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Re: Arizona
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2022, 05:56:36 PM »
Why, you, Prime and Lurker seem to have all the excu…er, I mean answers.

Lighten up Coach  :D

Even you have to admit, my "reply" with their phone # was pretty funny.
The election is over, this is getbig, so let's have a little  fun.

I'm watching the USC v UCLA game , going on in your area , right now.
If I can find my last Viagra tab, I'll poke my wife as she sleeps  , after the game . :D

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2022, 06:18:59 PM »
Because we rely on facts,
Just because your tv says it, doesn't make it fact. ::)
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Re: Arizona
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2022, 06:40:29 PM »
Just because your tv says it, doesn't make it fact. ::)

Just because you believe otherwise doesn't make it wrong.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2022, 10:24:58 AM »
Just because your tv says it, doesn't make it fact. ::)

Fair point.

But why exactly would your side totally accept an " alternative source" with even LESS credible verification ?
Seriously now, many on the MAGA side accepted things like Pizzagate or Q-anon with few questions or fact checking.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2022, 12:04:58 PM »
Fair point.

But why exactly would your side totally accept an " alternative source" with even LESS credible verification ?
Seriously now, many on the MAGA side accepted things like Pizzagate or Q-anon with few questions or fact checking.
I don't care about maga side. I care about the truth and the truth is not on your tv. The MSM is the enemy of the people. Why do you accept what they say at face value without questioning it? Because NBC said so?
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Re: Arizona
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2022, 02:26:13 PM »
I don't care about maga side. I care about the truth and the truth is not on your tv. The MSM is the enemy of the people. Why do you accept what they say at face value without questioning it? Because NBC said so?

No, I don't always accept what the MSM or GOV officials say or print.

BUT, I find most of the "alternative info" to be less credible and lacking verification .
It all comes down to transparency and verification on what I believe the most likely facts .

I don't know if buy into Q-anon , but I'll use it as a good , but extreme example.
The MSM may not always be totally correct, BUT at least you know the sources and can fact check the story.

With Q-anon, you don't even know who or what is providing the info.
Plus, it comes out in some odd code on an obscure website, like a secret treasure map .

A more mundane example is Dr Fauci and the CDC with Covid info.
Yes, they made a few mistakes , especially early on when the virus was new .
The initial covid vaccines were't perfect, but, the vax had a pretty effective record in dealing with Covid.

Compare that to the alternative "cures" like Ivermictin or hydroxy-cholroquin ( sp?) .
The same people who examined every detail with the Covid Vax, didn't use much scrutiny with the " alternative stuff ".

That's my main concern . If the vaccine naysayers used half the skeptical caution with their alternative cures,
they'd find a lot less verification and transparency. BUT, they didn't. They dug for every possible issue with the CDC research or the Vax .
That's good and to be honest is how scientific research findings get verified.

BUT, they just took the alternative side at face value and totally bought into it without question.




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Re: Arizona
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2022, 02:30:04 PM »
The Arizona Attorney General’s Elections Integrity Unit sent a letter to Maricopa County demanding answers on problems that took place with the election on Nov. 8.

In a letter to Civil Division Chief Thomas Liddy of the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office, Assistant Attorney General Jennifer Wright said the AG’s office had “received hundreds of complaints since Election Day,” and the complaints “go beyond pure speculation [and] include first-hand witness accounts that raise concerns regarding Maricopa County’s lawful compliance with Arizona election law.”

According to Maricopa County election officials, at least 60 of 223 voting locations experienced technical problems related to ballot-on-demand (BOD) printers having “non-uniform” printer configuration settings.

These non-uniform settings resulted in some ballots “unable to be read by on-site ballot tabulators.”

County officials estimate the technical problems may have impacted more than 17,000 ballots on Election Day.

“Based on sworn complaints submitted by election workers employed by Maricopa County, the BOD printers were tested on Monday, Nov. 7, without any apparent problems,” Wright said in the letter (pdf).

“Many of those election workers report that despite the successful testing the night before, the tabulators began experiencing problems reading ballots printed by the BOD printers within the first thirty minutes of voting on Tuesday, November 8, 2022.”

The letter said that based on a “plethora of reports from election workers, poll watchers, and voters, including the county’s admission of widespread printer problems,” the Elections Integrity Unit requested:

The voting locations that had problems with either BOD printers or tabulation
The specific problems at each voting location
Any other issues related to BOD printers and/or tabulators that may have contributed to the problems at voting locations
A comprehensive log of all changes to the BOD printer configuration settings (to include the identity of individuals making changes)
Maricopa County’s standards for the BOD printer configuration settings
The precise time the non-uniform printer configuration settings were found to be the root cause of the problem
The method used to update or reconfigure the printer configuration settings at each voting location
The Elections Integrity Unit will also look into election day “check-out” procedures in which affected voters received provisional ballots or instructions to go to another polling location.

Wright said the unit also requests a detailed report on poll worker training regarding check-out procedures and the “legal basis” for these procedures.

The unit also wants to know “why Maricopa continued to publicly encourage voters to leave a voting location after having been notified … that poll workers appeared to be improperly trained on ‘check-out’ procedures.”

“Due to the widespread problems in non-uniform printer configuration settings, many voters were unable to tabulate their ballots on Election Day using on-site tabulators,” Wright said in the letter.

“Instead, voters were instructed to deposit their ballot in ‘Door 3.'”

Maricopa officials have said that the ballots would be taken at the end of the day to the Maricopa County Tabulation and Election Center to be counted.

Wright said in the letter the county “appears to have failed to adhere to the statutory guidelines in segregating, counting, tabulating, tallying, and transporting Door 3 ballots.

“In fact, Maricopa County has admitted that, in some voting locations, Door 3 non-tabulated ballots were commingled with tabulated ballots at the voting location.”

In sworn testimony, one poll watcher indicated that more than 1,700 Door 3 non-tabulated ballots from one voting location were “placed in black duffle bags” meant for tabulated votes.

“Arizonans deserve a full report and accounting of the myriad problems that occurred in relation to Maricopa County’s administration of the 2022 general election,” Wright said.

Wright said the issues are related to “Maricopa County’s ability to lawfully certify election results and requested a response from the county by ‘November 28.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/arizonas-election-integrity-unit-demands-answers-from-maricopa-county-over-election-day-problems_4874697.html?utm_source=andshare

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2022, 03:12:29 PM »
Coach,

1. The "Epoch Times" is a hyper right wing partisan source with a history of right wing bias.
It was formed in 2000 by former Chinese citizens with an irrational fear that communists would take over America.

2. There was a brief issue with ink used with ballot printers in some AZ polling places.
After a brief delay , the polling places were up and running again without issue.
It was quickly fixed and did NOT affect an abnormal # of republican ballots .

The ballots were all counted and double checked in the districts that had the ink problems .

To ensure the accuracy of the count , the AZ polling locations took  extra steps of accountability counting the ballots.
This led to a longer counting time , but increased reliability for voters.


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Re: Arizona
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2022, 03:28:36 PM »
I don't care about maga side. I care about the truth and the truth is not on your tv. The MSM is the enemy of the people. Why do you accept what they say at face value without questioning it? Because NBC said so?

Faux Noise has garnered the highest ratings of cable tv at times.  So they are the enemy of the people?  Interesting.  So how do you determine what you believe?  What research do you do or hypothesis elimination do you go about?

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2022, 03:31:10 PM »
Coach,

1. The "Epoch Times" is a hyper right wing partisan source with a history of right wing bias.
It was formed in 2000 by former Chinese citizens with an irrational fear that communists would take over America.

2. There was a brief issue with ink used with ballot printers in some AZ polling places.
After a brief delay , the polling places were up and running again without issue.
It was quickly fixed and did NOT affect an abnormal # of republican ballots .

The ballots were all counted and double checked in the districts that had the ink problems .

To ensure the accuracy of the count , the AZ polling locations took  extra steps of accountability counting the ballots.
This led to a longer counting time , but increased reliability for voters.

#3 the supposed "issues" would have affects both parties, not just the GOP.   ::)

Little Miss Nancy Drew obviously didn't take this into consideration.

Hang on..... he will come up with something else next.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2022, 03:50:15 PM »
#3 the supposed "issues" would have affects both parties, not just the GOP.   ::)

Little Miss Nancy Drew obviously didn't take this into consideration.

Hang on..... he will come up with something else next.

I actually enjoy debating the various sides to real issues in politics.
But these election fraud pissing contests , become pointless.

To me, it's like :

"OMG, monsters are under the bed."

* I check and no monsters are there.*

"That's because the  monsters ran into the closet..."     *and on it goes .  ::)

Even a nitwit like me , knew  Pizza-Gate was total nonsense... like this nonexistent " voter fraud ".

Perhaps some  major voter fraud will be proven on Feb 30th, 2023 .   Until then, good luck .  :D

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2022, 03:55:23 PM »
Coach,

1. The "Epoch Times" is a hyper right wing partisan source with a history of right wing bias.
It was formed in 2000 by former Chinese citizens with an irrational fear that communists would take over America.

2. There was a brief issue with ink used with ballot printers in some AZ polling places.
After a brief delay , the polling places were up and running again without issue.
It was quickly fixed and did NOT affect an abnormal # of republican ballots .

The ballots were all counted and double checked in the districts that had the ink problems .

To ensure the accuracy of the count , the AZ polling locations took  extra steps of accountability counting the ballots.
This led to a longer counting time , but increased reliability for voters.

Hey Howard this is typical leftist rhetoric. Whenever something is pointed out that’s a fact somebody always wants to come back and try to discredit the source where it came from. The problem is they can’t discredit they can’t discredit the story they can’t discredit the source. On the other hand, we can discredit every source that comes from the left easily, and we have. At least three times just this week in the last few days I have with Lurker because that fucktard can’t get anything right. And this is no different than Prime is no different than you because you all listen to the same bullshit . You’re not debating you can’t debate, neither can lurker end it and neither can prime.

Besides, all you read is where the source came from but you fail to read any of its Contant because usually the Contant that I post has links that take you right to the proof of the article to back it up.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2022, 04:01:13 PM »
Hey Howard this is typical leftist rhetoric. Whenever something is pointed out that’s a fact somebody always wants to come back and try to discredit the source where it came from. The problem is they can’t discredit they can’t discredit the story they can’t discredit the source. On the other hand, we can discredit every source that comes from the left easily, and we have. At least three times just this week in the last few days I have with Lurker because that fucktard can’t get anything right. And this is no different than Prime is no different than you because you all listen to the same bullshit . You’re not debating you can’t debate, neither can lurker end it and neither can prime.

Besides, all you read is where the source came from but you fail to read any of its Contant because usually the Contant that I post has links that take you right to the proof of the article to back it up.

There are basic facts and truth .
In the end it's pretty simple.

Unless we both accept the same rules to the game , it's pointless to play.
No hard feelings .

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2022, 04:03:35 PM »
There are basic facts and truth .
In the end it's pretty simple.

Unless we both accept the same rules to the game , it's pointless to play.
No hard feelings .

Happy Turkey Day to you and your family.

I pointed out facts and truth facts and truth that cannot be refuted it’s the intellectual dishonesty that you have that you refuse to accept it or even come up with any viable source to back it up. I ask you questions about the elections yet you can’t come up with anything except to give me a fucking phone number to call and complain to them

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2022, 04:35:27 PM »
Hey Howard this is typical leftist rhetoric. Whenever something is pointed out that’s a fact somebody always wants to come back and try to discredit the source where it came from. The problem is they can’t discredit they can’t discredit the story they can’t discredit the source. On the other hand, we can discredit every source that comes from the left easily, and we have. At least three times just this week in the last few days I have with Lurker because that fucktard can’t get anything right. And this is no different than Prime is no different than you because you all listen to the same bullshit . You’re not debating you can’t debate, neither can lurker end it and neither can prime.

Besides, all you read is where the source came from but you fail to read any of its Contant because usually the Contant that I post has links that take you right to the proof of the article to back it up.

Please provide the three examples.  I'll wait.  You can't, but I will wait.

You are just a flat out liar and delusional retard who has no grasp on reality.  Fragile X was Mother Nature's blessing to you.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2022, 06:32:08 PM »

The initial covid vaccines were't perfect, but, the vax had a pretty effective record in dealing with Covid.


Did it? What do you have to compare that to? Even now Drs are starting to speak out and studies are just now starting to be done on the long term effects of the governments poison.
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Re: Arizona
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2022, 09:38:31 AM »
whatever did happen to Podesta the Molesta?


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Re: Arizona
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2022, 02:34:54 PM »
I pointed out facts and truth facts and truth that cannot be refuted it’s the intellectual dishonesty that you have that you refuse to accept it or even come up with any viable source to back it up. I ask you questions about the elections yet you can’t come up with anything except to give me a fucking phone number to call and complain to them

Coach,

When it comes to the claims on " voter fraud", there isn't much to debate.
The claims are total fabrications dreamed up by some right wing zealot and put on a website.

For example, the Trump " dream team" led by Rudy and Sydney the Kraken, lost 60+ cases with 0 wins for voter fraud.
What they said OUTside the courthouse to their supporters was totally different from what they said in front of the judge.
FYI, many of the election fraud judges were appointed by Trump .

AGAIN, there is nothing to argue because there is no credible evidence to back the claims .


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Re: Arizona
« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2022, 01:19:28 PM »
Coach,

When it comes to the claims on " voter fraud", there isn't much to debate.
The claims are total fabrications dreamed up by some right wing zealot and put on a website.

For example, the Trump " dream team" led by Rudy and Sydney the Kraken, lost 60+ cases with 0 wins for voter fraud.
What they said OUTside the courthouse to their supporters was totally different from what they said in front of the judge.
FYI, many of the election fraud judges were appointed by Trump .

AGAIN, there is nothing to argue because there is no credible evidence to back the claims .

This is your dishonesty at work for you again or you were kept in the dark so much by your MSM that you just flat out didn’t know. I’ll stick with your intellectual dishonesty because in almost every court case the not only didn’t the judges allow evidence to be presented, they weren’t allowed on the dockets. So, since evidence wasn’t allowed to be presented, why didn’t they do their jobs….until now.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2022, 01:47:28 PM »
Because the evidence was complete bullshit.

Or in the case of MyPillow idiot's claim... nonexistent.  Which is why he has never revealed a single thing as of today.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2022, 02:38:24 PM »
Lighten up Coach  :D

Even you have to admit, my "reply" with their phone # was pretty funny.
The election is over, this is getbig, so let's have a little  fun.

I'm watching the USC v UCLA game , going on in your area , right now.
If I can find my last Viagra tab, I'll poke my wife as she sleeps  , after the game . :D

Happy Turkey day you animal .  ;)

As she sleep? Wouldn't you poking her wake her up?  ;)

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #71 on: November 22, 2022, 02:45:15 PM »
Just because your tv says it, doesn't make it fact. ::)

Not anymore than 'just because' the conservative media broadcasts or publishes it does. The only positive way to know fact from fiction is by seeing the event with your own eyes or hearing it with your own ears. Even then, it is not unheard of for people to misinterpret what they personally witness, read or hear about.

It is human nature to seek validation of our foregone conclusions. Most people don’t want to be wrong about something.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #72 on: November 22, 2022, 02:48:11 PM »
Fair point.

But why exactly would your side totally accept an " alternative source" with even LESS credible verification ?
Seriously now, many on the MAGA side accepted things like Pizzagate or Q-anon with few questions or fact checking.

Whether it is my side, your side, or their side. Never the twain shall meet. This is a shame. Consensus has great value.   

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #73 on: November 22, 2022, 03:10:18 PM »
This is your dishonesty at work for you again or you were kept in the dark so much by your MSM that you just flat out didn’t know. I’ll stick with your intellectual dishonesty because in almost every court case the not only didn’t the judges allow evidence to be presented, they weren’t allowed on the dockets. So, since evidence wasn’t allowed to be presented, why didn’t they do their jobs….until now.

Frivolous lawsuits are often rejected, as they should be. Have you considered that in the halls of justice the evidence can be.

insubstantial and would not support the plaintiffs’ claims even if true?

The plaintiffs’ claims in their lawsuits were repetitive. Why waste additional time rehashing this one issue after it had been ruled on by not just one judge but many?

Also consider that Trump and his attorneys modus operandi is to tie legal issues up in court with numerous appeals and very often no new evidence. The supreme court just ruled that Trumps tax returns must be made available to the special committee. It would be of no surprise if his attorneys found a way inspire the U.S. supreme court to revisit this decision which should be final as supreme court decision usually are.

At this point, one could opine that Trump and the republican party ‘stacking the deck’ hasn’t worked out as planned. 

A little history on this matter:

•   The Supreme Court rejected a bid by former President Donald Trump to prevent Congress from obtaining his income tax returns from the IRS.
•   The ruling comes more than three months after a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington ruled that the Ways and Means Committee had the right to obtain Trump’s tax returns.
•   Trump then asked the Supreme Court on Oct. 31 to block the committee from obtaining his tax returns.

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Re: Arizona
« Reply #74 on: November 22, 2022, 04:17:12 PM »
Frivolous lawsuits are often rejected, as they should be. Have you considered that in the halls of justice the evidence can be.

insubstantial and would not support the plaintiffs’ claims even if true?

The plaintiffs’ claims in their lawsuits were repetitive. Why waste additional time rehashing this one issue after it had been ruled on by not just one judge but many?

Also consider that Trump and his attorneys modus operandi is to tie legal issues up in court with numerous appeals and very often no new evidence. The supreme court just ruled that Trumps tax returns must be made available to the special committee. It would be of no surprise if his attorneys found a way inspire the U.S. supreme court to revisit this decision which should be final as supreme court decision usually are.

At this point, one could opine that Trump and the republican party ‘stacking the deck’ hasn’t worked out as planned. 

A little history on this matter:

•   The Supreme Court rejected a bid by former President Donald Trump to prevent Congress from obtaining his income tax returns from the IRS.
•   The ruling comes more than three months after a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington ruled that the Ways and Means Committee had the right to obtain Trump’s tax returns.
•   Trump then asked the Supreme Court on Oct. 31 to block the committee from obtaining his tax returns.

As it was just stated :  "I think it was Yogi Berra , unless it was Casey Stengel, who said, 'Deja vu all over again.  I ruled on all these issues. It seems to me the facts are the same. The law is the same. Parties are the same," Engoron told Alina Habba, Trump's lawyer. "You can't keep making the same argument after you've already lost."

Look at the "evidence" that he has tried to use with the Mara-Lardo investigation :
1 - they were no classified docs
2 -  they were classified but he declassified them in a broad gesture
3 - there is no evidence of them being declassified, but he really did do it
4 - he declassified them with his mind
5 - the fbi planted evidence
6 - they were his own personal documents
7 - it is the movers fault
8 - he was just bringing his work home
9 - BUT OTHER PRESIDENTS DID IT TOO
10 - he wanted them for his Presidential library
11 - he wanted them to "help himself"
12 - etc

Rule of thumb : when suspects keep changing their stories, detectives start thinking they may be guilty.  Obviously no one has informed Trumpy of this.