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We've all seen the videos. Morons lining up for Palin, morons supporting Obama after being given McCain's policies as that of Obama. So do you think a test should be required before voting? Something like a license to vote like you get a drivers license? Something that requires a person to at least have a very basic understanding of the issues, government and political history?
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We've all seen the videos. Morons lining up for Palin, morons supporting Obama after being given McCain's policies as that of Obama. So do you think a test should be required before voting? Something like a license to vote like you get a drivers license? Something that requires a person to at least have a very basic understanding of the issues, government and political history?
I believe a person must pay income taxes in order to be able to vote.
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I believe a person must pay income taxes in order to be able to vote.
I disagree with that, they can't control the tax code so it's not their fault. That would also eliminate many active servicemen AND vets. Not cool imo... focusing on eliminating the intentionally totally clueless voters is probably a more serious consideration. It's also a consideration that comes with some problems. History has shown it's been used racially. At the same time, who the hell wants a voter to cast their vote on good looks or whatever, with absolutely no knowledge of government or the issues, like we've seen from so many videos posted here of both the right and left.
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I disagree with that, they can't control the tax code so it's not their fault. That would also eliminate many active servicemen AND vets. Not cool imo... focusing on eliminating the intentionally totally clueless voters is probably a more serious consideration. It's also a consideration that comes with some problems. History has shown it's been used racially. At the same time, who the hell wants a voter to cast their vote on good looks or whatever, with absolutely no knowledge of government or the issues, like we've seen from so many videos posted here of both the right and left.
My problem is that people whose sole support is from the govt are always going to vote for the guy promising more free shit.
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actually, such a requirement might increase voter participation. People don't seem to give a shit about what's free. Tell people they can't have it "unless they," and they line up. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I would be all for a more educated voter. Maybe they would put the time in to have the right where they wouldn't have done shit otherwise.
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actually, such a requirement might increase voter participation. People don't seem to give a shit about what's free. Tell people they can't have it "unless they," and they line up. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I would be all for a more educated voter. Maybe they would put the time in to have the right where they wouldn't have done shit otherwise.
The average fool pays attention the last two weeks and votes totally on bs issues and emotion.
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My problem is that people whose sole support is from the govt are always going to vote for the guy promising more free shit.
I understand, but you see my point right? You don't want to tell vets they can't vote right? Or how about all the people that are just turning 18? a great portion of them will not be earning enough to actually lose money in federal taxes, are you going to tell them they can't vote along with vets that don't earn enough? How about someone who gets sick, or how about the good wife of a pissant couch potato? on and on...
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oops, you changed your post to something I couldn't possibly comment on.
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Would never happen because the left wouldn't allow it. Every office would have a republican voted into it.
This would be akin to the literacy test that used to be required at polling places in the post slavery south.
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Would never happen because the left wouldn't allow it. Every office would have a republican voted into it.
This would be akin to the literacy test that used to be required at polling places in the post slavery south.
that's why I mentioned there were historical reasons to consider against it. Doesn't matter if it woudn't happen, I'm interested in what you think, not what would happen. Nobody here is going to affect anything anyway so I'm just curious about personal opinions.
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Then yes-- hell yes there should be a intel requirement.
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Ok, this is a stupid question, I'm changing the question:
Kari Byron from Mythbusters or Kris Williams from Ghost Hunters?
I'm going with Kris. :P
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college degree...GOT to set the bar SOMEPLACE
in which case i wouldn't be allowed to vote....which is fine by me
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Ok, this is a stupid question, I'm changing the question:
Kari Byron from Mythbusters or Kris Williams from Ghost Hunters?
I'm going with Kris. :P
pics or this thread is useless ;)
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People on government programs that recieve tax payers money should not be allowed to vote!! Do you honestly think they will vote in the best interest of America? Hell no they are going to vote for the person that wants to keep the handouts coming, even while that persons agenda completly fucks up the rest of America!!!
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interesting point... should any person getting a govt handout be able to influence elections?
I mean, Obama doens't SAY it... but everyone knows it... repubs will cut the handouts in a major way. I heard on Rush today that Obama/holder over-rode a local vote to keep party affil off of the ballt on a NC district - would hurt voters there who are strong dem voters.
Essentially, you vote DEM, you vote handout. Should ppl getting handouts be able to vote?
Although mccain promising to keep bush tax cuts is the same thing, for rich ppl./
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Democracy needs active voters. But to get that through introducing thresholds are a step back.
Instead focus should be on education.
Democracy is inclusive by nature, not exclusive.
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We've all seen the videos. Morons lining up for Palin, morons supporting Obama after being given McCain's policies as that of Obama. So do you think a test should be required before voting? Something like a license to vote like you get a drivers license? Something that requires a person to at least have a very basic understanding of the issues, government and political history?
Yes. Everyone should be allowed to vote regardless of how stupid. Study American history and the poll tax. I would not trust states having such discretion given our sordid past in such matters.
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democrates get the poor to vote dem by bribing them with money, not educating them as to the situations, that has been proven in 14 states. and when you offer a poor person money what do you think they are going to do? hmmmmmm
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democrates get the poor to vote dem by bribing them with money, not educating them as to the situations, that has been proven in 14 states. and when you offer a poor person money what do you think they are going to do? hmmmmmm
The great thing with democracy is that we can't tell other people how they should vote.
Regardless how stupid that vote may be.
The freedom to choose.
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Your right ACORN didnt tell them how to vote, they just paid them money to vote a certain way, hmmm and where does ACORN get its money from ? Oh yea the hard working tax paying citizens of America.
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"democrates get the poor to vote dem by bribing them with money, not educating them as to the situations, that has been proven in 14 states. and when you offer a poor person money what do you think they are going to do? hmmmmmm"
both sides do it.
mccain promised to keep bush tax cuts in place, a move that sure made wealthy people happy.
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One word 240 ( ACORN) it has been proven in 14 states
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Limiting who should be voting is what medieval cultures like Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations do.
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yeah, i agree on acorn. I'm just pointing out both parties try to appeal to voters by promising them $.
One point of view about the 'college degree' thing. What if obama suddenly decided (with his dem congress) to enact a law stating those with college degrees CANNOT vote, since they are obviously the minority and their beliefs are against the greater good or whatever. Dems would crush repubs in everything.
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maybe there should be a short 20 problem test before you can vote based on American polotics and American history, and if you fail you cant vote!!!! then it doent matter how much acorn pays you
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but i am sure the people who failed would cry racism or sexism or some kinda religous excuse would be givin, and enough people would cry that it would be deemed unfair to a certain group and done away with
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Your right ACORN didnt tell them how to vote, they just paid them money to vote a certain way, hmmm and where does ACORN get its money from ? Oh yea the hard working tax paying citizens of America.
do you have any proof that ACORN paid people to "vote a certain way"
when you write that Acorn gets money from hard working tax paying citizens of America what are you referring to?
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yes it was proven in in court in 14 states in America that acorn paid people to vote dem, look it up and if you don't know what i am referring to then i don't know what to tell you straw, except that i am not really surprised!!
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yes it was proven in in court in 14 states in America that acorn paid people to vote dem, look it up and if you don't know what i am referring to then i don't know what to tell you straw, except that i am not really surprised!!
you're the one making the claim so why don't you post a link rather than telling me to go find it
you didn't answer my second question which was for clarication of your statement that "ACORN gets its money from hard working tax paying citizens." What is the mechanism by which this happens?
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yes it was proven in in court in 14 states in America that acorn paid people to vote dem, look it up and if you don't know what i am referring to then i don't know what to tell you straw, except that i am not really surprised!!
evidence, please
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One word 240 ( ACORN) it has been proven in 14 states
Why are you so obesssed with such a small organization like ACORN, BPS? How many hours per week do you spend watching FIXED FOX News?
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Should it be required that there be a basic understanding of the issues and US government/history before voting?
I have no problem with the concept of a discerning individual in judgement of potential voters...so long as I am the discerning individual...
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Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.
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interesting point... should any person getting a govt handout be able to influence elections?
I mean, Obama doens't SAY it... but everyone knows it... repubs will cut the handouts in a major way. I heard on Rush today that Obama/holder over-rode a local vote to keep party affil off of the ballt on a NC district - would hurt voters there who are strong dem voters.
Essentially, you vote DEM, you vote handout. Should ppl getting handouts be able to vote?
Although mccain promising to keep bush tax cuts is the same thing, for rich ppl./
I guess we know how bailed out ceo's will vote :D
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Here is the law I would make. If you are currently a serviceman and are atleast age 18 and you can provide a legitimate i.id. then you can vote no matter what. But, if you are not a serviceman, then you have to be atleast age 21, you have to pay atleast 5% of your income in federal taxes, and you have to have voted in the previous off year election unless you were too young to vote in it. (You dont have to actually vote for anyone but there has to be a record of you atleast showing up at the voting booth.) And ofcourse you have to be able to show a legitimate i.d.
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Let's just say that hypothetically speaking there were criterias barring people from voting.
anyone would take a stab at what kind of riots that could lead to?
You discuss exclusion. I don't think that is the problem for democracy at all. The problem comes when there is low participation. Both in voting and in general.
Why not instead do the opposite. Like they do in Belgium. Slap people with a fine if they don't vote in the presidential election. Belgium has over 90 percent participation.
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Here is the law I would make. If you are currently a serviceman and are atleast age 18 and you can provide a legitimate i.id. then you can vote no matter what. But, if you are not a serviceman, then you have to be atleast age 21, you have to pay atleast 5% of your income in federal taxes, and you have to have voted in the previous off year election unless you were too young to vote in it. (You dont have to actually vote for anyone but there has to be a record of you atleast showing up at the voting booth.) And ofcourse you have to be able to show a legitimate i.d.
do you have a guesstimate of how many people this would keep from voting?
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Isn't this what the electoral college was "theoretically" supposed to protect from, lol?
I don't think there is any practical way to administer an intelligence test. I think the questions would be endlessly subjected to claims of bias, etc.
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Isn't this what the electoral college was "theoretically" supposed to protect from, lol?
I don't think there is any practical way to administer an intelligence test. I think the questions would be endlessly subjected to claims of bias, etc.
Hugo clearly did not think this through...
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Isn't this what the electoral college was "theoretically" supposed to protect from, lol?
I don't think there is any practical way to administer an intelligence test. I think the questions would be endlessly subjected to claims of bias, etc.
We have a test for people to become citizens that is more grueling than most people can pass no?
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First, the citizenship test does not test intellect. It tests mostly knowledge of history, English, and US government.
Second, I've heard a lot of criticism surrounding the fairness of the test given that many natural born citizens can't even pass it as well as what language it should be given in.
Third, you're talking how many thousands vs how many tens of millions?
And what's going to constitute a "non-idiot"?
If a business issue is on the table for an election, how much knowledge do I have to have about the mortgage crisis?
How we fight Afghanistan is extremely important. So does somebody have to understand military logistics not to be considered an idiot?
I think you see where I'm going and I just don't think it's reasonably practical to administer such a test.
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First, the citizenship test does not test intellect. It tests mostly knowledge of history, English, and US government.
Second, I've heard a lot of criticism surrounding the fairness of the test given that many natural born citizens can't even pass it as well as what language it should be given in.
Third, you're talking how many thousands vs how many tens of millions?
And what's going to constitute a "non-idiot"?
If a business issue is on the table for an election, how much knowledge do I have to have about the mortgage crisis?
How we fight Afghanistan is extremely important. So does somebody have to understand military logistics not to be considered an idiot?
I think you see where I'm going and I just don't think it's reasonably practical to administer such a test.
Skip, I am well aware of that, and all this hope of a better educated voter is just wishfult hinking on our part.
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Isn't this what the electoral college was "theoretically" supposed to protect from, lol?
I don't think there is any practical way to administer an intelligence test. I think the questions would be endlessly subjected to claims of bias, etc.
the reality of this ever happening is a joke, but in light of seeing countless videos of some of the dumbest people ever voting, I wanted to see what people felt personally just for the hell of it.
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do you have a guesstimate of how many people this would keep from voting?
Hopefully a lot.
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Hugo clearly did not think this through...
didn't think what through? The point of the poll was to get a feel for what others think. I wouldn't be for something like this, even if I think it's insane so many people go into vote with absolutely no clue.
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if you can pay taxes...You should be allowed to vote... 8)
Period, end of story.
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When I started the poll, I had something very basic in mind, like a small number of very basic questions. I mean you see people on the street being asked something like this: "What Party is Republican John McCain a member of" and you actually will see them fumble and say they don't know. WOW... Or you don't know who they picked as a running mate and you're going to vote? LOL.... Nothing in this thread could be implemented so it's just a way to bitch about it and see what people think.
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with a lot of these people, it's not that they're to supid to vote, it's probably that they haven't even given the election basics 5 minutes of their time.
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Another question might be: Should people who don't speak passible english be allowed to vote?
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oh but of course, everyone in the world should be allowed to vote on the American president, after all its going to end up a global govenment anyway, hell send the voter cards to iran...
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hell why dont we give the 5 dirt bags going on trial in ny a voter card, hmm wonder how they will vote????
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We've all seen the videos. Morons lining up for Palin, morons supporting Obama after being given McCain's policies as that of Obama. So do you think a test should be required before voting? Something like a license to vote like you get a drivers license? Something that requires a person to at least have a very basic understanding of the issues, government and political history?
They should go back to a poll tax.Only let those who pay taxes vote.
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No test is needed. You're an American so you get to vote.
Screw this thread...picks of Kris Williams big boobs or it didn't happen. ;D
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pics or this thread is useless ;)
Kari byron:
Kris Williams: