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Monday, March 12, 2007 10:51 p.m. EDT
Zell Miller: Abortion Killed Over 45 Million
Former Sen. Zell Miller says abortion has claimed the lives of more than 45 million Americans since 1973, and is to blame for manpower shortages in the U.S. military and the looming Social Security crisis.
"How could this great land of plenty produce too few people in the last 30 years?” Miller asked during a recent fund-raiser in Macon, Ga. "Here is the brutal truth that no one dares to mention: We’re too few because too many of our babies have been killed. Over 45 million since Roe v. Wade in 1973.”
"If those 45 million children had lived, today they would be defending our country, they would be filling our jobs, they would be paying into Social Security,” Miller said, according to LifeSiteNews.com. "Still, we watch as 3,700 babies are killed every single day in America. It is unbelievable that a nation under God would allow this.”
Miller also said embryonic stem research is the same thing as abortion.
"It is not a proper fate for a human being made in God's image ... killing is wrong when it is called abortion and it is just as wrong when it is called research," LifeSiteNews reported.
Miller urged others to join him in taking a stand against abortion.
"And sometimes in the life of a nation, a time comes when men and women of conscience and courage have to stand up and be counted and say, ‘Enough! No more, this cannot continue.’”
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/3/12/230024.shtml
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Here's the video:
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/multimedia/16853061.htm
One of Zells' main points is that due to abortion we have too few people in this country which is contributing to the lack of people in the armed services, the funding deficit in social security, and also probably to the immigration problem.
Funny how he doesn't mention that ~ 10% of so of those aborted fetus would grow up to be gay. And who's to say how many would grow up an not accept Jesus as their personal saviour. Shit, maybe a large portion of those aborted fetus might have grown up to reject Jesus and be doomed to spend eternity in Hell. Maybe we're doing them a favor by aborting them.
Isn't it interesting that one person can look at this and agree with him and another person can look at this and think he's a nut.
Then again, I thought Dobsons advices in "straightening out" your kids was weird but other's think it makes perfect sense.
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"If those 45 million children had lived, today they would be defending our country, they would be filling our jobs, ...
Yeah, like there's 45 million job openings right now. ::)
What a jackass.
We should've killed 90 million.
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Here's the video:
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/multimedia/16853061.htm
One of Zells' main points is that due to abortion we have too few people in this country which is contributing to the lack of people in the armed services, the funding deficit in social security, and also probably to the immigration problem.
Funny how he doesn't mention that ~ 10% of so of those aborted fetus would grow up to be gay. And who's to say how many would grow up an not accept Jesus as their personal saviour. Shit, maybe a large portion of those aborted fetus might have grown up to reject Jesus and be doomed to spend eternity in Hell. Maybe we're doing them a favor by aborting them.
Isn't it interesting that one person can look at this and agree with him and another person can look at this and think he's a nut.
Then again, I thought Dobsons advices in "straightening out" your kids was weird but other's think it makes perfect sense.
Do you really think anyone thinks showing your son your penis in the shower or having him pound a square peg into a square hole is a deterrent to homosexuality? I have a hard time believing anyone actually agrees with Dobson on those points.
As far as Senator Miller goes, I wonder how long it took him to devise this argument. It's interesting, I never would have thought to blame the Social Security shortage, the shortage of soldiers or immigration problems on abortion. He must have been strategizing for months to come up with those theories.
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What a crock of shit. ::) I guess militarymuscle has an actual arguement now.
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Do you really think anyone thinks showing your son your penis in the shower or having him pound a square peg into a square hole is a deterrent to homosexuality? I have a hard time believing anyone actually agrees with Dobson on those points.
As far as Senator Miller goes, I wonder how long it took him to devise this argument. It's interesting, I never would have thought to blame the Social Security shortage, the shortage of soldiers or immigration problems on abortion. He must have been strategizing for months to come up with those theories.
Beach Bum has written that it makes perfect sense to him. If not for that I would also have a hard time believing anyone actually agrees with Dobson on this point either.
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I find it out how the libs scream outrage that 3,000+ U.S. soldiers, adults who chose to enter the military knowing a war could break out at anytime, are dead but don't care about the 45 MILLION innocent babies slaughtered!
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It's all because of Gloria Steinem and the CIA-backed attempt to destabilize the family. If it weren't for commie-pinko feminists and their nefarious dealings with rogue members of elite government security agencies, the breeders would be happily content producing millions of worker drones for the country.
(Brought to you by Canada's foremost authority on why feminism is solely responsible for the ruination of the planet and all other bad things in the cosmos. :))
http://www.savethemales.ca/180302.html
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It's all because of Gloria Steinem and the CIA-backed attempt to destabilize the family. If it weren't for commie-pinko feminists and their nefarious dealings with rogue members of elite government security agencies, the breeders would be happily content producing millions of worker drones for the country.
(Brought to you by Canada's foremost authority on why feminism is solely responsible for the ruination of the planet and all other bad things in the cosmos. :))
http://www.savethemales.ca/180302.html
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Work is hell these days... need a laugh. (Not that "Operation Red Stockings" is any kind of laughing matter. ;))
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damn this is the stupidest shit ive ever heard.
who carse about abortions, its not 'murder' ::) its the medical removal of a fetus, basically a sack of meat,not a person yet.
and the last thing america needs is 45 million more people ::)
in fact it would be EXCELLENT for the overall health of this nation if we REMOVED 45 million more people
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Beach Bum has written that it makes perfect sense to him. If not for that I would also have a hard time believing anyone actually agrees with Dobson on this point either.
O Rly? Perhaps you can quote me on this? :)
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It's all because of Gloria Steinem and the CIA-backed attempt to destabilize the family. If it weren't for commie-pinko feminists and their nefarious dealings with rogue members of elite government security agencies, the breeders would be happily content producing millions of worker drones for the country.
(Brought to you by Canada's foremost authority on why feminism is solely responsible for the ruination of the planet and all other bad things in the cosmos. :))
http://www.savethemales.ca/180302.html
Well . . . . :-\ I wouldn't blame the CIA, because they're too busy controlling the media (unless the media is reporting a favorable CT poll), but feminism gets its share of blame for destabilizing the traditional family IMO. Elizabeth Cady Stanton did some remarkable things for women, but her progeny have not served her well when it comes to marriage and family.
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O Rly? Perhaps you can quote me on this? :)
From the thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=133374.0
Among other reasons:
1. I find it amusing that people who probably don't have a son (a straight one anyway) or kids at all criticize a child rearing expert.
2. I read the entire article and it is a great read. Makes sense to me.
3. I've read Dr. Dobson's books and I think he is a wonderful psychologist.
4. I particularly like this expert, which is a real eye opener IMO:
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...but don't care about the 45 MILLION innocent babies slaughtered!
Innocent, my ass.
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I actually thought it was closer to 48 million now. Talk about a tragedy. :'( What's worse, is that we pay for these abortions with our own tax dollars. In the last 5-10 years, taxpayers have funded Planned Parenthood with something like $1.5billion!!! And then they have the audacity to use our own tax money to appeal the Supreme Court's decision to ban partial-birth abortion. I'm glad there's a bill that's been introduced to defund Planned Parenthood.
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From the thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=133374.0
And I stand by that. Great read. He made some terrific points in the article.
Just so we're clear, he did not say you have to show your penis to your son to prevent your son from becoming a homosexual and nowhere have I said I believe that to be true. So, for you to say Dobson says this, and that I agree, is inaccurate.
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And I stand by that. Great read. He made some terrific points in the article.
Just so we're clear, he did not say you have to show your penis to your son to prevent your son from becoming a homosexual and nowhere have I said I believe that to be true. So, for you to say Dobson says this, and that I agree, is inaccurate.
You mean i've been showing my penis too people at the mall and it hasn't been helping to stem off homosexuality? DAM!
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I actually thought it was closer to 48 million now. Talk about a tragedy. :'( What's worse, is that we pay for these abortions with our own tax dollars. In the last 5-10 years, taxpayers have funded Planned Parenthood with something like $1.5billion!!! And then they have the audacity to use our own tax money to appeal the Supreme Court's decision to ban partial-birth abortion. I'm glad there's a bill that's been introduced to defund Planned Parenthood.
Hey C-500, nice to see ya again ;D
P.S. i totally disagree withyour posts, well not really, but kind of, how much more would it have cost us in welfare and AFDC?
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You mean i've been showing my penis too people at the mall and it hasn't been helping to stem off homosexuality? DAM!
lol. I was talking to a traumatized secretary in my office who saw a homeless guying peeing at the bus stop yesterday. :)
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lol. I was talking to a traumatized secretary in my office who saw a homeless guying peeing at the bus stop yesterday. :)
I have a home BB.
It's the cardboard box about 100 yards from the bus stop! ;D
Oh and by the way, the last 2 years i visited my folks there, i stayed at those Army Condos on the beach on the west side of the island about 15 miles or more past those hotels where all the pro bowl players stay..... I saw lots of homeless people living on the beach and i've come to the conclusion that if i was ever homeless, Hawaii is the place to be!
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I actually thought it was closer to 48 million now. Talk about a tragedy. :'( What's worse, is that we pay for these abortions with our own tax dollars. In the last 5-10 years, taxpayers have funded Planned Parenthood with something like $1.5billion!!! And then they have the audacity to use our own tax money to appeal the Supreme Court's decision to ban partial-birth abortion. I'm glad there's a bill that's been introduced to defund Planned Parenthood.
It would be a lot more expensive to let them live.
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And I stand by that. Great read. He made some terrific points in the article.
Just so we're clear, he did not say you have to show your penis to your son to prevent your son from becoming a homosexual and nowhere have I said I believe that to be true. So, for you to say Dobson says this, and that I agree, is inaccurate.
BB - we've already had this discussion and YES he did offer this as part of the presription to make sure your son grows up straight
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As far as Senator Miller goes, I wonder how long it took him to devise this argument. It's interesting, I never would have thought to blame the Social Security shortage, the shortage of soldiers or immigration problems on abortion. He must have been strategizing for months to come up with those theories.
Nah... Hitler opined/ranted along the same lines. It's old stuff really.
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I have a home BB.
It's the cardboard box about 100 yards from the bus stop! ;D
Oh and by the way, the last 2 years i visited my folks there, i stayed at those Army Condos on the beach on the west side of the island about 15 miles or more past those hotels where all the pro bowl players stay..... I saw lots of homeless people living on the beach and i've come to the conclusion that if i was ever homeless, Hawaii is the place to be!
Waianae. Next time you should stay at Barbers Point (on the way to Waianae, right by the Ihilani--where the Pro Bowlers stay) or Bellows (in Waimanalo). I like both of those better than the places out in Waianae.
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BB - we've already had this discussion and YES he did offer this as part of the presription to make sure your son grows up straight
No he didn't. He offered this as part of affirming your son's "maleness":
"Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger."
Nowhere does he say showing your son your penis prevents homosexuality.
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I can't believe there's an actual debate over what "affirm your son's maleness" means. ::)
Not to mention the fact that some jackass wants men to take a shower with their sons so that the son can see that his father has a larger penis than he does. This clown makes 240 and his 9/11 conspiracy theories look stable.
BTW, don't forget to have your son pound a square peg into a square hole. ::)
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I can't believe there's an actual debate over what "affirm your son's maleness" means. ::)
Not to mention the fact that some jackass wants men to take a shower with their sons so that the son can see that his father has a larger penis than he does. This clown makes 240 and his 9/11 conspiracy theories look stable.
BTW, don't forget to have your son pound a square peg into a square hole. ::)
yes, don't use a round peg or it might not work. It's all very scientific.
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No he didn't. He offered this as part of affirming your son's "maleness":
"Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger."
Nowhere does he say showing your son your penis prevents homosexuality.
BB - We've had virtually this exact discussion already.
The article (the one you said you read, thought was great read and makes sense) is called: Can Homosexuality Be Treated and Prevented?
and YES, exposing your penis to your son is one the ways suggested to affirm his males so that you can PREVENT him from being gay.
again, your words: I read the entire article and it is a great read. Makes sense to me.
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BB - We've had virtually this exact discussion already.
The article (the one you said you read, thought was great read and makes sense) is called: Can Homosexuality Be Treated and Prevented?
and YES, exposing your penis to your son is one the ways suggested to affirm his males so that you can PREVENT him from being gay.
again, your words: I read the entire article and it is a great read. Makes sense to me.
Straw that's your interpretation of his comments. I read the entire article and yes his comments, in context, make sense to I think you are taking them out of context. For example, he also mentioned playing catch with your son. He didn't say playing catch with your son will prevent him from becoming a homosexual.
I think Dr. Dobson is absolutely right about teaching your son the differences between men and women. You cannot raise boys and girls the same way.
Keep in mind this is a man who has dedicated his life to studying and educating people about how to raise kids. I don't agree with everything he says, but I trust his advice. I'm one of more than 200 million people who listens to him on the radio.
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Straw that's your interpretation of his comments. I read the entire article and yes his comments, in context, make sense to I think you are taking them out of context. For example, he also mentioned playing catch with your son. He didn't say playing catch with your son will prevent him from becoming a homosexual.
I think Dr. Dobson is absolutely right about teaching your son the differences between men and women. You cannot raise boys and girls the same way.
Keep in mind this is a man who has dedicated his life to studying and educating people about how to raise kids. I don't agree with everything he says, but I trust his advice. I'm one of more than 200 million people who listens to him on the radio.
BB - this debate is ridiculous. The title of the article is not my interpretation. The subject of the article is not my interpretation.
There's no nuance here. Why all the semantic contortions?
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BB - this debate is ridiculous. The title of the article is not my interpretation. The subject of the article is not my interpretation.
There's no nuance here. Why all the semantic contortions?
I agree this is ridiculous. The article no more says a father has to show his son his penis to prevent homosexuality than it says throwing a football with your son will prevent homosexuality. That really is absurd Straw.
I think what you're trying to do is paint Dobson as a nut. I think he's incredibly bright and has tremendous insight on raising kids, including how to raise boys.
We just have to agree to disagree. :)
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I agree this is ridiculous. The article no more says a father has to show his son his penis to prevent homosexuality than it says throwing a football with your son will prevent homosexuality. That really is absurd Straw.
I think what you're trying to do is paint Dobson as a nut. I think he's incredibly bright and has tremendous insight on raising kids, including how to raise boys.
We just have to agree to disagree. :)
Let's say you're right and I have somehow got the wrong impression and that this has nothing to do with "preventing and treating" homosexuality.
I mean, you can't really blame me for being confused given the title of the article.
Maybe you can explain to me the purpose of showering with your son and specifically the purpose of making sure he see's that you have penis just like his, only bigger. Also, what exactly is the purpose of pounding square pegs in square holes.
If you're going to tell me to "affirm his maleness" I would again ask you for what purpose. What is it supposed to accomplish?
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Let's say you're right and I have somehow got the wrong impression and that this has nothing to do with "preventing and treating" homosexuality.
I mean, you can't really blame me for being confused given the title of the article.
Maybe you can explain to me the purpose of showering with your son and specifically the purpose of making sure he see's that you have penis just like his, only bigger. Also, what exactly is the purpose of pounding square pegs in square holes.
If you're going to tell me to "affirm his maleness" I would again ask you for what purpose. What is it supposed to accomplish?
Straw I agree there is room for interpretation and possibly some confusion.
One of the things I took away from the entire article is that boys and girls are different and cannot be raised the same way. They don't talk the same way, walk the same way, they are built differently, they look different. I remember looking at my soon a few years ago and thinking "he walks like a boy." He's a little soft for my tastes (thanks to his mother), but I don't raise him the same way I do my daughters. I recently had the "birds and bees" talk with him and one of the things we talked about is the difference between men and woman, complete with pictures. I have a book that we'll be reading together that talks about, among other things, the different stages of puberty, including how his little wiener will grow, complete with pictures. I don't do the shower thing, but I do the equivalent by showing him pictures of the different stages of, for example, pubic hair growth.
My son and I also recently had a talk about "crying like man." He will still occasionally cry when he is punished (not necessarily corporal punishment either). He was whining like a baby the other day. We talked about what distinguishes a boy from a sissy (I don't believe sissy = homosexual) and how crying when you don't get your way and/or when you get sent to your room makes you look like a sissy. I don't want him acting like a little girl.
So, when I read Dobson's comments, he affirmed what I've already been doing with my own son, namely, highlighting the differences between girls and boys, men and women. There are multiple ways to do this.
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Straw I agree there is room for interpretation and possibly some confusion.
One of the things I took away from the entire article is that boys and girls are different and cannot be raised the same way. They don't talk the same way, walk the same way, they are built differently, they look different. I remember looking at my soon a few years ago and thinking "he walks like a boy." He's a little soft for my tastes (thanks to his mother), but I don't raise him the same way I do my daughters. I recently had the "birds and bees" talk with him and one of the things we talked about is the difference between men and woman, complete with pictures. I have a book that we'll be reading together that talks about, among other things, the different stages of puberty, including how his little wiener will grow, complete with pictures. I don't do the shower thing, but I do the equivalent by showing him pictures of the different stages of, for example, pubic hair growth.
My son and I also recently had a talk about "crying like man." He will still occasionally cry when he is punished (not necessarily corporal punishment either). He was whining like a baby the other day. We talked about what distinguishes a boy from a sissy (I don't believe sissy = homosexual) and how crying when you don't get your way and/or when you get sent to your room makes you look like a sissy. I don't want him acting like a little girl.
So, when I read Dobson's comments, he affirmed what I've already been doing with my own son, namely, highlighting the differences between girls and boys, men and women. There are multiple ways to do this.
Wait - you're saying girls and boys are different? Really?
I wonder how the human race managed to raise their kids before Dobson showed up to explain stuff like this to us.
OK - all joking aside - are you saying that Dobson just decided to throw some all purpose child rearing advice into his article title: Can Homosexuality be Prevent and Treated? and said advice has nothing whatsoever to do with preventing and treating homosexuality in children?
and what again is the purpose of pounding the square peg in the square hole. I know is has nothing to do with preventing gayness but I still don't understand why I should be doing that with my kid.
Dobsons stuff is so hard to understand. I really thought from the title and the content of the article that it was about how to prevent and/or cure your kid from being gay.
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Wait - yuo're saying girls and boys are different? Really?
OK - all joking aside - are you saying that Dobson just decided to throw some all purpose child rearing advice into his article title: Can Homosexuality be Prevent and Treated? and said advice has nothing whatsoever to do with preventing and treating homosexuality in children?
Depends on who you talk too. Some people do actually believe boys and girls should be raised the same way.
Yes the article talks about how homosexuality can be prevented, treated, etc.
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This debate is still going on? LOL
Don't forget to shower with your son and make sure he sees your penis and after that you can have him pound a square peg into a square hole.
Straw, you're a saint for debating rationally on a topic that isn't rational.
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Depends on who you talk too. Some people do actually believe boys and girls should be raised the same way.
Yes the article talks about how homosexuality can be prevented, treated, etc.
but showering with your kid specifically so he can see your large adult penis and pounding square pegs into square holes has nothing to do with preventing and treating homosexuality?
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This debate is still going on? LOL
Don't forget to shower with your son and make sure he sees your penis and after that you can have him pound a square peg into a square hole.
Straw, you're a saint for debating rationally on a topic that isn't rational.
I'm kind of amazed by BB's logical gymnastics.
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but showering with your kid specifically so he can see your large adult penis and pounding square pegs into square holes has nothing to do with preventing and treating homosexuality?
I guess if you want to ask me the same questions, I can give the same answers:
"Straw that's your interpretation of his comments. I read the entire article and yes his comments, in context, make sense to [me.] I think you are taking them out of context. For example, he also mentioned playing catch with your son. He didn't say playing catch with your son will prevent him from becoming a homosexual."
"The article no more says a father has to show his son his penis to prevent homosexuality than it says throwing a football with your son will prevent homosexuality. That really is absurd Straw."
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I guess if you want to ask me the same questions, I can give the same answers:
"Straw that's your interpretation of his comments. I read the entire article and yes his comments, in context, make sense to [me.] I think you are taking them out of context. For example, he also mentioned playing catch with your son. He didn't say playing catch with your son will prevent him from becoming a homosexual."
"The article no more says a father has to show his son his penis to prevent homosexuality than it says throwing a football with your son will prevent homosexuality. That really is absurd Straw."
OK so you agree that the article IS about the treatment and prevention of homosexuality but the prescription about showering with your kid so he can see your junk and showing him how to pound a square peg in a square hole has NOTHING to do with treatment and prevention of homosexuality.
I guess I just can't follow your logic. You're saying the content of the article has absolutly nothing to do with the title of the article
BTW - you still haven't explained the purpose of the peg pounding.
I know you'll tell me it's got nothing to do with treating/preventing gayness but what is it for??
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OK so you agree that the article IS about the treatment and prevention of homosexuality but the prescription about showering with your kid so he can see your junk and showing him how to pound a square peg in a square hole has NOTHING to do with treatment and prevention of homosexuality.
I guess I just can't follow your logic
BTW - you still haven't explained the purpose of the peg pounding.
I know you'll tell me it's got nothing to do with treating/preventing gayness but what is it for??
What about showing your son your penis while in the shower? What possible purpose could that serve?
Straw, you need to be a Moderator, you're much more level headed than the rest of us. This insane debate proves that beyond any doubt.
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OK so you agree that the article IS about the treatment and prevention of homosexuality but the prescription about showering with your kid so he can see your junk and showing him how to pound a square peg in a square hole has NOTHING to do with treatment and prevention of homosexuality.
I guess I just can't follow your logic. You're saying the content of the article has absolutly nothing to do with the title of the article
BTW - you still haven't explained the purpose of the peg pounding.
I know you'll tell me it's got nothing to do with treating/preventing gayness but what is it for??
LOL. Okay, I won't keep repeating the same answers to the same questions. You are free to go back and read my responses . . . again. :)
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LOL. Okay, I won't keep repeating the same answers to the same questions. You are free to go back and read my responses . . . again. :)
You've yet to explain the purpose of the peg pounding or the actual purpose for showing your kid your cock.
I do find it amazing that you agree on the premise of the article (wacky all by itself) yet insist that the content of the article has absolutely nothing to do with the premise.
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What about showing your son your penis while in the shower? What possible purpose could that serve?
Straw, you need to be a Moderator, you're much more level headed than the rest of us. This insane debate proves that beyond any doubt.
What's so insane? Dobson wrote an article about how to Treat and Prevent Homosexuality and Beach Bum is just pointing out that in spite of the title, the actual content of the article has nothing whatsoever to do with Treatment and Prevention of Homosexaulity.
It's totally clear and perfectly logical......to Beach Bum
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Yeah, like there's 45 million job openings right now. ::)
What a jackass.
We should've killed 90 million.
You can start with yourself. We'll just call it a really late term abortion.
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Innocent, my ass.
Yes, innocent. They did nothing wrong, nothing to deserve to die!
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Yeah, like there's 45 million job openings right now. ::)
What a jackass.
We should've killed 90 million.
Just right. Reading these comments make me wonder why there haven't been even more abortions in past years, like 1970-1996, when all you little wankers have born.
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Yes, innocent. They did nothing wrong, nothing to deserve to die!
Like you give 2 cents about aborted fetuses. ::)
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Yes, innocent. They did nothing wrong, nothing to deserve to die!
They got conceived.
Look around, it's clear that most embryos never should've been allowed to continue living.