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Google memo writer faces tough legal road challenging firing
Reuters
The Google software engineer fired for writing an internal memo critical of diversity hiring policies at the company faces an uphill battle legally challenging his termination, but he could succeed in prolonging the controversy, potentially driving the tech firm to settle, legal experts said on Tuesday.
James Damore told Reuters in an email on Monday that he had been fired by Google, a unit of Alphabet Inc, for “perpetuating gender stereotypes” in his 10-page memo, which asserted Google had “a left bias” hostile to conservative viewpoints and argued that the lack of representation of women in leadership roles in the tech industry was due to biological differences rather than discrimination.
Damore said in the email he was exploring his legal options. Neither Damore nor Mountain View, California-based Google responded to a request for comment for this article.
Damore’s memo and his firing have quickly become flashpoints in the culture wars with right-leaning writers and websites embracing Damore’s stand against “political correctness” and those on the left decrying his “sexist” arguments.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/google-memo-writer-faces-tough-legal-road-challenging-firing/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/google-memo-writer-faces-tough-legal-road-challenging-firing/)
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TL;DR
● Google’s political bias has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety,
but shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety.
● This silencing has created an ideological echo chamber where some ideas are too
sacred to be honestly discussed.
● The lack of discussion fosters the most extreme and authoritarian elements of this
ideology.
○ Extreme: all disparities in representation are due to oppression
○ Authoritarian: we should discriminate to correct for this oppression
● Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we
don't have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership.
● Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.
Full Memo:
https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f (https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f)
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Yeah Google is has gone full retard
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Yeah Google is has gone full retard
Just like virtually all North American universities. I think Google spent something like $50 million in both 2013 and again in 2014 to more women into STEM. How did that one work out for them?
LOL.
So are they admitting that they are predominantly-male in their upper leadership positions because they are sexist? Is that what they are saying? It's hilarious to me how even leftists institutions and corporations are incapable of practicing what they preach when it comes to this garbage, haha.
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The whole college system is a scam and is also a business
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Google Fires Author of Divisive Memo on Gender Differences
By Mark Bergen
and Ellen Huet
Alphabet Inc.’s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company’s diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.
James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” He said he’s “currently exploring all possible legal remedies.”
The imbroglio at Google is the latest in a long string of incidents concerning gender bias and diversity in the tech enclave. Uber Technologies Inc. Chief Executive Officer Travis Kalanick lost his job in June amid scandals over sexual harassment, discrimination and an aggressive culture. Ellen Pao’s gender-discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers in 2015 also brought the issue to light, and more women are speaking up to say they’ve been sidelined in the male-dominated industry, especially in engineering roles.
Earlier on Monday, Google CEO Sundar Pichai sent a note to employees that said portions of the memo “violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.” But he didn’t say if the company was taking action against the employee. A Google representative, asked about the dismissal, referred to Pichai’s memo.
Damore’s 10-page memorandum accused Google of silencing conservative political opinions and argued that biological differences play a role in the shortage of women in tech and leadership positions. It circulated widely inside the company and became public over the weekend, causing a furor that amplified the pressure on Google executives to take a more definitive stand.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo)
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Just like virtually all North American universities. I think Google spent something like $50 million in both 2013 and again in 2014 to more women into STEM. How did that one work out for them?
LOL.
So are they admitting that they are predominantly-male in their upper leadership positions because they are sexist? Is that what they are saying? It's hilarious to me how even leftists institutions and corporations are incapable of practicing what they preach when it comes to this garbage, haha.
Oops:
(http://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/Google-Tech-Workers_1.gif)
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Fuck Google. Going to start using Alta Vista again.
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I work for the gov - this shit is rampant
basically all higher spots - they want disproportionate number of ethnic and women - so if u r white male GOOD FUKKING LUCK cos you'll need it
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Apparently, this guy is getting a lot of support from inside Google. A lot of people resent the idea that certain groups get a free pass for something that should be earned by merit.
The reality is that women just aren't as into science as men. That doesn't mean that a woman can't be a scientist or a programmer. It's just not going to be on a one to one ratio with men.
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What bothers me is that women with less experience are now getting their pay bumped up to match men with more years experience and who paid their dues because companies are too afraid to show that a woman is paid less. But men in the same situation are not getting their pay bumped up to match.
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Not to be a dick but women have bitched from the dawn of time. This 2017 version of unwarranted equality in representation and pay is just sophisticated bitching. You know that somewhere in a cave a dude once said, "Well then maybe you should go out and kill a mammoth!"
Dude deserves to be fired for engaging in the dialogue. The correct response to these broads is "Quit yer bitchin."
Successful people don't bitch. They just STFU, work hard, and achieve.
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Fuck Google. Going to start using Alta Vista again.
Webcrawler was the popular search engine when I was in University in the mid 90's.
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Webcrawler was the popular search engine when I was in University in the mid 90's.
Remember using Gopher for email, then eventually Pine. So painful.
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the percentage of Inidans and Asians almost match in terms of hiring from most Tech companies....(Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Apple and a few others
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James Damore has been given job offers by http://www.gab.ai (http://www.gab.ai) and wikileaks.
How many people here complain but never do anything about it?
How many people here have registered at anti-SJW, anti-globalist, anti-censorship Twitter alternative http://www.gab.ai (http://www.gab.ai)?
When Trump starts switching from twitter to gab.ai, gab.ai's status will change dramatically.
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the percentage of Inidans and Asians almost match in terms of hiring from most Tech companies....(Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Apple and a few others
Yes, the industry just loves Indians. Highly intelligent individuals (in math and similar pursuits) pulled right from some hellhole dump, willing to go against American ideas and work toward it for piss-all.
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James Damore has been given job offers by http://www.gab.ai (http://www.gab.ai) and wikileaks.
How many people here complain but never do anything about it?
How many people here have registered at anti-SJW, anti-globalist, anti-censorship Twitter alternative http://www.gab.ai (http://www.gab.ai)?
When Trump starts switching from twitter to gab.ai, gab.ai's status will change dramatically.
The guy should be viewed as a hero. This whole SJW politically correct era has pretty much run its course and you're starting to see some cracks. I posted this one a little while ago. McEnroe refused to apologize.
Listen· 5:03
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On calling Serena Williams the best female tennis player in the world
Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.
McEnroe: Best female player ever — no question.
Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?
McEnroe: Oh! Uh, she's not, you mean, the best player in the world, period?
Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?
McEnroe: Well because if she was in, if she played the men's circuit she'd be like 700 in the world.
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The guy should be viewed as a hero. This whole SJW politically correct era has pretty much run this course and you're starting to see some cracks. I posted this one a little while ago. McEnroe refused to apologize.
Right. Just don't apologize. We see what happens when you don't apologize or back down, you become President. There's this invisible fake power structure that can be easily toppled. Hollywood, for example, can EASILY be taken down by not watching their movies or downloading them for free but most people just want to rant. They pay netflix every month, they pay hollywood every month, they pay their cable tv company every month, they worship celebrities,,,,but they hate and are jealous of people like themselves who create their own Youtube channels....hypocrites.
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Yes, the industry just loves Indians. Highly intelligent individuals (in math and similar pursuits) pulled right from some hellhole dump, willing to go against American ideas and work toward it for piss-all.
Don't confuse highly intelligent with highly educated. Indians are no more intelligent than white people but they are disciplined in going to school and learning instead of posting on facebook and playing PS4. The quality of work from these indians is horrible.
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Don't confuse highly intelligent with highly educated. Indians are no more intelligent than white people but they are disciplined in going to school and learning instead of posting on facebook and playing PS4. The quality of work from these indians is horrible.
QFT. I have to work with them aswell. Basically not much will get done unless you instruct them exactly what to do. Not very self sufficient in their working roles...
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Right. Just don't apologize. We see what happens when you don't apologize or back down, you become President. There's this invisible fake power structure that can be easily toppled. Hollywood, for example, can EASILY be taken down by not watching their movies or downloading them for free but most people just want to rant. They pay netflix every month, they pay hollywood every month, they pay their cable tv company every month, they worship celebrities,,,,but they hate and are jealous of people like themselves who create their own Youtube channels....hypocrites.
Hollywood is already dead they just haven't figured it out yet. Fuckhole actors and actresses still think they're a big deal. I can't remember the last time I went to a movie theater and can't see any circumstances under which I'll ever go to one again. I currently watch no scripted television or Netflix. There are way better options these days.
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Dude deserves to be fired for engaging in the dialogue. The correct response to these broads is "Quit yer bitchin."
I don't believe he should have been fired. He should have just posted this on the internet anonymously.
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These days you're committing a crime when you state that there are biological differences between men and women. How fucked up is that ???
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Steve Jobs explains that the difference between the best programmers and an average programmer is 50 to 1. Anyone who's programmed and knows great programmers understands this. For example, The founders of google were great programmers. This is why affirmative action is so decisive in software development. Your really need great programmers to develop software the level Google does.
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Steve Jobs explains that the difference between the best programmers and an average programmer is 50 to 1. Anyone who's programmed and knows great programmers understands this. For example, The founders of google were great programmers. This is why affirmative action is so decisive in software development. Your really need great programmers to develop software the level Google does.
These truly gifted programmers are weird fucks. I've known a couple super genius guys who are strange mofos but can code like nobody's business. Their vision of the future of technology was years ahead of everyone else.
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These truly gifted programmers are weird fucks. I've known a couple super genius guys who are strange mofos but can code like nobody's business. Their vision of the future of technology was years ahead of everyone else.
They may be weird, but when you understand and appreciate how great they are it's like Salieri appreciating Mozart.
(https://dejareviewer.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/antonio-salieri-takes-dictation-from-wolfgang-amadeus-mozart-who-is-on-his-death-bed.jpg)
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The elite is most likely not working at google.
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The elite is most likely not working at google.
I don't think Google has difficulties recruiting talented people. If you're a software developer, Google's a great name to have on your resume. I hear the working conditions aren't bad either.
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They may be weird, but when you understand and appreciate how great they are it's like Salieri appreciating Mozart.
(https://dejareviewer.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/antonio-salieri-takes-dictation-from-wolfgang-amadeus-mozart-who-is-on-his-death-bed.jpg)
LOL.....one of my top 5 favorite movie of all time....Salieri does know a Great Programmer when he hears one... ;D
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Liberalism....all about freedom of speech and thought...
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I don't think Google has difficulties recruiting talented people. If you're a software developer, Google's a great name to have on your resume. I hear the working conditions aren't bad either.
Fecked up company, I worked for them for a year while they bought our company, then sold it off. Definitely lefty libtard driven, BUT, lots of women have very big jobs (IT is all run by women).
I did take the extra 35K (after tax) they gave me in stock to use toward my kids college though, a nice bonus for 1 year with the fecked up place (On top of the 10% bonus they also give each year). Glad they sold us off though. Company that bought us is awesome, still get my 13K bonus each year, work my own hours, work from home, met my boss once who lives across the country.
At age 51, I want 9 more years then bail at age 60. Just signed a new 10 year lease, so I hope it lasts, cake walk...
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You should see some big changes in the next few years. Political correctness has reached a point where it's comedy to anybody who isn't a Libtard:
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/wAhV/ring-porch-protector
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Google abruptly cancels all-hands meeting on manifesto flap
Elizabeth Weise, USATODAY
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. — Google abruptly canceled a town hall meeting late Thursday afternoon amid concerns over employee safety.
Google CEO Sundar Pichai was to address employees at the company's headquarters here and over a live-stream worldwide about fallout from former employee James Damore's gender manifesto and his subsequent firing.
But minutes before the meeting was to start, Pichai said in an email to Googlers it was scotched over concern over online harassment of employees whose names and questions were published on alt-right websites.
"Googlers are writing in, concerned about their safety and worried they may be 'outed' publicly for asking a question in the Town Hall," Pichai wrote. His email message was first reported by Recode.
Google confirmed the email to USA TODAY.
The last-minute cancellation is the latest twist in a saga that began last Friday with a few tweets about a long memo by a Google engineer quickly became a publicity inferno, calling into question Google's focus on increasing the number of women, African-Americans and Hispanics in its technical and leadership ranks, as well as the company's commitment to free speech and the limits of internal debate.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/08/10/google-gears-up-all-hands-meeting-manifesto-flap/557046001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/08/10/google-gears-up-all-hands-meeting-manifesto-flap/557046001/)
Concerns for employee safety? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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You should see some big changes in the next few years. Political correctness has reached a point where it's comedy to anybody who isn't a Libtard:
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/wAhV/ring-porch-protector
x2 it's certainly getting that way
It's not quite there yet - Sadly
Though the madness is going to get so ridiculous
It will implode
The pendulum Will swing the other way
The sooner the better I say.
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Don't confuse highly intelligent with highly educated. Indians are no more intelligent than white people but they are disciplined in going to school and learning instead of posting on facebook and playing PS4. The quality of work from these indians is horrible.
Yes, I'm sure that's fair to say (no personal knowledge of last part tho).
But as for the rest, I suppose it helps that they haven't experienced the intrusions on their culture that we do from the Demons of Destruction behind MSM. Their families and core values have held together relatively intact, unlike our own. And hell yeah, it's by-plan.
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Yes, I'm sure that's fair to say (no personal knowledge of last part tho).
But as for the rest, I suppose it helps that they haven't experienced the intrusions on their culture that we do from the Demons of Destruction behind MSM. Their families and core values have held together relatively intact, unlike our own. And hell yeah, it's by-plan.
While the west got caught up with kids doing what their heart says and wasting time in college taking psychology, philosophy and other shit, the Indians saw that technology was the future of jobs so they went all in setting up pure technology universities and ushering their population through it, then high tech companies saw the cheap labor train and put money in to make it more efficient for themselves. Microsoft was one of the first companies to start hoarding H1B visas to bring Inidans over and quickly maxed out the allowed visas and spent money lobbying to have congress increase the limits year after year.
Just like anything that churns out a lot of shit, you get shit. Companies hire Indians at a 1/3 of the pay of their white counterparts but they put 3-4 Indians on a task that one person would normally do so they're not really saving any money.
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While the west got caught up with kids doing what their heart says and wasting time in college taking psychology, philosophy and other shit, the Indians saw that technology was the future of jobs so they went all in setting up pure technology universities and ushering their population through it, then high tech companies saw the cheap labor train and put money in to make it more efficient for themselves. Microsoft was one of the first companies to start hoarding H1B visas to bring Inidans over and quickly maxed out the allowed visas and spent money lobbying to have congress increase the limits year after year.
Just like anything that churns out a lot of shit, you get shit. Companies hire Indians at a 1/3 of the pay of their white counterparts but they put 3-4 Indians on a task that one person would normally do so they're not really saving any money.
And of course we're supposed to have our own ways of guiding kids on what to pursue, relying upon getting our own "guidance" from those who run the corporations, and yet we find that we "can't get qualified Americans" to do these skilled things.
Just, exactly, like we "can't find" the ones to do the unskilled things. Isn't that convenient.
Looks like the rich man punked our society right in the ass. Now we're fucked.
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Ellen Pao’s gender-discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers in 2015 also brought the issue to light, and more women are speaking up to say they’ve been sidelined in the male-dominated industry, especially in engineering roles.
"According to the National Society of Professional Engineers in 2004, there were approximately 192,900 female engineers throughout the country, compared with over 1,515,000 men."
How is it possible that engineering roles are dominated by men!!!! So unfair. ;D