Harley Breite - Appreciation thread

[Las Vegas]

Harley, I meant to tell you that Doc Chimps wrote a review you'll be interested in:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=377521.msg8252266#msg8252266

[Las Vegas]

I'm still waiting to find out about that better way.  What could it be?  Maybe there's a good answer.

[HarleyBreite]

Dear Be There,
  I never "left my morals at the door."
  It sounds as if no one else has a job where they have to make compromises, decisions and or use discretion.
  You say plea bargains are disgusting, well what do you propose as the alternative? No one is forced to accept a plea bargain and
in fact, a Defendant is NOT entitled to any plea bargain whatsoever.  I have had many murder trials because the State refused to
offer a plea bargain.  Why would my client plead guilty to the entire indictment if no offer is made?  No one would and therefore, it is the
State who forced those trials.
  I am not here to pat myself on the bat but I have, through my law degree, been able to help many people.  I guess then, you would say that
I had walked back out the door and returned temporarily with my morals.
  What I do is not so glorious or rewarding.  It's not always fun or interesting.  I chose to do it and have no regrets for that.  I didn't create this system
and believe me, every time I tried to make some positive change, I was fought with resistance.  I guess you didn't read the post concerning my time
as a Municipal Prosecutor.
Harley
 

[Simple Simon]

Dear Be There,
  I never "left my morals at the door."
  It sounds as if no one else has a job where they have to make compromises, decisions and or use discretion.
  You say plea bargains are disgusting, well what do you propose as the alternative? No one is forced to accept a plea bargain and
in fact, a Defendant is NOT entitled to any plea bargain whatsoever.  I have had many murder trials because the State refused to
offer a plea bargain.  Why would my client plead guilty to the entire indictment if no offer is made?  No one would and therefore, it is the
State who forced those trials.
  I am not here to pat myself on the bat but I have, through my law degree, been able to help many people.  I guess then, you would say that
I had walked back out the door and returned temporarily with my morals.
  What I do is not so glorious or rewarding.  It's not always fun or interesting.  I chose to do it and have no regrets for that.  I didn't create this system
and believe me, every time I tried to make some positive change, I was fought with resistance.  I guess you didn't read the post concerning my time
as a Municipal Prosecutor.
Harley
 

If someone is accused of a crime the prosecution should prosecute based on the evidence.
Shitbags and killers are being offered lighter sentences to go guilty.
Fuck that, prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

 

It sounds as if no one else has a job where they have to make compromises, decisions and or use discretion.

Not many make decisions that allow pedos to walk when they know they have committed the crime.

everything you have said above about a lawyers actions are immoral to some degree.

Here is another moral dilemma
A cop investigating a murder knows for sure that the accused is guilty, yet if he writes his report honestly the perpetrator will get off on a technicality due to an evidential collection error.
Now, do you omit the error and just leave it out and ensure a conviction or remove it and let the killer go free?

Morals and justice have nothing to do with each other.

[dr.chimps]

Dear Be There,
  I never "left my morals at the door."
  It sounds as if no one else has a job where they have to make compromises, decisions and or use discretion.
  You say plea bargains are disgusting, well what do you propose as the alternative? No one is forced to accept a plea bargain and
in fact, a Defendant is NOT entitled to any plea bargain whatsoever.  I have had many murder trials because the State refused to
offer a plea bargain.  Why would my client plead guilty to the entire indictment if no offer is made?  No one would and therefore, it is the
State who forced those trials.
  I am not here to pat myself on the bat but I have, through my law degree, been able to help many people.  I guess then, you would say that
I had walked back out the door and returned temporarily with my morals.
  What I do is not so glorious or rewarding.  It's not always fun or interesting.  I chose to do it and have no regrets for that.  I didn't create this system
and believe me, every time I tried to make some positive change, I was fought with resistance.  I guess you didn't read the post concerning my time
as a Municipal Prosecutor.
Harley
 

I think he was more insinuating that most cases are DA-driven 'plea' deals rather than actually being adjudicated. What is the %? Gotta be north of 95%? And, with DA incumbency, the likelihood to press for sentences of more than a year, thus passing on costs to state and not the electoral county, has to be a huge factor. 

   

[Las Vegas]

Sounds like the prosecutors are causing trouble.  Can't say I disagree.

[Las Vegas]

65 Malibu

[Las Vegas]

[Las Vegas]

[Las Vegas]

How was the Rally, Harley?

[HarleyBreite]

Dear Las Vegas,
  The Ferrari Rally was very nice, but as usual, it turns into more of a race than a rally.
  I met some very nice people and we had a very nice talk over lunch.
  What I liked most was that no one was arrogant or pretentious.
Harley

[Donny]

If someone is accused of a crime the prosecution should prosecute based on the evidence.
Shitbags and killers are being offered lighter sentences to go guilty.
Fuck that, prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

 Not many make decisions that allow pedos to walk when they know they have committed the crime.

everything you have said above about a lawyers actions are immoral to some degree.

Here is another moral dilemma
A cop investigating a murder knows for sure that the accused is guilty, yet if he writes his report honestly the perpetrator will get off on a technicality due to an evidential collection error.
Now, do you omit the error and just leave it out and ensure a conviction or remove it and let the killer go free?

Morals and justice have nothing to do with each other.

Do you work in the legal proffession or are you just trolling like always?...you are another person who brings up this "Pedo" word a lot.

[Simple Simon]

Do you work in the legal proffession or are you just trolling like always?...you are another person who brings up this "Pedo" word a lot.

Lets see why I chose that crime

Not many make decisions that allow people who dodge parking tickets to walk when they know they have committed the crime.

Doesn't really have the same impact does it?

[Las Vegas]

Dear Las Vegas,
  The Ferrari Rally was very nice, but as usual, it turns into more of a race than a rally.
  I met some very nice people and we had a very nice talk over lunch.
  What I liked most was that no one was arrogant or pretentious.
Harley

  Yes, I couldn't have imagined it would have turned out any other way.

Anyone ticketed?

[Las Vegas]

If someone is accused of a crime the prosecution should prosecute based on the evidence.
Shitbags and killers are being offered lighter sentences to go guilty.
Fuck that, prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

 Not many make decisions that allow pedos to walk when they know they have committed the crime.

everything you have said above about a lawyers actions are immoral to some degree.

Here is another moral dilemma
A cop investigating a murder knows for sure that the accused is guilty, yet if he writes his report honestly the perpetrator will get off on a technicality due to an evidential collection error.
Now, do you omit the error and just leave it out and ensure a conviction or remove it and let the killer go free?

Morals and justice have nothing to do with each other.

What did you mean by this part, BT?

[Simple Simon]

What did you mean by this part, BT?

its self explanatory.
Put yourself in the place of the cop, do you omit the evidence or put it in to ensure the guilty guy walks?

[Las Vegas]

its self explanatory.
Put yourself in the place of the cop, do you omit the evidence or put it in to ensure the guilty guy walks?

Can you give a scenario?

[Simple Simon]

Can you give a scenario?

it is a scenario.

the crime is murder.

[Las Vegas]

it is a scenario.

the crime is murder.

What does the cop know, and how does he discover it?

[Simple Simon]

What does the cop know, and how does he discover it?

fails to read him his rights properly, only he knows this.

[Las Vegas]

fails to read him his rights properly, only he knows this.

To say that he intended to inform the person of his rights, but that he failed to do that, you mean?

[Simple Simon]

To say that he intended to inform the person of his rights, but that he failed to do that, you mean?

No, you are getting the wrong end of the stick, what I mean is that an underwater banana clearly goes backwards towards Afghanistan and as such the differential motor always gives an incorrect reading as opposed to the latter.

now fuck off.

[Las Vegas]

No, you are getting the wrong end of the stick, what I mean is that an underwater banana clearly goes backwards towards Afghanistan and as such the differential motor always gives an incorrect reading as opposed to the latter.

now fuck off.

You have the most respectable approach to BBing on this site, IMO.  I can't believe a fucking hypothetical cop might stop me from ever being able to ask you more about it.

[HarleyBreite]

No one in the Ferrari Rally was issued a ticket but a few idiots pulled into the line and got in the way.
They were quickly passed.

[Simple Simon]

You have the most respectable approach to BBing on this site, IMO.  I can't believe a fucking hypothetical cop might stop me from ever being able to ask you more about it.

Im not sure whos gimmick you are but gimmick you are.