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« on: July 18, 2013, 02:02:34 PM »
Detroit files for bankruptcy     

Detroit—The city of Detroit filed the largest municipal bankruptcy case in U.S. history Thursday afternoon, culminating a decades-long slide that transformed the nation’s iconic industrial town into a model of urban decline crippled by population loss, a dwindling tax base and financial problems.

The 16-page petition was filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Detroit.

Gov. Rick Snyder’s office was making plans this afternoon to hold a Friday morning news conference at the Maccabees Building, 5057 Woodward in Midtown, according to a source. It’s the same location where the governor declared a financial emergency for Detroit on March 1.

Under state law, Snyder is required to approve a Chapter 9 filing. As of Wednesday, Snyder said he had not received any such request from Detroit Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr. Sources close to the governor said the situation is fluid, adding that Snyder intends to study Orr’s recommendations and related documents “for a couple of days” before making his decision.

A bankruptcy filing would come as an Ingham County judge is preparing Monday to hear arguments from retirees to block any attempt by Snyder to authorize a bankruptcy. A filing would produce an automatic stay of all pending litigation and would cap a month of intense talks between Orr’s team and creditors, which largely have failed to restructure as much as $20 billion in debt and long-term liabilities.

News of an imminent filing prompted lawyers for the city’s pension funds to request an emergency hearing this afternoon in Ingham County Circuit Court to block a bankruptcy authorization.

Orr’s spokesman, Bill Nowling, could not be reached for comment. And state officials contacted by The News on Thursday declined to discuss the matter.

A Chapter 9 filing would leave the restructuring to Orr and a federal bankruptcy judge and could take years, experts say, despite hopes by the governor and Orr that the case can be wrapped up in a year. A bankruptcy judge could trump the state constitution by slashing retiree pensions, ripping up contracts and paying creditors roughly a dime on the dollar for unsecured claims worth $11.45 billion.

During a month of negotiations, Orr has reached a settlement with only two creditors: Bank of America Corp. and UBS AG. They have agreed to accept 75 cents on the dollar for approximately $340 million in swaps liabilities, according to a source familiar with the deal.

The bankruptcy plan is expected to closely follow Orr’s restructuring proposal that was unveiled to creditors on June 14 — a proposal that drew criticism from some creditors who said the cuts were too deep and did not include the sale of city assets, including Belle Isle and a Detroit Institute of Arts collection worth billions. He proposed paying most of the money owed to secured creditors while pension funds, unions and unsecured bondholders would receive, in some cases, 10 cents on the dollar.

The filing is expected to trigger a costly, long and precedent-setting battle by creditors and Detroit’s bankruptcy case could become a template for the treatment of pensions in the largely uncharted world of municipal bankruptcies.

Unsecured creditors could take the biggest hit in bankruptcy court. Orr wants them to share a $2 billion payout on approximately $11.5 billion worth of debt, which includes an estimated $9.2 billion in health and pension benefits and $530 million in general-obligation bonds.

Instead of paying creditors in full, Orr would use $1.25 billion over the next decade to buy police cars and fire trucks, replace broken street lights, tear down burned-out homes, fight blight and improve city services.

Orr wants to stabilize the city, woo new residents, provide essential city services for Detroiters, lower property taxes and transfer costly departments, including the water department to an outside group.

Once the nation’s fourth largest city, Detroit was hailed as an industrial hub with nearly 2 million people. Today, after a half-century of residential flight, high unemployment, a significant reduction in state funding, plummeting income and property taxes, corruption and chronic mismanagement, the bankruptcy filing solidifies the city's standing as a model of urban decline.

The filing would serve as a grim reminder of the bankruptcies that hit the auto industry four years ago. Unlike the cases of General Motors and Chrysler in 2009, the White House offered no financial help.

Snyder’s staff is making plans to explain the bankruptcy decision during appearances on Sunday morning talks shows, including Face the Nation and Meet the Press, according to one source.

A Chapter 9 petition could be filed by Detroit over the weekend. The first-day papers would be expected to explain why the city is eligible to file Chapter 9 bankruptcy, namely that Detroit is insolvent and that good-faith negotiations have failed to solve the financial problem.

The city would have to file a plan of adjustment that explains how the city would treat its debt and explain how Detroit would handle future tax revenue and spending. It’s possible, experts say, that Orr could elect to file his restructuring plan with the city’s initial Chapter 9 petition.

The case would be assigned by Alice Batchelder, chief judge of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which spans Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee. Any judge in the four-state region could be assigned the case, though Batchelder will weigh potential political concerns and decide who has the time and capability to handle a complex, large case.

Some legal experts predict the case would be filed in Detroit but assigned to a judge from outside the city to avoid any potential conflicts of interest.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130718/METRO01/307180103#ixzz2ZQv5OdLD

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2013, 02:06:55 PM »
I suspect there won't be much comment from our friends on the left...California is next. Despite the Left's best efforts to paint Brown as some savior, another bullshit house of cards.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2013, 08:13:21 PM »
No reaction from the left. Let's add fuel to the fire. California, dem owned and operated same with NY and the most of the New England states as well as other dem-ran states....in the shitter.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2013, 06:03:43 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2013, 06:43:18 AM »
Nobody's gloating and this has nothing to do with the auto industry. The city of Detroit was choked by the government unions who wouldn't budge on pensions and other things...now its all falling down. Good job Dems..good job barry.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2013, 08:03:33 AM »
I don't get u guys who are always railing about public service workers. 99 percent of u have a ton more in common w/ these people than the 1 percent of people in this country who have no economic worries, buy $1 mil 400 sq ft apartments in Manhattan, attend elite schools, etc., and basically consider u no better than your typical welfare recipient.

First they got rid of private sector jobs that paid a living wage and offered pensions (like in the auto industry). Now they're going after the the public service workers. Goldman Sachs paid almost $3 billion in compensation in the last quarter. Those guys are at their $5 mil Hamptons houses laughing at the rest of you who are obsessed with Obama and public service workers while they get richer and richer and continue to separate themselves even more from everyone else.     

I agree.  I read a study where groups all across the economic spectrum were asked to place themselves in a particular economic class.  Middle class and working class consistently placed themselves in the same category as high earners despite the fact that their income levels more closely resembled poor and working class.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2013, 08:15:48 AM »
I don't get u guys who are always railing about public service workers. 99 percent of u have a ton more in common w/ these people than the 1 percent of people in this country who have no economic worries, buy $1 mil 400 sq ft apartments in Manhattan, attend elite schools, etc., and basically consider u no better than your typical welfare recipient.

First they got rid of private sector jobs that paid a living wage and offered pensions (like in the auto industry). Now they're going after the the public service workers. Goldman Sachs paid almost $3 billion in compensation in the last quarter. Those guys are at their $5 mil Hamptons houses laughing at the rest of you who are obsessed with Obama and public service workers while they get richer and richer and continue to separate themselves even more from everyone else.     

First off.....why would I identify with people who are cutting their own throat. If you work for a company and you refuse to rework benefits that are strangling the company and will force you to loose your job eventually..how is that my problem. Many of these people who 'have no economic worries" worked their asses off in school while the other 99% whined and complained. How come certain minority groups who all start from the same socio economic base seem to do better then others. Why do asian groups who only came here within the last 30 years send more of their kids to better schools. If your lazy and stupid I can't help you. Do u aspire to be a union employee or the guy with the 40 foot go fast boat.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2013, 08:16:25 AM »
I agree.  I read a study where groups all across the economic spectrum were asked to place themselves in a particular economic class.  Middle class and working class consistently placed themselves in the same category as high earners despite the fact that their income levels more closely resembled poor and working class.

No one wants to admit they're "poor ass"...but most are too lazy to become a 1%er

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2013, 08:20:08 AM »
I agree.  I read a study where groups all across the economic spectrum were asked to place themselves in a particular economic class.  Middle class and working class consistently placed themselves in the same category as high earners despite the fact that their income levels more closely resembled poor and working class.

Nobody wants to be poor. But saying that its because of wall street is ridiculous. The Fed is proping up wall street right now and when the bubble bursts, everybody will be fucked. Its the erosion of values that is killing America...hard work is not valued. The smart kid in class is laughed at. Eveybody gets a trophy so when these idiots get into the real world and don't measure up, they wonder why they can't succeed. The schools are a joke. There is a ton of blame to go around, its not just or because of "rich" people. Poor people don't own businesses and don't keep our economy going.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2013, 08:24:25 AM »
No one wants to admit they're "poor ass"...but most are too lazy to become a 1%er

Years ago people had the balls or the fiber to buckle down and try and go after the brass ring. Now, everybody is worried about feelings, and bullies. Getting your ass kicked is liberating......you know where the line is...you know how much you can take. Look at all the successful businessmen in this country, many failed at first..but because they grew up in a time when hard work was valued and nobody gave you shit...they tried again. Hnce Apple, Microsoft etc etc....

This is a "bodybuilding site" do u people give up when you miss a weight or you can't pump out another rep?
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 08:53:03 AM »
I'm not blaming the 'working" people but come on. Hostess shut down because the union choked them. Car companies move to right to work states because unions choke them. People complain about Walmart...don't work there, free friggen company. These companies exist to make money, they are not social experiments set up to provide a paycheck. If the CEO is doing his job and the shareholders are happy..they pay him. If he sucks, fire him. Their pay is not my problem. Money doesn't go as far because of government regulation. Taxes on gas and energy which the shitbag in the whitehouse has pushed since he got it. We're overtaking OPEC but gas is still $3.39 a gallon...why. When gas was .99 are you gonna tell me Shell didn't like profits as much as they do now. The EPA fucks each and every one of us on a daily basis. If you want to hold a yard sale you need a permit in some places...all for a price. Why...so some asshole gets a free whatever on the government. We can no longer afford the welfare state. They furloughed all the DOD employee's in our office so no overtime and no travel. So I, and have to travel to some shithole 3rd world country every couple of weeks to make up the slack...all the while Obama and his tribe take vacations to Africa and the IRS sponsors dance weekends.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 03:57:59 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 08:08:06 PM »
haahaa when he's done... it's going to be... my country looks like Detroit. :(
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2013, 12:55:39 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2013, 03:43:14 PM »
Are those benefits really strangling the company or are they simply looking to cut as much as they can to make the company look better to Wall Street? What are they paying the CEO and the very top management? What type of stock options are they getting? How much money and perks are they lavishing on the board members? Why do you automatically blame the working people rather than look at the whole picture?
why do qb's get paid more than linemen?

when companies go under is the managements fault but when they suceed it has nothing to do with management?

sorry boss if youre on the assembly line its not that your job isnt important its that you arent that important b/c the skills, education and ability to do that job are minimal.

realize that and do what you need to do to make yourself more indespensible or at the very least more marketable so you can get a better job, bitching and moaning isnt going to help

or better yet go start your own business and see how much that utopian mindset is worth in the real world

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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2013, 04:23:58 PM »
In the "real world," the banks were ready to fail due to mismanagement but the government bailed them out. Don't u remember TARP? Now they're back doing the same things they were doing before the crisis and making record profits. And if they screw up again the government will bail them out again. Meanwhile, the companies they invest in off-shore decent jobs and then hire Americans to work shitty retail jobs b/c that's all there is.

We used to have companies in this country that built things instead of moving money around. And we had managers who put people over profit, like Henry Ford. Now we just have a bunch of devious money lenders like Steve Cohen as the nation's "elites."
yup and they should have let those companies go into bankruptcy as well. You act like a company sending jobs/money overseas is a issue with the company and not the countrys policies toward business.

Sorry like was stated earlier businesses are not around to serve you with a paycheck, prop up communities or be social engineers. Their priority is to make profit, if they can increase their profits by building products overseas then why would they not?

how about this country make their tax policies and business regulations more competitive so that way the companies not only keep jobs here but other countries send their jobs here?

your issue isnt with businesses dude its with the government you just dont realize it yet. You seem to think the "elite" dont like the working class when most of the "elite" used to be working class. Quit resenting ppl for their achievements and start creating your own for fucks sake.

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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2013, 04:37:43 PM »
how about this country make their tax policies and business regulations more competitive so that way the companies not only keep jobs here but other countries send their jobs here?

Some kinds of jobs won't come back, regardless of what we do with tax policies and business regulations. And that's just fine.

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2013, 04:41:31 PM »
Some kinds of jobs won't come back, regardless of what we do with tax policies and business regulations. And that's just fine.
agreed

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2013, 04:41:59 PM »
Some kinds of jobs won't come back, regardless of what we do with tax policies and business regulations. And that's just fine for me.

fixed

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2013, 04:45:05 PM »
Yep, all the guys at the top of business and finance today, 99 percent of whom all went to the same 10-15 schools, came from the working class.

I can tell u know what you're talking about.
LMFAO you mean the guys in the top positions got good grades, went to top colleges and now are in the top spots?

hahaha who would have fucking guessed it?

LMFAO bro keep telling yourself how the system is keeping you down and thats why you dont make good money and have good prospects for the future. Meanwhile ppl like myself went to mediocre colleges, went on to get graduate degrees from local colleges and are working with those ppl who went to those 10-15 schools...

youre, your own worst enemy moron

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2013, 04:50:22 PM »
OK, boss. I'm sure u live in some fly-over state, live in a $500K house with a pool, and think you're one of the ones who made it.

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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2013, 05:00:46 PM »
fixed


No. You didn't fix it. It's just fine, period. Why do you think otherwise?

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2013, 05:19:09 PM »
No. You didn't fix it. It's just fine, period. Why do you think otherwise?

Believe it or not, but we do have a somewhat significant unskilled, uneducated population here in the US.
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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2013, 05:22:10 PM »
Believe it or not, but we do have a somewhat significant unskilled, uneducated population here in the US.

Right, and? We're required to cater to them by providing jobs to them? Especially when those jobs can be performed by others for less money?