Kristol on last night's debate/GOP field: "Yikes"WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!"

[Dos Equis]

That was not the point; everything needs to be cut, defence, entitlements, everything but conservatives only think that entitlements should be cut and liberals think only defence should get cut. There are lots of military people who think there is too much waste in military spending and the Iraq and Afghan wars have accelerated the debt problems; solve them? not but it would help a lot and there is no denying that.

Yes, that was the point.  HH made this comment:

Our long term debt problems will neither be fixed by ending these wars or cutting defense.

I agreed with him:

Agree.

You then came in with a comment about starting more wars:

Cool, let's fight even more wars then, after all, like Cheney said, deficits don't matter...

Defence spending and wars are costs that are not actually part of the debt, that's good to know.

I have previously said I don't have a problem with cutting defense spending so long as it doesn't compromise national security or mess with pay and benefits. 

But defense isn't the problem.  It's 25 percent of federal spending.  Even if we cut it in half it wouldn't solve, or come close to solving our problems. 

[Hugo Chavez]

[Dos Equis]

Even Jon Stewart did a good job of proving there is a move by the media to exclude the guy.  The only person I see with a CT here is you.  Your theory is that a very small group of people are able to fund the hell out of Paul and able to sway every internet poll and many straw polls lol...

My theory is that his support is a mile wide and an inch deep.  That's what election day shows.  He dominates online polls after every debate, but stays at about 7 or 8 percent nationally.  

How can he win the nomination if he's unable to carry Texas?  

[Deicide]

Yes, that was the point.  HH made this comment:


I agreed with him:


You then came in with a comment about starting more wars:


I have previously said I don't have a problem with cutting defense spending so long as it doesn't compromise national security or mess with pay and benefits. 

But defense isn't the problem.  It's 25 percent of federal spending.  Even if we cut it in half it wouldn't solve, or come close to solving our problems. 

So only entitlements should be cut according to you?

[Dos Equis]

So only entitlements should be cut according to you?

Never said that. 

We should start with "waste, fraud, and abuse."  We should cut or eliminate federal departments/agencies that are inefficient and unnecessary.  I'd actually start with the IRS.   

[Deicide]

Never said that. 

We should start with "waste, fraud, and abuse."  We should cut or eliminate federal departments/agencies that are inefficient and unnecessary.  I'd actually start with the IRS.   

You want to get rid of the Infernal Revenue Service? wow! why would you want to that?

[Dos Equis]

You want to get rid of the Infernal Revenue Service? wow! why would you want to that?

Cut, not eliminate.  I like Cain's tax idea.  I like Huntsman's.  I like Steve Forbes' idea of a flat tax.  If we dramatically changed our tax structure, we wouldn't need the mounds of IRS rules, the plethora of agents, etc.  That's definitely one department that is too big.   

I'm pretty sure 33 posted something about all of the IRS agents we'll have to hire if Obamacare gets implemented.  Crazy. 

[Deicide]

Cut, not eliminate.  I like Cain's tax idea.  I like Huntsman's.  I like Steve Forbes' idea of a flat tax.  If we dramatically changed our tax structure, we wouldn't need the mounds of IRS rules, the plethora of agents, etc.  That's definitely one department that is too big.   

I'm pretty sure 33 posted something about all of the IRS agents we'll have to hire if Obamacare gets implemented.  Crazy. 

I suppose that was hoping too much.

[Soul Crusher]

Cut, not eliminate.  I like Cain's tax idea.  I like Huntsman's.  I like Steve Forbes' idea of a flat tax.  If we dramatically changed our tax structure, we wouldn't need the mounds of IRS rules, the plethora of agents, etc.  That's definitely one department that is too big.   

I'm pretty sure 33 posted something about all of the IRS agents we'll have to hire if Obamacare gets implemented.  Crazy. 

16,000 new agents to enforce mengeleCare

[Soul Crusher]

A No Confidence Vote in Orlando [Kristol: Cain Vote Just Means "None of The Above"]
Weekly Standard ^ | September 24, 2011 | WILLIAM KRISTOL
Posted on September 24, 2011 8:33:36 PM EDT by Steelfish

A No Confidence Vote in Orlando SEP 24, 2011 • BY WILLIAM KRISTOL

Having watched the debate Thursday night, and having heard the candidates speak and having mingled with them over the subsequent couple of days, 70 percent of the activists attending the Florida Republican gathering this weekend cast a vote of no confidence in the two GOP frontrunners.

So, with all the usual caveats about not over-interpreting straw polls, I’d suggest:

1. There is resistance to both Rick Perry (15 percent) and Mitt Romney (14 percent). Perry’s poor debate performance hurt him—but it doesn’t seem to have redounded to Mitt Romney’s benefit. Perhaps neither Perry nor Romney will end up as the nominee. After all, the two GOP frontrunners in national polls in late September 2007 were Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson. The Democratic frontrunners in a Gallup poll on September 24, 2003 were Wesley Clark and Howard Dean.

2. Herman Cain (37 percent) will obviously get a new, more serious look. Still, with all due respect to Cain, to some degree voting for him is voting for none of the above.

(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...






Lmfao!!!!   Wwwwaaahhhhhhhhhh.

[andreisdaman]

Kristol is one to talk about sounding crazy lol...  for years he did nothing but push crazy and spearhead the neoconservative propaganda campaign on the people.

Agreed,,,,I like him personally and I have read his columns.....I used to actually agree with a lot of stuff that he espoused but he started to really drift more and more to the right and started sounding crazy on FOX news....although in all fairness FOX news seems to have that affect on people

[andreisdaman]

Special Editorial: Yikes

William Kristol

September 23, 2011 9:22 AM

THE WEEKLY STANDARD’s official reaction to last night’s Republican presidential debate: Yikes.

Reading the reactions of thoughtful commentators after the stage emptied, talking with conservative policy types and GOP political operatives later last evening and this morning, we know we’re not alone. Most won’t express publicly just how horrified—or at least how demoralized—they are. After all, they still want to beat Obama—as do we. And they want to get along with the possible nominee and the other candidates and their supporters. They don’t want to rock the boat too much. But maybe the GOP presidential boat needs rocking.

The e-mails flooding into our inbox during the evening were less guarded. Early on, we received this missive from a bright young conservative: “I'm watching my first GOP debate...and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!” As the evening went on, the craziness receded, and the demoralized comments we received stressed the mediocrity of the field rather than its wackiness. As one more experienced, and therefore more jaded, observer wrote: “I just thought maybe it’s always this bad...they’re only marginally worse than McCain and Bush.”

Now there are some legitimate excuses. With nine candidates on the stage, and answers restricted to one minute, it’s hard to really show your stuff. And two of the candidates—Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney—did provide respectable performances. But no frontrunner in a presidential field has ever, we imagine, had as weak a showing as Rick Perry. It was close to a disqualifying two hours for him. And Mitt Romney remains, when all is said and done, a technocratic management consultant whose one term as governor produced Romneycare. He could rise to the occasion as president. Or not.

But in a week in which markets collapsed, Solyndra exploded, our Middle East policy was in meltdown, the Iranian nuclear threat became more urgent, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff fingered our “ally” Pakistan as a sponsor of terror against American forces in Afghanistan—none of the candidates really seemed up to the moment, either politically or substantively. In the midst of a crisis, we’re getting politics as usual—and a somewhat subpar version of politics as usual at that.

they are crazy.....I started to believe that when Michele Bachmann, a woman, was against Rick Perry issuing an order that all girls be vaccinated against the HPV virus.....

Michele as a woman should have been cheering this on.....it would save so many women and young girls form getting cervical cancer....yet michele is against this AND stated that the vaccine is dangerous and causes "mental damage" ...WOW!!!....

the republicans are living in the Bizarro world where trying to help people is considered bad....and then they wonder why people are hostile to their views?

[andreisdaman]

Nah. Other than the rediculous TWO people who booed the gay soldier and other than Rick Santorum and Ron Paul, I dont see how they sounded crazy. The Dems had atleast one or two crazy people in thier primaries. And Mitt Romney DEFINATELY didnt sound crazy. He was presidential.

Mitt Romney is a rich momma's boy Mormon who is running away form his record......plus he is like a robot

[andreisdaman]

what did Paul say that was crazy?  If it was crazy, why did people cheer after he spoke?

People cheer because he does well at putting things out there that people are thinking and that sounds simple.....but it never ever translates into votes for him...

[andreisdaman]

Oh, it was only a small group of crazy followers that cheered huh?  What debate are you talking about lol...

Ron Paul is not an isolationist.  Stop listening to the propaganda against him and actually read and listen to what he says.

Is Ron Paul an isolationist?  NOOOO!!!

The Original American Foreign Policy
by Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul375.html

&feature=relmfu

I think plain and simple....people just don't trust him for reason..I don't know why but that seems to be the case

[andreisdaman]

My theory is that his support is a mile wide and an inch deep.  That's what election day shows.  He dominates online polls after every debate, but stays at about 7 or 8 percent nationally.  

How can he win the nomination if he's unable to carry Texas?  

Good Excellent post

[andreisdaman]

A No Confidence Vote in Orlando [Kristol: Cain Vote Just Means "None of The Above"]
Weekly Standard ^ | September 24, 2011 | WILLIAM KRISTOL
Posted on September 24, 2011 8:33:36 PM EDT by Steelfish

A No Confidence Vote in Orlando SEP 24, 2011 • BY WILLIAM KRISTOL

Having watched the debate Thursday night, and having heard the candidates speak and having mingled with them over the subsequent couple of days, 70 percent of the activists attending the Florida Republican gathering this weekend cast a vote of no confidence in the two GOP frontrunners.

So, with all the usual caveats about not over-interpreting straw polls, I’d suggest:

1. There is resistance to both Rick Perry (15 percent) and Mitt Romney (14 percent). Perry’s poor debate performance hurt him—but it doesn’t seem to have redounded to Mitt Romney’s benefit. Perhaps neither Perry nor Romney will end up as the nominee. After all, the two GOP frontrunners in national polls in late September 2007 were Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson. The Democratic frontrunners in a Gallup poll on September 24, 2003 were Wesley Clark and Howard Dean.

2. Herman Cain (37 percent) will obviously get a new, more serious look. Still, with all due respect to Cain, to some degree voting for him is voting for none of the above.

(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...






Lmfao!!!!   Wwwwaaahhhhhhhhhh.

I would actually consider voting for Cain although I have made fun of him....Romney and Michele Bachmann have no chance at my vote

[Straw Man]

Cut, not eliminate.  I like Cain's tax idea.  I like Huntsman's.  I like Steve Forbes' idea of a flat tax.  If we dramatically changed our tax structure, we wouldn't need the mounds of IRS rules, the plethora of agents, etc.  That's definitely one department that is too big.    

I'm pretty sure 33 posted something about all of the IRS agents we'll have to hire if Obamacare gets implemented.  Crazy.  

you actually said cut or eliminate and if your first order of business is "waste, fraud, and abuse." then cutting the IRS would only ADD to the problem.

The IRS estimates that we lose $300 billion a year to tax evasion
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/stopping-tax-evasion-would-add-4-trillion-to-federal-coffers/

so the first thing you would do would just make the problem worse

[garebear]

Nah. Other than the rediculous TWO people who booed the gay soldier and other than Rick Santorum and Ron Paul, I dont see how they sounded crazy. The Dems had atleast one or two crazy people in thier primaries. And Mitt Romney DEFINATELY didnt sound crazy. He was presidential.

The root word of DEFINITELY is finite, which means having definable limits. Let's keep that in mind when we're writing in our own native language, hotshot.

[George Whorewell]

The root word of DEFINITELY is finite, which means having definable limits. Let's keep that in mind when we're writing in our own native language, hotshot.

Your idiocy is infinite. That means your stupidity has no definable limits. Let's keep that in mind when you spew your nonsense on this message board, ok hotshot?

[garebear]

Your idiocy is infinite. That means your stupidity has no definable limits. Let's keep that in mind when you spew your nonsense on this message board, ok hotshot?

Well, at least you spelled it correctly.

[George Whorewell]

Well, at least you spelled it correctly.

Racist post reported.

[MM2K]

Oh, it was only a small group of crazy followers that cheered huh?  What debate are you talking about lol...

Ron Paul is not an isolationist.  Stop listening to the propaganda against him and actually read and listen to what he says.

Is Ron Paul an isolationist?  NOOOO!!!

The Original American Foreign Policy
by Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul375.html

&feature=relmfu

Yeah, how many delegates does Dr. Domento get everytime he runs? THought so. Give me a break. If he were president during the early 1800s the USA would be one third its size now.

[MM2K]

A miniscule fraction of our current deficit? Haha.............what a dumb fuck. 

OK. So youre idea of a large fraction is 1/13. YOur the dumbfuck. Maybe during the Bush years when we were running MANAGABLE deficits, it was considered a sizable fraction, but not now with President Downgrade running things.

[MM2K]

When you look at spending on the wars, the department of defence and veteran spending it's a huge chunk of the pie.  If we were not out policing the world, nation building and maintaining a global military presence, that massive chunk would be a lot less.  I'm not for cutting anything on vets, but that spending would naturally go down if we were not fighting wars we shouldn't be fighting.  The increase for spending in that area is only going to go up the more we have to police the world.

We spend 5% of GDP on national defense. That is historically low espeacially for times of war. You are barking up the wrong tree.