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Apparently killed himself:(
http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-dead/#.T6GKCujWaSo
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Watching it now......damn!
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Oh man , thats sucks, True SOCAL Legend, USC and San Diego Great
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Concussions are no joke
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Shot himself in the chest
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Steroids are to blame.
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Shot himself in the chest
apparently to preserve his brain for research
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Damn:
Seau is the eighth member of the Chargers 1994 Super Bowl team to pass.
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bstXBEDnG9w/TLyogUABgcI/AAAAAAAADu8/QRvQ60Xc6p8/s1600/Junior+Seau+girlfriend2.jpg)
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/kristian_dyer/11/09/ian.seau/seau.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ZxKZ2zpzUk/TM8XfYKCxOI/AAAAAAAAAKw/zisS7f239fA/s320/SEAU_RETIRES.jpg)
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apparently to preserve his brain for research
Same thing Dave Duerson did.
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Concussions are no joke
43 yrs old .... 20 years in the NFL, 3 years of college ball, 4 years of high school, and im sure he played peewee ball since he was 5 yrs old
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Consussions are to blame. This is happening to a lot of NFL vets.
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It amazes me that eight guys from a pro football team from 1994 are now dead. Those guys should all be like 45-55 today tops.
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:'(
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43 years old. Tragic.
Death WIKI
On May 2nd, 2012, Oceanside police responded to reports of a shot fired at Seau's home there. A witness reported hearing from the police that Seau committed suicide. [19]
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a heck of a player and good spokesman for the sport.shame.
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i wonder if he donated his Brain in his will for studies like Dave Duerson did
(http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/football-helmet-brain.jpg)
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-02/59707772.jpg)
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i wonder if he donated his Brain in his will for studies like Dave Duerson did
yes, shot himself in chest to preserve head.
i guess the head injuries must be really bad.
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in 2010, he had a domestic violence charge. Drove his truck off a cliff and survived. Told police he fell asleep.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/10/18/junior-seau-drives-truck-off-a-cliff/
So maybe this was a 2nd attempt?
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Stupid Sport.
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Stupid Sport.
Unfortunately, it's turned into launching and hitting rather than tackling. Played as it was intended, it's a great sport.
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SHIT, concussion is serious business......and it ain't no fucking Jokes......Goodell is doing a good Job laying down the rules.......R.I.P Seau
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in 2010, he had a domestic violence charge. Drove his truck off a cliff and survived. Told police he fell asleep.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/10/18/junior-seau-drives-truck-off-a-cliff/
So maybe this was a 2nd attempt?
at the time he told police "I wasn't trying to kill myself" :P
I wonder what goes through someone's head that taking their own life seems like an option, can't even fathom it.
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hope this asshole left a suicide note for his kids, family and friends at the very least
its funny to me how TMZ is now the source for NEWS and CNN, FOX, NBC, ABC relay their news after
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he texted them yesterday that he loved them. pretty damn sad. 43 years old, way too young. he must have been a tortured guy.
TMZ had it at least a half hour before espn broke it.
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An absolute animal on the football field. Seau was scary good in his prime. Just a beast. I think he played 19 seasons. That's an impressive tenure but a lot of accumulated hits and blows to the head over the years.
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he texted them yesterday that he loved them. pretty damn sad. 43 years old, way too young. he must have been a tortured guy.
TMZ had it at least a half hour before espn broke it.
he killed himself so his brain could be studied. :'( poor dude. He kicked ass on the field.
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RIP, Incredible player.
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The concussion excuse is just pure bullshit. He was a nutcase most likely his entire life and warning signs were surely present. Boxers have been taking worse hits to the head for years with no protection, yet their suicide rate is not excessively high.
LOL at anyone who thinks football tackles created this.
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An absolute animal on the football field. Seau was scary good in his prime. Just a beast. I think he played 19 seasons. That's an impressive tenure but a lot of accumulated hits and blows to the head over the years.
I guarantee you a West Virginian coal miner has it more rough than little baby coward Junior Seau. Same with the construction worker who operates a jackhammer day in and day out. Thats way more grueling than dancing around like a fairy and chasing a black man and his balls around artificial grass for under an hour not even a quarter of a year.
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WOW !! R.I.P Jr. :'( :'(
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The concussion excuse is just pure bullshit. He was a nutcase most likely his entire life and warning signs were surely present. Boxers have been taking worse hits to the head for years with no protection, yet their suicide rate is not excessively high.
LOL at anyone who thinks football tackles created this.
how often do boxers fight?
16+ games of nfl a year. 100+ hits a game. it all about reps.
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how often do boxers fight?
16+ games of nfl a year. 100+ hits a game. it all about reps.
Ever heard of sparring sessions whilst not fighting? Football is a joke.
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chris benoit, andre waters, mike webster. how far behind will briam dawkins be?
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sad... rip
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how often do boxers fight?
16+ games of nfl a year. 100+ hits a game. it all about reps.
You can't be serious.
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R.I.P.
One of my favorite all time players.
Sad way to go.
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if it wasn't for the rassler christopher nowinski no one would give a shit about concussions. there is a link between concussions and als lou gehrigs disease too. when i played hs football some guy got a concussion didn't remember what day it was, and the coaches told him to go home and come back when he wanted to play, pussy.
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Sad to see one of the greats go out like that. Will most likely be seeing more and more of this as the guys from the last 20 years get older and start suffering more and more from the problems.
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Ever heard of sparring sessions whilst not fighting? Football is a joke.
I think someone got swirlies from the HS football team
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I guarantee you a West Virginian coal miner has it more rough than little baby coward Junior Seau. Same with the construction worker who operates a jackhammer day in and day out. Thats way more grueling than dancing around like a fairy and chasing a black man and his balls around artificial grass for under an hour not even a quarter of a year.
You're a tool.
And a pussy. Hope this helps.
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RIP Junior! One of the best linebackers ever, and a great guy off the field!
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Basically anyone who has played football at that level will have brain damage....a warrior's death
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He won't recover.
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Suicides are committed by all kinds of people and happen in all corners of the world. Among others, pro athletes suicide, young children suicide, poor miners suicide, old people suicide, doctors suicide, famous authors suicide, and jackhammer handling construction workers suicide. In any case, the circumstances are always sad and unfortunate. Having watched the reports, it's hard not to moved by how Seau's shocked family is braving on and trying to make some sense of his death. It apparent he was loved, which makes his death even more sad.
Selfishness has many faces...
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steroids will be blamed, that's how it is for anybody suspected of using steroids that dies before 80
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steroids will be blamed, that's how it is for anybody suspected of using steroids that dies before 80
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Depression is very common among elite athletes after retirement.
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imagine doing something since you were 5 or 6 years old living that life and all of a sudden its over after 38 years, must be fucking hard, he should have gotten into coaching and lessen the depression that comes with retirement
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THIS IS A MUST WATCH
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RIP Junior! One of the best linebackers ever, and a great guy off the field!
What? no he wasn't.. he was an arrogant dick 100%.
Great player, though... so it didn't really matter how he was off field, he got paid to play football, and he did it well.
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Well, there is now no debate, Ray Lewis is the greatest living middle linebacker.
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I remember Romanowski said playing football was like being in 10-20 car crashes every Sunday, all the head on impacts. Truly sad about Seau
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You're a tool.
And a pussy. Hope this helps.
Up in them butts!!!
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Selfishness has many faces...
I have never bought into the "selfishness" angle regarding suicide.
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THIS IS A MUST WATCH
I don't think a writer could ever commit suicide, do you?!
BRILLIANT
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Selfishness has many faces...
The brain is held in the skull by a jelly like substance. Having the brain smash into the side of the skull hundreds of times in a lifetime is going to cause some problems and cause sever mental illness. I think its safe to say anyone who's had a boat load of concussions in their lifetime, just might get a pass on being called selfish if they do something that doesn't jive with societies representation of evolution...Come on Parker, if we were to drop someone on their head hundreds of times between the ages of 8 to 40, don't you think the person would have a significant amount of brain damage?
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The concussion excuse is just pure bullshit. He was a nutcase most likely his entire life and warning signs were surely present. Boxers have been taking worse hits to the head for years with no protection, yet their suicide rate is not excessively high.
LOL at anyone who thinks football tackles created this.
He has easily had his brain hit the side of his skull over 100 times in his lifetime. TA, you're a man of science for sure, regardless of what you think of football, certainly you must come to a conclusion that having the brain hit the side of the skull too many times in a lifetime is going to cause serious brain damage? I'm not saying its the end all be all of suicide, but then again, I'm a person who doesn't believe we are all equal so called humans.
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if it wasn't for the rassler christopher nowinski no one would give a shit about concussions. there is a link between concussions and als lou gehrigs disease too. when i played hs football some guy got a concussion didn't remember what day it was, and the coaches told him to go home and come back when he wanted to play, pussy.
They've known about concussions well before Nowinski. They've just been hiding it. Brain injuries have been discussed for thousands of years. Hell, even a monkey knows it needs a rock to hit the nut hard enough to crack the skull and get the peanut from the middle. ;)
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I have never bought into the "selfishness" angle regarding suicide.
Especially with people who's brain has smashed into the sides of their skull over and over. Not all suicides are equal. And not all "humans" are equal ;)
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Especially with people who's brain has smashed into the sides of their skull over and over. Not all suicides are equal.
What about baseball , soccer ,cricket players .....etc.
Trust me depression after retirement is a bitch.
check this out
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-41051/Cricket-Why-life-retirement-just-life-all.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hull-city/9015958/Dean-Windass-reveals-he-attempted-suicide-after-becoming-depressed-following-retirement.html
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Especially with people who's brain has smashed into the sides of their skull over and over. Not all suicides are equal.
Hall of Fame DB Lem Barney says he wished he never played the game...he figures he had about 7 or 8 concussions over the course of his career. Dr's didn't call them that...they used euphemisms like "dingers" and "stingers". That's a travesty...for a MD to give what amounts to a brain injury a cute little nickname to keep the player in the dark....shameful.
Knowing what guys in my age group are putting up with physically and mentally because of the beating they took playing football....I'm beginning to lose interest in following the sport.
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What about baseball , soccer ,cricket players .....etc.
Trust me depression after retirement is a bitch.
check this out
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-41051/Cricket-Why-life-retirement-just-life-all.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hull-city/9015958/Dean-Windass-reveals-he-attempted-suicide-after-becoming-depressed-following-retirement.html
I agree 100%. What i'm talking about is brain damage. Concussions cause brain damage. Damage it enough, and all bets are off.
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Hall of Fame DB Lem Barney says he wished he never played the game...he figures he had about 7 or 8 concussions over the course of his career. Dr's didn't call them that...they used euphemisms like "dingers" and "stingers". That's a travesty...for a MD to give what amounts to a brain injury a cute little nickname to keep the player in the dark....shameful.
Knowing what guys in my age group are putting up with physically and mentally because of the beating they took playing football....I'm beginning to lose interest in following the sport.
Doctors are all under the control of the Hierarchy whether they know it or not. Capitalism is KING and its here to stay. Junior Seau might have grown up to be a mental case if he never played football in his lifetime. But anyone saying the brain crashing against the skull numerous times in a lifetime isn't a problem is either working for the Hierarchy(COINTEL) or unrealistic.
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What about baseball , soccer ,cricket players .....etc.
Trust me depression after retirement is a bitch.
check this out
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-41051/Cricket-Why-life-retirement-just-life-all.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hull-city/9015958/Dean-Windass-reveals-he-attempted-suicide-after-becoming-depressed-following-retirement.html
Also, those soccer players head how many balls in a lifetime between practice and games?
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I agree 100%. What i'm talking about is brain damage. Concussions cause brain damage. Damage it enough, and all bets are off.
I have real brain damage from a motorcycle accident and maybe boxing ,the idea of committing suicide never crossed my mind once but I got very depressed when the doctor told me my boxing career was over
I thought my life was over and I was only 18 years old.
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I have real brain damage
That explains a lot. ;D
j/k it would suck to be told you can't do something you love, especially at such a young age.
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I have real brain damage from a motorcycle accident and maybe boxing ,the idea of committing suicide never crossed my mind once but I got very depressed when the doctor told me my boxing career was over
I thought my life was over and I was only 18 years old.
How old are you?
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That explains a lot. ;D
Haha , no doubt
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Anyone who doesn't think concussions cause mental illness, have never been concussed and/or played a sport where you can get a concussions. This shit is like mental illness 101 in the sports world.
Hits like this were the norm for decades in football.
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wow, that sports science video is scary.
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Anyone who doesn't think concussions cause mental illness, have never been concussed and/or played a sport where you can get a concussions. This shit is like mental illness 101 in the sports world.
Are you sure this is concussion related?
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I thoroughly agree with Che ( and Nails also) but possibly on a much larger scale that exceeds sports personality depression by a large degree.
My own experience is with military people who love the regimented lifestyle and go completely ape-shit when they are released from active duty.
I don't claim this to be the case with Jr. SEAU but a sudden change in a lifrstyle that one really loves ... can have drastic effects on an individual's mental and physical welfare.
I have knowm three individuals who took their own life and in each case those suicides took place upon the sudden absence of someone or something that was very well loved.
CHE, Can you provide more info on your head injury and recovery process and any recent problems?
Sorry to ask this if you feel that it's personal info, but I regard you as one of the more saner GetBiggers on this GetBig Board anf figure that your injury was somewhat minor as far as brain injuries are concerned.
I have blacked out on a few fighting occasions but I don't think I'm any dumber now than those days wen I was a more peaceful critter.
Thanks
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Travis Pastrana, motocross and freestyle legend, estimated he's had a crazy amount of concussions. Something like 20 of them! I shudder to think of his condition when he gets older. Motocross, racing not that bs where they do all the tricks, is the most badass sport in the world by the way
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We've been playing football since the 1890's.
How long have concussion injuries been of major interest/concern to the AMA?
I do know that the major sports equipment companies do a lot of research to protect the players, but what is their success in preventing head injuries?
And how many previous players are currently having problems due to concussion injuries? Is anyone keeping score and maintaining records?
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I'm in San Diego and people were really bummed today. If you saw his mother on TV I don't know how that couldn't upset you. Don't be so quick to judge. Opinions, opinions, opinions, talk, talk, talk. I forgot, it's a message board....
My heart goes out to his family, friends & fans.
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I think most of us feel the same, Stan, but have failed to express it as well as you just did.
Thanks for that.
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The cause of "Clinical Depression" is now being understood as multi-factoral. It is real and needs to be differentiated from the simple label of being "Depressed". Yes, there are (Biological Factors) genetic predispositions to lower production of dopamine levels, underdevelopment of pre-fontal lobe, mis-firing of hippocampus, etc. These same areas can be triggered by trauma to the head (Physical Factors)..
- Even medications, pain killers, etc. can have a profound effect on the release of neurotransmitters. (Environmental Factors)
Let's not forget how most football players interact during practice-- Purposeful striking of the head into pads(Full Force) on top of in-game collisions (2 opposing forces are usually more impactful than direct hits found in boxing) .
When these neuronal pathways are damaged, proven areas of reasoning are never clear for the individual. Example-- Patient w/ early onset of Huntington's disease fail to recognize facial expressions of DISGUST from people. Can you just blame the patient for being naive and say he should know better? My point, he knew that he needed help but could no longer comprehend how? It is very easy to judge that he is a "dirtbag" for leaving his kids, but when you take into account all these factors--his decision was probably the only logical choice he genuinely felt w/ the limitations of his capable thought process. (What he had left) Neurology is a fascinating field and we should not dismiss disorders simply because we do not understand...
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The cause of "Clinical Depression" is now being understood as multi-factoral. It is real and needs to be differentiated from the simple label of being "Depressed". Yes, there are (Biological Factors) genetic predispositions to lower production of dopamine levels, underdevelopment of pre-fontal lobe, mis-firing of hippocampus, etc. These same areas can be triggered by trauma to the head (Physical Factors)..
- Even medications, pain killers, etc. can have a profound effect on the release of neurotransmitters. (Environmental Factors)
Let's not forget how most football players interact during practice-- Purposeful striking of the head into pads(Full Force) on top of in-game collisions (2 opposing forces are usually more impactful than direct hits found in boxing) .
When these neuronal pathways are damaged, proven areas of reasoning are never clear for the individual. Example-- Patient w/ early onset of Huntington's disease fail to recognize facial expressions of DISGUST from people. Can you just blame the patient for being naive and say he should know better? My point, he knew that he needed help but could no longer comprehend how? It is very easy to judge that he is a "dirtbag" for leaving his kids, but when you take into account all these factors--his decision was probably the only logical choice he genuinely felt w/ the limitations of his capable thought process. (What he had left) Neurology is a fascinating field and we should not dismiss disorders simply because we do not understand...
This
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DANNY BOY, that appears to be a darn intelligent statement/prognosis for a typical GetBigger.
Can I ask about your degree and if you work within this "field' " as a school trained professional.
And do you feel that this sad incident will have some beneficial effect (immediate or otherwise) among professional athletics?
Thanks
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I'm currently stuck in Medical school.(have BAs in Sociology n Bus. Management- got into Law School in 04'--decided it was not for me--due to personal ethical issues) LOL .. Took the long road into getting into Med School..(Post-Bacc. Route) But I feel it was all worth it....Actually finishing exams this week to end semester.. I am just intrigued by the many aspects of Abnormal Psychology...
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DANNY BOY, that appears to be a darn intelligent statement/prognosis for a typical GetBigger.
Can I ask about your degree and if you work within this "field' " as a school trained professional.
And do you feel that this sad incident will have some beneficial effect (immediate or otherwise) among professional athletics?
Thanks
I feel that this incident further acknowledges what many doctors/researchers have already found.. This Disorder is found on a continuum.. Just because Guy A and Guy B suffer from the same direct blow--does not mean they have to suffer same fate..It can be beneficial to uncover correlations in exact targeted brain trauma btw similar incidences and how the league can provide better helmet padding to these critically prone areas? Remember-- Many ill effects of neuronal damage are not fully understand, where most are irreversible.. Certain stem cell research is the magic key to unlocking this solution. ie/ regrowth of neuronal connectivity All our cells are configured to have ALL of our DNA-- At our earliest stages-- certain genes get turned off/on and further differentiate to all out tissue/organs/etc. Stem Cells are the "promise" in coding these specific areas to be re-built from scratch--the Blueprint is already there.. we just got to unlock it
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the patriots ted bruski had to take some time off due to to many concussions. His cat scan looked horrible they said. He did come back but I think he retired with some fat super bowl rings but they come with a cost. we are not in their shoes ! Who the hell knows what they have to deal with daily after having all that head damage.I am sure they are misserable. If anybody is a legal millionaire why would they commit suicide. usually millionaires are not depressed. he was fucked in the head from all the concussions and abuse(trauma to the head)
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Sometimes people themselves see the signs of ailments/injuries etc. Forgetfullness, tremors etc and know it is going to get worse. Instead of putting their families thru pain and suffering for the long hall, they commit suicide to save the heartbreak and the agony.
Sad but true.
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Sad news. Accomplished so much, at only 43, too.
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Thanks to most of you guys for this intelligent discussion. To be honest, this subject matter is something that is relatively new to me .... and I have known or have come in contact with a good number of pro ball players over the years and have failed to realize the serious problem or potential problem of head injuries within football.
Danny Boy , you sound like the ideal candidate to receive a federal grant to study this situation ... or is that 'undertaking' already being undertaken?
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They've known about concussions well before Nowinski. They've just been hiding it. Brain injuries have been discussed for thousands of years. Hell, even a monkey knows it needs a rock to hit the nut hard enough to crack the skull and get the peanut from the middle. ;)
yes but it took nowinski getting involved to get the nfl to act upon it and with them the other majpr sports. by the way bill goldberg was playing golf with seau the day before the event.
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It amazes me that eight guys from a pro football team from 1994 are now dead. Those guys should all be like 45-55 today tops.
Why is it amazing? Some were killed in Car Wrecks, Plane Crashes, struck by lightning, the others were Morbidly Obese and had heart attacks or used too many Recreational Drugs. Its really not that shocking.
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I wonder what his bank account looked like.
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How do you shoot yourself in the chest? That is a real odd way to commit suicide. I know people think he wanted to preserve his brain. But how do you shoot yourself in the chest?
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Why is it amazing? Some were killed in Car Wrecks, Plane Crashes, struck by lightning, the others were Morbidly Obese and had heart attacks or used too many Recreational Drugs. Its really not that shocking.
Did you play sports in school?
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How do you shoot yourself in the chest?
I think you have to point a gun at your chest and pull the trigger but I'm not sure.
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How do you shoot yourself in the chest? That is a real odd way to commit suicide. I know people think he wanted to preserve his brain. But how do you shoot yourself in the chest?
Point handgun at heart, pull trigger. Im assuming he used a handgun.
In the head is harder sometimes. Didn't kurt cobain used his feet to pull the trigger of his shotgun?
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I wonder what his bank account looked like.
lost of local (los angeles) radio sports talk show host have said he always seemed to have finiancial problems, thats why he kept on signing one year deals with patriots year after year
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lost of local (los angeles) radio sports talk show host have said he always seemed to have finiancial problems, thats why he kept on signing one year deals with patriots year after year
no, that was because he wasnt ready to leave the game.
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no, that was because he wasnt ready to leave the game.
Yes, i agree, Football to Hall Of Fame Players LIVE and DIE football
1. Football
2. Kids
3. Wife
4. Friends
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lost of local (los angeles) radio sports talk show host have said he always seemed to have finiancial problems, thats why he kept on signing one year deals with patriots year after year
Wasn't there some issues with ex-girlfriends as well?
How do you shoot yourself in the chest? That is a real odd way to commit suicide. I know people think he wanted to preserve his brain. But how do you shoot yourself in the chest?
Easy, have someone else pull the trigger, a la Steve McNair and singer Monica's ex.
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Did you play sports in school?
Swimming, Track and Cross-Country.
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How do you shoot yourself in the chest? That is a real odd way to commit suicide. I know people think he wanted to preserve his brain. But how do you shoot yourself in the chest?
No. He wanted his family to be able to have an open casket most likely.
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Are you sure this is concussion related?
We'll never know the answer to that. Guys who play that sport and position are half crazy to begin with. They're just wired differently. Depression can strike anyone. Its fair to say that even if he didn't play football, his life may have ended the same way. As it does with thousands in America each year who don't play sports. This guy did play football since he was a kid, which means to me he most likely had dozens of concussions along the way. And he for sure played through many of them. Concussions cause brain damage. I hope the NFL's lawyers aren't able to hide the results of his brain(if indeed he did leave it for research). It would be very interesting to see the results of the amount of damage done to his brain. But in the end, there are just too many factors to consider when someone takes their own life. Concussions are just one factor.
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RIP