test p vs test e question for those who did them both

[Borracho]

Ya I guess, I would not know cause I never take low doses    lmao

AWESOME! 

[Red29]

lol that's precisely why I feel so much remorse every time I squeeze them! I know I shouldn't be doing it, but it feels like they need to be milked.

Every time I do it I'm thinking "fuck, I should really stop pinning and fucking with my body". But because I always do it in the bathroom the mirror's right there and I start posing down for a good 20 minutes or until my wife asks what the fuck I'm doing. I'm milking my tits and posing down - FUCK OFF!!


You ever throw down a fuck ton of letro in desperation? My glands were hard as rocks and as large as marbles but now they're gone. Everyone says you can't get rid of hard gyno but pseudo gyno can be dealt with sans surgery. Mine are fine though. Seen a few friends blast it with letro with varying degrees of success. Much better to have a limp dick and sore joints than to fork out $4k for surgery. I simply lucked out. Had a couple of consultations and was about to book time off work and it suddenly disappeared.

this is what im planning on doing soon. i have lumps, about the size of a nickel. i can see them thru nearly any shirt i wear and it pisses me off cus thats the worst physical side i have gotten. acne is something i can deal with especially since my face is nearly always pretty clear just my back gets all nasty when i swap compounds especially tren. this has led me to believe that next time i run tren, im going to taper it down rather then just go off of it. my face is nearly perfect, but my back is spotted up nicely.

i want to blast some pharm grade letro to kill the shit out of it, but i have no idea when the best time would be to do this...! ive just begun my offseason a couple weeks ago, running deca with low test and its really great im not having any issues at all. the right lump is the size of a quarter and the left one is a nickel sized lump. the right one is worse by far, and actually hard. left side isnt really hard but its there. im going to cruise starting late november just 1cc enanthate weekly.

what would you guys recommend though? OTH and galeniko espically

[no one]

^ i know you asked gal and oth, but i say get the shit cut out and up the dose bro. dont dance around it couse you'll be skirting around it the rest of your life.

[Red29]

^ i know you asked gal and oth, but i say get the shit cut out and up the dose bro. dont dance around it couse you'll be skirting around it the rest of your life.

i asked everyone but specifically them..

if i could afford it man i would do it in a heart beat. insurance dont cover it. only thing i have for now is try and use letro to get it down as much as possible and keep it down until i can afford to get it cut out which will be quite a long time since im still in school

[Red29]

^ i know you asked gal and oth, but i say get the shit cut out and up the dose bro. dont dance around it couse you'll be skirting around it the rest of your life.

haha yes dose will be upped my man! gotta wait for this deca to plateau me first though. 750mg of deca ought to have me in the mid 220s low 230s just gotta wait and pound the food. thank god nandrolone doesnt do anything bad to me- i can run a gram of it and have no issues, but 500mg of test or 40mg of dbol is a totally different story.

[deceiver]

i think all compounds do not affect all people the same, despite what 'coventional wisdom' or research suggests.

i know that tren ace turns me into a porn star (ok, bigger porn star) and that NPP causes me to shed like crazy. conventional wisdom says neither should happen.

i think people should experiment with such compounds with out any preconcieved notions, pay attention to what is going on in their body, and create an expectation based on experience rather than supposition.

it's two different topics.

obviously everyone is different. that's not broscience, it's science actually. when doctor prescribes pills to your girls it's same as us with drugs. it's all trial and error because everyone is different.

you see, I know people who said it's impossible to get bloated face on 200mg/week of test. I do. They tell me I'm seeing things. Then my real life friends can notice the difference, not even bodybuilders - just average people. There's no fucking theory that says - oh, it's impossible, bla bla.

But then again, when you have some really simple claim like - does saw palmetto help with prostate growth then it's VERY simple to evaluate whether it's true or not. all it takes is gathering control groups, perform double blind study, 1st year of college math and voila.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110927161640.htm

[Red29]

yes i say the same, recklessly let it happen(i know sounds like joke but its not), and then have it cut out, i also recommend taking all the gland out, or it can happen again lol.

but ill adress the question as asked anyway.

but this is how you treat gyno, by operation.

if you have an enemy you hate alot, and have option to temporarly knock him out but you know he will be back, and the option is to  wipe him off the face of the earth, what you do?

besides, the gyno op separetes the pussys from the men, when suffered that, youll know if you really love this sport or not.

many have been like "uh, ill never do this again" after the op.haha

lol idc bout operations ive had like 5 and all before i turned 18 haha. not a problem for me, in fact i like hospitals

[Big Chiro Flex]

This is a great thread, good replies all around

[whitewidow]

hm but hows less aromatization possible?

i mean, when the ester is disregarded, test is test, no?

will it be down to less acumulation effect?
yeah takes kinda long to peak no doubt, but after 2-3 weeks, one is kinda almost at peak on e, more or less, would you say that is the only difference?
why couple hours before workout, would it matter if its 24hrs before?

yes chiro, the sides on many kind of gears seem random, and often individual.only test long esters sides are documented really well and somewhat consistent.
all the rest suddenly changes in the "black book".
one example now its being said tren isnt as androgenic as always believed, but just extremly anabolic.
i mean how can the view on such a thing change by 180degree suddenly?and hows that established in the first place anyway, the anablic androgenic ration?those number always seemed like bs to me anyway

No I also feel stronger on Test prop. The injections can be somewhat painfull but it kicks Test E's ass. leaner gains ,faster strength gains. I am just to impatient to use Test E alone. I like using both Test prop and Test E. I like suspebnsion the most but I lost my aquaviron hookup.

[bigmc]

No I also feel stronger on Test prop. The injections can be somewhat painfull but it kicks Test E's ass. leaner gains ,faster strength gains. I am just to impatient to use Test E alone. I like using both Test prop and Test E. I like suspebnsion the most but I lost my aquaviron hookup.

i agree with this

[Rajkapoor]

I have a lot of friends who are IFBB pros bro, lots and they all use deca and d-bol at one point or another, they use everything, enlighten us, you know something we don't?

than chances are they are not very good pro,s and they will be lot better if they stop takin them.some people are genetic freaks they can grow on almost anything even on 6 month expire stuff.most pro,s are genetic freaks they would not be pro bodybuilders other wise.that made genetically inferior people think they are on shit load of gear.thats the biggest confusion in bodybuilding circuits and i dont see any change in it in near future actually chances are it will get worse.great news for dealers.that is why even if pro telling you what he is on you will never believe him.so they dont bother or tell you something you want to hear.remmember the cycle dorian wrote on MD did anyone belive that....No..i am no body why some one would believe me but if you are wise just give it a try and take deca and dbol out of your stack. guaranteed quality physique high sex drive stamina and strength.if 600gm prop,500gm tren,1000mg bold 10iu GH on off days can not make you a pro in few year time than stop wasting you money and be a recreational weight trainer.

[Red29]

than chances are they are not very good pro,s and they will be lot better if they stop takin them.some people are genetic freaks they can grow on almost anything even on 6 month expire stuff.most pro,s are genetic freaks they would not be pro bodybuilders other wise.that made genetically inferior people think they are on shit load of gear.thats the biggest confusion in bodybuilding circuits and i dont see any change in it in near future actually chances are it will get worse.great news for dealers.that is why even if pro telling you what he is on you will never believe him.so they dont bother or tell you something you want to hear.remmember the cycle dorian wrote on MD did anyone belive that....No..i am no body why some one would believe me but if you are wise just give it a try and take deca and dbol out of your stack. guaranteed quality physique high sex drive stamina and strength.if 600gm prop,500gm tren,1000mg bold 10iu GH on off days can not make you a pro in few year time than stop wasting you money and be a recreational weight trainer.

double or triple those doses then i think its time to throw in the towel.

[King Shizzo]

yes i say the same, recklessly let it happen(i know sounds like joke but its not), and then have it cut out, i also recommend taking all the gland out, or it can happen again lol.

but ill adress the question as asked anyway.

but this is how you treat gyno, by operation.

if you have an enemy you hate alot, and have option to temporarly knock him out but you know he will be back, and the option is to  wipe him off the face of the earth, what you do?
besides, the gyno op separetes the pussys from the men, when suffered that, youll know if you really love this sport or not.

many have been like "uh, ill never do this again" after the op.haha

     

[Mr Nobody]

I am not reading all this shit. Tell us in short.

[bigmc]

I am not reading all this shit. Tell us in short.

take test p unless you want to be a bag of puffy water 

[Mr Nobody]

take test p unless you want to be a bag of puffy water 

Thanks

[Red29]

take test p unless you want to be a bag of puffy water 

and then it goes into some gyno talk too

[whitewidow]

yah, but recovery, the p doesnt even come close.

well you can use both esters just use 100mg of Test prop Eod and 250mg of Test E twice a week. I just like the faster acting esters that goes with tren,masteron,deca. I prefer Masteron propionate, Trenbolone acetate, and NPP. I dont like longer acting esters , the short ester form of Tren,Masteron and nPP are better -IMO. I don't know who would choose Tren E over Tren A or masteron E over masteron P same goes for Test I rather use Test E or better yet suspension but I also like sust, If I use Test E I also use Test P as well.

[Red29]

well you can use both esters just use 100mg of Test prop Eod and 250mg of Test E twice a week. I just like the faster acting esters that goes with tren,masteron,deca. I prefer Masteron propionate, Trenbolone acetate, and NPP. I dont like longer acting esters , the short ester form of Tren,Masteron and nPP are better -IMO. I don't know who would choose Tren E over Tren A or masteron E over masteron P same goes for Test I rather use Test E or better yet suspension but I also like sust, If I use Test E I also use Test P as well.

see i loved NPP when i ran it it was a great compound IMO. BUT the gains left very quickly and i dont think it added a whole lot of actual muscle to me. i wasnt running a wimpy dose either i used 300mg EOD which is a lot. i got really full on it, and not much extra water retention but as soon as i stopped using it the gains dropped off within about 2-4 weeks. now this is my first run with deca, so i cant say i know whats going to happen exactly, but my friend who ran only 10 weeks of deca and test e at 600mg each, he STILL looks like he ran a hell of a cycle and this is 8 months AFTER he went cold turkey- didnt even cruise or PCT or anything just went off. ive heard a lot of similar correlating reports about this difference between NPP and deca from others as well.

WW what do you think about this

[Mr Nobody]

Just lift.

[no one]

well you can use both esters just use 100mg of Test prop Eod and 250mg of Test E twice a week. I just like the faster acting esters that goes with tren,masteron,deca. I prefer Masteron propionate, Trenbolone acetate, and NPP. I dont like longer acting esters , the short ester form of Tren,Masteron and nPP are better -IMO. I don't know who would choose Tren E over Tren A or masteron E over masteron P same goes for Test I rather use Test E or better yet suspension but I also like sust, If I use Test E I also use Test P as well.

this is enough to give most people the type of water issues they are trying to avoid.

[Red29]

this is enough to give most people the type of water issues they are trying to avoid.

yeah. ideally- test base ed. but that shit hurts if you dont cut it with sterile oil. or if your source sucks

[monstermunch]

Why do you need to inject test E twice a week?

[THE BOUNCER]

I doubt you really NEED to but I feel better doing 1cc test E twice per week over 2 cc once per week.

Less moody, higher sex drive, fuller looking etc.. Just my experience.

[monstermunch]

I doubt you really NEED to but I feel better doing 1cc test E twice per week over 2 cc once per week.

Less moody, higher sex drive, fuller looking etc.. Just my experience.

Was under the impression you should avoid extra scar tissue whenever possible, might give it a go...I'm a novice 

Whats a typical stack look like for you?