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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Sherief Shalaby on April 07, 2009, 01:39:06 AM
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20 Albert Beckles
19 Melvin Anthony
18 Thierry Pastel
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Flex Wheeler
12 Robby Robinson
11 Mohamed Benaziza
10 Victor Martinez
9 Michael Francois
8 Samir Bannout
7 Jean-Pierre Fux
6 Jay Cutler
5 Franco Columbu
4 Lee Haney
3 Joel Stubbs
2 Dorian Yates
1 Ronnie Coleman
dorian should have been no. 1,.. his back was the best ever and because of this the rest of him (if we exclude his great calves)always looked weaker than its reality..
ronnie's back can't be the best ever because it was never as hard as rock.. it should have been 2nd..
joel's back is great but not better than haney's or bannout's!!.. of course he didn't deserve to come in 3rd..
jay cutler should not have been in this list!!.. very soft in the rear lat spread pose and not greatly detailed in the rear db..
also why are guys like thierry pastel, oliva, &, martinezin this list!!.. they had good backs but there were a lot of guys with much better backs who were not mentioned.. aron baker for example had a better back than these guys..
fux too should not have been here.. his back was great only in the rear lat spread..
benazia and bannout should have come after dorian, ronnie, &, haney.. anyway they are arabs so no wonder ;)
flex wheeler too should have come in the top 10..
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11 Mohamed Benaziza, this guy should have the number 1 back, he has more muscle than everyone and it is so detailed.
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Half of the list is bulshit. Its "Flex" anyway... ::)
I mean, Melvin? give me a break.
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20 Albert Beckles
19 Melvin Anthony
18 Thierry Pastel
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Flex Wheeler
12 Robby Robinson
11 Mohamed Benaziza
10 Victor Martinez
9 Michael Francois
8 Samir Bannout
7 Jean-Pierre Fux
6 Jay Cutler
5 Franco Columbu
4 Lee Haney
3 Joel Stubbs
2 Dorian Yates
1 Ronnie Coleman
all of those guys had great backs.. lets see your back. I think if you were included on the list.. then it would be stupid :)
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Joel Stubbs should have been no.1 >:(
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Sherief, have you got the FLEX magazine that had the Nasser & JP Fux B&W pictorial circa 1996? Those pics were mind blowing and Fux was bigger than Nasser in them cause he's taller and was a bit heavier around then. If you do, are you able to scan and post them? You know the photoshoot I'm talking about?
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Sherief, have you got the FLEX magazine that had the Nasser & JP Fux B&W pictorial circa 1996? Those pics were mind blowing and Fux was bigger than Nasser in them cause he's taller and was a bit heavier around then. If you do, are you able to scan and post them? You know the photoshoot I'm talking about?
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yes fux was a monester but in my list his shape was not good.. like markus you can't call him "mass with class" like you can call nasser or dorian..
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That's the one! You got any more pics from that series? Their lat spread shots were incredible. Cheers for that pic.
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Fux was a monter once.....
I heard he didn't believe in light squats.
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That's the one! You got any more pics from that series? Their lat spread shots were incredible. Cheers for that pic.
no my friend but i will try to find some on the net.. if so i will post them for you..
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Fux was a monter once.....
I heard he didn't believe in light squats.
He didn't believe in safety bars and squat racks either....... :-\
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He didn't believe in safety bars and squat racks either....... :-\
The guy liked to go really DEEP.....no doubt about it. :-\
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The guy liked to go really DEEP.....no doubt about it. :-\
GOTTA GET DEEP!!
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That's the one! You got any more pics from that series? Their lat spread shots were incredible. Cheers for that pic.
his back.. did look good from the front. its when he turned around.. that things went to shit.
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no my friend but i will try to find some on the net.. if so i will post them for you..
Cool thanks. I don't think they have been posted on the net, although I haven't really looked. And I think Fux looked great back then - he could have been Mr Olympia and taken things up a notch just like Dorian did in 93. But he got too big too fast after winning the World Amateur championships around 94 and the resulting gut totally threw off his looks. Plus, he never really nailed his conditioning, which is why he placed so low.
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his back.. did look good from the front. its when he turned around.. that things went to shit.
I think you have him confused for someone else. His back wasn't on par with Dorian's (then again, who's was?), but it wasn't bad at all - it was actually bigger and better than anyone else's circa 1996, including Flex W, Mike Francois and Aaron Baker. Bear in mind that the guy was a monster who competed around 280 lb on a 6' frame.
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Cool thanks. I don't think they have been posted in the net, although I haven't really looked. And I think Fux looked great back then - he could have been Mr Olympia and taken things up a notch just like Dorian did in 93. But he got too big too fast after winning the World Amateur championships around 94 and the resulting gut totally threw off his looks. Plus, he never really nailed his conditioning, which is why he placed so low.
hey i have found another one but if i see right nasser dwarfs fux clearly!! ;)
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I think you have him confused for someone else. His back wasn't on par with Dorian's (then again, who's was?), but it wasn't bad at all - it was actually bigger and better than anyone else's circa 1996, including Flex W, Mike Francois and Aaron Baker.
yes i did have him confused.. i thought you were talking about nasser in your post I quoted - disregard.
fux had an awesome back for sure.
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hey i have found another one but if i see right nasser dwarfs fux clearly!! ;)
LOL!
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I think you have him confused for someone else. His back wasn't on par with Dorian's (then again, who's was?), but it wasn't bad at all - it was actually bigger and better than anyone else's circa 1996, including Flex W, Mike Francois and Aaron Baker. Bear in mind that the guy was a monster who competed around 280 lb on a 6' frame.
i know his back well and i saw all these pics before.. no one can argue about its size but i personally dont like its shape.. may be i am wrong and he deserves to be in the list but no way to be no. 7 if we talk about the best ever!!..
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Fux's back was good but no way you can put him above Bannout. Robinson is also incredibly low on that list. Shit! There wasn't that much of a difference between him and Columbu. Actually, Robinson's back was more complete, only his lat spread was weaker. Samething for Ronnie vs Dorian. Dorian has a more complete back whereas Ronnie was wider but that's it.
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Fux's back was good but no way you can put him above Bannout. Robinson is also incredibly low on that list. Shit! There wasn't that much of a difference between him and Columbu. Actually, Robinson's back was more complete, only his lat spread was weaker. Samething for Ronnie vs Dorian. Dorian has a more complete back whereas Ronnie was wider but that's it.
agree with you.. also benaziza and wheeler should have taken better places..
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thick!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=313421;image)
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that back in on par with anyone development wise. could have had a few more striations compared to someone like yates... but mass wise he can hang with anyone.
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agree with you.. also benaziza and wheeler should have taken better places..
Benazziza was a monster, no doubt. Wheeler had an amazing back in '93 specially. he never showed up as detailed later on.
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Benazziza was a monster, no doubt. Wheeler had an amazing back in '93 specially. he never showed up as detailed later on.
yes i remember flex once said in an interview with shawn ray (actually flex was interviewing shawn) that he had a kidney problem after 1993 but he didnt know about it.. according to him this was not helping him to lean so he couldn't repeat the shape of 93 although he was doing his best.. i dont know if this can be right..
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yes i remember flex once said in an interview with shawn ray (actually flex was interviewing shawn) that he had a kidney problem after 1993 but he didnt know about it.. according to him this was not helping him to lean so he couldn't repeat the shape of 93 although he was doing his best.. i dont know if this can be right..
I tend to think that anything Flew says is BS right now. Too many ninjas' story coupled with myostatin defetc and 0% BF has brought down my fait in Flex's words.
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Ronnie has the best back ever, you are right Flex 8)
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anyone notice that all of these guys where "Weider/flex atheles"? ::)
that explains the "list"
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yes fux was a monester but in my list his shape was not good.. like markus you can't call him "mass with class" like you can call nasser or dorian..
this pic. shows you the difference between "mass with class" nasser and "just mass" fux..
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If this is from FLEX, they need to get their act together. That's not solely Franco Columbu as number 5. It's Arnold Schwarzenegger too doing the back-double bicep.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=313398;image)
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What about Johnnie Jackson? ::)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=313421;image)
that back in on par with anyone development wise. could have had a few more striations compared to someone like yates... but mass wise he can hang with anyone.
thats a fuccking freaky back
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Fux was a monter once.....
I heard he didn't believe in light squats.
......... Until one day.. :(
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If this is from FLEX, they need to get their act together. That's not solely Franco Columbu as number 5. It's Arnold Schwarzenegger too doing the back-double bicep.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=313398;image)
the list had been made by flex but i was the one who composed these pics.. I got this pic. from a franco colombo gallery.. may be it was a mistake if you are sure..
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Columbu is overrated. Sure, he had a gigantic rear lat spread. But that's about it. i don't think the picture on the left is him. It would be the first time I would see that much detail in his back. And his back was thicker than that I believe. Maybe it was a good night for him though.
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the list had been made by flex but i was the one who composed these pics.. I got this pic. from a franco colombo gallery.. may be it was a mistake if you are sure..
Gotcha. I thought FLEX threw in the Schwarzenegger back shot.
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Columbu is overrated. Sure, he had a gigantic rear lat spread. But that's about it. i don't think the picture on the left is him. It would be the first time I would see that much detail in his back. And his back was thicker than that I believe.
It's not. It's Arnold Schwarzenegger. 8)
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It's not. It's Arnold Schwarzenegger. 8)
yes you are right.. sorry guys.. i have just amended it.. plz check again the actual post :)
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Columbu is overrated. Sure, he had a gigantic rear lat spread. But that's about it. i don't think the picture on the left is him. It would be the first time I would see that much detail in his back. And his back was thicker than that I believe. Maybe it was a good night for him though.
i am not sure if columbo was overrated in general or not because i dont know a lot about his era (before lee haney's era) but i am sure he didnt deserve to win in 1981.. dany padila who placed 5th was the best guy on stage in my opinion!!..
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I'mfar from being an Arnold guy but I think his back was actually better overall than Columbu's. I would have placed neither of them in the top 20 list though. Robby Robinson is the guy who changed the standards for back development. Then came Bannout and Haney immediately after. I don't see anyone from the Golden Era who can compete in that departement with modern Bbers.
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i am not sure if columbo was overrated in general or not because i dont know a lot about his era (before lee haney's era) but i am sure he didnt deserve to win in 1981.. dany padila who placed 5th was the best guy on stage in my opinion!!..
Same in '76. he didn't really deserve to win either. But the '81 O was a joke. Bad gyno, poor symmetry (specially legs) and you had three guys in great shape up there: Padilla, Platz and Callendar. But it's the 'O, remember.
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Same in '7. he didn't really deserve to win either. But the '81 O was a joke. Bad gyno, poor symmetry (specially legs) and you had three guys in great shape up there: Padilla, Platz and Callendar. But it's the 'O, remember.
man i have just made a new separate thread about this.. plz check it..
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art atwoods back is fuking thick and great detail and massive.
mike francois got the most complete back
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20 Albert Beckles
19 Melvin Anthony
18 Thierry Pastel
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Flex Wheeler
12 Robby Robinson
11 Mohamed Benaziza
10 Victor Martinez
9 Michael Francois
8 Samir Bannout
7 Jean-Pierre Fux
6 Jay Cutler
5 Franco Columbu
4 Lee Haney
3 Joel Stubbs
2 Dorian Yates
1 Ronnie Coleman
dorian should have been no. 1,.. his back was the best ever and because of this the rest of him (if we exclude his great calves)always looked weaker than its reality..
ronnie's back can't be the best ever because it was never as hard as rock.. it should have been 2nd..
joel's back is great but not better than haney's or bannout's!!.. of course he didn't deserve to come in 3rd..
jay cutler should not have been in this list!!.. very soft in the rear lat spread pose and not greatly detailed in the rear db..
also why are guys like thierry pastel, oliva, &, martinezin this list!!.. they had good backs but there were a lot of guys with much better backs who were not mentioned.. aron baker for example had a better back than these guys..
fux too should not have been here.. his back was great only in the rear lat spread..
benazia and bannout should have come after dorian, ronnie, &, haney.. anyway they are arabs so no wonder ;)
flex wheeler too should have come in the top 10..
I pretty much entirely agree, apart from the Fux comment in the rear double bi, because Dorian didn't look so great in the rear double bi either, yet you would have him first. I think looking good in both is rare, as Flex demonstrates with his non-existent lat spread and amazing rear double bi. I'm not saying Ronnie's back is categorically better than Dorian's but he was phenominal in both poses whereas Dorian's back in the rear double bi was relatively narrow considering how it looked unfolded in the lat spread, and not 3D like Ronnie or Flex who had a million grapes and oranges hidden under their skin. I think Fux had a great back, otherwise people wouldn't mistake it for Dorian in that famous lat spread pic people always confuse themselves with.
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20 Albert Beckles
19 Melvin Anthony
18 Thierry Pastel
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Flex Wheeler
12 Robby Robinson
11 Mohamed Benaziza
10 Victor Martinez
9 Michael Francois
8 Samir Bannout
7 Jean-Pierre Fux
6 Jay Cutler
5 Franco Columbu
4 Lee Haney
3 Joel Stubbs
2 Dorian Yates
1 Ronnie Coleman
dorian should have been no. 1,.. his back was the best ever and because of this the rest of him (if we exclude his great calves)always looked weaker than its reality..
ronnie's back can't be the best ever because it was never as hard as rock.. it should have been 2nd..
joel's back is great but not better than haney's or bannout's!!.. of course he didn't deserve to come in 3rd..
jay cutler should not have been in this list!!.. very soft in the rear lat spread pose and not greatly detailed in the rear db..
also why are guys like thierry pastel, oliva, &, martinezin this list!!.. they had good backs but there were a lot of guys with much better backs who were not mentioned.. aron baker for example had a better back than these guys..
fux too should not have been here.. his back was great only in the rear lat spread..
benazia and bannout should have come after dorian, ronnie, &, haney.. anyway they are arabs so no wonder ;)
flex wheeler too should have come in the top 10..
A bodybuilding list that Arnold isn't on?LoL you cant take this list seriously then.
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A bodybuilding list that Arnold isn't on?LoL you cant take this list seriously then.
You've gotta admit, Arnold was really all about the chest and arms.
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You've gotta admit, Arnold was really all about the chest and arms.
He had a good back though by the standards of his time. But as i said before, after RR, criterias were just not the same anymore.
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Sergio placing at #16 is a complete joke. Sergio had the best taper of all time, with mass too. God I hate fl*x magazine.
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He had a good back though by the standards of his time.
Arnold had a great back. I'm not taking that away. But the chest and arms were his trademark.
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arnolds back was like that of peter putnam, except peter gots a bit more width. ;D
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Arnold had a great back. I'm not taking that away. But the chest and arms biceps were his trademark.
fixed :)
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fixed :)
Well, if you wanna get technical then yes, his biceps. ;D
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arnolds back was like that of peter putnam, except peter gots a bit more width. ;D
you were saying?
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you were saying?
thanks for proving my joke t be true
ligthing aside, very small back by todays IFBB standards
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thanks for proving my joke t be true
ligthing aside, very small back by todays IFBB standards
but it was the best from the 60s-80s, I think that's not too shabby.
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I pretty much entirely agree, apart from the Fux comment in the rear double bi, because Dorian didn't look so great in the rear double bi either, yet you would have him first. I think looking good in both is rare, as Flex demonstrates with his non-existent lat spread and amazing rear double bi. I'm not saying Ronnie's back is categorically better than Dorian's but he was phenominal in both poses whereas Dorian's back in the rear double bi was relatively narrow considering how it looked unfolded in the lat spread, and not 3D like Ronnie or Flex who had a million grapes and oranges hidden under their skin. I think Fux had a great back, otherwise people wouldn't mistake it for Dorian in that famous lat spread pic people always confuse themselves with.
i dont know but I really think at his best dorian’s rear db looked great!!.. I have the mr. o.lympia 93 and 95 videos and his back was wide, thick, huge, symmetrical, and above all good looking..
As for fux his back was wider than Yates and very thick and huge but it didn’t look symmetrical.. may be because he was always off with his condition.. also his arms were big but blocky which was taking a lot from this pose (RDB)..
as for other guys who were good in both the back poses you have samir bannout, francois, benaziza and more..
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Half of the list is bulshit. Its "Flex" anyway... ::)
I mean, Melvin? give me a break.
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.
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hey i have found another one but if i see right nasser dwarfs fux clearly!! ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=313424;image)
That's not Lee Fux.
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Fux was a monter once.....
I heard he didn't believe in light squats.
lol......really? well, after both of his knees crumbled under that 600+lbs squat years ago, I bet he's now believe in light squatting these days ;D
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That's not Lee Fux.
hahahahhahahahaha....... ...
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That's not Lee Fux.
actually this is jean priest ;D
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What the hell is Jay Cutler doing in there, he may be wide, but his back has never been defined, he holds heaps of water in his back and has about 30 skin folds, more than likely from dropping too much weight too quick. Jay Cutler is soooo Over Rated
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What the hell is Jay Cutler doing in there, h may be wide, but his back has never been defined, he holds heaps of water in his back and has about 30 skin folds, more than likely from dropping too much weight too quick. Jay Cutler is soooo Over Rated
Maybe he is more marketable?
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Maybe he is more marketable?
Marketable, Jay has the personality of Oatmeal, he is expresionless, monotonous and boring. Ronnie has way more personality, even Dorian, as dull as he was had more personality. Shawn Ray had tons more. Only in America could a man be considered marketable, just because he is white.
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yes jay and specially his back was very overrated!!.. nasser's back at its best (his lighter version) beats jay's back at his best (mr. o. 2001)!!!.. and as we all know nasser's back was his weakest (and only weak) part ;D.. so how come to give jay 6th in the list of the best backs ever!!!..
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Marketable, Jay has the personality of Oatmeal, he is expresionless, monotonous and boring. Ronnie has way more personality, even Dorian, as dull as he was had more personality. Shawn Ray had tons more. Only in America could a man be considered marketable, just because he is white.
Do the people who read a muscle mag and see that those beautiful aryan features in combination with soft, big bulging muscles see a personality?
No, they see what they want to LOOK like... if its in conjunction with muscletech... they buy muscletech.
Whether you want to admit or not Jay Cutler brings the whole package to the table when it comes to vanity. Who is out there buying mags and enough disposable cash to buy the supplements? The black kids or the white kids?
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20 Tom Platz (1981)
19 Mike Quinn
18 Robby Robinson
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Aaron Baker
12 Flex Wheeler
11 Albert Beckles
10 Jay Cutler
9 Franco Columbu
8 Jean-Pierre Fux
7 Michael Francois
6 Samir Bannout
5 Mohamed Benaziza
4 Joel Stubbs
3 Lee Haney
2 Ronnie Coleman
1 Dorian Yates
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20 Tom Platz (1981)
19 Mike Quinn
18 Robby Robinson
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Aaron Baker
12 Flex Wheeler
11 Albert Beckles
10 Jay Cutler
9 Franco Columbu
8 Jean-Pierre Fux
7 Michael Francois
6 Samir Bannout
5 Mohamed Benaziza
4 Joel Stubbs
3 Lee Haney
2 Ronnie Coleman
1 Dorian Yates
great job figo, much better list than the stupid one of flex.. but dont you think aron baker too should have a place here!!.. i am not sure but i always feel his back was great (check below).. good choice to include mike quin who really had a thick detailed back at his best.. still i believe flex wheeler should take a better place and fux a take a lower one!!.. also joel should come after samir and benaziza..
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great job figo, much better list than the stupid one of flex.. but dont you think aron baker too should have a place here!!.. i am not sure but i always feel his back was great (check below).. good choice to include mike quin who really had a thick detailed back at his best.. still i believe flex wheeler should take a better place and fux a take a lower one!!.. also joel should come after samir and benaziza..
Aaron is on at 13th, Flex had a great back in 93, could never duplicate it, Fux had detail and mass beyond belief. Samir and Momo had amazing backs, but to me Stubbs back-wise, is quite something.
This is all very subjective, just like some will say Yates should be 2nd to Ronnie, but we all agree these guys had great backs, Im sure.
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20 Tom Platz (1981)
19 Mike Quinn
18 Robby Robinson
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Aaron Baker
12 Flex Wheeler
11 Albert Beckles
10 Jay Cutler
9 Franco Columbu
8 Jean-Pierre Fux
7 Michael Francois
6 Samir Bannout
5 Mohamed Benaziza
4 Joel Stubbs
3 Lee Haney
2 Ronnie Coleman
1 Dorian Yates
Baker's in his list at N°13. I also think RR should have placed higher but your list suits me except Cutler's presence which I don't get. Flex in '93 had a back Jay never had, detail and shape wise at least. Columbu 's still to high. Swope his number with RR's and I'm perfect.
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Aaron is on at 13th, Flex had a great back in 93, could never duplicate it, Fux had detail and mass beyond belief. Samir and Momo had amazing backs, but to me Stubbs back-wise, is quite something.
This is all very subjective, just like some will say Yates should be 2nd to Ronnie, but we all agree these guys had great backs, Im sure.
oh ya i didnt notice aron sorry :).. yes i am talking about flex at his best (1993).. i belive this list must consider each one only at his best so we can deal with the version of wheeler in 93 even if he couldnt repeat it..
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RZA, Sherief, you make valid points, after all Samir didnt replicate 83, and Ive got him high. Cutlers back is very impressive, but it just doesnt appeal.Robby did have great detail, but Franco had wings.
Revised:
20 Tom Platz (1981)
19 Mike Quinn
18 Jay Cutler
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Aaron Baker
12 Franco Columbu
11 Albert Beckles
10 Robby Robinson
9 Flex Wheeler
8 Jean-Pierre Fux
7 Michael Francois
6 Samir Bannout
5 Mohamed Benaziza
4 Joel Stubbs
3 Lee Haney
2 Ronnie Coleman
1 Dorian Yates
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Great list.
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Baker's in his list at N°13. I also think RR should have placed higher but your list suits me except Cutler's presence which I don't get. Flex in '93 had a back Jay never had, detail and shape wise at least. Columbu 's still to high. Swope his number with RR's and I'm perfect.
yes jay must be kicked away from this list >:(
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RZA, Sherief, you make valid points, after all Samir didnt replicate 83, and Ive got him high. Cutlers back is very impressive, but it just doesnt appeal.Robby did have great detail, but Franco had wings.
Revised:
20 Tom Platz (1981)
19 Mike Quinn
18 Jay Cutler
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Aaron Baker
12 Franco Columbu
11 Albert Beckles
10 Robby Robinson
9 Flex Wheeler
8 Jean-Pierre Fux
7 Michael Francois
6 Samir Bannout
5 Mohamed Benaziza
4 Joel Stubbs
3 Lee Haney
2 Ronnie Coleman
1 Dorian Yates
ok thx for amending it.. can you add nasser now to get the final thing?? ;D
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Damn, I forgot how thick Mike Francois back was. Definitely one of the hardest workers in his time. All Deadlifts.
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Sure, there you go: He's right on the top, too.
98 Nasser El Sonbaty
20 Tom Platz (1981)
19 Mike Quinn
18 Jay Cutler
17 Tony Pearson
16 Sergio Oliva
15 Orville Burke
14 Art Atwood
13 Aaron Baker
12 Franco Columbu
11 Albert Beckles
10 Robby Robinson
9 Flex Wheeler
8 Jean-Pierre Fux
7 Michael Francois
6 Samir Bannout
5 Mohamed Benaziza
4 Joel Stubbs
3 Lee Haney
2 Ronnie Coleman
1 Dorian Yates
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Where are Pete Putman and Aaron Maddron?
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Where are Pete Putman and Aaron Maddron?
With Mattarazzo & Strydom.
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Where are Pete Putman and Aaron Maddron?
Having a pillow fight in the Weider offices over the 1,938,485th place
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I agree
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Cool thanks. I don't think they have been posted on the net, although I haven't really looked. And I think Fux looked great back then - he could have been Mr Olympia
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??? ::)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=45277&g2_serialNumber=4&g2_GALLERYSID=e072f3025ac7fcbdad7373a4b75700fc)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=34447&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=e072f3025ac7fcbdad7373a4b75700fc)
lol.. fux was BIG just big but his shape was not good.. just like markus ruhl..
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??? ::)
So? You found some bad pics of the guy and I'm not saying he'd have won the title in the shape he was in back then - just that he COULD have won if he'd stayed on track. The guy had great shape, tons of mass and no weak bodyparts around 94 when he won the World Amateur Championship HW and overall. But he became too big too fast and developed a gut that threw his looks off completely.
BTW, even people like Peter McGough had the same opinion that he could one day win the title if he worked on his conditioning and improved a tad. Besides, Jay became Mr Olympia and Fux at his best IMO was better than Jay overall, with better shape.
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So? You found some bad pics of the guy and I'm not saying he'd have won the title in the shape he was in back then - just that he COULD have won if he'd stayed on track. The guy had great shape, tons of mass and no weak bodyparts around 94 when he won the World Amateur Championship HW and overall. But he became too big too fast and developed a gut that threw his looks off completely.
BTW, even people like Peter McGough had the same opinion that he could one day win the title if he worked on his conditioning and improved a tad. Besides, Jay became Mr Olympia and Fux at his best IMO was better than Jay overall, with better shape.
what was his best show??.. mr. O. 97??..
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what was his best show??.. mr. O. 97??..
He looked OK in the 96 Mr O, 97 Mr O and the 98 AC, although even then his gut was pretty bad. I don't have any pics of him from the 96 AC or when he won the World Amateur championship, which was when he looked his best.
Here's a really gay clip from the BFTO series (96) in which he does pussy weights and his gut was already getting out of control, but you can still see how freaky he looks - this is a big guy even by Nasser / Dorian standards - he was on par with them size wise, although nowhere near when it came to conditioning or overall look
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He looked OK in the 96 Mr O, 97 Mr O and the 98 AC, although even then his gut was pretty bad. I don't have any pics of him from the 96 AC or when he won the World Amateur championship, which was when he looked his best.
Here's a really gay clip from the BFTO series (96) in which he does pussy weights and his gut was already getting out of control, but you can still see how freaky he looks - this is a big guy even by Nasser / Dorian standards - he was on par with them size wise, although nowhere near when it came to conditioning or overall look
but i have the flex issue with the ac 98 report and they said his 4th place was a gift!!.. in my opinion he was something interesting to see and say "wow" but didn't have what it needs to be a top finisher at the olympia.. as you said if he "could" match his condition with his crazy size he was going to place himself differently but it's just "IF"!!!
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Melvin Anthony as the 19th best back in history?! Better than Padilla? Better than Arnold Schwarzenegger's? Really? That whole list is way off. Samir's back deserves to be higher on that list.
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aron baker was not included in the list but pastel was included!!.. no comment!!..
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Hhahaha does it say "ASS" right next to him??
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=313790;image)
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dorian should have been no. 1,.. his back was the best ever and because of this the rest of him (if we exclude his great calves)always looked weaker than its reality..
ronnie's back can't be the best ever because it was never as hard as rock.. it should have been 2nd..
no, they got it right on. deal with it nuthuggers.
dorian's back was paper thin in the rear double bi pose compared to Ronnie and his thick waist and shitty arms hurt him. ronnie's rear lat spread taper was far superior.
Ronnie's back was better.
dorian could not touch this:
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no, they got it right on. deal with it nuthuggers.
dorian's back was paper thin in the rear double bi pose compared to Ronnie and his thick waist and shitty arms hurt him. ronnie's rear lat spread taper was far superior.
Ronnie's back was better.
dorian could not touch this:
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
owned by Ronnie again ;)
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Hhahaha does it say "ASS" right next to him??
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=313790;image)
It's a scan from a Musclemag article and the word is actually Mass. But then again, you're probably just trying to make a joke out of men in thongs >:(
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you're probably just trying to make a joke out of men in thongs >:(
No way, josé.
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DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
owned by Ronnie again ;)
who cares what ronnie said.
what he said has nothing to do with harsh reality:
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who cares what ronnie said.
what he said has nothing to do with harsh reality:
I'll give you this at least you posted a good pic of Yates this time and the ' harsh reality ' is Dorian is 269 pounds in that pic and destroys Ronnie at 247 pounds in ALL aspects of back from thickness to density to detail and width ...you pick a very bad comparison lol
brutal selfownage on a grand scale ;)
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who cares what ronnie said.
what he said has nothing to do with harsh reality:
LOL Dorian actually looks bigger there.
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LOL Dorian actually looks bigger there.
thats because he is -269 pounds. its an offseason shot. as always, bigger is not necessarily better.
but as we all know, dorian looked 10x better in the offseason black and whites than he EVER did onstage.
I am putting the best dorian ever presented against Ronnie and he still loses.
it would have been even worse with dorian's inferior contest presentation..
thats how much better ronnie was.
and why he was correctly placed first.
dorian nuthuggers on suicide watch.
I bet they are furiously emailing flex and demanding a change to the list and a reprint be done LOL ::)
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the only way dorian is going to come out on top is if Flex posts a 20 best ever calves list.. lol
otherwise, its Ronnie as always hahahaha
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thats because he is -269 pounds. its an offseason shot. as always, bigger is not necessarily better.
but as we all know, dorian looked 10x better in the offseason black and whites than he EVER did onstage.
I am putting the best dorian ever presented against Ronnie and he still loses.
it would have been even worse with dorian's inferior contest presentation..
thats how much better ronnie was.
and why he was correctly placed first.
dorian nuthuggers on suicide watch.
I bet they are furiously emailing flex and demanding a change to the list and a reprint be done LOL ::)
Dorian at 269 pounds destroys Ronnie at 247 pounds in EVERY aspect of back there is NO contest
you posted a pic of Ronnie 1999 and Dorian was voted having the best back of the 20th Century by who? you guessed it Flex magazine lol so either way you're owned
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the only way dorian is going to come out on top is if Flex posts a 20 best ever calves list.. lol
otherwise, its Ronnie as always hahahaha
In fact that article it says that many feel Dorian has the best back even today lol owned again
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Something tells me the only chocolate suprise Hulkster wanted to go hunting for this morning was Ronnie's ripped glutes.
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thats because he is -269 pounds. its an offseason shot. as always, bigger is not necessarily better.
but as we all know, dorian looked 10x better in the offseason black and whites than he EVER did onstage.
I am putting the best dorian ever presented against Ronnie and he still loses.
it would have been even worse with dorian's inferior contest presentation..
thats how much better ronnie was.
and why he was correctly placed first.
dorian nuthuggers on suicide watch.
I bet they are furiously emailing flex and demanding a change to the list and a reprint be done LOL ::)
check this link and you are the judge..
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=251821.0
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Something tells me the only chocolate suprise Hulkster wanted to go hunting for this morning was Ronnie's ripped glutes.
lmao
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anyone notice that all of these guys where "Weider/flex atheles"? ::)
that explains the "list"
And?
You're going to tell everyone that Ronnie and Dorian don't deserve to be on that list?
Besides, Coleman works for BSN; Haney spent his last two years with Twinlab and MD.
On top of it all, there are three former WBF guys on the list.
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BEST EVAA!!!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman13.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman155.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman124.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003MrOlympia-RonnieandJay9a.jpg)
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is that dorian standing beside Ronnie?
hahahahha
dorian would look just as pitiful standing next to that.
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note the paper thin quality of dorian's back in comparison to the thickness that characterised Ronnie's best ever back..
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is that dorian standing beside Ronnie?
No this is ;) owned
these fantasy ' comparisons ' are almost as bad as all of the sharpened pics you've been posting lol
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No this is owned
same contest, idiot. What makes more sense? Ronnie isn't done flaring out his lats in your pic or he can magically make his lats grow and shrink? ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/ronswidertw2.jpg)
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same contest, idiot. What makes more sense? Ronnie isn't done flaring out his lats in your pic or he can magically make his lats grow and shrink? ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/ronswidertw2.jpg)
Ha ha ha my puppy needs daddies attention ;) sit boy , sit
What makes sense is Dorian's back destroys Ronnie in that comparison that's reality and lets entertain Ronnie's back is just as wide as Dorians in 1996 , SO? Dorian rapes him in terms of density , detail , depth , development , thickness , as usual you have nothing to offer just trolling as usual
have fun waiting for me Easter dinner awaits
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sorry dorian.
this is why you lost: a famous shot from 98
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Ha ha ha my puppy needs daddies attention sit boy , sit
riiiight, so it's okay for you to make dumbass comments but if I correct you then I'm the one with a problem? ::)
What makes sense is Dorian's back destroys Ronnie in that comparison that's reality and lets entertain Ronnie's back is just as wide as Dorians in 1996 , SO? Dorian rapes him in terms of density , detail , depth , development , thickness , as usual you have nothing to offer just trolling as usual
destroys? No. Beat? Yes. Spare me your "let's entertain Ronnie's back is just as wide" nonsense. The pic I posted clearly shows they were the same width in 96. I don't really care about the rest since it makes about as much sense as comparing 03 Ronnie to Dorian in 91.
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Im a Priest fan, especially those days, he was a real freak, but he looks really out of place here...
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riiiight, so it's okay for you to make dumbass comments but if I correct you then I'm the one with a problem? ::)
destroys? No. Beat? Yes. Spare me your "let's entertain Ronnie's back is just as wide" nonsense. The pic I posted clearly shows they were the same width in 96. I don't really care about the rest since it makes about as much sense as comparing 03 Ronnie to Dorian in 91.
riiiight, so it's okay for you to make dumbass comments but if I correct you then I'm the one with a problem? ::)
dumbass comments? I wasn't even talking to you so when YOU feel compelled to respond to ME without provocation then yes , it's you with the problem , and that problem is you're trying to hard to prove me wrong a feat which you have yet been able to accomplish , you would have to know what you're talking about in order in the game and I long established you don't know very much about competitive bodybuilding
destroys? No. Beat? Yes. Spare me your "let's entertain Ronnie's back is just as wide" nonsense. The pic I posted clearly shows they were the same width in 96. I don't really care about the rest since it makes about as much sense as comparing 03 Ronnie to Dorian in 91.
NO Dorian destroys Ronnie in that picture there is NO comparison the fact that you merely believe he's just winning further highlights your ignorance , and NO they aren't the same width regardless of what you claim , Ronnie his closer to the right and Dorian further off to the left and Ronnie has the advantage of have a smaller waist & hips which helps with the ILLUSION of being just as wider or wider which still means nothing , it's not an advantage . so either way you're fucked
keep trying to even the score Neo it's all you have left , keep playing follow my leader ;D
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sorry dorian.
this is why you lost: a famous shot from 98
the famous sharpened pic from 1998 lol what a sucker , and hello moron Flex magazine said Dorian had the best back of the 20th Century which includes 1998 & 1999
owned again ;)
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dumbass comments? I wasn't even talking to you so when YOU feel compelled to respond to ME without provocation then yes , it's you with the problem , and that problem is you're trying to hard to prove me wrong a feat which you have yet been able to accomplish , you would have to know what you're talking about in order in the game and I long established you don't know very much about competitive bodybuilding
what does talking to me have to do with anything? You posted a pic of a prime Dorian fully flexing next to a pre-Mr. Olympia Ronnie in mid-pose with the self-proclaimed caption "owned." Did you honestly expect to post whatever bullshit you want and not get called on it? Talk about delusional. ::)
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the famous sharpened pic from 1998 lol what a sucker , and hello moron Flex magazine said Dorian had the best back of the 20th Century which includes 1998 & 1999
owned again ;)
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what the fuck? that pic has been around for ages and ages and now your saying its oversharpened because the angle of the shot makes it look fantastic? ::)
like I said you cant post any good ronnie pic without the pathetic dorian nuthuggers crying that its oversharpened, if even the pic has been around since the beginning of bb on the internet..
and now all of a sudden ND and Co question it... ::)
grow up children.
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and by the way, they are the same pose
BUT
not the same pic.
not the same angle.
no doubt different photographers etc etc etc etc etc etc
perhaps a flash was used in one not the other etc etc
ND you are really hitting new lows with this oversharpening bullshit.
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I think this dorian back pic has been oversharpened LOL
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nice wrinkled lower back flab dorian.
no wonder you didn't top the list.
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the famous sharpened pic from 1998 lol what a sucker , and hello moron Flex magazine said Dorian had the best back of the 20th Century which includes 1998 & 1999
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=314506;image)
owned again ;)
Ha ha, Huckster and his sharpening tool owned again.
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Ha ha, Huckster and his sharpening tool owned again.
do you know how long this pic has been on the web? ::)
moron. ::)
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what does talking to me have to do with anything? You posted a pic of a prime Dorian fully flexing next to a pre-Mr. Olympia Ronnie in mid-pose with the self-proclaimed caption "owned." Did you honestly expect to post whatever bullshit you want and not get called on it? Talk about delusional. ::)
Again Hulkster asked if that was Ronnie next to Dorian and I responded to him NOT to you , Mr Neo vying for my attention sat up are barked looking for master to throw him a treat
it's not bullshit that Dorian is owing Ronnie in that pic moron that's a fact period. called on it ::) my ass , mid-pose , my ass
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what the fuck? that pic has been around for ages and ages and now your saying its oversharpened because the angle of the shot makes it look fantastic? ::)
like I said you cant post any good ronnie pic without the pathetic dorian nuthuggers crying that its oversharpened, if even the pic has been around since the beginning of bb on the internet..
and now all of a sudden ND and Co question it... ::)
grow up children.
The most muscular from 2003 you posted is sharped , that back double biceps is as well I don't care how long it's been around it's sharpened as we have something to compared it to
case closed a LOT of pics you post are worked and you know it
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do you know how long this pic has been on the web? ::)
moron. ::)
So what? the most muscular you posted from 2003 has been around forever and it's worked , your point? oh that's right you don't have any
keep using enhanced pics and making up quotes fan-boy
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Ha ha, Huckster and his sharpening tool owned again.
lmao his response . " It's a different pic " not shit it is lol it's a sharpened one , I didn't know if the angle is twisted slighting it has the exact same effect as the sharpened tool lmfao
can you believe this moron?
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LOL you morons are pathetic.
you take a different pic, different angle, different photographer, probably different camera etc etc etc etc.
and say that the pic is therefore enhanced LOL ::)
no retards.
show us the SAME EXACT PIC unsharpened.
then you might have something.
until then, all you have is your pathetic excuses..
::)
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LOL you morons are pathetic.
you take a different pic, different angle, different photographer, probably different camera etc etc etc etc.
and say that the pic is therefore enhanced LOL ::)
no retards.
show us the SAME EXACT PIC unsharpened.
then you might have something.
until then, all you have is your pathetic excuses..
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and you will never be able to.
that pic is legit as can be.
meltdown ;)
same exact picture , same exact time , same exact pose , they don't match because one is sharpened lol
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its not the same pic.
one pic is dead on
the other is taken from an angle off to the side.
they could have also been taken at slightly different times too. Ronnie has a habit of hitting a pose, THEN tensing fully for a second, then moving on... watch his routines and see for yourself moron..
you are seriously hitting a new all time low, questioning well established legit Ronnie shots just because your hero came in second place, his rightful position in a best back list..
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its not the same pic.
one pic is dead on
the other is taken from an angle off to the side.
what the fuck? ::)
Exact same pic just a different angle , it is SHARPENED just like your 2003 most muscular and you know it and so do I ;)
you're the biggest hypocrite on here with your multiple sharpened pics and your made up quotes you're an idiot if you thought you were going to get away with that
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Ronnie has a habit of hitting a pose, THEN tensing fully for a second, then moving on... watch his routines and see for yourself moron..
what ND fails to grasp..
there are lots of reasons why those pics are different. fuck, they're not even the same damn pic for starters..
and NONE of them are because of a "sharpening tool"
::)
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its not the same pic.
one pic is dead on
the other is taken from an angle off to the side.
they could have also been taken at slightly different times too. Ronnie has a habit of hitting a pose, THEN tensing fully for a second, then moving on... watch his routines and see for yourself moron..
you are seriously hitting a new all time low, questioning well established legit Ronnie shots just because your hero came in second place, his rightful position in a best back list..
I'm hitting a low ? you're the one using more sharpened pics as proof after being busted time and time again and I'm hitting a new low? lmfao you got busted lying about quotes from Shawn Ray & Kevin Horton and I'm hitting a new low? lmfao hahahahahahah
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ND is on #48758765096 of his excuses list.. LOL
too bad dorian deservedly placed second behind Ronnie's back..
and ND cant stand it.
cue excuse #48758659696767096707970!!!
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ND is on #48758765096 of his excuses list.. LOL
irony alert , the pics are different angles that why's it's sharpened lmao
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ND is on #48758765096 of his excuses list.. LOL
too bad dorian deservedly placed second behind Ronnie's back..
and ND cant stand it.
cue excuse #48758659696767096707970!!!
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You're owned so badly because it doesn't matter if the pic is sharpened or not it's from 1998 and Dorian was voted best back of the 20th century by you guessed it Flex magazine and guess what century 1998/1999 fall in ;)
owned
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the should just cut to the chase and have the 20 best male asses ever! that'd sellout and become a collectors item sensation overnight
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Again Hulkster asked if that was Ronnie next to Dorian and I responded to him NOT to you , Mr Neo vying for my attention sat up are barked looking for master to throw him a treat
wow, you are delusional. Following your logic, everyone on this forum (and every other forum for that matter) owns everyone else's mind since people respond to others' posts. ::) This means Hulkster, pumpster, Iceman, and I all own you b/c you've replied to us out of turn before. ;)
it's not bullshit that Dorian is owing Ronnie in that pic moron that's a fact period. called on it my ass , mid-pose , my ass
same contest, dipshit. Are you really going to argue that Ronnie's fully flaring out his lats in your pic?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=314476;image)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/KingKong.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/asfwefwefwe.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/ronswidertw2.jpg)
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wow, you are delusional. Following your logic, everyone on this forum (and every other forum for that matter) owns everyone else's mind since people respond to others' posts. ::) This means Hulkster, pumpster, Iceman, and I all own you b/c you've replied to us out of turn before. ;)
same contest, dipshit. Are you really going to argue that Ronnie's fully flaring out his lats in your pic?
wow, you are delusional. Following your logic, everyone on this forum (and every other forum for that matter) owns everyone else's mind since people respond to others' posts. ::) This means Hulkster, pumpster, Iceman, and I all own you b/c you've replied to us out of turn before. ;)
NO I own your mind because of the obvious YOU have my name in your sig ;) plus YOU follow me around from thread to thread not just this particular instance ;) YOU emulate my catch phrases , thanks for follow me puppy , you prove me right everytime
same contest, dipshit. Are you really going to argue that Ronnie's fully flaring out his lats in your pic?
It doesn't matter like I explained before ' dipshit ' even if he was just as wide or wider , why? because Dorian destroys him in every other aspect of the back , density , thickness , detail , depth so keep harping on points that don't matter that point still stands Dorian next to Ronnie side-by-side getting demoralized
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its not the same pic.
one pic is dead on
the other is taken from an angle off to the side.
they could have also been taken at slightly different times too. Ronnie has a habit of hitting a pose, THEN tensing fully for a second, then moving on... watch his routines and see for yourself moron..
you are seriously hitting a new all time low, questioning well established legit Ronnie shots just because your hero came in second place, his rightful position in a best back list..
Bold font meltdown! lol
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Bold font meltdown! lol
on top of being flat out wrong lol on all points
the pic is sharpened
the pic is from 1998 where Flex magazine voted Dorian best back of the 20th century
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Mike Fancois No 91....what?? ???
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Hey Huckster, this pic is a little dark and hard to see,...would you mind? ;D
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/asfwefwefwe.jpg)
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NO I own your mind because of the obvious YOU have my name in your sig
you said you drink my milkshake. Yeah, you sure "own" me. ::) I hope you don't go around 'owning' people in real life by telling them gay shit. :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/NDisaFag1.jpg)
plus YOU follow me around from thread to thread not just this particular instance YOU emulate my catch phrases , thanks for follow me puppy , you prove me right everytime
wtf are you talking about? This thread is about the best backs of all-time. I was fine with Flex ranking Ronnie #1 but nooooo, you had to interject your homosexual fan boy obsession into this thread.
It doesn't matter like I explained before ' dipshit ' even if he was just as wide or wider , why? because Dorian destroys him in every other aspect of the back , density , thickness , detail , depth so keep harping on points that don't matter that point still stands Dorian next to Ronnie side-by-side getting demoralized
yawn ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/FlexBestBack.jpg)
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you said you drink my milkshake. Yeah, you sure "own" me. ::) I hope you don't go around 'owning' people in real life by telling them gay shit. :-\
wtf are you talking about? This thread is about the best backs of all-time. I was fine with Flex ranking Ronnie #1 but nooooo, you had to interject your homosexual fan boy obsession into this thread.
yawn ;)
you said you drink my milkshake. Yeah, you sure "own" me. ::) I hope you don't go around 'owning' people in real life by telling them gay shit. :-\
Exactly I know what I said , YOU changed it to suit your underlying homosexual desires and at the end of the day YOU still have MY name in your sig and you even rename and saved pics of me to your harddrive lol I own you for all of the reasons I stated not just that one , ;) owned
wtf are you talking about? This thread is about the best backs of all-time. I was fine with Flex ranking Ronnie #1 but nooooo, you had to interject your homosexual fan boy obsession into this thread.
And I posted a pic of Dorian and Ronnie in a back shot that's not gay fan-boy , that's on topic , owned again
yawn
Same article it states MANY feel even today Dorian has the best back , and there are other polls to this day that say Dorian has a better back , oppppsssss owned yet again third time is a charm , 3 strikes and fan-boy Neo is out Wink
run along puppy the novelty of toying with you of over ;D
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the pic is from 1998 where Flex magazine voted Dorian best back of the 20th century
hindsight's 20/20.
at the time dorian was THE back in bb.
ronnie had just won his first O. people were writing him off as a one time Mr. O at the time.
years later, not only did Ronnie's back improve over his 1998 appearance, but its quite clear that Ronnie's back was much better than dorians.
hence with the proper perspective (ie both men's careers essentially over) Ronnie wins the poll easily.
suck it nuthuggers :P
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Hey Huckster, this pic is a little dark and hard to see,...would you mind? ;D
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/asfwefwefwe.jpg)
Ha ha ha ha I recall Hulkster & pumpster posting that pic and bragging about how he owns Yates lol in a contest where he was a very distant 6th
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FIRST and second...
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hindsight's 20/20.
at the time dorian was THE back in bb.
ronnie had just won his first O. people were writing him off as a one time Mr. O at the time.
years later, not only did Ronnie's back improve over his 1998 appearance, but its quite clear that Ronnie's back was much better than dorians.
hence with the proper perspective (ie both men's careers essentially over) Ronnie wins the poll easily.
suck it nuthuggers :P
excuses , excuses , Dorian's back is still better to this day and there are many other polls besides Flex and even in the Flex article they state MANY feel Dorian has a better back lol just like Ronnie said lol owned by your own hero
keep posting sharpened pics lol
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keep claiming all ronnie pics are sharpened.. ::)
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FIRST and second...
LMFAO that's the only place Ronnie beats Dorian in fan-boy comparisons , FYI Dorian has a longer torso than Ronnie yet in the fab-boy comparisons he doesn't , Dorian lats insert lower than Ronnies , in fan-boy comparisons they don't lol
this is reality NO fan-boys needed
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keep claiming all ronnie pics are sharpened.. ::)
Who said all? please find that quote liar ;)
not all just a LOT of the 99 screencaps , the 98 back shot the 2003 MM shall I continue? ;)
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is that dorian standing beside Ronnie?
hahahahha
dorian would look just as pitiful standing next to that.
With all respect, Hulkster, that comparison doesn't best make your point.
I have always thought Dorian easily had a superior lat spread while the Olympia-winning Ronnie could have a more appealing rear-biceps pose (at least, before he got hurt and/or too heavy, like in 2004 and on). Picking between them for "best back" is next to impossible though, little as it means*, I'd probably take Dorian by a slight margin.
*These polls y'all talk about don't mean anything. Most of the little boys voting in these things were probably pre-pubescent when Dorian was winning. Of COURSE they'll favor Ronnie; that's only natural, especially after Ronnie's showing in 2003.
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With all respect, Hulkster, that comparison doesn't best make your point.
I have always thought Dorian easily had a superior lat spread while the Olympia-winning Ronnie could have a more appealing rear-biceps pose (at least, before he got hurt and/or too heavy, like in 2004 and on). Picking between them for "best back" is next to impossible though, little as it means*, I'd probably take Dorian by a slight margin.
*These polls y'all talk about don't mean anything. Most of the little boys voting in these things were probably pre-pubescent when Dorian was winning. Of COURSE they'll favor Ronnie; that's only natural, especially after Ronnie's showing in 2003.
Great post ! but alas you can't talk sense into the senseless :-\
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Dorian lats insert lower than Ronnies
yes, into his superthick keg construction worker waist.. ::)
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Dorian does have a very impressive back and is wider than Coleman with more striations. To say that Ronnie wins easily is a bit foolish perhaps.
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To say that Ronnie wins easily is a bit foolish perhaps
no more foolish than ND claiming that the 98 back shot is worked, the 2003 mm is worked, and most of the 99 screenshots are worked.. ::)
the only reason he claims this is because they show Ronnie was just that much better.
all of us look and see that Ronnie was simply better. its called progress.
ND and Co. look, see and figure out some excuse... ::)
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ps check out Ronnie 99's rear lat spread.
its quite clear why he placed first in the poll..dorian never came close to this. his thick waist wouldn't allow it..
<cue ND claiming this pic is worked too.. ::) ::)>
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no more foolish than ND claiming that the 98 back shot is worked, the 2003 mm is worked, and most of the 99 screenshots are worked.. ::)
the only reason he claims this is because they show Ronnie was just that much better.
all of us look and see that Ronnie was simply better. its called progress.
ND and Co. look, see and figure out some excuse... ::)
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I bet you that 2003 MM is worked I'll bet you my account if I'm wrong I'll delete mine and if you're wrong delete yours deal? ;)
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ps check out Ronnie 99's rear lat spread.
its quite clear why he placed first in the poll..dorian never came close to this. his thick waist wouldn't allow it..
<cue ND claiming this pic is worked too.. ::) ::)>
You know what ones are worked because I call you on them yet you continue to post them lol
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yes, into his superthick keg construction worker waist.. ::)
It doesn't matter NO matter how much weight Ronnie puts on he can never lengthen his muscles , his lats will never be as low as Dorians neither will his traps and teres and infraspinatus , etc , so when you post your fan-boy comparisons you might want to take that into consideration lol then again noting you post is reality based , it's only in these fantasy comparisons that Ronnie beats Dorian because in reality he couldn't get the job done :D
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ps check out Ronnie 99's rear lat spread.
its quite clear why he placed first in the poll..dorian never came close to this. his thick waist wouldn't allow it..
<cue ND claiming this pic is worked too.. ::) ::)>
He never came close to that? You're right he was way to complete to come close to that mess lol what happens when the judges ask for one foot placed back to flex the calf? nothing happens when Ronnie does this , Ronnie has a very good rear latspread , Dorian's is better , more complete , less flaws , better balance & proportion , better density & dryness , better sweep of the lats , lower lats , it's simply better everywhere
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He never came close to that? You're right he was way to complete to come close to that mess lol what happens when the judges ask for one foot placed back to flex the calf? nothing happens when Ronnie does this , Ronnie has a very good rear latspread , Dorian's is better , more complete , less flaws , better balance & proportion , better density & dryness , better sweep of the lats , lower lats , it's simply better everywhere
I do think Dorian actually has a better back but I gotta advise you(for what it's worth lol) not to overuse those infamous b&w pics... The lightning used is almost too beneficial and does not seem to accurately recreate how he actually looked. If you look at any other photos of him ever he has never been able to duplicate it which makes me believe that it was basically some lucky shots with awesome lightning.
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Best back EVER..
(http://englishrussia.com/images/bodybuilding_in_russia/1.jpg)
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I do think Dorian actually has a better back but I gotta advise you(for what it's worth lol) not to overuse those infamous b&w pics... The lightning used is almost too beneficial and does not seem to accurately recreate how he actually looked. If you look at any other photos of him ever he has never been able to duplicate it which makes me believe that it was basically some lucky shots with awesome lightning.
exactly. they were very well done controlled shots from a professional photographer with proper lighting to produce the desired shadows, contrast etc.
when dorian was onstage, he got owned quite a bit:
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I do think Dorian actually has a better back but I gotta advise you(for what it's worth lol) not to overuse those infamous b&w pics... The lightning used is almost too beneficial and does not seem to accurately recreate how he actually looked. If you look at any other photos of him ever he has never been able to duplicate it which makes me believe that it was basically some lucky shots with awesome lightning.
lucky shots? both of those are different years , lighting was nothing special confirmed by Kevin Horton the photographer when posed with the same question he balked at the idea he wouldn't look as impressive in color or in person , and he was to duplicate that?
these are from 1992 NO lucky lighting or anything special just gym shots
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exactly. they were very well done controlled shots from a professional photographer with proper lighting to produce the desired shadows, contrast etc.
when dorian was onstage, he got owned quite a bit:
lmfao coming from the guy who constantly uses ENHANCED pictures and was busted numerous times doing so by Kevin Horton and did you miss the part where he said Yates has a better back? and you're agreeing lol moron
and to quote the photographer the picture was technically terrible ;)
owned again moron
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and to quote the photographer the picture was technically terrible
of course anyone with a brain can see that is not true.
saying that is a great way to stroke your own ego.
after all, if you say those famous shots are 'technically terrible' imagine how good your 'good' shots must be.. ::)
its quite clear what the intention of that comment was...to make himself look better.
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lucky shots? both of those are different years , lighting was nothing special confirmed by Kevin Horton the photographer when posed with the same question he balked at the idea he wouldn't look as impressive in color or in person , and he was to duplicate that?
these are from 1992 NO lucky lighting or anything special just gym shots
Well I see your point and those shots are impressive (very impressive!) as well but come on, you can even see his damn bacne in detail here, the lightning was very beneficial.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=314547;image)
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of course anyone with a brain can see that is not true.
saying that is a great way to stroke your own ego.
after all, if you say those famous shots are 'technically terrible' imagine how good your 'good' shots must be.. ::)
its quite clear what the intention of that comment was...to make himself look better.
Oh boy ::) you're just bitter because he fucking owned your ass and your enhanced pics , come one sport wanna bet accounts that 03 MM is sharpened? ;)
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LOL ND are you really falling for the bullshit that the famous dorian black and white shots were horribly done?
oh man... ::)
on the contrary they are very well done and very well controlled shots. no matter what the photographer would like us to believe..
holy fuck man.
I knew you were dense.
but not that dense.
you continue to amaze. congrats. :o
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LOL ND are you really falling for the bullshit that the famous dorian black and white shots were horribly done?
oh man... ::)
on the contrary they are very well done and very well controlled shots. no matter what the photographer would like us to believe..
holy fuck man.
I knew you were dense.
but not that dense.
you continue to amaze. congrats. :o
owned again ;)
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LOL ND are you really falling for the bullshit that the famous dorian black and white shots were horribly done?
oh man... ::)
on the contrary they are very well done and very well controlled shots. no matter what the photographer would like us to believe..
holy fuck man.
I knew you were dense.
but not that dense.
you continue to amaze. congrats. :o
Well in terms of photographic gear and setup those shots may very well be "unprepared" or sub-par but they certainly give a too flattering impression of his real physique. The same with some of the Ronnie pics floating around. Even Kamali can look good in some of his kitchen shots.
Compare contest pictures (or video) instead, that's where it really matters.
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Well in terms of photographic gear and setup those shots may very well be "unprepared" or sub-par but they give almost a false impression of his real physique. The same with some of the Ronnie pics floating around. Even Kamali can look good in some of his kitchen shots.
Compare contest pictures (or video) instead, they are what really matters.
He did compare contest pics which his buddy enhanced lol all contest pics ALL better than anything Ronnie ever presented
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He did compare contest pics which his buddy enhanced lol all contest pics ALL better than anything Ronnie ever presented
And Dorian looks absolutely awesome there, no denying that.
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hey ND those dorian screenshots are oversharpened..LOL
::) ::) ::)
you are such a tool.. :-\
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here is a video presentation of why dorian placed second in the poll:
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
watch, learn and enjoy!
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hey ND those dorian screenshots are oversharpened..LOL
::) ::) ::)
you are such a tool.. :-\
Here's a sharpened photo, learn the difference:
EDIT: Some contrast thrown in there as well ala Ronnie photos and a comparison pic
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Here's a sharpened photo, learn the difference:
EDIT: Some contrast thrown in there as well ala Ronnie photos and a comparison pic
oh I know the dorian shots are not sharpened.
I was just illustrating how stupid ND sounds with excuse #898505769606 all the time.. ::)
its always the same with the dorian nuthuggers.
they know dorian didn't have a better physique, so they need to come up with ways to make ronnie's physique seem faked/doctored/sharpened etc so they have some way of making dorian seem better.
its the same old story.
this has been going on for years on getbig.. ::)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067;topicseen#msg1727067
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oh I know the dorian shots are not sharpened.
I was just illustrating how stupid ND sounds with excuse #898505769606 all the time.. ::)
its always the same with the dorian nuthuggers.
they know dorian didn't have a better physique, so they need to come up with ways to make ronnie's physique seem faked/doctored/sharpened etc so they have some way of making dorian seem better.
its the same old story.
this has been going on for years on getbig.. ::)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg1727067;topicseen#msg1727067
I'll begin by saying that I think Ronnie was a awesome bodybuilder and the discussion whether he or Dorian was the best is a very good one no matter the outcome. So I'm not biased against Ronnie nor Dorian.
But dude come on, most of the pictures you use have some pretty savage contrast/filters/sharpening added to them. This is true of some of the Dorian pics as well but you look a bit foolish when you deny that the Ronnie pics are tampered with.
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But dude come on, most of the pictures you use have some pretty savage contrast/filters/sharpening added to them
according to who? ND and Co? LOL ::)
gee what a suprise coming from them ::)
they have their agenda and all they do is make up the excuses to try and stay in the game.
like I said, its the same old story.. :-\
its a simple formula they follow really:
dorian doesn't look as good as ronnie in the pics and videos
so, lets try and discredit the Ronnie pics and videos
hence, dorian seems better.
there you have it.. ::)
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I'll begin by saying that I think Ronnie was a awesome bodybuilder and the discussion whether he or Dorian was the best is a very good one no matter the outcome. So I'm not biased against Ronnie nor Dorian.
But dude come on, most of the pictures you use have some pretty savage contrast/filters/sharpening added to them. This is true of some of the Dorian pics as well but you look a bit foolish when you deny that the Ronnie pics are tampered with.
some history for ya:
back in the truce thread, the 99 olympia screencaps and videos of Ronnie were posted along with the 93 dorian olympia vids/screens.
and from day one the nuthuggers have been claiming they were faked, because ronnie was simply that much better.
here is a post from the person who posted them, totally owning the pathetic nuthuggers.
you see, this shit has been going on for years. and still today, when ronnie comes out on top, they still resort to the same tired bullshit.
enjoy: from 2007 by forcedreps:
Ok, one more time I give away 5 minutes of my life and step down to the retarded level of internet fanboy bodybuilding.
Time to *own* you skinny little bitch again
Here you go skinny little nerd
The quality of the youtube clips from muscledvd are taken from a VHS tape jackass.
How can you say stuff like ***HERE IS THE ENTIRE ROUTINE AND IN NO WAY DO THEY MATCH THE PICS HULKSTER HAS BEEN POSTING SINCE PAGE 18***
Are you blind ?
BTW caps lock is for retards, your BS will still look not more important you nerd
Sure the quality of the youtube videos are not the same like the DVD or a good DVD rip cause youtube vids are always very strong compressed but hell, even a idiot like you should be able to see that coleman still looks nearly the same like on my pics.
Here is the source that I've used to make my pics, Like I said all is legit even if a few yates hardcore nut-huggers have a hard time to believe that.
OK DVD rip.
http://rapidshare.de/files/34357800/1999_olymp.part1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34362584/1999_olymp.part2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34364476/1999_olymp.part3.rar.html
Password = www.fittimpo.cz
DL it, take pics with bs player like I have done and if your pics look like mine then you are retarded but most of the ppl here already know that
Here is one of the so called DVD clips from muscledvd on youtube.
If you would have opened your eyes before you have talked BS then you would have noticed the Hi-Fi at the start in the right upper corner you little retarded internet bodybuilder.
DVD's/DVD players don't do that, only retarded VHS recorders so the source of the youtube clip is crapy VHS but how could you know that ?
You must live under a stone, I bet you have never seen a DVD player or a VHS recorder in your entire life so you have a good excuse this time
IceCold you are just a retard if you think that a VHS rip is more legit than a ok DVD rip.
Yeah the nick of the guy from your youtube link is muscledvd so the clip must be from a DVD LOL!!!!!
Great work Dr.Watson
Holy fucking christ, you must be the king of the retards here LOL!!!!
BTW, why have you still not downloaded this DVD rip ?
http://rapidshare.de/files/34357800/1999_olymp.part1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34362584/1999_olymp.part2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34364476/1999_olymp.part3.rar.html
Password = www.fittimpo.cz
Too stupid to dl from rapidshare, LMAO!!!!!!!!!
DL it take pics and STFU you skinny assclown
That was the source for my screenshots, yeah I know GMV ( producers of the olympia tapes/DVD's ) have faked the olympia video too that all the yates fanboys like you and NarcissisticDeity etc.... have something to bitch
Sorry ND, first I thought you can use facts to defend your idol but after I have seen your line ***Countdown to the excues........5........4 .........3...... *** I can only say you are just another irritated yates fanboy that cannot accept evidences in form of legit pics/videos.
I thought your idol yates looks so much better than coleman in 1999 so why do you come up with crap like faked vids now ?
Hahahahahaha, I bet you were shocked as hell after you have seen my pics the first time.
If you guys still need more evidence how coleman has looked at the 1999 Mr.O no problem.
Next week I'll take a few HQ screencaps 720x480 (NTSC) directly from the 1999 Mr.O DVD.
If that's still not enough evidence for you and for the mentally retarded skinny internet bodybuilder IceCold to show you guys that my pics were never faked then I'll upload the DVD VOB of the 1999 MR.O that shows the Pre-Judging round to shut the mouth of all the shit talkers here.
If you guys were shocked from my pics then I can promise you will hate those HQ DVD screencaps and the VOB file
I bet even this will not change the mind of IceCold and the other hardcore yates fanboys but hey it's worth a try.
Here is a little tip from me for all the nut-huggers.
If you want show how great your idol is/was use facts and don't come up with stupid excuses about faked vids/pics etc...., this let you guys just look like retarded internet fanboys
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Sorry ND, first I thought you can use facts to defend your idol but after I have seen your line ***Countdown to the excues........5........4 .........3...... *** I can only say you are just another irritated yates fanboy that cannot accept evidences in form of legit pics/videos.
apparently, even in 2009, some things never change eh?
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it seem there are some "irritated yates fanboys" who are having trouble with the fact that dorian is second in the best backs list..LMAO
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ha ha ha, ND is such a sore loser. Even when a bunch of experts from the world's largest bodybuilding mag unanimously agree that Ronnie has the best back ever, ND claims they are delusional even though he has never seen Dorian or Ronnie compete. ::)
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Why is every thread hijacked and turned into a ronnie/dorian thread. $hits getting old.
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Albert beckles had a maturity to his back that a few of the 19 that placed ahead of him didn't have, very underrated better than 20th they had him @, Samir also had a very complete balanced back again like Beckles not the biggest bloke, but the sheer quality the 2 had in there back development was outstanding.
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DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent (Maybe) ,a great doesn’t deserve any Mr.Olympia title. He had the best one of the weakest side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest good back that I usually see on good bodybuilders .
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Fixed 8)
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according to who? ND and Co? LOL ::)
gee what a suprise coming from them ::)
they have their agenda and all they do is make up the excuses to try and stay in the game.
like I said, its the same old story.. :-\
its a simple formula they follow really:
dorian doesn't look as good as ronnie in the pics and videos
so, lets try and discredit the Ronnie pics and videos
hence, dorian seems better.
there you have it.. ::)
No according to Kevin Horton one of the best contest photographers in the business ;) he confirmed on many occasions exactly what screencaps were enhanced and and FYI the guy who did them admitted it to ;)
it's YOU who resorted to using worked pics its YOU who made up quotes , YOU had access to many untouched pics from 1999 and YOU chose not to use them instead .
The problem isn't Dorian doesn't look as good as Ronnie in pics , the problem was Ronnie didn't look as good as Ronnie in the pics and we found out the reason ;)
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ha ha ha, ND is such a sore loser. Even when a bunch of experts from the world's largest bodybuilding mag unanimously agree that Ronnie has the best back ever, ND claims they are delusional even though he has never seen Dorian or Ronnie compete. ::)
More wonderful logic from the idiot who claimed the head of Flex magazine was dead wrong when he said Ronnie was never harder & drier than Dorian lol you even went so far as to claim a medical DR would agree with you lmfao now you're reduced to claiming Flex is the law , you're a hypocrite plain & simple
And what did I lose exactly? Dorian had the best back judged by Flex magazine of the 20th Century which included Ronnie Coleman 1998/1999 and even in the latest poll they say this For much of the '90s, there was little dispute that Yates had the best back ever, and there are many who contend so today.
They even admit many feel even today Dorian still holds that title so again what did I lose? ;) and there are other polls that say Dorian is better , so in the end who is right & who is wrong? Flex because they agree with you? and what does Ronnie have to say on the topic lol yeah I thought so fan-boy ;)
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
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some history for ya:
back in the truce thread, the 99 olympia screencaps and videos of Ronnie were posted along with the 93 dorian olympia vids/screens.
and from day one the nuthuggers have been claiming they were faked, because ronnie was simply that much better.
here is a post from the person who posted them, totally owning the pathetic nuthuggers.
you see, this shit has been going on for years. and still today, when ronnie comes out on top, they still resort to the same tired bullshit.
enjoy: from 2007 by forcedreps:
LMFAO this has what to do with Bizzy's enhanced screencaps? lmfao see above post by Horton who said Bizzy's are enhanced and NOT forcedreps you moron and Bizzy admitted and was busted by me , claiming he never knew what the sharpened tool was ;)
everytime you post a sharpened screencap I will own you at every turn ;)
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Here's a sharpened photo, learn the difference:
EDIT: Some contrast thrown in there as well ala Ronnie photos and a comparison pic
He knows the difference he doesn't care.
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LMFAO this has what to do with Bizzy's enhanced screencaps? lmfao see above post by Horton who said Bizzy's are enhanced and NOT forcedreps you moron and Bizzy admitted and was busted by me , claiming he never knew what the sharpened tool was ;)
everytime you post a sharpened screencap I will own you at every turn ;)
no mornn, forcedreps comments had nothing to do with Bizzy's shots -Bizzy wasnt even on the board yet ::). they were from HIS shots that nuthuggers like IceCold jumped on because they crushed his hero..
irritated fanboys..hahaha..so very true.
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according to who? ND and Co? LOL ::)
gee what a suprise coming from them ::)
they have their agenda and all they do is make up the excuses to try and stay in the game.
like I said, its the same old story.. :-\
its a simple formula they follow really:
dorian doesn't look as good as ronnie in the pics and videos
so, lets try and discredit the Ronnie pics and videos
hence, dorian seems better.
there you have it.. ::)
Hahaha, are you slow? What I said comes from my own observations.
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More wonderful logic from the idiot who claimed the head of Flex magazine was dead wrong when he said Ronnie was never harder & drier than Dorian lol you even went so far as to claim a medical DR would agree with you lmfao now you're reduced to claiming Flex is the law , you're a hypocrite plain & simple
ha ha ha, why am I not surprised by your lies in the face of defeat? First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian. I said Ronnie matched Dorian. Second, don't try to equate one guy with the entire staff of Flex mag. Show me a poll from Flex saying Dorian had the best conditioning of all-time. Third, it's ironic of you to accuse me of being a hypocrite when you are the biggest hypocrite here. ::)
And what did I lose exactly? Dorian had the best back judged by Flex magazine of the 20th Century which included Ronnie Coleman 1998/1999 and even in the latest poll they say this For much of the '90s, there was little dispute that Yates had the best back ever, and there are many who contend so today.
so Dorian was voted best back up until the 21st century? Big deal. Ronnie was voted by Flex for having the best back of all-time which includes everyone who came before him. ;)
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And Dorian looks absolutely awesome there, no denying that.
Yep. Awesome lack of symmetry, which is one of the critical points when you are comparing bodybuilders. If you don't have symmetry, you loose game to the guy who have it, even if he has less mass in his frame. So simple.
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Yep. Awesome lack of symmetry, which is one of the critical points when you are comparing bodybuilders. If you don't have symmetry, you loose game to the guy who have it, even if he has less mass in his frame. So simple.
In the pics I referred to his symmetry is almost flawless, with awesome mass and conditioning. Are you high or something?
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In the pics I referred to his symmetry is almost flawless, with awesome mass and conditioning. Are you high or something?
You must be blind, and therefore unable to judge this matter. Sorry, better luck next time.
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You must be blind, and therefore unable to judge this matter. Sorry, better luck next time.
If we're talking about the left side matching up with the right one then yes it is almost flawless. PROPORTIONS is another matter, boy.
Who are you to speak anyway Mr 30,000 mg of test per week ::)
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Yep. Awesome lack of symmetry, which is one of the critical points when you are comparing bodybuilders. If you don't have symmetry, you loose game to the guy who have it, even if he has less mass in his frame. So simple.
Then why did Dorian beat Shawn, Flex, Nasser(although i think he should have won in 97), Levrone etc...?
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If we're talking about the left side matching up with the right one then yes it is almost flawless. PROPORTIONS is another matter, boy.
How are you to speak anyway, Mr 30,000 mg of test per week ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=314527;image)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=314559;image)
So you don't see that poor symmetry on his back? Both sides should be similar, but his trapezius-muscle on the left side is quite a bit smaller than right side, and that is enough, if that another guy has a perfect pair. That you can see in all of his back poses through his career, so it is in his structure, so he lost points because of that. Learn rules of the sport, then argue with the facts, not with some childish speculations.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=314527;image)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274027.0;attach=314559;image)
So you don't see that poor symmetry on his back? Both sides should be similar, but his trapezius-muscle on the left side is quite a bit smaller than right side, and that is enough, if that another guy has a perfect pair. That you can see in all of his back poses through his career, so it is in his structure, so he lost points because of that. Learn rules of the sport, then argue with the facts, not with some childish speculations.
Hence the "almost" flawless symmetry.
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So you don't see that poor symmetry on his back? Both sides should be similar, but his trapezius-muscle on the left side is quite a bit smaller than right side, and that is enough, if that another guy has a perfect pair. That you can see in all of his back poses through his career, so it is in his structure, so he lost points because of that. Learn rules of the sport, then argue with the facts, not with some childish speculations.
I've been saying this for a while. Dorian's back is very asymmetrical. His traps don't line up, one trap is thicker than the other, and his lats aren't symmetrical either. His strengths make up for his weaknesses but when compared to Ronnie who has an equally impressive back without the symmetry issues, Dorian's flaws become more apparent.
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His strengths make up for his weaknesses but when compared to Ronnie who has an equally impressive back without the symmetry issues, Dorian's flaws become more apparent
the same applies to the front side when comparing dorian vs ronnie..actually, this plagued dorian his whole career.
he looked GREAT standing by himself on stage.
but as soon as others stood beside him, well, we all know how that looks.. :'(
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ha ha ha, why am I not surprised by your lies in the face of defeat? First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian. I said Ronnie matched Dorian. Second, don't try to equate one guy with the entire staff of Flex mag. Show me a poll from Flex saying Dorian had the best conditioning of all-time. Third, it's ironic of you to accuse me of being a hypocrite when you are the biggest hypocrite here. ::)
so Dorian was voted best back up until the 21st century? Big deal. Ronnie was voted by Flex for having the best back of all-time which includes everyone who came before him. ;)
ha ha ha, why am I not surprised by your lies in the face of defeat? First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian. I said Ronnie matched Dorian. Second, don't try to equate one guy with the entire staff of Flex mag. Show me a poll from Flex saying Dorian had the best conditioning of all-time. Third, it's ironic of you to accuse me of being a hypocrite when you are the biggest hypocrite here. ::)
Neo this is going to hurt ;D
First YOU did disagree with McGough's claim
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.37950
what opinion? My belief that 01 ASC Ronnie was more conditioned than Dorian? Show any medical doctor a pic of both and ask them who looks more shredded and dry. I guarantee you they will all choose Ronnie. ;)
actually, my logic is sound. Medical doctors know more about the human body and the manifestations of low body fat and water levels than someone with an English major writing for a bodybuilding magazine. I don't expect you to understand this seeing as how you struggle with even the simplest concepts.
This is you dismissing McGough's claims ( which you said you never did ) now onto your other bullshit claim that you claimed that Ronnie matched Dorian in terms of conditioning which is another flat out lie because here you are typing on more than one occasion Ronnie has better conditioning
wrong. Dorian was never measured using hydrostatic weighing. So we don't know what his actual subcutaneous fat and water levels were. The best we can do is guess based on visible clues (e.g. separations, striations, cheek bones, etc). Using the aforementioned criteria, 01 ASC Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
01 ASC Ronnie has better conditioning than 93 Dorian. Sorry, but this is not up for debate. Ronnie also had superior definition from top to bottom.
I can say with 100% certainty Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. Ronnie at the 01 ASC displayed all the tell-tale signs of Dorian's level of conditioning and then some.
you are correct about one thing. I did say 01 ASC Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. Conditioning refers to body fat and water levels. I never said Ronnie was harder or dryer, which is what Suckmyasshole claimed. Dorian may have looked 'harder' in person. I never saw him compete. So it's hard for me to compare a tactile perception based on pics. However, I can say with 100% certainty that 01 ASC Ronnie had better overall conditioning.
See you can't keep track of your bullshit , but I can ;) now all these quotes are subsequent to the McGough quote which proves unequivocally that you're a liar
I didn't equate McGough with the whole of Team Flex I said you're the same moron who dismissed Flex writers before , which you denied and which I just utterly crushed on ;D the point stands Flex and Their writers are right when you need them to be which makes you a hypocrite which is old news
On two showing you a poll from Flex saying Dorian had the best conditioning of all time , they never did this poll as far as I know but individual writers of Flex have all touched on this topic among others and BTW I don't feel he had the best conditioning of all time
Quote from Julian Schmidt, "FLEX" magazine, on the November issue, 1998:
"Now that Dorian Yates, the thickest, densest and most annealed bodybuider in history has retired, Ronnie has taken the opportunity to become the new stndard-bearer. Something unlikely to have happened, if Dorian still competed."
[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?
Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
First of all, Dorian would bring to the stage a package so massive and freakily conditioned that throughout his career as Mr. Olympia no one would come close to defeating him on size and hardness. His level of development set a new standard in bodybuilding excellence, one that is being favorably looked upon, and replicated by many in the sport, today.
Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.
That's just a few plus here is a poll from bodybuilding.com guess who the winner is? ;D
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2
and now moving onto the topic of being a hypocrite , I believe they call that projection , ontop of me exposing you as a hypocrite you can also add liar into the mix
so Dorian was voted best back up until the 21st century? Big deal. Ronnie was voted by Flex for having the best back of all-time which includes everyone who came before him. ;)
Again to highlight your hypocrisy Flex and it's writers are right when YOU want them to be , but you go to great lengths to dismiss their opinions when it doesn't work for you ( see hypocrite ) and again they prefaced it by saying that many today feel Dorian still has the best back lol it's arguable for you to cling to this one poll shows your desperation , and you never answered my question on what makes this poll right and the one from EliteFitness wrong? ;) their Poll states Dorian has the best back
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
Now a few people who feel Dorian's back was " the thickest & freakiest " as well as the best ever
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Wow Ronnie himself but I'm sure you know more than him too lol
Samir Bannout 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Another Mr Olympia winner with a outstanding back I might add ;D
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates "
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Notice ALL of these quotes are post retirement and coincides with Flex ranking Dorian the best back of the 20th Century which included Ronnie 1998/1999 , so if you think this one poll negates all of this then it shows how desperate and moronic you are . It is very arguable that Dorian and Ronnie have the best back and one Flex Poll doesn't end the debate and hey wait a moment didn't Team Flex state that Joel Stubbs has a better back than Coleman and Yates? lol I'm sure you agree with that too?
Neo you're owned as usual , you made the huge mistake of following me into another thread like the lost puppy you are only to have me rub your nose in your own shit ;)
you're not in my league little man and never will be .
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Cripes. That last ND post was a forensic nightmare. :o
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Cripes. That last ND post was a forensic nightmare. :o
I like crushing Neo under the weight of his own stupidity , the bottom line is he denied disagreeing with McGough and denied he ever said Ronnie was better conditioned , which he was exposed as a liar . that simple. ;D
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Neo this is going to hurt ;D
First YOU did disagree with McGough's claim
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.37950
what opinion? My belief that 01 ASC Ronnie was more conditioned than Dorian? Show any medical doctor a pic of both and ask them who looks more shredded and dry. I guarantee you they will all choose Ronnie. ;)
actually, my logic is sound. Medical doctors know more about the human body and the manifestations of low body fat and water levels than someone with an English major writing for a bodybuilding magazine. I don't expect you to understand this seeing as how you struggle with even the simplest concepts.
This is you dismissing McGough's claims ( which you said you never did ) now onto your other bullshit claim that you claimed that Ronnie matched Dorian in terms of conditioning which is another flat out lie because here you are typing on more than one occasion Ronnie has better conditioning
wrong. Dorian was never measured using hydrostatic weighing. So we don't know what his actual subcutaneous fat and water levels were. The best we can do is guess based on visible clues (e.g. separations, striations, cheek bones, etc). Using the aforementioned criteria, 01 ASC Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
I can say with 100% certainty Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. Ronnie at the 01 ASC displayed all the tell-tale signs of Dorian's level of conditioning and then some.
you are correct about one thing. I did say 01 ASC Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. Conditioning refers to body fat and water levels. I never said Ronnie was harder or dryer, which is what Suckmyasshole claimed. Dorian may have looked 'harder' in person. I never saw him compete. So it's hard for me to compare a tactile perception based on pics. However, I can say with 100% certainty that 01 ASC Ronnie had better overall conditioning.
See you can't keep track of your bullshit , but I can ;) now all these quotes are subsequent to the McGough quote which proves unequivocally that you're a liar
I didn't equate McGough with the whole of Team Flex I said you're the same moron who dismissed Flex writers before , which you denied and which I just utterly crushed on ;D the point stands Flex and Their writers are right when you need them to be which makes you a hypocrite which is old news
On two showing you a poll from Flex saying Dorian had the best conditioning of all time , they never did this poll as far as I know but individual writers of Flex have all touched on this topic among others and BTW I don't feel he had the best conditioning of all time
Quote from Julian Schmidt, "FLEX" magazine, on the November issue, 1998:
"Now that Dorian Yates, the thickest, densest and most annealed bodybuider in history has retired, Ronnie has taken the opportunity to become the new stndard-bearer. Something unlikely to have happened, if Dorian still competed."
[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?
Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
First of all, Dorian would bring to the stage a package so massive and freakily conditioned that throughout his career as Mr. Olympia no one would come close to defeating him on size and hardness. His level of development set a new standard in bodybuilding excellence, one that is being favorably looked upon, and replicated by many in the sport, today.
Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.
That's just a few plus here is a poll from bodybuilding.com guess who the winner is? ;D
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2
and now moving onto the topic of being a hypocrite , I believe they call that projection , ontop of me exposing you as a hypocrite you can also add liar into the mix
Again to highlight your hypocrisy Flex and it's writers are right when YOU want them to be , but you go to great lengths to dismiss their opinions when it doesn't work for you ( see hypocrite ) and again they prefaced it by saying that many today feel Dorian still has the best back lol it's arguable for you to cling to this one poll shows your desperation , and you never answered my question on what makes this poll right and the one from EliteFitness wrong? ;) their Poll states Dorian has the best back
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
Now a few people who feel Dorian's back was " the thickest & freakiest " as well as the best ever
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Wow Ronnie himself but I'm sure you know more than him too lol
Samir Bannout 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Another Mr Olympia winner with a outstanding back I might add ;D
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates "
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Notice ALL of these quotes are post retirement and coincides with Flex ranking Dorian the best back of the 20th Century which included Ronnie 1998/1999 , so if you think this one poll negates all of this then it shows how desperate and moronic you are . It is very arguable that Dorian and Ronnie have the best back and one Flex Poll doesn't end the debate and hey wait a moment didn't Team Flex state that Joel Stubbs has a better back than Coleman and Yates? lol I'm sure you agree with that too?
Neo you're owned as usual , you made the huge mistake of following me into another thread like the lost puppy you are only to have me rub your nose in your own shit ;)
you're not in my league little man and never will be .
Ouch..
Sometimes, a single word is enough. Now let's all wait for Seminole to reply to this by posting one of his competently and honestly scaled comparisons where Ronnie's forearms are as long as Dorian's entire arms, his waist just as wide as Dorian's and their calves are the same size. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It is what it is. there are other Guys with great backs and Dorian had a great one. I am honored to be noted Thanks Flex 8)
Marvelous
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Ouch..
Sometimes, a single word is enough.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
;D I learned it by watching you , the kid is a punching bag.
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It is what it is. there are other Guys with great backs and Dorian had a great one. I am honored to be noted Thanks Flex 8)
Marvelous
Hey Melvin in the house ! good luck on up coming contests
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Im on my job keep tabs on me on the forums of flex bro 8) Thanks for the support
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yawn, you make this too easy for me. ::)
First YOU did disagree with McGough's claim
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.37950
learn how to properly use sources. I had to scroll down the page to look for what you're talking about.
"what opinion? My belief that 01 ASC Ronnie was more conditioned than Dorian? Show any medical doctor a pic of both and ask them who looks more shredded and dry. I guarantee you they will all choose Ronnie."
"actually, my logic is sound. Medical doctors know more about the human body and the manifestations of low body fat and water levels than someone with an English major writing for a bodybuilding magazine. I don't expect you to understand this seeing as how you struggle with even the simplest concepts."
okay? I'm not sure what you tried to accomplish by quoting me. Dryness is one aspect of conditioning. How do my above statements contradict Peter McGough?
This is you dismissing McGough's claims ( which you said you never did ) now onto your other bullshit claim that you claimed that Ronnie matched Dorian in terms of conditioning which is another flat out lie because here you are typing on more than one occasion Ronnie has better conditioning
"wrong. Dorian was never measured using hydrostatic weighing. So we don't know what his actual subcutaneous fat and water levels were. The best we can do is guess based on visible clues (e.g. separations, striations, cheek bones, etc). Using the aforementioned criteria, 01 ASC Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
"I can say with 100% certainty Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. Ronnie at the 01 ASC displayed all the tell-tale signs of Dorian's level of conditioning and then some.[/b]
"you are correct about one thing. I did say 01 ASC Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. Conditioning refers to body fat and water levels. I never said Ronnie was harder or dryer, which is what Suckmymuscle claimed. Dorian may have looked 'harder' in person. I never saw him compete. So it's hard for me to compare a tactile perception based on pics. However, I can say with 100% certainty that 01 ASC Ronnie had better overall conditioning."
show me where I disagreed with Peter McGough that Ronnie was dryer.
blah blah blah
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
finally, some substance worth responding to in your post. You have a tendency to post a ton of bullshit which makes it difficult to see any decent points you may have made. I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
more blah blah blah
quotes are meaningless if they aren't supported by evidence. However, if you want to bring quotes into this debate then I will fight fire with fire.
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
like ZOMG, Ronnie displayed the best conditioning evaaa!!! :o
Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
http://www.flexonline.com/2008_mr_olympia_prejudging/news/583
you read that ND? Andreas Munzer - not Dorian Yates - is the best conditioned pro of all-time.
so that's two guys from Flex mag who don't think Dorian had the best conditioning ever. ;)
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silvio was dry
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yawn, you make this too easy for me. ::)
learn how to properly use sources. I had to scroll down the page to look for what you're talking about.
okay? I'm not sure what you tried to accomplish by quoting me. Dryness is one aspect of conditioning. How do my above statements contradict Peter McGough?
show me where I disagreed with Peter McGough that Ronnie was dryer.
finally, some substance worth responding to in your post. You have a tendency to post a ton of bullshit which makes it difficult to see any decent points you may have made. I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
quotes are meaningless if they aren't supported by evidence. However, if you want to bring quotes into this debate then I will fight fire with fire.
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
like ZOMG, Ronnie displayed the best conditioning evaaa!!! :o
Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
http://www.flexonline.com/2008_mr_olympia_prejudging/news/583
you read that ND? Andreas Munzer - not Dorian Yates - is the best conditioned pro of all-time.
so that's two guys from Flex mag who don't think Dorian had the best conditioning ever. ;)
Neo you're a liar and you're owned period. I'm done schooling you kid when you're reduced to lying you're not worth the effort of being taken seriously.
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Neo you're a liar and you're owned period. I'm done schooling you kid when you're reduced to lying you're not worth the effort of being taken seriously.
ND, you're a liar and you're owned period. I'm done schooling you kid when you're reduced to lying you're not worth the effort of being taken seriously.
see how that works? Don't cry after I basically tore up your lengthy 'rebuttal.'
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yawn, you make this too easy for me. ::)
learn how to properly use sources. I had to scroll down the page to look for what you're talking about.
okay? I'm not sure what you tried to accomplish by quoting me. Dryness is one aspect of conditioning. How do my above statements contradict Peter McGough?
show me where I disagreed with Peter McGough that Ronnie was dryer.
finally, some substance worth responding to in your post. You have a tendency to post a ton of bullshit which makes it difficult to see any decent points you may have made. I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
quotes are meaningless if they aren't supported by evidence. However, if you want to bring quotes into this debate then I will fight fire with fire.
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
like ZOMG, Ronnie displayed the best conditioning evaaa!!! :o
Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
http://www.flexonline.com/2008_mr_olympia_prejudging/news/583
you read that ND? Andreas Munzer - not Dorian Yates - is the best conditioned pro of all-time.
so that's two guys from Flex mag who don't think Dorian had the best conditioning ever. ;)
finally, some substance worth responding to in your post. You have a tendency to post a ton of bullshit which makes it difficult to see any decent points you may have made. I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
Can you get any more stupid? is this possible? your quote
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
hello McFly you fucking dolt . this shows you're a liar and a hypocrite because ontop of not being able to keep track of your own bullshit you're a hypocrite for dismissing Flex writers when it suits your purposes and flaunt them when they do
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
like ZOMG, Ronnie displayed the best conditioning evaaa!!! :o
I always laugh at your outright stupidity you're a moron you seriously are I hate to break this to you but someone needs to tell you , it was posed as a question, did you miss the QUESTION MARK? and to answer the question yes Dorian was 260 pounds in 1995 with a more muscular , more shredded , higher-quality physique than Ronnie Coleman ;)
Dorian Yates himself a IFBB judge has said on a couple of occasions he was better conditioned than Ronnie Coleman , as usual you have nothing you idiot.
Shawn Perine - 2008 Mr. Olympia Prejudging
"That title belonged to the incredible Silvio Samuel, who may have been the best conditioned pro to take a stage since the late Andreas Munzer."
http://www.flexonline.com/2008_mr_olympia_prejudging/news/583
you read that ND? Andreas Munzer - not Dorian Yates - is the best conditioned pro of all-time.
so that's two guys from Flex mag who don't think Dorian had the best conditioning ever. ;)
LMFAO what a pathetic attempt at diverting the topic at hand , which was YOUR original claim that A) you never disagreed with McGough ( proven a clear lie ) and B) that you never claimed Ronnie was better conditioned just equal ( another proven lie )
another pathetic attempt to divert from the facts , you can't run from me boy I'm a fuck of a lot smarter than you are ;)
owned yet again.
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ND, you're a liar and you're owned period. I'm done schooling you kid when you're reduced to lying you're not worth the effort of being taken seriously.
see how that works? Don't cry after I basically tore up your lengthy 'rebuttal.'
Keep trying to be like me kid , they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ;D ;)
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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david henry has a decent back also
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Can you get any more stupid? is this possible? your quote
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
how does that make me stupid? You posted a f*cking novel of irrelevant crap to which I tore apart paragraph by paragraph. The quote from Peter McGough about nobody surpassing Dorian's conditioning was the only relevant part of your post, and I stuck to my initial claim that Peter is wrong.
hello McFly you fucking dolt . this shows you're a liar and a hypocrite because ontop of not being able to keep track of your own bullshit you're a hypocrite for dismissing Flex writers when it suits your purposes and flaunt them when they do
ha ha, you're so full of shit. I've been championing from the beginning to keep quotes out of this debate and use visual evidence instead. But noooo, your stupid ass insisted on using quotes. So then I decided to fight fire with fire and post every pro-Ronnie quote that I could find. The tides were turned and the quotes in favor of Ronnie outnumbered Dorian's by some ridiculous amount like 6:1. What did you do? Your dumb ass started picking which quotes to accept or ignore. Once again, I decided to fight fire with fire and followed suit. So spare me your lame tirade when you're guilty of being the biggest hypocrite on this board and posting way more bullshit than me.
I always laugh at your outright stupidity you're a moron you seriously are I hate to break this to you but someone needs to tell you , it was posed as a question, did you miss the QUESTION MARK? and to answer the question yes Dorian was 260 pounds in 1995 with a more muscular , more shredded , higher-quality physique than Ronnie Coleman
learn the English language, idiot. The quote is a rhetorical question. He even went into great detail... "more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique." Riiiight, he's just asking a simple question. ::)
LMFAO what a pathetic attempt at diverting the topic at hand , which was YOUR original claim that A) you never disagreed with McGough ( proven a clear lie ) and B) that you never claimed Ronnie was better conditioned just equal ( another proven lie )
another pathetic attempt to divert from the facts , you can't run from me boy I'm a fuck of a lot smarter than you are
wtf are you talking about? You posted a bunch of irrelevant quotes. I was just showing that I can do the same. You posted quotes praising Dorian's conditioning as the best. So I posted a quote saying Ronnie has the best conditioning of all-time and another saying Dorian wasn't the most conditioned bodybuilder ever to counter your quotes.
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how does that make me stupid? You posted a f*cking novel of irrelevant crap to which I tore apart paragraph by paragraph. The quote from Peter McGough about nobody surpassing Dorian's conditioning was the only relevant part of your post, and I stuck to my initial claim that Peter is wrong.
ha ha, you're so full of shit. I've been championing from the beginning to keep quotes out of this debate and use visual evidence instead. But noooo, your stupid ass insisted on using quotes. So then I decided to fight fire with fire and post every pro-Ronnie quote that I could find. The tides were turned and the quotes in favor of Ronnie outnumbered Dorian's by some ridiculous amount like 6:1. What did you do? Your dumb ass started picking which quotes to accept or ignore. Once again, I decided to fight fire with fire and followed suit. So spare me your lame tirade when you're guilty of being the biggest hypocrite on this board and posting way more bullshit than me.
learn the English language, idiot. The quote is a rhetorical question. He even went into great detail... "more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique." Riiiight, he's just asking a simple question. ::)
wtf are you talking about? You posted a bunch of irrelevant quotes. I was just showing that I can do the same. You posted quotes praising Dorian's conditioning as the best. So I posted a quote saying Ronnie has the best conditioning of all-time and another saying Dorian wasn't the most conditioned bodybuilder ever to counter your quotes.
how does that make me stupid? You posted a f*cking novel of irrelevant crap to which I tore apart paragraph by paragraph. The quote from Peter McGough about nobody surpassing Dorian's conditioning was the only relevant part of your post, and I stuck to my initial claim that Peter is wrong.
You didn't tear anything apart , you diverted from the fact you exposed as a liar . the original point is you claimed you never disagreed with McGough ( lie number 1 ) and you never claimed Ronnie was better , just equal in terms of conditioning ( lie number 2 )
ha ha, you're so full of shit. I've been championing from the beginning to keep quotes out of this debate and use visual evidence instead. But noooo, your stupid ass insisted on using quotes. So then I decided to fight fire with fire and post every pro-Ronnie quote that I could find. The tides were turned and the quotes in favor of Ronnie outnumbered Dorian's by some ridiculous amount like 6:1. What did you do? Your dumb ass started picking which quotes to accept or ignore. Once again, I decided to fight fire with fire and followed suit. So spare me your lame tirade when you're guilty of being the biggest hypocrite on this board and posting way more bullshit than me.
more diversion to get away from the original claims
learn the English language, idiot. The quote is a rhetorical question. He even went into great detail... "more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique." Riiiight, he's just asking a simple question. ::)
more nonsense to distance yourself from your lies
wtf are you talking about? You posted a bunch of irrelevant quotes. I was just showing that I can do the same. You posted quotes praising Dorian's conditioning as the best. So I posted a quote saying Ronnie has the best conditioning of all-time and another saying Dorian wasn't the most conditioned bodybuilder ever to counter your quotes.
same as above . this is the bottom line and you're not going to weasel yourself out of
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
you're a liar and a hypocrite
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You didn't tear anything apart , you diverted from the fact you exposed as a liar . the original point is you claimed you never disagreed with McGough ( lie number 1 ) and you never claimed Ronnie was better , just equal in terms of conditioning ( lie number 2 )
you're pathetic. You typed a marathon post to which I exposed how most of it was bullshit. You even acknowledged that it was mostly irrelevant crap b/c your reply was much shorter than your original response.
Neo this is going to hurt
First YOU did disagree with McGough's claim
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.37950
what opinion? My belief that 01 ASC Ronnie was more conditioned than Dorian? Show any medical doctor a pic of both and ask them who looks more shredded and dry. I guarantee you they will all choose Ronnie.
actually, my logic is sound. Medical doctors know more about the human body and the manifestations of low body fat and water levels than someone with an English major writing for a bodybuilding magazine. I don't expect you to understand this seeing as how you struggle with even the simplest concepts.
This is you dismissing McGough's claims ( which you said you never did ) now onto your other bullshit claim that you claimed that Ronnie matched Dorian in terms of conditioning which is another flat out lie because here you are typing on more than one occasion Ronnie has better conditioning
wrong. Dorian was never measured using hydrostatic weighing. So we don't know what his actual subcutaneous fat and water levels were. The best we can do is guess based on visible clues (e.g. separations, striations, cheek bones, etc). Using the aforementioned criteria, 01 ASC Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
I can say with 100% certainty Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. Ronnie at the 01 ASC displayed all the tell-tale signs of Dorian's level of conditioning and then some.
you are correct about one thing. I did say 01 ASC Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. Conditioning refers to body fat and water levels. I never said Ronnie was harder or dryer, which is what Suckmyasshole claimed. Dorian may have looked 'harder' in person. I never saw him compete. So it's hard for me to compare a tactile perception based on pics. However, I can say with 100% certainty that 01 ASC Ronnie had better overall conditioning.
See you can't keep track of your bullshit , but I can now all these quotes are subsequent to the McGough quote which proves unequivocally that you're a liar
I didn't equate McGough with the whole of Team Flex I said you're the same moron who dismissed Flex writers before , which you denied and which I just utterly crushed on the point stands Flex and Their writers are right when you need them to be which makes you a hypocrite which is old news
On two showing you a poll from Flex saying Dorian had the best conditioning of all time , they never did this poll as far as I know but individual writers of Flex have all touched on this topic among others and BTW I don't feel he had the best conditioning of all time
Quote from Julian Schmidt, "FLEX" magazine, on the November issue, 1998:
"Now that Dorian Yates, the thickest, densest and most annealed bodybuider in history has retired, Ronnie has taken the opportunity to become the new stndard-bearer. Something unlikely to have happened, if Dorian still competed."
[ Q ]What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?
Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
First of all, Dorian would bring to the stage a package so massive and freakily conditioned that throughout his career as Mr. Olympia no one would come close to defeating him on size and hardness. His level of development set a new standard in bodybuilding excellence, one that is being favorably looked upon, and replicated by many in the sport, today.
Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.
That's just a few plus here is a poll from bodybuilding.com guess who the winner is?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2
and now moving onto the topic of being a hypocrite , I believe they call that projection , ontop of me exposing you as a hypocrite you can also add liar into the mix
Again to highlight your hypocrisy Flex and it's writers are right when YOU want them to be , but you go to great lengths to dismiss their opinions when it doesn't work for you ( see hypocrite ) and again they prefaced it by saying that many today feel Dorian still has the best back lol it's arguable for you to cling to this one poll shows your desperation , and you never answered my question on what makes this poll right and the one from EliteFitness wrong? their Poll states Dorian has the best back
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
Now a few people who feel Dorian's back was " the thickest & freakiest " as well as the best ever
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Wow Ronnie himself but I'm sure you know more than him too lol
Samir Bannout 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Another Mr Olympia winner with a outstanding back I might add
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates "
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Notice ALL of these quotes are post retirement and coincides with Flex ranking Dorian the best back of the 20th Century which included Ronnie 1998/1999 , so if you think this one poll negates all of this then it shows how desperate and moronic you are . It is very arguable that Dorian and Ronnie have the best back and one Flex Poll doesn't end the debate and hey wait a moment didn't Team Flex state that Joel Stubbs has a better back than Coleman and Yates? lol I'm sure you agree with that too?
Neo you're owned as usual , you made the huge mistake of following me into another thread like the lost puppy you are only to have me rub your nose in your own shit
you're not in my league little man and never will be
compare to
Can you get any more stupid? is this possible? your quote
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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more diversion to get away from the original claims
not really. I was just responding to you. Don't bring up irrelevant material if you consider it a diversion.
more nonsense to distance yourself from your lies
see above.
same as above . this is the bottom line and you're not going to weasel yourself out of
see above.
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My goodness, you two should write a book.
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My goodness, you two should write a book.
Or get a room...
(http://www.plu.edu/%7Eenglish/img/book-thick.jpg)
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not really. I was just responding to you. Don't bring up irrelevant material if you consider it a diversion.
see above.
see above.
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
Cased closed liar ;)
owned ;D
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Peter McGough is fat!
owned ;D
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you're pathetic. You typed a marathon post to which I exposed how most of it was bullshit. You even acknowledged that it was mostly irrelevant crap b/c your reply was much shorter than your original response.
compare to
Ha ha ha I'm pathetic? and you're the one caught in your own lies lol most of the post was your own quotes so you're right when you say ' most of it was bullshit ' I added all the rest to add insult to injury to further rub your nose in your own shit
Bottom line , you're a liar and I busted you ..thanks for playing kid ;D ;)
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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I'm sorry but Peter McGough is a fat idiot!
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ND, where do you think Ronnie's 98 conditioning was comparing to Dorian?
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First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
Cased closed liar
harder or dryer =/= conditioning ;)
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ND, where do you think Ronnie's 98 conditioning was comparing to Dorian?
I've always said Ronnie perhaps matched Dorian's conditioning albeit at his lightest 1998/2001 ac Dorian could maintain that conditioning at higher bodyweights
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harder or dryer =/= conditioning ;)
NeoSeminole = liar ;)
NeoSeminole = hypocrite ;)
NeoSeminole = owned ;)
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NeoSeminole = liar
NeoSeminole = hypocrite
NeoSeminole = owned
yawn ::)
delete your account bro, that is 95
You wanna bet your account?
yes.
page 55 muscle and fitness jan 1996. 1995 mr o converage. pic is top left of the page.
hi nd :o
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yawn ::)
lmmfao this has to do with what? NOTHING this wont save you from your owning ;) this diversion doesn't mean you didn't get stone cold BUSTED lying ;D ;)
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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why are you still posting, brah?
NarcissisticDeity = liar ;)
NarcissisticDeity = hypocrite ;)
NarcissisticDeity = owned ;)
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why are you still posting, brah?
NarcissisticDeity = liar ;)
NarcissisticDeity = hypocrite ;)
NarcissisticDeity = owned ;)
Again imitation is the sincerest form of flattery . I can see you're looking for a way out now , so I'll let you be , you've taken enough of a beating ;)
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Again imitation is the sincerest form of flattery . I can see you're looking for a way out now , so I'll let you be , you've taken enough of a beating
riiiight, I'm so envious of how well you own yourself. Epic delusion. ::)
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riiiight, I'm so envious of how well you own yourself. Epic delusion. ::)
Look I know you're a proud kid ( a man would admit he was obviously wrong ) but I exposed you for being an outright liar and you've done everything to try and divert that and in the end I was right and you were wrong case closed. attacking me doesn't help you in any way . ;)
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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Best back of all time
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was that dorian in 97?
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was that dorian in 97?
Where was Ronnie in 1997? ;) 9th :-X even Nasser beat him
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and yet he still looked better than dorian that year, who was on par with Kovacs.. :'(
thats what blowing Uncle Joe can do for dorian.. :-X
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and yet he still looked better than dorian that year, who was on par with Kovacs.. :'(
thats what blowing Uncle Joe can do for dorian.. :-X
Ronnie had 8 Sandows that's a lot of sucking my dim-witted friend :-X
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Look I know you're a proud kid ( a man would admit he was obviously wrong ) but I exposed you for being an outright liar and you've done everything to try and divert that and in the end I was right and you were wrong case closed. attacking me doesn't help you in any way.
look, I know you're a proud kid (a man would keep his word if he lost a bet) but I exposed you for being an outright liar and you've done everything to try and divert that. Attacking me doesn't help you in any way. ;)
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
you keep reposting this as if it proves something. harder or drier =/= conditioning. Ronnie could have the same dryness but lower body fat than Dorian, which would mean he surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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Joel Stubbs should have been no.1 >:(
Stubbs is overrated in my humble opinion........ Robby and Samir should be in the top 5........ I would also have Tony Pearson up there as well!
These shorter guys have better back development than the 6ft 3in Stubbs. By the way, Stubbs has no symmetry.
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look, I know you're a proud kid (a man would keep his word if he lost a bet) but I exposed you for being an outright liar and you've done everything to try and divert that. Attacking me doesn't help you in any way. ;)
you keep reposting this as if it proves something. harder or drier =/= conditioning. Ronnie could have the same dryness but lower body fat than Dorian, which would mean he surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
look, I know you're a proud kid (a man would keep his word if he lost a bet)
This has absolutely nothing to do with you being busted as a LIAR and I asked if he wanted me to delete my account ...he said NO owned again ;)
you keep reposting this as if it proves something. harder or drier =/= conditioning. Ronnie could have the same dryness but lower body fat than Dorian, which would mean he surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
It proves you're a fucking liar and you have a theory sport now prove it ;) we're not in the business of ' could ' be.... McGough said Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian period. Dorian said he outright had better conditioning than Ronnie period.
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with you being busted as a LIAR and I asked if he wanted me to delete my account ...he said NO owned again
me supposedly being 'busted' has nothing to do with the discussion of best backs. The only reason you keep bringing up irrelevant crap is b/c you have nothing better to work with. You already lost the truce thread and every other thread that turned into Ronnie vs. Dorian. So now you're desperately trying to turn the focus onto me when this topic is about Flex mag's 20 best backs of all-time. I'm simply returning the favor. ;)
It proves you're a fucking liar and you have a theory sport now prove it we're not in the business of ' could ' be.... McGough said Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian period.
wrong, I explained why your post doesn't prove anything. Harder or drier =/= conditioning. Ronnie could have the same dryness but lower body fat than Dorian, which would mean he surpassed Dorian's conditioning. You repeating yourself doesn't make you correct.
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me supposedly being 'busted' has nothing to do with the discussion of best backs. The only reason you keep bringing up irrelevant crap is b/c you have nothing better to work with. You already lost the truce thread and every other thread that turned into Ronnie vs. Dorian. So now you're desperately trying to turn the focus onto me when this topic is about Flex mag's 20 best backs of all-time. I'm simply returning the favor. ;)
wrong, I explained why your post doesn't prove anything. Harder or drier =/= conditioning. Ronnie could have the same dryness but lower body fat than Dorian, which would mean he surpassed Dorian's conditioning. You repeating yourself doesn't make you correct.
me supposedly being 'busted' has nothing to do with the discussion of best backs. The only reason you keep bringing up irrelevant crap is b/c you have nothing better to work with. You already lost the truce thread and every other thread that turned into Ronnie vs. Dorian. So now you're desperately trying to turn the focus onto me when this topic is about Flex mag's 20 best backs of all-time. I'm simply returning the favor. ;)
So let's see... me ( not ) supposedly busting you has nothing to do with the discussion of best backs . Where should I begin? One I was on topic discussing backs with Hulkster , I was on this thread long before YOU showed up ( common trend ) you posted your 03 pics ( fine ) I posted a comment directed at Hulkster and guess what little puppy barked for MY attention? YOU did ;) and then I pointed out the obvious ...you follow me around.
You committed to a lie and I called you on and you've been trying every diversionary tactic to deflect me owing the shit out of you . and you still are bringing up everything totally unrelated to the topic. And I didn't lose any thread I ended the Truce Thread with the words of Ronnie Coleman lol that's the best part , I beat you using your own hero by posting multiple quotes from Ronnie admitting he could not beat Dorian ;) ....now seeing I alone stopped posting in the truce thread , you dummies follow me into every thread looking to equal the score lol even on this topic once again I crush your bullshit using your own hero ;)
wrong, I explained why your post doesn't prove anything. Harder or drier =/= conditioning. Ronnie could have the same dryness but lower body fat than Dorian, which would mean he surpassed Dorian's conditioning. You repeating yourself doesn't make you correct.
lmfao you should heed your own advice by not repeating your own bull shit . my post proves you're a liar period. and again you're making a claim PROVE YOUR CLAIM don't tell me he could have the same dryness but lower bodyfat prove it . follow my lead once again boy , this is how it's done ;)
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
now supplement that with Dorian when asked the question flat out said he had better conditioning than Ronnie and he's an IFBB judge , so now you were busted flat out saying McGough is wrong and as well as an IFBB judge lol
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
This is how we roll kid . now that you got all butt-hurt for being exposed as a liar you want out , run puppy run it's all you can do. ;)
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Stubbs is overrated in my humble opinion........ Robby and Samir should be in the top 5........ I would also have Tony Pearson up there as well!
These shorter guys have better back development than the 6ft 3in Stubbs. By the way, Stubbs has no symmetry.
I agree about Pearson amazing back way ahead of it's time.
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yawn
Delta9mda is on Dorian's side, idiot. And how being wrong about the place where a picture appeared first constitute being owned? It is an honest mistake. It's certainly not as bad as saying you never claimed Ronnie's 2001 ASC conditioning surpassed Dorian's but only matched it, and then when your quote stating Ronnie's 2001 ASC conditioning surpassed Dorian's is posted, you back peddle with semantics to try to avoid your obvious owning. Just sad.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Delta9mda is on Dorian's side, idiot. And how being wrong about the place where a picture appeared first constitute being owned? It is an honest mistake. It's certainly not as bad as saying you never claimed Ronnie's 2001 ASC conditioning surpassed Dorian'but only matched it, and then when your quote stating Ronnie's 2001 ASC conditioning surpassed Dorian's is posted, you back peddle with semantics to try to avoid your obvious owning. Just sad.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
QFT ! Great post !