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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Teutonic Knight on September 05, 2013, 02:01:42 AM
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On another website :o can anyone confirm :'( :'( :'(
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Someone updated his Wikipedia page to show that he has passed. :o :(
Nothing on his website yet.
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On Shawn Rays facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/MrOlympiaShawnRay
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Sad news I met him once he was older and fat but still had respect for his accomplishments . RIP
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R.I.P Casey
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RIP
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On Shawn Rays facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/MrOlympiaShawnRay
"Mr Olympia" Shawn Ray, haha
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Colorado Experiment of Peace. ::)
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Sad day if true.
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Sad day if true.
It is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Viator
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Doing some heavy ass squats and deadlifts with Mike and Ray Mentzer up above.
Right now. This moment. As we speak. ;D
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"Mr Olympia" Shawn Ray, haha
He's such a miserable bitch.
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If it does turnout to be true, I'm guessing it will be something heart related. He was still a huge guy a couple of years back -
(http://www.highintensitynation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/casey-now.jpg).
Rip.
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it's a miracle he lived so old, like rich gapari for example.
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It is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Viator
I don't trust wikipedia. They have been duped so many times with false information. I hope this legend is still around.
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If it does turnout to be true, I'm guessing it will be something heart related. He was still a huge guy a couple of years back -
(http://www.highintensitynation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/casey-now.jpg).
Rip.
Perhaps, he was a chain smoker....basically just a giant smokestack.
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RIP. I remember reading he was something like the youngest teenage champ, mr A maybe?
Also he once gained 40 pounds on a post-show binge? Trying to recall what I read in 1998 is hard.
anyway, rest in peace, great attitude, physique & role model.
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:'(
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Died on his birthday, probably suicide or heart failure.
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RIP.
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Has anyone ever tried repeating the Colorado experiment and comparing the results to the outrageous claim of 60+ lbs of muscle in 28 days the original one claimed?
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Has anyone ever tried repeating the Colorado experiment and comparing the results to the outrageous claim of 60+ lbs of muscle in 28 days the original one claimed?
dj181 did.
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R.I.P.
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Is it true?
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Casey did a seminar in my gym a long time ago! And I partied with him afterwards at my buddies apt! He acted like a dick at the seminar, but was cool at the party! RIP!
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Anybody can update or change Wiki ~
I'd rather hear it from a reliable source.
It's not like Casey would ever post on here, even if alive ~
BUT!
Very sad if true. Another legend that inspired so many, and a highly controversial one at that ~
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It is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Viator
Bummer. First the Rutkowski incident and now this. Its been a rough week.
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Bummer. First the Rutkowski incident and now this. Its been a rough week.
Are you going to be alright? :D
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A super freak! what a beast!
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PIP
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"Mr Olympia" Shawn Ray, haha
I noticed this too...wtf?!
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Are you going to be alright? :D
I hope so :'(
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casey died from cancer or what .
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casey died from cancer or what .
I think it was what.
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R.I.P.
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rip
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Very sad if true
P.I.P Sugar Bear
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:'( Too bad, RIP. I never believed that Colorado experiment shit, but I appreciated him for his hard work and dedication....
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This news should be a sticky............why so few reactions?
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One of the Greats. RIP
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One of the Greats. RIP
Someone please do a slide collage tribute to Casey...
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PIP
...only gay if you want it to be...
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One of the Greats. RIP
It seems that someone already had; thanks...
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I met him when I was a lot younger. He was one of the biggest guys I have seen back in the day.
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"Mr Olympia" Shawn Ray, haha
haha
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I think it was what.
he died of what??
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damn.. rip
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From 1978 Universe
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He looked better at 19 winning the Mr America he did not progress much after he left Arthur.
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He looked better at 19 winning the Mr America he did not progress much after he left Arthur.
.. You're exactly right..
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Well, he did not fook a grapefruit.... >:(
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Casey Viator was sensational when he won Mr America at 19. Those of us training at the time shook our heads and wondered what the point was if a guy could get that huge at only 19. I remember reading the September 1971 copy of Ironman Magazine with Casey on the cover and Sergio featured inside. I literally didn't see any point in training that day so went home. Both guys were supermen in those days.
I met Casey after the 1980 Mr Olympia contest. He didn't stand out in the contest but when I saw photos of Casey taken by Robert Nailon at the Randwick Gym I was impressed. The guy had these huge forearms. Anyway, Casey remembered me because I was in the magazines about the same time as he was. He said, "Hey, kid, has it been 10 years already?" I was older than him but what did that matter, I was like a kid compared to his size.
Here is the magazine that featured Casey on the cover. Also a relaxed photo that I found and edited to bring out his physique better.
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Casey Viator was sensational when he won Mr America at 19. Those of us training at the time shook our heads and wondered what the point was if a guy could get that huge at only 19. I remember reading the September 1971 copy of Ironman Magazine with Casey on the cover and Sergio featured inside. I literally didn't see any point in training that day so went home. Both guys were supermen in those days.
I met Casey after the 1980 Mr Olympia contest. He didn't stand out in the contest but when I saw photos of Casey taken by Robert Nailon at the Randwick Gym I was impressed. The guy had these huge forearms. Anyway, Casey remembered me because I was in the magazines about the same time as he was. He said, "Hey, kid, has it been 10 years already?" I was older than him but what did that matter, I was like a kid compared to his size.
Here is the magazine that featured Casey on the cover. Also a relaxed photo that I found and edited to bring out his physique better.
was he a nice guy Vince? And how did he feel about the contest results.
BTW even though I make light of you and your Goodrum obsession I am glad to see you posting, you are def one of the true characters of get big and when you are not around it shows
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Casey was a good guy. He achieved plenty early in his career but didn't win the Olympia but came close in 82 I think when he got cut up. He and several other bodybuilders might have placed higher if they had wider shoulders or a smaller head!
Here is Casey more in proportion.
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Bald early. Dihydrotesterone levels ruling.
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Bald early. Dihydrotesterone levels ruling.
you sure have one-upped him that time
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R.I.P.
Casey at the 70' Mr. America contest; placing 3rd at only 18 years of age... Would go on to win the title the following year weighing 20lbs. heavier, at 19 only years of age... The best built teen that ever lived..
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RIP. An inspiration to many guys, and trained till the end.
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Didn't Arthur Jones say Casey was the most perfect mesomorph he ever saw?
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I am one of the few who think Casey looked better later on. 82 was his best look IMHO. I don't think he competed after that except for the masters O in the 90's in which he looked out of shape. He was one of my inspirations but I have heard rumors that he was a little bit off.
very sad to see him gone. :'(
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I am one of the few who think Casey looked better later on. 82 was his best look IMHO. I don't think he competed after that except for the masters O in the 90's in which he looked out of shape. He was one of my inspirations but I have heard rumors that he was a little bit off.
very sad to see him gone. :'(
Let's hear your story
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He was one of my inspirations but I have heard rumors that he was a little bit off.
"off"?
Mentally off? Like Mike Mentzer?
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Heart attack. His girlfriend came home, found him passed on the floor. He had congestive heart failure, and was still smoking.
Sad thing, but that's the thing with a lot of the big guys, they hold on to the weight for too long, and then.... As much as I hate to admit it, one should at least shift some training toward cardio/GPP after a certain point.
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RIP iron warrior
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Casey was in his absolute best condition for the 82 Olympia that Dickerson won. He was using about 15 sets a body part according to David Young who trained in the same gym.
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"off"?
Mentally off? Like Mike Mentzer?
Yeah, mentally off. Just rumors. Mostly on ironage but you know they don't really talk shit about the oldtimers. SO it was kind of vague.
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Didn't Arthur Jones say Casey was the most perfect mesomorph he ever saw?
I believe he stated that about Sergio Oliva
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I believe he stated that about Sergio Oliva
nah, he was referring to me
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Casey was in his absolute best condition for the 82 Olympia that Dickerson won. He was using about 15 sets a body part according to David Young who trained in the same gym.
Pic is not of the 82 O.
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nah, he was referring to me
;D
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This news should be a sticky............why so few reactions?
His claim to fame was the age on which he won an important competition. Apart from that...the rest is quite average (relatively speaking).
The Colorado experiment was a PR hoax, exeggerated numbers, he inflated himself by tripling the dosages only for Arthur Jones' media campaign to sell more fitness machines.
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Let us just give Viator our respect, dudes...
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Let us just give Viator our respect, dudes...
True the dude had extreme genes but the heart gave out.
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RIP Casey.
Mods. why is this not a sticky.
Any one know what was the cause
of his Death.???
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Casey was in his absolute best condition for the 82 Olympia that Dickerson won. He was using about 15 sets a body part according to David Young who trained in the same gym.
pic from 1979
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pic from 1979
Are you sure? Thought it was the London Olympia.
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Ronaldo Pin This Shit!
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Are you sure? Thought it was the London Olympia.
ya, I've got that contest in a 1979 muscle builder/power. that mag became muscle and fitness in 1980.
Robby didn't compete in the 1982 Olympia, i'm pretty sure.
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Are you sure? Thought it was the London Olympia.
No Casey was a lot bigger in 82.
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RIP Casey.
Mods. why is this not a sticky.
Any one know what was the cause
of his Death.???
It was reported as congestive heart failure.
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His claim to fame was the age on which he won an important competition. Apart from that...the rest is quite average (relatively speaking).
The Colorado experiment was a PR hoax, exeggerated numbers, he inflated himself by tripling the dosages only for Arthur Jones' media campaign to sell more fitness machines.
Agreed, he never again dominated the way he did in his youth.. What he should be particularly acknowledged for is being the best built teen of all time...
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:)
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http://johnhansenfitness.com/2013/09/05/casey-viator-a-genetic-phenomenon/
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Powerful looking forearms there. Top 5 all time.
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Bump.
Hey you queers pin this
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Let us just give Viator our respect, dudes...
You don't even respect yourself. If you did, you wouldn't be at here lying and telling folks you're a physician. You're an assclown.
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Here is his obituary:
Caissius Q. (Casey) Viator, Jr.CLEARWATER, FLA. - Casey was born In New Iberia, La. on Sept. 4, 1951 and passed away suddenly Sept. 4, 2013 at his home in Clearwater, Florida.He was the son of Della Credeur Viator, Metairie, La. and the late Caissius Q. Viator, Sr. He is survived by his longtime partner, Cheryl J. Harris, Clearwater, Fl., sisters, Judy V. Atteberry (Charles) Houston, Texas , Barbara V. Carter (Dr. Thad), Pass Christian, Ms., Lynette V. Reich, Houston, Texas, Della V. Ishida (Shin) New Orleans, La., brother, Stafford "Chuck" Viator (Susan), New Orleans, La., and 11 nieces and nephews.Casey was preceded in death by his father, Caissius Q. Viator, Sr. and his sister Martha "Tookie" Viator.After he finished his education, he spent his career in body building. In 1971, he became the youngest Mr. America and held many national & professional titles leading up to the completion of his competitive years. Since then, he has written several books on fitness training and, until his death, conducted & produced fitness training sessions & videos.A memorial service will be held in Clearwater, Florida on Thursday Sept. 12, 2013 at Unity Church of Clearwater. A private memorial service for family and friends will be held in New Iberia at a later date. - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theadvertiser/obituary.aspx?n=caissius-viator&pid=166884415#fbLoggedOut
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Thanks Jude2 for your reply.
And thanks to Max rep for
Posting Casey's obituary.
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Colorado Experiment of Peace. ::)
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I am a huge Casey fan, and I think that Colorado experiment was awesome, but.......
in the first pic he looks about 10% bodyfat (17lbs.) they say that in the 28 days he lost 17lbs. bodyfat. so for him to have gained 63 lean muscle pounds, he would have to have 0% bodyfat at the end of the experiment.
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Still kinda young in my book.
Too bad.
The most recent pics I've seen he wasn't looking so great so I'm kind of not surprised. Weird.
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RIP
always liked Viator
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Casey was no doubt a genetic marvel but he also looks like someone who started using very early in life
Look at Arnold and Mentzer as 19 year olds. They already 95% of the size at that time and after only a few years of serious training (maybe 3 or 4 at the most)
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Sad news. Very powerful physique.
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I just emailed him recently. I asked if he'd send an autographed picture for the gym. He said of course. Dam. I wish I would have done it sooner.
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I am a huge Casey fan, and I think that Colorado experiment was awesome, but.......
in the first pic he looks about 10% bodyfat (17lbs.) they say that in the 28 days he lost 17lbs. bodyfat. so for him to have gained 63 lean muscle pounds, he would have to have 0% bodyfat at the end of the experiment.
he went from a buck 66 to 212, but his bodyfat seems to have stayed about the same, or maybe it went down just slightly
it's claimed that his starting bodyfat was 14% which it wasn't, he's more like 8-9% at the start and they claimed his ending bodyfat was 3% LOL again it's more like 8-9%
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he went from a buck 66 to 212, but his bodyfat seems to have stayed about the same, or maybe it went down just slightly
it's claimed that his starting bodyfat was 14% which it wasn't, he's more like 8-9% at the start and they claimed his ending bodyfat was 3% LOL again it's more like 8-9%
Died early from steroids.
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Thanks for the pics ND. Do you think he should've been MR O in 82 over Dickerson or Zane?
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He aged really fast and died early. One of my favorites though.
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He aged really fast and died early.
Not nearly as fast and early as the guys today.
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Thanks for the pics ND. Do you think he should've been MR O in 82 over Dickerson or Zane?
82 Olympia was first bodybuilding contest i went to.
hard to judge at that time for me, i thought thet all
looked good. Looking back at pics / video i would
say casey should of won.
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If it does turnout to be true, I'm guessing it will be something heart related. He was still a huge guy a couple of years back -
(http://www.highintensitynation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/casey-now.jpg).
Rip.
Aside from giving this guy his due respect for starters. He could easily be compared to the top line of dooch-baggers at the moment in Pro-bodybuilding... But secondly, unlike current teen phenoms who burn themselves out on drugs via the advice of so-called guru's, this guy only got better and kept his hair in the process. His legacy should only be he was a great bodybuilder, but should provide a lesson to the current following of mega-dosing, over eating, under-training, and all around being a pussy in the gym.
Lastly, I felt the need to post because despite what anyone wants to say about his theorized use history and bodybuilding lifestyle playing a role in his early death, i'd first point out a couple things. 62 year old men die all the time. Men that look like the picture above, dont have whats considered healthy blood pressure and typically arent prioritizing cardiovascular fitness over remaining bulky and strong. They are typically going to be borderline diabetic as well. If he did succumb to heart issues, just looking at this picture speaks for itself then.
One could speculate on and on about whether he was a heavy drinker, smoker, many other things. My point is, without medical intervention, hefty fellas in this age bracket kick the bucket, often. In fact, his early years of bodybuilding likely extended his life.
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Died early from steroids.
62 isn't that early
also, roids taken in moderation ain't that bad man, it's just the government trying to scare peeps into not using them, typical governmental propaganda horseshit
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62 isn't that early
also, roids taken in moderation ain't that bad man, it's just the government trying to scare peeps into not using them, typical governmental propaganda horseshit
Agreed he was a heavy smoker as someone whos lost family members to smoking related illness and cancer he did well to get to 62 being overweight as well, a lifelong smoker will typically lose 10 to 12 years off their life quote WHO. figures.
No doubt steroids would also have contributed to some form of heart disease, but to say he died from them whilst he smoked heavily is just being a hater, smokers die at 62 every day. It does far more damage than taking steroids in moderation, no doubt the mega dosing of today would probably exceed or at least equal it but 20 to 30 a day as you age is just reserving the morgue for yourself as is taking high dosages of steroids after 40.
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62 isn't that early
also, roids taken in moderation ain't that bad man, it's just the government trying to scare peeps into not using them, typical governmental propaganda horseshit
62 wtf my dad lived to be 73 fat and overweight.
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62 wtf my dad lived to be 73 fat and overweight.
my grandad is 93 still alive and kicking drinking jack and smoking cigs 8)
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my grandad is 93 still alive and kicking drinking jack and smoking cigs 8)
Sounds good.
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Back in the sixties we were all scared about side effects. The doctors were warning that any substance that would help muscles grow might also help cancers grow. Who would risk that? Well, lots of guys did.
They kept their results to themselves but by 1970 it was unlikely that any completely natural bodybuilder could win a national title. The top guys were probably all experimenting. Dianabol and then Deca Durabolin.
I had a Dr W approach me in 1970 and tell me I could be a Mr Universe within 6 months with his assistance. I didn't take the offer but it looks like others did.
I have no idea what Casey did but he sure was huge at only 19. Heck, it took me 12 years to get 17 1/2 inch arms naturally. There was Casey with 19 inch arms at 19!
I am 10 years older than Casey so it is sad to see him gone. When you get older it is harder to lose weight. Wait and see for yourself.
Not sure about the photo but I think he is 18 with 18 inch arms. Look at those forearms!
Had a go at editing the photo. Not enough detail to do a better job. Darn, where did all those years go!
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Now that is forearm genetics at 18 yrs old.
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Now that is forearm genetics at 18 yrs old.
No teen has ever matched up to Casey, before or since...
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No teen has ever matched up to Casey, before or since...
Agreed.
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Back in the sixties we were all scared about side effects. The doctors were warning that any substance that would help muscles grow might also help cancers grow. Who would risk that? Well, lots of guys did.
They kept their results to themselves but by 1970 it was unlikely that any completely natural bodybuilder could win a national title. The top guys were probably all experimenting. Dianabol and then Deca Durabolin.
I had a Dr W approach me in 1970 and tell me I could be a Mr Universe within 6 months with his assistance. I didn't take the offer but it looks like others did.
I have no idea what Casey did but he sure was huge at only 19. Heck, it took me 12 years to get 17 1/2 inch arms naturally. There was Casey with 19 inch arms at 19!
I am 10 years older than Casey so it is sad to see him gone. When you get older it is harder to lose weight. Wait and see for yourself.
Not sure about the photo but I think he is 18 with 18 inch arms. Look at those forearms!
Had a go at editing the photo. Not enough detail to do a better job. Darn, where did all those years go!
how much dbol did they take back then, any ideas?
supposedly Horworth only took 20 mg per day
(http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1314&stc=1&d=1180894028)
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/7/3/7345b-don_howorth_curl.jpg)
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The 20mg CIBA shit was far more pure than anything available today, but to think that Howorth dude only took 20mg/day is almost laughable.
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how much dbol did they take back then, any ideas?
supposedly Horworth only took 20 mg per day
(http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1314&stc=1&d=1180894028)
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/7/3/7345b-don_howorth_curl.jpg)
I say go up to 10,000 mg and die early.
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how much dbol did they take back then, any ideas?
supposedly Howorth only took 20 mg per day
I have no idea what guys were using. I heard stories some were experimenting with 10 X 5mg pills per day. I used 2 pills a day for a couple of months. Unless you knew the guys you wouldn't have a clue. It was all top secret info in those days. No point giving others stuff to help them beat you.
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They kept their results to themselves but by 1970 it was unlikely that any completely natural bodybuilder could win a national title. The top guys were probably all experimenting. Dianabol and then Deca Durabolin.
I had a Dr W approach me in 1970 and tell me I could be a Mr Universe within 6 months with his assistance. I didn't take the offer but it looks like others did.
Wow, uncrowned Mr.Australia '75 is suggesting that he would (if on D-bol) defeat Franco Colombu for 1970 IFBB Mr.Universe or
Frank Zane & Arnold (Pro winner) for NABBA 1970 Mr.Universe titles ::) ::) ::)
And that mysterious Dr.W ????, must be Dr.Who ;D ;D ;D
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I say go up to 10,000 mg and die early.
very funny tough guy
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In the old days it took a certain attitude to experiment with steroids. The majority of guys lifting weights did so naturally. Gains were slow and we marvelled at the big guys in the magazines. All of a sudden Larry Scott went from a good physique to winning Mr California. Of course we say it was all drugs but Larry invented severe training programs that helped him get huge arms and shoulders. The steroids helped for sure but how much we will never know. By the early seventies it was obvious to all that the warnings of the doctors about steroids were over stated. Except for Tom Sansone just about everyone else seemed okay. No side effects such as bitch tits, even. Most had their hair....being bald was what was expected if you used drugs.
Fast forward to this century and we find that the majority of musclemen survived okay even though they used growth stimulating drugs. Ray and Mike Mentzer departed in 2001 before either was 50. That was sad. Both had deteriorated health and goodness knows what they did to their bodies in the decades beforehand. There was a cavalier attitude among the top guys and things were fine until they got sick. That happened in the early nineties as guys got heavier as well as bigger. There is just no way that the body can be healthy and hold 300 pounds of weight.
In recent years we saw Serge Nubret pass away. He was looking great at 70 but things changed and he ended up in hospital and never recovered. Sergio Oliva was unbelievable but ended up in a sad state as a frail guy. Who would have predicted that would happen to such a champ? Arnold had heart surgery and is a shadow of his former self. Now Casey is gone. He ended up bulky but we all thought he was fine because he was still training. Makes us all wonder what is ahead of us. Few make it to 80 and even fewer seem fit and healthy then. Guys like Zabo deteriorated in his last years. Joe Gold ended up in a wheel chair. Steve Reeves didn't make it to 75 and we all thought he would live to be over 90 because he was so healthy. I am not blaming drugs but for some of the departed I wonder if things they did impacted on their health in the long run.
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As a tribute more photos should be posted here.
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A few more.
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A few more.
RIP. Damn shame.
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Casey appeared just after Sergio and Arnold dominated the sport. So his chances weren't great in the seventies. He did create a sensation with his size as such a young age. Look at his baby face on that huge physique.
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Casey had an Herculean physique and was super strong as well.
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A few more.
do you believe this fella here is 65 fucking years old :o
dude is a true inspiration and in fact he is on my screensaver (no homo)
(http://c249051.r51.cf1.rackcdn.com/e189867307a8313168e6a57a59531458.jpg)
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Vince, what's your point? Everyone deteriorates as they get older. I mean, shit, look at you.
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Thanks for the photo's Vince. Alot I have not seen before. He looks powerfull as fuck. Casey had a strange structure, big barrell rib cage yet narrow with. Great limbs but undersized pecs.
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do you believe this fella here is 65 fucking years old :o
dude is a true inspiration and in fact he is on my screensaver (no homo)
(http://c249051.r51.cf1.rackcdn.com/e189867307a8313168e6a57a59531458.jpg)
no, I don't believe it
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Thanks for the photo's Vince. Alot I have not seen before. He looks powerfull as fuck. Casey had a strange structure, big barrell rib cage yet narrow with. Great limbs but undersized pecs.
like AJ used to say "there are torso bodybuilders (great chest and back) and limb bodybuilders (great arms and legs)" Casey V was a limb bodybuilder
Arnold is one of the few who had both, and Haney was a torso guy
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like AJ used to say "there are torso bodybuilders (great chest and back) and limb bodybuilders (great arms and legs)" Casey V was a limb bodybuilder
Arnold is one of the few who had both, and Haney was a torso guy
Very true. A very few guys are like Arnold, i.e., complete. Most of us look like God dragged a magnet through a parts bin and took what stuck and stuck us with it. ;D
Like the Menzters, Viator was and shall remain an inspiration to a great many people.
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no, I don't believe it
I don't believe it either. It looks like at the most a 50 year old on heavy steroids.
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Vince, what's your point? Everyone deteriorates as they get older. I mean, shit, look at you.
;D ;D ;D
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I don't believe it either. It looks like at the most a 50 year old on heavy steroids.
this dude is in his mid-50s
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this dude is in his mid-50s
He looks older than the other one
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Fellas, we are paying our respects to the memory of Casey Viator, Mr America 1971.
What many here do not comprehend is that hypertrophy is possible at any age. What is required is a proper stimulus and regular training over a time.
It is not impossible to look really good when over 60. That few obtain a good look then is attributed more to training methods than age. Yes, strength
declines over the decades but not drastically. It all depends on the stress one puts on his body and how often and for how long.
If people believe it is not possible to build muscle in old age then is it any surprise that few have? The two limiting factors are motivation and
overcoming injuries. Once the body is injured the connective tissue remains delicate afterwards. The muscles can and do get bigger and stronger.
However, if the connective tissue is not sound then injuries occur at the weakest link.
Most bodybuilders see muscles evaporate. Casey retained his size but was eating too much. Hey, it isn't easy to lose weight in old age. Oh, the formula
to lose weight is easy but applying it to get results is another thing. One of the joys in life is eating tasty food. So as we age we don't need as many
calories to maintain our physiques so any extra we consume ends up around our waists which is a pity.
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All those + 60 masters & grand/ultra masters who compete at numerous contest totally contradict you ;D
Nobody give a fuck about yours hyper "trophy" rubbish.
(Canada or Italy, please take him back)
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All those + 60 masters & grand/ultra masters who compete at numerous contest totally contradict you ;D
Nobody give a fuck about yours hyper "trophy" rubbish.
(Canada or Italy, please take him back)
;D ;D
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All those + 60 masters & grand/ultra masters who compete at numerous contest totally contradict you ;D
Nobody give a fuck about yours hyper "trophy" rubbish.
(Canada or Italy, please take him back)
like we do not have enough troubles
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like we do not have enough troubles
;D
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I don't believe it either. It looks like at the most a 50 year old on heavy steroids.
I don't know who the guy is but a google image search yielded this photo (posted in August of this year) claiming he is 46 (which is believable with heavy steroid use as you mentioned)
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like we do not have enough troubles
Just do it, & molto grazie (???)
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I don't know who the guy is but a google image search yielded this photo (posted in August of this year) claiming he is 46 (which is believable with heavy steroid use as you mentioned)
Just to add names of Jim Morris,Clarence Bass :D
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.. Casey; from the 1971' "Mr. America" contest..
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I don't know who the guy is but a google image search yielded this photo (posted in August of this year) claiming he is 46 (which is believable with heavy steroid use as you mentioned)
46 sounds about right for that face. Just a another steroid temporary physique. The 70 year old I saw on tv. He is a medical doctor who takes testosterone and I believe growth hormone. He said he likes to take enough test to keep him in the top of the "normal" range for a young man. Another doctor was on the show saying it carried health risks but the user doctor said the risks were minimal. The other doctor was pointing to heart and prostate risks. You had to see how fat and soft that doc was prior to using steroids. It really shows how powerful these drugs are as we all know. Anyone who has been around gyms for any length of time have seen zeros go to heroes in 6 weeks using anabolic steroids.
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46 sounds about right for that face. Just a another steroid temporary physique. The 70 year old I saw on tv. He is a medical doctor who takes testosterone and I believe growth hormone. He said he likes to take enough test to keep him in the top of the "normal" range for a young man. Another doctor was on the show saying it carried health risks but the user doctor said the risks were minimal. The other doctor was pointing to heart and prostate risks. You had to see how fat and soft that doc was prior to using steroids. It really shows how powerful these drugs are as we all know. Anyone who has been around gyms for any length of time have seen zeros go to heroes in 6 weeks using anabolic steroids.
"Just a another steroid temporary physique."
All physiques are temporary. Whether it's from steroids, just weight training, or good genetics. If we live to old age we all lose muscle, cognitive function and grow weak, frail with reduced mental capacity.
We all end up the same, dead. It's how far we go while alive that matters. At least to me.
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"Just a another steroid temporary physique."
All physiques are temporary. Whether it's from steroids, just weight training, or good genetics. If we live to old age we all lose muscle, cognitive function and grow weak, frail with reduced mental capacity.
We all end up the same, dead. It's how far we go while alive that matters. At least to me.
So that's the way you use rationalization to justify steroid use? If you live a life of fitness you will be in shape for decades without steroids with a physique that will last year in and out. No, you will never look like a user. Of course we all get old and frail. What a nutty philosopher you are. Steroids will turn a nothing into muscle marvel in 8 weeks. It's a temporary physique because once completely off drugs those fantastic muscles you gained on them will be gone.
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So that's the way you use rationalization to justify steroid use? If you live a life of fitness you will be in shape for decades without steroids with a physique that will last year in and out. No, you will never look like a user. Of course we all get old and frail. What a nutty philosopher you are. Steroids will turn a nothing into muscle marvel in 8 weeks. It's a temporary physique because once completely off drugs those fantastic muscles you gained on them will be gone.
In answer to your first question, yes. I plan to be on hrt for life. Do you have a problem with that?
Weight lifting alone can build great strength and muscles, once you stop lifting weights it all will be gone. Everything in life is temporary. It doesn't take a professor, nutty or otherwise, to know this.
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So that's the way you use rationalization to justify steroid use? If you live a life of fitness you will be in shape for decades without steroids with a physique that will last year in and out. No, you will never look like a user. Of course we all get old and frail. What a nutty philosopher you are. Steroids will turn a nothing into muscle marvel in 8 weeks. It's a temporary physique because once completely off drugs those fantastic muscles you gained on them will be gone.
Oldtimer just says it the way it is. These steroid guys killing themselves with massive dosages and weights. I learned my mistakes back in the day.
Now I just lift medium at my home gym, 3 basic meals a day, plenty of water. ;-)
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Oldtimer just says it the way it is. These steroid guys killing themselves with massive dosages and weights. I learned my mistakes back in the day.
Now I just lift medium at my home gym, 3 basic meals a day, plenty of water. ;-)
There's a difference between use and abuse. Judicious use of anabolics can be healthy and increase one's quality of life. I've seen many a man in his fifties and beyond on 200mg/wk of Test, 300mg/wk of Deca and 2iu/day or Pharma gh that could run circles around other gym rats half their age. And their blood work is all within specs and none are on medications or have any health related issues. They are certainly of a far different plane both appearance wise and functional ability than their counter parts.
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There's a difference between use and abuse.
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True. If used to medically supplement loss of one's own testosterone, then it is beneficial of that there can be no denying. If abused, it will result in for example, the current state of Ronnie Coleman. He looks awful and will only get worse with the passage of time.
I imagine he never thought that this would happen and that even if he did, he thought it was worth it at the time. Now his time is running out. Sad.
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RIP
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