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Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« on: March 13, 2011, 03:27:41 PM »
We must seek agreement on gun reforms

President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:00 am

It's been more than two months since the tragedy in Tucson stunned the nation. It was a moment when we came together as one people to mourn and to pray for those we lost. And in the attack's turbulent wake, Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing, assigning blame or playing politics with other people's pain.

But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.

He used it to murder six people and wound 13 others. And if not for the heroism of bystanders and a brilliant surgical team, it would have been far worse.

But since that day, we have lost perhaps another 2,000 members of our American family to gun violence. Thousands more have been wounded. We lose the same number of young people to guns every day and a half as we did at Columbine, and every four days as we did at Virginia Tech.

Every single day, America is robbed of more futures. It has awful consequences for our society. And as a society, we have a responsibility to do everything we can to put a stop to it.

Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection.
And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept. Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson.

I know that every time we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides. People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country.

However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place.

I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

I'm willing to bet they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas - that we should check someone's criminal record before he can check out at a gun seller; that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily; that there's room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety and are fully compatible with a robust Second Amendment.

That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

• First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a
gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We
must do better.

• Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.

• Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.

Porous background checks are bad for police officers, for law-abiding citizens and for the sellers themselves. If we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else.

Clearly, there's more we can do to prevent gun violence. But I want this to at least be the beginning of a new discussion on how we can keep America safe for all our people.

I know some aren't interested in participating. Some will say that anything short of the most sweeping anti-gun legislation is a capitulation to the gun lobby. Others will predictably cast any discussion as the opening salvo in a wild-eyed scheme to take away everybody's guns. And such hyperbole will become the fodder for overheated fundraising letters.

But I have more faith in the American people than that. Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word "commonsense" isn't a code word for "confiscation." And none of us should be willing to remain passive in the face of violence or resigned to watching helplessly as another rampage unfolds on television.

As long as those whose lives are shattered by gun violence don't get to look away and move on, neither can we.

We owe the victims of the tragedy in Tucson and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best efforts - to seek consensus, to prevent future bloodshed, to forge a nation worthy of our children's futures.

Copyright 2011 Arizona Daily Star. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 03:29:43 PM »
What a dope. 

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 03:42:50 PM »
I'll have to reserve judgement.  He only listed 3 things;  enforce current laws, reward states, and improve the system.  They seem reasonable goals to me unless I'm missing something.

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 03:46:49 PM »
Its going nowhere w a gop house.

I also notice he was silent on tons of cops killed by ghetto thugs since the tucson murders.

Hhhhmmm - wonder why. 

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 03:51:02 PM »
Its going nowhere w a gop house.

I also notice he was silent on tons of cops killed by ghetto thugs since the tucson murders.

Hhhhmmm - wonder why. 

why don't you tell us

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 03:52:56 PM »
He doesn't want to offend the 95ers.

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 03:56:49 PM »
what's a 95er  ???

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 04:01:32 PM »
Guess

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 04:07:42 PM »
some stupid number you made up

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 04:11:30 PM »
Sad thing is that it is a real number. 

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 04:26:43 PM »
I keep seeing the same stupid shit from DC, enforce the laws we already have blah blah blah. Most of the criminals don't go through legal channels to get guns! You are going to see a member of the local crips heading down to the local gander mountain to buy a gun. Same stupid shit different POTUS.

And why is he so interested now in enforcing existing laws? Doesn't seem to give a shit when it comes to border security and illegals.
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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2011, 04:37:35 PM »
I keep seeing the same stupid shit from DC, enforce the laws we already have blah blah blah. Most of the criminals don't go through legal channels to get guns! You are going to see a member of the local crips heading down to the local gander mountain to buy a gun. Same stupid shit different POTUS.

And why is he so interested now in enforcing existing laws? Doesn't seem to give a shit when it comes to border security and illegals.

Hahaha, truer words have never been spoken. I find it amusing how he picks and chooses which laws to throw his weight behind.

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2011, 07:37:10 AM »
This op-ed is the perfect example of why i loathe Obama like no other potus in my lifetime.   

He using a statistically improbably event and trying to exploit it while ignoring the glaring reality of who committs crime in this nation.   

Did he mention the dozen or so cops killed since AZ from his peeps all over the nation?  No. 

Did he mention the brewing scandal at ATF over the ak's ?  nope.   

Did he mention the recidivist crime problem from a certain segment of the population who committs crimes far our of percentage from thair share of the population?  nope. 


In short - more complete bullshit from this garbage potus.   

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2011, 01:23:40 PM »
Obama’s latest ‘gun control’ proposal will not close ‘Gunwalker loophole
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | March 14, 2011 | David Codrea


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“We must seek agreement on gun reforms,” a guest editorial in the Arizona Daily Star by President Barack Obama declares. Snip “I'm willing to bet,” he says, “that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.” If by that he means take people who have been adjudicated menaces to society and segregating them from those they would harm, not many would argue.

But that’s not what he means.

He wants to end private transfers.

He wants to require everyone in the country, regardless of state laws, to go through the federal system. As in mandate. As in force. As in "or else."

How about a situation where responsible sellers reported suspicious sales but were instructed by the administration’s enforcers to allow them to proceed anyway? Are we serious about that?

“Clearly, there's more we can do to prevent gun violence,” the president opines. “But I want this to at least be the beginning of a new discussion on how we can keep America safe for all our people.”

Before we begin a new discussion, Mr. President, how about we finish one that’s already underway?

What do you know about “Project Gunwalker,” when did you find out about it, and what direction have you given Attorney General Holder, DHS Secretary Napolitano and Secretary of State Clinton? Don’t you think--before considering anything new--we ought to first close the “Gunwalker loophole” by having complete and open hearings into all of the allegations to identify who in your administration did what, and how high up culpability goes?

You know, "to prevent gun violence"? Because "clearly, there's more we can do."


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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2011, 01:31:40 PM »
private transfers pretty much make any background checks null and void.

It's been in place for years - and IMO, it's bullshit.

You can get out of prison, covered in jailhouse tats and still wearing your standard issue orange jumpsuit, pay $6 to get into the gun show, and pay $2000 cash and pick up an AK-47 and a handful of mags from any random dickhead private citizen hisEGALLY.  No check needed, NO PAPERWORK.

Obama ain't even closing THAT lol...


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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2011, 01:34:53 PM »
private transfers pretty much make any background checks null and void.

It's been in place for years - and IMO, it's bullshit.

You can get out of prison, covered in jailhouse tats and still wearing your standard issue orange jumpsuit, pay $6 to get into the gun show, and pay $2000 cash and pick up an AK-47 and a handful of mags from any random dickhead private citizen hisEGALLY.  No check needed, NO PAPERWORK.

Obama ain't even closing THAT lol...



How many crimes are committed each year by ex-cons w AK' they bought at gun shows   

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2011, 03:03:56 PM »
Obama Administration To Hold Gun Policy Meetings With Goal Of Policy Changes
The Huffington Post | March 14, 2011 | TheBigJ



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Obama Administration To Hold Gun Policy Meetings With Goal Of Policy Changes Obama

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration has conducted informal discussions with groups from both ends of the gun-policy spectrum, including law enforcement and gun-rights organizations, and is set to hold formal meetings as early as this week in an effort to chart out a set of new firearms policies, administration officials say.

Spearheaded by the Department of Justice, the talks were described by one individual involved in the discussions as a “feeling-out process.” With more official meetings set to begin shortly, they provide the clearest indication to date that the White House is readying a response to the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and 19 others at Tucson in early January.

“As the president said, we should focus on sound, effective steps that will keep guns out of the hands of the criminals, fugitives, people with serious mental illness, and others who have no business possessing a gun and who are prohibited by laws on the books from owning a gun,” Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller said. “We will be meeting with stakeholders on all sides of the issue to discuss how we can find sensible, intelligent ways to make the country safer.”

The goal is to finalize a set of policy changes, including, perhaps, legislation that could pass through a Congress hostile to abridgments of Second Amendment rights. The last serious bite at the apple occurred following the shootings at Virginia Tech in April 2007.

In a Sunday op-ed for the Arizona Daily Star, President Barack Obama called for a three-pronged approach: enforcing the laws already on the books, including the National Instant Criminal Background Check System; pushing for greater state-to-state coordination; and expediting background checks and the release of relevant data.

“It was a promising sign that the president understands that 86 percent of the public, including around 80 percent of gun owners, think that a simple background check for every purchase includes next to zero burden for law-abiding citizens and can save countless live,” said Mark Glaze, the executive director of the coalition of Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG).

The contours laid out in the op-ed are similar to the plan currently being pushed by MAIG and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). Schumer, who has also been in touch with DOJ officials, held a press conference with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg several weeks ago announcing plans to beef up the national background-check system, including eliminating a loophole that allows individuals to buy firearms at gun shows without submitting to a background check.

Though official talks have not yet begun, the Obama administration is expected to aim mostly at such low-hanging fruit, leaving issues like the legality of the high-capacity magazine -- which allows even pistols to fire more than 30 shots without reloading, and was used in the Tucson shootings in January -- to remain unaddressed for the time being. The principal debate, then, will likely center around the application of background-check standards to private dealers.

“They have been meeting with us and also with law enforcement groups and industry,” one gun-control advocate said of the administration. “This is what the White House does when they want to put a serious legislative apparatus together ... The game now becomes effectively demonstrating, in a way that is meaningful, what we know is the overwhelming support for universal background checks.”


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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2011, 06:11:58 AM »
N.R.A. Declines to Meet With Obama on Gun Policy
New York Times ^ | March 15, 2011 | JACKIE CALMES



More than two months after the Tucson shootings, the administration is calling together both the gun lobby and gun safety groups to find common ground. But President Obama has no plans to take the lead in proposing further gun control legislation, aides say, and the nation’s major gun rights group is snubbing the invitation.

On Tuesday, officials at the Justice Department will meet with gun control advocates in the first of what will be a series of meetings over the next two weeks with people on different sides of the issue, including law enforcement, retailers and manufacturers, to seek agreement on possible legislative or administrative actions.

The effort follows Mr. Obama’s call, in a column on Sunday in a Tucson newspaper, to put aside “stale policy debates” and begin “a new discussion” on ways to better enforce and strengthen existing laws to keep mentally unstable, violent and criminal people from getting guns.

But the National Rifle Association, for decades the most formidable force against proposals to limit gun sales or ownership, is refusing to join the discussion — possibly dooming it from the start, given the lobby’s clout with both parties in Congress. Administration officials had indicated they expected that the group would be represented at a meeting, perhaps on Friday.

“Why should I or the N.R.A. go sit down with a group of people that have spent a lifetime trying to destroy the Second Amendment in the United States?” said Wayne LaPierre, the longtime chief executive of the National Rifle Association.

He named Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has almost no role in gun-related policies, and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.


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Good, I would not meet with this asshole either on this.   


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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2011, 06:15:08 AM »
The criminals get does get their weapons through these channels anyway

In countries where handguns are forbidden criminals still have firearms

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2011, 06:23:12 AM »
The criminals get does get their weapons through these channels anyway

In countries where handguns are forbidden criminals still have firearms

Funny Obama is only making this an issue after the AZ shooting.   What about the Maj. Hassan shooting? What bout the dozens of cops killed by minorities in inner cities the lst few months?  What about the recolving door justice system lettig these dsame criminals out after serving little or no time?  What about the ATF scandal brewing?    hhhmmm? 

This is all emotionally driven crap from Obama and everyone knows it. 


Only a complete fool believes a damn thing coming from obama on this or any issue.     

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2011, 10:10:56 AM »
Libs are very pissed he's not going after high-caps  :)  :)  :)

People with criminal records are very happy he's not going after gun show loophole.

Skip is right: enforce current laws, reward states, and improve the system - those are common sense things that any president should re-inforce.

This is a non-story, and anyone who whines about "but but but the president's timing..." LOL he waited until the biggest natural disaster in 20 years to leak it.  Recognize that.  He is scared of the gun issue, needs to be 'on record' as supporting existing laws but not going after any rights, and your re-posting it just did that ;)

LOL 33 has a nice slot in the obama tool belt.


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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2011, 10:35:06 AM »
No. 33 sees right though this disgusting asshole you voted for and kneel down for daily.

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2011, 11:16:03 AM »
No. 33 sees right though this disgusting asshole you voted for and kneel down for daily.

i spin anything when asked to.

But honestly, we both know i'm voting repub unless its you-know-who on the ticket.

Did i kneepad in the past, sure.  Do I do it now, hell no.

Obama isn't going after gun rights - he's suggesting we enforce the law.  I'd be the first to admit we should close that fcking loophole.  Ex-cons can buy AR-15s by the dozen.  Ain't that some shit.

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2011, 11:16:56 AM »
i spin anything when asked to.

But honestly, we both know i'm voting repub unless its you-know-who on the ticket.



There's nothing to indicate you're telling the truth here. I liken it to Blacken playing devil's advocate on his whork25 account.

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Re: Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2011, 11:17:24 AM »
i spin anything when asked to.

But honestly, we both know i'm voting repub unless its you-know-who on the ticket.

Did i kneepad in the past, sure.  Do I do it now, hell no.

Obama isn't going after gun rights - he's suggesting we enforce the law.  I'd be the first to admit we should close that fcking loophole.  Ex-cons can buy AR-15s by the dozen.  Ain't that some shit.

Why does he need new laws to enforce existing laws?