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Title: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 28, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
Dallas McCarver, IFBB professional bodybuilder, died after an unwitnessed cardiac event contributed to by of combination of coronary atherosclerosis (a buildup of plaque in the arteries) and an enlarged left ventricle (a thickening of the heart muscle that causes it to work harder). McCarver had a family history of cardiovascular disease (genetic predisposition) including both hypertension and atherosclerosis.
Dallas was found on the floor in his living room with food scattered around his body shortly after midnight on August 22nd, 2017. Paramedics were called and he arrived at the hospital in full cardiac arrest. He was pronounced dead at 1:03 A.M. An autopsy was performed the following day.
Noted at the time of autopsy was an enlarged liver and kidneys, nephrosclerosis (a hardened liver), heavy lungs, and a papillary thyroid carcinoma. Prior medical history includes cholesterol issues (high LDL/ low HDL), elevated aminotransferase levels, a chronic cough and shortness of breath, and childhood asthma.
His testosterone levels were within normal range at the time of death, despite having an elevated epitestosterone level (indicating testosterone replacement, though not abuse per se). Trenbolone metabolites were also present. Screening for additional steroids was negative, although he tested positive for caffeine and marijuana metabolites (neither of which are mentioned as contributing factors in his death). No other recreational drugs or narcotics were present. (Did not use Narcs and Party Drugs) because remember he was prepping for a show and atleast Nubain Metabolites should have been detected
Also noted (but neither tested for, nor listed as a contributing factor in Dallas’ death) was a prior history of hGH and insulin use.

Hypertrophy of organs 3-4 times normal size-
1. HEART- 833gms
2. Lungs 617 and 620gms
3. Liver- 4600gms
4. Kidneys -456 and 503

First time in any Autopsy report they have mentioned that

CONTRIBUTING CONDITIONS: CHRONIC USE OF EXOGENOUS STEROID AND NON-STEROID HORMONES


Source: https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/dallas-mccarver-autopsy-5ec5f959163d
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on November 28, 2017, 09:58:49 AM
833 gm heart? Jesus. Piana's was only 670, and 500+ is considered the danger zone.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Iceman1981 on November 28, 2017, 10:02:42 AM
Clogged arteries at that age? Damn.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 28, 2017, 10:03:36 AM
833 gm heart? Jesus. Piana's was only 670, and 500+ is considered the danger zone.

Big Ramy’s heart would be a kilo, damn walking time bombs
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: kreator on November 28, 2017, 10:04:53 AM
833 gm heart? Jesus. Piana's was only 670, and 500+ is considered the danger zone.

Now we know why people said he had a big heart
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: DanielPaul on November 28, 2017, 10:06:29 AM
It’s odd , a lot of what they said are also the markers they look for while diagnosing heart disease yet they didn’t specifically say it.  This guy was in need of a new heart.  Goes to show we need to take these genetic disorders mor serious.   ::)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SuperTed on November 28, 2017, 10:08:15 AM
Healthy sport of peace.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 28, 2017, 10:08:58 AM
It’s odd , a lot of what they said are also the markers they look for while diagnosing heart disease yet they didn’t specifically say it.  This guy was in need of a new heart.  Goes to show we need to take these genetic disorders mor serious.   ::)


They did specifically mention the cause steroids and hormones
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: sancho ed on November 28, 2017, 10:11:33 AM
Wow, so compared to piana, piana wasnt in such bad shape? Talk about mcarver being a walking time bomb...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 10:15:32 AM
he had a near 5kg liver? no wonder it looked like he was about to give birth
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Straw Man on November 28, 2017, 10:18:24 AM
Any updates on the money collected for the needy children?

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Nether Animal on November 28, 2017, 10:19:03 AM
He choked on his big heart of peace.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 10:23:09 AM
at 300lb on stage there is 30lbs of enlarged organs
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 28, 2017, 10:26:55 AM
he had a near 5kg liver? no wonder it looked like he was about to give birth

How much did his gh abuse contribute to that?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on November 28, 2017, 10:27:46 AM
With all these bodybuilders having heart issues, how can anyone even deny the link between heart issues and chronic use of illegal substances? Sure, genetics plays a role, but come on, the writing is on the wall. If Dallas never became a professional bodybuilder, there would obviously been a reduced chance of him dying of heart issues at such a young age. Heck, I know people who are 50+ who have similar conditions and with a healthy lifestyle and proper monitoring from a doctor, they are still plugging away. How can such an early death not be linked solely to steroids?  ??? ???

It would be interesting to see the heart weights, etc..... of other steroid using athletes too. One would figure that a healthy proportion of them that share the same genetic factors, etc.... but wind up living perfectly long lives. It is probably more the quest for size that is doing it. Thinking about it in my head, most of the heart related deaths I recall of young steroid users were in the really huge guys #275 plus.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 10:28:43 AM
How much did his gh abuse contribute to that?

kidneys are supposed to be 180g max and he had 500g. ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Parker on November 28, 2017, 10:30:43 AM
Professional bodybuilding promotes health, a healthy lifestyle and heart healthy eating and supplementation.

This should be a wake up call to various bodybuilders, to check their family history, take care of themselves, especially those who are try and push the envelope.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 10:31:47 AM
It would be interesting to see the heart weights, etc..... of other steroid using athletes too. One would figure that a healthy proportion of them that share the same genetic factors, etc.... but wind up living perfectly long lives. It is probably more the quest for size that is doing it. Thinking about it in my head, most of the heart related deaths I recall of young steroid users were in the really huge guys #275 plus.

Thanks for the information.

I believe Dallas was like 330 pounds offseason.  ??? ???

Damn, and I remember the early days of lifting when I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder.  :o :o
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 28, 2017, 10:32:57 AM
10lbs liver???
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Dan-O on November 28, 2017, 10:33:33 AM
Shawn Ray (among many others, I'm sure) cautioned McCarver against getting too big, too fast--Dallas was approx. 330 lbs. at only 26 years of age.  And Shawn caught all kinds of shit for being a negative hater.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 10:34:19 AM
Did people overlook that he had thyroid cancer at the time of autopsy.

They also found "papillary thyroid carcinoma."

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 10:34:41 AM
What stands out for me is that the tox screen flagged zero for PEDs apart from tren?  ???  Nothing else?  And since when do they test for Boldenone in a human autopsy?  Did I miss a meeting or something?

Not really surprised at the organ growth, the kid was probably on GH his entire (brutally short) adult life...  :P

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Parker on November 28, 2017, 10:41:21 AM
Shawn Ray (among many others, I'm sure) cautioned McCarver against getting too big, too fast--Dallas was approx. 330 lbs. at only 26 years of age.  And Shawn caught all kinds of shit for being a negative hater.
Shawn caught it because people don't like to hear the truth, they want live in a world where no one talks about the consequences for one's actions.

10lbs liver???
I know, that is crazy.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 10:46:24 AM
Shawn caught it because people don't like to hear the truth, they want live in a world where no one talks about the consequences for one's actions.
I know, that is crazy.

A human liver normally weighs 1.44–1.66 kg (3.2–3.7 lb), and has a width of about 15 cm.

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Dan-O on November 28, 2017, 10:47:13 AM
Did people overlook that he had thyroid cancer at the time of autopsy.

They also found "papillary thyroid carcinoma."



So, dumb question from a non-doctor:  Can GH promote the growth of all kinds of cells?  Even mutated cancer cells?  Could GH speed up the development of cancer cells, or increase the likelihood of mutated cells multiplying?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 28, 2017, 10:47:57 AM
So, dumb question from a non-doctor:  Can GH promote the growth of all kinds of cells?  Even mutated cancer cells?  Could GH speed up the development of cancer cells, or increase the likelihood of mutated cells multiplying?

Thats my bet
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 10:50:10 AM
So, dumb question from a non-doctor:  Can GH promote the growth of all kinds of cells?  Even mutated cancer cells?  Could GH speed up the development of cancer cells, or increase the likelihood of mutated cells multiplying?

Beats me.  ??? ???

Perhaps one of the getbig MD experts can chime in!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Stephano on November 28, 2017, 10:55:46 AM
Lots of folks have papillary thyroid cancer.  It's a slow-growing and generally "weak" form of cancer, which almost never claims any lives, and it frequently goes undetected.  (Only to show up on autopsies later on.)  Dallas could probably have lived with it for 10 more years before removing it.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 10:56:54 AM
Lots of folks have papillary thyroid cancer.  It's a slow-growing and generally "weak" form of cancer, which almost never claims any lives, and it frequently goes undetected.  (Only to show up on autopsies later on.)  Dallas could probably have lived with it for 10 more years before removing it.

Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on November 28, 2017, 10:59:36 AM
What stands out for me is that the tox screen flagged zero for PEDs apart from tren?  ???  Nothing else?  And since when do they test for Boldenone in a human autopsy?  Did I miss a meeting or something?

Not really surprised at the organ growth, the kid was probably on GH his entire (brutally short) adult life...  :P



Boldenone (Equipoise) has long been considered a widely abused steroid by the DEA here in the States, so I'm not surprised that it's on there. I'm not sure how Florida handles it, but steroid testing is usually at the discretion of the examiner. I'm sure they ordered the full ride once they heard the circumstances. Can't explain the rest.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
Boldenone (Equipoise) has long been considered a widely abused steroid by the DEA here in the States, so I'm not surprised that it's on there. I'm not sure how Florida handles it, but steroid testing is usually at the discretion of the examiner. I'm sure they ordered the full ride once they heard the circumstances. Can't explain the rest.

I see, so it's optional - thanks for explaining.  And they certainly ordered a wide range of tests, I'd just never seen vet stuff on there before (like bolasterone).  I can't believe his T wasn't through the roof either - I'd always assumed huge Pros never cruised.....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: el numero uno on November 28, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
Dallas McCarver, IFBB professional bodybuilder, died after an unwitnessed cardiac event contributed to by of combination of coronary atherosclerosis (a buildup of plaque in the arteries) and an enlarged left ventricle (a thickening of the heart muscle that causes it to work harder). McCarver had a family history of cardiovascular disease (genetic predisposition) including both hypertension and atherosclerosis.
Dallas was found on the floor in his living room with food scattered around his body shortly after midnight on August 22nd, 2017. Paramedics were called and he arrived at the hospital in full cardiac arrest. He was pronounced dead at 1:03 A.M. An autopsy was performed the following day.
Noted at the time of autopsy was an enlarged liver and kidneys, nephrosclerosis (a hardened liver), heavy lungs, and a papillary thyroid carcinoma. Prior medical history includes cholesterol issues (high LDL/ low HDL), elevated aminotransferase levels, a chronic cough and shortness of breath, and childhood asthma.
His testosterone levels were within normal range at the time of death, despite having an elevated epitestosterone level (indicating testosterone replacement, though not abuse per se). Trenbolone metabolites were also present. Screening for additional steroids was negative, although he tested positive for caffeine and marijuana metabolites (neither of which are mentioned as contributing factors in his death). No other recreational drugs or narcotics were present. (Did not use Narcs and Party Drugs) because remember he was prepping for a show and atleast Nubain Metabolites should have been detected
Also noted (but neither tested for, nor listed as a contributing factor in Dallas’ death) was a prior history of hGH and insulin use.

Hypertrophy of organs 3-4 times normal size-
1. HEART- 833gms
2. Lungs 617 and 620gms
3. Liver- 4600gms
4. Kidneys -456 and 503

First time in any Autopsy report they have mentioned that

CONTRIBUTING CONDITIONS: CHRONIC USE OF EXOGENOUS STEROID AND NON-STEROID HORMONES


Source: https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/dallas-mccarver-autopsy-5ec5f959163d


And we all thought he choked on dry chicken.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
She lists his risk factors and calls them "synergistic contributors". to his death.

She also lists seven studies to support her findings. Thorough examination.


(http://i66.tinypic.com/2n8ybep.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 11:31:34 AM
So he had a widow maker heart attack? Interesting how they mentioned steroids as a cause of death with only Tren in his system. You could actually make a defense that steroids had nothing to do with it since A. they don't know the amount of Tren  he was taking and B. they don't know how long he was taking it.

What they didn't mention and didn't test for.

IGF
GH
Insulin

Insane amounts of those 3 with extreme over eating is what killed this kid. The plaque build up could have been there even if he wasn't a bodybuilder with the family history but even so he would have died soon enough with all the other organ problems.

Why in God's name didn't this kid get at least a normal check up???? Even a chest X-Ray would have shown the enlarged heart. I'm willing to bet with his history of asthma he knew he had an enlarged heart.

Modern bodybuilding is dying a slow death. (no pun) Steroids have been around a long time, this shit didn't happen until the big 3 came in play.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 11:32:51 AM
Lots of folks have papillary thyroid cancer.  It's a slow-growing and generally "weak" form of cancer, which almost never claims any lives, and it frequently goes undetected.  (Only to show up on autopsies later on.)  Dallas could probably have lived with it for 10 more years before removing it.

Indeed - in fact, due to its flatter 'attack curve' isn't this one of the diseases whose rate of occurrence is tracked in a population exposed to man-made raditation (viz Chernobyl, Fukushima, etc.)?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: el numero uno on November 28, 2017, 11:33:49 AM
Only testosterone and trenbolone gave positive results?  ???

I would expect to see more steroids detected.

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*QJIibfQkiOJFJJQ8Oojj3w@2x.jpeg)

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*KgomFoF9T8yXW-0jh0xzMg@2x.jpeg)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 11:34:38 AM
She lists his risk factors and calls them "synergistic contributors". to his death.

She also lists seven studies to support her findings. Thorough examination.


(http://i66.tinypic.com/2n8ybep.jpg)

What "non steroid hormones" was he using?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 11:36:56 AM

Modern bodybuilding is dying a slow death. (no pun) Steroids have been around a long time, this shit didn't happen until the big 3 came in play.


Unlike its most recent casualties where death was pretty much instantaneous..... these guys are literally dropping to the ground where they stand/sit.   Scary business.....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
What "non steroid hormones" was he using?

Insulin and GH may be what's meant by that.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 11:40:12 AM
So he had a widow maker heart attack? Interesting how they mentioned steroids as a cause of death with only Tren in his system. You could actually make a defense that steroids had nothing to do with it since A. they don't know the amount of Tren  he was taking and B. they don't know how long he was taking it.

What they didn't mention and didn't test for.

IGF
GH
Insulin

Insane amounts of those 3 with extreme over eating is what killed this kid. The plaque build up could have been there even if he wasn't a bodybuilder with the family history but even so he would have died soon enough with all the other organ problems.

Why in God's name didn't this kid get at least a normal check up???? Even a chest X-Ray would have shown the enlarged heart. I'm willing to bet with his history of asthma he knew he had an enlarged heart.

Modern bodybuilding is dying a slow death. (no pun) Steroids have been around a long time, this shit didn't happen until the big 3 came in play.


She calls it an "unwitnessed cardiac event" which is why she listed all the other factors. You can't make a defense that steroids had nothing to do with it when she sites LVH as a major contributing factor and goes on to list seven steroid studies to support her findings. The damage was done as it relates to his left ventricle with severe concentric left ventricular hypertrophy.

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: visualizeperfection on November 28, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
Likely got bunk gear, turns out everything was just test or tren.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 11:46:22 AM
Insulin and GH may be what's meant by that.

I doubt it since she would be making an assumption. If it isn't on the list she can't assume.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 11:49:44 AM
She calls it an "unwitnessed cardiac event" which is why she listed all the other factors. You can't make a defense that steroids had nothing to do with it when she sites LVH as a major contributing factor and goes on to list seven steroid studies to support her findings. The damage was done as it relates to his left ventricle with severe concentric left ventricular hypertrophy.



Sure you can. Doesn't matter how many studies she sites. He had 1 steroid in his system. What are her finding, that the use of tren caused all this? Your average first time user of any steroid would have the same odds then.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 11:52:56 AM
I doubt it since she would be making an assumption. If it isn't on the list she can't assume.

Fair point.... but I can't see anything else that does turn up on the list?  I'm no expert, so would the tren alone be able to give him the ratio of t to epi-t of 130?  (where over 4.0 is flagged)....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 11:56:18 AM
Sure you can. Doesn't matter how many studies she sites. He had 1 steroid in his system. What are her finding, that the use of tren caused all this? Your average first time user of any steroid would have the same odds then.

This is like saying the alcoholic who died from cirrhosis of the liver was not an alcoholic because there was none in his system when he died. She's not saying he died from steroids she saying they and other factors contributed to his death. Steroids are directly linked to LVH. Personally I think BMI plays a huge roll too but his weight was not mentioned.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 12:02:29 PM
This is like saying the alcoholic who died from cirrhosis of the liver was not an alcoholic because there was none in his system when he died. She's not saying he died from steroids she saying they and other factors contributed to his death.

What other contributing factors? Oh his heart disease from family history? At 26 I doubt it. But couldn't you argue that steroids brought this on by itself or quicker than normal because of his history? If that is the case then wouldn't there be many people dying the same way? This kid was an anomaly  and was using boat loads of the 3 drugs I was listing. He was using them for years and in amounts that your "average" competitor wasn't. Steroids my ass!! GH, IGF and insulin!!!!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Parker on November 28, 2017, 12:03:25 PM
This is like saying the alcoholic who died from cirrhosis of the liver was not an alcoholic because there was none in his system when he died. She's not saying he died from steroids she saying they and other factors contributed to his death. Steroids are directly linked to LVH. Personally I think BMI plays a huge roll too but his weight was not mentioned.
And weight is also an issue. The heart can't tell  the difference between 330 pounds of muscle and sinew/organs, skeleton vs 330 pounds of fat/sinew/organs/skeleton.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: el numero uno on November 28, 2017, 12:04:03 PM
Sure you can. Doesn't matter how many studies she sites. He had 1 steroid in his system. What are her finding, that the use of tren caused all this? Your average first time user of any steroid would have the same odds then.

Epic denial.  ::)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 12:04:47 PM
Fair point.... but I can't see anything else that does turn up on the list?  I'm no expert, so would the tren alone be able to give him the ratio of t to epi-t of 130?  (where over 4.0 is flagged)....

No he was using test no doubt and I'm sure a lot of AI's too which can be very damaging to your health. I've been telling guys this for years to not over do this stuff. They are potent cancer drugs. with many life and death side effects.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 12:05:18 PM
And weight is also an issue. The heart can't tell  the difference between 330 pounds of muscle and sinew/organs, skeleton vs 330 pounds of fat/sinew/organs/skeleton.

Absolutely
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
Epic denial.  ::)

You obviously do not know what today's top guys are doing. If steroids killed this easily Pete Grymkowski would have died 20 times over by now.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 12:20:08 PM
So, basically, the abuse of steroids, growth hormone, insulin, over eating, being overweight, crappy eating, and a family history, contributed to his death.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 12:20:43 PM
So, basically, the abuse of steroids, growth hormone, insulin, over eating, being overweight, crappy eating, and a family history, contributed to his death.

YES  :(
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 28, 2017, 12:21:39 PM
And weight is also an issue. The heart can't tell  the difference between 330 pounds of muscle and sinew/organs, skeleton vs 330 pounds of fat/sinew/organs/skeleton.

its harder on the heart carrying additional muscle as opposed to fat, that muscle needs supplying with blood, fat is inert...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 12:22:51 PM
You obviously do not know what today's top guys are doing. If steroids killed this easily Pete Grymkowski would have died 20 times over by now.

This is exactly why the pathologist is listing "synergistic contributors". Why has Brian Shaw not dropped while other strong men, wrestlers, bodybuilders and other athletes have. Consider that Russian pairs skater that dropped on the ice and died at 28 with LVH and blocked arteries.

We are all tied to our genetics.

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: chess315 on November 28, 2017, 12:23:05 PM
It may not of been tren but HGH,if, insulin, myostatin blockers, steroids out the ass anti estrogen ,fat burners,pot being 330 let's not kid are self his heart got to big and stopped
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BSN on November 28, 2017, 12:26:29 PM
YES  :(

true and sad  :(
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: doggler on November 28, 2017, 12:27:50 PM
Autopsy pics ?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 28, 2017, 12:36:19 PM
Autopsy pics ?
(https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7468-1385565319-12%5B1%5D.gif)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: doggler on November 28, 2017, 12:37:13 PM
(https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7468-1385565319-12%5B1%5D.gif)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 12:37:14 PM
Expecting a flurry of fresh donations now the report is out.  Dig deep GetBig...

$57,231 of $150.0k

Raised by 504 people in 3 months

https://www.gofundme.com/dallas-mccarver/donate (https://www.gofundme.com/dallas-mccarver/donate)

The Dallas McCarver Foundation is a non-profit organization that raises money for underprivileged children. The Dallas McCarver Foundation’s ethos is “No Child Should Go Without!” - We are coming together to provide food, clothing, toiletries, books, and school supplies to those children who otherwise would go without. There are families struggling simply to make ends meet all over this country, and it’s our goal in Dallas’ honor to make sure that those children and families receive the support they desperately need! Dallas had a passion for giving back and he loved children, so with The Dallas McCarver Foundation we will fulfill his desire to give back and to those little ones he loved so much! Help us change children’s lives all over the country and maybe even one day… The World! We Love You Dallas!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: liquid_c on November 28, 2017, 12:39:01 PM
I can't believe his heart/kidneys/liver were that enlarged.  Especially how young he was.  I can only imagine how much HGH he must have been blasting.  Either that or he was extremely sensitive to it. 
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BSN on November 28, 2017, 12:39:15 PM
(https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7468-1385565319-12%5B1%5D.gif)

 :-X
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 12:52:47 PM
:-X

Fake.  This is the actual footage...

(http://78.media.tumblr.com/c7d407c61e4f030df5ae311565c2185f/tumblr_n538n5Byyv1qg4blro2_500.gif)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
Expecting a flurry of fresh donations now the report is out.  Dig deep GetBig...

$57,231 of $150.0k

Raised by 504 people in 3 months

https://www.gofundme.com/dallas-mccarver/donate (https://www.gofundme.com/dallas-mccarver/donate)

The Dallas McCarver Foundation is a non-profit organization that raises money for underprivileged children. The Dallas McCarver Foundation’s ethos is “No Child Should Go Without!” - We are coming together to provide food, clothing, toiletries, books, and school supplies to those children who otherwise would go without. There are families struggling simply to make ends meet all over this country, and it’s our goal in Dallas’ honor to make sure that those children and families receive the support they desperately need! Dallas had a passion for giving back and he loved children, so with The Dallas McCarver Foundation we will fulfill his desire to give back and to those little ones he loved so much! Help us change children’s lives all over the country and maybe even one day… The World! We Love You Dallas!

The Dallas McCarver Foundation does not have a website.  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on November 28, 2017, 01:12:22 PM
This is like saying the alcoholic who died from cirrhosis of the liver was not an alcoholic because there was none in his system when he died. She's not saying he died from steroids she saying they and other factors contributed to his death. Steroids are directly linked to LVH. Personally I think BMI plays a huge roll too but his weight was not mentioned.

2x

Denail of peace

Lots of steroids are not healthy, .........no matter how you put it
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on November 28, 2017, 01:13:53 PM
You obviously do not know what today's top guys are doing. If steroids killed this easily Pete Grymkowski would have died 20 times over by now.

So what ARE they doing?... give us a recap.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on November 28, 2017, 01:14:13 PM
Now we know why people said he had a big heart
Best post ever
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on November 28, 2017, 01:16:06 PM
(https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7468-1385565319-12%5B1%5D.gif)

No Tbombs flying out lol?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 28, 2017, 01:16:56 PM
So, basically, the abuse of steroids, growth hormone, insulin, over eating, being overweight, crappy eating, and a family history, contributed to his death.

basically the guy said 'fuk it'... and slingshoted his own ass straight to hell.... dude was a tard.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: ratherbebig on November 28, 2017, 01:19:23 PM
"Screening for additional steroids was negative,"

1 month before mr olympia, no steroids in his system, totally natural

if dallas was a natural, there is no reason to suspect that smaller guys are on anything.

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 01:21:26 PM
basically the guy said 'fuk it'... and slingshoted his own ass straight to hell.... dude was a tard.

Like many bodybuilders, he probably ignored doctors orders and continued on his path.

What else was he going to do?  ??? ???
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: ratherbebig on November 28, 2017, 01:24:24 PM
like most people he ignored doctors orders

dentist: stop with the sodas
doctor: stop smoking
dr champions: stop eating meat
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 28, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
cancer cells growing more rapidly - igf1 from gh conversion and exogenous igf1

i believe something is off with those Test figures

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

imagine this is active half life only..

based on this u can calculate what he was actually shooting, correlating with the massive LVH, and the atherosclerosis, and the HIGH LDL low HDL,and basically everything else
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 28, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
hence the comment AAS USE (it is directly linked to his death)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 28, 2017, 01:31:26 PM
i would have preferred them to delve deeper in  the enlarged liver and kidneys, and identify its exact pathology

enlarged anything can mean anything from anything
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: calfzilla on November 28, 2017, 01:33:22 PM
So first guy ever to die of steroids?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: mphgrove on November 28, 2017, 01:35:02 PM
So he had a widow maker heart attack? Interesting how they mentioned steroids as a cause of death with only Tren in his system. You could actually make a defense that steroids had nothing to do with it since A. they don't know the amount of Tren  he was taking and B. they don't know how long he was taking it.

What they didn't mention and didn't test for.

IGF
GH
Insulin

Insane amounts of those 3 with extreme over eating is what killed this kid. The plaque build up could have been

there even if he wasn't a bodybuilder with the family history but even so he would have died soon enough with all the other organ problems.

Why in God's name didn't this kid get at least a normal check up???? Even a chest X-Ray would have shown the enlarged heart. I'm willing to bet with his history of asthma he knew he had an enlarged heart.

Modern bodybuilding is dying a slow death. (no pun) Steroids have been around a long time, this shit didn't happen until the big 3 came in play.


Trust your expertise on the big 3 being bigger culprits than run of the mill steroids. Ties in with why the 25 year olds are looking like 45 and finishing their career at 30, while prior generations hit their peak in 30s and 40s. But are autopsies a perfect science? Is it really plausible that he only had tren or EQ in system at that stage of contest prep. Do we really know he wasn’t doing too much of LOTS all at once.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 28, 2017, 01:37:10 PM
Now we know why people said he had a big heart

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VGg_HTls8ME/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 28, 2017, 01:37:56 PM
So he had a widow maker heart attack? Interesting how they mentioned steroids as a cause of death with only Tren in his system. You could actually make a defense that steroids had nothing to do with it since A. they don't know the amount of Tren  he was taking and B. they don't know how long he was taking it.

What they didn't mention and didn't test for.

IGF
GH
Insulin

Insane amounts of those 3 with extreme over eating is what killed this kid. The plaque build up could have been there even if he wasn't a bodybuilder with the family history but even so he would have died soon enough with all the other organ problems.

Why in God's name didn't this kid get at least a normal check up???? Even a chest X-Ray would have shown the enlarged heart. I'm willing to bet with his history of asthma he knew he had an enlarged heart.

Modern bodybuilding is dying a slow death. (no pun) Steroids have been around a long time, this shit didn't happen until the big 3 came in play.


Yeah fuck the big 3 and stick with DECA it is healthy at least
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 28, 2017, 01:39:01 PM
So, basically, the abuse of steroids, growth hormone, insulin, over eating, being overweight, crappy eating, and a family history, contributed to his death.

If he was an asian turd like you he would have died sooner i bet
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 28, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
i would have preferred them to delve deeper in  the enlarged liver and kidneys, and identify its exact pathology

enlarged anything can mean anything from anything
(https://media.giphy.com/media/s3Zug4SSIPt6M/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 28, 2017, 01:40:36 PM
If he was an asian turd like you he would have died sooner i bet
ssshhh...adults are typing..
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 28, 2017, 01:43:15 PM
also his creatinine level was skyrocket high values, hence kidney disease



1205mg/l equals 120,5mg/DL

normal higher values men 1,2mg/dl

protein intake muscle waste protein turnover high BP high BW atherosclerois plaque buildup (etc etc)

all the tools are there for death on the long run, although he died of young age this took a LONG history of abuse
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: mphgrove on November 28, 2017, 01:46:50 PM
No way he wasn’t informed of his labs. Wasn’t he in the hospital after the bronchial incident at recent show. Comprehensive blood work, chest X-ray, even echo would have been likely. Marched ahead anyway because of demons or whatever reasons. At some level, there’s a shade of suicidal in it.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 28, 2017, 01:48:47 PM
No way he wasn’t informed of his labs. Wasn’t he in the hospital after the bronchial incident at recent show. Comprehensive blood work, chest X-ray, even echo would have been likely. Marched ahead anyway because of demons or whatever reasons. At some level, there’s a shade of suicidal in it.

Maybe thats the reason he had no steroids in his system, maybe he was cleaning up his act but it was too little too late.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 28, 2017, 01:52:02 PM
No way he wasn’t informed of his labs. Wasn’t he in the hospital after the bronchial incident at recent show. Comprehensive blood work, chest X-ray, even echo would have been likely. Marched ahead anyway because of demons or whatever reasons. At some level, there’s a shade of suicidal in it.

read the detective report next to the lab analysis

he was informed but shrugged it off
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: ratherbebig on November 28, 2017, 01:52:15 PM
no steroids means no steroids means natural

typical steroid accusing people, not even when autopsy report shows no steroids they can believe it  ::)

"all drugs!!!" nope... NO DRUGS!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: kepler2008 on November 28, 2017, 02:07:40 PM
(http://www.natural-health-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Enlarged-Heart-Cardiomegaly.png)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: calfzilla on November 28, 2017, 02:09:01 PM
The average medical examiner is unqualified to perform an autopsy on a bodybuilder.

We need special bodybuilding coroners who understand bodybuilders and the drugs.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Pet shop boys on November 28, 2017, 02:12:59 PM
at 300lb on stage there is 30lbs of enlarged organs


Man aged 26 dies, all internal organs enlarged  ........  genetics.


WooSHHHHHHHHHHHH we are forever living in denial
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
If he was an asian turd like you he would have died sooner i bet

Youve already admitted that you know those pictures are not me. At this point, the joke is really old and lame. But, whatever makes your little heart content.

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Pet shop boys on November 28, 2017, 02:16:22 PM
I can't believe his heart/kidneys/liver were that enlarged.  Especially how young he was.  I can only imagine how much HGH he must have been blasting.  Either that or he was extremely sensitive to it. 

You couldn't believe how enlarged his muscles were either  .....


But You tell these kids to slow down and you're automatically a Hater .


WoooSHHHH RIP
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 02:16:31 PM
The average medical examiner is unqualified to perform an autopsy on a bodybuilder.

We need special bodybuilding coroners who understand bodybuilders and the drugs.

I hope Jason Genova cleans up his act.  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 02:18:34 PM
this is what my sister said, who is a GP/ family doctor:


Interesting. Lots of severe pathology. Incorrect medical terminology in the journalists report (mixing up liver and kidney...) sounds like steroids may have played a role, may have been some natural predisposition too...

Although the autopsy seems to relate it more to the steroids than the GH I think?
I had a quick look and I can’t see clear links with enlarged liver. That can happen with heart failure, but not sure he had that. Seems like the cardiac hypertrophy probably due to GH and also causing raised cholesterol which probably led to coronary atherosclerosis.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Pet shop boys on November 28, 2017, 02:23:08 PM
He got a warning in March when he was taken out of stage and, among other things  had a really hard time breathing .



WoooSHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: calfzilla on November 28, 2017, 02:24:15 PM
I hope Jason Genova cleans up his act.  :-\ :-\

I don't give a shit about Genova. Love Big Lenny and the rest of the misfits but Genova is annoying and no longer entertaining, not that he ever was much anyway.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: TheFranchise on November 28, 2017, 02:24:31 PM
I doubt it since she would be making an assumption. If it isn't on the list she can't assume.

Non steroid hormones are those without a Sterol backbone, which does include HGH and Insulin (which are made of polypeptides).
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Fortress on November 28, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
So this is all well and good, but how’s his contest prep coming?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 02:31:30 PM
this is what my sister said, who is a GP/ family doctor:


Interesting. Lots of severe pathology. Incorrect medical terminology in the journalists report (mixing up liver and kidney...) sounds like steroids may have played a role, may have been some natural predisposition too...

Although the autopsy seems to relate it more to the steroids than the GH I think?
I had a quick look and I can’t see clear links with enlarged liver. That can happen with heart failure, but not sure he had that. Seems like the cardiac hypertrophy probably due to GH and also causing raised cholesterol which probably led to coronary atherosclerosis.

All those directly link to steroids not GH. Might want to ask your sister to review some retrospective studies.  

Here is one.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1768197/
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: JAGO on November 28, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
It will be very interesting to see Dave Palumbo's take on this.

J
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 02:40:49 PM
All those directly link to steroids not GH. Might want to ask your sister to review some retrospective studies.  

Here is one.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1768197/

that study only mentions hgh in passing.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
First off Dallas' Test ratio was within range. So, what does that tell us? It tells us that Dallas took in way too many nutrients and therefore his organs couldn't handle them.

The heart is a muscle and that muscle grew with the intake of protein and working out.

When you take in too much the NUTRIENTS HAVE NO WHERE TO GO!!!!

You see this with Klaus Doring. Many people who are ignorant claim synthol but if you've seen Klaus eat you know what is happening. There is a photo of Klaus drinking a huge glass of milk. Those nutrient have no where to go and bog down in certain muscle groups.

Lets stop tarnishing the good name of these athletes. Maybe if you people knew more about nutrient timing you wouldn't have to depend on Anabolic Steroids.




STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: JAGO on November 28, 2017, 02:47:41 PM
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
that study only mentions hgh in passing.

Exactly and ties AAS to LVH and detrimental lipid changes which can lead to atherosclerosis.
http://www.endocrinologyadvisor.com/cardiovascular-and-metabolic-disorders/steroid-use-linked-to-cardiovascular-adverse-events/article/664517/

HGH is not as well studied, however, does not directly effect lipid panels.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 28, 2017, 03:01:42 PM
for serious, tho... its too bad that he didn't die on some cannibal island out in the middle of butt fukin nowhere... cuz he coulda fed everyone there. way to be completely useless, dickwad.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 03:08:02 PM


I didn't know Dave had a defibrillator. This is what i like about him he is very open about his own issues.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Exactly and ties AAS to LVH and detrimental lipid changes which can lead to atherosclerosis.
http://www.endocrinologyadvisor.com/cardiovascular-and-metabolic-disorders/steroid-use-linked-to-cardiovascular-adverse-events/article/664517/

HGH is not as well studied, however, does not directly effect lipid panels.

i dont meant to nitpick and im not a user so hardly interesting to me, but that study didnt mention HGH.

at the end of the day you only have to see how many dead bodybuilders there are piled up, how many blew out their kidneys or liver or died after a show due to diuretics. I believe Jay said he even nearly had to quit the night show one olympia.

i believe guys like ronnie or lee priest used tiny amounts to get to pro level and then upped the dose and got to top 10. the guys like dallas, or others who used boat loads of gear for years wound up dead.

would be interesting to hear centofpanies' view on all this given his sudden turn towards being a health freak.


Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: JAGO on November 28, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
I didn't know Dave had a defibrillator. This is what i like about him he is very open about his own issues.

I agree . . . Anyone who is a fan of or participates in BB need to watch his content. It is getting better by the month and is the most comprehensive on the web.

J
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2017, 03:23:22 PM
i dont meant to nitpick and im not a user so hardly interesting to me, but that study didnt mention HGH.

at the end of the day you only have to see how many dead bodybuilders there are piled up, how many blew out their kidneys or liver or died after a show due to diuretics. I believe Jay said he even nearly had to quit the night show one olympia.

i believe guys like ronnie or lee priest used tiny amounts to get to pro level and then upped the dose and got to top 10. the guys like dallas, or others who used boat loads of gear for years wound up dead.

would be interesting to hear centofpanies' view on all this given his sudden turn towards being a health freak.




You're on the right track but you derail quickly. Pro's know how to flood their bodies with the proper ratio of nutrients at the right time. Get it wrong and thing go awry. This is why there is poor showings at bodybuilding contests. Newer Pro's are just starting to understand their bodies and what proteins, fats and carbs can do at the right times.

That autopsy showed nothing. You're conecting dots thats aren't there. So he had a bad lipid profile. He probably took in too many bad fats. Now to you and me bad fats can be disasterous but to him his body responded and he grew like a weed...AT A PRICE!

I know guys tha can eat taco's and pizza for pre contest. Supieor genetics and knowing one's body is key.




STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 03:28:46 PM
You're on the right track but you derail quickly. Pro's know how to flood their bodies with the proper ratio of nutrients at the right time. Get it wrong and thing go awry. This is why there is poor showings at bodybuilding contests. Newer Pro's are just starting to understand their bodies and what proteins, fats and carbs can do at the right times.

That autopsy showed nothing. You're conecting dots thats aren't there. So he had a bad lipid profile. He probably took in too many bad fats. Now to you and me bad fats can be disasterous but to him his body responded and he grew like a weed...AT A PRICE!

I know guys tha can eat taco's and pizza for pre contest. Supieor genetics and knowing one's body is key.




STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


right so he was perfectly healthy, a fine 26 year old male specimin, just happened to get dizzy one time and then mysteriously had a heart attack a few months later.  ::)

just like rich, perfectly normal, healthy guy... and I liked rich, he used to post here, liked his videos, like his discussion of the correct dick to ball ratio. a worthy getbig subject. but im just guessing that his supplements probably didnt help him live a long life.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 03:33:04 PM
right so he was perfectly healthy, a fine 26 year old male specimin, just happened to get dizzy one time and then mysteriously had a heart attack a few months later.  ::)

just like rich, perfectly normal, healthy guy... and I liked rich, he used to post here, liked his videos, like his discussion of the correct dick to ball ratio. a worthy getbig subject. but im just guessing that his supplements probably didnt help him live a long life.


Fallsview is doing a poor job at trolling. It's best to ignore him.

As you can see, no one responded to his first post in this thread, so he had to respond to someone else in order to elicit an reaction.  :D :D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
Fallsview is doing a poor job at trolling. It's best to ignore him.

As you can see, no one responded to his first post in this thread, so he had to respond to someone else in order to elicit an reaction.  :D :D

honestly when guys like lee priest say they got to pro level on minimal doeses but training and diet and world class genetics, I believe that. then they up the dose and get to top 10. whereas someone with shit genetics like bostin has lmost no response to huge amounts. when i did a few basic cycles I gained strength, but not that much size. lost 80% of the gains off the cycle as well.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 03:45:29 PM
honestly when guys like lee priest say they got to pro level on minimal doeses but training and diet and world class genetics, I believe that. then they up the dose and get to top 10. whereas someone with shit genetics like bostin has lmost no response to huge amounts. when i did a few basic cycles I gained strength, but not that much size. lost 80% of the gains off the cycle as well.

In the end, its best to avoid all types of drugs--the risk is just too high.

Its quite clear, as well as sad, that Dallas died from steroids, GH, insulin, bad eating, being overweights, and whatever else he was sticking in his body. I bet all this could have been avoided if he would have stopped the bodybuilding lifestyle and just led a normal, clean life.

Bodybuilding takes another one!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
The average medical examiner is unqualified to perform an autopsy on a bodybuilder.

We need special bodybuilding coroners who understand bodybuilders and the drugs.


Dude - did you see the tox screen?  I've never seen one so specific to bodybuilding - so someone must have asked for it - if not the coroner then...?

(https://s19.postimg.org/6ym8ukicz/Dm_C_Tox.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 28, 2017, 03:46:28 PM
honestly when guys like lee priest say they got to pro level on minimal doeses but training and diet and world class genetics, I believe that. then they up the dose and get to top 10. whereas someone with shit genetics like bostin has lmost no response to huge amounts. when i did a few basic cycles I gained strength, but not that much size. lost 80% of the gains off the cycle as well.

some guys actually grow on 10mg of anavar or stanozolol a day – some guys look great, even dosing their 10mg eod - u r not one of those guys... and comprehend as much. way to not be a fuking retard.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 03:47:16 PM
Maybe thats the reason he had no steroids in his system, maybe he was cleaning up his act but it was too little too late.

Boom.




(Rice-only diet, anyone...?)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 28, 2017, 03:48:48 PM
some guys actually grow on 10mg of anavar or stanozolol a day – some guys look great, even dosing their 10mg eod - u r not one of those guys... and comprehend as much. way to not be a fuking retard.

i think training and diet are more important ultimately
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 03:49:06 PM
He got a warning in March when he was taken out of stage and, among other things  had a really hard time breathing .

WoooSHHHHHHHH

And the autopsy report stated that he 'had no memory of nearly collapsing on stage'....  :o
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: calfzilla on November 28, 2017, 04:00:53 PM


Dude - did you see the tox screen?  I've never seen one so specific to bodybuilding - so someone must have asked for it - if not the coroner then...?

(https://s19.postimg.org/6ym8ukicz/Dm_C_Tox.jpg)

Impressive on the steroid end but what about insulin, gh, and DNP.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
Impressive on the steroid end but what about insulin, gh, and DNP.

DNP - good call - I've not seen anyone mention that yet.  Insulin and GH I think the thread has confirmed were not tested, but you're the first person to mention DNP so far....  But it's so far off my radar I have no idea if it can contribute to cardiac arrest or not - Walter White might have an opinion on this...?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: lilhawk1 on November 28, 2017, 04:10:31 PM
He had severe cardiomyopathy.  When your heart is that enlarged, you have a greater chance of sudden cardiac death.  That is likely what happened here.  He did have moderate to severe coronary artery disease, but did not die from that.  Sounds like he went into a fatal arrhythmia, and that was it.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 28, 2017, 04:28:59 PM
He had severe cardiomyopathy.  When your heart is that enlarged, you have a greater chance of sudden cardiac death.  That is likely what happened here.  He did have moderate to severe coronary artery disease, but did not die from that.  Sounds like he went into a fatal arrhythmia, and that was it.

Hmmmm.....

"Left ventricular hypertrophy and arrhythmia

Author
Philip J Podrid, MD, FACC  Section Editor  George L Bakris, MD  Deputy Editor Brian C Downey, MD, FACC

LVH has been associated with both ventricular and supraventricular arrhythmias [4]. Data, primarily from the Framingham Heart Study, have identified electrocardiographic LVH as a blood pressure-independent risk for sudden cardiac death (SCD) [5,6], acute myocardial infarction [7], and other cardiovascular morbidity and mortality [8]. (See "Clinical implications and treatment of left ventricular hypertrophy in hypertension" and "Electrocardiographic diagnosis of left ventricular hypertrophy".)


https://www.uptodate.com/contents/left-ventricular-hypertrophy-and-arrhythmia (https://www.uptodate.com/contents/left-ventricular-hypertrophy-and-arrhythmia)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: bigkahuna on November 28, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
His autopsy basically shows what will happen to your insides when you run test 7-10grams a week and GH at 36IU a day :-X
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2017, 05:32:25 PM
right so he was perfectly healthy, a fine 26 year old male specimin, just happened to get dizzy one time and then mysteriously had a heart attack a few months later.  ::)

just like rich, perfectly normal, healthy guy... and I liked rich, he used to post here, liked his videos, like his discussion of the correct dick to ball ratio. a worthy getbig subject. but im just guessing that his supplements probably didnt help him live a long life.


No he wasn't healthy. He ate tons of fats that were not the good kind. His lipids were out of whack. That is why he dropped along with the family history.



STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2017, 05:34:17 PM
In the end, its best to avoid all types of drugs--the risk is just too high.

Its quite clear, as well as sad, that Dallas died from steroids, GH, insulin, bad eating, being overweights, and whatever else he was sticking in his body. I bet all this could have been avoided if he would have stopped the bodybuilding lifestyle and just led a normal, clean life.

Bodybuilding takes another one!

You're a moron. Is that what you go by nowadays, SPF11 not naturalwonder? Ha....you make me laugh because of your stupidity. And to think you were even considered to be in the Mensa Of GetBig.

How many gimmicks do you run when people get sick of the SPF11 one?




STAY POSTIIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on November 28, 2017, 06:22:07 PM
If he was an asian turd like you he would have died sooner i bet

Asians have long life expectancy and heart disease typically don’t run in their genetics compared to other s
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 28, 2017, 06:28:32 PM

Man aged 26 dies, all internal organs enlarged  ........  genetics.


WooSHHHHHHHHHHHH we are forever living in denial




About time we start using our enlarged brains too, or does brain shrink like the balls
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 06:30:24 PM
You're a moron. Is that what you go by nowadays, SPF11 not naturalwonder? Ha....you make me laugh because of your stupidity. And to think you were even considered to be in the Mensa Of GetBig.

How many gimmicks do you run when people get sick of the SPF11 one?




STAY POSTIIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Move along dingus.

Its obvious and unfortunate why Dallas died--abuse of illegal substances mixed with other factors.

Now, run along, adults are talking.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 06:58:47 PM
DNP - good call - I've not seen anyone mention that yet.  Insulin and GH I think the thread has confirmed were not tested, but you're the first person to mention DNP so far....  But it's so far off my radar I have no idea if it can contribute to cardiac arrest or not - Walter White might have an opinion on this...?

SMH at people using this and this is an older study. :-\

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3550200/

Over the last decade, from 2001 to 2010, there have been 12 deaths related to exposure to DNP. These fatalities have been linked to deliberate overdose [4, 22, 69], accidental toxicity associated with use by bodybuilders or for weight loss [21, 28, 72–75] and accidental occupational exposure [33]. This resurgence in reported fatalities may reflect the increased availability of DNP over the internet, marketed particularly towards bodybuilders.

Preceding death, the patient is often profoundly hyperthermic and there may be associated methaemoglobinaemia. Death is usually secondary to massive cardiovascular collapse. There have been frequent reports of a rapid (within minutes) onset of generalised rigidity after death [6, 11]. This profound muscle rigidity has also been seen to happen before death making mechanical ventilation very difficult [21]. This early onset of generalised rigidity after death has been attributed to the release of calcium from the cytosol due to the depletion of ATP [22].
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Anna Recksiek on November 28, 2017, 07:00:02 PM
His heart was 3 times normal size, the rest of his organs were nearly 3 times their normal size.
 He was nearly 3 times the size of normal humans but only lived 1/3 normal lifespan.
I think it sucks to see him go.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 28, 2017, 07:16:58 PM
SMH at people using this and this is an older study. :-\

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3550200/

Over the last decade, from 2001 to 2010, there have been 12 deaths related to exposure to DNP. These fatalities have been linked to deliberate overdose [4, 22, 69], accidental toxicity associated with use by bodybuilders or for weight loss [21, 28, 72–75] and accidental occupational exposure [33]. This resurgence in reported fatalities may reflect the increased availability of DNP over the internet, marketed particularly towards bodybuilders.

Preceding death, the patient is often profoundly hyperthermic and there may be associated methaemoglobinaemia. Death is usually secondary to massive cardiovascular collapse. There have been frequent reports of a rapid (within minutes) onset of generalised rigidity after death [6, 11]. This profound muscle rigidity has also been seen to happen before death making mechanical ventilation very difficult [21]. This early onset of generalised rigidity after death has been attributed to the release of calcium from the cytosol due to the depletion of ATP [22].





, however it should have been there in autopsy if they test for it, since dnp is 36 hour half life
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Stephano on November 28, 2017, 07:19:57 PM
His autopsy basically shows what will happen to your insides when you run test 7-10grams a week and GH at 36IU a day :-X

Yeah, people don't seem to realize how much 550ng/ml test really is.  It's many grams per week.  He was probably hitting the tren really hard, too...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 28, 2017, 07:26:04 PM
Here we go again. Fans of bodybuilding drugs claim drugs are perfectly fine for your health. The risks are over blown. Pay no attention to all the users that have had an early death. Find a runner who had a heart attack and say, "See, it's just a genetic thing."  

Using steroids, growth hormone, insulin, speed, HGC, LH, clomid, EPO, thyroid, site oil injections and all the rest are a risk to health. Ever see a long term users face regarding how much steroids aged them. You don't need a myriad of blood tests. Just look at the old face.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Tennisballz on November 28, 2017, 07:38:30 PM
Move along dingus.

Its obvious and unfortunate why Dallas died--abuse of illegal substances mixed with other factors.

Now, run along, adults are talking.
Once again fallsview being very very negative.  Perhaps he should lead more by example.  As far as the drugs are concerned, you are absolutely right.  It's beyond me why anyone would take steroids this day in age being able to easily see, via the internet, what it does to people!  Additionally, it seems reasonable to assume that steroids have destroyed many lives that we didn't hear about because they simply weren't big enough stars to show up on our youtube feeds.  I also would question how many of these so called "light users" who are 30 today are going to die at 45 because of the ensuing health problems resulting from their use?  In my opinion, probably a lot.  As far as I'm concerned, the only people who should do steroids are athletes with enough talent to potentially make millions of dollars.  For the rest of us, I think it's a bad decision.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 28, 2017, 07:50:21 PM
Once again fallsview being very very negative.  Perhaps he should lead more by example.  As far as the drugs are concerned, you are absolutely right.  It's beyond me why anyone would take steroids this day in age being able to easily see, via the internet, what it does to people!  Additionally, it seems reasonable to assume that steroids have destroyed many lives that we didn't hear about because they simply weren't big enough stars to show up on our youtube feeds.  I also would question how many of these so called "light users" who are 30 today are going to die at 45 because of the ensuing health problems resulting from their use?  In my opinion, probably a lot.  As far as I'm concerned, the only people who should do steroids are athletes with enough talent to potentially make millions of dollars.  For the rest of us, I think it's a bad decision.

Fallsview tried to troll, but failed miserably.

Agreed on everything you said. I could totally understand why professional athletes do steroids--not to mention most of them are probably being monitored by top doctors, as well as having access to the best healthcare.

It seems like a total waste to stick any substance in your body for the sake of a few inches on your arms. But, that is the world we live in. Yes, Id imagine that there are many people who die of steroid use that we never hear about. All in all, it's best to stay away from them.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 08:07:23 PM
Non steroid hormones are those without a Sterol backbone, which does include HGH and Insulin (which are made of polypeptides).

The pathologist is not privy to this kind of info so I doubt he or she was referring to these substances so again why mention something that you didn't find?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Viking11 on November 28, 2017, 08:09:50 PM
This is sad, tragic, alarming and frankly a little stupid. Most of us are guilty, in part, of contributing to the insanity that in extreme cases, leads to things like this. Most kids and younger guys do think we are indestructable, which of course, isnt true, but some of us, like Dallas found out too late. Whether by doing it ourselves, as fans encouraging ever more freakish size, or judges rewarding it, all of us who have participated in the competitive end of the sport contribute to the problem. We can't say we weren't warned. People like Vince Gironda and Robert Goldman were saying a few decades ago, that it won't be until people start dying, including onstage that we will wake up. They were often mocked and laughed at, and right. I'm not saying we need to get all paranoid and freak out, but changes need to happen. From many of us. including the competitive agencies. I won't condemn them, but no more free passes. The classic physique division is a step in the right direction, although not a total solution. In the end we are responsible for our choices. Time to wake up. Before more tragic senseless deaths happen to good men.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 08:11:26 PM
also his creatinine level was skyrocket high values, hence kidney disease



1205mg/l equals 120,5mg/DL

normal higher values men 1,2mg/dl

protein intake muscle waste protein turnover high BP high BW atherosclerois plaque buildup (etc etc)

all the tools are there for death on the long run, although he died of young age this took a LONG history of abuse


CK levels that high are normal for the exercise that he did.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 08:14:05 PM
Trust your expertise on the big 3 being bigger culprits than run of the mill steroids. Ties in with why the 25 year olds are looking like 45 and finishing their career at 30, while prior generations hit their peak in 30s and 40s. But are autopsies a perfect science? Is it really plausible that he only had tren or EQ in system at that stage of contest prep. Do we really know he wasn’t doing too much of LOTS all at once.

Autopsies are not perfect science but labs results usually are spot on.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 08:19:07 PM
Autopsies are not perfect science but labs results usually are spot on.

Something totally absent from Piana's autopsy.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 08:27:07 PM
So what ARE they doing?... give us a recap.

Usually I'm an open book but no. I'm disgusted at what these guys are doing.

It is true though that you can now take minimal amounts of steroids and get HUGE! Imagine how safe it will be not having to partake in large amounts of those very dangerous life threatening steroids that grow your organs many times there normal size.  ::) ::)

Does anyone know who was training Dallas? I do know of one trainer who has his guys using basically test and tren and I find this to be a big coincidence. What they won't tell you is how much of the big 3 they are doing.

Does anyone here thing that if Dallas was using nothing but steroids he would be dead? First off if he was using nothing but steroids he wouldn't be a pro. When did guys first start dying young? You could trace it back to the 90's when slin first came around and guys started to weigh well over 300 in the off season.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
Something totally absent from Piana's autopsy.

Unreal. They seemed to just disappear.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 08:41:59 PM
Unreal. They seemed to just disappear.

His ex wife was the puppet master of 5% and something tells me she kept them from coroner who requested them.

Thing is he was open about all the drugs he took in his videos and even some of them have been taken down.

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 09:05:14 PM
His ex wife was the puppet master of 5% and something tells me she kept them from coroner who requested them.

Thing is he was open about all the drugs he took in his videos and even some of them have been taken down.



There has to be copies somewhere but if she is POA then no one can get them.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Stephano on November 28, 2017, 09:09:00 PM

It is true though that you can now take minimal amounts of steroids and get HUGE! Imagine how safe it will be not having to partake in large amounts of those very dangerous life threatening steroids that grow your organs many times there normal size.  ::) ::)

Thing is, Dallas wasn't on "minimal" amounts of anything.  550ng/ml!
And we don't know how much Tren he was on, either.  Could have also been grams.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 28, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
There has to be copies somewhere but if she is POA then no one can get them.

that sounds a little.... fishy
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 09:12:38 PM
that sounds a little.... fishy


Possibly smells fish too.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2017, 09:17:20 PM
There has to be copies somewhere but if she is POA then no one can get them.

True I am for my parents and when my mom passed (rip) I had full control of her medical records.


Possibly smells fish too.

Have you seen pics of his ex.. ???

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: LittleJ on November 28, 2017, 09:22:14 PM
CK levels that high are normal for the exercise that he did.

My ck levels are that high if I stop taking my meds for my liver.  I was told no working out years ago because workingout plus meds put me in the 1000 range. High ck levels isnt fun at all. I thought I was going to die :-\
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 28, 2017, 09:24:07 PM
I thought I was going to die :-

thats cuz ur supposed to die, silly.... let it happen.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: LittleJ on November 28, 2017, 09:25:04 PM
thats cuz ur supposed to die, silly.... let it happen.

No
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 28, 2017, 09:30:19 PM
No

kinda inflexible... which is definitely a character flaw
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2017, 09:31:38 PM
True I am for my parents and when my mom passed (rip) I had full control of her medical records.

Have you seen pics of his ex.. ???




Yeah doesn't appeal to me.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 28, 2017, 11:37:57 PM
Justin Compton has the same “health look” like what Big Country had

Justin is lucky his condition forced him to stop the insane food and dosages he was moving before he fell off the cliff like Big Country
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 28, 2017, 11:48:37 PM
Asians have long life expectancy and heart disease typically don’t run in their genetics compared to other s

Yeah thats true

But they are short with small dicks and suck at sports
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 29, 2017, 12:08:13 AM
Thing is, Dallas wasn't on "minimal" amounts of anything.  550ng/ml!
And we don't know how much Tren he was on, either.  Could have also been grams.

it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..

the topic starter and journalist clearly MISREAD the T values

everyone assumed they were right when they said NORMAL values....

nobody bothered to research the actual values..

Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

imagine this is active half life only..

based on this u can calculate what he was actually shooting, correlating with the massive LVH, and the atherosclerosis, and the HIGH LDL low HDL,and basically everything else
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 29, 2017, 12:13:17 AM
And Disgusted,

his CK was 120,5mg/DL

normal higher values men 1,2mg/dl

1000% increase from (agreed, sedentary non-exercising) normal range will give you (overblown) kidney disease

disease equalling to not safe..
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 29, 2017, 12:41:18 AM
it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..

the topic starter and journalist clearly MISREAD the T values

everyone assumed they were right when they said NORMAL values....

nobody bothered to research the actual values..

Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

imagine this is active half life only..

based on this u can calculate what he was actually shooting, correlating with the massive LVH, and the atherosclerosis, and the HIGH LDL low HDL,and basically everything else



He cooked his food in testosterone instead of oil
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on November 29, 2017, 01:24:51 AM
it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..


Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL


Ha, it was right there. I couldn't figure out why the Epitest ratio was 130, but it sorta looked like TRT levels. It's because you were already mentally set up to read it as DL instead of ML.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BIG DUB on November 29, 2017, 01:42:30 AM
it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..

the topic starter and journalist clearly MISREAD the T values

everyone assumed they were right when they said NORMAL values....

nobody bothered to research the actual values..

Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

imagine this is active half life only..

based on this u can calculate what he was actually shooting, correlating with the massive LVH, and the atherosclerosis, and the HIGH LDL low HDL,and basically everything else


 Michael Scally says to use a factor of 10 to determine dose when looking at blood work levels. So doing the math looks like Dallas was on at least 6g of just test alone...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: B R on November 29, 2017, 02:00:29 AM
Does the autopsy report confirm whether he died for us bitches or not?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 29, 2017, 02:07:58 AM
For health.... Gear>>>>>>>>>>gh and slin
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 29, 2017, 03:44:38 AM
anthonyroberts realised his mistake and went from "T levels within normal range" to " T levels very high"

thats getbig for ya


Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 29, 2017, 04:32:02 AM
anthonyroberts realised his mistake and went from "T levels within normal range" to " T levels very high"

thats getbig for ya





Antony roberts is another guy with the shittiest genetics in the world

Lucky for him he couldnt do shit in bodybuilding,  will live to see the age of 80
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Purge_WTF on November 29, 2017, 04:33:52 AM
Clogged arteries at that age? Damn.

 That's what happened with Mike Matarazzo. He went through pounds of red meat and jars of peanut butter on a weekly basis.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 29, 2017, 05:22:36 AM
That's what happened with Mike Matarazzo. He went through pounds of red meat and jars of peanut butter on a weekly basis.

I doubt diet plays much of a role

It was from all the shit he injected like a dumbass
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 29, 2017, 05:59:34 AM
its a combination of every and all of his lifestyle induced habits, but ofc the AAS and ergogenics clearly make up the greater part

i'm interested to know what his RBC, hematocrit and liver values were....

infact his whole hematology is of interest, pity




Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 29, 2017, 06:59:25 AM
That's what happened with Mike Matarazzo. He went through pounds of red meat and jars of peanut butter on a weekly basis.

 That's what happened with Mike Matarazzo Bob. He went through pounds of red meat and jars of peanut butter on a weekly basis.

Well bob is having the last laugh
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Stephano on November 29, 2017, 07:12:12 AM
Dallas was megadosing.  Kept it simple, though... just test and tren.  (GH, Insulin, IGF-1, and other peptides aside.)

By the way, how much of his GUT was just his enlarged organs?  Liver, kidneys, heart... and surely his intestines and stomach, as well.   :-X
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: calfzilla on November 29, 2017, 07:27:43 AM
Dallas was megadosing.  Kept it simple, though... just test and tren.  (GH, Insulin, IGF-1, and other peptides aside.)

By the way, how much of his GUT was just his enlarged organs?  Liver, kidneys, heart... and surely his intestines and stomach, as well.   :-X

Good question. This could give us a clue into the possible causes of Palumboism.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 29, 2017, 07:39:56 AM
lets try and find out how much he was taking

Testosterone: let's assume this (550ng/ml) is total T (specifics not indicated on report)

keep in mind normal high T values in young men are: 10mg/day T production

Blood volume: normal average weighing adult (72kg, 160pounds) has approx. 4,7Liters or 1,24gallon or 5quarts

regularly, blood volume is calculated on +- 68ml/kg basis

so in his case: 290ish pounds or 130kg BW multiplied by 68ml = roughly 8liters of blood (downsized)

i'm mentioning this difference because someone who weighs less than him would have yielded even higher blood results(!) for the same amount of injected mgs

unless anti aromatase was used, part of his T injections would have been converted (and ongoing) to Estrogen

also DHT conversion

for the sake of positive bias, we won't try to calculate that

Also, test esters have different half lives, so in order for us to be positively biased as to how much he jected, we'll take one of the more common longer versions: TE
(U'd need to inject more Prop compared to Enanth if u want to achieve an equal T concentration in blood)

Example:
100mg TE after 10 days: 50mg still in blood
100mg TP after 10 days: +-12mg still in blood
theoretically, this means that if we want to achieve 50mg of active T after 10 days with T prop, we'd have to inject 400mg

so u see, calculating his cycle as positively biased as possible (as low as possible) would have us go for minimal injections of TE

Also, don't forget a 100mg inject of TE is actually only about 70mg of T, the remainder 30mg being ester weight
pos bias wont account for that

SO: according to dose response studies in endogenous T deficient men, T enanthate 50mg/wk resulted in approx. 306ng/dl (3,06ng/ml) blood concentrations (5month study)
(blood analysis occurred at 7 day intervals)

600mg TE/wk = 2307ng/dl (23ng/ml)

(dose response curve: 12 times more T injected yet only 7 times more T in blood concentration, lets call this factor potency)

lets assume potency is halved every 500mg (again pos bias)

going from 23ng/ml to 550ng/ml would mean shooting 24 times 50mg  (1200mg) to obtain a clean result

however, including potency factor this would mean approx 5gr of T/ 7days

NOW: add in all the other factors and you arrive at a hypothetical 8+ gr/ T

I'd speculate even higher, 10+ gr/wk (TE) and i'm being very cautious   (TP even higher!)


i mean, we all knew this, its just nice to have the numbers adding up..
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: mphgrove on November 29, 2017, 07:45:40 AM
I doubt diet plays much of a role

It was from all the shit he injected like a dumbass

Well, diet does play a role in terms of pushing that much food through your system, especially the protein. May not matter much whether it is steak versus lean chicken. For Dallas, genetic predisposition played a big part obviously. But the “elephant in the room” question is how long would he have lived without the AAS, growth, insulin, and food combination? Palumbo didn’t go there at all. We seem to be debating the subtleties of diet vs. steroid vs. growth, etc., (as well as be sure to go to the doctor) but what about the un-subtle question of professional level bodybuilding vs. NOT.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 29, 2017, 07:47:04 AM
Good question. This could give us a clue into the possible causes of Palumboism.

phew, at least he didnt die for nothing....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on November 29, 2017, 07:49:30 AM
Dallas was megadosing.  Kept it simple, though... just test and tren.  (GH, Insulin, IGF-1, and other peptides aside.)

By the way, how much of his GUT was just his enlarged organs?  Liver, kidneys, heart... and surely his intestines and stomach, as well.   :-X

Interesting question, seeing how much organ enlargement is possible in the monsters is shocking. It's amazing how far out of the outlier ranges he was -


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182983 .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182984 .

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 29, 2017, 07:49:43 AM
Well, diet does play a role in terms of pushing that much food through your system, especially the protein. May not matter much whether it is steak versus lean chicken. Big time genetic predisposition played a part. But the “elephant in the room” question is how long would he have lived without the AAS, growth and insulin, and food? Palumbo didn’t go there at all. We seem to be debating the subtleties of diet vs. steroid vs. growth, but what about the un-subtlety of top level bodybuilding vs. not.

he was always a greedy fucker even before bodybuilding..
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/08/thumbnail/tahuty3a.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: doggler on November 29, 2017, 08:29:51 AM
he was always a greedy fucker even before bodybuilding..
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/08/thumbnail/tahuty3a.jpg)

He would be 600-700 pounds without drugs....

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: XFACTOR on November 29, 2017, 08:30:04 AM
he was always a greedy fucker even before bodybuilding..
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/08/thumbnail/tahuty3a.jpg)

Damn his BP and resting heart rate was probably brutal even in his teens!  Look at that face
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 29, 2017, 11:42:04 AM
He would be 600-700 pounds without drugs....



he told me on Muscular Development forums that he used to eat two bargain buckets of KFC every night.

he also told me he tried insulin once, I told him he shouldnt really be telling people that bearing in mind he was sponsored, I got banned???
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on November 29, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
he told me on Muscular Development forums that he used to eat two bargain buckets of KFC every night.

he also told me he tried insulin once, I told him he shouldnt really be telling people that bearing in mind he was sponsored, I got banned???



Are yu going to blame KFC now
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 29, 2017, 12:31:40 PM


Are yu going to blame KFC now

Im not going to blame anything, I couldnt give a flying fuck about him.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Royalty on November 29, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
he told me on Muscular Development forums that he used to eat two bargain buckets of KFC every night.

he also told me he tried insulin once, I told him he shouldnt really be telling people that bearing in mind he was sponsored, I got banned???

How much does a "bargain bucket" cost?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 29, 2017, 12:50:01 PM
How much does a "bargain bucket" cost?

its not cheap I can tell you that...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: HonestBob on November 29, 2017, 12:55:29 PM
lets try and find out how much he was taking

Testosterone: let's assume this (550ng/ml) is total T (specifics not indicated on report)

keep in mind normal high T values in young men are: 10mg/day T production

Blood volume: normal average weighing adult (72kg, 160pounds) has approx. 4,7Liters or 1,24gallon or 5quarts

regularly, blood volume is calculated on +- 68ml/kg basis

so in his case: 290ish pounds or 130kg BW multiplied by 68ml = roughly 8liters of blood (downsized)

i'm mentioning this difference because someone who weighs less than him would have yielded even higher blood results(!) for the same amount of injected mgs

unless anti aromatase was used, part of his T injections would have been converted (and ongoing) to Estrogen

also DHT conversion

for the sake of positive bias, we won't try to calculate that

Also, test esters have different half lives, so in order for us to be positively biased as to how much he jected, we'll take one of the more common longer versions: TE
(U'd need to inject more Prop compared to Enanth if u want to achieve an equal T concentration in blood)

Example:
100mg TE after 10 days: 50mg still in blood
100mg TP after 10 days: +-12mg still in blood
theoretically, this means that if we want to achieve 50mg of active T after 10 days with T prop, we'd have to inject 400mg

so u see, calculating his cycle as positively biased as possible (as low as possible) would have us go for minimal injections of TE

Also, don't forget a 100mg inject of TE is actually only about 70mg of T, the remainder 30mg being ester weight
pos bias wont account for that

SO: according to dose response studies in endogenous T deficient men, T enanthate 50mg/wk resulted in approx. 306ng/dl (3,06ng/ml) blood concentrations (5month study)
(blood analysis occurred at 7 day intervals)

600mg TE/wk = 2307ng/dl (23ng/ml)

(dose response curve: 12 times more T injected yet only 7 times more T in blood concentration, lets call this factor potency)

lets assume potency is halved every 500mg (again pos bias)

going from 23ng/ml to 550ng/ml would mean shooting 24 times 50mg  (1200mg) to obtain a clean result

however, including potency factor this would mean approx 5gr of T/ 7days

NOW: add in all the other factors and you arrive at a hypothetical 8+ gr/ T

I'd speculate even higher, 10+ gr/wk (TE) and i'm being very cautious   (TP even higher!)


i mean, we all knew this, its just nice to have the numbers adding up..

I think you're being quite conservative.  I've seen 10gms of test get a score of 14,000ng/DL...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Royalty on November 29, 2017, 01:03:13 PM
its not cheap I can tell you that...

Looks like it costs around $16

If he ate 2 per night, that's $224 on KFC alone per week ($896 per month)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 29, 2017, 01:07:24 PM
Looks like it costs around $16

If he ate 2 per night, that's $224 on KFC alone per week ($896 per month)
hes always lived on the bank of mom and dad....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on November 29, 2017, 01:20:11 PM
Serious question: how can this autopsy report be public? Is this normal in usa?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on November 29, 2017, 01:21:37 PM
read the detective report next to the lab analysis

he was informed but shrugged it off

Can not find it. Can you qoute please?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 29, 2017, 01:26:57 PM
I think you're being quite conservative.  I've seen 10gms of test get a score of 14,000ng/DL...

I am

it is impossible to know for sure, too many variables and unknowns

but the figures i wrote are the bare minimum
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dseiler on November 29, 2017, 01:27:23 PM
The only thing I have taken from this thread is GOOD GOD DAMN I need to lose some weight.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on November 29, 2017, 01:30:09 PM
Can not find it. Can you qoute please?

my mistake it's not a detective, its the forensic investigator report

located as appendix to the lab analysis documents
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on November 29, 2017, 01:30:34 PM
Serious question: how can this autopsy report be public? Is this normal in usa?

Depends on the State. Some only let the family/doctors/police have it. Some let others see it if there is a court proceeding that would need it. Some consider them public domain, and anyone can have them. Florida considers them public domain, so anyone can request them for a small fee.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 29, 2017, 02:13:51 PM
Interesting question, seeing how much organ enlargement is possible in the monsters is shocking. It's amazing how far out of the outlier ranges he was -


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182983 .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182984 .



According to the Almighty słin and gh have added about 20 kg extra to on stage weight

So that like 45 pounds and id say bout half lf that went to the gut and the other half to the legs, back and delta

Thier arms and chests aremt any bigger than the 70s 80s guys
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on November 29, 2017, 02:17:09 PM
According to the Almighty słin and gh have added about 20 kg extra to on stage weight

So that like 45 pounds and id say bout half lf that went to the gut and the other half to the legs, back and delta

Thier arms and chests aremt any bigger than the 70s 80s guys

DJ - I've got a random question for you - apologies if you've already answered it elsewhere.... do you get any blood work done when you're on a cycle?  Or track your blood pressure, perhaps?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 29, 2017, 02:24:31 PM
Looks like it costs around $16

If he ate 2 per night, that's $224 on KFC alone per week ($896 per month)

Kong of the brews with a titanium loyalty card from kfc
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: 6 Reps on November 29, 2017, 02:29:19 PM
Don't know the date of this photo, but it may have been near the end:
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 29, 2017, 02:30:27 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=639997.0;attach=750384;image)

if hes not careful there he could end up in a box...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: doggler on November 29, 2017, 02:31:06 PM
he told me on Muscular Development forums that he used to eat two bargain buckets of KFC every night.

he also told me he tried insulin once, I told him he shouldnt really be telling people that bearing in mind he was sponsored, I got banned???

You  hurt ex fat boy's feelings. ;D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 29, 2017, 02:34:26 PM
DJ - I've got a random question for you - apologies if you've already answered it elsewhere.... do you get any blood work done when you're on a cycle?  Or track your blood pressure, perhaps?

Never did while on cycle but i did last year when i came off completely

Worked with an endrocologist and he gave me clomid and supported my usage of aromosin

I fully recovered and my natural test levels were on tbe high end of normal
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 29, 2017, 02:35:19 PM
Never did while on cycle but i did last year when i came off completely

Worked with an endrocologist and he gave me clomid and supported my usage of aromosin

I fully recovered and my natural test levels were on tbe high end of normal
amazing, thats what joon did when he came off.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Royalty on November 29, 2017, 02:38:50 PM
amazing, thats what joon did when he came off.

Maybe Joon is DJ's Guru?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 29, 2017, 02:39:56 PM
amazing, thats what joon did when he came off.

Joon can suck my thick Germanic cock
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: bigkahuna on November 29, 2017, 05:57:17 PM
Funnily enough those closest to him at time of death (Flex Lewis, Josh Lenartowicz, Matt Jansen, Chad Nichols) have all remained quiet
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: HonestBob on November 29, 2017, 06:11:17 PM
I am

it is impossible to know for sure, too many variables and unknowns

but the figures i wrote are the bare minimum

Someone I know, whose opinion is very well educated, suspects he might have been doing 3-4gms of test a day. That's a fcuking inconceivable amount, and this is terrible for bodybuilding as it will encourage kamikaze kids to megadose even more.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 29, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
Don't know the date of this photo, but it may have been near the end:

All his final pics are still up. Kid was a beast.

https://www.instagram.com/dallasmccarver/?hl=en

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: maxkane69 on November 29, 2017, 08:27:25 PM
it looks like everyone is blind to this fact..

the topic starter and journalist clearly MISREAD the T values

everyone assumed they were right when they said NORMAL values....

nobody bothered to research the actual values..

Here it is once again:

Epitest ratio (T/E) should be 1:1 and maximum 6:1, his is 130, that to me seems to indicate severe use of T, which coincides with the

550ng/ML  (read ML not DL) normal level in males max. 12ng/ml

means he was DOPED out on T !  he'd have had 55000ng/DL

imagine this is active half life only..

based on this u can calculate what he was actually shooting, correlating with the massive LVH, and the atherosclerosis, and the HIGH LDL low HDL,and basically everything else


Basically Dallas Mcarver was on 10 g of Test a week !!! :o

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on November 30, 2017, 09:08:43 AM
Basically Dallas Mcarver was on 10 g of Test a week !!! :o



Wow...4x10cc bottles a week? 😳😳
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on November 30, 2017, 09:55:36 AM
Basically Dallas Mcarver was on 10 g of Test a week !!! :o



he doubled up with 40cc of site injections that happened to also have sustanon in them.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 30, 2017, 09:59:41 AM
Pure de bullshit @ 10 grams test
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: deadz on November 30, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
If he needed so much to grow he didn’t have the genetics to be a champion. Steroid pig got what he deserved.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: The_Punisher on November 30, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
Let us know when the IFBB gives a two shit about the state of Pro Bodybuilding.....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: calfzilla on November 30, 2017, 12:07:29 PM
Pure de bullshit @ 10 grams test

You should run the exact same cycle he was running and see what happens.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Tennisballz on November 30, 2017, 12:12:39 PM
Let us know when the IFBB gives a two shit about the state of Pro Bodybuilding.....
This is a great point.  They obviously know whats going on.  At what point will they step in and say enough is enough?  I fully believe everyone is responsible for what they do to their own bodies, but should the IFBB step in and at least try to make changes? Clearly nobody likes the way the current physiques look.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: mphgrove on November 30, 2017, 12:49:51 PM
This is a great point.  They obviously know whats going on.  At what point will they step in and say enough is enough?  I fully believe everyone is responsible for what they do to their own bodies, but should the IFBB step in and at least try to make changes? Clearly nobody likes the way the current physiques look.

They are kind of indirectly doing this (somewhat) by putting all the focus on Physique and Classic. But it’s hard for them to do it in a truly sincere manner because the passion for size (and the infrastructure to make size happen) is built into every aspect of bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 30, 2017, 12:59:19 PM
They are kind of indirectly doing this (somewhat) by putting all the focus on Physique and Classic. But it’s hard for them to do it in a truly sincere manner because the passion for size (and the infrastructure to make size happen) is built into every aspect of bodybuilding.
Physique and classic for the masses , turtle guts for the schmos
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 30, 2017, 01:09:17 PM
Physique and classic for the masses , turtle guts for the schmos

And stick arms for yourself
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: The Keto Kid on November 30, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Looks like Esfitness was wrong, 10 grams is the sweet spot!
#Team 40cc
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Tennisballz on November 30, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
Has anyone here known anybody that actually used 10 grams?? 
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 30, 2017, 01:45:52 PM
Has anyone here known anybody that actually used 10 grams?? 

As I said, it's fucking bullshit
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Tennisballz on November 30, 2017, 01:48:27 PM
As I said, it's fucking bullshit
so the autopsy report is either wrong has been falsified?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 30, 2017, 01:50:27 PM
Has anyone here known anybody that actually used 10 grams?? 

it has been done
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Parker on November 30, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
They are kind of indirectly doing this (somewhat) by putting all the focus on Physique and Classic. But it’s hard for them to do it in a truly sincere manner because the passion for size (and the infrastructure to make size happen) is built into every aspect of bodybuilding.
Its a half hearted attempt. The IFBB will not change unless they are required, either by loss of revenue or by a higher power or both.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 30, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
so the autopsy report is either wrong has been falsified?

It's wrong

Probably put all anabolic markers just on test when he was taking tren and dbol also

P.s. Dbol is effective as a test replacement

That's why the 70s dudes could take deca dbol and function well
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 30, 2017, 01:57:01 PM
And stick arms for yourself
18.5 at the moment honey...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on November 30, 2017, 02:02:19 PM
Has anyone here known anybody that actually used 10 grams?? 

Billy Mimnaugh, famous internet powerlifter, and creator of "option d" on Getbig ran this for a while till he got into some trouble with T-3 and his heart -

"Blood pressure is perfect.
Cycle
5,000 test
1200 tren
1200 masterone
1000 deca
1000 anadrol
Proviron 200 a day
Arimidex-50 a day
T3-100 micrograms a day
Synthroid-150 micrograms a day
50 nolvadex
Also injecting melantan 2.
Will be adding anavar and winny as well as letrozole"

www.instagram.com/bmimnaugh/?hl=en .
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on November 30, 2017, 02:04:43 PM
Billy Mimnaugh, famous internet powerlifter, and creator of "option d" on Getbig ran this for a while till he got into some trouble with T-3 and his heart -

"Blood pressure is perfect.
Cycle
5,000 test
1200 tren
1200 masterone
1000 deca
1000 anadrol
Proviron 200 a day
Arimidex-50 a day
T3-100 micrograms a day
Synthroid-150 micrograms a day
50 nolvadex
Also injecting melantan 2.
Will be adding anavar and winny as well as letrozole"

www.instagram.com/bmimnaugh/?hl=en .

response to gear like dj181

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on November 30, 2017, 02:12:42 PM
3-5 grams of test ok

10 grams get the fuck outta here

The Almighty says with gh you can up the test but his max test dose recomendation is 3 grams i believe
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: doggler on November 30, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
  Somebody should off that bloated mess.::)  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Nether Animal on November 30, 2017, 03:09:49 PM
Wtf... jesus
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: K A N N I B A L on November 30, 2017, 04:54:17 PM
It's wrong

Probably put all anabolic markers just on test when he was taking tren and dbol also

P.s. Dbol is effective as a test replacement

That's why the 70s dudes could take deca dbol and function well

Nothing like the expertise of 170lb internet bodybuilders/doctors....credit where credits due...at least you post pics though...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 30, 2017, 04:57:40 PM
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lol, the picture of health. not a bad depiction of mental illness.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Skeletor on November 30, 2017, 05:02:34 PM
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=639997.0;attach=750552;image)

WTF, this must be Stage 10 (terminal) Palumboism, he surpassed even Palumbo himself.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on November 30, 2017, 05:22:51 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 30, 2017, 05:54:14 PM
Dallas should have switched to a vegan diet.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Tennisballz on November 30, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
Dallas should have switched to a vegan diet.
I wonder if he had come off everything and switched his diet, if his organs would have come down in size?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SF1900 on November 30, 2017, 07:36:25 PM
I wonder if he had come off everything and switched his diet, if his organs would have come down in size?

Its an interesting question.

Clearly, lifestyle changes do significantly influence health outcomes.

However, I wonder if Dallas inflicted too much damage that he was at the "point of no return." But, I would assume that coming off of all drugs would have had some influence on his health.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on November 30, 2017, 07:55:09 PM
If he had cut a legit 100 pounds, or more... and then attended to the rest of his ailments... he could have perhaps prolonged his lifespan.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 30, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
I wonder if he had come off everything and switched his diet, if his organs would have come down in size?

I played ball with guys at West Point that came way down in weight after they stopped playing. One nose tackle was well over 300lbs and one of the biggest guys I've ever seen. I saw him at a company many years later and he had dropped to around 240 and was still trying to drop weight. Plenty of guys dramatically downsize and improve their health but none I knew ran what Dallas ran. It certainly would have given Dallas a lot more time especially if the atherosclerosis was treated.

Left ventricular hypertrophic regression can also occur with lifestyle changes and improved cardiac function. In Dave Palumbo's case he needed a defibrillator.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 30, 2017, 10:39:35 PM
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Seriously WTF is  this!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Fortress on November 30, 2017, 10:46:30 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Possibly the worst physique ever. Ever.

And look at that face/head!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Vince B on November 30, 2017, 10:52:23 PM
Many bodybuilders believe that the top guys are justified in taking steroids, etc. Well, those wannabes have even more motivation to overcome what nature gave them re physiques.

Our own DJ is a stellar example. Look at how he posts here as an expert re drug protocols!  This surely is the blind trying to lead the blind.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SOMEPARTS on November 30, 2017, 10:53:59 PM
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Ranch Warren or Raunch Warren?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on November 30, 2017, 11:05:51 PM
Many bodybuilders believe that the top guys are justified in taking steroids, etc. Well, those wannabes have even more motivation to overcome what nature gave them re physiques.

Our own DJ is a stellar example. Look at how he posts here as an expert re drug protocols!  This surely is the blind trying to lead the blind.

He has asked me advise so I think a lot of what he is posting is trolling and hoping for 100 pages. Hopefully Chaos will be in a bad mood one day and delete the thread. :D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on November 30, 2017, 11:24:11 PM
Seriously WTF is  this!!!!!!

Rofl, I always get a kick out of posts like this from you.  As a person who has in a sense seen it all, it's fascinating to me that you still find yourself disgusted at something new from time to time.  ;D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Vince B on November 30, 2017, 11:28:00 PM
He has asked me advise so I think a lot of what he is posting is trolling and hoping for 100 pages. Hopefully Chaos will be in a bad mood one day and delete the thread. :D

DJ isn't smart enough to know what advice is good and what is not so good. He is clueless so there is no consistency of anything.

By the time he processes any advice and uses his 'knowledge', which is dangerous, he changes things and stuffs everything up. He really does think he knows best.

He should be called Chaos and not the moderator who is quite conservative.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on November 30, 2017, 11:51:10 PM
Rofl, I always get a kick out of posts like this from you.  As a person who has in a sense seen it all, it's fascinating to me that you still find yourself disgusted at something new from time to time.  ;D

In all seriousness I don't often get a shock but I'm at a loss for words at what I'm looking at.  :-X
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 12:25:15 AM
Lulz at basshole taking every word i say so serious
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 01, 2017, 12:38:18 AM
Lulz at basshole taking every word i say so serious
lulz at basshole a 75 year old man owning you in an arm growing contest...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on December 01, 2017, 12:47:28 AM
yeah his BP is fine..

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHcoOqyD6Q4/?hl=en&taken-by=bmimnaugh (https://www.instagram.com/p/BHcoOqyD6Q4/?hl=en&taken-by=bmimnaugh)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: B R on December 01, 2017, 01:11:42 AM
yeah his BP is fine..

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHcoOqyD6Q4/?hl=en&taken-by=bmimnaugh (https://www.instagram.com/p/BHcoOqyD6Q4/?hl=en&taken-by=bmimnaugh)


Deadpool 2018 favourite right there. Maybe even 2017.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 01, 2017, 01:16:36 AM
In all seriousness I don't often get a shock but I'm at a loss for words at what I'm looking at.  :-X

Haha, yeah - that's what I think is so cool about it.  :D  It is pretty rare for you, and with easily a good decade plus of being involved in the top ranks of pro bodybuilding, it's just cool seeing you surprised from time to time - disgusted at a never before seen level of Palumboism.  :)

I'm always like "Did I just start following bodybuilding yesterday?  What in the... :-X", and then I see you are equally flabbergasted, and I feel human again.  ;D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 01:29:48 AM
^^^ I I I I I I I
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 01, 2017, 01:35:57 AM
^^^ I I I I I I I

Who is this person?:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZop_n9Bnfg/?hl=en&taken-by=bmimnaugh

He's lean, but...that can't be healthy.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on December 01, 2017, 01:45:36 AM
Nothing like the expertise of 170lb internet bodybuilders/doctors....credit where credits due...at least you post pics though...

Getbig for you haha
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 01:46:46 AM
Who is this person?:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZop_n9Bnfg/?hl=en&taken-by=bmimnaugh

He's lean, but...that can't be healthy.

Lean

Bahahajhahhahahahha

That is a soaking wet 10%
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 01, 2017, 01:48:08 AM
Nothing like the expertise of 170lb internet bodybuilders/doctors....credit where credits due...at least you post pics though...

Yeah, but 170 is healthy.  All my health markers are great.  This is the best I'll ever be, and I accept that - health has to come first.  I might be having a fourth baby soon.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Skorp1o on December 01, 2017, 01:48:33 AM
I don't normally have childish digs on people I don't know, but this is uncanny.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=639997.0;attach=750552;image)(https://aboucheamused.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/pewpampanga-stuffedfrogs.jpg?w=540)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on December 01, 2017, 01:58:00 AM
Justin Compton got be around what Dallas uses also

The upcoming generations seem to push the  envelope further and much more massive use than a jay cutler of yesteryears at the same time jay was using than the previous pro bbers
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 01:59:34 AM
Justin Compton got be around what Dallas uses also

The upcoming generations seem to push the  envelope further and much more massive use than a jay cutler of yesteryears at the same time jay was using than the previous pro bbers

More is better
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: kreator on December 01, 2017, 02:00:09 AM
Gayer than 50+ guy using Instagram for attention whoring
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 01, 2017, 02:01:30 AM
I don't normally have childish digs on people I don't know, but this is uncanny.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=639997.0;attach=750552;image)(https://aboucheamused.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/pewpampanga-stuffedfrogs.jpg?w=540)

Are those varicose veins?  And shouldn't they be treated?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on December 01, 2017, 02:20:46 AM
More is better

You should use 5 plus grams of test a wk and up all your dosages

Walk around massive
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 02:36:24 AM
You should use 5 plus grams of test a wk and up all your dosages

Walk around massive

I fucking hate the mass look wit a passion

Aesthetics is my gig

Never ever ever wanna weigh more than a buck 80 RIPPED
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: B R on December 01, 2017, 02:56:26 AM


Never ever ever wanna weigh more than a buck 80 RIPPED

Don’t worry,you won’t.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 01, 2017, 03:41:49 AM
Are those varicose veins?  And shouldn't they be treated?
yep, he needs to prioritise....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SuperTed on December 01, 2017, 03:46:21 AM
Has anyone here known anybody that actually used 10 grams?? 

I think cswole was doing 1 gram of Test a day. He might have done more at some points.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 03:51:56 AM
I think cswole was doing 1 gram of Test a day. He might have done more at some points.

One.gram is not outrageous

10 grams is

Accordling to all the shit i read bout test dose of pros 3 grams is max

3 grams of test plus 1 gram of an anabolic plus orals
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Stephano on December 01, 2017, 03:52:43 AM
One.gram is not outrageous

10 grams is

Accordling to all the shit i read bout test dose of pros 3 grams is max

3 grams of test plus 1 gram of an anabolic plus orals


You're an idiot.

Those are gymrat doses.  Gymrats don't develop 900g hearts or 4000g livers. 
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 03:56:20 AM
You're an idiot.

Those are gymrat doses.  Gymrats don't develop 900g hearts or 4000g livers. 

Thats what the vast majority of online peeps say

Not my words, they said it
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: SuperTed on December 01, 2017, 04:31:43 AM
One.gram is not outrageous

10 grams is

Accordling to all the shit i read bout test dose of pros 3 grams is max

3 grams of test plus 1 gram of an anabolic plus orals


Re-read my post. Cswole was doing 1 gram a day, so 7 grams a week.

I also doubt Dallas was doing anything that was hugely unique when compared to the other pro's.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: balzac on December 01, 2017, 05:54:14 AM

Ranch Warren or Raunch Warren?

Trench Barron
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on December 01, 2017, 06:01:31 AM
Who is this person?:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZop_n9Bnfg/?hl=en&taken-by=bmimnaugh

He's lean, but...that can't be healthy.

Ha, lover of wrestling, powerlifting, and bodybuilding, Billy is a legend. He's gotten older, so the posts have slowed down, but he was sort of like the Steve Michalik of powerlifting for many years. I've never seen full raw numbers for him but he'd be in the 1850 - 1900 range I'd bet, and his suitted numbers were a best total in the #2300 range. All the while, he'd chase a bodybuilding trophy here and there. Every few years would come with a bump in the steroids, and it was fun to watch.

He's one of the few that I believe whole heartedly because he just doesn't care, and has offered up far more embarrassing things over the years. To be fair, he was well put together guy years ago -

Early 2000's -

(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/Mimnaugh2.jpg).

(http://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/10608111_658072407663914_1062189195_n.jpg).


2007 -

(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_DAN0805.jpg).

I think he was around #3-4 grams here.

2016 -

(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13658534_614877788688950_1087835375_n.jpg).

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: usmcdevildoc on December 01, 2017, 09:09:51 AM
Funnily enough those closest to him at time of death (Flex Lewis, Josh Lenartowicz, Matt Jansen, Chad Nichols) have all remained quiet

1- Josh needed to learn CPR.
2- What about Nick Trigili? He was 'close'.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on December 01, 2017, 01:14:46 PM
I don't normally have childish digs on people I don't know, but this is uncanny.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=639997.0;attach=750552;image)(https://aboucheamused.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/pewpampanga-stuffedfrogs.jpg?w=540)

Omg this is horrid. Is there a backstory to this?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 01, 2017, 01:58:23 PM
Ha, lover of wrestling, powerlifting, and bodybuilding, Billy is a legend. He's gotten older, so the posts have slowed down, but he was sort of like the Steve Michalik of powerlifting for many years. I've never seen full raw numbers for him but he'd be in the 1850 - 1900 range I'd bet, and his suitted numbers were a best total in the #2300 range. All the while, he'd chase a bodybuilding trophy here and there. Every few years would come with a bump in the steroids, and it was fun to watch.

He's one of the few that I believe whole heartedly because he just doesn't care, and has offered up far more embarrassing things over the years. To be fair, he was well put together guy years ago -

Early 2000's -

(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/Mimnaugh2.jpg).

(http://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/10608111_658072407663914_1062189195_n.jpg).


2007 -

(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_DAN0805.jpg).

I think he was around #3-4 grams here.

2016 -

(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13658534_614877788688950_1087835375_n.jpg).



So he goes from being what appears to be a handsome man with a great physique to a man who appears to potentially have had a stroke [we can rule out Down syndrome based on the older photos], and whose physique is in an advanced stage of Palumboism?

That's kind of sad.  Was it years of powerlifting injuries that damaged his physique, but he wanted to keep on bodybuilding for some reason?  Did no one give him an objective assessment of his physique and tell him that he does not look that good in bodybuilding terms?  The former powerlifting numbers are impressive, both raw and suited.  But he should maybe not be on a bodybuilding stage.  Good conditioning though - although in some ways, that makes matters worse.  Because even in good conditioning, he can't look good anymore.

I seem to recall that user name somewhere.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on December 01, 2017, 02:28:03 PM
1- Josh needed to learn CPR.
2- What about Nick Trigili? He was 'close'.

To be fair, he'd have needed the resuscitation skills of Baron Victor Von Frankenstein to bring the kid back... he was blue when he got to him...  :-\
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 02:33:33 PM
To be fair, he'd have needed the resuscitation skills of Baron Victor Von Frankenstein to bring the kid back... he was blue when he got to him...  :-\
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Tennisballz on December 01, 2017, 02:51:19 PM
He looks like big lenny.  He should join the misfits.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on December 01, 2017, 03:07:37 PM
So he goes from being what appears to be a handsome man with a great physique to a man who appears to potentially have had a stroke [we can rule out Down syndrome based on the older photos], and whose physique is in an advanced stage of Palumboism?

That's kind of sad.  Was it years of powerlifting injuries that damaged his physique, but he wanted to keep on bodybuilding for some reason?  Did no one give him an objective assessment of his physique and tell him that he does not look that good in bodybuilding terms?  The former powerlifting numbers are impressive, both raw and suited.  But he should maybe not be on a bodybuilding stage.  Good conditioning though - although in some ways, that makes matters worse.  Because even in good conditioning, he can't look good anymore.

I seem to recall that user name somewhere.

Billy just loves powerlifting and bodybuilding. He's been around probably 30 plus years now. The powerlifting tore him up, it would be easier to list what he hasn't torn, than what he has. The response to his bodybuilding has been mixed, people goof on him, but he's kinda respected because he just does what he wants. He also did pretty good at a few medium sized Masters shows in the early mid 2000's (1st-3rd places), so there's that part.

With each show, he'd up the dose by a bit. Finally, if I remember correctly, he was too beat up from powerlifting, and decided to shift more toward bodybuilding. That giant stack was from mid 2014, and was sort of him trying to push it as far as it would go. It lasted a few months, then he had some heart trouble, and trouble from a tremendously misdosed batch of T-3. He was on his deathbed for a bit, but got (relatively) better, and seems to be back at it again.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on December 01, 2017, 03:16:16 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=639997.0;attach=750763;imag)e

 :D

That's a pretty jacked version of the monster....  I apologise if this seems in terrible taste to anyone, but I did this ages ago and this seems like an opportune moment for a repost - if anyone is offended, take it as a tribute....

(https://s19.postimg.org/6o54nypoz/Dallas_B_W_crp.jpg)
(https://s19.postimg.org/i0hq5tb9f/Dallas_Von_Frankenstein_B_W_crp.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: lilhawk1 on December 01, 2017, 03:58:55 PM
One.gram is not outrageous

10 grams is

Accordling to all the shit i read bout test dose of pros 3 grams is max

3 grams of test plus 1 gram of an anabolic plus orals


The standard dose of just test for National level competitors is 6-7 grams.  Thats just test alone.  Throw in all the other anabolic, and these guys are pushing 10 grams per week.  This is a common dose, yes some might use a bit less, and some more, but 6-7 grams of test is where most are at.  These are guys that haven't gotten there pro card yet.  The main culprit for the massive size increases once in the pro ranks is much heavier insulin and GH dosages, and legit IGF-1.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on December 01, 2017, 04:03:52 PM
Yeah, but 170 is healthy.  All my health markers are great.  This is the best I'll ever be, and I accept that - health has to come first.

smart.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: bigkahuna on December 01, 2017, 04:20:16 PM
:D

That's a pretty jacked version of the monster....  I apologise if this seems in terrible taste to anyone, but I did this ages ago and this seems like an opportune moment for a repost - if anyone is offended, take it as a tribute....

(https://s19.postimg.org/6o54nypoz/Dallas_B_W_crp.jpg)
(https://s19.postimg.org/i0hq5tb9f/Dallas_Von_Frankenstein_B_W_crp.jpg)

It always seemed fairly obvious that he was a heavy androgen user going by his mutated face
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Nether Animal on December 01, 2017, 04:22:30 PM
(https://s19.postimg.org/6o54nypoz/Dallas_B_W_crp.jpg)

(https://images.genius.com/5903b0a4e527ad5932507bf236da60fe.405x720x1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Nether Animal on December 01, 2017, 04:24:57 PM
(https://images.genius.com/5903b0a4e527ad5932507bf236da60fe.405x720x1.jpg)

 

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: oldschoolfan on December 01, 2017, 04:44:11 PM
to much to soon, when your young like dallas you really dont think anything can kill you .   
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 01, 2017, 05:11:39 PM
The standard dose of just test for National level competitors is 6-7 grams.  Thats just test alone.  Throw in all the other anabolic, and these guys are pushing 10 grams per week.  This is a common dose, yes some might use a bit less, and some more, but 6-7 grams of test is where most are at.  These are guys that haven't gotten there pro card yet.  The main culprit for the massive size increases once in the pro ranks is much heavier insulin and GH dosages, and legit IGF-1.

Holy shit!

But it is possible to run that much test only if there is gh in the blood yes?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on December 01, 2017, 05:31:13 PM
So he goes from being what appears to be a handsome man with a great physique to a man who appears to potentially have had a stroke [we can rule out Down syndrome based on the older photos], and whose physique is in an advanced stage of Palumboism?

That's kind of sad.  Was it years of powerlifting injuries that damaged his physique, but he wanted to keep on bodybuilding for some reason?  Did no one give him an objective assessment of his physique and tell him that he does not look that good in bodybuilding terms?  The former powerlifting numbers are impressive, both raw and suited.  But he should maybe not be on a bodybuilding stage.  Good conditioning though - although in some ways, that makes matters worse.  Because even in good conditioning, he can't look good anymore.

I seem to recall that user name somewhere.

A mental “sport” for you
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 01, 2017, 06:01:21 PM
(https://images.genius.com/5903b0a4e527ad5932507bf236da60fe.405x720x1.jpg)

 



Who is this person?  Is he a pro?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 02, 2017, 02:27:01 AM
The standard dose of just test for National level competitors is 6-7 grams.  Thats just test alone.  Throw in all the other anabolic, and these guys are pushing 10 grams per week.  This is a common dose, yes some might use a bit less, and some more, but 6-7 grams of test is where most are at.  These are guys that haven't gotten there pro card yet.  The main culprit for the massive size increases once in the pro ranks is much heavier insulin and GH dosages, and legit IGF-1.

If you wont grow on 500mgs test then you aint growing on 7 grams either.

stop spreading bullshit.
Injecting 7gms test a week alone and you would soon run out of places to shoot as the stuff wouldn't be dissipating fast enough.

Try it for a week.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on December 02, 2017, 02:27:54 AM
Who is this person?  Is he a pro?

Branch Warren has aged a lot since he went off cycle and retired
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 02, 2017, 02:31:14 AM
If you wont grow on 500mgs test then you aint growing on 7 grams either.

stop spreading bullshit.
Injecting 7gms test a week alone and you would soon run out of places to shoot as the stuff wouldn't be dissipating fast enough.

Try it for a week.

What about the alleged Test 400 blends?  We have one in Canada by Newport Labs - although there are many locations named "Newport", such as one of the towns in Aquidneck Island, Rhode Island (the biggest island in Rhode Island), but I'm pretty sure this Newport is Canadian - it is T400, but do you think it is real?

Technically, 2x1cc shots daily would get you to 5.6 grams of total test in a week.

Do you think those high dose tests actually contain the amount of test claimed?  Or is it just a lie for labs to sell more gear?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Henda on December 02, 2017, 02:34:05 AM
What about the alleged Test 400 blends?  We have one in Canada by Newport Labs - although there are many locations named "Newport", such as one of the towns in Aquidneck Island, Rhode Island (the biggest island in Rhode Island), but I'm pretty sure this Newport is Canadian - it is T400, but do you think it is real?

Technically, 2x1cc shots daily would get you to 5.6 grams of total test in a week.

Do you think those high dose tests actually contain the amount of test claimed?  Or is it just a lie for labs to sell more gear?

High concentration gear usually causes almost crippling post injection pain
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 02, 2017, 02:46:47 AM
High concentration gear usually causes almost crippling post injection pain

Hm, good sign it is real then.  I figured the pain may also relate to bad alcohols or poor preparation in the underground labs.

A friend of mine is using the T400 in question and ha been getting thigh pain.  It's too common for me to point to one cause, but I hadn't thought about the concentration in itself.  I will let him know.  Good post, Henda.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on December 02, 2017, 01:13:13 PM
So we solved the puzzle finally......big gut is caused by big organs?


Btw....how is it possible he had enlarged lungs?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 02, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
High concentration gear usually causes almost crippling post injection pain
this
Matt, if you think 10gms is anywhere near achievable then try and inject that amount of oil into your body and see how soon you run out of places to shoot.

just use a base oil if you dont want to use steroids

its 50ml of oil if you take 200mgs a ml as your guide
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on December 02, 2017, 01:32:59 PM
So we solved the puzzle finally......big gut is caused by big organs?


Btw....how is it possible he had enlarged lungs?

Lung capacity goes up with height and aerobic exercise
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 02, 2017, 02:23:15 PM
Talked to my gear supplier and he said no one hr knows shoots over 2 grams of test per week

And he supplies some big guys
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on December 02, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
Lung capacity goes up with height and aerobic exercise

For a natural athlete, yes.  But surely this autopsy of a 21st Century synthetic athlete is adding to the evidential trail that massive amounts of GH cause all of the internal organs to grow?  Which is kind of what we all presumed from the beginning.  I mean, if you think about the mechanism/pathway it utilises, bigger EVERYTHING seems to make sense, no?  (... ... Taffin waits for VonBilderass to school him...) ;D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 02, 2017, 03:10:22 PM
For a natural athlete, yes.  But surely this autopsy of a 21st Century synthetic athlete is adding to the evidential trail that massive amounts of GH cause all of the internal organs to grow?  Which is kind of what we all presumed from the beginning.  I mean, if you think about the mechanism/pathway it utilises, bigger EVERYTHING seems to make sense, no?  (... ... Taffin waits for VonBilderass to school him...) ;D

Correcto-mundo

Fuck gh and igf and slin

At least some gear like deca and primo are healthy
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: MAXX on December 02, 2017, 03:23:13 PM
It always seemed fairly obvious that he was a heavy androgen user going by his mutated face
redcon1 has a new guy theyre pushing with even worse roidface

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_4a7vndE5-w/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 02, 2017, 03:59:43 PM
this
Matt, if you think 10gms is anywhere near achievable then try and inject that amount of oil into your body and see how soon you run out of places to shoot.

just use a base oil if you dont want to use steroids

its 50ml of oil if you take 200mgs a ml as your guide

Just wondering if some guys have achieved it based on posts I have read over the years.  I believe Nasser originated the 10 grams of test per week as a base idea.  Whether or not that is in any way common is another matter.  With pros doing whatever it takes to win, I would be sure at least some have attempted it.

I'm of the mind that 500mg of test + 200mg deca and some dbol should make for great gains.  I think some obviously respond better than others - and better to mega-dosing.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: bigkahuna on December 02, 2017, 04:06:12 PM
Just wondering if some guys have achieved it based on posts I have read over the years.  I believe Nasser originated the 10 grams of test per week as a base idea.  Whether or not that is in any way common is another matter.  With pros doing whatever it takes to win, I would be sure at least some have attempted it.

I'm off the mind that 500mg of test + 200mg deca and some dbol should make for great gains.  I think some obviously respond better to others - and better to mega-dosing.

Matt refer to this video

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: bigkahuna on December 02, 2017, 04:08:09 PM
Just wondering if some guys have achieved it based on posts I have read over the years.  I believe Nasser originated the 10 grams of test per week as a base idea.  Whether or not that is in any way common is another matter.  With pros doing whatever it takes to win, I would be sure at least some have attempted it.

I'm off the mind that 500mg of test + 200mg deca and some dbol should make for great gains.  I think some obviously respond better to others - and better to mega-dosing.

Yes a natty who runs this cycle will make great gains.....but you won't get to pro size running those doses
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Nether Animal on December 02, 2017, 04:16:06 PM
Matt refer to this video



I hate that fucking guy. 
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on December 02, 2017, 05:05:22 PM
Who in their fucking right mind uses 10 grams of test, these guys deserve to die for stupidity alone

I would bet around 3 grams or 5 max

Broscience at its best
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 02, 2017, 05:18:55 PM
Who in their fucking right mind uses 10 grams of test, these guys deserve to die for stupidity alone

I would bet around 3 grams or 5 max

Broscience at its best

I said that long ago
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: ChristopherA on December 02, 2017, 05:25:46 PM
Yeah, but 170 is healthy.  All my health markers are great.  This is the best I'll ever be, and I accept that - health has to come first.  I might be having a fourth baby soon.
You gotta stop lying about your height. You re short as fuck. Don't balonie me with I was leaning back for the shot it makes no diff. You see how clearly short you are here
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 02, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
You gotta stop lying about your height. You re short as fuck. Don't balonie me with I was leaning back for the shot it makes no diff. You see how clearly short you are here

5'8.5" barefoot?  Around 5'9.3" as my max morning height.  I would have liked to be 5'10 as my dad is, and as my son likely will be.

That said, I just wear a decent shoe [NOT lifts, or anything like that], and have big hair.  I honestly think most people would guess my height as 5'9 to 5'10 because of those things.  :)

I wanted to be a bit taller maybe around 2005, but what I said about shorter height being good for the heart is a fact.  And I am grateful.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: chess315 on December 02, 2017, 06:00:05 PM
Has anyone here known anybody that actually used 10 grams??  
I read everything Paul borrseon wrote he was said to help Yates. A lot and others he advocated 3 week blast 10-15 grams a week. It on Google just Google it it's pretty interesting. I know yes for a fact people do that but I don't know how common it is you figure if you ran 10grams for a month it would take a while to get out of your system probably the whole month you was off. in my opinion it would be better to just run about 5 grams you start burning a lot of calories past that can lose weight that's what people have told me that tried it they started losing weight
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 02, 2017, 06:02:18 PM
Has anyone here known anybody that actually used 10 grams??  

Allegedly Nasser El Sonbaty.  Or as he was called on here, Nasshole Oil Syntholbody.  ;D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: illuminati on December 02, 2017, 08:16:09 PM
redcon1 has a new guy theyre pushing with even worse roidface

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_4a7vndE5-w/hqdefault.jpg)

Jordan Peters
Only late 20's or 30
Not a healthy individual
He's around 5"6 & 245ish on stage
Likes very large amounts of insulin
& Gear.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on December 02, 2017, 09:43:07 PM
Jordan Peters
Only late 20's or 30
Not a healthy individual
He's around 5"6 & 245ish on stage
Likes very large amounts of insulin
& Gear.

People like that deserve to be 6 ft under....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on December 02, 2017, 11:58:15 PM
For a natural athlete, yes.  But surely this autopsy of a 21st Century synthetic athlete is adding to the evidential trail that massive amounts of GH cause all of the internal organs to grow?  Which is kind of what we all presumed from the beginning.  I mean, if you think about the mechanism/pathway it utilises, bigger EVERYTHING seems to make sense, no?  (... ... Taffin waits for VonBilderass to school him...) ;D

Exactly what I am suggesting. Can we conclude this or not?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on December 03, 2017, 12:09:25 AM
redcon1 has a new guy theyre pushing with even worse roidface

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_4a7vndE5-w/hqdefault.jpg)

What a beast, ......but my liver is hurting just looking at him.
All of his hair is stil there though!
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Ted SuperSet on December 03, 2017, 12:12:24 AM
this
Matt, if you think 10gms is anywhere near achievable then try and inject that amount of oil into your body and see how soon you run out of places to shoot.

just use a base oil if you dont want to use steroids

its 50ml of oil if you take 200mgs a ml as your guide

Serious Q: how do they administer all those mgs? 25 diffirent injection spots?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 03, 2017, 03:56:07 AM
Serious Q: how do they administer all those mgs? 25 diffirent injection spots?

thats my question, it doesn't take long for injection sites to build up with hard tissue and to get sore...

I remember onetimehard saying that he knew pros that didn't even count mgs, they just kept shooting until they ran out of sites.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on December 03, 2017, 04:03:44 AM
thats my question, it doesn't take long for injection sites to build up with hard tissue and to get sore...

I remember onetimehard saying that he knew pros that didn't even count mgs, they just kept shooting until they ran out of sites.

Correct

He was very knowledgeable I’ve spokrn to him many times
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: el numero uno on December 03, 2017, 05:39:46 AM
What is the best estimate for what his lifespan would have been without pro bodybuilding?

If heart problems run in his family, we could at least look at the info of some deceased family members and "extrapolate" the age. Althought with such a small sample, I don't think we can expect the predictions to be accurate.

It's just a wild guess, of course.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 03, 2017, 05:48:03 AM
Dull ass
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on December 03, 2017, 03:38:10 PM
Looking like a typical young 26 year old here - surprised nobody ever suggested otherwise...?

@3:00

(https://s19.postimg.org/rz4klhszn/dallas_2037.jpg)

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: doggler on December 03, 2017, 04:13:10 PM
Looking like a typical young 26 year old here - surprised nobody ever suggested otherwise...?

@3:00

(https://s19.postimg.org/rz4klhszn/dallas_2037.jpg)



 ;D

I watched this vid today when I was looking for autopsy vids on Youtube and had to pause the vid at 3 min to look at his face.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on December 03, 2017, 05:07:23 PM
;D

I watched this vid today when I was looking for autopsy vids on Youtube and had to pause the vid at 3 min to look at his face.


Someone posted this on another board I read  (NSFW/Graphic) -

.

While they were looking at the lungs, etc...., my mind keep going back to this thread.

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: illuminati on December 03, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
Looking like a typical young 26 year old here - surprised nobody ever suggested otherwise...?

@3:00

(https://s19.postimg.org/rz4klhszn/dallas_2037.jpg)




That's
1, Not a healthy looking face
2, Or a face of a 26yr old
3, Kind of looks like mask / movie
Make up face.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Zillotch on December 03, 2017, 08:53:06 PM
Serious Q: how do they administer all those mgs? 25 diffirent injection spots?

everywhere u can imagine... from the fuking traps on down, lol – stick it wherever there is enough meat.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 03, 2017, 11:53:06 PM
Someone posted this on professionalmuscle

Quote
And if you want real and the truth?  Listen here and listen close.  You can tell me I’m bullshitting, but your head will only be up your own ass.  A close, close friend (and mine) of Dallas said the last cycle he saw Matt give Dallas was 23 grams.  23,000mg a week total.  Take it in, let it sit.  That’s what  REALLY goes on behind the scenes.

Rumor yes, but who knows. Doesn't seem possible, not due to lack of injection sites but physical and mental tolerability.

As far as Jordan Peters above:
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 04, 2017, 12:10:49 AM

That's
1, Not a healthy looking face
2, Or a face of a 26yr old
3, Kind of looks like mask / movie
Make up face.

Twins ???
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Tennisballz on December 04, 2017, 12:24:21 AM

That's
1, Not a healthy looking face
2, Or a face of a 26yr old
3, Kind of looks like mask / movie
Make up face.
maybe one of the photoshop guys could make his face green and put "SSSSSMMMMMOOOKIN!" on the pic.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Nether Animal on December 04, 2017, 06:11:11 AM
Someone posted this on professionalmuscle

Rumor yes, but who knows. Doesn't seem possible, not due to lack of injection sites but physical and mental tolerability.

How the fuck do they afford running that? I mean, that's what I question first before being able to physically tolerate it.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: usmcdevildoc on December 04, 2017, 06:45:26 AM
How the fuck do they afford running that? I mean, that's what I question first before being able to physically tolerate it.

G4P
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 04, 2017, 07:01:28 AM
How the fuck do they afford running that? I mean, that's what I question first before being able to physically tolerate it.

They typically get the steroids for free, in exchange for giving referrals, sometimes they move enough product themselves to get theirs "for free". The GH is bit harder to afford. Someone said Dallas was on 36iu so it's abit of money.

Here's an example of pros repping for a UG steroid lab, completely out in the open
https://www.instagram.com/lwpgainz2/
This is typical these days.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: falco on December 04, 2017, 08:15:42 AM
Dallas McCarver, IFBB professional bodybuilder, died after an unwitnessed cardiac event contributed to by of combination of coronary atherosclerosis (a buildup of plaque in the arteries) and an enlarged left ventricle (a thickening of the heart muscle that causes it to work harder). McCarver had a family history of cardiovascular disease (genetic predisposition) including both hypertension and atherosclerosis.
Dallas was found on the floor in his living room with food scattered around his body shortly after midnight on August 22nd, 2017. Paramedics were called and he arrived at the hospital in full cardiac arrest. He was pronounced dead at 1:03 A.M. An autopsy was performed the following day.
Noted at the time of autopsy was an enlarged liver and kidneys, nephrosclerosis (a hardened liver), heavy lungs, and a papillary thyroid carcinoma. Prior medical history includes cholesterol issues (high LDL/ low HDL), elevated aminotransferase levels, a chronic cough and shortness of breath, and childhood asthma.
His testosterone levels were within normal range at the time of death, despite having an elevated epitestosterone level (indicating testosterone replacement, though not abuse per se). Trenbolone metabolites were also present. Screening for additional steroids was negative, although he tested positive for caffeine and marijuana metabolites (neither of which are mentioned as contributing factors in his death). No other recreational drugs or narcotics were present. (Did not use Narcs and Party Drugs) because remember he was prepping for a show and atleast Nubain Metabolites should have been detected
Also noted (but neither tested for, nor listed as a contributing factor in Dallas’ death) was a prior history of hGH and insulin use.

Hypertrophy of organs 3-4 times normal size-
1. HEART- 833gms
2. Lungs 617 and 620gms
3. Liver- 4600gms
4. Kidneys -456 and 503

First time in any Autopsy report they have mentioned that

CONTRIBUTING CONDITIONS: CHRONIC USE OF EXOGENOUS STEROID AND NON-STEROID HORMONES


Source: https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/dallas-mccarver-autopsy-5ec5f959163d

Interesting that they did not reveal his testicular size.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: robcguns on December 04, 2017, 08:34:28 AM
everywhere u can imagine... from the fuking traps on down, lol – stick it wherever there is enough meat.

Exactly,you have the whole delta,tris,his,traps,lats,chest etc... pretty easy to find spots.I met a guy about 6 years ago at a gym in Worcester mass who was a USA competitor.He was about 5’10 275 at the time and pretty damn lean.we got to talking after seeing him daily for a few weeks and he said his off-season test dose was 6 grams a week of test alone and another 2-3 grams of other stuff.So I have no doubt guys out there do 15-20 grams a week.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 04, 2017, 08:42:34 AM
If you wont grow on 500mgs test then you aint growing on 7 grams either.

stop spreading bullshit.
Injecting 7gms test a week alone and you would soon run out of places to shoot as the stuff wouldn't be dissipating fast enough.

Try it for a week.
5ml x250mg/ml per injection  6times per week not impossible at all...stupid yes but not impossible. If you get to much hard tissue you just push the needle trough it
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on December 04, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
They typically get the steroids for free, in exchange for giving referrals, sometimes they move enough product themselves to get theirs "for free". The GH is bit harder to afford. Someone said Dallas was on 36iu so it's abit of money.

Here's an example of pros repping for a UG steroid lab, completely out in the open
https://www.instagram.com/lwpgainz2/
This is typical these days.

Akim Williams, Victor Martinez and Stan Efferding seem happy enough to endorse LWP there.  I particularly like the occasional pic of someone dressed in Physician's white - brings back fond memories of the original Met-Rx ads  ;D  

Which reminds me - what ever happened with regards to the Rodriguez bust?  The Jonny Bravo vids were coming thick and fast at one point...?  Anyone know anything...?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 04, 2017, 10:28:22 AM
5ml x250mg/ml per injection  6times per week not impossible at all...stupid yes but not impossible. If you get to much hard tissue you just push the needle trough it

perfect way to end up with an abscess

Have you ever injected the same place three or four times in a week?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: balzac on December 04, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
They typically get the steroids for free, in exchange for giving referrals, sometimes they move enough product themselves to get theirs "for free". The GH is bit harder to afford. Someone said Dallas was on 36iu so it's abit of money.

Here's an example of pros repping for a UG steroid lab, completely out in the open
https://www.instagram.com/lwpgainz2/
This is typical these days.

crazy prices...

http://lwpstore.com/pharmacy/ (http://lwpstore.com/pharmacy/)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: BB on December 04, 2017, 11:34:59 AM
crazy prices...

http://lwpstore.com/pharmacy/ (http://lwpstore.com/pharmacy/)

:-\ .

Also what type of fool buys a t-shirt advertising a steroid factory? -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaVJM-qltfn/?taken-by=lwpgainz2 .
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on December 04, 2017, 12:30:35 PM
crazy prices...

http://lwpstore.com/pharmacy/ (http://lwpstore.com/pharmacy/)

Yeah prices are waaaay too high. I know a place that sells 10 ml bottles of test 300mg for $20. How the hell is anyone making money that way? On a very rare occasion if I ever get asked by someone where they can get stuff I should tell them go fuck themselves but I just say in this day and age if you can't find them on your own then you are just being lazy.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 04, 2017, 01:48:59 PM
Yeah prices are waaaay too high. I know a place that sells 10 ml bottles of test 300mg for $20. How the hell is anyone making money that way? On a very rare occasion if I ever get asked by someone where they can get stuff I should tell them go fuck themselves but I just say in this day and age if you can't find them on your own then you are just being lazy.
I used to be able to get 10ml vials of test back in the early 90s for £3, thats 2 grams of test, that was from source, they sold at £30
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: denarii on December 04, 2017, 01:51:04 PM
:-\ .

Also what type of fool buys a t-shirt advertising a steroid factory? -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaVJM-qltfn/?taken-by=lwpgainz2 .

this is the same guy who in NYBB Bue was filmed driving without a licence or insurance?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on December 04, 2017, 02:31:20 PM
if boston pushed 16g
then why couldnt dallas push 20 or more

it correlates with the facts
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 04, 2017, 02:32:38 PM
if boston pushed 16g
then why couldnt dallas push 20 or more

it correlates with the facts


why didn't someone tell Dallas that 6gms is the sweet spot?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: chess315 on December 04, 2017, 06:08:42 PM
Yeah prices are waaaay too high. I know a place that sells 10 ml bottles of test 300mg for $20. How the hell is anyone making money that way? On a very rare occasion if I ever get asked by someone where they can get stuff I should tell them go fuck themselves but I just say in this day and age if you can't find them on your own then you are just being lazy.
it only cost 6 to make
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: visualizeperfection on December 04, 2017, 06:51:25 PM
crazy prices...

http://lwpstore.com/pharmacy/ (http://lwpstore.com/pharmacy/)

Insane.


I haven't been "on" in years. Those prices aren't talking me into it. Also, 600mg/ml?? Isn't that enough to knock it out of suspension?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Disgusted on December 04, 2017, 08:20:02 PM
I used to be able to get 10ml vials of test back in the early 90s for £3, thats 2 grams of test, that was from source, they sold at £30

The good ole days when you could walk into a pharmacy and for $80 could get a legit bottles of Anadrol. We were pissed at how expensive it was. Today a bottle goes for round $3000.00.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: WalterWhite on December 04, 2017, 08:31:00 PM
The good ole days when you could walk into a pharmacy and for $80 could get a legit bottles of Anadrol. We were pissed at how expensive it was. Today a bottle goes for round $3000.00.

I remember those days and it was perfectly legal in the US. I have no idea what d-bol is like these days but 15mg back could completely changed your physique. At least in the US you can get pham drol for wayyyy less then 3k. That can get you four or five kits of seros.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: The Scott on December 04, 2017, 08:38:59 PM
redcon1 has a new guy theyre pushing with even worse roidface

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_4a7vndE5-w/hqdefault.jpg)

Mickey Rooney back (from the dead) and jacked.

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftheredlist.com%2Fmedia%2Fdatabase%2Fmuses%2Ficon%2Fcinematic_men%2F1930%2Fmickey_rooney%2F19-mickey_rooney_theredlist.jpg&f=1)
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: The Scott on December 04, 2017, 08:42:42 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=639997.0;attach=751033;image)

He had the head and nose of an albino lowland gorilla.   Most likely a permanent side effect of GH.  Sheesh, what kinda fucktard does that to themselves?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: stuntmovie on December 04, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
Some damn interesting comments here about a subject which I know nothing about.

The most interesting comment that I think I can understand was submitted bt CALFZILLA as follows .....

"The average medical examiner is unqualified to perform an autopsy on a bodybuilder. We need special bodybuilding coroners who understand bodybuilders and the drugs."

Is there any truth to this?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 04, 2017, 09:26:20 PM
Some damn interesting comments here about a subject which I know nothing about.

The most interesting comment that I think I can understand was submitted bt CALFZILLA as follows .....

"The average medical examiner is unqualified to perform an autopsy on a bodybuilder. We need special bodybuilding coroners who understand bodybuilders and the drugs."

Is there any truth to this?

I think he was joking for the most part. Maybe they could have looked better at the tox screens, not that it would have made a difference. But it's unlikely weed was the only narcotic Dallas used. You can't do this many drugs without using a bunch of other drugs to get through the day. Things like kratom, tianeptine, phenibut, designer narcotics etc.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 04, 2017, 09:35:03 PM
Yeah prices are waaaay too high. I know a place that sells 10 ml bottles of test 300mg for $20. How the hell is anyone making money that way? On a very rare occasion if I ever get asked by someone where they can get stuff I should tell them go fuck themselves but I just say in this day and age if you can't find them on your own then you are just being lazy.

They are probably selling a lot though from the IG advertising. Then the pro reps can get cases of the stuff free, either to use or sell to guys at the gym.
Larry Wheels said "why order some crappy UG from Russia when you can go with the best domestic". As if this isn't a UG brewed from Chinese UG raws in some guy's garage. The one admining the IG page is some dyslexic retard, doesn't exactly instill confidence.

Why risk being associated with this? I mean Efferding and Flex Wheeler, what morons.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Bevo on December 04, 2017, 09:46:46 PM
Some damn interesting comments here about a subject which I know nothing about.

The most interesting comment that I think I can understand was submitted bt CALFZILLA as follows .....

"The average medical examiner is unqualified to perform an autopsy on a bodybuilder. We need special bodybuilding coroners who understand bodybuilders and the drugs."

Is there any truth to this?



You can’t be serious? Use your brain, “bodybuilding coroners” oh brother
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: chess315 on December 04, 2017, 09:48:46 PM
They are probably selling a lot though from the IG advertising. Then the pro reps can get cases of the stuff free, either to use or sell to guys at the gym.
Larry Wheels said "why order some crappy UG from Russia when you can go with the best domestic". As if this isn't a UG brewed from Chinese UG raws in some guy's garage. The one admining the IG page is some dyslexic retard, doesn't exactly instill confidence. I would guess they buy a lot and one of them make it

Why risk being associated with this? I mean Efferding and Flex Wheeler, what morons.
I don't see how you can argue with Larry wheels the best powerlifter in the world for Christ sakes. I would imagine they or one of there friends make it it's easy very cheap super easy you can make a hundred grams of test for 90$ tren about 6$ a gram . Dbol 3$ a gram
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 04, 2017, 10:41:43 PM

You can’t be serious? Use your brain, “bodybuilding coroners” oh brother

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 04, 2017, 11:12:31 PM
perfect way to end up with an abscess

Have you ever injected the same place three or four times in a week?
no have you? why would you need to do that? Lots of places to poke
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: bigkahuna on December 05, 2017, 12:27:01 AM
Was thinking it was funny how Dallas trainers and friends have not said anything of his autopsy.

However with the 55,000 Testosterone reading I guess they cannot claim he was on 500mg Test 200Deca and his death is from genetic predisposition.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 05, 2017, 12:41:38 AM
no have you? why would you need to do that? Lots of places to poke

not when you are putting in 40ml of oil....it would soon come around..
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: willl on December 05, 2017, 01:28:23 AM
Was thinking it was funny how Dallas trainers and friends have not said anything of his autopsy.

However with the 55,000 Testosterone reading I guess they cannot claim he was on 500mg Test 200Deca and his death is from genetic predisposition.

this is what palumbo said though...

lazy eyed fake ass snake oil salesman

Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: dj181 on December 05, 2017, 01:35:46 AM
not when you are putting in 40ml of oil....it would soon come around..

Would love to inject my right uppercut into yo chin b!tch
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: deadz on December 05, 2017, 05:58:57 AM
How the fuck do they afford running that? I mean, that's what I question first before being able to physically tolerate it.
That scumbag Singerman financed all his drugs.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on December 05, 2017, 04:24:39 PM
That scumbag Singerman financed all his drugs.

$15,000 a month buys a lot of hormones....
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Matt on December 05, 2017, 06:57:00 PM
Would love to inject my right uppercut into yo chin b!tch

Why are you being mean to him?  ???  Saying mean things to him.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: macos on December 05, 2017, 07:52:25 PM
Why are you being mean to him?  ???  Saying mean things to him.


Matt, get your estrogen levels checked son ;D
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: luckyone on December 06, 2017, 02:51:16 AM
Yeah, but 170 is healthy.  All my health markers are great.  This is the best I'll ever be, and I accept that - health has to come first.  I might be having a fourth baby soon.

Good DELTS Bro!! Congrats on maybe having a new child.

your brother in Christ,

Lucky
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 06, 2017, 10:54:29 AM
not when you are putting in 40ml of oil....it would soon come around..
well i have done tren and test prop plus boldenone and test enanthate 6 days a week for 8 weeks.. You dont have to shoot at the same spot in glutes shoulders etc... You only get abcess with dirty needles and gear even if you shooot trough hard tissue..
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 06, 2017, 11:02:07 AM
well i have done tren and test prop plus boldenone and test enanthate 6 days a week for 8 weeks.. You dont have to shoot at the same spot in glutes shoulders etc... You only get abcess with dirty needles and gear even if you shooot trough hard tissue..
the oil and gear isnt even dissipating before you have whacked in another, the muscle tissue is going to be saturated with oil.

Oh, and throw up a pic of you on this huge cycle.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: old-school-lifter on December 06, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
what did Liarnartowicz say, that Dallas died form choking?

yeah, choking on his enlarged internal organs
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: old-school-lifter on December 06, 2017, 01:37:45 PM
he had a massive heart attack

his heart arteries were clogged and his Left ventricle was already not pumping properly due to the hypertrophic cardiomyopathy

how old was he? 23

unreal
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 06, 2017, 01:40:58 PM
he had a massive heart attack

his heart arteries were clogged and his Left ventricle was already not pumping properly due to the hypertrophic cardiomyopathy

how old was he? 23

unreal

dont be silly, he was 26, 23 is no age to go...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: old-school-lifter on December 06, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
She calls it an "unwitnessed cardiac event" which is why she listed all the other factors. You can't make a defense that steroids had nothing to do with it when she sites LVH as a major contributing factor and goes on to list seven steroid studies to support her findings. The damage was done as it relates to his left ventricle with severe concentric left ventricular hypertrophy.



his heart arteries were all clogged due to years of  steroid abuse casuing a very low HDL cholesterol- this is a risk factor for heart artery blockage
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on December 06, 2017, 01:57:43 PM
his heart arteries were all clogged due to years of  steroid abuse casuing a very low HDL cholesterol- this is a risk factor for heart artery blockage

It kinda makes you wonder what the tipping point was.... I mean exactly what was it about his physical presentation that morning -
 presumably added to by the simple fact he was eating - that caused the fatal infarction.... can it even be assigned to that last mouthful before he dropped....?
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Simple Simon on December 06, 2017, 02:01:54 PM
It kinda makes you wonder what the tipping point was.... I mean exactly what was it about his physical presentation that morning -
 presumably added to by the simple fact he was eating - that caused the fatal infarction.... can it even be assigned to that last mouthful before he dropped....?
I like to think he was laughing...
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: old-school-lifter on December 06, 2017, 02:36:38 PM
he was always a greedy fucker even before bodybuilding..
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/08/thumbnail/tahuty3a.jpg)

in that pic Dalls has been steroiding for years already- look @ those chipmunk cheeks
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: illuminati on December 06, 2017, 02:50:17 PM
He was 26 !!
How many years was he Hitting it large on the Insulin, GH , IGF1 , Steroids

It's not like he had 12, 15,  20+ yrs at it.
Likely he had some congenital weakness to start with.

He had the genetics to grow large
But not the longevity genetics.
Title: Re: Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion
Post by: Taffin on December 07, 2017, 11:14:03 AM
I like to think he was laughing...

 :D

Wouldn't it have been ironic if he'd been laughing at something on here..?