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And Louie looking at Mike in awe :D
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And Louie looking at Mike in awe :D
Think Mike is looking at himself in awe.
Right bicep on peace on Mike.
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Think Mike is looking at himself in awe.
Right bicep on peace on Mike.
Who has the better physique? Mike or Ray?
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Louie but Mike had the best mustache.
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Louie but Mike had the best mustache.
Big Lou sporting a beard
(http://digilander.libero.it/ObyWan3/cozzi_39.jpg)
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Mike and Ray had almost identical physiques but Ray was supposed to be one of the strongest bodybuilders of his time.
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Genetics. But their physiques aren't close to being identical. Mike was more squarely built, shorter, with better calves and triceps. Ray was taller and somewhat rounder with bigger upper arms and thighs. Strong as a bull. Mike wasn't a slouch either.
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Big Lou sporting a beard
(http://digilander.libero.it/ObyWan3/cozzi_39.jpg)
HE looked great there bigger than when he did Sinbad where he lost size.lou had great genes for a tall guy.everyone raves about arnie's chest /lou's was as impressive and he had delts too/arms..
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its easy to forget how good lous body was while how bad his hair and beard choices were
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Who has the better physique? Mike or Ray?
Mike.
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HE looked great there bigger than when he did Sinbad where he lost size.lou had great genes for a tall guy.everyone raves about arnie's chest /lou's was as impressive and he had delts too/arms..
Yep
Crazy nonwithstanding but for his height..! Forget about it
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Looks like Ray had better legs than Mike
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Got a DVD with Mike before he died with some nobody doing his HIT program. Sad really, you could see he was bitter and he offed himself shortly afterwards.
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Looks like Ray had better legs than Mike
I think they were about even in legs.
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I think they were about even in legs.
Ray holding a cigarette in his right hand ::)
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HE looked great there bigger than when he did Sinbad where he lost size.lou had great genes for a tall guy.everyone raves about arnie's chest /lou's was as impressive and he had delts too/arms..
Surprisingly he weighed the same. During the filming of Hercules, Lou went from 271 down to 262 pounds and gave off the impression of even more size, because of how incredibly cut and striated he had become. If he had entered the 1982/1983 Mr. Olympias, he would have won them both. He weighed 270 pounds during the filming of Sinbad, but was far less cut. My sources are old Muscle and Fitness and Flex magazines.
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Genetics. But their physiques aren't close to being identical. Mike was more squarely built, shorter, with better calves and triceps. Ray was taller and somewhat rounder with bigger upper arms and thighs. Strong as a bull. Mike wasn't a slouch either.
Ray was only 1" taller than Mike. Ray was 5'9" and Mike was 5'8". I read that Ray really bulked up in the 1980's (around 280 pounds or so). Mike was really honest about his measurements. He claimed to be 225 pounds, with an 18 5/8" bicep.
I do agree though that their physiques were far from identical. The guy who made that statement clearly needs to get a new prescription on his eye wear.
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Got a DVD with Mike before he died with some nobody doing his HIT program. Sad really, you could see he was bitter and he offed himself shortly afterwards.
Think I have seen this on you tube.
Mike is very crotchety, hobbling around telling Ray to do this & that..
Does have some excellent advice in it.
Tempo ,Static strength,Negatives and rep ranges on warm ups.
Physical Mike seemed like a mess before he died. :P
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Got a DVD with Mike before he died with some nobody doing his HIT program. Sad really, you could see he was bitter and he offed himself shortly afterwards.
It was totally surreal - the nobody was the german cockmonger Markus.
I remember seeing the clips at a buddies house a few years ago - we laughed during the whole ordeal.
The way Mike looked, talked and smoked and on top of that Ray's own odd behavior... very funny and sad at the same time.
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Surprisingly he weighed the same. During the filming of Hercules, Lou went from 271 down to 262 pounds and gave off the impression of even more size, because of how incredibly cut and striated he had become. If he had entered the 1982/1983 Mr. Olympias, he would have won them both. He weighed 270 pounds during the filming of Sinbad, but was far less cut. My sources are old Muscle and Fitness and Flex magazines.
cool...i have all of my mags boxes dude from them i thought i was close to the quote,i remember the sinbad/hercules issues i thought he went down closer to 240 for sinbad..if not my bad...
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I think Zane has him here. Better conditioning and lines.
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t=11
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Ray had potential to be bigger and better, IMO. Real world, Mike was better. Mike was cool and engaging in my experience. Ray was almost always a douche bag.
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Think I have seen this on you tube.
Mike is very crotchety, hobbling around telling Ray to do this & that..
Does have some excellent advice in it.
Tempo ,Static strength,Negatives and rep ranges on warm ups.
Physical Mike seemed like a mess before he died. :P
^^
He was a heavy smoker, I posted about this before- he smoked when I met him in the 90's.
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I think they were about even in legs.
Mentzer was harder/tighter and more vascular. Looks like his bodyfat was lower.
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cool...i have all of my mags boxes dude from them i thought i was close to the quote,i remember the sinbad/hercules issues i thought he went down closer to 240 for sinbad..if not my bad...
Lou only dipped down to 250 pounds at one point in 1984. He thought it would get him more movie roles. He was wrong. Imo, Lou's physique in Cage 2 was out of this world. He weighed 326 pounds during the filming of it. His size was insane.
This is what he looked like during that era. He did some guest posings. Some say he got close to 340 pounds at one point.
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By contrast, this was his Mr. Olympia winning condition during the filming of Hercules in 1982/1983 (About 60-65 pounds lighter):
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Ray had potential to be bigger and better, IMO. Real world, Mike was better. Mike was cool and engaging in my experience. Ray was almost always a douche bag.
I don't agree about Ray. The guy just wanted to be left alone. When I was staying at his place in 1991 he got me a free pass to train at Golds Venice. I was there for 2 weeks.
One day I introduced Paul Dillett to Ray. Ray wasn't impressed with all the veins. I always thought Ray was one of the biggest guys I have seen....muscle for muscle. However, that
day when Ray was weighing about 260 he looked small next to Paul who weighed about 290. Later Ray told me I knew more people than he did at Golds and he had been there for years.
In the last video the Mentzer brothers made together I could hear Ray talking about some bodybuilder who was violent with his wife/girlfriend. Ray didn't like that. He didn't like
gays or blacks. He was opinionated but knowledgeable. Arthur Jones measured Ray's arm at over 20 inches. Only Sergio had similar size arms according to Arthur's tape.
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Who has the better physique? Mike or Ray?
Interesting question. Both brothers won the AAU Mr America but Ray never won the Mr Universe like Mike did. He kept trying until his health stopped him from competing.
Most of the shots with Ray and Mike together were taken about the time Ray won the Mr America and he was quite lean then and Mike looks more impressive.
In other photos Ray looks more impressive. Look at his longer biceps for a start.
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Interesting question. Both brothers won the AAU Mr America but Ray never won the Mr Universe like Mike did. He kept trying until his health stopped him from competing.
Most of the shots with Ray and Mike together were taken about the time Ray won the Mr America and he was quite lean then and Mike looks more impressive.
In other photos Ray looks more impressive. Look at his longer biceps for a start.
Ray won the AAU Mr. America that had stiff competition. Mike won Weider's version. I forget what the called it. Maybe the 1976 IFBB Mr.America.
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Ray won the AAU Mr. America that had stiff competition. Mike won Weider's version. I forget what the called it. Maybe the 1976 IFBB Mr.America.
Correct Rich.....Mike Mentzer never won the AAU version which supposedly pissed him off quite a bit when Ray did win it.
It was a much coveted title back then.
Comparisons of the 2 versions.
http://musclememory.com/male/contests/mr_america_-_ifbb.html
http://musclememory.com/male/contests/mr_america_-_aau.html
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Interesting question. Both brothers won the AAU Mr America but Ray never won the Mr Universe like Mike did. He kept trying until his health stopped him from competing.
Most of the shots with Ray and Mike together were taken about the time Ray won the Mr America and he was quite lean then and Mike looks more impressive.
In other photos Ray looks more impressive. Look at his longer biceps for a start.
Damn, Ray has some of the best biceps I've ever seen in the FDB
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Interesting question. Both brothers won the AAU Mr America but Ray never won the Mr Universe like Mike did. He kept trying until his health stopped him from competing.
Most of the shots with Ray and Mike together were taken about the time Ray won the Mr America and he was quite lean then and Mike looks more impressive.
In other photos Ray looks more impressive. Look at his longer biceps for a start.
Ray was definitely thicker than Mike, but it looked like he also carried more water than Mike did. Overall, two very different physiques, but equally impressive in their own way.
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I don't agree about Ray. The guy just wanted to be left alone. When I was staying at his place in 1991 he got me a free pass to train at Golds Venice. I was there for 2 weeks.
One day I introduced Paul Dillett to Ray. Ray wasn't impressed with all the veins. I always thought Ray was one of the biggest guys I have seen....muscle for muscle. However, that
day when Ray was weighing about 260 he looked small next to Paul who weighed about 290. Later Ray told me I knew more people than he did at Golds and he had been there for years.
In the last video the Mentzer brothers made together I could hear Ray talking about some bodybuilder who was violent with his wife/girlfriend. Ray didn't like that. He didn't like
gays or blacks. He was opinionated but knowledgeable. Arthur Jones measured Ray's arm at over 20 inches. Only Sergio had similar size arms according to Arthur's tape.
How did such a big guy (referring to Dillett) have such a small waist? BTW, while Paul's offseason weight was 290 pounds in 1991, his offseason weight by the mid-late 90's was 330 pounds and 290 pounds in competition.
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Lots of accusing someone of being racist and homophobic when they are not even here to defend themselves in this thread.
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Lots of accusing someone of being racist and homophobic when they are not even here to defend themselves in this thread.
And in Ray's case, not even on this earth anymore :P
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And in Ray's case, not even on this earth anymore :P
Exactly.