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Alistair Overeem has promised to knock out Brock Lesnar at UFC 141, insisting he will have no problems stuffing the former champion's takedowns.
Lesnar is bidding to return to the top of the heavyweight food chain after a year's absence due to major surgery. He previously lost his belt to Cain Velasquez.
His return bout comes against Strikeforce king Overeem, who boasts a world class kickboxing pedigree.
When it comes to the showdown on December 30, Lesnar will surely come looking to wrestle while Overeem will plan to put hands on chin. And in Overeem's view, there is only one winner.
"I don't underestimate this man. Winning the UFC belt from Randy Couture in his fourth pro MMA fight and defending it against Frank Mir and Shane Carwin was very impressive," Overeem wrote in his blog for Yahoo Sports.
"I am also impressed by Lesnar's fighting spirit; he has twice come back from a very serious illness and fought very tough opposition right away. He obviously has a lot of confidence in himself in fighting me after more than a year out and surgery on his stomach, and I admire that about him.
"But I am even more confident in myself. I will knock this guy out. He is great at takedowns and controlling people on the ground, but I can stop his takedowns and he is no match for me on the feet. I am going to rip Brock Lesnar apart, piece by piece."
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Mir and Velasquez both predict a victory for Brock
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Mir and Velasquez bot predict a victory for Brock
Good for them. They'd both get raped by Overeem. He will be the new champ once he fights and destroys dos santos.
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Good for them. They'd both get raped by Overeem. He will be the new champ once he fights and destroys dos santos.
If Mir and Cain got roided up... They would both outweigh overeem.
Overeem is 200lb guy off the roids
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If Mir and Cain got roided up... They would both outweigh overeem.
Overeem is 200lb guy off the roids
if my grandmother had a cock she'd be my grandfather....IF, IF, IF.
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If Mir and Cain got roided up... They would both outweigh overeem.
Overeem is 200lb guy off the roids
blah blah blah
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blah blah blah
well, either way, Overeem has to fight Brock. Brock will weigh 270Lbs on fight night.
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If Mir and Cain got roided up... They would both outweigh overeem.
Overeem is 200lb guy off the roids
The Brazilians (Mir and Dos Santos) will give him a good fight. He'll walk thru Cain. I'm not sure about the roid comment.
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well, either way, Overeem has to fight Brock. Brock will weigh 270Lbs on fight night.
And Brock has to fight a guy that's just as strong and 10x more experience...Nighty, night Lesnar.
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The Brazilians (Mir and Dos Santos) will give him a good fight. He'll walk thru Cain. I'm not sure about the roid comment.
Mir is American...
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And Brock has to fight a guy that's just as strong and 10x more experience...Nighty, night Lesnar.
HaHa. We will see. talk will not Win the fight.
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If Mir and Cain got roided up... They would both outweigh overeem.
Overeem is 200lb guy off the roids
So Overeem is all drugs, is Lesnar natural?
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Is he implying that Lesnar is a Fruitarian?
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So Overeem is all drugs, is Lesnar natural?
lesnar is about 40lbs lighter, and less ripped than when he was in the WWE
i would say Brock has clean now
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but its truethat oveereem is on roid and dos santos etc are not, dats unfair
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Is he implying that Lesnar is a Fruitarian?
lmfao all strawberries and bananas
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i would say Brock has clean now
Hahahahahaha.
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Hahahahahaha.
well Brock is much smaller... and carries more bodyfat now compared to his WWE days
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well Brock is much smaller... and carries more bodyfat now compared to his WWE days
All of them use.
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Good for them. They'd both get raped by Overeem. He will be the new champ once he fights and destroys dos santos.
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Overeem is 200lb guy off the roids
6532 posts and making an embarrassing claim like this?
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lesnar lost his fire
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6532 posts and making an embarrassing claim like this?
Alistair weighed 200lbs whe he got knocked out by Chuck Liddell
then Alistair adds 55lbs of pure muscle ::)
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lesnar lost his fire
no... He had a terrible disease and surgury.
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no... He had a terrible disease and surgury.
he stuck a curling iron up his ass and fell alseep and welded his asshole shut, that's the lowdown
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Good for them. They'd both get raped by Overeem. He will be the new champ once he fights and destroys dos santos.
"Good for them. They'd both get raped by Overeem."...And raped hard !!!
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"Good for them. They'd both get raped by Overeem."...And raped hard !!!
why do you quote and then put what he said in between " " ? Thats what the damn quote does already lol.
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brocks going to rape overeem
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brocks going to rape overeem
Wrong sir. Brock has no whatsoever any chance against Overeem's techniques
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Overeem is so going to fuck Lesnar up. It will be ugly. There will be no doubt how awesome Overeem is after this fight.
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Overeem is so going to fuck Lesnar up. It will be ugly. There will be no doubt how awesome Overeem is after this fight.
funny that actual UFC fighters are picking Lesnar.
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funny that actual UFC fighters are picking Lesnar.
They'll be eating a healthy serving of crow. I can't wait! Overeem is too smart and experienced for Lesnar. Lesnar is a one trick pony.
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funny that actual UFC fighters are picking Lesnar.
Think most of them were picking Cain over Dos Santos too lol
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Overeem is so going to fuck Lesnar up. It will be ugly. There will be no doubt how awesome Overeem is after this fight.
But then certain people will say that Brock was all hype anyway.
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funny that actual UFC fighters are picking Lesnar.
Politics and over hyping the fight. Don't follow the herd, check both of their resumes. If everybody stated the obvious that Overeem would eat Brock for breakfast, do you think anybody would pay to watch the fight? No, so Mr.Dana aka businessman has to spark some controversy and bank some serious money by making a balance of prediction between both fighters!
Again, this is not a match for Overeem. He already know that Brock's stand up is no match for him. And Brock's take downs are the same way every single UFC fight he's had, check youtube and you'll see.
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Lesnar by TKO
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Overeem will not be able to stand up to the F5.
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brock will get destroyed for real 8)
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funny that actual UFC fighters are picking Lesnar.
Lol, no shit, you think the Dana's hand picked fighters are gonne pick a guy made famous by a competitive organization?
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Once again- Lesnar via TKO.
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Once again- Lesnar via TKO.
It would sure legitamize Lesnar.
No way though, Overeem by TKO.
Dudes got comparable strength, shit tons of experience, and is a BAMF at standup.
Isnt he the current K1 champ?
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It would sure legitamize Lesnar.
No way though, Overeem by TKO.
Dudes got comparable strength, shit tons of experience, and is a BAMF at standup.
Isnt he the current K1 champ?
All stats are against brock... only fanboys will think brock has a chanse which is natural, but for real brock will lose.
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I'll be at the fight. I will have a solid bet on Lesnar. All the books open with Overeem as a slight favorite. Right now it's a "pick'em" aka even wager.
To be continued. . .
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They'll be eating a healthy serving of crow. I can't wait! Overeem is too smart and experienced for Lesnar. Lesnar is a one trick pony.
lol dude.. Overeem has only been fighting 2nd tier fighters!
Brock fights champions!
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lol dude.. Overeem has only been fighting 2nd tier fighters!
Brock fights champions!
lol... the first REAL champion he fought, he lost ... and lost bad!
Cain made him look like a little bitch, he doesn't like to get hit. he gives his back when hit hard, and does an embryo on the ground.
the rest? he beat Randy Couture, a 47 year old man, that weighed 50 pounds less then him.
i love randy, but the heavyweight division was real weak at that time in the UFC.
Frank Mir, is a top dog when on, and they are still 1-1, mir did beat Brock once , and will do that again if they fought.
the rest, well Herring was allready way over the hill, and he beat Min Soo Kim, also not a big champion.....
and Shane Carwin, please .... ::) he is one of the most overrated fighters in the ufc today! did you see how Cigano toyed with him?? the fight lasted all the rounds because junior wanted it to.
Overeem fought some of the best in the world, lost some , but also won...
experience is there! and now he is a true heavyweight, won the k1 tournament, and was strikeforce and dream champ at the same time.
that does say something! sure he did fight some cans....but also some of the best...
he beat some of the best kickboxers , on their own ground. him being an mma fighter.
he ko'd hari bad! beat Spong, and Saki, and Aerts, to be k1 champ, sure a little luck was there, but it was a tournament. he fought smart , was not damaged, and won!
he outclassed Rogers, Duffee, and beat Werdum. the werdum fight was horrible , but that was because Werdum thought he was participating in the bjj world championships.
also Overeem beat Belfort, Vovchanchyn, Kharitonov who are great fighters and tough dudes.
also overeem was adcc european champ, so his grappling is actually very , very good!
i will be very , very surprised if brock has anything to say in this fight....
Overeem WILL tear him apart, piece by piece.... ;D
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OvereemPrime....I'd have to disagree about Mir, Lesnar was handing him his ass in the first fight, even after the bunk call by the ref, the second fight he smashed Mir pretty hard...a third fight would be more of the same.
Not a huge Overeem fan myself, his last few fights have been very lackluster and unimpressive, wins or not.
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lol... the first REAL champion he fought, he lost ... and lost bad!
Cain made him look like a little bitch, he doesn't like to get hit. he gives his back when hit hard, and does an embryo on the ground.
the rest? he beat Randy Couture, a 47 year old man, that weighed 50 pounds less then him.
i love randy, but the heavyweight division was real weak at that time in the UFC.
Frank Mir, is a top dog when on, and they are still 1-1, mir did beat Brock once , and will do that again if they fought.
the rest, well Herring was allready way over the hill, and he beat Min Soo Kim, also not a big champion.....
and Shane Carwin, please .... ::) he is one of the most overrated fighters in the ufc today! did you see how Cigano toyed with him?? the fight lasted all the rounds because junior wanted it to.
Overeem fought some of the best in the world, lost some , but also won...
experience is there! and now he is a true heavyweight, won the k1 tournament, and was strikeforce and dream champ at the same time.
that does say something! sure he did fight some cans....but also some of the best...
he beat some of the best kickboxers , on their own ground. him being an mma fighter.
he ko'd hari bad! beat Spong, and Saki, and Aerts, to be k1 champ, sure a little luck was there, but it was a tournament. he fought smart , was not damaged, and won!
he outclassed Rogers, Duffee, and beat Werdum. the werdum fight was horrible , but that was because Werdum thought he was participating in the bjj world championships.
also Overeem beat Belfort, Vovchanchyn, Kharitonov who are great fighters and tough dudes.
also overeem was adcc european champ, so his grappling is actually very , very good!
i will be very , very surprised if brock has anything to say in this fight....
Overeem WILL tear him apart, piece by piece.... ;D
Herring was NOT over the hill when he fought brock!! Herring was 29 or 30!
Randy was champ when Brock beat him.
Carwin was undefeated when Brock beat him.
Mir has already stated that Brock will "easily" beat overeem.
Overeem has not fought a top fighter in over 4-5 years!
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White guy for the win....
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Herring was NOT over the hill when he fought brock!! Herring was 29 or 30!
Randy was champ when Brock beat him.
Carwin was undefeated when Brock beat him.
Mir has already stated that Brock will "easily" beat overeem.
Overeem has not fought a top fighter in over 4-5 years!
Herring looked worse than ever
Brock had 50lbs on Randy (50lbs!)
Ever since Brock raped Mir, hes been saying Brock is unstoppable in order to downplay his loss to an inexperienced fighter
Overeem beat Werdum who is a top fighter and dummied the dangerous Todd Duffee (the guy everybody was hyping the shit out of before he got canned)
You need more accuracy with your statements, you need precision and you need more facts
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lol... the first REAL champion he fought, he lost ... and lost bad!
Cain made him look like a little bitch, he doesn't like to get hit. he gives his back when hit hard, and does an embryo on the ground.
the rest? he beat Randy Couture, a 47 year old man, that weighed 50 pounds less then him.
i love randy, but the heavyweight division was real weak at that time in the UFC.
Frank Mir, is a top dog when on, and they are still 1-1, mir did beat Brock once , and will do that again if they fought.
the rest, well Herring was allready way over the hill, and he beat Min Soo Kim, also not a big champion.....
and Shane Carwin, please .... ::) he is one of the most overrated fighters in the ufc today! did you see how Cigano toyed with him?? the fight lasted all the rounds because junior wanted it to.
Overeem fought some of the best in the world, lost some , but also won...
experience is there! and now he is a true heavyweight, won the k1 tournament, and was strikeforce and dream champ at the same time.
that does say something! sure he did fight some cans....but also some of the best...
he beat some of the best kickboxers , on their own ground. him being an mma fighter.
he ko'd hari bad! beat Spong, and Saki, and Aerts, to be k1 champ, sure a little luck was there, but it was a tournament. he fought smart , was not damaged, and won!
he outclassed Rogers, Duffee, and beat Werdum. the werdum fight was horrible , but that was because Werdum thought he was participating in the bjj world championships.
also Overeem beat Belfort, Vovchanchyn, Kharitonov who are great fighters and tough dudes.
also overeem was adcc european champ, so his grappling is actually very , very good!
i will be very , very surprised if brock has anything to say in this fight....
Overeem WILL tear him apart, piece by piece.... ;D
Yeah, as far as experience....
Overeem >>>>>>>>>>> Lesnar
Nevertheless, unless Overeem KOs Brock immediately or clinches and uses Uberknee, Brock will take him to the mat. Overeem's takedown defenses are not fantastic and I don't think he will be able to get off his back on the ground to submit Brock. Overeem better end this quickly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I watched the Overeem/Werdum fight, Werdum beat himself, constantly throwing himself on his back like that, even the announcer pointed out that on his feet Werdum was doing very good against Overeem.
I just want to see a good fight, if Brock curls up in the feta position again I hope Dana fires him on the spot!!
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Herring looked worse than ever
Brock had 50lbs on Randy (50lbs!)
Ever since Brock raped Mir, hes been saying Brock is unstoppable in order to downplay his loss to an inexperienced fighter
Overeem beat Werdum who is a top fighter and dummied the dangerous Todd Duffee (the guy everybody was hying the shit out of before he got canned)
You need more accuracy with your statements, you need precision and you need more facts
this! agreed 1000%
and herring being 30 , age has nothing to with one being over the hill....
time in the ring has more to do with it..... if you start early , you will be busted up sooner than someone who started later in life.
also mentally after years of fighting one gets tired....
and indeed duffy when in the UFC was the next big thing, a record fast ko if i recall...
got into a arguement with Dana, got shafted and was named a can????
mir is a 50/50 fighter , he can be top fighter but also can look like a total amateur. Mir on a good day WILL defeat Brock.
and werdum is and was indeed a top 10 fighter, a top bjj expert!!!!! you do not want to jump in this guy's guard, just ask Fedor ;D
if one looks at the fighters resume, Overeem has beat a lot more top fighters than Brock has.
Overeem has more experience, just as strong maybe even stronger.... a lot better grappling, far better striking. and we saw how well Brock reacts to striking.... lol!
Overeem by a sick KO!
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MMAth, ::) oh brother.
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Do you have links/proof that Overeem can match Brocks strength? Do you really think Overeem beat Werdum or that Werdum cost himself the fight? Honestly? Yes experience wise Overeem has years on Lesnar.
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I watched the Overeem/Werdum fight, Werdum beat himself, constantly throwing himself on his back like that, even the announcer pointed out that on his feet Werdum was doing very good against Overeem.
I just want to see a good fight, if Brock curls up in the feta position again I hope Dana fires him on the spot!!
all i saw was Werdum thinking it was a bjj match, and scared of Overeem's power punches.
and an Overeem that LET himself get hit by Werdum , because it did not hurt him.
He was looking for the KO, but everytime he connected Werdum threw himself on the ground.
Werdums punches were baby punches, really did not hurt.
Brock WILL curl up again when hit hard, that is his nature, something like that is hard to correct.
but indeed , i to want to see a good fight!
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I would have to disagree with Overeem LETTING himself get hit, he may have been more willing to engage in an attempt to throw a KO punch on Werdum, however Brock won't try those half assed grab the guy and try to pull him down takedowns Werdum tried, Brock will run straight through Overeem and IF he gets on top I don't see Overeem over powering Brock, especially off his back.
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Do you have links/proof that Overeem can match Brocks strength? Do you really think Overeem beat Werdum or that Werdum cost himself the fight? Honestly? Yes experience wise Overeem has years on Lesnar.
well look at Overeem's fights... he was throwing Rogers around like a babydoll.
also Duffee, a big dude, threw him around like a babydoll.... that takes power.
brock has that power, so does Overeem, maybe even more so... i said maybe....
Overeem did beat werdum!! If werdum had the balls to actually have fought Overeem in that fight, he would have been KO'd hard!
even in their first fight in pride, up until Werdum got his arm, it was all Overeem. He was dominating Werdum.
Werdum is just a very slick and dangerous ground fighter, his stand up is very very weak though.
i just hope it is gonna be a great fight and not a clash of styles again!
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I would have to disagree with Overeem LETTING himself get hit, he may have been more willing to engage in an attempt to throw a KO punch on Werdum, however Brock won't try those half assed grab the guy and try to pull him down takedowns Werdum tried, Brock will run straight through Overeem and IF he gets on top I don't see Overeem over powering Brock, especially off his back.
Overeem was definitely not worried about these baby punches, it showed.
Overeem is great of his back, was adcc euro champ.....
brock is great at wrestling yes, but a very very 1 dimensional fighter, once on top all he knows is gnp....
and running straight into Overeem is not smart, the man has some of the best Guillotinechokes.
at the adcc euro in 2005 i believe, he won all his matches with a guillotine.
his ground game is very very good!
all he has to work on is take down defense, which i am sure he is doing over at couture's....
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not sure how he will handle coming into the ufc...it seems like a rough adjustment for some. kind of a tough fight for him him in his ufc debut. if he fights like he is capable of fighting i think overeem wins
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Will be a MUST-SEE for sure!
This fight is so anticipated that i believe even Derek Anthony, Melvin Goodrum and Vince Basile will watch it!
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brocks going to destroy this prettty guy his body was built bodybuilding. Brocks was built for amateur wrestling in college and the wwe brock is way stronger then that fuck. Brock had a better college wrestling record then cotour and a faster 40yrd dash then jerry rice
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brocks going to destroy this prettty guy his body was built buy bodybuilding. Brocks was built for amateur wrestling in college and the wwe brock is way stronger then that fuck. Brock had a better college wrestling record then cotour and a faster 40yrd dash then jerry rice
We will just have to see won't we! :D
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Carwin just picked Brock to beat Overeem
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/955773-a-br-exclusive-interview-with-shane-carwin-i-still-have-a-title-to-win
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brocks going to destroy this prettty guy his body was built bodybuilding. Brocks was built for amateur wrestling in college and the wwe brock is way stronger then that fuck. Brock had a better college wrestling record then cotour and a faster 40yrd dash then jerry rice
your rambling....
Overeems body is not suited for BB at all!!!!
He is very tall! Long limbs, has a funky chest, and no calves at all.....
He looks very impressive and is very muscular, but he has a fighters body...
Brock is just strong yes! but is not a agile fighter! no jiu jitsu at all....just wrestling and gnp.
And mma is not just wrestling, Overeem will improve his take down defense , and when brock storms at him like brock always does, he will get hit by a knee, or get choked by a guillotine.
if brock keeps it standing it is lights out anyway, because his striking is pathetic.
and i am not worried at all if brock gets on top, Overeem has great grappling, and is great off his back!
he is adcc euro champ, you guys underestimate Overeems groundgame severely.
it is a fight and anything can happen, but if i were to make a bet, my money would be on Overeem.
just look at the guys resume, and then look at brock his resume....
oh and at the pressconference, brock did not seem very confident, he lost allready... ;)
i would be very surprised if brock wins this fight, but again i want to see a great fight..... may the best man win! Overeem! ;D ;D ;D
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Oh brother ::)
Listen to yourselves. Compared to Badr Hari yes, Werdum hits like a baby. It was not the prettiest fight it's true. I see a night and day difference between Brok and Ubereem. Alistair will lay him out.
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Absolutely want Brock to win.
Overeem's every punch will be nullified by Cock's new technique - the Brockblock.
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Absolutely want Brock to win.
Overeem's every punch will be nullified by Cock's new technique - the Brockblock.
is that his new technique?
in addition to is existing rock&rolla embryo shuffle?
in his last fight he was dancing around the cage when he got hit for real, and ended on the floor in the embryo position. In his head he was crying for mommy!
brock is a big strong dude, but he has a bully mentality.... when you hit bullys back they cry!
Shane Carwin gave brock a beating , that says enough..... if Carwin had anything of a gastank he would have destroyed brock in their fight.
And Carwin is not a top 10 fighter in my opinion, very very overrated..!
Look at what Cigano did with him....Carwin was outclassed! Carwins wrestlng didn't get him nowhere! because Cigano has a great take down defense. And Overeem will have that as well, not THAT difficult to learn you know??
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I can't believe I used to be one of the dummies arguing like this lol.
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I can't believe I used to be one of the dummies arguing like this lol.
calling me a dummie??????
fuck you Swede! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D
....if it makes you happy, keep at it!
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;D ;D
....if it makes you happy, keep at it!
lol..... ;D ;D ;D
it just i am looking forward to this fight man....! I am dutch! So yes, i am rooting for Ali...
And i am not a Brock fan, sorry lol!
i want to see him get hurt! Bad! ;)
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Im rooing for brock ofc, and if he can avoid the initial uberknee I think he might be able to take him down and hold him there.
But if he loses we have JDS vs Overeem. Now Thats going to be insane. I think jds might beat overeem standing, and That would be a sight!
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Im rooing for brock ofc, and if he can avoid the initial uberknee I think he might be able to take him down and hold him there.
But if he loses we have JDS vs Overeem. Now Thats going to be insane. I think jds might beat overeem standing, and That would be a sight!
agreed JDS is a top dog....! Enjoy his fights!
will be a dangerous fight for Ali.
But since i am dutch , rooting for Ali... ofc... lol!
btw, Brock will get hurt.... ;D ;D
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Stupid sport, I'd rather watch soccer...
;D
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Stupid sport, I'd rather watch soccer...
;D
soccer.. no thanks..... to violent for me! ;D ;D ;D
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lol..... ;D ;D ;D
it just i am looking forward to this fight man....! I am dutch! So yes, i am rooting for Ali...
And i am not a Brock fan, sorry lol!
i want to see him get hurt! Bad! ;)
:P
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soccer.. no thanks..... to violent for me! ;D ;D ;D
Agreed, with all those hooligans and uncontrolled violence. I much prefer MMA any day - at least the MMA men are trying to be valiant and brave and bold like real men should be. Fucking nancy boy soccer homos should be banned from inhaling oxygen.
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Agreed, with all those hooligans and uncontrolled violence. I much prefer MMA any day - at least the MMA men are trying to be valiant and brave and bold like real men should be. Fucking nancy boy soccer homos should be banned from inhaling oxygen.
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:P
you should have put the other fight up, you know where Overeem beats The Moroccan senseless. ;D ;D
and Overeem is still waiting for Badr to man up, and fight Overeem in a mma match. That was the deal.
Badr is a great kickboxer, but a terrible person. He is gonna box now, calls himself a cross between Ali and Tyson.... ::) hope he gets his ass handed to him..... boxing is very difficult!
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It only takes one mistake either way, but from what I've read even Overeem doesn't think its going to be as easy as the rest of you do. ;)
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It only takes one mistake either way, but from what I've read even Overeem doesn't think its going to be as easy as the rest of you do. ;)
You do you think will win and how?
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I'm a devils advocate, I'd love to see Lesnar show some improvement and KO Overeem, but the realist side of me says Overeem is going to punch Brock in the face and he's going to crumble. :(
You?
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Would be better for the UFC if Alistair wins this fight, but you never know. Brock is still a very big and strong guy and Alistair doesn't have the greatest chin.
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I'm a devils advocate, I'd love to see Lesnar show some improvement and KO Overeem, but the realist side of me says Overeem is going to punch Brock in the face and he's going to crumble. :(
You?
Lesnar always has a chance because of his size, strength and speed but better more rounded heavyweights have arrived (more coming) and he's exposed. His stand up game is very, very weak. So to me if he's standing up the only way he wins is with a lucky punch.
If Lesnar can successfully rush Overeem take him down and hammerfist him till the fight is stopped then he can win on the ground. I know he's an accomplished wrestler.
Problem is overeem is crazy experienced and has fought and became a champion in K-1, Strikeforce and Dream. Yes he lost some but he won alot more. Overeems kickboxing alone is sick. he will destroy Lesnar standing up and when Lesnar tries to rush him he toss him aside like hes done Brett Rogers and other just as large. Lesnar is fighting someone a little younger, more driven and a whole lot more experienced than he is. It doesn't add up for Lesnar to win outside the lucky punch or something Lucky. I don't think many people know Overeem that much. I've followed him and Fedor as they are my favorite fighters. Overeem is not perfect and I don't think he's a best ever kinda guy. He's the best there is right now in the heavyweight division IMO the jury is still out on Dos Santos I mean gotta a least see a couple rounds.
I'm gonna say Overeem 1st round UBERKNEE followed by fists of fury.
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Lesnar always has a chance because of his size, strength and speed but better more rounded heavyweights have arrived (more coming) and he's exposed. His stand up game is very, very weak. So to me if he's standing up the only way he wins is with a lucky punch.
If Lesnar can successfully rush Overeem take him down and hammerfist him till the fight is stopped then he can win on the ground. I know he's an accomplished wrestler.
Problem is overeem is crazy experienced and has fought and became a champion in K-1, Strikeforce and Dream. Yes he lost some but he won alot more. Overeems kickboxing alone is sick. he will destroy Lesnar standing up and when Lesnar tries to rush him he toss him aside like hes done Brett Rogers and other just as large. Lesnar is fighting someone a little younger, more driven and a whole lot more experienced than he is. It doesn't add up for Lesnar to win outside the lucky punch or something Lucky. I don't think many people know Overeem that much. I've followed him and Fedor as they are my favorite fighters. Overeem is not perfect and I don't think he's a best ever kinda guy. He's the best there is right now in the heavyweight division IMO the jury is still out on Dos Santos I mean gotta a least see a couple rounds.
I'm gonna say Overeem 1st round UBERKNEE followed by fists of fury.
x 100!
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Im rooing for brock ofc, and if he can avoid the initial uberknee I think he might be able to take him down and hold him there.
But if he loses we have JDS vs Overeem. Now Thats going to be insane. I think jds might beat overeem standing, and That would be a sight!
JDS will beat Alistair standing. His perfectly timed looping bombs will lay everyone out, and he'll hold that belt for a real long time.
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JDS will beat Alistair standing. His perfectly timed looping bombs will lay everyone out, and he'll hold that belt for a real long time.
I think Brock has a better chance of beating Alistair than JDS.
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JDS will beat Alistair standing. His perfectly timed looping bombs will lay everyone out, and he'll hold that belt for a real long time.
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agreed jds is very very good! but the way he holds his hands..... very very low... somebody someday IS gonna punish him for that....
and who in the heavyweight division held on for a title for years? i think nobody, could be wrong though...
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no... He had a terrible disease and surgury.
that was a long time ago.... overeem is a much better fighter now.... i think brock's days are numbered
rip brock
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JDS will beat Alistair standing. His perfectly timed looping bombs will lay everyone out, and he'll hold that belt for a real long time.
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agreed jds is very very good! but the way he holds his hands..... very very low... somebody someday IS gonna punish him for that....
and who in the heavyweight division held on for a title for years? i think nobody, could be wrong though...
Hes too quick on his feet for anyone to even get close to him, but I think someone with the ability to get in the pocket and clinch him has a good shot. If JDS keeps his distance from his opponent and dictates the pace hes really hard to beat, because he gets more time to set up his combos and maintain his distance. Somebody needs to dirty box and clinch and dictate the pace but I dont see who can do it at HW.
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Hes too quick on his feet for anyone to even get close to him, but I think someone with the ability to get in the pocket and clinch him has a good shot. If JDS keeps his distance from his opponent and dictates the pace hes really hard to beat, because he gets more time to set up his combos and maintain his distance. Somebody needs to dirty box and clinch and dictate the pace but I dont see who can do it at HW.
we'll see how Ali will do vs Cigano! ;)
will be hell of a fight!
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I'd love to see Brock win, but when i think of the fact he couldnt keep Cain on the floor i wonder how he's going to do against a man as strong as Overeem. I can see clearly how he CAN win this fight, im just not sure he can implement the plan without getting caught. hes been out a good while and his fight against Cain showed that he can be beaten, and beaten quite easily.
Gut says Brock by Rd 2 TKO, head says Overeem by Rd 1 TKO
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the referee stopped the fight too early again.
it's a massive fight with tremendous class, let them duke it out till the end! Fuck the mainstream friendlyness, the problem is that they show street violence in tv, not k-1 championship bouts 8)
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the referee stopped the fight too early again.
it's a massive fight with tremendous class, let them duke it out till the end! Fuck the mainstream friendlyness, the problem is that they show street violence in tv, not k-1 championship bouts 8)
Ali got rocked there lol! ;D , but i agree it was stopped to early.....but nothing to be ashamed off, Hari is a very heavy hitter!
To me a fight is not violence, it is a fight.... not a brawl/arguement.
2 adults trained to fight , fight to see who is better that day. Mutual respect , and afterwards no hard feelings.
Agreed on your remark that they show all kinds of violence and suffering on tv, even at hours that kids watch. I mean take a look at the news.... suffering, killing, sickness, fighting, all to see on TV.
and then they talk about how video games and movies make kids do violent stuff...... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Ali got rocked there lol! ;D , but i agree it was stopped to early.....but nothing to be ashamed off, Hari is a very heavy hitter!
To me a fight is not violence, it is a fight.... not a brawl/arguement.
2 adults trained to fight , fight to see who is better that day. Mutual respect , and afterwards no hard feelings.
Agreed on your remark that they show all kinds of violence and suffering on tv, even at hours that kids watch. I mean take a look at the news.... suffering, killing, sickness, fighting, all to see on TV.
and then they talk about how video games and movies make kids do violent stuff...... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I know overeem got rocked, I'm not completely blind , you know, and overeem would've dropped down unconscious but I think fights of this level need no speculation, let them go all the way out, it was one or three punches away. The fighters deserve it, if I was a fighter I wouldn't want any stoppage, because then you didn't do yourself justice, because your right to go all out was taken away from you, it would get me very frustrated. To let someone put down the fire before it isn't even close to burn out, it's like all the hardwork and training and sleepless nights and ready to fight till the end just so that someone would stop the fight for you.
But yeah agree with you with the other topic, just like i think it's good that you would teach how to use a weapon properly to a child in a controlled environment so that the child won't think it's "cool" to destroy things with guns from the movies etc, and respects the weapon. And if there were more fighting championships the children would learn that there is honor envolved and respect and sportmanship. And the fighters are dedicated, which is also a good example for kids.
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I know overeem got rocked, I'm not completely blind , you know, and overeem would've dropped down unconscious but I think fights of this level need no speculation, let them go all the way out, it was one or three punches away. The fighters deserve it, if I was a fighter I wouldn't want any stoppage, because then you didn't do yourself justice, because your right to go all out was taken away from you, it would get me very frustrated. To let someone put down the fire before it isn't even close to burn out, it's like all the hardwork and training and sleepless nights and ready to fight till the end just so that someone would stop the fight for you.
But yeah agree with you with the other topic, just like i think it's good that you would teach how to use a weapon properly to a child in a controlled environment so that the child won't think it's "cool" to destroy things with guns from the movies etc, and respects the weapon. And if there were more fighting championships the children would learn that there is honor envolved and respect and sportmanship. And the fighters are dedicated, which is also a good example for kids.
completely agree with you....
notice you say that a child needs to be learned stuff.
that is where the parents come in the picture, and that is what is wrong today... the parents are nowhere to be seen!
both working, both fulltime, drop their kids off at a creche in the morning only to pick them up at night!
at least that is how it is in The Netherlands....
10 years from now we will have a generation of adult people with all kinds of mental problems!
it's not the tv that makes kids do crazy stuff, it's lack of attention/love/familiy etc etc...
but we are getting off topic here... ;D ;D ;D
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completely agree with you....
notice you say that a child needs to be learned stuff.
that is where the parents come in the picture, and that is what is wrong today... the parents are nowhere to be seen!
both working, both fulltime, drop their kids off at a creche in the morning only to pick them up at night!
at least that is how it is in The Netherlands....
10 years from now we will have a generation of adult people with all kinds of mental problems!
it's not the tv that makes kids do crazy stuff, it's lack of attention/love/familiy etc etc...
but we are getting off topic here... ;D ;D ;D
lol, no you're right. I went to the "tv may be part of the growth" way of thinking. But kids do watch tv and it would be only proper to have something more humane for them, so the parents wouldn't have to tell them no no all the time ;D
Even though parents love and respect and discipline is the most important, media does effect the kidz (I think)!
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lol, no you're right. I went to the "tv may be part of the growth" way of thinking. But kids do watch tv and it would be only proper to have something more humane for them, so the parents wouldn't have to tell them no no all the time ;D
Even though parents love and respect and discipline is the most important, media does effect the kidz (I think)!
yes ofc, media effects us all....
but when i was a kid , my parents were there to correct me, turn off the tv, told me to go and play outside! etc etc...
now you have a generation of people that do not have parents so to speak, they are not there for their kids.
i think that is the problem, because when i was a kid there was violence on tv as well.... i never did crazy stuff, neither my friends... lol...
because i KNEW it was tv... fiction, not real.... my parents made sure of that...
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Guys with half the strength of Brock have taken Overeem down, once Lesner has him down game over thats it. The only chance Overeem has is in the first minute. lol at whoever said Overeem is a strong as Brock :-[
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yes ofc, media effects us all....
but when i was a kid , my parents were there to correct me, turn off the tv, told me to go and play outside! etc etc...
now you have a generation of people that do not have parents so to speak, they are not there for their kids.
i think that is the problem, because when i was a kid there was violence on tv as well.... i never did crazy stuff, neither my friends... lol...
because i KNEW it was tv... fiction, not real.... my parents made sure of that...
this is true, in 2011 6 year olds have iphones and blackberrys, doing youtube blogs... this is it today :D... think about the people who are born, like 20 years from now... I think they will try to be robots then because humanity is so lame :D
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Guys with half the strength of Brock have taken Overeem down, once Lesner has him down game over thats it. The only chance Overeem has is in the first minute. lol at whoever said Overeem is a strong as Brock :-[
Brock is nowhere near the animal he used to be, and nobody knows what effect the surgery had on him. If he does have a strength advantage then its minimal as Overeem has juiced up to elite levels, however its a dead cert that a prime Brock crushes just about everybody in a battle of power.
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I'm kind of excited about this fight now.
Overeem reall should win this fight, but not if he performs in the few fights i've seen him in lately. I wouldn't rule out Brock though. If the Reem is over-cautious Brock might get lucky.
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Brock is nowhere near the animal he used to be, and nobody knows what effect the surgery had on him. If he does have a strength advantage then its minimal as Overeem has juiced up to elite levels, however its a dead cert that a prime Brock crushes just about everybody in a battle of power.
and brock doesn't juice.....??? lolol.... ::)
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Guys with half the strength of Brock have taken Overeem down, once Lesner has him down game over thats it. The only chance Overeem has is in the first minute. lol at whoever said Overeem is a strong as Brock :-[
what guys have taken Overeem down lately??
i am talking Overeem 2.0 not the pride Overeem.. fighters evolve you know..... ;D
Overeem threw Rogers around like a doll, same with Duffee, both guys are big strong dudes.. in the 240's/ 250's...Also Werdum said after the fight he felt the power of Overeem, was like i hit a brick wall he said. Werdum is a big dude also!
brock is around 270 and Overeem almost 260.. only 10 pounds of a diffrence..
Overeem is a good 2 inch taller.
gonna be a hell of a fight ! i hope.... lol....
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Guys with half the strength of Brock have taken Overeem down, once Lesner has him down game over thats it. The only chance Overeem has is in the first minute. lol at whoever said Overeem is a strong as Brock :-[
Brock has been exposed in his last two fights.
(http://www.aeso.nl/rw_common/images/Appelte%20Eitje%20Logo%20244.png)
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brock is around 270 and Overeem almost 260.. only 10 pounds of a diffrence...
hes back @ 280 after the surgery which made him feel fine again. at least that's what he claims. The feeling fine part. Dont doubt the weight,
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Lol@people STILL buying into the Brock hype.
Im with Chaos on this one, Id like to see Brock legitamize himself, but its just not gonna happen, Overeem is too good.
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the face off between vrock and overeem shows lesnars obvious tensity towards overeem while overeem didn't even see brock as impressive. Brock was impressed by overeems confidence in his eyes and was a little sourprised by his overall greatness. You could see it.
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Lol@people STILL buying into the Brock hype.
Im with Chaos on this one, Id like to see Brock legitamize himself, but its just not gonna happen, Overeem is too good.
what hype? Brock won 3 title fights! Thats not hype. Brock delivered.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1111/mma_e_lesnar11_300.jpg)
Brock at 278LB three weeks ago
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what hype? Brock won 3 title fights! Thats not hype. Brock delivered.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1111/mma_e_lesnar11_300.jpg)
Brock at 278LB three weeks ago
Brock will deliver and make it look easy.
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Finally a photo that shows that lesnar was Much bigger. Since the startedown from the side made Overeem look bigger since he stood at an angle.
(http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/lesnar-overeem.jpg)
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2261157/Lesnar_bicep_large.jpg)
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what hype? Brock won 3 title fights! Thats not hype. Brock delivered.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1111/mma_e_lesnar11_300.jpg)
Brock at 278LB three weeks ago
All confidence - cock is the power!
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All confidence - cock is the power!
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Brock will deliver and make it look easy.
Lol.
Its one thing to say you think Brock will win, to say he will make it look easy against arguably the best standing heavyweight in the world is just ignorant. (Reigning K1 Champ)
ESPECIALLY with Brocks phobia of fists (see his fetal position/run away every time someone hits him)
Going from Brocks previous fights, all Overeem is gonna have to do is nail him with 1 or 2 good shots, and Brock is going to go into run away mode... and then itll be all over.
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Lol.
Its one thing to say you think Brock will win, to say he will make it look easy against arguably the best standing heavyweight in the world is just ignorant. (Reigning K1 Champ)
ESPECIALLY with Brocks phobia of fists (see his fetal position/run away every time someone hits him)
Going from Brocks previous fights, all Overeem is gonna have to do is nail him with 1 or 2 good shots, and Brock is going to go into run away mode... and then itll be all over.
after the Loss to Cain, and a talk with Bas Rutten, Pat Berry is conducting stand-up training differently with Brock this time. Brock will actually be getting punched during practice now
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after the Loss to Cain, and a talk with Bas Rutten, Pat Berry is conducting stand-up training differently with Brock this time. Brock will actually be getting punched during practice now
Yeah, thats all well and good, but the only person thats ever hit him with the power that Overeem has is Carwin, and Carwin gassed in 2 seconds out of stupidity.
That will not happen with Overeem. No amount of getting punched in sparring is going to prepare Brock for Overeems knees and punches IMO, and I dont believe that the (relatively) short amount of training Brock is getting in taking a punch is going to override his instincts when one of Overeems massive blows lands.
My .02. Brock is a great wrestler and a decent fighter, but hes just one of those guys that cant stand getting hit (regardless of how tough his chin is) and his instinct is to flee when he takes a punch. Not a great trait in a MMA fight, especially not against the K1 Champ.
To even have a chance he has to take Overeem down right away and not let him throw any blows... which I dont see happening right away, as Overeem has a great takedown defense. Brock cannot allow Overeem to hit him, and I cannot possibly see that happening before Overeem has a chance to do his damage.
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Finally a photo that shows that lesnar was Much bigger. Since the startedown from the side made Overeem look bigger since he stood at an angle.
(http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/lesnar-overeem.jpg)
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2261157/Lesnar_bicep_large.jpg)
T-shirt & jeans vs Tailor made suit
American vs European
Trash vs Class
Chump vs Champ
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after the Loss to Cain, and a talk with Bas Rutten, Pat Berry is conducting stand-up training differently with Brock this time. Brock will actually be getting punched during practice now
Do you have proof of this?
I saw the video you linked
and bas talks about what brocks needs to do in the end.. But he doesn't say Now they'reg oing to do so etc.. So where has that been said? Im really hoping It's true but I want some clear cut evidence lol.
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Do you have proof of this?
I saw the video you linked
and bas talks about what brocks needs to do in the end.. But he doesn't say Now they'reg oing to do so etc.. So where has that been said? Im really hoping It's true but I want some clear cut evidence lol.
When I first saw that video; I assumed that Bas and Pat discussed how detrimental it is to NOT hit Brock during training. Im guessing Pat has convinced Brock that the "no hitting" policy is a going to short change him. Brock said he is training is different this time. So I deduced they changed the "no hitting" rule.
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When I first saw that video; I assumed that Bas and Pat discussed how detrimental it is to NOT hit Brock during training. Im guessing Pat has convinced Brock that the "no hitting" policy is a going to short change him. Brock said he is training is different this time. So I deduced they changed the "no hitting" rule.
He mentioned something around those lines at the pressconference.. Would be nice to hear the actual words though lol.
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after the Loss to Cain, and a talk with Bas Rutten, Pat Berry is conducting stand-up training differently with Brock this time. Brock will actually be getting punched during practice now
That is probably THE MOST helpful thing for Brock at this time.
Rather than go off into the Minnesota woods or whatever he does in the off season, he needs be in there learning how to NOT go into panic mode when the shots starting raining down on him. I think I heard Bas Rutten say in an interview once that you begin that training slowly by standing against a wall and react to slower punches and build your way up. We'll see how he reacts when that first combination starts to come in.
I think a competitive Brock Lesnar is good for the sport for sure.
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I think I heard Bas Rutten say in an interview once that you begin that training slowly by standing against a wall and react to slower punches and build your way up.
... you mean the video 2 posts above yours? ::)
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When I first saw that video; I assumed that Bas and Pat discussed how detrimental it is to NOT hit Brock during training. Im guessing Pat has convinced Brock that the "no hitting" policy is a going to short change him. Brock said he is training is different this time. So I deduced they changed the "no hitting" rule.
Yeah, but Brock said he was training differently last time too. We'll see.
I would like to see Brock competitive, but he has to make some MAJOR changes to go up against the likes of Overeem.
Brock has been a 1 trick pony his whole career, hopefully he's rectified this, but I doubt it.
I remember him saying before how he had been working on his standup, but it didnt show at all when he actually fought.
Hopefully its different, or its going to be a really short fight.
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Brocks flying knee was crazy in that fight. I think Brock through 5 knees in the first 15 seconds of the fight.
He clocked Cain a couple times with his fists too.
Somewhere in the Brock's initial bullrush; Cain got hurt... the torn rotator cuff that plagued him for a full year afterward
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edit* not getting dragged into serious arguments lol.
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lol.
I will just say brock looked improve standing up in the first part of the fight lol. But not where he needs to be. HOPEFULLY he listens to Bas and lets Pat hit him. He has the solution in pat.
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edit* not getting dragged into serious arguments lol.
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lol.
I will just say brock looked improve standing up in the first part of the fight lol. But not where he needs to be. HOPEFULLY he listens to Bas and lets Pat hit him. He has the solution in pat.
Whatever he does it will not be enough to stand up against the K1-champ. Brock will shoot and do it fast because he knows it could be over in less than a minute if he doesn't.
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Lots of cage fighting analysts in this thread.
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Overeems sick kickboxing is going to reduce Brock to a bloody pulp. You haven't seen knees until you've seen an Uberknee.
I loling hard at Lesnar apologists believing he an decent chance...This is going to be great.
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Overeems sick kickboxing is going to reduce Brock to a bloody pulp. You haven't seen knees until you've seen an Uberknee.
I loling hard at Lesnar apologists believing he an decent chance...This is going to be great.
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Wrestlers beat strikers 9 out of 10 times.
I dont see why this would be any different.
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Wrestlers beat strikers 9 out of 10 times.
I dont see why this would be any different.
well, this is mma not a square off between a boxer and a wrestler so it's not as simple as that
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well, this is mma not a square off between a boxer and a wrestler so it's not as simple as that
Took the words out of my mouth
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Wrestlers beat strikers 9 out of 10 times.
I dont see why this would be any different.
I think there has been a shift in that in top level mma last few years.
Seems the strikers than can defend a takedown are the winners many times.
oh and I think Overeem by KO first round.
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I think there has been a shift in that in top level mma last few years.
Seems the strikers than can defend a takedown are the winners many times.
oh and I think Overeem by KO first round.
I dont think Overeem can defend Lesnars takedowns. He's pretty much just a kickboxer.
And I dont think theres been a shift in recent years of strikers beating wrestlers its just that fighters are more well rounded these days. Because it still holds true that a wrestler will almost always beat a striker. Just look at less talented guys like on the TUF and you'll see that the wrestlers still have an advantage over 1 dimensional strikers.
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I dont think Overeem can defend Lesnars takedowns. He's pretty much just a kickboxer.
And I dont think theres been a shift in recent years of strikers beating wrestlers its just that fighters are more well rounded these days. Because it still holds true that a wrestler will almost always beat a striker. Just look at less talented guys like on the TUF and you'll see that the wrestlers still have an advantage over 1 dimensional strikers.
Overeem has good takedown defense. He's not 1 dimesional by any stretch, whereas Brock has been a 1 dimensional fighter. Ever watch Overeems old pride fights? He's not "just a kickboxer"
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Overeem has good takedown defense. He's not 1 dimesional by any stretch, whereas Brock has been a 1 dimensional fighter. Ever watch Overeems old pride fights? He's not "just a kickboxer"
Show me one wrestler that Overeem fought in Pride to prove your point?
Throughout his career he's fought mostly standup fighters or BJJ practicioners. Never has he fought a dominant wrestler like Lesnar.
And in MMA if your going to be one dimensional its best that your a wrestler. Lesnar is going to beat Overeem. No question about it.
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Show me one wrestler that Overeem fought in Pride to prove your point?
Throughout his career he's fought mostly standup fighters or BJJ practicioners. Never has he fought a dominant wrestler like Lesnar.
And in MMA if your going to be one dimensional its best that your a wrestler. Lesnar is going to beat Overeem. No question about it.
Lulz.
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I dont think Overeem can defend Lesnars takedowns. He's pretty much just a kickboxer.
And I dont think theres been a shift in recent years of strikers beating wrestlers its just that fighters are more well rounded these days. Because it still holds true that a wrestler will almost always beat a striker. Just look at less talented guys like on the TUF and you'll see that the wrestlers still have an advantage over 1 dimensional strikers.
not necessarily, it comes down to the skill of the fighters as you can make the argument in favor of a striker or a wrestler either way when you only talk about certain aspects.
alistair himself has too much experience, speed and strength to lose against a fighter like lesnar that is fairly 1 dimensional and just relies on his size for the most part.
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If Brock can channel Miltons striking, then he will win.
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Lulz.
Still waiting for you to show me a world class wrestler that Overeem has beat and defended his takedowns?
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I dont think Overeem can defend Lesnars takedowns. He's pretty much just a kickboxer.
he could defend Verdums takedowns why wouldn't he be able to defend Lesnars..
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If Brock can channel Miltons striking, then he will win.
lmao ;D
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Brock is going to get killed. Overeem is bigger faster and stronger. Lesnar cannot take pressure and then panics and runs. His only chance is to land a heavy punch on Overeem who is not known for his strong chin.
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he could defend Verdums takedowns why wouldn't he be able to defend Lesnars..
LOL. Ok I'm done talking to you. You know nothing about MMA.
Comparing Werdums takedowns to Lesnars is like comparing Mike Tysons boxing to a 12 year old girls.
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Show me one wrestler that Overeem fought in Pride to prove your point?
Throughout his career he's fought mostly standup fighters or BJJ practicioners. Never has he fought a dominant wrestler like Lesnar.
And in MMA if your going to be one dimensional its best that your a wrestler. Lesnar is going to beat Overeem. No question about it.
wow your making me think this might actually be a competitive fight :D
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LOL. Ok I'm done talking to you. You know nothing about MMA.
Comparing Werdums takedowns to Lesnars is like comparing Mike Tysons boxing to a 12 year old girls.
never said I was an expert mouthballz.
but you can't deny the fact that Verdum is considered one of the best bjj experts in the world.
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Still waiting for you to show me a world class wrestler that Overeem has beat and defended his takedowns?
Epic Lulz. Werdum recently, for one. Yes he's bjj, but its clear overeem knows how to stuff takedowns. Not like lesnar has some sort of super-takedown overeem hasn't encounterd before.
Anyway, I'm done arguing. Clear your of the opinion that wrestling = teh win, so whatever.
Doesn't seem to matter to you either that Lesnar has struggled big time with anyone who hits hard, and has a tendancy to freak out and panic on every fight where he gets popped.
No reason to think this is gonna be different.
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wow your making me think this might actually be a competitive fight :D
Most likely it wont be.
Lesnar will get a taste of Overeems standup then he'll bullrush him and take him down.
From there he'll hold him down and safely ground and pound him until he tko's him with one of those big ham bones he calls hands.
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Most likely it wont be.
Lesnar will get a taste of Overeems standup then he'll bullrush him and take him down.
From there he'll hold him down and safely ground and pound him until he tko's him with one of those big ham bones he calls hands.
I agree if Lesnar gets overeem on the ground he will be in trouble. Just don't see it happening fast enough to prevent Ali from getting Brock into panic mode.
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I agree if Lesnar gets overeem on the ground he will be in trouble. Just don't see it happening fast enough to prevent Ali from getting Brock into panic mode.
Im basing my opinion on the assumption that Brock has spent the last year learning not to turn away and curl up into a ball when getting punched.
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Most likely it wont be.
Lesnar will get a taste of Overeems standup then he'll bullrush him and take him down.
From there he'll hold him down and safely ground and pound him until he tko's him with one of those big ham bones he calls hands.
That is possible of course, but not likely. Some people take that phrase 'anything can happen in mma' and just go with the moon with it. Of course Lesnar could take Overeem down and bash his face into the mat but you have to look at the facts and understand the level of competition thats fighting here. Until Lesnar gets him on his back, I dont think Brock has ANYTHING to offer Overeem he hasnt seen before.
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Most likely it wont be.
Lesnar will get a taste of Overeems standup then he'll bullrush him and take him down.
From there he'll hold him down and safely ground and pound him until he tko's him with one of those big ham bones he calls hands.
we will see about that Mouthballz..... we will see..
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That is possible of course, but not likely. Some people take that phrase 'anything can happen in mma' and just go with the moon with it. Of course Lesnar could take Overeem down and bash his face into the mat but you have to look at the facts and understand the level of competition thats fighting here. Until Lesnar gets him on his back, I dont think Brock has ANYTHING to offer Overeem he hasnt seen before.
Overeems last five fights were against. Werdum, Brett Rogers, Todd Dufee, Fujita, and James Thompson.
You act like he's some type of world class fighter when in reality for the past 3 years he's been fighting tomato cans. While Brock has fought Cain, Carwin, Mir, Corture in his last fights. All world class fighters.
Maybe you should rethink your stance.
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I just want to point out that Overeem never hurt Werdum in the clinch and appeared to be headhunting the whole fight, also Werdum was trying to take Overeem down by pulling him, that's why Werdum was laying on his back the whole fight.
Just sayin. :)
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I just want to point out that Overeem never hurt Werdum in the clinch and appeared to be headhunting the whole fight, also Werdum was trying to take Overeem down by pulling him, that's why Werdum was laying on his back the whole fight.
Just sayin. :)
That was one of the worst main event fights ive seen in a LONG time.
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Overeems last five fights were against. Werdum, Brett Rogers, Todd Dufee, Fujita, and James Thompson.
You act like he's some type of world class fighter when in reality for the past 3 years he's been fighting tomato cans. While Brock has fought Cain, Carwin, Mir, Corture in his last fights. All world class fighters.
Maybe you should rethink your stance.
Cain, overhyped to shit.
Carwin, dont even go there
Mir, a top fighter 50% of the time
Couture- ... 50lbs?
Overeem absolutely crushes cans, where I think Brock would lose the half of Overeems opponents you've listed. Look at the technical combat histories of the fighters, not their past opponents. MMath will not figure out who is going to win this.
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Cain, overhyped to shit.
Carwin, dont even go there
Mir, a top fighter 50% of the time
Couture- ... 50lbs?
Overeem absolutely crushes cans, where I think Brock would lose the half of Overeems opponents you've listed. Look at the technical combat histories of the fighters, not their past opponents. MMath will not figure out who is going to win this.
agreed almost 100%
only i don't think Duffee is a can.... he was teh next big thing and suddenly when not fighting for the UFC he is a can??
and Werdum is top 10, not a can.
Glad to see i am not the only one who thinks Carwin is sooooooo overrated. dude has no gas , a 1 round fighter, no standup skills, and no bjj....
Also you guys in the US underestimate the groundskills of Overeem, he is very very skillfull on the ground!
If brock takes it to the ground, Overeem can beat him there as well....Overeems grappling is far better then Brocks.
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agreed almost 100%
only i don't think Duffee is a can.... he was teh next big thing and suddenly when not fighting for the UFC he is a can??
and Werdum is top 10, not a can.
Glad to see i am not the only one who thinks Carwin is sooooooo overrated. dude has no gas , a 1 round fighter, no standup skills, and no bjj....
Also you guys in the US underestimate the groundskills of Overeem, he is very very skillfull on the ground!
If brock takes it to the ground, Overeem can beat him there as well....Overeems grappling is far better then Brocks.
exactly, just because overeems standup is excellent doesn't mean his ground game sucks, it's also very good. And even if overeem beats brock, it isn't some sort of proof that overeem truly is a great champion, he is a great champion regardless, it would be weird if overeem lost.
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We get it OvereemPride1980...you're all upon his nuts. ::)
I think a lot of people are underestimating Brock thinking Overeem is going to walk right through him. His last several fights have looked very lackluster and unaggressive.
Only time will tell children, then one side will be screaming..
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!
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We get it OvereemPride1980...you're all upon his nuts. ::)
I think a lot of people are underestimating Brock thinking Overeem is going to walk right through him. His last several fights have looked very lackluster and unaggressive.
Only time will tell children, then one side will be screaming..
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!
Ah, but ofcourse Brock has been very impressive in his last two fights.
Alistair was doing K1 and MMA. Now he's fully focused on MMA again he'll do better.
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I just want to point out that Overeem never hurt Werdum in the clinch and appeared to be headhunting the whole fight, also Werdum was trying to take Overeem down by pulling him, that's why Werdum was laying on his back the whole fight.
Just sayin. :)
This^^^^^
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Brock is a greenhorn fighting out of his league, Overeem is hailed as some great force, he should be impressive, Brock not so much.
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We get it OvereemPride1980...you're all upon his nuts. ::)
I think a lot of people are underestimating Brock thinking Overeem is going to walk right through him. His last several fights have looked very lackluster and unaggressive.
Only time will tell children, then one side will be screaming..
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!
Why would you bring Overeems nuts into the discussion, you're thinking about them clearly, not me! ::) ::)
never said Overeem was the absolute best, however he is a real fighter, which Brock is not.
Real fighters do not go embrionic when hit.....
and in this day and age, with the ufc heavyweight division being weak as it is, Overeem is one of the best!
And Overeems only fight which looked unagressive was the Werdum fight.
The rest of his fights were almost all quick and heavy KO's.
And in his K1 fights he did not look unagressive, it's a tournament and a fighter has to play it smart and not get hurt.
But a fight is a fight, anything can happen..... i just would be very surprised if Brock will make it out of round 1.
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agreed almost 100%
only i don't think Duffee is a can.... he was teh next big thing and suddenly when not fighting for the UFC he is a can??
and Werdum is top 10, not a can.
Glad to see i am not the only one who thinks Carwin is sooooooo overrated. dude has no gas , a 1 round fighter, no standup skills, and no bjj....
Also you guys in the US underestimate the groundskills of Overeem, he is very very skillfull on the ground!
If brock takes it to the ground, Overeem can beat him there as well....Overeems grappling is far better then Brocks.
I should of added that Werdum is definitely not a can and Duffee is no joke either. Both very tough competition and yeah your not the only one who thinks Carwin is overrated. Guy is NOT a top 10 fighter and i'd be surprised if he made it though most if any of the guys that were just listed.
And Overeem has a sick ground game btw. Watched him nearly pull Vitors head off twice and choke out a healthy Igor Vovchanchyn.
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I should of added that Werdum is definitely not a can and Duffee is no joke either. Both very tough competition and yeah your not the only one who thinks Carwin is overrated. Guy is NOT a top 10 fighter and i'd be surprised if he made it though most if any of the guys that were just listed.
And Overeem has a sick ground game btw. Watched him nearly pull Vitors head off twice and choke out a healthy Igor Vovchanchyn.
yeah, guys here that say Werdum is a can and Duffee a joke... lol...
Those guys are good fighters!
Now Carwin i think IS a can! And lazy, when a fighter has no cardio , that's because he has not been training enough. The only thing that requires no talent is a gastank!
Overeem's groundgame is very good.... ADCC euro champ. All victories were Guillotinechokes lol!
Remember seeing the Vitor fight.... but Overeem only fights cans, so Vitor must also be a can.... ::)
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Carwin is a can.
Dude can hit hard, but has NO gas tank.
IMHO, a fighter with no gas is a can, period.
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Carwin is a can.
Dude can hit hard, but has NO gas tank.
IMHO, a fighter with no gas is a can, period.
me and Bas Rutten agree with you! lol....
Bas Rutten once said he wanted fighters that came in with no gastank to be fined!
i agree... because gas is what you need to work for! it's the hard part of training, the part that hurts the most!
pain from sparring is not the same....
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me and Bas Rutten agree with you! lol....
Bas Rutten once said he wanted fighters that came in with no gastank to be fined!
i agree... because gas is what you need to work for! it's the hard part of training, the part that hurts the most!
pain from sparring is not the same....
I always kinda enjoyed getting hit while sparring. (weird I know)
NEVER enjoyed doing things that worked on cardio.
Lol.
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no... He had a terrible disease and surgury.
Yeah, the disease called lost fire.
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Yeah, the disease called lost fire.
Lots of Lesnar's fire left after he started getting hit hard, he seemed like one of those guys that loved fighting as long as he was dominating, but as soon as it became clear he was gonna have to actually WORK at being the best (not just walk in and own everyone), a lot of his drive went out the window.
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me and Bas Rutten agree with you! lol....
Bas Rutten once said he wanted fighters that came in with no gastank to be fined!
i agree... because gas is what you need to work for! it's the hard part of training, the part that hurts the most!
pain from sparring is not the same....
X2 !! He's a 270lb can. his position in the UFC should be replaced by Bigfoot Silva
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I always kinda enjoyed getting hit while sparring. (weird I know)
NEVER enjoyed doing things that worked on cardio.
Lol.
lol yeah i know... me to! when i start i think well ... here we go.... but then when sparring, you turn a switch, and it does get enjoyable. (not that weird lol!)
ofc we spar at 70% with the big gloves, 50 % with mma gloves, to the head that is.
100 % full force is NOT enjoyable lol!
to the body full force always.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
things that work on cardio , hurt!!! hurts from the inside, your lungs hurt, lactic acid in your muscles.... hurts like hell!
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We get it OvereemPride1980...you're all upon his nuts. ::)
I think a lot of people are underestimating Brock thinking Overeem is going to walk right through him. His last several fights have looked very lackluster and unaggressive.
Only time will tell children, then one side will be screaming..
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!
That would be Swede ;D
He's being all " level headed" now....but if Brock wins you KNOW he's gonna be all" YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS S !!!!!!! BROCK IS THE BADDEST MOFO ON THE PLANET !!!!!!!! " for about three days ;D ;D
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swede is just fooling you all, he has allready pressed the "Team Overeem" tag, he has allready prepared all the best highlight videos and explanations why ubereem is the better fighter and that brock was just a ghost to begin with, but swede only backed up brock because it was topical. People are now seeing that ubereem was the real deal, but swede was voting him this entire time.
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That would be Swede ;D
He's being all " level headed" now....but if Brock wins you KNOW he's gonna be all" YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS S !!!!!!! BROCK IS THE BADDEST MOFO ON THE PLANET !!!!!!!! " for about three days ;D ;D
i remember when Brock lost to Cain... swede wasn't on getbig for like a week, he must have been devastated.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
IF Brock wins, we can be sure he has a whole brock campaign for us.... highlights, gifs... the whole nine yards....
it's a big IF though..... ;)
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and brock doesn't juice.....??? lolol.... ::)
Only someone like you would misconstrue my statement. Of course Brock uses something, but he doesnt use anywhere near what Overeem does, hence why i said elite levels. If Brock was seriously on something he'd look ripped a'la his early WWE days and would be a solid 290 - 300lbs. As it is hes bulky / thick but not exactly cut. Im not looking to get into an argument but dont let your admiration for one fighter, coupled with your disdain for another get in the way of common sense.
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Only someone like you would misconstrue my statement. Of course Brock uses something, but he doesnt use anywhere near what Overeem does, hence why i said elite levels. If Brock was seriously on something he'd look ripped a'la his early WWE days and would be a solid 290 - 300lbs. As it is hes bulky / thick but not exactly cut. Im not looking to get into an argument but dont let your admiration for one fighter, coupled with your disdain for another get in the way of common sense.
Same thing could be said to you, of course Brock is on a ton of shit, to think otherwise is ignorant.
Both fighters are on a ton of shit, so its a mute point.
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i remember when Brock lost to Cain... swede wasn't on getbig for like a week, he must have been devastated.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
IF Brock wins, we can be sure he has a whole brock campaign for us.... highlights, gifs... the whole nine yards....
it's a big IF though..... ;)
Took a break from gb before that I think. Wasn't upset at all cain just made it obvious what he needs to work on.
Im really hoping brock wins and has trained smarter this time. But as I also mentioned brock loses = Overeeem vs Jds which would be amazing. And brock could have a rematch with Carwin. But I won't create a bunch of threads win/lose one will do. So great matchups either way. But ofc Im rooting for a victory.
What I can promise you is "groink" in the 3 days after matchup if lets say brock loses, will talk more aobut brock and myself then I have about brock since 2006 lol. (hes done that already though)
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Took a break from gb before that I think. Wasn't upset at all cain just made it obvious what he needs to work on.
Im really hoping brock wins and has trained smarter this time. But as I also mentioned brock loses = Overeeem vs Jds which would be amazing. And brock could have a rematch with Carwin. But I won't create a bunch of threads win/lose one will do. So great matchups either way. But ofc Im rooting for a victory.
What I can promise you is "groink" in the 3 days after matchup if lets say brock loses, will talk more aobut brock and myself then I have about brock since 2006 lol. (hes done that already though)
;D ;D ;D ;D i was kidding my man....
i just want to see Overeem vs Cigano .. badly... would be a hell of a fight....!
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Chicano would whoop Overeems face uglier than it already is.
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Chicano would whoop Overeems face uglier than it already is.
C/O Wiki ;D
The terms "Chicano" and "Chicana" (female, also spelled "Xicana") are used in reference to U.S. citizens of Mexican descent.
so youre talking about Velasquez as opposed to Dos Santos ;)
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Chicano would whoop Overeems face uglier than it already is.
"Cigano" ;D
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Chicago ???
Chicano ???
Cigaro ???
No matter, he'll still whoop up on everyones hero Overatedeem. 8)
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It apparently means "gysy", which makes you calling him a mexican pretty funny ;D.
Anyway, he got the name when he first showed up and training with the hair he used to have lol.
(http://i.imgur.com/vzHIl.jpg)
doesn't look like a gypsy though
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Chicano would whoop Overeems face uglier than it already is.
agreed.
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X2 !! He's a 270lb can. his position in the UFC should be replaced by Bigfoot Silva
Are you referring to Brock cause we have not seen Brock gas as of yet.
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Are you referring to Brock cause we have not seen Brock gas as of yet.
Carwin. Its one thing to come in out of shape if your a very skilled fighter where you still have a decent chance to score a knockout or sub early, but if your not an elite skilled fighter cardio should be an absolute # 1 priority.
I couldn't see Brock coming in out of shape, lacking the technical skills of his peers he needs all the help he can get. But being out of action for a year could really affect him in this fight.
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Whoever Wins, looks like their will be a few people eating Humble Pie - always makes for a good fight when punters think both fighters are unbeatable!