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Did Phosphagen HP have steroids in it when it first came out?
what are your thoughts
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i have heard this asked about a lot of products that were better when they first came out,i think as with lots of products it was better quality wise when first intrduced,then after they started makin money it was all about mass producing at cheapest cost.
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Bill Phillips = huge fraud and big Steroid dealer before the EAS shit so would not be surprised in the least..
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as i mentioned in your other thread, thats what i remember hearing. not hard to see why...even if you take a loss on the first batch, word of mouth spreads. then you sell creatine and sugar for the next two decades at an absurd price. genius, really.
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as i mentioned in your other thread, thats what i remember hearing. not hard to see why...even if you take a loss on the first batch, word of mouth spreads. then you sell creatine and sugar for the next two decades at an absurd price. genius, really.
There was zero regulation on the industry at that time, and considering how bad these snake oil salesmen are I have absolutely no doubts at all. They probably all did shady stuff like this. There are a few good companies out there, but the unfortunately thing is that most supplements aren't worth a 10th of their retail cost. They may work well on paper but in real life they do close to nothing and cost way too much.
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Remember when it first came out along with Phosphagen, you had to open the paint can with a can opener...how things have changed.
BE/SEE/ACT/REAMAIN POSITIVE...GETBIG DEPENDS ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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i'm a huge believer in hmb. so much so when i'm asked if i juice i have to pause before i say "no".
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Bill Phillips = huge fraud and big Steroid dealer before the EAS shit so would not be surprised in the least..
Many marketers were a little more then shady in the 80s and early 90s.
A few old timers swore by "Ultimate Orange". They said it made them strong and put on a good amount of muscle mass in a short period of time. Purportedly, it contained dianabol.
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i'm a huge believer in hmb. so much so when i'm asked if i juice i have pause before i say "no".
;D
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I used to see it in the mags a lot. They must have sold a lot of that stuff to young teens.
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did phosphagen hp have steroids in it?
No
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I doubt it, but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility. A lot of the "pro-hormones" out back then were actually just orals. I used this stuff from ISS 19-nor-andro and 4-beta-diol and if they were not fucking nandrolone and dbol then I don't know what they were!
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There was zero regulation on the industry at that time, and considering how bad these snake oil salesmen are I have absolutely no doubts at all. They probably all did shady stuff like this. There are a few good companies out there, but the unfortunately thing is that most supplements aren't worth a 10th of their retail cost. They may work well on paper but in real life they do close to nothing and cost way too much.
"There are a few good companies out there, but the unfortunately thing is that most supplements aren't worth a 10th of their retail cost. They may work well on paper but in real life they do close to nothing and cost way too much."...Agreed
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the best natural I have ever seen has never used anything except EAS phosphagen and he seriously looks like he is juiced to the gills but swears that is all he takes and I believe him as he does not know shit about roids and hates steroid users. he also hates rec drugs. this dude has more people ask him for advice when he works out a hour workout takes him like 1.5 hr workout so many people ask him questions. all he does is lift everyday. never been to the gym between 4PM and 6Pm and have not seen him there and he is there on the weekends too. I asked him about steroids and he said he had a friend try anadrol and had a bad experience the guy got sick in like 2 days he thinks gear is for the weak. I dont agree with alot of what he says but he definately owns everybody in the gym ,just off of EAS phosphagen , multivitamins and a post workout meal replacement product made by EAS. He looks like he is on HGH , Tren, EQ and Test prop but in actuality he is clean. I cant prove he is clean but after knowing him for 10 years I do believe he is clean,he is not the lying type. He just works out harder than anybody in the gym. I admit he works out harder than me. spends more time in the gym thats for sure he dosn't even take one day off. maybe there was steroids in that phosphagen because I cant believe this dude looks so jacked and thats the shit he uses.if it dosn't have steroids in it has to be a great product works magic for this dude I know.
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the best natural I have ever seen has never used anything except EAS phosphagen and he seriously looks like he is juiced to the gills but swears that is all he takes and I believe him as he does not know shit about roids and hates steroid users. he also hates rec drugs. this dude has more people ask him for advice when he works out a hour workout takes him like 1.5 hr workout so many people ask him questions. all he does is lift everyday. never been to the gym between 4PM and 6Pm and have not seen him there and he is there on the weekends too. I asked him about steroids and he said he had a friend try anadrol and had a bad experience the guy got sick in like 2 days he thinks gear is for the weak. I dont agree with alot of what he says but he definately owns everybody in the gym ,just off of EAS phosphagen , multivitamins and a post workout meal replacement product made by EAS. He looks like he is on HGH , Tren, EQ and Test prop but in actuality he is clean. I cant prove he is clean but after knowing him for 10 years I do believe he is clean,he is not the lying type. He just works out harder than anybody in the gym. I admit he works out harder than me. spends more time in the gym thats for sure he dosn't even take one day off. maybe there was steroids in that phosphagen because I cant believe this dude looks so jacked and thats the shit he uses.if it dosn't have steroids in it has to be a great product works magic for this dude I know.
These hard workers are the first to realize they will never look good without AAS, you live in USA steroids are very common i bet 99% of the gyms have at least 1 person who's using AAS and as for the look you described on him there is no way he's clean and probably just using what you mentioned..
I know a guy that look like he's juicing, but im sure he's clean just because he simply doesn't care much he is working out about twice a week in a good week, and when he does workout he will talk on the phone every few mins.
He barely eats because he doesn't have enough money nor time for stable diet, he can't commit to AAS simply because he doesn't have his own place he's rotating between his gf's apartments, he's training form isn't strict at all (he will take the heaviest DB's for curls and will use everything but the arms to keep on with the movement)
One time i asked him if he want to take it more srsly and compete, but i told him the he will need to take AAS at some point so he said " Hell no i don't want my dick to shrink"
and you know what ? with all of the above he looks better than 95% of the gym rats i see around and he 's growing and getting stronger constantly.
Still even with he's good genetics he does not have any 3d look, hell is less than 200lb on over 6ft and im sure that fixing his diet, training, routine etc... will only take him this far, yet he will never look like the 'natural competitors' lairs mentioned on GB every week.
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There was zero regulation on the industry at that time, and considering how bad these snake oil salesmen are I have absolutely no doubts at all. They probably all did shady stuff like this. There are a few good companies out there, but the unfortunately thing is that most supplements aren't worth a 10th of their retail cost. They may work well on paper but in real life they do close to nothing and cost way too much.
Whats shady about working within the regulations and laws of the time? A seasoned supplement user knows what to spend and what not to spend money on.
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I doubt it, but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility. A lot of the "pro-hormones" out back then were actually just orals. I used this stuff from ISS 19-nor-andro and 4-beta-diol and if they were not fucking nandrolone and dbol then I don't know what they were!
I'll tell you something- about 2 years after I started working out I did the tribulus/dhea/androstendeone stack from EAS. looking back I felt a lot then like I do now when I'm using anavar.
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I used phosphagen as soon as it came out. The first month, i used to get such intense cramps on my calves, from walking on the street, that i literally had to stop walking and take a break. I also put on 9lbs of bodyweight in the first 10days. I still take Creatine but from any brand. I feel it after a few days but never like it was in those days.
If they had steroids in them then consider me a big time juicer.
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i'm a huge believer in hmb. so much so when i'm asked if i juice i have to pause before i say "no".
;D ;D ;D
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I used phosphagen as soon as it came out. The first month, i used to get such intense cramps on my calves, from walking on the street, that i literally had to stop walking and take a break. I also put on 9lbs of bodyweight in the first 10days. I still take Creatine but from any brand. I feel it after a few days but never like it was in those days.
If they had steroids in them then consider me a big time juicer.
same here i got intense pumps in my arms it seemed unnatural :-\
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Phosphagen had a tremendous amount of marketing behind it (MetRx was the marketing model for all EAS products that came after it). I don't think phosphagen contained roids, but I am 99% sure the first few batches of 'Hot Stuff' did.
I also feel that 'Ultimate Orange' contained special ingredient(s).
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Original Ultimate Orange contined ephedrine and was like taking Speed. You were alert for 48 hours at a time and desperate to train. It had several ingredients banned by the IOC. In the UK it was a "grey" suppliment available in the old Weider shops for a while before being banned completely.
The new version which replaced it was junk.
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Original Ultimate Orange contined ephedrine and was like taking Speed. You were alert for 48 hours at a time and desperate to train. It had several ingredients banned by the IOC. In the UK it was a "grey" suppliment available in the old Weider shops for a while before being banned completely.
The new version which replaced it was junk.
I remember one of our huge lineman a beast of a man was constantly drinking that ultimate orange crap. He almost had a heartattack during one of our two a day practices. We were running hills and he past out and was having a hard time breathing.
I took all that creatine crap it never did anything for me. Ten mg of dbol a day is better than that garbage.
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I remember one of our huge lineman a beast of a man was constantly drinking that ultimate orange crap. He almost had a heartattack during one of our two a day practices. We were running hills and he past out and was having a hard time breathing.
I took all that creatine crap it never did anything for me. Ten mg of dbol a day is better than that garbage.
there ya go,,,
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I used phosphagen as soon as it came out. The first month, i used to get such intense cramps on my calves, from walking on the street, that i literally had to stop walking and take a break. I also put on 9lbs of bodyweight in the first 10days. I still take Creatine but from any brand. I feel it after a few days but never like it was in those days.
If they had steroids in them then consider me a big time juicer.
That shit was like 80 dollars when it first came out but that the best creatine I've ever used. You could feel yourself pumping up. Very noticeable in the shoulder and traps on me. Never had that reaction again even with the "German" creatine they used to push so heavily.
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That shit was like 80 dollars when it first came out but that the best creatine I've ever used. You could feel yourself pumping up. Very noticeable in the shoulder and traps on me. Never had that reaction again even with the "German" creatine they used to push so heavily.
I doubt Phosphagen HP had steroids in it.
Most people who load with creatine for the first time (especially a product like Phoshagen HP) would think it's the second coming. When I loaded with it, I put on 7 lbs. in a week and 12 lbs in two and a half weeks.
I have not replicated those results since then, not with Phosphagen HP or any other creatine product.
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I doubt Phosphagen HP had steroids in it.
Most people who load with creatine for the first time (especially a product like Phoshagen HP) would think it's the second coming. When I loaded with it, I put on 7 lbs. in a week and 12 lbs in two and a half weeks.
I have not replicated those results since then, not with Phosphagen HP or any other creatine product.
true,,after that any other gains is a bit of water fullness,placebo rep or two increase here and there,,all could be contributed to better rest,food,simple carb before gym,ect,,,only proven thing to increase physical mass 'drugs'
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There was a rumor back in the day that "Hot Stuff' had D-Bol in it.........I doubt it did though
Who here remembers "Hot Stuff" ?
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There was a rumor back in the day that "Hot Stuff' had D-Bol in it.........I doubt it did though
Who here remembers "Hot Stuff" ?
was orange flavored quick sand,,,the bars were worse could be used as calking or grout for tile work.
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was orange flavored quick sand,,,the bars were worse could be used as calking or grout for tile work.
A lot of the shit back then was like fucking spackle!! ;D
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the best natural I have ever seen has never used anything except EAS phosphagen and he seriously looks like he is juiced to the gills but swears that is all he takes and I believe him as he does not know shit about roids and hates steroid users. he also hates rec drugs. this dude has more people ask him for advice when he works out a hour workout takes him like 1.5 hr workout so many people ask him questions. all he does is lift everyday. never been to the gym between 4PM and 6Pm and have not seen him there and he is there on the weekends too. I asked him about steroids and he said he had a friend try anadrol and had a bad experience the guy got sick in like 2 days he thinks gear is for the weak. I dont agree with alot of what he says but he definately owns everybody in the gym ,just off of EAS phosphagen , multivitamins and a post workout meal replacement product made by EAS. He looks like he is on HGH , Tren, EQ and Test prop but in actuality he is clean. I cant prove he is clean but after knowing him for 10 years I do believe he is clean,he is not the lying type. He just works out harder than anybody in the gym. I admit he works out harder than me. spends more time in the gym thats for sure he dosn't even take one day off. maybe there was steroids in that phosphagen because I cant believe this dude looks so jacked and thats the shit he uses.if it dosn't have steroids in it has to be a great product works magic for this dude I know.
(https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/c4dc2c9b6509ed4cfa3dfe857de608f3/p/h/phosphagen-400x600.jpg)
Great post. Now that EAS is no longer around, Phosphagen is once again available through Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals.
Where is White Widow these days? One of the better posters on Getbig.
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Phosphagen was one of the few creatine products my body responded to.
The original blue Tribex from Biotest made me stronger in a very short period of time.
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There was a rumor back in the day that "Hot Stuff' had D-Bol in it.........I doubt it did though
Who here remembers "Hot Stuff" ?
Me. Loved the stuff and it was one of the few supps that tasted good. Loved Ultimate Orange (the original methy stuff) but it tasted like kerosene and you were wired for the rest of the day.
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Did Phosphagen HP have steroids in it when it first came out?
what are your thoughts
I don't know if it had steroids in it but I'm pretty sure it had laxatives in it. I never had diarrhea in my life like on that shit.
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Methoxy Pro protein was the best shit I ever used for MRP. But methyl 1 test for strength and size there was no substitute, as far as a legal supplement goes.
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I doubt Phosphagen HP had steroids in it.
Most people who load with creatine for the first time (especially a product like Phoshagen HP) would think it's the second coming. When I loaded with it, I put on 7 lbs. in a week and 12 lbs in two and a half weeks.
I have not replicated those results since then, not with Phosphagen HP or any other creatine product.
Agreed on the creatine gains. The first time you could really feel something working and could see changes in a few days. Never had gains with creatine that good or even close ever again.
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Duchaine worked with Phillips and said supplements at that time were initially spiked with dbol - cheaper than the supplement ingredients themselves.
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There was zero regulation on the industry at that time, and considering how bad these snake oil salesmen are I have absolutely no doubts at all. They probably all did shady stuff like this. There are a few good companies out there, but the unfortunately thing is that most supplements aren't worth a 10th of their retail cost. They may work well on paper but in real life they do close to nothing and cost way too much.
Good post! Only in my opinion the today's sups have value. For example time proven creatine and nitric oxide also.
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sustanon 250 redi-ject has always been a top supplement.
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Hell I remember when superdrol came out, it was suppose to be the next best thing since M1T became banned, they announce that superdrol HAD NO SIDE EFFECT, and was not liver toxic at all lol. And the direction on bottles was, take 1-3 caps per day, 90 caps per bottle, thats all it said
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Duchaine worked with Phillips and said supplements at that time were initially spiked with dbol - cheaper than the supplement ingredients themselves.
I heard that too. Is dbol still available?
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The original Met rx was supposed to be spiked then they signed Kiana Tom and there was no need for chicanery with her on board.
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Did Phosphagen HP have steroids in it when it first came out?
what are your thoughts
No.
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Two words
The first is HOT
The second is STUFF
There you go
Jus' Sayin'
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These hard workers are the first to realize they will never look good without AAS, you live in USA steroids are very common i bet 99% of the gyms have at least 1 person who's using AAS and as for the look you described on him there is no way he's clean and probably just using what you mentioned..
I know a guy that look like he's juicing, but im sure he's clean just because he simply doesn't care much he is working out about twice a week in a good week, and when he does workout he will talk on the phone every few mins.
He barely eats because he doesn't have enough money nor time for stable diet, he can't commit to AAS simply because he doesn't have his own place he's rotating between his gf's apartments, he's training form isn't strict at all (he will take the heaviest DB's for curls and will use everything but the arms to keep on with the movement)
One time i asked him if he want to take it more srsly and compete, but i told him the he will need to take AAS at some point so he said " Hell no i don't want my dick to shrink"
and you know what ? with all of the above he looks better than 95% of the gym rats i see around and he 's growing and getting stronger constantly.
Still even with he's good genetics he does not have any 3d look, hell is less than 200lb on over 6ft and im sure that fixing his diet, training, routine etc... will only take him this far, yet he will never look like the 'natural competitors' lairs mentioned on GB every week.
I personally have had the same experience, only with Hot Stuff and not Phosphagen.
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:D
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The original Met rx was supposed to be spiked then they signed Kiana Tom and there was no need for chicanery with her on board.
The original Met-Rx was split into two formulas: Met-Rx Plus and Met-Rx Base. Lee Labrada sang the praises of this product after winning a couple of pro shows back in 1992.
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There was zero regulation on the industry at that time, and considering how bad these snake oil salesmen are I have absolutely no doubts at all. They probably all did shady stuff like this. There are a few good companies out there, but the unfortunately thing is that most supplements aren't worth a 10th of their retail cost. They may work well on paper but in real life they do close to nothing and cost way too much.
Gaspari did it too remember? With supadrol I think it was.
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Gaspari did it too remember? With supadrol I think it was.
see reply 45 above.
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i'm a huge believer in hmb. so much so when i'm asked if i juice i have to pause before i say "no".
You mean you don’t tell them that it feels like ur on Deca?
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Hell I remember when superdrol came out, it was suppose to be the next best thing since M1T became banned, they announce that superdrol HAD NO SIDE EFFECT, and was not liver toxic at all lol. And the direction on bottles was, take 1-3 caps per day, 90 caps per bottle, thats all it said
Guys on the Bodybuilding.com message boards were saying that it sent their cholesterol through the roof.
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Ultimate Orange original would completely dissolve when you used a spoon to stir it in water, except for these little tiny "seed" things floating in it. The formula once it was mysteriously changed didn't dissolve very much, instead it clumped up and there were no "seeds" in it. The rumor that it had dbol in it was because it flat out worked. However, I don't think it was dbol, I think it was one of the very first products to use a prohormone base (possibly tbol)
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Ultimate Orange original would completely dissolve when you used a spoon to stir it in water, except for these little tiny "seed" things floating in it. The formula once it was mysteriously changed didn't dissolve very much, instead it clumped up and there were no "seeds" in it. The rumor that it had dbol in it was because it flat out worked. However, I don't think it was dbol, I think it was one of the very first products to use a prohormone base (possibly tbol)
Pretty sure the original Ultimate Orange had meth in it.
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Pretty sure the original Ultimate Orange had meth in it.
I don't know. Lots of paramedics I know used it. They are drug tested pretty regular.
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I don't think Ultimate Orange had anything spiking it, it was just way overdosed. I found a medical study of over the counter ephedra products, and it was something like 2 - 2.5x the labeled dosage which was already high. I remember buying it in the 90's, and it was just like someone poured a ton of open Diet Fuel capsules into Tang.
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The Ultimate Orange label recipe -
Ultimate Orange -
Carbohydrates - 16g
Protein - 25g
MaHuang shooting for a standardization of 8% - 415mg (about 33mg of Ephedrine)
Caffeine was around 300mg in the form of Gurana.
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Journal of Analytical Toxicology, Vol. 28, April 2004
Concentrations of Ephedra Alkaloids and Caffeine in
Commercial Dietary Supplements
That's the study I mentioned.
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Ultimate Orange was strong. Remember using it in 98 or so. You were never going to have a weak workout on that.
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The phospagen hp came in a fruit punch flavor and also a vanilla and chocolate. My arms were achy and felt water logged superpumped with stretch marks lol
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I never had a chance to take it
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Many marketers were a little more then shady in the 80s and early 90s.
A few old timers swore by "Ultimate Orange". They said it made them strong and put on a good amount of muscle mass in a short period of time. Purportedly, it contained dianabol.
Ultimate orange-loved that shit! The old formula anyway.
Guys i ran a max muscle for several years and let me tell you price wise retail markup starts at 80% we were paying 8-10$ for a box of halodrol or tren extreme (much less when products were discontinued or close to expiring) and selling for 85$ all day long (when products would get banned we would get 150 each all day.)
I have since walked away from the supp industry in general. You hardly get your moneys worth even buying online.
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Phosphagen hp and cell tech were amazing i have stretch marks to this day i put weight on so fast taking them. And that was YEARS ago.
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How did Gasprari get away with doing it?
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Lol I took Phosphagen HP when I was first starting out .. that was great but I can't remember what the listed ingredients were now
I took Ultimate Orange one time before a football game and damn near crapped my pants. God that stuff was rough!!
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Lol I took Phosphagen HP when I was first starting out .. that was great but I can't remember what the listed ingredients were now
I took Ultimate Orange one time before a football game and damn near crapped my pants. God that stuff was rough!!
The first time I took Ultimate Orange I crushed my previous bench record so hard I had to check the weights to make sure I counted the plates right. I think I was as close to a psychotic break as a person can get and my heart was beating out of my chest. Crazy shit.
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The first time I took Ultimate Orange I crushed my previous bench record so hard I had to check the weights to make sure I counted the plates right. I think I was as close to a psychotic break as a person can get and my heart was beating out of my chest. Crazy shit.
That sounds about right. When I used it in 1996, it made my right arm wiggle and twitch involuntarily. I used to take a nap on the bus, going to the gym. But, with UO, my arm would feel cold and wiggle on its own. By the time I got to the gym, I had a massive headache. It felt as if someone was squeezing my head, while blasting me in the face with a hair-dryer.
I didn't want to throw it away (especially considering how much it cost back then); but, I could hardly take using it. It may have taken me two months to get rid of it.
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The phospagen hp came in a fruit punch flavor and also a vanilla and chocolate. My arms were achy and felt water logged superpumped with stretch marks lol
I think you have the products mixed up. Phosphagen HP was the creatine drink that tasted like Kool-Aid, just creatine and dextrose. PhosphaGAIN was the protein powder (milk-and-egg based) with creatine in it. That mess cost $80 back in the day. Now, you can get protein powder with creatine from Wal-Mart for $10-$15.
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That sounds about right. When I used it in 1996, it made my right arm wiggle and twitch involuntarily. I used to take a nap on the bus, going to the gym. But, with UO, my arm would feel cold and wiggle on its own. By the time I got to the gym, I had a massive headache. It felt as if someone was squeezing my head, while blasting me in the face with a hair-dryer.
I didn't want to throw it away (especially considering how much it cost back then); but, I could hardly take using it. It may have taken me two months to get rid of it.
I cut my dosage in half after that first time.
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I think you have the products mixed up. Phosphagen HP was the creatine drink that tasted like Kool-Aid, just creatine and dextrose. PhosphaGAIN was the protein powder (milk-and-egg based) with creatine in it. That mess cost $80 back in the day. Now, you can get protein powder with creatine from Wal-Mart for $10-$15.
I think it was grape flavored and tasted really good especially for supplements.
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Best tasting protein powder back in the day was the Triple Threat that Paul (George Spellwin) released over on Elitefitness. That tasted exactly like yoohoo chocolate drinks. Thing was, that the sugar content was wayyyyyyyyy higher than the label claimed. Had a big scandal over it with the members.
And what was the vanilla protein powder that came in the metal can, you had to open with a can opener? It was super sweet like drinking vanilla extract and milk. It was either the cybergenics protein powder brand or that brand that had the little molecule on the label (Optibal or something like that)
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I think it was grape flavored and tasted really good especially for supplements.
The first time I used it, I got the fruit-punch. That was $60 back then. Now, it's $15 at Wal-Mart.
Although, as you may remember, I used to get the big 7-lb jugs of CELL-TECH on clearance (in the mid-2000s) for $16. ;D
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The first time I used it, I got the fruit-punch. That was $60 back then. Now, it's $15 at Wal-Mart.
Although, as you may remember, I used to get the big 7-lb jugs of CELL-TECH on clearance (in the mid-2000s) for $16. ;D
If I remember right, before Phosphagen HP came out Bill Phillips was telling people to take grape juice with creatine because it was delivered faster to the cells (I guess because of the sugar). I took their advice until HP came out and just took the grape flavor.
After taking CELL-TECH I'm surprised I couldn't qualify for the Olympia that year with the 9,678,578,983.997% better absorption rate.
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Best tasting protein powder back in the day was the Triple Threat that Paul (George Spellwin) released over on Elitefitness. That tasted exactly like yoohoo chocolate drinks. Thing was, that the sugar content was wayyyyyyyyy higher than the label claimed. Had a big scandal over it with the members.
And what was the vanilla protein powder that came in the metal can, you had to open with a can opener? It was super sweet like drinking vanilla extract and milk. It was either the cybergenics protein powder brand or that brand that had the little molecule on the label (Optibal or something like that)
OH MAN!! I can't quite remember the name of that product. But, I've seen it before, in my old magazines.
As for me, the best-tasting protein powder I've had is a toss-up, between the old Meso-Tech from MuscleTech (strawberry) and the Strawberry-Milkshake flavor of Optimum Nutrition's Nitro Core 24.
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If I remember right, before Phosphagen HP came out Bill Phillips was telling people to take grape juice with creatine because it was delivered faster to the cells (I guess because of the sugar). I took their advice until HP came out and just took the grape flavor.
Yep. Plus, grape juice helped mask the gritty and bitter taste of creatine. Grape juice is 60% dextrose; so it made sense, at the time.
After taking CELL-TECH I'm surprised I couldn't qualify for the Olympia that year with the 9,678,578,983.997% better absorption rate.
Well, the late Greg Kovacs took it too. You could have, AT LEAST, won the Universe, though!! ;D
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Yep. Plus, grape juice helped mask the gritty and bitter taste of creatine. Grape juice is 60% dextrose; so it made sense, at the time.
Well, the late Greg Kovacs took it too. You could have, AT LEAST, won the Universe, though!! ;D
The first time I took creatine was early in the morning before work and it was with grape juice. Before I got to work I knew I was in trouble. I spent half the day in the shitter. No one told me diarrhea was a possible side effect.
By the full page ads in the magazines we all should have been 400 lbs of ripped muscle. Planet Earth should have had a new breed of human in bodybuilders who took CELL-TECH.
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OH MAN!! I can't quite remember the name of that product. But, I've seen it before, in my old magazines.
As for me, the best-tasting protein powder I've had is a toss-up, between the old Meso-Tech from MuscleTech (strawberry) and the Strawberry-Milkshake flavor of Optimum Nutrition's Nitro Core 24.
Actually, right after typing my previous post, I went online and tried to find old issues online of Flex or Musclemag International to look the product up in the ads. I couldn't find anything. Tried the pirate bay as well.
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The first time I took creatine was early in the morning before work and it was with grape juice. Before I got to work I knew I was in trouble. I spent half the day in the shitter. No one told me diarrhea was a possible side effect.
By the full page ads in the magazines we all should have been 400 lbs of ripped muscle. Planet Earth should have had a new breed of human in bodybuilders who took CELL-TECH.
You only get the mega-gains the first time you load with it. I'm an ectomorph; I only expected to be 300 lbs of ripped muscle. ;D
But, I am having fun, attempting to replicate old MuscleTech supplements from the late 90s and early 2000s. Cell-Tech, Acetabolan, and Anotesten are easy (now that the primary ingredients are dirt cheap these days).
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OH MAN!! I can't quite remember the name of that product. But, I've seen it before, in my old magazines.
As for me, the best-tasting protein powder I've had is a toss-up, between the old Meso-Tech from MuscleTech (strawberry) and the Strawberry-Milkshake flavor of Optimum Nutrition's Nitro Core 24.
metabolol?
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Remember some pro claimed he ate nothing but metabolol leading up to his show where he turned pro
The same pro died a while back what was his name
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Curtis leffler was his name
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https://pin.it/dLnqR73 (https://pin.it/dLnqR73)
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metabolol?
I think that's the one.
Lurker, did it look something like this?
(http://www.innit.com/public/products/images/00027692110602-G3iGxS8WXDlAApHW-en-US-0_s500.jpg)
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THIS IS IT!!!
https://www.pinterest.cl/pin/503840277042736823/
The small can in vanilla flavor. That tasted like you put a spoonful of vanilla extract in whole milk. It was so good!
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THIS IS IT!!!
https://www.pinterest.cl/pin/503840277042736823/
The small can in vanilla flavor. That tasted like you put a spoonful of vanilla extract in whole milk. It was so good!
I remember that product. It was a weight gainer. In fact, Cybergenics came up with a gourmet line, with flavors like:
Blueberry Cheesecake
Strawberry Cheesecake
Rum Raisin
Peanut Butter Banana
Mint Chocolate Chip.
There were 9 of them. But I can't remember the rest. It's on the back of one of my favorite magazines from 1994. Actually, for a weight gainer, it had a lot more protein than its contemporaries (2:1 carb-to-protein ratio, in an era when that ration was 5:1 or 6:1...or even higher). The bulk of that protein was soy, which made those "gourmet" flavors even more interesting.
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Got to try Doc's Formula. drbaileyproducts.com
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Many marketers were a little more then shady in the 80s and early 90s.
A few old timers swore by "Ultimate Orange". They said it made them strong and put on a good amount of muscle mass in a short period of time. Purportedly, it contained dianabol.
Ultimate Orange was the BEST....I remember taking that at home, and then drove to the gym, but got stuck in traffic....talk about ROAD RAGE!!!