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The open letter to the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran signed by 47 senators and instigated by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) was a stunning breach of protocol. One so outrageous that my former colleagues at the New York Daily News dubbed the signers “traitors.” While it is indeed a slap in the face of President Obama and an affront to the presidency, I’m not sure I would go that far, especially since Cotton is an Army veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. So, I turned to retired Major Gen. Paul D. Eaton for perspective. He wouldn’t say Cotton and Co. were “traitors,” either. He had a better word.

“I would use the word mutinous,” said Eaton, whose long career includes training Iraqi forces from 2003 to 2004. He is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.org. “I do not believe these senators were trying to sell out America. I do believe they defied the chain of command in what could be construed as an illegal act.” Eaton certainly had stern words for Cotton.

“What Senator Cotton did is a gross breach of discipline, and especially as a veteran of the Army, he should know better,” Eaton told me. “I have no issue with Senator Cotton, or others, voicing their opinion in opposition to any deal to halt Iran’s nuclear progress. Speaking out on these issues is clearly part of his job. But to directly engage a foreign entity, in this way, undermining the strategy and work of our diplomats and our Commander in Chief, strains the very discipline and structure that our foreign relations depend on, to succeed.” The consequences of Cotton’s missive were plainly apparent to Eaton. “The breach of discipline is extremely dangerous, because undermining our diplomatic efforts, at this moment, brings us another step closer to a very costly and perilous war with Iran,” he said.

“I think Senator Cotton recognizes this, and he simply does not care,” Eaton went on to say. “That’s what disappoints me the most.” And that’s what’s so scary about this whole episode. The freshman senator from Arkansas and 46 of his Republican colleagues sought to bigfoot Obama on a deal not yet done whose details are not yet known.

In his column today, Michael Gerson makes a point that should have been obvious to all the signatories of the Cotton letter.


If Republican senators want to make the point that an Iran deal requires a treaty, they should make that case to the American people, not to the Iranians. Congress simply has no business conducting foreign policy with a foreign government, especially an adversarial one. Every Republican who pictures his or her feet up on the Resolute Desk should fear this precedent.

This is a point you imagine Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) would have made back in the good old days when he was a statesman. Instead, he signed the letter.

“I expect better from the men and women who wore the uniform,” Eaton said of Cotton. And the American people deserve better from the Senate

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if cotton wants to do this, it's okay.

But NOBODY should complain when dems in senate send WEEKLY letters to NKorea, Putin, and ISIS, telling them they won't back the plans of the COMMANDER IN CHIEF. 

Maybe even daily letters.   THAT is the issue.  If you make it okay for JUST THIS ONE, then it's okay for A DOZEN LETTER EACH DAY TO LEADER OF TERROR REGIMES PROMISING TO UNDERMINE ANY ACTION BY THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

Once that's cool, okay. 

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This shit is laughable......consideri ng the crap the Dem's used to do...and still do with our enemies. Cotton and the rest sent a letter warning Iran. The dems used to send letters, and delegates etc to aid and comfort the enemy. I think you libs ought to get your facts straight along with your history.
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This shit is laughable......consideri ng the crap the Dem's used to do...and still do with our enemies. Cotton and the rest sent a letter warning Iran. The dems used to send letters, and delegates etc to aid and comfort the enemy. I think you libs ought to get your facts straight along with your history.

Link + sources damn it.

How hard can it be?

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This shit is laughable......consideri ng the crap the Dem's used to do...and still do with our enemies. Cotton and the rest sent a letter warning Iran. The dems used to send letters, and delegates etc to aid and comfort the enemy. I think you libs ought to get your facts straight along with your history.

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wow, okay, i'll admit, Cotton has the inbred look in his eyes.   not the brightest.  Sure, he has balls, but he's not bright.

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 Cotton has the inbred look in his eyes :D :D

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wow, okay, i'll admit, Cotton has the inbred look in his eyes.   not the brightest.  Sure, he has balls, but he's not bright.

Troll.   ::)

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He's a former Army Ranger, combat vet.   He has balls of steel on this Iran thing.  he ran a farm and was a lawyer too, and House of Reps.
And ARK just changed a law, allowing him to run for pres (maybe he's thinking 2020?) while keeping senate job/running for that.


Sure, he might be thinking Prez... but VP choice might be a good one.   He brings the south, he's commerciall viable, decent look with a full head of hair and politico voted him most likely to succeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cotton

learn about him... he could be our Pres one day!

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2015, 12:47:13 PM »

He's a great VP choice still, but so was Dan Quayle, who was also not bright and also a little inbred.

It's possible to be both at once, BB :)

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2015, 12:59:03 PM »

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2015, 01:33:18 PM »
Link + sources damn it.

How hard can it be?


Link to what......past Dem examples of giving aid and comfort. Well dumb asses I linked that shit in the first thread you idiots pasted on this but....

Senators John Sparkman (D-AL) and George McGovern (D-SD). The two Senators visited Cuba and met with government actors there in 1975. They said that they did not act on behalf of the United States, so the State Department ignored their activity.
 
Senator Teddy Kennedy (D-MA). In 1983, Teddy Kennedy sent emissaries to the Soviets to undermine Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy. According to a memo finally released in 1991 from head of the KGB Victor Chebrikov to then-Soviet leader Yuri Andropov:
 

On 9-10 May of this year, Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow. The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.
 
What was the message? That Teddy would help stifle Reagan’s anti-Soviet foreign policy if the Soviets would help Teddy run against Reagan in 1984. Kennedy offered to visit Moscow to “arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Then he said that he would set up interviews with Andropov in the United States. “Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews…Like other rational people, [Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations,” the letter explained. The memo concluded:
 

Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988. Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president.
 
House Speaker Jim Wright (D-TX). In 1984, 10 Democrats sent a letter to Daniel Ortega Saavedra, the head of the military dictatorship in Nicaragua, praising Saavedra for “taking steps to open up the political process in your country.” House Speaker Jim Wright signed the letter.
 
In 1987, Wright worked out a deal to bring Ortega to the United States to visit with lawmakers. As The New York Times reported:
 

There were times when the White House seemed left out of the peace process, uninformed, irritated. ”We don’t have any idea what’s going on,” an Administration official said Thursday. And there was a bizarre atmosphere to the motion and commotion: the leftist Mr. Ortega, one of President Reagan’s arch enemies, heads a Government that the Administration has been trying to overthrow by helping to finance a war that has killed thousands of Nicaraguans on both sides. Yet he was freely moving around Washington, visiting Mr. Wright in his Capitol Hill office, arguing his case in Congress and at heavily covered televised news conferences. He criticized President Reagan; he recalled that the United States, whose troops intervened in Nicaragua several times between 1909 and 1933, had supported the Somoza family dictatorship which lasted for 43 years until the Sandinistas overthrew it in 1979.
 
Ortega then sat next to Wright as he presented a “detailed cease-fire proposal.” The New York Times said, “Mr. Ortega seemed delighted to turn to Mr. Wright.”
 
Senator John Kerry (D-MA). Kerry jumped into the pro-Sandanista pool himself in 1985, when he traveled to Nicaragua to negotiate with the regime. He wasn’t alone; Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) joined him. The Christian Science Monitor reported that the two senators “brought back word that Mr. Ortega would be willing to accept a cease-fire if Congress rejected aid to the rebels…That week the House initially voted down aid to the contras, and Mr. Ortega made an immediate trip to Moscow.” Kerry then shilled on behalf of the Ortega government:
 

We are still trying to overthrow the politics of another country in contravention of international law, against the Organization of American States charter. We negotiated with North Vietnam. Why can we not negotiate with a country smaller than North Carolina and with half the population of Massachusetts? It’s beyond me. And the reason is that they just want to get rid of them [the Sandinistas], they want to throw them out, they don’t want to talk to them.
 
Representatives Jim McDermott (D-WA), David Bonior (D-MI), and Mike Thompson (D-CA). In 2002, the three Congressmen visited Baghdad to play defense for Saddam Hussein’s regime. There, McDermott laid the groundwork for the Democratic Party’s later rip on President George W. Bush, stating, “the president of the United States will lie to the American people in order to get us into this war.” McDermott, along with his colleagues, suggested that the American administration give the Iraqi regime “due process” and “take the Iraqis on their face value.” Bonior said openly he was acting on behalf of the government:
 

The purpose of our trip was to make it very clear, as I said in my opening statement, to the officials in Iraq how serious we–the United States is about going to war and that they will have war unless these inspections are allowed to go unconditionally and unfettered and open. And that was our point. And that was in the best interest of not only Iraq, but the American citizens and our troops. And that’s what we were emphasizing. That was our primary concern–that and looking at the humanitarian situation.
 
Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV). In 2002, Rockefeller told Fox News’ Chris Wallace, “I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11.” That would have given Saddam Hussein fourteen months in which to prepare for war.
 
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). In April 2007, as the Bush administration pursued pressure against Syrian dictator Bashar Assad, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi went to visit him. There, according to The New York Times, the two “discussed a variety of Middle Eastern issues, including the situations in Iraq and Lebanon and the prospect of peace talks between Syria and Israel.” Pelosi was accompanied by Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA), Tom Lantos (D-CA), Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY), Nick J. Rahall II (D-WV), and Keith Ellison (D-MN). Zaid Haider, Damascus bureau chief for Al Safir, reportedly said, ‘There is a feeling now that change is going on in American policy – even if it’s being led by the opposition.”
 
The Constitution of the United States delegates commander-in-chief power to the president of the United States. Section 2 clearly states, “He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur…” As Professor Jack Goldsmith of Harvard Law School writes, Senators have a good argument that “the President lacks the authority under the U.S. Constitution to negotiate a pure Executive agreement in this context.  Almost all major arms control agreements have been made as treaties that needed Senate consent, and the one major exception, the Salt I treaty, was a congressional-executive agreement.”
 
One who might agree: former Senator Joe Biden, whose White House profile explains, “then-Senator Biden played a pivotal role in shaping US foreign policy.” Among other elements of that role: decrying President George W. Bush’s surge in Iraq as “a tragic mistake” and vowing, “I will do everything in my power to stop it.” As Tom Cotton said this morning, “If Joe Biden respects the dignity of the institution of the Senate, he should be insisting that the President submit any deal to approval of the Senate, which is exactly what he did on numerous deals during his time in Senate
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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2015, 02:14:38 PM »
“What Senator Cotton did is a gross breach of discipline, and especially as a veteran of the Army, he should know better,”

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2015, 02:45:50 PM »
I didn’t think it was going to further our efforts to get to a place where Congress would play the appropriate role that it should on Iran,” Corker told The Daily Beast. “I did not think that the letter was something that was going to help get us to an outcome that we’re all seeking, and that is Congress playing that appropriate role.”


cotton is just another idiot freshman sen. grandstanding for his morons :o

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2015, 02:48:36 PM »
Gotta wonder how much of this is a leadership issue.  If Obama was keeping key and senior congressional lraders in the loop, I doubt this would have occurred.

Nice owning HH6...the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort.

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2015, 02:55:18 PM »
Gotta wonder how much of this is a leadership issue.  If Obama was keeping key and senior congressional lraders in the loop, I doubt this would have occurred.

Nice owning HH6...the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort.

your 1 of the morons he grandstanding for,you just proved my point skippy :D :D now go get your terrible cry towel


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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2015, 03:02:51 PM »


Nice owning HH6...the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort.



Exhibit A:

your 1 of the morons he grandstanding for,you just proved my point skippy :D :D now go get your terrible cry towel

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2015, 03:08:16 PM »

Exhibit A:


we have people like cotton in Washington because of morons like you :D

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2015, 03:12:26 PM »


Nice owning HH6...the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort.



Exhibit B:

we have people like cotton in Washington because of morons like you :D

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2015, 03:18:00 PM »
the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort. :D


from skippy
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Exhibit a:


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Exhibit B:


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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2015, 03:26:08 PM »
Gotta wonder how much of this is a leadership issue.  If Obama was keeping key and senior congressional lraders in the loop, I doubt this would have occurred.

Nice owning HH6...the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort.

nah, it happens to both parties.  Pelosi tried to undermine bush the same way.

it's attention whoring for weak powerless politicians appealing to their rabid base.  That's what it was when Pelosi did it, and that's what it is when Cotton does it. 

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2015, 03:40:39 PM »
Gotta wonder how much of this is a leadership issue.  If Obama was keeping key and senior congressional lraders in the loop, I doubt this would have occurred.

Nice owning HH6...the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort.
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Actually its an issue of the Republicans trying to deny Obama a victory..which has been a pattern of theirs since he was elected....they have tried their best to undermine and delegitimize the president

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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2015, 03:42:34 PM »


Nice owning HH6...the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort.



Exhibit C:

the clown won't have a logical, coherent retort. :D


from skippy

Exhibit a:


from skippy

Exhibit B:



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Re: Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2015, 03:48:07 PM »
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Actually its an issue of the Republicans trying to deny Obama a victory..which has been a pattern of theirs since he was elected....they have tried their best to undermine and delegitimize the president


There is no victory to be had at this point.  What does Iran even gain fof givinv up weapons?  Increased trade or decreased sanctions at most.  And given that they have done just fine without us, it's not like we have a lot of leverage.