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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #400 on: April 29, 2016, 01:28:37 PM »
Show us the proof, can't you see this is classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? You retard with an IQ of room temperature!!!

You don't think that a discussion of how the WTC's failed preceded a study of 9/11 of how to help buildings withstand threats?

What kind of stupid are you?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #401 on: April 29, 2016, 01:29:30 PM »
here, ffs get yourselves on here and stop this shite

http://www.debunking911.com

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #402 on: April 29, 2016, 01:37:12 PM »


In the aftermath there have been studies done on the WTC's and what happened that day.  Its also a very common discussion engineering schools at one point or another.

Other than a few thousand mostly crack pot engineers which represent far less than 1% of the of educated people in the world who know BS pseudoscience, and legitimate engineering science, no one has pointed out with peer reviewed assertions based on hard evidence, not flawed logic, or BS rhetoric, that its was a demolition. 
Yes engineers grow on trees in abundance. A few thousand engineers and architects questioning the official 911 story is a big deal. And no they are not crackpots - you're reaching here Ozmo. Maybe you're the crackpot for believing 19 cave dwellers pulled off this 911 stunt?? I've said this before to Ropo and now you Ozmo. You're a tinfoil hat CT'er for believing the official fairy tail. And I would venture that you're probably also either very naive or not very bright if you insist on repeating the official crackpot narrative.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #403 on: April 29, 2016, 01:41:00 PM »
NEWS: Stanford University is part of the conspiracy and 9/11 cover up!

See if you mark the "Sheeple" box on the entry application they immediately accept you!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH AHAH
Why would they be part of the coverup?

If two people conspire to kill 10 people and the killing is pinned on someone else, is everyone including the kitchen sink now in on the coverup?

This is such a lame, overused and tired argument coming from you 911 Official Story CT'ers!

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #404 on: April 29, 2016, 01:42:51 PM »
If there was no plane, what was seen hitting the buildings?
Do you see a plane? I don't. There's enough frames to capture a streaking white object, and it is certainly not an airliner.




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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #405 on: April 29, 2016, 01:47:46 PM »
here, ffs get yourselves on here and stop this shite

http://www.debunking911.com

Forget all the talking points. Please explain how an invisible airliner crashed into the Pentagon. Just this one item alone debunks the official 911 "Fairy Tale".




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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #406 on: April 29, 2016, 01:56:02 PM »
Supposedly the fourth plane, United Airlines Flight 93, initially was steered toward Washington, D.C., but crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, after its passengers tried to overcome the hijackers. Yet in this interview below a witness claimed there was zero plane wreckage! Zero. This is amazing (and impossible)!! And on land mind you, not the ocean.


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #407 on: April 29, 2016, 01:57:27 PM »
The suggestion that someone would need to fly airplanes into two buildings and blow them up is in itself absurd. Could you imagine the meeting?...

Government: We want to cause a tragedy so great the American people will blindly follow us into war... What do you think gentlemen...

Accomplice #1: Well, the Towers are a perfect choice.. It's been bombed before. We can just blame Osama again. We've been priming the American people by having him blow up our warships and our buildings in other countries.

Government: Yeah, good idea! How will we do that?

Accomplice #1: We can hire Osama to get some of his friends to fly planes into it!

Accomplice #2: Wait... I have a better idea, We can BOMB the buildings!

Accomplice #1: Well, that means placing enough bombs into two 110 story buildings. That's going to take a lot of man power and risk us being uncovered...

Accomplice #2: Yeah, but that way, you’re sure to knock them down. Besides, maybe the hijackers won’t make it to the target. Maybe they'll be uncovered!

Accomplice #1:  But you don't need to knock them down, all you need is the horrific sight of the planes hitting the buildings.  People will get the message.  It's an attack on American soil.  We'll also have people like the blind sheik to cover for us.  We'll even put a guy on a train with evidence.

Your plan isn't perfect either, you know.  Do I have to remind you of Operation Towel Pop?  We already tried to embarrass Clinton by knocking it down and failed.

Accomplice #2: Yeah, our Bay of Pigs, but I say the only way they can get the message is if we knock them down.

Accomplice #1:  Do not

Accomplice #2:  Do too

Accomplice #1: Do not

Accomplice #2: Do too

Accomplice #1: Do not

Accomplice #2: Do too

Government: Gentlemen, gentlemen... Please... What the hell, we'll just do both!  :blink: How do we do that? I mean, how do you keep explosions from showing up on TV?  We're going to have to investigate this at some point.  How do we cover up the scene?

Accomplice #2: But why not just knock it dow...

Government: I've made my decision. Continue...

Accomplice #2: OK.. We install charges on every floor so that after the planes hit, we blow each floor under the crash floor one by one, very fast to simulate pancaking. We'll let the building burn a while just for effect. This will also give time for the trusses to sag making it LOOK like a fire caused the building to fall.

Accomplice #1: Nice touch...

Accomplice #2: Why, thank you. :) ...We'll set a charge off in the middle of the building AFTER the top is on its way down so everyone thinks the puffs of debris coming from the windows are from the tremendous hypodermic needle like pressure blowing debris from the weakest point in the building.

Government: What about the sound of explosions? Isn't that a dead giveaway?

Accomplice #2: No problem, We'll just let them think it's normal electrical explosions like transformers blowing up or the initial concrete and steel and floors hitting the floors below.

Accomplice #1: Yeah, it could also be the steel columns snapping like twigs from the tremendous weight of the floors above... Don't worry, we have disinformation specialists in key internet forums.

Government: WOW, You guys think of everything.. What about Building 7? Can we take that out at the same time?

Accomplice #1: We won’t be able to fly planes into it, that's for sure...

Accomplice #2:  Leave it to me. If we set off the explosions just right, we can have one of the towers hit Building 7, missing the two next to it.  After that, we can set fires on the bottom floors and let it burn for a while, you know, to make it look possible for a normal collapse.  I'll call my agent in the fire department to get everyone out before we blow it.  I'll figure a way to make the floors look buckled for effect as well.

Government:  Amazing ... I also want to take out the Pentagon.  Any suggestions?

Accomplice #1: What we'll do is hijack a plane just for effect, then fire a missile at the Pentagon. A bunker buster.

Government: But what about the people on the plane?

Accomplice #1: We'll land the plane in area 51, then shoot them all.

Government:  Why not use the plane instead of the missile?  That way, you take care of all the evidence at the same time... People on the highway can also see the planes hit.  If you use a missile, there's going to be a lot of witnesses who saw a missile and not a plane.

Accomplice #1:  Err... ah, don't worry about these small details.  I have an undercover op in the DC police department who will take the names down and shot them all.

Government:  How are you going to get all the people involved in this? Bush isn't exactly loved you know..

Accomplice #1:  Don't worry, psych-ops will take care of the brainwashing of the American people. As for the media, we control the left and the right!

Government: GREAT! Nice work all! Let’s make the target date Sept 11, 2001.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #408 on: April 29, 2016, 02:00:04 PM »

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #409 on: April 29, 2016, 02:01:18 PM »
The suggestion that someone would need to fly airplanes into two buildings and blow them up is in itself absurd. Could you imagine the meeting?...

Government: We want to cause a tragedy so great the American people will blindly follow us into war... What do you think gentlemen...

Accomplice #1: Well, the Towers are a perfect choice.. It's been bombed before. We can just blame Osama again. We've been priming the American people by having him blow up our warships and our buildings in other countries.

Government: Yeah, good idea! How will we do that?

Accomplice #1: We can hire Osama to get some of his friends to fly planes into it!

Accomplice #2: Wait... I have a better idea, We can BOMB the buildings!

Accomplice #1: Well, that means placing enough bombs into two 110 story buildings. That's going to take a lot of man power and risk us being uncovered...

Accomplice #2: Yeah, but that way, you’re sure to knock them down. Besides, maybe the hijackers won’t make it to the target. Maybe they'll be uncovered!

Accomplice #1:  But you don't need to knock them down, all you need is the horrific sight of the planes hitting the buildings.  People will get the message.  It's an attack on American soil.  We'll also have people like the blind sheik to cover for us.  We'll even put a guy on a train with evidence.

Your plan isn't perfect either, you know.  Do I have to remind you of Operation Towel Pop?  We already tried to embarrass Clinton by knocking it down and failed.

Accomplice #2: Yeah, our Bay of Pigs, but I say the only way they can get the message is if we knock them down.

Accomplice #1:  Do not

Accomplice #2:  Do too

Accomplice #1: Do not

Accomplice #2: Do too

Accomplice #1: Do not

Accomplice #2: Do too

Government: Gentlemen, gentlemen... Please... What the hell, we'll just do both!  :blink: How do we do that? I mean, how do you keep explosions from showing up on TV?  We're going to have to investigate this at some point.  How do we cover up the scene?

Accomplice #2: But why not just knock it dow...

Government: I've made my decision. Continue...

Accomplice #2: OK.. We install charges on every floor so that after the planes hit, we blow each floor under the crash floor one by one, very fast to simulate pancaking. We'll let the building burn a while just for effect. This will also give time for the trusses to sag making it LOOK like a fire caused the building to fall.

Accomplice #1: Nice touch...

Accomplice #2: Why, thank you. :) ...We'll set a charge off in the middle of the building AFTER the top is on its way down so everyone thinks the puffs of debris coming from the windows are from the tremendous hypodermic needle like pressure blowing debris from the weakest point in the building.

Government: What about the sound of explosions? Isn't that a dead giveaway?

Accomplice #2: No problem, We'll just let them think it's normal electrical explosions like transformers blowing up or the initial concrete and steel and floors hitting the floors below.

Accomplice #1: Yeah, it could also be the steel columns snapping like twigs from the tremendous weight of the floors above... Don't worry, we have disinformation specialists in key internet forums.

Government: WOW, You guys think of everything.. What about Building 7? Can we take that out at the same time?

Accomplice #1: We won’t be able to fly planes into it, that's for sure...

Accomplice #2:  Leave it to me. If we set off the explosions just right, we can have one of the towers hit Building 7, missing the two next to it.  After that, we can set fires on the bottom floors and let it burn for a while, you know, to make it look possible for a normal collapse.  I'll call my agent in the fire department to get everyone out before we blow it.  I'll figure a way to make the floors look buckled for effect as well.

Government:  Amazing ... I also want to take out the Pentagon.  Any suggestions?

Accomplice #1: What we'll do is hijack a plane just for effect, then fire a missile at the Pentagon. A bunker buster.

Government: But what about the people on the plane?

Accomplice #1: We'll land the plane in area 51, then shoot them all.

Government:  Why not use the plane instead of the missile?  That way, you take care of all the evidence at the same time... People on the highway can also see the planes hit.  If you use a missile, there's going to be a lot of witnesses who saw a missile and not a plane.

Accomplice #1:  Err... ah, don't worry about these small details.  I have an undercover op in the DC police department who will take the names down and shot them all.

Government:  How are you going to get all the people involved in this? Bush isn't exactly loved you know..

Accomplice #1:  Don't worry, psych-ops will take care of the brainwashing of the American people. As for the media, we control the left and the right!

Government: GREAT! Nice work all! Let’s make the target date Sept 11, 2001.

Yes, this is totally how it went down - not!

Epic guessing and brutal projection / reaching here and not relevant to the invisible plane in the Pentagon explosion footage. Or are you blind?? Forget about imagining how criminals get together and conspire, get your head out of the sand and look with your own eyes.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #410 on: April 29, 2016, 02:05:29 PM »

Have you seen the airplanes or met any of these passengers in person?

There was an Indian guy that flew to Dubai today. I promise he was on the plane. Just trust me ok. Can you confirm if I am telling the truth?

I knew Lee Harvey Oswald. He told me he shot Kennedy. I promise this is the truth. You are just going to have to trust me on this one.  ;D

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #411 on: April 29, 2016, 02:09:14 PM »
Yes engineers grow on trees in abundance. A few thousand engineers and architects questioning the official 911 story is a big deal. And no they are not crackpots - you're reaching here Ozmo. Maybe you're the crackpot for believing 19 cave dwellers pulled off this 911 stunt?? I've said this before to Ropo and now you Ozmo. You're a tinfoil hat CT'er for believing the official fairy tail. And I would venture that you're probably also either very naive or not very bright if you insist on repeating the official crackpot narrative.

A few thousand engineers versus easily 2 million probably in the area of 10 million egineers worldwide makes the few thousand insignificant.  Which means that IF there was something wrong with the 9/11 assessment far more than less than 1% would be questioning it. Which means your few thousand are straight up crack pots.

And 19 cave dwellers didn't pull off this stunt.  So stop the hyperbole, if you had anything legitimate to argue you wouldn't to resport to lame ass labels like "19 cave dwellers"

You turthers are a joke.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #412 on: April 29, 2016, 02:09:51 PM »
Yes, this is totally how it went down - not!

Epic guessing and brutal projection / reaching here and not relevant to the invisible plane in the Pentagon explosion footage. Or are you blind?? Forget about imagining how criminals get together and conspire, get your head out of the sand and look with your own eyes.

The two planes hitting the towers would have done the job as far as creating a reason to go to war, why go to all the trouble of controlled explosions?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #413 on: April 29, 2016, 02:23:56 PM »
Forget all the talking points. Please explain how an invisible airliner crashed into the Pentagon. Just this one item alone debunks the official 911 "Fairy Tale".





If you have to make a "doctored" video to compare to the actual video then it shaows how weak your argument is yet again.

The plane was traveling at 500+ MPH, with that low resolution you are not going to get any clear pic.

Of course for you truffers to believe that it was a missile then you must believe the hideous Evil syndicate that controls the world flew the plane to some deserted island where executed all the passengers and sunk the plane in the pacific ocean where they later put flight 370 right?

And the hundreds, if not thousands needed to pull off the conspiracy of the century have all keep quiet!

You truffers are a joke.


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #414 on: April 29, 2016, 02:25:05 PM »
Sheeple = Truffers

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #415 on: April 29, 2016, 02:27:38 PM »


Nice find

This shows the absurdity, insanity and just plain ignorance of Truffers. 

Basically youtube addicted wanna be expert something or other crack pots in tin foil hats.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #416 on: April 29, 2016, 02:36:47 PM »
If you have to make a "doctored" video to compare to the actual video then it shaows how weak your argument is yet again.

The plane was traveling at 500+ MPH, with that low resolution you are not going to get any clear pic.

Of course for you truffers to believe that it was a missile then you must believe the hideous Evil syndicate that controls the world flew the plane to some deserted island where executed all the passengers and sunk the plane in the pacific ocean where they later put flight 370 right?

And the hundreds, if not thousands needed to pull off the conspiracy of the century have all keep quiet!

You truffers are a joke.


Not to mention the man hours and men required to rig the buildings with explosives and not one person saw them.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #417 on: April 29, 2016, 03:01:23 PM »
A few thousand engineers versus easily 2 million probably in the area of 10 million egineers worldwide makes the few thousand insignificant.  Which means that IF there was something wrong with the 9/11 assessment far more than less than 1% would be questioning it. Which means your few thousand are straight up crack pots.

And 19 cave dwellers didn't pull off this stunt.  So stop the hyperbole, if you had anything legitimate to argue you wouldn't to resport to lame ass labels like "19 cave dwellers"

You turthers are a joke.
How do you know 2 million or even 10 million engineers world wide agree with the official "Fairy Tale"? Many engineers probably disagree but are not coming forward for fear of losing contracts, clients or whatever. Not everyone is going to get involved in opposing this. But you cannot make this claim which you pulled out of your ass.

Keep being a crack pot - you're good at it! You tin foil hat nut!

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #418 on: April 29, 2016, 03:06:15 PM »
The two planes hitting the towers would have done the job as far as creating a reason to go to war, why go to all the trouble of controlled explosions?
How do you know that? Could be they wanted more assurance. Who knows? Trying to guess why they did this or that is irrelevant. That's like trying to figure out why a serial killer decided on killing 8 vs 10 or 20 people. All that matters is looking at the facts and the fact is a plane did not hit the Pentagon. End of story.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #419 on: April 29, 2016, 03:13:24 PM »
If you have to make a "doctored" video to compare to the actual video then it shaows how weak your argument is yet again.

The plane was traveling at 500+ MPH, with that low resolution you are not going to get any clear pic.

Of course for you truffers to believe that it was a missile then you must believe the hideous Evil syndicate that controls the world flew the plane to some deserted island where executed all the passengers and sunk the plane in the pacific ocean where they later put flight 370 right?

And the hundreds, if not thousands needed to pull off the conspiracy of the century have all keep quiet!

You truffers are a joke.

Forget about clear pic. There are enough frames to show a small object streaking in and hitting the Pentagon and the explosion that follows. This small object is clearly visible. It is not large enough to be an airliner and does not have discerning features like wings and a tail. The doctored image is to illustrate what should have been visible in the video frames if an airliner flew into the Pentagon.

You don't know how many people would be required for such a conspiracy. Many could have been involved without knowing. Many could have been silenced or killed. The Taxi driver all but admitted his involvement. How would you Ozmoron know if someone that was involved was killed?? You would not have a fucking clue.

You're a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Take off your tin foil hat and start thinking for yourself.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #420 on: April 29, 2016, 03:17:43 PM »
Not to mention the man hours and men required to rig the buildings with explosives and not one person saw them.
Susan Lindauer, former CIA asset, spoke out in 2001 about Israeli involvement in 9/11, the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center which involved trucks visiting the towers every night between 3am and 5am for around two weeks, and the specific, detailed foreknowledge of the time, target, and means of the 9/11 attacks held by the CIA throughout the months prior to 9/11.

https://thingseverybodyshouldknow.wordpress.com/tag/world-trade-center/

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« Reply #421 on: April 29, 2016, 03:20:56 PM »

And the hundreds, if not thousands needed to pull off the conspiracy of the century have all keep quiet!

https://thingseverybodyshouldknow.wordpress.com/tag/world-trade-center/

Numerous whistleblowers have claimed they have inside information about the cover-up.

Sibel Edmonds, the ex-FBI translator who told us Osama bin Laden worked for the US up until 9/11, has tried repeatedly to divulge information about foreknowledge of 9/11 and other issues, but repeatedly been gagged and censored.

Behrooz Sarshar, a former FBI language specialist, has told how he met Iranian sources who told him specifically that the attacks were going to happen and that the US government already knew.

Steven Pieczenik, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and current consultant to the Department of Defence, says that he’s prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag ‘inside job’.

J. Michael Springmann, official at the US consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, says that he repeatedly refused visas to suspicious and unskilled arabs who hadn’t even filled out their visa forms properly, only to have his rulings overturned by CIA case officers working in the consulate. Eleven of the hijackers got their visas through the Jeddah consulate. Springmann complained about this situation over and over again, but was ignored and eventually fired.

Kurt Sonnenfeld, a photographer for FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency), was the only photographer allowed at ‘ground zero’ during the clean up operation, and saw many things that made him question what really happened – for example relatively undamaged plane parts where the black boxes were apparently destroyed, and underground CIA vaults emptied of documents and evidence before the attacks. He never turned over his footage, and is currently in exile in Argentina while the US tries to extradite him on charges of a murder of which he was previously acquitted.

Robert Wright, an (ex) FBI agent, accuses his bosses and the US Justice Department of deliberately obstructing investigations that would have stopped the 9/11 plot. His colleague Kenneth Williams has a similar story.

Susan Lindauer, former CIA asset, spoke out in 2001 about Israeli involvement in 9/11, the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center which involved trucks visiting the towers every night between 3am and 5am for around two weeks, and the specific, detailed foreknowledge of the time, target, and means of the 9/11 attacks held by the CIA throughout the months prior to 9/11.

Timothy McNiven (also here), a United States Defense Department Intelligence Operative, was part of a military study in 1976 asked to identify security lapses which might enable terrorists to crash airliners into the twin towers. Some of the specifics of the ‘perfect terrorist attack’ they devised were that the terrorists could use boxcutters (plastic-handled craft-type knives), hijack transcontinental Boeings, and slash flight attendants’ throats in order to gain control. The study, which also involved members of the CIA, was performed ostensibly to identify corrective actions which would prevent such a disaster, yet 25 years later none of the proposed actions had been taken, and McNiven describes the attack they devised as “so similar to what happened Sept 11th that if it were song lyrics there would be copyright infringement”.

Dimitri A. Khalezov, a former officer the Soviet nuclear intelligence, officially known as the Special Control Service of the 12th Chief Directorate of the Defense Ministry, says that a certain infamous MOSSAD agent told him that he, personally, had organized the attacks, in which nukes beneath the buildings brought the towers down (this is consistent with the extremely high temperatures and molten metal under the buildings, as well as pits of molten rock which we were told were previously undiscovered glacial formations) and a Granit ‘Shipwrecker’ naval cruise missile, designed to strike aircraft carriers right at the waterline, had been used to strike the Pentagon (consistent with the extremely low entry point, lack of damage to the lawn and foundation, incredible punch out hole, and suspected presence of radioactive material).

Ted Gunderson (also here), former chief of the FBI, insists there’s no way US intelligence can have been in the dark about what was about to happen, and confirms US involvement in various other ‘terrorist’ attacks.

Further information and sources:

https://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20100305_911_whistleblowers.htm

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #422 on: April 29, 2016, 03:50:09 PM »
Granit ‘Shipwrecker’ naval cruise missile, designed to strike aircraft carriers right at the waterline, had been used to strike the Pentagon (consistent with the extremely low entry point, lack of damage to the lawn and foundation, incredible punch out hole, and suspected presence of radioactive material).

Videos to witnesses that saw this missle? I assume this missle would be fired from some kind of ship and travel over land to the Pentagon?
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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #423 on: April 29, 2016, 04:45:25 PM »
Was 23fps a basic security camera for 2001?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #424 on: April 29, 2016, 04:48:15 PM »
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