Author Topic: The Ten Commandments Upheld in Court (Read 15938 times)

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #50 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:39:29 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 03, 2006, 08:27:35 PM

The same argument could be made with the exsistence of God.

How so?

"God" has never stopped people from killing eachother. If anything it has made them kill eachother.

However feeling bad about doing bad has stopped them. I don't steal from people because i'd feel bad about it. Empathy.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #51 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:41:13 PM »

Quote from: Oldschool Flip on May 03, 2006, 08:36:36 PM

Now I know he doesn't have any kids! Hmmmmm....okay Mr. Wizard when a child bites or hits another child (1 1/2 to 2 yrs old) the other will either:

1. Cry
2. FIght back

If not for interjection from an adult, these children would grow up DOING THE SAME THING, unless they were TAUGHT differently. That's why we teach them or they would be tyrants.

It's only because they haven't developed the parts of their brain that make it so they have empathy.

There's a big difference between nature and nurture. In many cases no matter how you nurture your children they will grow up to be tyrants. Period.

Many dictators and tyrants had good childhoods. Many peacemakers had terrible childhoods.

Oldschool Flip · « **Reply #52 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:44:54 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Apollo on May 03, 2006, 08:41:13 PM

It's only because they haven't developed the parts of their brain that make it so they have empathy.

There's a big difference between nature and nurture. In many cases no matter how you nurture your children they will grow up to be tyrants. Period.

Many dictators and tyrants had good childhoods. Many peacemakers had terrible childhoods.

So these tyrants and dictators must be "genetically imperfect"? Most share no empathy.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #53 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:47:10 PM »

Quote from: Oldschool Flip on May 03, 2006, 08:44:54 PM

So these tyrants and dictators must be "genetically imperfect"? Most share no empathy.

If you think of lacking empathy is "imperfect"..

But yes studies have shown that criminals have genetics in common that make them less likely to feel sorry for others.

Oldschool Flip · « **Reply #54 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:48:36 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Apollo on May 03, 2006, 08:47:10 PM

If you think of lacking empathy is "imperfect"..

But yes studies have shown that criminals have genetics in common that make them less likely to feel sorry for others.

So HITLER was a CRIMINAL?

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #55 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:50:00 PM »

Quote from: Oldschool Flip on May 03, 2006, 08:48:36 PM

So HITLER was a CRIMINAL?

Did he break any international laws?

OzmO · « **Reply #56 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:51:42 PM »

Creationistly speaking if a population doesn't have God it can't survive. The individuals would be killing eachother left and right. Therefor some mechanism (god) of feeling had to evolve that makes people feel bad when they do bad things to others to prevent chaos.

That's how

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"God" has never stopped people from killing eachother. If anything it has made them kill eachother.

And niether has your morals in the genes.

OzmO · « **Reply #57 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:53:40 PM »

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Many dictators and tyrants had good childhoods.

Hilter had a bad childhood.

Was ordering the killing of people not against the law in germany?

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #58 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:55:03 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 03, 2006, 08:51:42 PM

Creationistly speaking if a population doesn't have God it can't survive. The individuals would be killing eachother left and right. Therefor some mechanism (god) of feeling had to evolve that makes people feel bad when they do bad things to others to prevent chaos.

That's how

Flawed argument. As i've mentioned before belief in a God doesn't prevent people from killing others. Belief in god INSPIRES people to kill others.

Does 9/11 ring a bell?

Higher crime rates corelate to belief in God

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html

Your argument is based on lies.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #59 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:56:34 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 03, 2006, 08:53:40 PM

Hilter had a bad childhood.

Was ordering the killing of people not against the law in germany?

Hitler actually had a fairly good childhood.

Secondly Hitler being feuhrer could get rid of any laws or make new laws that would support him. He wasn't limited to laws of Germany. He was limited to international laws. That's why the nazi prisoners of war were tried under international law opposed to german law.

OzmO · « **Reply #60 on:** May 03, 2006, 09:13:11 PM »

So he made laws allowing him to order people's death?

Were those in place in 1934 during the night of the long knives?

And on the God issue.... we had this disscussion earlier.... i don't have the energy or desire to get into with you. We agree to disagree. What i'm talking about is your logic can be applied in proving God.

And yes, Many have died becuase of God AND many have not killed becuase of god.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #61 on:** May 03, 2006, 09:15:41 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 03, 2006, 09:13:11 PM

So he made laws allowing him to order people's death?

Were those in place in 1934 during the night of the long knives?

Don't know.

Quote from: OzmO on May 03, 2006, 09:13:11 PM

What i'm talking about is your logic can be applied in proving God.

This is false.

OzmO · « **Reply #62 on:** May 03, 2006, 09:24:23 PM »

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This is false.

Only applies to your science...

And Hitler had a great childhood of beatings and torture...

Wonderful.

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Don't know

Don't know? Maybe you should do some research first before you talked about him not breaking any laws.

Typical.

Nazi's did great with their propaganda concering the warshaw ghetto also.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #63 on:** May 03, 2006, 09:31:40 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on May 03, 2006, 09:24:23 PM

Only applies to your science...

And Hitler had a great childhood of beatings and torture...

Wonderful.

Hitler wasn't tortured as a child. Just another myth like him being gay or being a jew.

Quote from: OzmO on May 03, 2006, 09:24:23 PM

Don't know? Maybe you should do some research first before you talked about him not breaking any laws.

Typical.

Nazi's did great with their propaganda concering the warshaw ghetto also.

I never said he didn't break any laws.

Oldschool Flip · « **Reply #64 on:** May 03, 2006, 10:16:14 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Apollo on May 03, 2006, 08:50:00 PM

Did he break any international laws?

That's not the point.

Quote from: Johnny Apollo on May 03, 2006, 07:19:46 PM

Morality is actions of right and wrong.

Our knowledge of morality comes form our genetics.

Our genetics evolved through natural selection.

If we didn't have "empathy" we wouldn't of lasted very long. Empathy is feeling bad when you do bad things to others.

Stating Empathy is genetic.

Quote from: Oldschool Flip on May 03, 2006, 08:44:54 PM

So these tyrants and dictators must be "genetically imperfect"? Most share no empathy.

Like it says tyrants and dictators share no empathy.

Quote from: Johnny Apollo on May 03, 2006, 08:47:10 PM

If you think of lacking empathy is "imperfect"..

But yes studies have shown that criminals have genetics in common that make them less likely to feel sorry for others.

Thereby IMPLYING tyrants and dictators are criminals.

Hitler was a dictator, so was he a criminal? According to this yes. You didn't specify what laws were broken to be a criminal, you just associated it with breaking the law period.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #65 on:** May 03, 2006, 10:22:16 PM »

Quote from: Oldschool Flip on May 03, 2006, 10:16:14 PM

That's not the point. Stating Empathy is genetic.
Like it says tyrants and dictators share no empathy.

Thereby IMPLYING tyrants and dictators are criminals.

Hitler was a dictator, so was he a criminal? According to this yes. You didn't specify what laws were broken to be a criminal, you just associated it with breaking the law period.

Hitler was a Criminal.

Oldschool Flip · « **Reply #66 on:** May 03, 2006, 10:40:39 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Apollo on May 03, 2006, 10:22:16 PM

Hitler was a Criminal.

OMG!! HE ADMITS IT!

Dos Equis · « **Reply #67 on:** May 28, 2006, 10:24:39 AM »

Man. Sorry I missed this one.

Migs · « **Reply #68 on:** May 29, 2006, 09:28:52 PM »

we never really had a seperation of church and state. I don't see the point of having the commandemtns in court.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #69 on:** May 29, 2006, 10:57:17 PM »

I can see the logic behind posting the last six, but not the first four.