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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: lyquid on November 11, 2011, 01:34:57 PM
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so far feel and look great. Can tell I'm not as thick as my watch hangs of my wrist where on test its tight same with my rings. But that's obv water issues. Hairloss seems very minimal I'd say none in shedding department. And my skin and face looks instantly better since I had a low dose test shot a week or more ago. And test cycle before hand skin looked awful. Now I'm amazed at my face and skin. Very smooth looking and overall feel like I got more handsome in the face ha.
to early to tell on gains since I've only tooken dbol twice on my workout days. Weight up a few lbs obv.
but for side effects I'm loving it. No wonder 70s guys had no gyno looked super young with great skin and faces. Little to know testoerone not to mention they all had hair all. Almost all ofem. Now in gyms everyones bald from so much testosterone cycles and gyno is seen on every other user.
I had gotten my gyno out and yet the test was still making my nips hurt and feel aslumps were forming again. sso far on this deca dbol my nipps are appearing smaller than ever. Very odd but liking it.
I understand now why I hear people say back than test was seen as the bigg scary monster of side effects.
and even on test with armidex and nolva or letro gynos hard to control for some people.
curious to see how this pans out. For those interested in alternatives and to scared to do no test. Since everyone now a days says no test no cycle! I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to keep their hair and nipples in check.
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so far feel and look great. Can tell I'm not as thick as my watch hangs of my wrist where on test its tight same with my rings. But that's obv water issues. Hairloss seems very minimal I'd say none in shedding department. And my skin and face looks instantly better since I had a low dose test shot a week or more ago. And test cycle before hand skin looked awful. Now I'm amazed at my face and skin. Very smooth looking and overall feel like I got more handsome in the face ha.
to early to tell on gains since I've only tooken dbol twice on my workout days. Weight up a few lbs obv.
but for side effects I'm loving it. No wonder 70s guys had no gyno looked super young with great skin and faces. Little to know testoerone not to mention they all had hair all. Almost all ofem. Now in gyms everyones bald from so much testosterone cycles and gyno is seen on every other user.
I had gotten my gyno out and yet the test was still making my nips hurt and feel aslumps were forming again. sso far on this deca dbol my nipps are appearing smaller than ever. Very odd but liking it.
I understand now why I hear people say back than test was seen as the bigg scary monster of side effects.
and even on test with armidex and nolva or letro gynos hard to control for some people.
curious to see how this pans out. For those interested in alternatives and to scared to do no test. Since everyone now a days says no test no cycle! I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to keep their hair and nipples in check.
You go to any board and that is the only answer you find.
So what doses you running?
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For me low doses test (200 mg prop/week) combined with higher equi, tren, mast and NPP work just fine. Fuck grams upon grams of test and awful test bloat.
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You go to any board and that is the only answer you find.
So what doses you running?
ya rly. And all that's gave me is a widows peak and sevre gyno that needed surgery. Thanks internet forums. Wish I was in the 70s no internet and just poped primo deca n dbol and looked great lol.
dosages not set yet. First day 25.g dbol. 2nd workout 50mg dbol. Than 2 shots of 200mg npp so far.
I'm not new to this. Obv ran higher before. But dosage is shit right now cause I was still making up my mind. I will probably do 200mg npp a day from now on and 50mg dbol. Work up to 100mg a day if needed. Going to see how far I go on said dosage. If I rly like it ima stay on awhile and keep working up dosage. Have deca on the way so if I need 400mg a day I can do it that way.
no more little girls doses either since finding this board 500 to 1000mg test is all you need balonie no more.
hard to judge weight gain since before this I was on low calories for a couple weeks so my weight gain is probably half from pounding back food. But up 4.5lbs. Water weight is severely less than with test or test and dbol. I think I hate test now lol.
test kinda gives me a little anexity is that from androgens I wonder? Or a mix of what test gives you high dht high oestrogen etc. I notice none so far.
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Keep this thread updated bro I'm very interested in seeing how you do. I was thinking of doing something like deca dbol masteron with a replacment dose of test.
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This was my buddies first cycle back in high school, except he used Oragnon Deca. He blew the fuck up, lean too. No bloat no deca dick either. I only run 200mg of test tops with my cycles. Best of luck to you keep us posted.
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This was my buddies first cycle back in high school, except he used Oragnon Deca. He blew the fuck up, lean too. No bloat no deca dick either. I only run 200mg of test tops with my cycles. Best of luck to you keep us posted.
thanks and ya no kidding eh? It really is alot safer and side effect free compared to all these test only cycles everyone on all forums shove down everyones throat. I started at 17 and I wish I never did that shit and had horrible gyno and hairloss.
some of us want that fitness look. Not skinny twink fitness but even 70s physiques good head of hair no pointy big nips yet still big.
I'm very excited myself even on the low dose test I was on before this I was shedding lots of hair still and had nip pain. Its almost as soon as I started this and the test is almost out of me my shedding has slowed down to nothong really and my nipples are looking alot smaller than they do even on no juice. Very odd but I'm liking it.
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Keep this thread updated bro I'm very interested in seeing how you do. I was thinking of doing something like deca dbol masteron with a replacment dose of test.
will do. My first go here is gonna be probably 4 weeks no test at all. Than add in 100 or 200mg test aweek. Maybe a tiny bit more not sure yet for a good 4 weeks more or less. To see the differance in gains and side effects with no test and a little test. Giving it 4 maybe 6 weeks nothing set yet.
but I know even a little test gives me side effects so well see. rit really is just a monster of a drug for sides lol. And everyone who is agsint test here points out alot of neat stuff how no one ever gets big off test only. And if they say I got huge off test only. Than you ask wheres the pics someone said lol.
and I read another neat thing about how ya test is the main male hormone but they kept making all the other hormones to find a more anabolic one with less androgenic parts to have a less side effect free drug with more benefits and that's really what all the other drugs they made are. More anabolic more nitrogen retention more protien sysnthesis faster growth. And less androgenic acne oily skin hairloss etc side effects. And when looking at it that way. Why run test over anything higher than hrt. We want bigger muscles more anabolic not more acne and hairloss right lol.
and to the guys that don't care about hairloss cause its not manly. Gimme a break who doesn't want to be a modern day sampson. His hair gave him his strength haha.
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will do. My first go here is gonna be probably 4 weeks no test at all. Than add in 100 or 200mg test aweek. Maybe a tiny bit more not sure yet for a good 4 weeks more or less. To see the differance in gains and side effects with no test and a little test. Giving it 4 maybe 6 weeks nothing set yet.
but I know even a little test gives me side effects so well see. rit really is just a monster of a drug for sides lol. And everyone who is agsint test here points out alot of neat stuff how no one ever gets big off test only. And if they say I got huge off test only. Than you ask wheres the pics someone said lol.
and I read another neat thing about how ya test is the main male hormone but they kept making all the other hormones to find a more anabolic one with less androgenic parts to have a less side effect free drug with more benefits and that's really what all the other drugs they made are. More anabolic more nitrogen retention more protien sysnthesis faster growth. And less androgenic acne oily skin hairloss etc side effects. And when looking at it that way. Why run test over anything higher than hrt. We want bigger muscles more anabolic not more acne and hairloss right lol.
and to the guys that don't care about hairloss cause its not manly. Gimme a break who doesn't want to be a modern day sampson. His hair gave him his strength haha.
Just wondering if you have ever done any t-bol?
That's supposed to be easy on the hair.
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thanks and ya no kidding eh? It really is alot safer and side effect free compared to all these test only cycles everyone on all forums shove down everyones throat. I started at 17 and I wish I never did that shit and had horrible gyno and hairloss.
yeah, there's too much bad info on all these boards. it's just bro-science with nothing to substantiate it. granted, test is great for the purpose of putting large numbers on the scale in a short period of time, it's cheap and common enough to be rarely faked. but, the issue with test is that it's like riding a 1990 honda civic to your destination, it will get you there, cheaply and effectively but when arrive you won't be feeling good about yourself.
like you, i wish i knew ahead of time, bought too much into the bro-science about test. i would have just ran tren and eq instead as theres no need to run test over 100mg/wk on any cycle. i didn't get gyno and my hairline is still the same but still, not a huge fan of "test only/test base only" mantra i keep seeing repeated without reason
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yeah, this works bc dbol is significant enough of an androgen to ward off "deca dick".
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so far feel and look great. Can tell I'm not as thick as my watch hangs of my wrist where on test its tight same with my rings. But that's obv water issues. Hairloss seems very minimal I'd say none in shedding department. And my skin and face looks instantly better since I had a low dose test shot a week or more ago. And test cycle before hand skin looked awful. Now I'm amazed at my face and skin. Very smooth looking and overall feel like I got more handsome in the face ha.
to early to tell on gains since I've only tooken dbol twice on my workout days. Weight up a few lbs obv.
but for side effects I'm loving it. No wonder 70s guys had no gyno looked super young with great skin and faces. Little to know testoerone not to mention they all had hair all. Almost all ofem. Now in gyms everyones bald from so much testosterone cycles and gyno is seen on every other user.
I had gotten my gyno out and yet the test was still making my nips hurt and feel aslumps were forming again. sso far on this deca dbol my nipps are appearing smaller than ever. Very odd but liking it.
I understand now why I hear people say back than test was seen as the bigg scary monster of side effects.
and even on test with armidex and nolva or letro gynos hard to control for some people.
curious to see how this pans out. For those interested in alternatives and to scared to do no test. Since everyone now a days says no test no cycle! I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to keep their hair and nipples in check.
you've really came to some deluded conclusions here. it has nothing to do with test per-say. fact is that any steroid with significant androgenic activity represents a potential threat of unwanted sides like the ones you listed.
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will do. My first go here is gonna be probably 4 weeks no test at all. Than add in 100 or 200mg test aweek. Maybe a tiny bit more not sure yet for a good 4 weeks more or less. To see the differance in gains and side effects with no test and a little test. Giving it 4 maybe 6 weeks nothing set yet.
but I know even a little test gives me side effects so well see. rit really is just a monster of a drug for sides lol. And everyone who is agsint test here points out alot of neat stuff how no one ever gets big off test only. And if they say I got huge off test only. Than you ask wheres the pics someone said lol.
and I read another neat thing about how ya test is the main male hormone but they kept making all the other hormones to find a more anabolic one with less androgenic parts to have a less side effect free drug with more benefits and that's really what all the other drugs they made are. More anabolic more nitrogen retention more protien sysnthesis faster growth. And less androgenic acne oily skin hairloss etc side effects. And when looking at it that way. Why run test over anything higher than hrt. We want bigger muscles more anabolic not more acne and hairloss right lol.
and to the guys that don't care about hairloss cause its not manly. Gimme a break who doesn't want to be a modern day sampson. His hair gave him his strength haha.
you're on the right track. though they never could come up with a 100% anabolic steroid with no androgenic activity whatsoever. the closest they got was probably winstrol or anavar (which are pretty useless if you ask me), but you have to understand that hair loss is genetic and if you're gonna loose it early, then yes, a surplus of exogenous androgens may accelerate that loss. it just varies from person to person. for example i'm in the middle of my third cycle that included test with no signs of hair loss.
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i didn't get gyno and my hairline is still the same but still, not a huge fan of "test only/test base only" mantra i keep seeing repeated without reason
test, dbol, andriol, or even mesterolone (proviron) can be used as a "base", if by "base" you essentially mean libido maintainer, while you blast primarily anabolic compounds.
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For whatever it's worth I've seen several guys develop some of the worst gyno on earth due to Dianabol. I've seen it with test free cycle that included Deca, not as often but it does happen as Deca does aromatize. Both Deca and Dbol carry some androgenic traits, Dbol much more so.
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you've really came to some deluded conclusions here. it has nothing to do with test per-say. fact is that any steroid with significant androgenic activity represents a potential threat of unwanted sides like the ones you listed.
I know any androgen cam cause hairloss acne etc and any oestrogen I mean high conversion toestrogen will likely cause gyno like dbol. All sounds good on paper. But all these guys running test only now a days and most have a receding hairline and gyno is on every other gym rat. Mean while dbol and deca my nipples look great. Soon as I add a lil bit of test I get gyno.. So it doesn't add up like how it looks so perfect on paper.
same with I get hairloss on test but not on dbol right now? Doesn't add up dbol in high doses is a potent androgen. Just cause paper work says test is easy on this and that doesn't seem to pan out in real world results. Oh wait I can add a whole bunch of other drugs to semi blunt my gyno and hairloss on test.... Lol.
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For whatever it's worth I've seen several guys develop some of the worst gyno on earth due to Dianabol. I've seen it with test free cycle that included Deca, not as often but it does happen as Deca does aromatize. Both Deca and Dbol carry some androgenic traits, Dbol much more so.
I know what you mean. Just really odd thing is on my test base cycle I'd have moderate gyno flare up n pain. Add bit of dbol my nips are huge n twice as sore. Yet with no test I seem to tolerate dbol amazing. Almost as if the test makes other sides worse atleast in my body. But I also just think how oddit is all the older pros had no gyno almost none. Yet newer ones are all sporting gyno surgery scars and or gyno still like late ronnie kai greene even. Like fuck get it cut out already like the rest of the 99 percent of 90s to todays pros.
can't seem to find one pros 70s sporting gyno or a slight case even.
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i can run 1g testoviron and no gyno problems not even need ai..can run 50-100mg a day dboll and no problem again..now 500mg test+20mg dboll and gyno flares even with ai...
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im on same cycle as u lyquid and i loves it...1g deca+50mg dboll
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im on same cycle as u lyquid and i loves it...1g deca+50mg dboll
hows gains? My weights now as high but feel bigger. Less water more muscle maybe? Or more water in muscle from dbol? Forget how the water works. Are you spliting up ur dbol? I can't decide yet. Hows gains been this far and are you uping it when gains halt?
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It would be more interesting if you replaced dbol with something else for the said experiment tho...
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It would be more interesting if you replaced dbol with something else for the said experiment tho...
ideas? My thing is everytime I've tried a dht derivitve . Winny. Anadrol extreme hairloss. It ant convert back to dht being said its alrdy been through that. And I know anavar is that as well and I'm pretty sure tbol is dht deriv too. Even tho apparently side effect free most of em been scared.
I'd really like to see tren without test to. As with test was horrible for me. Havnt seen many combos of without test only ever heard of deca and dbol as a good one. Since al you find even on google search is test only!! Lol.
I google deca dbol cycle and most pages come up test deca dbol lol.
but I know a few guys on here actually have experience with this so I'm all ears.
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I also find it interesting gh15 although won't say it latly. If you read his old post he states he was his biggest on deca and eq only no test he says. Also says dbol is only drug that'll put on a massive amount of size on its own compared to all others. But latly he's all testosterona n ghona lol.
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a little bit of test should be in there like 150mg a week
and don't forget guys... gh15's advice is for advanced bodybuilders
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Im on EQ/Tren only at present , happy with how Im looking but I usely have prop in with these two compounds and feel good , but I have noticed Im more lethargic than normal with Tren, Im going to add a small amount of prop in and see if it changes..
I did have dbol in at the start for androgen replacement but Im not a huge fan of orals so dropped after a few weeks, I get mad pumps from just walking upstairs on dbol - I mean real painful pumps so was glad to drop it.
Will let you know if the prop changes the energy issues.
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I get mad pumps from just walking upstairs on dbol - I mean real painful pumps so was glad to drop it.
i had that on dbol in my lower back. straight leg deads were out of the question come leg day.
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hows gains? My weights now as high but feel bigger. Less water more muscle maybe? Or more water in muscle from dbol? Forget how the water works. Are you spliting up ur dbol? I can't decide yet. Hows gains been this far and are you uping it when gains halt?
gains is spot on weight keep coming but quality weight...i feel smaller lol but everyone on gym say :wtf man how u ballon in 4 weeks? and i just cut test lol....if dboll less than 50mg i take it all with preworkout meal if more than 50mg i split am/pm...i have drop water for sure waist is tighter face more sexy but i feel volume from within too weird feeling tbh....when gain halt i will 1st up calorie by 200-300 a day and if still no gain i up dose a bit maybe 100-200mg moar deca
only downside is i dont feel as strong as on test but i dont mind i like it more this way
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gains is spot on weight keep coming but quality weight...i feel smaller lol but everyone on gym say :wtf man how u ballon in 4 weeks? and i just cut test lol....if dboll less than 50mg i take it all with preworkout meal if more than 50mg i split am/pm...i have drop water for sure waist is tighter face more sexy but i feel volume from within too weird feeling tbh....when gain halt i will 1st up calorie by 200-300 a day and if still no gain i up dose a bit maybe 100-200mg moar deca
only downside is i dont feel as strong as on test but i dont mind i like it more this way
my weight isn't as high myself. My watch is looser on my wrist its rly tight on test. But obv ur wrist don't grow unless its bone but it was obv water that's missing that makes my watch tight.
so it must just be the tonnes of water missing for sure. I feel weird about my physique to. I don't feel as big. But looking at my muscles I fee more volume and more round muscles hard to explain... I feel like if I get up to the weight I was on test about 8 lbs away. Ill look alot bigger cause less water and more muscle probably. Like I said I feel its my muscles getting more volume not just everything like my wrist n all that.
so wil be interesting. Gains have def been slower tho. Has to just be the water missing making it seem slower. So early on ayways. Really want to get deca again. Think I liked it more than npp.
bah whatever to early to tell still first week today.
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my weight isn't as high myself. My watch is looser on my wrist its rly tight on test. But obv ur wrist don't grow unless its bone but it was obv water that's missing that makes my watch tight.
so it must just be the tonnes of water missing for sure. I feel weird about my physique to. I don't feel as big. But looking at my muscles I fee more volume and more round muscles hard to explain... I feel like if I get up to the weight I was on test about 8 lbs away. Ill look alot bigger cause less water and more muscle probably. Like I said I feel its my muscles getting more volume not just everything like my wrist n all that.
so wil be interesting. Gains have def been slower tho. Has to just be the water missing making it seem slower. So early on ayways. Really want to get deca again. Think I liked it more than npp.
bah whatever to early to tell still first week today.
im on 4 week deca have kick in ;D
yes muscle coem slower but is good no bloat...your watch is loose cause less water retention u are not smaller
hehe i luves deca i can get it everywhere 2 ml vial 100mg /ml norma..im greek ;D
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if you got gyno surgery, they would have removed the whole gland making it impossible to re-occur.
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if you got gyno surgery, they would have removed the whole gland making it impossible to re-occur.
yup I discussed that with my surgeon. Its all gone. But even he said you ant always get 100 percent of it. There maybe such small bits left over that can still grow.
that's why you hear of alot of guys having to get a 2nd surgery as well even with some of the most famous gyno surgeons. And mine doesn't look no where near wht it was. But I can mosty feel the pain as before with test. I feel very strong sharp pain and a lump still that will be bigger ith that pain
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so far feel and look great. Can tell I'm not as thick as my watch hangs of my wrist where on test its tight same with my rings. But that's obv water issues. Hairloss seems very minimal I'd say none in shedding department. And my skin and face looks instantly better since I had a low dose test shot a week or more ago. And test cycle before hand skin looked awful. Now I'm amazed at my face and skin. Very smooth looking and overall feel like I got more handsome in the face ha.
to early to tell on gains since I've only tooken dbol twice on my workout days. Weight up a few lbs obv.
but for side effects I'm loving it. No wonder 70s guys had no gyno looked super young with great skin and faces. Little to know testoerone not to mention they all had hair all. Almost all ofem. Now in gyms everyones bald from so much testosterone cycles and gyno is seen on every other user.
I had gotten my gyno out and yet the test was still making my nips hurt and feel aslumps were forming again. sso far on this deca dbol my nipps are appearing smaller than ever. Very odd but liking it.
I understand now why I hear people say back than test was seen as the bigg scary monster of side effects.
and even on test with armidex and nolva or letro gynos hard to control for some people.
curious to see how this pans out. For those interested in alternatives and to scared to do no test. Since everyone now a days says no test no cycle! I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to keep their hair and nipples in check.
good thread, just make sure you're not taking finasteride with npp or deca... nasty side effects.
dbol is a great test replacement for short cycles and as an alternative to prop or suspension if you don't want to poke your daily.
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good thread, just make sure you're not taking finasteride with npp or deca... nasty side effects.
dbol is a great test replacement for short cycles and as an alternative to prop or suspension if you don't want to poke your daily.
people always complaindbol is bad water retention but always take it wirh test. But holy fook I am soo lean right now. Gaining such quality muscle so amazingly lean. Its like I'm in fat burning mode yet muscles poping up. Fuck test once n for all. I look amazing. Yes weight is going slow but I'm so lean n full looking.
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lyquid how u doing man? im going very good nice and steady ..havent needed yet to up dose
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Currently no test cycling myself.
35mg dbol daily
75mg tbol daily
700mg primo weekly
350mg Tren weekly
Libido is fine. I get gyno from everything though, so it doesn't matter if test is there or not. I just don't think test makes me grow all that well. Just makes me hairy and horny.
I got some NPP today, thinking of 350mg weekly, although I am a little nervous about gyno when taking it with tren.
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Currently no test cycling myself.
35mg dbol daily
75mg tbol daily
700mg primo weekly
350mg Tren weekly
Libido is fine. I get gyno from everything though, so it doesn't matter if test is there or not. I just don't think test makes me grow all that well. Just makes me hairy and horny.
I got some NPP today, thinking of 350mg weekly, although I am a little nervous about gyno when taking it with tren.
if nandrolone giving u gyno problems i wouldnt stack tren on top of it but that just me...solid cycle brother
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if nandrolone giving u gyno problems i wouldnt stack tren on top of it but that just me...solid cycle brother
And are u saying that from personal experience combining the two compounds?
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interesting that this thread has come up lol...im about to try deca for the first time. (with dbol)
-what protocol would u guys recommend for this dbol+deca cycle?
-how many weeks? how much deca per week? (how many cc"s)
-what size needles are recommended? (i used 25 gauge when i did test only)
-pct recommendations?
thanks in advance.
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I can stack tren ace + NPP with no problems....
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I can stack tren ace + NPP with no problems....
Same here, it works very well, just dont stack loads of Test with it, thats why people get sides
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I lose tiny bits of hair on trenbolone only,when i did trenbolone+testosterone my hair would shred up in pieces...Most people do not realize that test is not a must for everyone,if i am in a good mood on trenbolone,having sex-drive,why would i add test to get bloated and get estrogens running through my body?Nowdays i love trenbolone+turinabol,great combo for me,my next cycle for the summer will be trenbolone+npp+anavar+T3,thinking about going shredded for the damn bitches :o
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And are u saying that from personal experience combining the two compounds?
i do it all time run the 2 together but i not have gyno problem..guy said EVERYTHING give him gyno..so if gyno from deca i dont think is wise throw in more 19-nor
keep in mind im no english i have hard tiem write sometimes
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I lose tiny bits of hair on trenbolone only,when i did trenbolone+testosterone my hair would shred up in pieces...Most people do not realize that test is not a must for everyone,if i am in a good mood on trenbolone,having sex-drive,why would i add test to get bloated and get estrogens running through my body?Nowdays i love trenbolone+turinabol,great combo for me,my next cycle for the summer will be trenbolone+npp+anavar+T3,thinking about going shredded for the damn bitches :o
see I shed alot on test n tren too. Again with test. Are you saying without test you could run tren with no hair loss?
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hey guys update. I missed a good 5 days or week of everything. Got way to busy so my fault.
funny thing is I rly only lost a couple pounds yet still looked great. Felt like I ran something for once that gave muscle on me. Not 20 lbs of water to leave afterwards.
but I got back on it and still lookin great. Not saying I'm great like ifbb pro lol. But I can say I look great compared to my mainly test only physique. 10 times better.
sex drive is not through the roof tho. I kinda miss it at time. But thankful cause I'd be cheating constantly n beating off 10 times a day with it and skipping meals for sex n beatin off. Gets bad haha.
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see I shed alot on test n tren too. Again with test. Are you saying without test you could run tren with no hair loss?
Yeap,i loose hair on tren alone but nothing compared to tren+test combo.Tren even if it doesnt converts to dht,it's highly androgenic so that why it causes some hair loss alone.But it will come back eventually after stopping using tren,so that's a good thing.
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how do you guys think a decca,eq cycle would go down?
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how do you guys think a decca,eq cycle would go down?
gh 15 says he was his biggest on deca eq no test just that. So go for it get big
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gh 15 says he was his biggest on deca eq no test just that. So go for it get big
Ive been thinking about it i think im gonna do 14 weeks 300 deca (first time deca) and 15 weeks 600 eq (all the eq i have)
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So glad to be adding prop back in tonight :D I need test in my system by the look of things ;)
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an update on this lyquid? what are your thoughts on the testless cycle?
i think i'll give it a try in february...
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Bump!
I'm thinking of getting test off my current run. I'm on 500 test e/wk and 900 eq/wk also 5iu thanktropin... So I'll probably drop the test to 125/wk and add deca 600/wk leave eq at 900.
Or would it be better to drop test completely to 0?
The reason for that is just I hear people look and feel great while doing so... Also it gives that 70s look... Might also add some primo and later on an oral. Can't do oral now, liver values are not that good...
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Bump!
I'm thinking of getting test off my current run. I'm on 500 test e/wk and 900 eq/wk also 5iu thanktropin... So I'll probably drop the test to 125/wk and add deca 600/wk leave eq at 900.
Or would it be better to drop test completely to 0?
The reason for that is just I hear people look and feel great while doing so... Also it gives that 70s look... Might also add some primo and later on an oral. Can't do oral now, liver values are not that good...
Sounds great. I'd like to hear the results
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Good bump.
I'm also in the midst of a testless cycle and i am feeling fine so far.
Let us know how it's going lyquid.
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I think the main thing is to simply only use enough test so that you can still function libidowise/energywise and then use the other compound(s) that are going to have the more positive effect on your physique. I was taking 140mg of test prop a week at 20mg a day, but was feeling a bit run down, so am back to my usual 50mg eod and feel much more energized so to me that is my point of where I my test doseage should stop from going any higher.
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I think the main thing is to simply only use enough test so that you can still function libidowise/energywise and then use the other compound(s) that are going to have the more positive effect on your physique. I was taking 140mg of test prop a week at 20mg a day, but was feeling a bit run down, so am back to my usual 50mg eod and feel much more energized so to me that is my point of where I my test doseage should stop from going any higher.
Makes sense, also you suggest test prop over longer esters just because of less bloat?
I hear an oral like dbol or anadrol will create enaugh androgens to be in place (libido) just not suggesting running it for a long time... 4-6 weeks.
0 test probably wouldn't be very smart without an oral, so as I'm off the orals now will switch to test p and play with it to find my sweet amount of weekly mg. I'm assuming 50 eod would be a good start.
Goal is to look good and feel good I'm sure 95% of this board aren't going for mr freak O look. Also good point was made about the hair loss... lots of guys from this new era are bald but when we look at golden times we see full heathy glowing hair.
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For what this is worth, deca gives me significantly worse gyno symptoms than test does, even at larger test doses such as 1.5 grams. 500 mg of deca gives me significantly, significantly more sides than 1.5 grams of test, and i am comparing pharmacy grade to pharmacy grade.
I personally would never run a deca cycle without test, because deca is the one anabolic that truly does kill my libido, and gives credence to the stereotype of "deca dick".
But to each their own. If this cycle is working for you, then awesome. I don't personally see how test would fuck your physique up if you are doing things right. I don't run cycles without test anymore unless I really have something to tighten up for. I certainly would never run this cycle without test.
And I am not trying to rehash some old internet board bullshit. I truly believe what I am saying from personal experience. I don't run deca (or any nandrolone esther) without test period from personal experience.
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I've been test-free for 3 weeks now, 200mg tren E3D and 150mg deca a week. Not noticing any negatives yet, but the bloat I was carrying from 300mg test is gone.
I'm only doing this because I have a blood test for HRT and I need to show zero test but unless I get a sudden crash or mental sides I think I might keep test to an absolute minimum in future.
cheaper too.
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Anyone notice getting warm and sweaty on big doses with diana ?? Its like it is å fatburner in high doses, almoust cant sleep.. gjest is looking full as hell with little water retention.
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Anyone notice getting warm and sweaty on big doses with diana ?? Its like it is å fatburner in high doses, almoust cant sleep.. gjest is looking full as hell with little water retention.
The worst sweating symptoms I have ever had we're on relatively high dose tren ace with injectable dianabol daily. I was like a pig at night and had to change sheets every day despite being an extremely low bf.
Tren ace just makes me sweat at night at doses of probably 120 mg plus per day. I don't have any of those sides at 50-70 Mg
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Been doing the low Test dose approach for this entire year. It's the best the physique has ever looked. Over the last two weeks switched out Tren E for Deca and Dbol w/ low test. See how this goes.
Now e4th day
125mg Test E
250mg Deca (may up this to 375mg)
20mg Dbol eod
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i'm cutting on var alone(40mg/day), for 4 weeks now...
everything a ok
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I tried the no test cycle but after 5 weeks went back on a low dose. The sex drive tanked big time so the wife was un happy. 500 mg per week test e is perfect for me. Along with mast prop and tren e i have never looked better. I think older guys need the test in their. I dont bloat on 500 mg of test so its good. Test just makes you feel better and stronger but i agree the 2000mg per week test is just not needed. Guys at the gym constantly tell me to up my test but i ask why when 500 mg works great and they really cant give me a reason to. I think poor responders may have to use more which i understand.
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Why do a lot of people say you need some test for general health? always a bit confusing that one? ???
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Guys bodybuilders generally cycle test but being off test for 4 months w
Mega doses of these other compounds, especially 19 Nors, Is asking for trouble. Have some prop on u. You will hit a day when you wake up w symptoms. I have tried exactly what some of you are doing now and trust me you ain't making it 4 months.
Even 175-350 mg test weekly will save u. Speaking prop. Have it on hand. Trust me. I don't understand this NO test fad. I get Low test and cycling test out but no test for months w these doses of EQ and deca and tren I'm reading? I am urging you to have prop on hand. It will bail you out in 2 months when you crash physically and mentally.
You are fine now but I have to warn you that you won't be fine soon. I've done this. I totally get low test cycles. But no test for this long w these compounds? No.
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There is simply no point in doing so.
If 175mg a week of test bloats you, you got a problem.
Having no test in your system brings many unnecessary, unhealthy sides.
Guys bodybuilders generally cycle test but being off test for 4 months w
Mega doses of these other compounds, especially 19 Nors, Is asking for trouble. Have some prop on u. You will hit a day when you wake up w symptoms. I have tried exactly what some of you are doing now and trust me you ain't making it 4 months.
Even 175-350 mg test weekly will save u. Speaking prop. Have it on hand. Trust me. I don't understand this NO test fad. I get Low test and cycling test out but no test for months w these doses of EQ and deca and tren I'm reading? I am urging you to have prop on hand. It will bail you out in 2 months when you crash physically and mentally.
You are fine now but I have to warn you that you won't be fine soon. I've done this. I totally get low test cycles. But no test for this long w these compounds? No.
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Well what did the bodybuilders in the 70's do? they stayed away from test like the plague yet arnold and company ganged up on that black chick that walked in the gym nude. Didn't seem like they were having much libido problems...
I think test e 175 mg - 300 mg is a perfect hormone replacement dose and then use other anabolics and androgenics for everything else (muscle, strength gains)
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Well what did the bodybuilders in the 70's do? they stayed away from test like the plague yet arnold and company ganged up on that black chick that walked in the gym nude. Didn't seem like they were having much libido problems...
I think test e 175 mg - 300 mg is a perfect hormone replacement dose and then use other anabolics and androgenics for everything else (muscle, strength gains)
No this is fucking bullshit a lie and a false myth invented lately on get big steroid section. Guys in the 70s were on test and not a small amount. They cycled it well too. U think Arnold 1974 is on no test? Get the fuck outta here. Possibly when nubret introduced parobalan the game
Changed a bit but did test disappear? No no no.
Don't fall for the buklshit. I don't bloat that bad on even 1.5 GRAMS of sustanon because of what I take w it and what I do w my lifestyle and it's part genetics!
But no test on mega dose 19 Nors and all this other shit for
Months??? No. Please have proP on hand.
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No this is fucking bullshit a lie and a false myth invented lately on get big steroid section. Guys in the 70s were on test and not a small amount. They cycled it well too. U think Arnold 1974 is on no test? Get the fuck outta here. Possibly when nubret introduced parobalan the game
Changed a bit but did test disappear? No no no.
Don't fall for the buklshit. I don't bloat that bad on even 1.5 GRAMS of sustanon because of what I take w it and what I do w my lifestyle and it's part genetics!
But no test on mega dose 19 Nors and all this other shit for
Months??? No. Please have proP on hand.
Well every guy I have talked to that was a bodybuilder back then said nobody used it. How come we didn't see gyno until 81 on franco? He had been using all during the late 60s to 70s and only got gyno in early 80s, right when test got popular.
Youre obviously a knowledgeable dude smoof, but I respectfully disagree. Going against what bodybuilders in that era say, versus what you THINK arnold was on in 74, Im gunna go with the old school bodybuilders.
Wes made it clear there were no AIs, so I can strongly say they werent using test, much less a large amount because there was literally no gyno. Arnold had access to primo, anadrol, dbol, anavar, deca, im sure he could get big without test just using those compounds.
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Well every guy I have talked to that was a bodybuilder back then said nobody used it. How come we didn't see gyno until 81 on franco? He had been using all during the late 60s to 70s and only got gyno in early 80s, right when test got popular.
Youre obviously a knowledgeable dude smoof, but I respectfully disagree. Going against what bodybuilders in that era say, versus what you THINK arnold was on in 74, Im gunna go with the old school bodybuilders.
Wes made it clear there were no AIs, so I can strongly say they werent using test, much less a large amount because there was literally no gyno. Arnold had access to primo, anadrol, dbol, anavar, deca, im sure he could get big without test just using those compounds.
so what do you think that Zane was using here? primo, winny, and var?
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Idk what he was on. But lol if u think zane touched test anytime before the mid 80s. The dudes physique was anything but built on test.
Lets get back to reality real quick, bc I think some people are slipping back into the old test is best thing.
Test is test. No matter if you get it from top chef like smoof or wherever, if it contains testosterone in any decent amount, it will act the same. Test wont keep you tight and dry. It will never do that. It will make you bloated which is directly linear based on dose, it will aromatize madly unless you are running an AI, which those guys back then didnt use. Its a generally cheap route to a bigger number on the scale and lifts, but not a better physique. It is not the best muscle builder and you need a ton of gh just to look ok when running boatloads of test.
Until test started coming heavily on the scene we never saw gyno or the nasty hairloss like today.
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so far feel and look great. Can tell I'm not as thick as my watch hangs of my wrist where on test its tight same with my rings. But that's obv water issues. Hairloss seems very minimal I'd say none in shedding department. And my skin and face looks instantly better since I had a low dose test shot a week or more ago. And test cycle before hand skin looked awful. Now I'm amazed at my face and skin. Very smooth looking and overall feel like I got more handsome in the face ha.
to early to tell on gains since I've only tooken dbol twice on my workout days. Weight up a few lbs obv.
but for side effects I'm loving it. No wonder 70s guys had no gyno looked super young with great skin and faces. Little to know testoerone not to mention they all had hair all. Almost all ofem. Now in gyms everyones bald from so much testosterone cycles and gyno is seen on every other user.
I had gotten my gyno out and yet the test was still making my nips hurt and feel aslumps were forming again. sso far on this deca dbol my nipps are appearing smaller than ever. Very odd but liking it.
I understand now why I hear people say back than test was seen as the bigg scary monster of side effects.
and even on test with armidex and nolva or letro gynos hard to control for some people.
curious to see how this pans out. For those interested in alternatives and to scared to do no test. Since everyone now a days says no test no cycle! I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to keep their hair and nipples in check.
I totally agree with you, also my skin and face looks great on Dbol, its insane everything tightens!
I have the same effects on Dbol, everything seems to be better, my sexdrive and libido increases dramatically, just getting leaner for every week and my workout are insane, can not be compared with Testosterone for me.
I am only using around 15-25mg and my Estrogens are in te normal range by far.
I did cycle with Test, Nandrolone and ended it with Trenbolone E and Test. I was starting to get bloat as hell no libido or sexdrive even depression, i increased Testosterone but it did not help. I ended the cycle and was off whit the same symptoms no sexdrive, libido and depression. After a few weeks i started with 15mg daily, after 1 week sexdrive and libido was insane could not belive this, no depression!
A few weeks ago i tried Tren A 70mg daily and Test Prop 50 mg Daily for two weeks, then i shifted to Dbol instead of Test Prop and continued with Tren A, once again this is the thing!! In Love with Dbol:)
I have used Test E for A while so i suspect that my body dont reacts so well on Test, Its also very individual i think everybody reacts diffrent!
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1. NO test cycles are shit because your body NEEDS some androgens and estrogen to function. just 100mg a week is enough for that. dont run 0 test.
2. dbol can replace testosterone because it aromatizes heavily and there you have your estrogen. its also sufficiently androgenic.
3. dbol increases dopamine so thats why most people feel good on it
4. interestingly, dbol with tren gives most people less side effects than test with tren. its also a good combination regarding the anticatabolic/glucocorticoid effects of both drugs. very synergistic. test+tren+dbol is best, obviously, lol.
5. you will NEVER get IFBB huge without humongous amounts of AAS. testosterone is the NUMBER ONE AAS thats easy to abuse. its cheap and its effective. and dosage vs side effects its very forgiving. you cant run 2g of any other AAS as side effect free as test
6. if you get side effects, bloat, gyno , hair loss from like 200mg test a week then get you should join some water polo fanpage but get the fuck off getbig.com
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Lol ^^ some times when I shoot my test I have a raging hard boner that doesn't start until I push the plunger and is rock hard before I can get the needle out. Mayb I'm weird in the head or test just does me like that. Mayb it's because I do shots in the morning idk
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I was a big believer in no test cycles, but I did one and fell into a deep depression. Not advisable.
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Lol ^^ some times when I shoot my test I have a raging hard boner that doesn't start until I push the plunger and is rock hard before I can get the needle out. Mayb I'm weird in the head or test just does me like that. Mayb it's because I do shots in the morning idk
You get the hard on because you like being "poked" ;)
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epic 2 year bump
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I totally agree with you, also my skin and face looks great on Dbol, its insane everything tightens!
I have the same effects on Dbol, everything seems to be better, my sexdrive and libido increases dramatically, just getting leaner for every week and my workout are insane, can not be compared with Testosterone for me.
I am only using around 15-25mg and my Estrogens are in te normal range by far.
I did cycle with Test, Nandrolone and ended it with Trenbolone E and Test. I was starting to get bloat as hell no libido or sexdrive even depression, i increased Testosterone but it did not help. I ended the cycle and was off whit the same symptoms no sexdrive, libido and depression. After a few weeks i started with 15mg daily, after 1 week sexdrive and libido was insane could not belive this, no depression!
A few weeks ago i tried Tren A 70mg daily and Test Prop 50 mg Daily for two weeks, then i shifted to Dbol instead of Test Prop and continued with Tren A, once again this is the thing!! In Love with Dbol:)
I have used Test E for A while so i suspect that my body dont reacts so well on Test, Its also very individual i think everybody reacts diffrent!
you had no sex drive on test and tren? .......... change your source your getting garbage
and no its not individual unless your a women, how can it be individual the male human body needs test and produces test. things like deca tren ect can be individual but i dont believe test can be it in your head
stop using steroids if you get depressed off a little test and tren this isnt for you.
dbol without test and without tren is shit id rather take creatine
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Lol ^^ some times when I shoot my test I have a raging hard boner that doesn't start until I push the plunger and is rock hard before I can get the needle out. Mayb I'm weird in the head or test just does me like that. Mayb it's because I do shots in the morning idk
not sure if serious
you do know that theres an ester attached and the test start working after HOURS right?
it wouldnt even act that quickly if you injected test no ester straight into a vein.
maybe youre masochistic ::)
You get the hard on because you like being "poked" ;)
yeah or that lol ;D
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lol :o
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Listen up, I've been doing this for over a decade now. No test sounds fancy and unique, but it's not the holy Grail by any means. Tren causes shit load of hair loss, deca shuts you down so hard that no amount of pct will correct it and you would lose all your gains, winny and dbol cause hair loss and I got major gyno off of dbol years ago. I tried most combos of cycles, var deca etc.
I as doing deca 400 mg and felt great, then I got night sweats and developed jealous ocd thoughts, and severe depression. Read up on it and it's caused by low serotonin and deca decreases serotonin. Most anti depressants increase serotonin. Also low T has been linked to low serotonin and depression. So the no T and high deca does things to your body.
I never felt better than 500 mg a week of test. If you add nolvadex and finasterise it's almost side effect free. rhe nolva increase hdl as well.
Just my personal experience.
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What do you guys think 2g of boldenone cyp a week would be like with zero test?
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This is a good Thread, got me thinkin.....
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you had no sex drive on test and tren? .......... change your source your getting garbage
and no its not individual unless your a women, how can it be individual the male human body needs test and produces test. things like deca tren ect can be individual but i dont believe test can be it in your head
stop using steroids if you get depressed off a little test and tren this isnt for you.
dbol without test and without tren is shit id rather take creatine
RETARD, do some reaserch!
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I did use around 700 Test E and 800mg Nandrolone then i switched to 800mg Tren E weekly with Test, no AIs or Caber!
So you should get a bit depressed:)
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What do you guys think 2g of boldenone cyp a week would be like with zero test?
On 1200-1400 mg a week currently and so far so good, but only dropped test about a week and a half ago.
Whoops, just saw you wrote bold cyp. I am doing bold undecylenate
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I don't understand, why drop the test?
A gram of deca will cause the same sides, gyno, hair loss especially at that dose. I believe there is less sides with test with the proper ancillaries
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On 1200-1400 mg a week currently and so far so good, but only dropped test about a week and a half ago.
Whoops, just saw you wrote bold cyp. I am doing bold undecylenate
Yeah don't think the ester matters too much
Keep us updated
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RETARD, do some reaserch!
your literally the most annoying cnt on this forum.