Steny Hoyer: "Public Option May have to go"

[Soul Crusher]

Hoyer: Public option may have to goTags:Health Care Reform, Democrats, Health Insurance, Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi, August Recess, Public Option Back to top  Listen Print Comment Email Recommend  Subscribe By LISA LERER | 8/21/09 12:59 PM EDT Text Size- + reset
 
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer says that the public option may have to go in order to get a bill passed.
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A day after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that health reform won’t get through the House without a public option, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Friday that the public option may have to go in order to get a bill passed.

“I’m for a public option but I’m also for passing a bill,” Hoyer told reporters on a conference call. “We believe the public option is a necessary useful and very important aspect of this, but we’ll have to see because there are many other important aspects of the bill as well.”

In San Francisco Thursday, Pelosi said: "There's no way I can pass a bill in the House of Representatives without a public option.”

The seemingly contradictory comments highlight the pressure on some Democratic members, particularly those from conservative districts. Members have faced rowdy crowds in town hall meetings across the country over the August recess.

Hoyer said that the meetings have “had a positive effect.” The Maryland Democrat came under fire earlier this month after authoring an op-ed calling the town halls "un-American” and criticizing an “ugly campaign” by conservatives to disrupt the events.

On Friday, he voiced a slightly different opinion.

“There are some people who are angry, yes, but basically these are productive meetings that do what a democracy is designed to do.”

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I cant help but laugh my ass off over this entire mess. 

Obama and the gang have thrown the left wong of the party so under the buss its not even funny.  You guys have been used, abused, and tatooed. 

We told you so. 
 

[240 is Back]

I cant help but laugh my ass off over this entire mess. 

Obama and the gang have thrown the left wong of the party so under the buss its not even funny.  You guys have been used, abused, and tatooed. 

We told you so. 

What does your health insurnace cost today, compared with 5 years ago?

What will is cost you in 5 years?

keep laughing. 

[Soul Crusher]

What does your health insurnace cost today, compared with 5 years ago?

What will is cost you in 5 years?

keep laughing. 

I pay $287.00 a month for myself with a $500 deductible for mosdt things and a $5000 deductible for hospitalization.  I paid $263.00 a month four years ago.  I also have a disability policy to cover the 5k even though my savings will exceed the 5k many many many times over. 

And yes - 240 - this entire fiasco brings me a huge laugh because these idiots want to be trusted with health care, YET CANT EVEN GET ON THE SAME PAGE EACH DAY AS FAR AS THE MESSAGE GOES! 

If they cant even get the message right,you think people are going to trust them with the program itself? 

Come on 240 - at some point you and I both know you will have to have a huge "I was wrong" moment about Obama and the dems.  I wont hold it against you since you are a good guy and really believed the hype.  Its ok bro. 

How do you like this one:

 

[240 is Back]

my point is that you're celebrating an obama loss like it's a win for you.


it's not.  You're still paying 300 a month just for yourself.  When you have a family, that'll be 800 a month. 

If you're pounding your chest celebrating because it would cost 800 a month to keep your family healthy.  And in 5 years, when you are married with 1 or 2 kids, it'll probably cost 1500 a month just for health care.


So yeah, let's celebrate.  Nothing changed.

[Soul Crusher]

my point is that you're celebrating an obama loss like it's a win for you.


it's not.  You're still paying 300 a month just for yourself.  When you have a family, that'll be 800 a month. 

If you're pounding your chest celebrating because it would cost 800 a month to keep your family healthy.  And in 5 years, when you are married with 1 or 2 kids, it'll probably cost 1500 a month just for health care.


So yeah, let's celebrate.  Nothing changed.

I agree that change and reform is needed greatly. 

However, please explain to me why I should trust people to craft a massive new program when they themselves cant even get on the same page as far as the message goes?

240 - would you hire these people to even cut your grass, let alone develope a multi-trillion dollar plan? 

[240 is Back]

I agree that change and reform is needed greatly. 

However, please explain to me why I should trust people to craft a massive new program when they themselves cant even get on the same page as far as the message goes?

240 - would you hire these people to even cut your grass, let alone develope a multi-trillion dollar plan? 

"reform is needed greatly."

Do you believe a republican president in 2012 would deliver this reform?

Let's face it, the dems are the party of hooking up poor people - repubs aren't.  Bush didn't look at health care for 8 years, and obama is on it 6 months in.  Do ya REALLy believe president palin will do everything possible to limit power of insurance companies, cutting their balls off, like obama is trying to do?

Ah, no.  Sorry brah, but IMO the only hope we have for crippling their growth and ability traise prices at will is obama's plan.  Repub president won't touch it.  Obama's plan ain't perfect, but it's the only thing that'll take away power from the companies to .... durm roll please... double health care prices in the next 10 years (again).

[Kazan]

"reform is needed greatly."

Do you believe a republican president in 2012 would deliver this reform?

Let's face it, the dems are the party of hooking up poor people - repubs aren't.  Bush didn't look at health care for 8 years, and obama is on it 6 months in.  Do ya REALLy believe president palin will do everything possible to limit power of insurance companies, cutting their balls off, like obama is trying to do?

Ah, no.  Sorry brah, but IMO the only hope we have for crippling their growth and ability traise prices at will is obama's plan.  Repub president won't touch it.  Obama's plan ain't perfect, but it's the only thing that'll take away power from the companies to .... durm roll please... double health care prices in the next 10 years (again).

Why don't you tell when it became the job of the federal government to "hook poor people up"?

[James]

"reform is needed greatly."

Do you believe a republican president in 2012 would deliver this reform?

Let's face it, the dems are the party of hooking up poor people - repubs aren't.  Bush didn't look at health care for 8 years, and obama is on it 6 months in.  Do ya REALLy believe president palin will do everything possible to limit power of insurance companies, cutting their balls off, like obama is trying to do?

Ah, no.  Sorry brah, but IMO the only hope we have for crippling their growth and ability traise prices at will is obama's plan.  Repub president won't touch it.  Obama's plan ain't perfect, but it's the only thing that'll take away power from the companies to .... durm roll please... double health care prices in the next 10 years (again).

Former head of the Canadian Health Care System, Dr. Brian Day says Government Care Brings Reduced Access, Rationing, Less Value - Video 8/20/09


Dr. Brian Day said that 5 million out of Canada's population of 35 million people have no family doctor. That is more than 14% of the people.


1 million people waiting for surgeries,


another 1 million waiting to see a specialist for their condition.


As for bringing down costs, he said he did not think ObamaCare would bring down costs because in Canada, they ranked dead last in a study of European countries ranking "value for care."

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[The True Adonis]

I pay $287.00 a month for myself with a $500 deductible for mosdt things and a $5000 deductible for hospitalization.  I paid $263.00 a month four years ago.  I also have a disability policy to cover the 5k even though my savings will exceed the 5k many many many times over. 

And yes - 240 - this entire fiasco brings me a huge laugh because these idiots want to be trusted with health care, YET CANT EVEN GET ON THE SAME PAGE EACH DAY AS FAR AS THE MESSAGE GOES! 

If they cant even get the message right,you think people are going to trust them with the program itself? 

Come on 240 - at some point you and I both know you will have to have a huge "I was wrong" moment about Obama and the dems.  I wont hold it against you since you are a good guy and really believed the hype.  Its ok bro. 

How do you like this one:

 

Your Health Plan is pretty awful.  At UnitedHealth, we offered a similar plan to what you just described and we nicknamed it "The Sick Cow".   We did so because the amount of money you have to shell out every month and also the monthly amount you have to pay as if your deductible wasn`t bad enough. lol

[The True Adonis]

"reform is needed greatly."

Do you believe a republican president in 2012 would deliver this reform?

Let's face it, the dems are the party of hooking up poor people - repubs aren't.  Bush didn't look at health care for 8 years, and obama is on it 6 months in.  Do ya REALLy believe president palin will do everything possible to limit power of insurance companies, cutting their balls off, like obama is trying to do?

Ah, no.  Sorry brah, but IMO the only hope we have for crippling their growth and ability traise prices at will is obama's plan.  Repub president won't touch it.  Obama's plan ain't perfect, but it's the only thing that'll take away power from the companies to .... durm roll please... double health care prices in the next 10 years (again).

This has nothing to do with poor people at all in its entirety.  Most people WITH Health Insurance cannot even afford it, nor is their coverage worth much since they have limited to no choice where, when and how they can get treated and by whom.

[Soul Crusher]

"reform is needed greatly."

Do you believe a republican president in 2012 would deliver this reform?

Let's face it, the dems are the party of hooking up poor people - repubs aren't.  Bush didn't look at health care for 8 years, and obama is on it 6 months in.  Do ya REALLy believe president palin will do everything possible to limit power of insurance companies, cutting their balls off, like obama is trying to do?

Ah, no.  Sorry brah, but IMO the only hope we have for crippling their growth and ability traise prices at will is obama's plan.  Repub president won't touch it.  Obama's plan ain't perfect, but it's the only thing that'll take away power from the companies to .... durm roll please... double health care prices in the next 10 years (again).

Again - please show me where the govt has done anything of this magnitude that has not resulted in anything but massive cost overruns, fraude, waste, abuse, etc?

You know whats funny 240 - you shilled for months about the stimulus bill - FAILURE!  

Does Obama even talk about the economy or UE anymore?  No.

His whole admn is a scatter-brained mess of one failure to the next.  

[240 is Back]

Why don't you tell when it became the job of the federal government to "hook poor people up"?

the minute bush killed the middle class and obama won the election.

it'll be no longer their job when a repub wins.  You know how it works.


My point is that 333386 is so busy celebrating an obama loss that he seems to be overlooking the fact the companies have us all by the balls, raising prices and making monster profits.  They can do this because they have no competition.  A govt healthcare plan would make them actually have to lower their prices.

If you own stock in aetna, i don't blame you for hating on this.  But if you're joe blow paying 800 a month for your health care... shit, aren't you a little tired of paying that much for something that was 400 bucks just a few years ago?  and aren't you at all worried about how much they'll jack up prices if/when obama is defeated and they have zero incentive to stay cheap?


politics is fine.  I could care less if obama or palin or whoever wins.  What i care about is how much my family monthly health insurance costs.  I'll vote for and support whichever candidate can keep the price under 1000 a month.  Which one is that?

[240 is Back]

Again - please show me where the govt has done anything of this magnitude that has not resulted in anything but massive cost overruns, fraude, waste, abuse, etc?

You know whats funny 240 - you shilled for months about the stimulus bill - FAILURE!  

Does Obama even talk about the economy or UE anymore?  No.

His whole admn is a scatter-brained mess of one failure to the next.  

again and again,

obama this, obama that.  You hate the guy.  We get it.

Now tell me about health care.  I don't want to pay $15 grand per year just for health insurance.  but that is where we're heading.

Obama's plan will keep this from happening.  Will palin's?  yes or no.

[The True Adonis]

Former head of the Canadian Health Care System, Dr. Brian Day says Government Care Brings Reduced Access, Rationing, Less Value - Video 8/20/09


Dr. Brian Day said that 5 million out of Canada's population of 35 million people have no family doctor. That is more than 14% of the people.


1 million people waiting for surgeries,


another 1 million waiting to see a specialist for their condition.


As for bringing down costs, he said he did not think ObamaCare would bring down costs because in Canada, they ranked dead last in a study of European countries ranking "value for care."

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Please Stop Now.



In May 2009, Day drew fire from critics by appearing in a television ad [5] for a US lobby group called Conservatives for Patients' Rights that argues against Obama's healthcare reform plan.
The ad campaign is organized by Creative Response Concepts, the public relations firm group most famous for the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth ads against against 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry [6].
Day appeared on the television network BNN on May 11, 2009 [7] stating that he has issued a letter dissociating himself from the ad, and that the sentences were extracted from a 40 minute interview from what he understood was going to be a longer documentary.
In a Washingtom Times article (May 2009), Day explained that he actually supports a government role in health care funding and delivery, and supports Obama's efforts to provide access to necessary health care for all currently under insured US citizens. He has always been a supporter of access for all that is not based on ability to pay but, unlike some of his detractors, he does not support a state monopoly in the delivery or funding of care.

[Soul Crusher]

Your Health Plan is pretty awful.  At UnitedHealth, we offered a similar plan to what you just described and we nicknamed it "The Sick Cow".   We did so because the amount of money you have to shell out every month and also the monthly amount you have to pay as if your deductible wasn`t bad enough. lol

I live in N.Y. and the state mandates all sorts of crap.  I dont need a 500.00 a month plan that covers viagra, cialis, abortion, liposuction, etc.  

There is simply no policy that is cheaper and I have plenty of $$$$ saved up and a Disability policy on myself that will cover anything else that pays an etc 5k a month.  

Is it great - of course not.  

However, I live in workers paradise of NY and everything is more expensive with lower value.  Thats was liberalism and socialism bring TA - higher costs with lower quality.    

[Soul Crusher]

Hey 240 - when the private companies are forced to cover pre-existintg conditions -  your premium will go to $2,000 a month and you will be dumped or forced onto the same govt plan that Obama is going to give illegal aliens.

Great job as usual.   

[The True Adonis]

I live in N.Y. and the state mandates all sorts of crap.  I dont need a 500.00 a month plan that covers viagra, cialis, abortion, liposuction, etc.  

There is simply no policy that is cheaper and I have plenty of $$$$ saved up and a Disability policy on myself that will cover anything else that pays an etc 5k a month.  

Is it great - of course not.  

However, I live in workers paradise of NY and everything is more expensive with lower value.  Thats was liberalism and socialism bring TA - higher costs with lower quality.    

Correction.  That is what Capitalism brought you.

By the way,  There are cheaper plans in New York.  You just have no clue how to go about getting them.

[Kazan]

the minute bush killed the middle class and obama won the election.

it'll be no longer their job when a repub wins.  You know how it works.

Yeah bullshit, you can try to play this stupid fucking game you want, but it has never been the job of the federal government to "hook up" the poor. Try reading the constitution, all this shit the fed is trying to pull is supposed to be the job of the states.

[The True Adonis]

Hey 240 - when the private companies are forced to cover pre-existintg conditions -  your premium will go to $2,000 a month and you will be dumped or forced onto the same govt plan that Obama is going to give illegal aliens.

Great job as usual.   

Name one other successful country that uses our current Healthcare Model.  

[Soul Crusher]

again and again,

obama this, obama that.  You hate the guy.  We get it.

Now tell me about health care.  I don't want to pay $15 grand per year just for health insurance.  but that is where we're heading.

Obama's plan will keep this from happening.  Will palin's?  yes or no.

If you want to do health care:

1.  End the monopolies of companies in a lot of areas
2.  Allow states to ffer polices accross state lines
3.  Enact tort reform so that doctors are not compelled to order wasteful testing etc.
4.  Deport all illegals as soo nas they get treated in the ER
5.  Allow for foreign importantion of drugs


These are just some things that will save a ton of money.      

[240 is Back]

If you want to do health care:

1.  End the monopolies of companies in a lot of areas
2.  Allow states to ffer polices accross state lines
3.  Enact tort reform so that doctors are not compelled to order wasteful testing etc.
4.  Deport all illegals as soo nas they get treated in the ER
5.  Allow for foreign importantion of drugs


These are just some things that will save a ton of money.      

Look, you want to turn this into a 'let's kick out all the illegals' thread.   Weak.

Tell me what will keep my insurance costs down.  Are we currently ranked #1 in the country in terms of health care, with the current system?

[Soul Crusher]

Correction.  That is what Capitalism brought you.

By the way,  There are cheaper plans in New York.  You just have no clue how to go about getting them.

Hysterical TA - I make more than 23k a year so I dont qualify for HealthNY and I am small business so I dont qualify for a group rate.  I checked it out for months before going with what i did. 

[Soul Crusher]

Look, you want to turn this into a 'let's kick out all the illegals' thread.   Weak.

Tell me what will keep my insurance costs down.  Are we currently ranked #1 in the country in terms of health care, with the current system?

No, but you are also completely ignoring the tax treatment of health care as well which drives up costs.  Its a tax benefit to your employer mostly, but if you pay on your own, its not. 

They need to take medical care away from being tied to your employment and encourage real competition and price shopping.

Ask yourself, why hasnt auto or home insurance increased at the same rates?   

 

[The True Adonis]

If you want to do health care:

1.  End the monopolies of companies in a lot of areas
2.  Allow states to ffer polices accross state lines
3.  Enact tort reform so that doctors are not compelled to order wasteful testing etc.
4.  Deport all illegals as soo nas they get treated in the ER
5.  Allow for foreign importantion of drugs


These are just some things that will save a ton of money.      

Single Payer PWNS all of the above.  With that said:

1. How? I thought you were a pure capitalist and decries anyone being limited for profit, even when the sole source is from human suffering.

2. Crossing state lines with policies is meaningless.  There is little to no variance in policies amongst states as it is and any Private Insurance will just re-write the plans as they see fit to continue to maximize profits.  You don`t think they will give up their profits so easily?

3. Tort reform should be enacted, however we must also realize that iatrogenesis, or death due to doctors from medical error is THE THIRD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH in the United States behind Cancer and Heart Disease.  We still need robust protection for a victim and their families as long as this statistic remains constant.

4. Deporting illegals is actually more expensive than covering them with Health Insurance or a Single Payer system.  

5. Agree, but the markup is what ruins us in the United States and the agreed upon tiered system of Prescription drugs and Insurance Companies.  This will not cause any real noticeable depression in the overall problem of healthcare costs.

[The True Adonis]

No, but you are also completely ignoring the tax treatment of health care as well which drives up costs.  Its a tax benefit to your employer mostly, but if you pay on your own, its not. 

They need to take medical care away from being tied to your employment and encourage real competition and price shopping.

Ask yourself, why hasnt auto or home insurance increased at the same rates?   

 

Auto Insurance has increased at sky rocketing rates.  We have 2 states New Hampshire and Wisconsin where you do not have to have or buy auto insurance.  I have no clue why people roll over so easily and stand for mandatory Insurance, the government forcing you to buy a "product" from a private company.  Auto Insurance should be STRICTLY for the car and optional.  Nothing else.

With a Universal Healthcare Single Payer system, this renders Auto Insurance completely useless when it comes to coordination of benefits with Medical as they no longer have to provide COB and it also lowers premiums in that sector.

This is a two-fer for the American citizen.  Should be a no-brainer.