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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2012, 01:01:11 PM »
it harms his legacy.
it hurt republican motivation in the short term.

Maybe you think UE drops to 4% and Romney still wins.  I disagree lol.
Yeah, cause im such a huge supporter of Romney.
Im under no delusions about Romney's chances - he's not going to blow Obama out, and Obama is not going to blow him out. Its gonna be close. You, on the other hand, seem to take every shred of information that comes along as helping Obama and hurting Romney.

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2012, 01:09:39 PM »
Yeah, cause im such a huge supporter of Romney.
Im under no delusions about Romney's chances - he's not going to blow Obama out, and Obama is not going to blow him out. Its gonna be close. You, on the other hand, seem to take every shred of information that comes along as helping Obama and hurting Romney.

nope - I am just able to see nobody 100% wins or loses on everything.

Obama was in serious trouble with F&F if Holder starter yapping about it.  So he took a small PR hit with the exec order in June, as opposed to testimony in late october pointing at him for it.

It's a hit that obama takes - but i think we can all admit it's a small hit compared to what repubs had in mind for his ass.

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2012, 01:22:58 PM »
is someone here saying that if Obamacare gets overturned that its good for Obama?

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2012, 01:25:40 PM »
it harms his legacy.
it hurt republican motivation in the short term.

Maybe you think UE drops to 4% and Romney still wins.  I disagree lol.


STFU.  UE is going higher!   

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2012, 01:53:39 PM »
is someone here saying that if Obamacare gets overturned that its good for Obama?

Romney is probably hoping it does NOT get overturned.


Cause if the economy is getting better (rick scott admits it is in broke ass florida..)
Cause if Obamacare if no longer an issue (if it is overturned)


What does Romney run on?   What is his core issue?  Toss out economy and obamacare, he's gonna do WHAT exactly better? 


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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2012, 03:36:16 PM »
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47904279

Inside the Supreme Court Health-Care Decision


Medical care accounts for 18 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product — and it is taking up at least as much of the mindshare of plenty of American entrepreneurs and business owners.

At this very moment, the economic basis of the entire health-care system is up in the air, as a result of the imminent U.S. Supreme Court opinion in the health care reform law cases. Court observers expect the decision any day now, and most likely before the end of June.

"This is going to be one of the biggest decisions to come down in our lifetime," said Robert Litan, vice president for research and policy at the Kauffman Foundation. "The economic impact could be tremendous."

For American entrepreneurs and employees so far, the waiting has been the hardest part. That's because the decision is likely to have so many ramifications and third-order effects that it's nearly impossible for business owners to forecast all the possible outcomes.

"As the person responsible for setting up health care for our 70-employee company, what I want most is some certainty," said Josh King, vice president of business development and general counsel at Avvo.com, a company for which health care is the second-largest expense after salaries.

"While the [law] has its issues, at least it's a step toward more predictability in health care," King said. "If the court starts tearing it apart, I fear we'll have to spend more time thinking about health care and less trying to run and grow our business."

Here's how most observers expect the decision to play out — and what that means for this country's small and fast-growing companies.

Businesses With Fewer Than 50 Employees

First, an important caveat: Most of the employer provisions of the health care reform law apply only to businesses with 50 or more employees. So, if your business is smaller than that, you're mostly off the hook — and you won't be required to provide health insurance to your employees regardless of what the court decides.

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But if your company is larger — or if you're already growing and expect to someday employ more than 50 people — there's a lot of unsettled business. Bigger firms that fail to offer their employees insurance could wind up paying government fees, which would kick in when employees obtain insurance independently. At the same time, the law would create exchanges and subsidies for individuals who buy insurance on the open market, and would also expand the Medicaid program.

Of course, there are many other provisions and exceptions. For example, even though companies with more than 50 employees would be required to provide insurance, they would also be allowed to skip paying the $2,000-per-employee government fee for the first 30 employees who didn't have health insurance. (If you're having trouble with that exception, rest assured that we had to think it through a dozen times before it made sense, too.) The truth is that once you get deep in the regulations  —many of which haven't even been written yet —nobody really knows how things will settle out.

The Individual Mandate

Most of the legal attention has been focused on the so-called "individual mandate," which requires people to purchase health insurance, either through their employers or on the market. It was this provision that garnered the most pointed questions from the justices at oral argument in March.

"Can you create commerce in order to regulate it?" Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy asked at the time, apparently trying to figure out how the United States could justify requiring people to buy health insurance under the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. He later added that he believed the government faced "a heavy burden of justification," and was "changing the relationship of the individual to the government."

Under the mandate, individuals who fail to acquire insurance would be subject to government fees — although the exact nature of those fees, and whether they would amount to taxes, penalties or something else — is one of the more esoteric but important issues in the case before the court.

Despite the 2,400-page law's complexity, the possible outcomes really fall into three categories. The court could strike down the law, uphold the law, or strike down some provisions. If that happens, it's most likely that the court would get rid of the individual mandate will while upholding the rest of the law.

What Happens if the Court Kills Obamacare?

Most experts don't seem to think the court will strike down the health-care law in its entirety. But it could happen.

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2012, 04:29:30 PM »

STFU.  UE is going higher!   

rick scott bragged that the jobless rate has decreased for the last straight 11 months.

is rick scott lying, 33?

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2012, 04:38:14 PM »
The most significant part is the section where the government claims that it can force all Americans to purchase health insurance under its commerce regulatory provision.  Obama erroneously compared this to having to purchase auto insurance.......however, auto insurance is not necessarily for yourself, it is for someone else should you damage their vehicle and injure the driver.  This creates the ultimate slippery slope......one of the Supreme Court Justices (Scalia, maybe) asked if the government should not also force everyone to purchase cell phones, because at any time there could be an emergency and you may need one, forcing you into a situation that you may have otherwise stayed away from.  The same could be said about having to eat healthy food...and what is considered healthy nowadays?

I believe this particular provision is overturned.

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2012, 09:59:54 PM »
Individual mandate is going down.  Doesn't really matter what they do with the rest because it will be toothless.

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2012, 10:55:41 PM »
it harms his legacy.
it hurt republican motivation in the short term.

Maybe you think UE drops to 4% and Romney still wins.  I disagree lol.

Again, what are you smoking? There ain't no way in HELL unemployment gets that low in four months. Obama better pray it doesn't put nine percent again, or he's TOAST!!

NOTHING is going to hurt GOP motivation to get this bum out of the White House. Your concern should be with Democrat motivation. AFL-CIO announce they aren't coughing up any dough for his re-election campaign, for a number of reasons (INCLUDING Obama's abandoning them in Wisconsin).

Obama's donors are dropping like flies. And the president's approval rating (Gallup) just dropped to 43%, where it was about this time last years AFTER Bin Laden got whacked.

Romney's outraised Obama two months straight; and now, despite all the bragging they've done over the past year about Obama' supposedly having a billion dollars to spend on re-election, the lefties now FEAR that they won't be able to match Romney's crew, dollar for dollar.

Oh, did I mention that humiliating defeat for the Dems in Wisconsin?

The GOP has clobbered the Dems in the last two high-profile elections. Yet, you think that Republicans will lose motivation, going into 2012 (based on something that, in no way, shape, form, or fashion will happen before November).

Again, lay off that sticky green!!


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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2012, 11:00:45 PM »
is someone here saying that if Obamacare gets overturned that its good for Obama?

Take a wild guess!!!

It's about as daft as that hack Lawrence O'Donnell, claiming that Obama was the "big winner" in the Wisconsin recall, after the union bubbas and the Dems got their first-class trip to the woodshed.

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Re: call it now! does Obamacare get overturned?
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2012, 12:48:43 AM »

STFU.  UE is going higher!   
Tough guy post.

What percentage of your posts, besides copy and paste, include cussing or insulting another member?
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