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As per PWI....
Right now there is a lot of concern regarding the health of The Undertaker. He came back to work in Puerto Rico, as a warm up for his Breaking Point match, and that is when concern started. After WrestleMania, 'Taker had hip surgery, but it was played off as a minor thing. In reality, he had very serious surgery, possibly a hip replacement, and the company wondered if he would return at all. Taker is in a lot of pain, and noticeably slower; this is why the Breaking Point match was booked to be so short. Some are wondering if we will see him retire at WrestleMania 26. He is 44 years old.
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So the question is does he loose at Mania and if so who does he put over.
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I would prefer to see him not lose at Mania. Mainly because I don't think anybody right now deserves the push. But also, it sets up a possible return down the road.
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Undertaker looks extremely old nowadays in the ring.
I don't understand why some fans thought he was performing better than ever in the ring up until about a year ago. As soon as he hit around 40, he starting to break down pretty badly, physically. He's been wrestling less than half a year's schedule ever since.
Next year's 'Mainia should be his last even though Mcmahon will probably try to coax him into wrestling a couple of more years.
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I think on a limited schedule he's good for a few more years. Michaels has gotta be just as beat up and he's still going. If they can keep him going until he's 20-0 at WM, that'd be awesome.
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How do you think he'd retire? With a Flair like sendoff that he deserves or some crazy "magic" way because of him so into kayfabe.
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How do you think he'd retire? With a Flair like sendoff that he deserves or some crazy "magic" way because of him so into kayfabe.
Some kind of Coffin/Burn in Hell/Death match, where he loses and is slammed into a pit of flames, and the whole arena goes dark. Then the soul of the Deadman rises into the roof, and is gone forever.
;D
He's never gonna have a normal retirement, he even came out at Flair's send-off in character.
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He's never gonna have a normal retirement, he even came out at Flair's send-off in character.
I've heard that he doesn't attend the hall of fame show or other events because it wouldn't "fit" his character.
I don't think he'll get a normal retirement, he'll go out in some crazy fashion and never be seen again. I don't think he's the kind of guy that would do "comebacks" after he retires, one time, he's gone.
He's had an awesome run for sure.
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Fast forward to 3:35
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Some kind of Coffin/Burn in Hell/Death match, where he loses and is slammed into a pit of flames, and the whole arena goes dark. Then the soul of the Deadman rises into the roof, and is gone forever.
;D
He's never gonna have a normal retirement, he even came out at Flair's send-off in character.
That's actually not a bad idea.
Mind you, I would not like to see an end to the WM streak either. But who's to say he'll retire at Wm? It could be a SS or RR PPV.
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That's actually not a bad idea.
Mind you, I would not like to see an end to the WM streak either. But who's to say he'll retire at Wm? It could be a SS or RR PPV.
Definitely not the streak, for two reasons. Firstly, there is no-one in the WWE today who deserves to end that run, and secondly because that should be Taker's legacy. Flair is the '16 time World Champion' and Taker should be the 'Undefeated WM Phenom'.
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Definitely not the streak, for two reasons. Firstly, there is no-one in the WWE today who deserves to end that run, and secondly because that should be Taker's legacy. Flair is the '16 time World Champion' and Taker should be the 'Undefeated WM Phenom'.
Agreed 100%. If anything, I would imagine one final "killer match" like a hell in the cell or something extravagant on a good PPV show like Royal Rumble or Summerslam. If it is Wrestlemania, he will have to win to keep his streak.
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He only has Cena left to have afued with. Either him of a heel HHH. Who else is there? It would be a rip off if he looses the Mania streak. It would be even more of a rip off if he lost it to Cena. This is one of my fears. Cena doesn't deserve it.
Totally agree with you there, Chef. I don't even think C.M.Punk should be in the same ring with him let alone the same arena.
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I think on a limited schedule he's good for a few more years. Michaels has gotta be just as beat up and he's still going. If they can keep him going until he's 20-0 at WM, that'd be awesome.
But why keep going until he reaches that milestone? For the novelty of being 20-0? If he's going to continue to look like shit in the ring as he gets older, then what's the point of continuing? At this rate he'll be lucky to walk at age 50 if he quits now.
I understand the love and the passion these older wrestlers have for the business. The lifestyle sinks it's hooks into you and i'm sure its very empowering to get those cheers from the crowd. They have hard time letting go of that rush. But watching some of these guys trying to hang on for too long is pathetic. They look old and beat up and it's sad to see. Undertaker is not quite at that point but he's really on the cusp right now. He's had such a tremendous career in terms of longevity and popularity. I was a little kid when he first appeared on the scene with brother love in the late 80's.
Hang it up at 'Mania, Taker.....Nothing left to prove......
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I think on a limited schedule he's good for a few more years. Michaels has gotta be just as beat up and he's still going. If they can keep him going until he's 20-0 at WM, that'd be awesome.
Problem is that he is already on a very limited schedual. He has nothing left to prove. Time to hang it up as much as it sucks. Its is the reality of the matter.
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The thing at the moment is that he's still not recovered from his hip surgery, so that's affecting his performances. If he could take a couple more months off, and let it heal properly, then I think he'd be good for another couple of years. They could even give him a PPV only style gig, where he can make appearances on the TV tapings to build matches up, but no full on wrestling. Two and half years, 20-0 at WM and then he can leave, with arguably the most impressive career of all time.
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I really don't think he's in it to prove anything? Money and power. Thats his game. Just put yourself in his situation. That huge entrance. The crowd goes silent. He basically always wins. This is twenty years we're talking about! And from what I understand he's the Boss backstage. That Sara Tat is off his neck so I imagine he's a bachelor? People worship him across the entire Globe! He's The Undertaker. He cannot give that up. He's not going to retire until he absolutely has to. I don't want to see him suffer. But he's gonna because he's not gonna hang it up anytime soon.
That's exactly what was said about 'Randy the ram" in the movie "The Wrestler". He didn't know when to quit either. Look what happened to him at the end of the movie. The human body can only endure so much before it say, "I QUIT" and the person drops dead.
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Taker-Punk was originally scheduled to go on last but Taker requested to move it to the opener because he wasn't sure he was capable of a PPV-quality main event in the shape he's in.
Mike Johnson at pwinsider
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Taker-Punk was originally scheduled to go on last but Taker requested to move it to the opener because he wasn't sure he was capable of a PPV-quality main event in the shape he's in.
Mike Johnson at pwinsider
All credit to him, that shows how much he cares about the business and not himself, unlike other more ego-driven stars.
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Don't forget. He's 44 years old, folks. He just had a major hip replacement and his knees are fried. Care about the business? Lol....they are ALL EGO driven and only care about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. You need to know when to let go or like "Randy The Ram" in The Wrestler, your body breaks down and eventually --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Don't forget. He's 44 years old, folks. He just had a major hip replacement and his knees are fried. Care about the business? Lol....they are ALL EGO driven and only care about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. You need to know when to let go or like "Randy The Ram" in The Wrestler, your body breaks down and eventually --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't deny that he'll have an ego, but I think he's someone who can look at the bigger picture, and move aside when he knows he can't deliver the goods. Whether he can give up the high that performing gives him is another matter.
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I don't deny that he'll have an ego, but I think he's someone who can look at the bigger picture, and move aside when he knows he can't deliver the goods. Whether he can give up the high that performing gives him is another matter.
I give him 1 year max before he is forced to quite. Notice I said forced.
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on a side note, when did HBK become the Nasser of WWE? He turned google eyed over night.
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I give him 1 year max before he is forced to quite. Notice I said forced.
You think he'll be forced out? That would be a big shock if it happened, he's the head of the locker room, the most respected guy on the roster. I would think that Vince needs him about, as a figurehead to the younger guys. I agree that he hasn't got long left, but I think he'll retire of his own accord in the next few years.
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What could have happened to his eyes? Could he have had that lazy eye syndrome as a kid and it just came back? I'd bet anything he wears that low brim cowboy hat to hide it during interviews. Watch anyone of his matches and 90% of it is him getting his butt whipped. Could that have made his eyes crooked? Any ideas?
Exactly why he is over rated beyond belief. After this last "hell in a cell" ::) it proves what I thought all along........typical Micheals match.
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You think he'll be forced out? That would be a big shock if it happened, he's the head of the locker room, the most respected guy on the roster. I would think that Vince needs him about, as a figurehead to the younger guys. I agree that he hasn't got long left, but I think he'll retire of his own accord in the next few years.
Frced meaning due to severe injuries because he doesn't know when to call it quits.
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Come on he's not over rated at all. In the time of his career think of all the guys that have come and gone. If it's personnal? I get it. I will always hate the NWO and especially Bischoff. WOW it was cool at the time. New new new world order. For life. But now we look back at it and? It was a joke from the get go. Throwing garbage into the ring was completely disrespectful and really brought down Wrestling. It wasn't cool. Hall lost his macheesmo and Nash never had any. Completely dropped the ball with Savage and my beloved Mr. Perfect. And Sting in the rafters for years with that dumb crow face paint and ball bat. How's about Luger? Now take a look at HBK. Bret/Shawn is equivilant to Ali/Frazier. Michaels has had some of the best matches in Federation history. Every single one of them he has made exciting. I didn't see the DX cell match the other night. Maybe he looked like shite at the end? With his hair all messed up bald spot showing. But I don't even have to wonder? I'm sure he put on a great show! HBK is the showstoppa. I hope he wins next years Rumble.
No, no...every match the same....Sean gets beat up for several minutes, does the flip over the corner, the *pop* up from the ground, flying elbow, kick to the head......he wins, or he gets the *hot* tag to HHH....always the same. All Sean does good is get beat up. :(
BTW, Bret made Sean look good during their matches. ;)
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All wrestlers do the same moves over and over. Your telling me Bret didn't do the same things over and over again. Hogan. Undertaker. They all do the same things. How is HBK any different then Flair. Flairs career was based on talking smack and getting the living shit kicked out of him. Every single match Flair has been in he tries climbing to the top rope. The opponent catches him and chucks Flair off the top rope on to his back. He has done that every single match he has been in. Does Flair even have a finisher???? I've probably seen two people submit to Flairs figure four. Everytime he puts someone in it they roll over and reverse it on him.
I just don't think Seans move set is so impressive he deserves the moniker "The Showstoppa".....
In fact I'll go as far to say his matches pretty much bore me. :-\ I would rather watch Randy Orton because he brings that level of "unknown" to the match, Sean.....bleh, you know what you are going to see.
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Are you trying to press Chef Timmy's buttons here or what? What do you think about the Mania match against the Undertaker? When Shawns on the Big Stage no one compares. He's gonna go off both at the Rumble then steal the show at Mania.
He'll flop around trying to hide his bald spot for fifteen minutes, then pop up with a superkick. ::)
HBK should retire. HHH outshines him at every match and those young buck Cody/Ted have been carrying him for weeks.
The Mania match w him and 'Taker........let's just say we all see the toll it took on Undertaker to carry that 178lb HBK through that match.
Maybe a heel turn would work for Sean, he could let his arrogance shine through and be more creative? But his religion won't allow him to do those things anymore, so.... :-\
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Maybe a heel turn would work for Sean, he could let his arrogance shine through and be more creative? But his religion won't allow him to do those things anymore, so.... :-\
You mean act?
178lb. HBK...
;D
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You mean act?
Yes, I had heard that the last time DX did a reunion Sean wanted to get out of as many skits as possible that would conflict with his religious beliefs. If he can bend the rules to be an "edgy" good guy, how can he break them to be a good villian?
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It's only make-believe, Shawn...it's only make-believe.
You don’t have to actually crotch chop someone’s grandmother at the supermarket unless it’s part of a vignette.
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Shawn Michaels:
Positives - he is a great performer, great on the mic, excellent athletesizm.
Negatives - a major suck backstage, , doesn't take instructions backstage, refuses to job (lose) to people, not liked by a lot of individuals, attitude, attitude & attitude.
When the negatives outshine the positives, it will tarnish a career. Definately not the same Shawn Michaels as he USED to be. Lost a lot of weight (do to no gas...or training for that matter), lost a ton of hair and is 44 years old and has slowed down dramatically. He's already on a very light schedual. Over-rated? Absolutely. He's good...but not that good. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Hogan or Flair. Sorry. He's done. Over. Maybe he should stick to "praying". ::)
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Suppose the Undertaker retired tomorrow. Would we accept Kane as his predecessor? Kane's gonna get the biggest push of his career once Undertaker steps down.
(http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/-/Kane-Photograph-C10141177.jpeg)
successor
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We'll see come Wrestlemania.
They're already teasing a Michaels & Hornswoggle tag match at WM26 if you really must know. There's your showstopper. Reduced to teaming with a midget. Mind you anything is subject to change. The main event for survivor series is Cena vs HHH vs Michaels for the title. So they may even use that to beak up DX leading into the royal rumble.
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If Hornswoggle gets a main event match at WM, I will personally fly to Connecticut and punch Vince.
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Everyone always says HBK isn't a team player. Won't give anyone a push? If he's known as Mr. Wrestlemania how on Earth is VKM gonna match him with a midget on the big stage. How on Earth would Shawn agree to a match like this at Mania? Chef Tim says no way this is going down. If it does? Whats next? This little shit becomes the Heaveyweight Champion?
HBK is finished. He even admitted it. His knees are fried. Even now he is working an extremely limited schedual and mostly tag matches and he's the reason why DX was reformed so he could work less.
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So you don't agree that the fans weren't completely bored with HHH because he was way played out and had no where else to go? There's more to putting DX back together besides HBK. One last merchandise push. Come on HHH was completely played. There was no where else to put him. He needed to fade out of the main spotlight and charge back up. Remember after this lame asses Cena/Orton "Rivalry". It was the HHH/Orton suckfest Rivalry. What was the toilet of a fued HHH was in before that? I cannot remember either because he and Orton seemed to last flipping forever!!!!!!!!! Man did that suck!
Problem is that there is no one else for HHH to fued with. If WWE was smart they would lose the whole separate roster / brand thing and have anyone show up on any show. This would make it more exciting and open up more doors to more and new different fueds. DX was only put together because of Michaels' health. he is on a very limited schedual and his knees are fried not to mention his back. Being in a tag match offers him to be a part of the show but at a much less work rate. HHH clearly carries that team as he is the one mostly in the ring. Perfect example of that was on Raw monday night. Michaels stood outside the ring during the entire HHH vs Show match and then came in the ring at the 11th hour to throw one superkick, dance around like a horses ass and do a few cross chops.
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If they're done with the Legacy push, they should start on some of the other new talents. HHH vs Swagger could be good. And while they're at it, Orton vs MVP.
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If they're done with the Legacy push, they should start on some of the other new talents. HHH vs Swagger could be good. And while they're at it, Orton vs MVP.
Right now they are pushing for an Orton vs Kofi fued. They made Kofi lose the Jamaican accent as they felt it was holding him back as a talent to do good promos.
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So you don't agree that the fans weren't completely bored with HHH because he was way played out and had no where else to go? There's more to putting DX back together besides HBK. One last merchandise push. Come on HHH was completely played. There was no where else to put him. He needed to fade out of the main spotlight and charge back up. Remember after this lame asses Cena/Orton "Rivalry". It was the HHH/Orton suckfest Rivalry. What was the toilet of a fued HHH was in before that? I cannot remember either because he and Orton seemed to last flipping forever!!!!!!!!! Man did that suck!
they should cover hhh mug with a mask teach him some new moves and bring him back as a masked wrestler this should be good for at least a years worth of insanity.
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All HHH has left is to turn heel. Retire HBK. Go through a divorce with the Macs. And of course face the Undertaker on the Big Stage, Wrestlemania. As a good guy he's played out.
He already had a big fued with the Undertaker at an earlier WM when taker had his biker gimmick but they only had the one match and Undertaker won. I always liked HHH as a heel. He had way better promos and he was just a genuine prick as a heel. When he double crossed Michaels leading up to their street fight at Summerslam years ago (2002? I can't remember now) that match was crazy. Probably the best match I have ever seen those two in and the crowd was really into it. So I can see that happening. This DX on a PG show is ridiculous. People forget, the original DX had:
HHH
Michaels
Road Dogg & Billy Gunn
X-pac
Chyna
That is when DX was powerful and fun to watch. This two member thing we see now is pathetic. Like the NWO. It was great with Hogan, Hall & Nash, but when they started adding all these other wrestlers it became stale quick and it was the same story every Nitro. Someone got their ass handed to them via the NWO and its 40 members.
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He already had a big fued with the Undertaker at an earlier WM when taker had his biker gimmick but they only had the one match and Undertaker won. I always liked HHH as a heel. He had way better promos and he was just a genuine prick as a heel. When he double crossed Michaels leading up to their street fight at Summerslam years ago (2002? I can't remember now) that match was crazy. Probably the best match I have ever seen those two in and the crowd was really into it. So I can see that happening. This DX on a PG show is ridiculous. People forget, the original DX had:
HHH
Michaels
Road Dogg & Billy Gunn
X-pac
Chyna
That is when DX was powerful and fun to watch. This two member thing we see now is pathetic. Like the NWO. It was great with Hogan, Hall & Nash, but when they started adding all these other wrestlers it became stale quick and it was the same story every Nitro. Someone got their ass handed to them via the NWO and its 40 members.
thats exactly the problem not enough wrestlers..... and then you talk about the quality of the new talent pathetic. cut some paychecks and get some new talent, bring in at least 6 new acrobatic types 4 or 5 juicers than you got a roster.
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thats exactly the problem not enough wrestlers..... and then you talk about the quality of the new talent pathetic. cut some paychecks and get some new talent, bring in at least 6 new acrobatic types 4 or 5 juicers than you got a roster.
You forgot the most important factor...
Cut the parental guidance bullshit.
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You forgot the most important factor...
Cut the parental guidance bullshit.
That's the one right there. It can't stay this way forever, cos the younger fans now are gonna grow up and get as bored with it as we are.
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That's the one right there. It can't stay this way forever, cos the younger fans now are gonna grow up and get as bored with it as we are.
Nothing beat the attitude era of the 90's IMO. Obviously the 80's were great do to the boom but the 90's were awesome once the steroid trial bullshit was over with.
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You forgot the most important factor...
Cut the parental guidance bullshit.
true.
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They have to get rid of all the different titles and bring back the glam factor. Theres no one glamorous anymore. Being champion doesnt mean jack $hit. Nothing wrong with PG as long as they bring back the glamour in which they lost. Remember the training, the prayers, and the vitamins? How much more PG can you get? How long was Hogan Champ? What about Honky and the IC belt? The titles meant something. Now they switch hands every three weeks. I watch the federation everytime its on and have no idea the names of all the belts or who has them for that matter.
PG will be the downfall of the wwe and have it downsized bigtime. Mark my word.
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whats the reasoning behind the PG rating anyways? I still believe PG or not if they just made a few simple changes. Us fans would be way more satisfied with the Federations programs.
With this PG BS, the divas are all covered up, the guys can't really swear or do anything hardcore (example, a guy takes a chair shot, they won't show it. They'll show the crowd instead), there are less high spot bumps involved, the interviews made for tv are sensored, etc. Watch a WWE RAW episode from 2000 when Austin was the main man and watch one of today's Raw episodes and you'll see exactly what I mean.
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Boy does that Demolition interview bring back some good memories. I loved Demolition back in 88-89. Clearly one of the most dominant tag team.