToZvaZN4YA2XyOWlQUKTgQb1A

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1669 on: February 20, 2020, 11:14:04 PM »
Backtracking once again.

Warren reverses central stance on PAC support: ‘That’s how it has to be’

Despite grounding her campaign message in the fight against the influence of big money in politics, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren has not discouraged a new super PAC created this week from boosting her message around the country.

Warren has criticized other candidates for accepting PAC support, and continued to do so even as a new PAC called “Persist” threw its support behind her. Warren has indicated that she will not disavow or reject its support unless all the other candidates do the same.

“So here’s where I stand, if all of the candidates want to get rid of super PACs, count me in. I’ll lead the charge. But that’s how it has to be. It can’t be the case that a bunch of people keep them and only one or two don’t,” Warren told reporters on Thursday morning at a campaign stop in Las Vegas.

Warren similarly stood by the support of the new super PAC on Wednesday night, fresh off the debate stage and argued that PAC support was furthering the gender divide in the 2020 primary.

"I asked on this stage 10 days ago and no takers, not a Democrat would stand up. And I understand how eventually, women looked around and said, 'Wait, let's get this straight, all the guys on this stage have got PACs working for them. The only ones who don't are Amy [Klobuchar] and Elizabeth [Warren]," and they put together a PAC," Warren told ABC News, referring to the three women who are directors of the Persist PAC.

The only candidates who didn’t have super PAC support ahead of the New Hampshire primary were the two women in the race, Warren and Klobuchar, a Minnesota senator, and both have since seen PACs pop up to support them.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pro-warren-pac-launches-ad-campaign-ahead-nevada/story?id=69063505

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1670 on: February 21, 2020, 04:18:27 AM »
They're essentially the same, so not sure.

Yeah, that’s the criticism and it’s valid but I doubt they care. Their base won’t accept a moderate who isn’t a leftist.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1671 on: February 21, 2020, 04:43:26 AM »
Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders is too far left for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, official says
The Week via Yahoo! News ^ | February 21, 2020 | by Peter Weber
Posted on 2/21/2020, 7:38:33 AM by Oldeconomybuyer

Johan Hassel, the international secretary for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, visited Iowa before the caucuses, and he wasn't impressed with America's standard bearer for democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). "We were at a Sanders event, and it was like being at a Left Party meeting," he told Sweden's Svenska Dagbladet newspaper, according to one translation. "It was a mixture of very young people and old Marxists, who think they were right all along. There were no ordinary people there, simply."

Hassel was most "impressed" with Pete Buttigieg, though he also liked Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

Some more context: The “Left Party” he talks about in there is the old Communist Party back home in Sweden. (They changed their name around 1990 or so -- wonder why.)

The Left/Communists have worked with the Social Democrats in minority parliaments, but never included in cabinet.

Why would a Swedish Social Democrat favor Buttigieg over Sanders? Well, democratic socialism is different than Sweden's social democracy - the "Nordic model" Sanders touts - "and, unfortunately, Sanders has contributed to this confusion," writes MIT political economist Daron Acemoglu. Democratic socialism seeks to fix the iniquities of the market economy by handing control of the means of production to a company's workers or "an administrative structure operated by the state," he explains. "European social democracy is a system for regulating the market economy, not for supplanting it."

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1672 on: February 21, 2020, 08:53:06 AM »
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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1673 on: February 21, 2020, 09:06:30 AM »
Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders is too far left for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, official says
The Week via Yahoo! News ^ | February 21, 2020 | by Peter Weber
Posted on 2/21/2020, 7:38:33 AM by Oldeconomybuyer

Johan Hassel, the international secretary for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, visited Iowa before the caucuses, and he wasn't impressed with America's standard bearer for democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). "We were at a Sanders event, and it was like being at a Left Party meeting," he told Sweden's Svenska Dagbladet newspaper, according to one translation. "It was a mixture of very young people and old Marxists, who think they were right all along. There were no ordinary people there, simply."

Hassel was most "impressed" with Pete Buttigieg, though he also liked Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

Some more context: The “Left Party” he talks about in there is the old Communist Party back home in Sweden. (They changed their name around 1990 or so -- wonder why.)

The Left/Communists have worked with the Social Democrats in minority parliaments, but never included in cabinet.

Why would a Swedish Social Democrat favor Buttigieg over Sanders? Well, democratic socialism is different than Sweden's social democracy - the "Nordic model" Sanders touts - "and, unfortunately, Sanders has contributed to this confusion," writes MIT political economist Daron Acemoglu. Democratic socialism seeks to fix the iniquities of the market economy by handing control of the means of production to a company's workers or "an administrative structure operated by the state," he explains. "European social democracy is a system for regulating the market economy, not for supplanting it."

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Even Swedish leftists/communists find Sanders too far to the left.

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Re: Top 15 Democratic presidential candidates in 2020
« Reply #1674 on: February 21, 2020, 09:12:09 AM »
"European social democracy is a system for regulating the market economy, not for supplanting it."



This is why you have no new and innovative companies coming out of Europe. If you look at the best European companies they’re all 100 years old or more.

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Johan Hassel, the international secretary for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, visited Iowa before the caucuses, and he wasn't impressed with America's standard bearer for democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). "We were at a Sanders event, and it was like being at a Left Party meeting," he told Sweden's Svenska Dagbladet newspaper, according to one translation. "It was a mixture of very young people and old Marxists, who think they were right all along. There were no ordinary people there, simply."


That’s Bernie’s base in a nutshell: Decrepit 60s Hippie radicals who never grew up and young hippies who don’t want to grow up.