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Title: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 04:41:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/third-victim-dies-florida-baseball-bat-beating-223223223.html

"ORLANDO Fla. (Reuters) - A third victim in an unexplained beating by a man wielding a baseball bat died on Wednesday"
"According to witnesses and police, Shannon’s boyfriend James Earl Jones, 32, killed the three, then drowned himself in Lake Dora.
Jones’s father told police at the scene that his son was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication"

Some striking similarities to some of the shootings that have taken place.

A mentally unstable individual who is off their meds...

why is no one trying to force background checks on bats?

Why are bats not inherintly evil?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: RRKore on July 16, 2014, 05:01:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/third-victim-dies-florida-baseball-bat-beating-223223223.html

"ORLANDO Fla. (Reuters) - A third victim in an unexplained beating by a man wielding a baseball bat died on Wednesday"
"According to witnesses and police, Shannon’s boyfriend James Earl Jones, 32, killed the three, then drowned himself in Lake Dora.
Jones’s father told police at the scene that his son was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication"

Some striking similarities to some of the shootings that have taken place.

A mentally unstable individual who is off their meds...

why is no one trying to force background checks on bats?

Why are bats not inherintly evil?


Sounds like use of lakes needs to be regulated, too. ;D
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 16, 2014, 05:10:56 PM
I blame our barbaric society for glamorizing sluggers.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: Straw Man on July 16, 2014, 05:13:43 PM
Classic GetBig Logic

IF X can be used to kill someone then it obviously means  that limitations on Y or Z are pointless

Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: Irongrip400 on July 16, 2014, 05:15:36 PM
Classic GetBig Logic

IF X can be used to kill someone then it obviously means  that limitations on Y or Z are pointless



While I usually find myself disliking your posts,  even as a gun owner/advocate, I agree with you here.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 05:20:11 PM
Classic GetBig Logic

IF X can be used to kill someone then it obviously means  that limitations on Y or Z are pointless
LOL come on now straw, you have to see the irony here.

More people die b/c of blunt objects than rifles yet you cant have one incident with a rifle without liberal progressives yelling about how we need to restrict or outright ban them.

Yet there is no outcry at the numerous violent deaths that account for more than gun deaths.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: pedro01 on July 16, 2014, 05:22:05 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/third-victim-dies-florida-baseball-bat-beating-223223223.html

"ORLANDO Fla. (Reuters) - A third victim in an unexplained beating by a man wielding a baseball bat died on Wednesday"
"According to witnesses and police, Shannon’s boyfriend James Earl Jones, 32, killed the three, then drowned himself in Lake Dora.
Jones’s father told police at the scene that his son was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication"

Some striking similarities to some of the shootings that have taken place.

A mentally unstable individual who is off their meds...

why is no one trying to force background checks on bats?

Why are bats not inherintly evil?


If he'd had an assault rifle, it would have been 40.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 05:27:25 PM
If he'd had an assault rifle, it would have been 40.

Hope this helps.
Really???

40???

what makes a rifle an assault rifle pedro?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: whork on July 16, 2014, 05:28:04 PM
If he'd had an assault rifle, it would have been 40.

Hope this helps.


This!!

What do you study Tony?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 16, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
If he'd had an assault rifle, it would have been 40.

Hope this helps.

If if's and but's were candies and nuts my dick would rival a subway footlong.

"If" the victims were carrying they could've prevented this.

I can do that too.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 05:42:21 PM

This!!

What do you study Tony?
whats the difference between a regular rifle and an assault rifle whore?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: whork on July 16, 2014, 05:47:16 PM
whats the difference between a regular rifle and an assault rifle whore?

Thats one weird study Tony.

Are you studying to work in a weapons store?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: whork on July 16, 2014, 05:51:26 PM
If if's and but's were candies and nuts my dick would rival a subway footlong.

"If" the victims were carrying they could've prevented this.

I can do that too.

So why didnt they stop him ?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 05:56:18 PM
Thats one weird study Tony.

Are you studying to work in a weapons store?
thats one weird assault rifle there whore, can i pick that up at walmart?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 16, 2014, 05:58:12 PM
What need does a civilian have for mlb style bats?  >:(
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 16, 2014, 05:59:54 PM
Ok....

#1  Tony obviously didn't return from his hiatus a more knowledgeable person.
#2  Regarding thread title "Is it b/c bats are *too easy to obtain?"  :  No, it's probably because the attacker had a MLB swing.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 16, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
While I usually find myself disliking your posts,  even as a gun owner/advocate, I agree with you here.

You know what I like about reading your posts?  You actually think for yourself and form your own opinions and can articulate them as such.  Even though there are some that I don't agree with, at least I can respect that they are yours and not the usual whining "us vs them" type of party line posts and opinions. 
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 06:13:49 PM
Ok....

#1  Tony obviously didn't return from his hiatus a more knowledgeable person.
#2  Regarding thread title "Is it b/c bats are *too easy to obtain?"  :  No, it's probably because the attacker had a MLB swing.
1. not true sir
2. haha touche
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: whork on July 16, 2014, 06:14:47 PM
thats one weird assault rifle there whore, can i pick that up at walmart?

Nope you cant.

What do you study Tony?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 06:22:26 PM
Nope you cant.

What do you study Tony?
whats the difference between a regular rifle and an assault rifle?
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 16, 2014, 06:22:43 PM
1. not true sir
2. haha touche

Any truth to the rumor you have been gone because you were recovering from the ass whooping a tranny gave you in the Macy's changing room?  I think I saw that on the news.  She/He/It obviously felt insulted that your shoes and belt didn't match.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 16, 2014, 06:26:29 PM
whats the difference between a regular rifle and an assault rifle?

An economic scholar should not be engaging in petty forum squabbles like this, Tone. This is beneath you.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 06:28:47 PM
Any truth to the rumor you have been gone because you were recovering from the ass whooping a tranny gave you in the Macy's changing room?  I think I saw that on the news.  She/He/It obviously felt insulted that your shoes and belt didn't match.
Its true, that man in womans clothing tried to pass himself off as a woman and use their changing room. Like any rational person the ladies thought this was inappropriate and asked him to leave as he was making them uncomfortable. Like the self rightous libtard he was he got an attitude and I tried to calm him down but I didnt see his transgendered homosexual boy/girlfriend and he clobbered me with his big ass coach purse.

good news is that I am suing and my lawyer assures me that they will be put in jail for a hate crime as he yelled you "hetero-fuck" right before hitting me.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 16, 2014, 06:34:53 PM
An economic scholar should not be engaging in petty forum squabbles like this, Tone. This is beneath you.
lol i dont know about scholar but it is fun to play with the trolls from time to time
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 16, 2014, 06:40:57 PM
Hetero fuck.   LOL
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 16, 2014, 07:00:47 PM
President Bush actually allowed the Louisville Slugger ban to stand in place for four years he was in office - and admitted he'd like to continue it.

Bedwetting liberal Barrack Obama owned congress yet we never saw a national bat ban reach the House nor Senate floor for a vote.   Then the repubs tried to elect a guy who had already signed a state bat ban as governor. 

From this, we know liberals love baseball and republicans want to ban bats from those who love baseball.  If you disagree, insult 240, not the facts of the matter because, after all, attacking the messenger is the best way to prove his statement wrong. 
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: SOMEPARTS on July 16, 2014, 08:43:48 PM
Ban bats, then ban lakes.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: Kazan on July 17, 2014, 05:21:59 AM
Perfect example, if someone is going to kill, lack of firearms is not going to stop them.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: whork on July 17, 2014, 07:18:20 AM
Perfect example, if someone is going to kill, lack of firearms is not going to stop them.

Yeah perfect example ::)

Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: Kazan on July 17, 2014, 07:48:02 AM
Yeah perfect example ::)



Fuck off,  people get killed everyday without the use of guns. You stupid bastards don't understand the concept that the gun is a tool, just like a bat or knife. Do you blame cars for causing accidents? Do you blame water if someone drowns? Your irrational fear of guns is idiotic
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on July 17, 2014, 08:04:06 AM
Yeah perfect example ::)



It is a perfect example.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: whork on July 17, 2014, 08:22:50 AM
It is a perfect example.


Only and idiot would see this as an perfect example.

Thats you by the way.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: whork on July 17, 2014, 08:23:55 AM
Fuck off,  people get killed everyday without the use of guns. You stupid bastards don't understand the concept that the gun is a tool, just like a bat or knife. Do you blame cars for causing accidents? Do you blame water if someone drowns? Your irrational fear of guns is idiotic


What a brilliant post ::)
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on July 17, 2014, 08:26:30 AM
Whork blessing us with his massive intellect here  ;D
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: Kazan on July 17, 2014, 08:27:44 AM

What a brilliant post ::)

So you have no rebuttal? Then it is a brilliant post.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: RRKore on July 17, 2014, 08:28:52 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/third-victim-dies-florida-baseball-bat-beating-223223223.html

"ORLANDO Fla. (Reuters) - A third victim in an unexplained beating by a man wielding a baseball bat died on Wednesday"
"According to witnesses and police, Shannon’s boyfriend James Earl Jones, 32, killed the three, then drowned himself in Lake Dora.
Jones’s father told police at the scene that his son was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication"

Some striking similarities to some of the shootings that have taken place.

A mentally unstable individual who is off their meds...

why is no one trying to force background checks on bats?

Why are bats not inherintly evil?


You know, FWIW,  it occurs to me that you'll probably get stopped if you try to carry a bat into certain establishments.  

I say this because I was once prevented from seeing a movie when I was a teen because my friend and I had ridden our skateboards there.  I was fucking pissed that they wouldn't let me in with the skateboard because I "might use it as a weapon".
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 17, 2014, 08:35:29 AM
Only two types of people use guns to murder others.  Cowards and mentally unstable people.  (Not counting military/enforcement/security/etc applications).

Mentally unstable people, whether their mental illness is permanent or temporary (rage, jealousy, fear, chemically altered, etc..), if they want to kill someone, they are going to try to kill someone no matter what.  A gun only facilitates that action.    9 times out of 10, these people will have already cleared the process and obtained guns legally.  Unless some kind of futuristic crystal ball DNA scanning device is invented to accurately predict future crimes by these people, you are not going to be able to restrict their access to guns through stricter gun laws and regulation enforcement.

The other people who use guns are just cowards.  How many drive by stabbings have you heard of?   Take guns away from these individuals and their crime rate will drop drastically because they are just pussies who would never confront someone else in a petty crime effort or bust a knuckle in someone's grill over disrespect or other imagined slights.  A gun is a great equalizer for cowards.  Unfortunately, all the gun laws and restrictions that could ever be passed won't stop these people from getting them because their first crime is usually in obtaining the gun itself.  

Unfortunate situation, but gun control only hurts sane law abiding citizens when they may encounter one of the two examples above. A Catch 22, but there isn't anything that can be done about that.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 17, 2014, 08:44:28 AM
You know, FWIW,  it occurs to me that you'll probably get stopped if you try to carry a bat into certain establishments. 

I say this because I was once prevented from seeing a movie when I was a teen because my friend and I had ridden our skateboards there.  I was fucking pissed that they wouldn't let me in with the skateboard because I "might use it as a weapon".
Don't really see any parallel as plenty of places do not allow guns. Also your right to own a bat is not specifically enumerated in the constitution.
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: tonymctones on July 17, 2014, 08:49:54 AM
Only two types of people use guns to murder others.  Cowards and mentally unstable people.  (Not counting military/enforcement/security/etc applications).

Mentally unstable people, whether their mental illness is permanent or temporary (rage, jealousy, fear, chemically altered, etc..), if they want to kill someone, they are going to try to kill someone no matter what.  A gun only facilitates that action.    9 times out of 10, these people will have already cleared the process and obtained guns legally.  Unless some kind of futuristic crystal ball DNA scanning device is invented to accurately predict future crimes by these people, you are not going to be able to restrict their access to guns through stricter gun laws and regulation enforcement.

The other people who use guns are just cowards.  How many drive by stabbings have you heard of?   Take guns away from these individuals and their crime rate will drop drastically because they are just pussies who would never confront someone else in a petty crime effort or bust a knuckle in someone's grill over disrespect or other imagined slights.  A gun is a great equalizer for cowards.  Unfortunately, all the gun laws and restrictions that could ever be passed won't stop these people from getting them because their first crime is usually in obtaining the gun itself. 

Unfortunate situation, but gun control only hurts sane law abiding citizens when they may encounter one of the two examples above. A Catch 22, but there isn't anything that can be done about that.
I appreciate the honesty in admitting that law abiding citizens are negatively impacted by the gun control laws.

However there is something we can do about it. First your premise that if we keep guns out of the hands of certain individuals the just won't commit those crimes is wrong. It's ignorant to think that bc they don't have a gun they won't rob, rape or murder. Even you admit that the laws passed won't stop them bc criminals don't obey laws.

Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: RRKore on July 17, 2014, 08:54:08 AM
Don't really see any parallel as plenty of places do not allow guns. Also your right to own a bat is not specifically enumerated in the constitution.

Yeah, that's why I put it "FWIW". 

Honestly, I still get a little bit mad in a "skateboarding is not a crime" way about not being let into the theater all those years ago.  (Though I don't even remember what movie was playing, lol.)
Title: Re: 4 dead in assault case with a bat, is it b/c bats are to easy to obtain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 17, 2014, 08:59:16 AM
I appreciate the honesty in admitting that law abiding citizens are negatively impacted by the gun control laws.

However there is something we can do about it. First your premise that if we keep guns out of the hands of certain individuals the just won't commit those crimes is wrong. It's ignorant to think that bc they don't have a gun they won't rob, rape or murder. Even you admit that the laws passed won't stop them bc criminals don't obey laws.



No, but not with the same frequency.  Cowards are not going to try to rob someone at knife point.  Unless they are in a pack or the victim is physically inferior (elderly, etc..)  Which is why I said the rate would drop drastically as opposed to saying it would be completely eliminated.  

Raping someone is a sign of mental illness (to me). &guy, the assertion of dominance, to humiliate, etc..  normal people don't have to feed their emotions in abnormal ways like this.  People don't rape because they are horny.  They may rape because their mental impairment of the above actions feeds into a sexual urge which is usually impulsive.  But no sane and normal person is going to think "gee I am horny and instead of hitting the beach or bar I am just going to rape someone".   Generally the rapist comes across a situation or other "trigger" that sets the impulse off that they act upon.  Which is why I consider them mentally unstable in the first place.