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The following is a basic contest prep diet and drug protocol that any low or mid level bodybuilder could follow to a major degree of success. The diet is simple: moderate carbs, low fat and high protein. There is no need to change this. The drug protocol is relatively mild but aggressive enough to guarantee success over most other competitors assuming nutrition, training intensity and genetics are about even. GH dosages are kept moderate for the average competitor that cannot 1) obtain real human grade growth hormone and/or 2) cannot afford to run 30+ iu's 5+ days a week.
- Diet:
5iu hgh sub-q upon waking
1mg sermorelin sub-q upon waking
120mcg clenuterol (pyramid up to this dosage)
75mcg T3 taken on an empty stomach 30 mins before breakfast
10iu humalog IM immediately before breakfast
1. 2 cups egg whites, 1 cup oats, 1 fruit
2. 8oz chicken breast, 1 sweet potato
3. 8oz lean ground beef, green vegetables
4. (pre workout)
-200mg caffeine
-50mg primatene (please note: gauge your tolerance to beta 2 adrenergic agonists as well as stimulants in general before mixing these with clen)
Meal: 50g whey protein, 1 cup oats
6. (intra workout)
- immediately before working out, 10iu humalog IM, 10iu humulin-R subq
- drink shake containing 25g whey, 100g dextrose, creatine, BCAA's during workout
- NOTE: if doing post workout cardio, keep a gatorade or another 50g dextrose on hand while on treadmill/stair mill/etc in case hypoglycemia before time to get post workout shake. also one may consider around 10iu's of nalbuphine prior to cardio.
7. (post workout)
-10iu hGH IV
-1mg sermorelin sub-q
- drink shake containing 50g whey, 50g dextrose, 1/2 cup oats
8. (90 mins PWO) 8 oz chicken breast, 1 cup grits or white rice, add a fruit if feeling hypo
9. 8oz chicken breast, 1 sweet potato
10. (before bed)
-5iu hGH (if possible, this is least important)
-1mg sermorelin
- 50g casein
Drug Protocol
- Diet should last 16 weeks but begin drug protocol 20 weeks in advance. so for the first 12 weeks:
- 2,000mg testosterone cyp
- 1,000mg deca durabolin
- 1,000mg equipoise
- 10iu+ hGH
- 10iu insulin upon waking, 15iu insulin pre workout
- For the next 4 weeks:
- 2,000mg test prop per week
- 700mg trenbolone acetate per week
- 700mg primobolan enanthate per week
- 700mg masteron dipropionate per week
- 5iu hGH in AM, 10iu hGH post workout, 5iu hGH before bed
- 10iu insulin AM, 10iu insulin pre workout
- 1mg sermorelin in AM and postworkout
- 120mcg clenbuterol
- 75mcg t3
- For the next 4 weeks:
- 1,050mg trenbolone acetate per week
- 1,000mg priomoblan enanthate per week
- 1,000mg masteron dipropionate per week
- 5iu hGH AM/10iu hGH pwo/5iu hgh before bed
- 1mg sermorelin AM and pwo
- 120mcg clenbuterol
- 75mcg t3
* drop hgh about a week out
Obviously this does not include depletion or carb up protocols as, to truly "nail" those, it requires an individual level of knowledge about one's own body. Furthermore I did not include diuretic and plasma expander info because - quite frankly - I don't want someone to kill themselves.
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Curious what sermorelin is.
Why is primatene named after primate?
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700mg of tren??????????
On 500mg im ready to rip someones head off :-\
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BFG
Do you think GHRP-2/6 can be used successfully for pre contest? Im doing a smaller show and dont want to drop a ton of $$$ on GH, but sti want to come in shredded
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700mg of tren??????????
On 500mg im ready to rip someones head off :-\
He goes up to 1050mg. The BP would be through the roof. Nothing like not sleeping for a month straight.
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BFG
Do you think GHRP-2/6 can be used successfully for pre contest? Im doing a smaller show and dont want to drop a ton of $$$ on GH, but sti want to come in shredded
100 percent yes...if its real - which is difficult to find. I have heard of a few legitimate suppliers for it, but I am not in the drug dealing business so I can only say "good luck".
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Reverse use of synthol
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100 percent yes...if its real - which is difficult to find. I have heard of a few legitimate suppliers for it, but I am not in the drug dealing business so I can only say "good luck".
Thanks bro!!!!
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i dont see any cel tech in there ???
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i dont see any cel tech in there ???
It's almost impossible to find legit Cell-Tech today and when you do it costs a fortune. Most competitors use Chinese Frog-Tech and up the dose, meaning they take two scoops instead of the recommended one. :-\
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so many things wrong with this shit-here is just a few things wrong-
75 mcg cytomel to start and stay on-big mistake- this is wayyyy to high and will fuck you up BIG TIME--if gonna use thyroid start at a smaller dose like 20 mcg and slowly work up
sermoreline-complete total waste of money
when talking about insulin- it is units for christ sake and 10 units = 1 iu- dont use 10 iu of insulin or you will be dead in 2 hours lol..thats because 10 IU= 1 cc --IAM SURE YOU MEAN 10 UNITS NOT IU------10 UNITS = 1 IU
and no one uses humulin R any more ..lol its garbage and to un predictable..
FOOD- your gonna want to eat FOOD- alot sooner then 90 min after your training-ESPECIALY IF YOUR TAKING INSULIN
dont do cardio after weights(u need to eat have your FOOD-- do the cardio first thing in the morning before breakfast -
There is more wrong and unneccessary bs in there-including the high toxic amounts of tren--
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so many things wrong with this shit-here is just a few things wrong-
75 mcg cytomel -big mistake- this is wayyyy to high and will fuck you up BIG TIME--if gonna use thyroid start at a smaller dose like 20 mcg and slowly work up
sermoreline-complete total waste of money
when talking about insulin- it is units for christ sake and 10 units = 1 iu- dont use 10 iu of insulin or you will be dead in 2 hours lol..thats because 10 IU= 1 cc --IAM SURE YOU MEAN 10 UNITS NOT IU------10 UNITS = 1 IU
and no one uses humulin R any more ..lol its garbage and to un predictable..
FOOD- your gonna want to eat FOOD- alot sooner then 90 min after your training-ESPESIALY IF YOUR TAKING INSULIN
dont do cardio after weights(u need to eat have your FOOD-- do the cardio first thing in the morning before breakfast -
1. Do you really believe 20mcg of t3 is adequate to win a serious mid-level, untested bodybuilding competition?
2. You've never used prescription sermorelin.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to units of measurement.
4. You didn't read the post workout protocol right
5. You don't understand how post workout cardio works.
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Increadable dedication and perseverance need to run that regime, props
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1. Do you really believe 20mcg of t3 is adequate to win a serious mid-level, untested bodybuilding competition?
2. You've never used prescription sermorelin.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to units of measurement.
4. You didn't read the post workout protocol right
5. You don't understand how post workout cardio works.
well considering iam a pro and have won nationals and many regional shows i think i know a bit
-75 mcg of cytomel for 8 wks to high for most people-especcially some one with a already high metabolism--lol
ive known lots of guys that use no cytomel and win shows -lol and yes 75 mcg is a high amount always better to start low and work up if needed
and 10 iu of insulin is way to high-there is 10 iu in 1 cc- and 100 units in 1 cc-so you saying take 1 cc insulin-and no one uses humulin R any more..
i did read the post wo protocol right-and its still better to do cardio first thing in the am
and i understand post wo cardio--lol-not to many guys do it-lol-its in the morning or before bed to be done-
sermorelin is ok nothing special-
and thats way to much tren--and you know it is--
if you have to use this much shit to win a level 1 or 2 non tested show your not gonna last to long
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well considering iam a pro and have won nationals and many regional shows i think i know a bit
-75 mcg of cytomel for 8 wks to high for most people-especcially some one with a already high metabolism--lol
ive known lots of guys that use no cytomel and win shows -lol and yes 75 mcg is a high amount always better to start low and work up if needed
and 10 iu of insulin is way to high-there is 10 iu in 1 cc- and 100 units in 1 cc-so you saying take 1 cc insulin-
i did read the post wo protocol right-and its still better to do cardio first thing in the am
and i understand post wo cardio--lol-not to many guys do it-lol-its in the morning or before bed to be done-
sermorelin is ok nothing special-
and thats way to much tren--and you know it is--
if you have to use this much shit to win a level 1 or 2 non tested show your not gonna last to long
There are only 10IU of anything in 1ml if that's the way it's re-constituted. HTH.
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There are only 10IU of anything in 1ml if that's the way it's re-constituted. HTH.
thats what iam saying-he is saying take 10 iu insulin--thats 1 ml --go ahead take that much and see what happens-
1 iu = 10 units--that is a more normal dose of insulin
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thats what iam saying-he is saying take 10 iu insulin--thats 1 ml --go ahead take that much and see what happens-
1 iu = 10 units--that is a more normal dose of insulin
So we presumably can agree that IU is a measure of activity, which will differ based on standards associated with a specific cpd (eg slin, HGH). But what are these generic "units" that you are referring to? It sounds like you're equating some volume measurement to activity.
BBs do use 10IU of insulin. Certainly not a low risk activity, and one would be a fool to do it without measuring blood glucose and having food nearby...
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So we presumably can agree that IU is a measure of activity, which will differ based on standards associated with a specific cpd (eg slin, HGH). But what are these generic "units" that you are referring to? It sounds like you're equating some volume measurement to activity.
BBs do use 10IU of insulin. Certainly not a low risk activity, and one would be a fool to do it without measuring blood glucose and having food nearby...
-10 iu = 1 ml--if i or anyone took 1 ml of insulin-u would not be having a good time - the normal dose of insulin is 10-20 units for a bodybuilder-which is 1-2 iu
-and if anyone not diabetic took 1 ml of any insulin it wouldnt be good you would be in insulin shock with in 1 hour-sweating like a pig-dizzy ----and possible death--not good-have lots of simple carbs around when messing with insulin
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well considering iam a pro and have won nationals and many regional shows i think i know a bit
-75 mcg of cytomel for 8 wks to high for most people-especcially some one with a already high metabolism--lol
ive known lots of guys that use no cytomel and win shows -lol and yes 75 mcg is a high amount always better to start low and work up if needed
and 10 iu of insulin is way to high-there is 10 iu in 1 cc- and 100 units in 1 cc-so you saying take 1 cc insulin-and no one uses humulin R any more..
i did read the post wo protocol right-and its still better to do cardio first thing in the am
and i understand post wo cardio--lol-not to many guys do it-lol-its in the morning or before bed to be done-
sermorelin is ok nothing special-
and thats way to much tren--and you know it is--
if you have to use this much shit to win a level 1 or 2 non tested show your not gonna last to long
You aren't a pro bodybuilder. You are also deeply confused about units of measurement.
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You aren't a pro bodybuilder. You are also deeply confused about units of measurement.
lmao--ok there little juicer ::)
ya you know iam not a pro- ::) -stfu -sorry to disapoint you but iam-believe it or not--you -amatuer who will never turn pro ever no matter how much shit you use--lol
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answer this -how many ius in one ml-
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lmao--ok there ::)
ya you know iam not a pro--stfu
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answer this -how many ius in one ml-
http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-ifu.pdf
INSTRUCTIONS FOR INSULIN VIAL USE
NEVER SHARE NEEDLES AND SYRINGES.
Correct Syringe Type
Doses of insulin are measured in units. U-100 insulin contains 100 units/mL (1 mL=1 cc).
With Humulin R, it is important to use a syringe that is marked for U-100 insulin preparations.
Failure to use the proper syringe can lead to a mistake in dosage, causing serious problems for
you, such as a blood glucose level that is too low or too high.
(http://goldcard-shop.com/images/Humulin%20R%20inj_2643.gif)
(http://www.novellance.com/images/disposable%20syringes.jpg)
this isn't rocket science.
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Most pro bodybuilders nowadays know how to use insulin. Perhaps your insane genetic response has allowed you to turn pro using - based on your puzzling "understanding" of international units - 1iu of insulin everyday? You should consider increasing your dosage to 2 "units" - you may become Mr Olympia.
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http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-ifu.pdf
INSTRUCTIONS FOR INSULIN VIAL USE
NEVER SHARE NEEDLES AND SYRINGES.
Correct Syringe Type
Doses of insulin are measured in units. U-100 insulin contains 100 units/mL (1 mL=1 cc).
With Humulin R, it is important to use a syringe that is marked for U-100 insulin preparations.
Failure to use the proper syringe can lead to a mistake in dosage, causing serious problems for
you, such as a blood glucose level that is too low or too high.
(http://goldcard-shop.com/images/Humulin%20R%20inj_2643.gif)
(http://www.novellance.com/images/disposable%20syringes.jpg)
this isn't rocket science.
thanks for proving me right-
100 units in 1 ml-
so how many units would ya take -??? 10-20 units is how much-- its not that difficult to figure out-you go ahead and take 1 ml(1 cc) of insulin-and let me know how ya feel
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-10 iu = 1 ml--if i or anyone took 1 ml of insulin-u would not be having a good time - the normal dose of insulin is 10-20 units for a bodybuilder-which is 1-2 iu
-and if anyone not diabetic took 1 ml of any insulin it wouldnt be good you would be in insulin shock with in 1 hour-sweating like a pig-dizzy ----and possible death--not good-have lots of simple carbs around when messing with insulin
Again, BBs do things that I feel are crazy, and this is one if those things. But timing and food make it livable, generally. But you can only argue this in terms of IU if you want to be taken seriously. Generic "units" which I guess you're basing on ticks on the syringe barrel, and other vol measures are really irrelevant here and can only lead to confusion or error.
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Again, BBs do things that I feel are crazy, and this is one if those things. But timing and food make it livable, generally. But you can only argue this in terms of IU if you want to be taken seriously. Generic "units" which I guess you're basing on ticks on the syringe barrel, and other vol measures are really irrelevant here and can only lead to confusion or error.
Hes a pro bodybuilder that injects his insulin with a 3cc syringe.
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Hes a pro bodybuilder that injects his insulin with a 3cc syringe.
lol your to much --when did i say that..lol
10-20 units-you tool--
when you take 10 iu of gh its 1 cc--right ? so when you take insulin do you take 1cc-- i think not-- ::)
you take 10 units you tool
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lol your to much --when did i say that..lol
10-20 units-you tool--
when you take 10 iu of gh its 1 cc--right ?
You've never seen an insulin pin have you?
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You've never seen an insulin pin have you?
why are we confusing this-1 cc insulin spike=there is 10 iu in 1 cc-100 units in 1 cc-
when you take 10 iu of gh its 1 cc--right ? so when you take insulin do you take 1cc-- i think not--
you take 10 units you tool
is it really that hard for you to figure out
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Agent69
Did you turn pro in the US? Natioanls or USA? In the 90's, 2000's? Throw us a bone!
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sorry agent your wrong. misses is a nurse.
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100iu is 1ml
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think your confused not incorrect
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why are we confusing this-1 cc insulin spike=there is 10 iu in 1 cc-100 units in 1 cc-
is it really that hard for you to figure out
I come on this board to educate aspiring bodybuilders to the reality of the sport - one of which is, obviously, drug use. So I will put aside my obvious frustration with your intelligence (or lack thereof) and attempt to provide some knowledge to you which could be helpful should you choose to pursue bodybuilding and the corresponding performance enhancement drugs with which it goes hand in hand.
Insulin needles come in different sizes, the most common being 1cc and 0.5cc's. 1cc is 100iu's (iu=international unit). Many drugs are measured in iu's but for our immediate purposes lets refer to insulin and hgh.
A 0.5cc insulin needle will contain up to 50iu's and a 1cc insulin needle will contain up to 100iu's. The amount of liquid in the syringe barrel is measured with small ticks that denote 10, 20, 30, 40,....and so on. Each of these refers to the amount of iu's that the liquid in the barrel has. If you take a 0.5cc insulin syringe and fill it up to the "30" marking it has 30iu's.
I hope this helps you in your future endeavors into the bodybuilding world.
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sorry agent your wrong. misses is a nurse.
hey i could be wrong but thats how i always understood it--when i take gh i take 10 iu-1cc--if i took 10 iu -1 cc of slin i woulld be dead--
i was taught there is 100 units in one cc or 10 iu
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I come on this board to educate aspiring bodybuilders to the reality of the sport - one of which is, obviously, drug use. So I will put aside my obvious frustration with your intelligence (or lack thereof) and attempt to provide some knowledge to you which could be helpful should you choose to pursue bodybuilding and the corresponding performance enhancement drugs with which it goes hand in hand.
Insulin needles come in different sizes, the most common being 1cc and 0.5cc's. 1cc is 100iu's (iu=international unit). Many drugs are measured in iu's but for our immediate purposes lets refer to insulin and hgh.
A 0.5cc insulin needle will contain up to 50iu's and a 1cc insulin needle will contain up to 100iu's. The amount of liquid in the syringe barrel is measured with small ticks that denote 10, 20, 30, 40,....and so on. Each of these refers to the amount of iu's that the liquid in the barrel has. If you take a 0.5cc insulin syringe and fill it up to the "30" marking it has 30iu's.
I hope this helps you in your future endeavors into the bodybuilding world.
you dont need to school me-i know all this --lmao
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well considering iam a pro and have won nationals and many regional shows i think i know a bit
-75 mcg of cytomel for 8 wks to high for most people-especcially some one with a already high metabolism--lol
ive known lots of guys that use no cytomel and win shows -lol and yes 75 mcg is a high amount always better to start low and work up if needed
and 10 iu of insulin is way to high-there is 10 iu in 1 cc- and 100 units in 1 cc-so you saying take 1 cc insulin-and no one uses humulin R any more..
i did read the post wo protocol right-and its still better to do cardio first thing in the am
and i understand post wo cardio--lol-not to many guys do it-lol-its in the morning or before bed to be done-
sermorelin is ok nothing special-
and thats way to much tren--and you know it is--
if you have to use this much shit to win a level 1 or 2 non tested show your not gonna last to long
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Agent69
Did you turn pro in the US? Natioanls or USA? In the 90's, 2000's? Throw us a bone!
2000s
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2000s
Tevita??????
Garret Downing?????????
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ius are units. international units.
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:)
Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc
100 units per 1 cc
6 mg = 18iu
1 ml = 18iu
.50 ml = 9iu
.25 ml = 4.5iu
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when you take hgh your mixing it down so its 10iu from 1ml
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you dont need to school me-i know all this --lmao
No you don't, or you would not have spent roughly a page on an internet forum arguing with me about international units, which you know nothing about.
You exposed yourself that you have never seen an insulin pin let alone used slin or gh.
Just to recap...you are a pro bodybuilder, that when competing uses 20mcg cytomel, less than a gram of tren and about 1iu of insulin? Oh, and also has no idea how inuslin needles work.
You dug your grave in my thread. Now why don't you just quiet down and learn from those who actually use performance enhancing drugs?
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:)
Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc
100 units per 1 cc
6 mg = 18iu
1 ml = 18iu
.50 ml = 9iu
.25 ml = 4.5iu
So if i have a 100 unit insulin dart, if i pull to the 10, its 10 iu's? Work with me, i sucked at math
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So if i have a 100 unit insulin dart, if i pull to the 10, its 10 iu's? Work with me, i sucked at math
It works for everybody thats actually used an insulin needle.
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:)
Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc
100 units per 1 cc
6 mg = 18iu
1 ml = 18iu
.50 ml = 9iu
.25 ml = 4.5iu
this
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No you don't, or you would not have spent roughly a page on an internet forum arguing with me about international units, which you know nothing about.
You exposed yourself that you have never seen an insulin pin let alone used slin or gh.
Just to recap...you are a pro bodybuilder, that when competing uses 20mcg cytomel, less than a gram of tren and about 1iu of insulin? Oh, and also has no idea how inuslin needles work.
You dug your grave in my thread. Now why don't you just quiet down and learn from those who actually use performance enhancing drugs?
calm down
expose my self your hillarious
i said start at 20 mcg cytomel and not everyone uses it and starting at 75 is retarded if you knew your shit you would know this
and everyone doesnt use a gram of tren a wk lol
i meant 10 iu as far as slin---was confusing 10 units which is same thing- lol
and there are few very important items left out of your so called contest drugs
your just another drug filled amatuer he thinks he knows everything
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No you don't, or you would not have spent roughly a page on an internet forum arguing with me about international units, which you know nothing about.
You exposed yourself that you have never seen an insulin pin let alone used slin or gh.
Just to recap...you are a pro bodybuilder, that when competing uses 20mcg cytomel, less than a gram of tren and about 1iu of insulin? Oh, and also has no idea how inuslin needles work.
You dug your grave in my thread. Now why don't you just quiet down and learn from those who actually use performance enhancing drugs?
If you know pros you know that many of them are fucking retarded and hardly know the difference between IU, mg and ml. Many.
There are different "types" of pros. Some turn pro in light weight classes, some turn pro as masters, many are simply gifted cards after a petition without winning anything significant (internationally). Many of these suck ass and couldn't win some local amateur shows. So "pro" means fuck all in itself.
More than a gram of tren is hardly a minimum required amount to turn pro. It's not impossible to turn pro and compete as a pro with no tren at all. Sure they are missing out on a great compound but there are other great steroids. In the early 90s, when competition was higher than today, were all guys who turned pro blasting at least 2 amps of Para a day or 150mg of Finajet?
Some of these pro gurus actually advice as little as 12.5mcg of Cytomel at times, so a low T3 dose doesn't mean much either. I question the usefulness of some of their advice, but a lot of these gurus are retards also.
I have no idea if this agent69 is a "pro" but usually I ask myself if this anonymous poster is stupid enough to be a pro, not the other way around. :D
I mean loook at this, this guy is a national level bb if I'm not mistaken. Case in point.
So if i have a 100 unit insulin dart, if i pull to the 10, its 10 iu's? Work with me, i sucked at math
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If you know pros you know that many of them are fucking retarded and hardly know the difference between IU, mg and ml. Many.
There are different "types" of pros. Some turn pro in light weight classes, some turn pro as masters, many are simply gifted cards after a petition without winning anything significant (internationally). Many of these suck ass and couldn't win some local amateur shows. So "pro" means fuck all in itself.
More than a gram of tren is hardly a minimum required amount to turn pro. It's not impossible to turn pro and compete as a pro with no tren at all. Sure they are missing out on a great compound but there are other great steroids. In the early 90s, when competition was higher than today, were all guys who turned pro blasting at least 2 amps of Para a day or 150mg of Finajet?
Some of these pro gurus actually advice as little as 12.5mcg of Cytomel at times, so a low T3 dose doesn't mean much either. I question the usefulness of some of their advice, but a lot of these gurus are retards also.
I have no idea if this agent69 is a "pro" but usually I ask myself if this anonymous poster is stupid enough to be a pro, not the other way around. :D
I mean loook at this, this guy is a national level bb if I'm not mistaken. Case in point.
Because I wrote units instead of iu I'm an idiot- really .. 10 units of insulin there I'll say it again - your another funny guy- 1 gram of tren a wk is alot -period -Ya ofcourse alot of guys use that much and more but not everyone- there's alot more to winning contests then doing tren- 75 mcg of cytomel is alot - I don't know to many pros pounding 75 mcg a day.for months on end but some do with zero metabolisms-
Fuck I could go on and on - but on this board there no point-
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If you know pros you know that many of them are fucking retarded and hardly know the difference between IU, mg and ml. Many.
There are different "types" of pros. Some turn pro in light weight classes, some turn pro as masters, many are simply gifted cards after a petition without winning anything significant (internationally). Many of these suck ass and couldn't win some local amateur shows. So "pro" means fuck all in itself.
More than a gram of tren is hardly a minimum required amount to turn pro. It's not impossible to turn pro and compete as a pro with no tren at all. Sure they are missing out on a great compound but there are other great steroids. In the early 90s, when competition was higher than today, were all guys who turned pro blasting at least 2 amps of Para a day or 150mg of Finajet?
Some of these pro gurus actually advice as little as 12.5mcg of Cytomel at times, so a low T3 dose doesn't mean much either. I question the usefulness of some of their advice, but a lot of these gurus are retards also.
I have no idea if this agent69 is a "pro" but usually I ask myself if this anonymous poster is stupid enough to be a pro, not the other way around. :D
I mean loook at this, this guy is a national level bb if I'm not mistaken. Case in point.
Van_B brings it as usual.
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Because I wrote units instead of iu I'm an idiot- really .. 10 units of insulin there I'll say it again - your another funny guy- 1 gram of tren a wk is alot -period -Ya ofcourse alot of guys use that much and more but not everyone- there's alot more to winning contests then doing tren- 75 mcg of cytomel is alot - I don't know to many pros pounding 75 mcg a day.for months on end but some do with zero metabolisms-
Fuck I could go on and on - but on this board there no point-
I wasn't getting involved in the IU conversion debate, who is right or wrong, didn't even really look at it. I wasn't saying you're an idiot, just that being retarded is in no way an indicator someone couldn't be a pro bb.
There are many many good bodybuilders that have literally zero clue about the technical side of drug use. Why do you think they employ pencil necks for drug advice? Because they couldn't be bothered to do even the least amount of reading on the subject. Most just don't give a shit.
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If you know pros you know that many of them are fucking retarded and hardly know the difference between IU, mg and ml. Many.
There are different "types" of pros. Some turn pro in light weight classes, some turn pro as masters, many are simply gifted cards after a petition without winning anything significant (internationally). Many of these suck ass and couldn't win some local amateur shows. So "pro" means fuck all in itself.
More than a gram of tren is hardly a minimum required amount to turn pro. It's not impossible to turn pro and compete as a pro with no tren at all. Sure they are missing out on a great compound but there are other great steroids. In the early 90s, when competition was higher than today, were all guys who turned pro blasting at least 2 amps of Para a day or 150mg of Finajet?
Some of these pro gurus actually advice as little as 12.5mcg of Cytomel at times, so a low T3 dose doesn't mean much either. I question the usefulness of some of their advice, but a lot of these gurus are retards also.
I have no idea if this agent69 is a "pro" but usually I ask myself if this anonymous poster is stupid enough to be a pro, not the other way around. :D
I mean loook at this, this guy is a national level bb if I'm not mistaken. Case in point.
I never claimed pro bodybuilders were, in general, smart. In fact one may argue that to make a career of taking copious amount of health-compromising drugs for years on end, one is probably the opposite of "smart." There is, however, one thing that pro bodybuilders do know how to do quite well: take drugs. I have yet to meet a pro bodybuilder who does not know how to draw up 10iu's of insulin...many do it before every single meal.
If you are beginning to suggest that bodybuilders in past decades took moderate amounts of drugs, you are extremely confused. If you want to refer to 90s bodybuilding, I can tell you that a major "pro maker" guru out of new jersey's average contest prep protocol for a good friend of mine when he was doing jr nationals involved 2 amps of parabolan every day and 3 amps of winstrol suspension every day.
My initial post was a basic framework that the average bodybuilder can use to find success and mid level shows without much stress or paying the typical Gold's gym masters competitor/con man for "advice."
Furthermore, this "Agent69" clown is not a pro bodybuilder. He has never even touched an insulin needle.
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I never claimed pro bodybuilders were, in general, smart. In fact one may argue that to make a career of taking copious amount of health-compromising drugs for years on end, one is probably the opposite of "smart." There is, however, one thing that pro bodybuilders do know how to do quite well: take drugs. I have yet to meet a pro bodybuilder who does not know how to draw up 10iu's of insulin...many do it before every single meal.
If you are beginning to suggest that bodybuilders in past decades took moderate amounts of drugs, you are extremely confused. If you want to refer to 90s bodybuilding, I can tell you that a major "pro maker" guru out of new jersey's average contest prep protocol for a good friend of mine when he was doing jr nationals involved 2 amps of parabolan every day and 3 amps of winstrol suspension every day.
My initial post was a basic framework that the average bodybuilder can use to find success and mid level shows without much stress or paying the typical Gold's gym masters competitor/con man for "advice."
Furthermore, this "Agent69" clown is not a pro bodybuilder. He has never even touched an insulin needle.
Of course they used a lot. Some might even say the steroid intake was higher then, and today it's more peptides. But things like Parabolan weren't always available in unlimited amounts everywhere around the globe, at all times. Even today a pro, just like any amateur, will not be able to get anything he wishes at the snap of his fingers. What I'm saying is, is that 2 amps of Para a day simply wasn't a prerequisite to turn pro. I know of one pro, today, whose pro guru suggested 300mg tren per week for prep. There was a lot of other shit in the stack but the tren dose wasn't crazy.
You are a dealer and UGL operator, right? There was this other dealer on here who also spoke of pro stacks, before he shot himself and his girlfriend. Dave Jacobs. This guy wasn't posting anonymously... though I wonder if this increases or decreases his credibility.
But look at his insulin comments and contrast to yours.
Absolutely...
Also I can not say anything against what GH15 is saying based upon his personal experiences and who he works with or knows. There are obviously a lot of pros out there and people cant know and work with all of them. There may very well be pros (and non pros) out there that are using up to the 10g mark weekly, but I think that most of that is not being processed or utilized by the body. "more is not always better". Your body can only process and handle so much of anything before the remainder becomes a waste product. I am sure that there are people out there who will do almost anything and use anything to try and achieve results and get themselves to the higher levels. However I can tell you that most of the "top" pros I know do not use such high and excessive doses.
Every pro I personally know uses slin. The amounts vary largely, but I have never heard of anyone using 60iu or even close on a daily basis. Even 60iu over a weekly basis is horrific on your pancreas and will not only put you at risk of forcing yourself to become diabetic, but it will also cause an enormous enlargement of the intestines and give you what people mistake as "gh gut" Most of the large stomachs you see on stage are not from GH usage but rather slin abuse.
Most people I know who have used slin very effectively and without negative side effects range from 5 - 10iu daily with a ratio of 15:1 complex carbs for each iu of slin. Vitargo and similar types of carbs are preferred over simple sugars. I can not imagine the effects on the body of using extreme high dosages of slin. When considering the carb intake needed that would be a minimum of 600g of carbs but more like 900g of carbs to ensure you would not go into diabetic shock and die. Imagine doing that while dieting. Talk about fighting a losing battle. The bloat and fatigue effect would be incredible. I can honestly say I have never personally worked with any professional who took more than 12iu during a day. Most people use it only 3 to 4 days a week, and on training days such as chest, legs and back. If you look at the spike that insulin causes and the way it continues to spike and how long it stays active in the body - I feel anyone using super high dosages of slin is riding the razors edge.
However, the steroid doses weren't much different from yours.
If you want to take up and total up all mgs of gear then yes there are many who do up to close to and over 5g of gear on a weekly basis.
For example. I know someone who did the following for the Olympia last year:
Test - 2.5g weekly (long acting at start then 5 weeks out switching to prop and phenyl prop)
EQ - 600mg Weekly
Durabolin - 700 mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Winstrol - 350mg weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Masteron - 350mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Proviron - 700mg Weekly (100mg daily)
Halotestin - 210mg Weekly (30mg daily) (Last 5 weeks pre contest)
Nolvadex - 210mg Weekly (30mg Daily)
Anavar - 420mg weekly (60mg daily)
not calculated
10iu HgH daily
25mcg IGF1 - Daily
So that in itself gives you 6040mg or 6.04 grams per week.
I think that is on the very high end and for a big show. A normal "off season" cycle would not have near that much stuff in it.
What do you make of this insulin discrepancy? And if I'm seeing right, no tren!
The you have Milos Sarcev who relies on 40-60iu of insulin a day. Look at the tren dose. Now I know many of his clients took more, but I also know some who got this type of dosage advice and followed it.
I mentioned somewhere here on getbig what the true IFBB Olympia competitor cycle looks like - and most of the people attacked not just me, my parents, grandparents...and my ancestors but my whole Religion, Nationality...and...OK.. .I am running out of ideas...
Anyway, what I said than (hopefully someone could find it?) and I will say now:
Smart pros use dramatically LESS than what most of the people believe...
Some of the guys I prepare actually complained on amounts I have given here on board - as WAY TOO MUCH...and I do know few guys who hardly touch those amounts...
But, if you want to accomplish THE BEST EFFECT: Highest anabolism, lowest catabolism, appropriate androgenic activity and possible fat loss while trying to maintain (or gain?) muscle size and considering correct usage and certainly NOT abusing any drugs...keeping eye on possible side effects vs benefits...than my 12 week Olympia cycle would be:
4 weeks:
Sustanon 250 - (500-750 mg/week)
Deca (500 mg/week)
Dboll (3X20mg/day)
Trenbolon (200 mg/week)
Arimidex - 1mg /day
5-8 week:
Test Prop 50-100 mg/day alternate with Test Heptylate 50-100 mg day (500-700 mg/week)
Trenbolon Acetate (200 mg/week)
Primobolan (500 mg/week)
Anadrol (3 x 25 mg/day)
Winstrol tabs (3 x 15 mg/day)
Arimidex - 1 mg /day alternate with 2.5 mg Femara every other day
9-12 week:
Test prop 100 mg/day alternate with 50-100 mg Test Suspension /day - every other day (500-700 mg /week)
Masterone 100 mg every other day - stop 10 days out
Winstrol injectable 50 mg /day (week 9) 100 mg/day (week 10) and 150 mg/day (week 11) - stop 5 days out
Oxandrolone (3 x 10-20 mg/day)
Halotestin (3 x 10 mg/day) / Or Andriol (40 mg Test Undecanoate x 3 /day) - either or?
Arimidex 2 mg (possible 3?) /day
With this cycle possible additions:
Clenbuterol, T3 (cytomel) T4 (Synthroid) GH, insulin, Cytadren....IF needed or available...but you asked for steroids - anyway...
OK?
Got to go now...
My opinion is that you need heavy everything to look like Kai Greene or Coleman and so on. But then you have 212 guys for example who can look pretty damn good on lower doses, good pharma growth goes a long way in allowing you to do lower anabolic doses, and insulin of course can add a lot to that. A pro is not a pro... there are different types of pro bodybuilders.
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BF-I could give two shits if you think I'm a ifbb pro or not - get off your insulin needle trip I know how many units are in a ml and believe me have done my share of goodies- lets move forward-lol- most of the shit you talk about is true and alot is not - your a guy that will never turn pro with your shit genetics- so you think the more ya do the better you will be - for this you are just another wanna be -
Carry on with your bullshit -trying to educate people you said-
I won't jump On any more off your highly educational threads showing people how everyone doses and what they take-
Fuckin hillarious
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Damn, solid post Van_B. Thanks for that
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thanks for proving me right-
100 units in 1 ml-
so how many units would ya take -??? 10-20 units is how much-- its not that difficult to figure out-you go ahead and take 1 ml(1 cc) of insulin-and let me know how ya feel
Sorry but I have a few buds who take 100 fast acting per shot. I have even went up to 30 ii three times a day. No signs of hypo nothing. Reason being... I'm not retarded and ate carbs. I was once in the hospital to visit someone and over heard this diabetic in there saying how he takes 100iu humalog per meal as well. It's not crazy it depends on your own bodies sensitivity to insulin everyone is so beyond different. And difference between me and the guys I know taking 100iu slin is there 300 or near it. Mind you not Mr o lean a lot higher bodyfat and 6;1 still huge though.
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Bump for quality content.
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I like the gh slin protocol looks solid. I an wondering though obviously nobody except your top pros can afford 20+ iu ojrams so he suggest generi cs. But then I see guys swearing by low dose pharma. Yall think 3iu nordis would yield better lean gains fztloss and size over sat 10 iu hyges? It would cost about the same for me. 10 iu 5 x a wi hyge or 3 iu 5x a wo norditropin or seros. With 10 iu humalog before breakfast and workout
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It might not yield better gains but if there's less risk of it being fake then go with the Nordis or Seros....
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Seems to be the answer I'm seei.g with regards to pharma peace of mind a out what yiur I.injecting is actually gh and notsome Chinese garbage peptides diuretic cocktail
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Of course they used a lot. Some might even say the steroid intake was higher then, and today it's more peptides. But things like Parabolan weren't always available in unlimited amounts everywhere around the globe, at all times. Even today a pro, just like any amateur, will not be able to get anything he wishes at the snap of his fingers. What I'm saying is, is that 2 amps of Para a day simply wasn't a prerequisite to turn pro. I know of one pro, today, whose pro guru suggested 300mg tren per week for prep. There was a lot of other shit in the stack but the tren dose wasn't crazy.
You are a dealer and UGL operator, right? There was this other dealer on here who also spoke of pro stacks, before he shot himself and his girlfriend. Dave Jacobs. This guy wasn't posting anonymously... though I wonder if this increases or decreases his credibility.
But look at his insulin comments and contrast to yours.
However, the steroid doses weren't much different from yours.
What do you make of this insulin discrepancy? And if I'm seeing right, no tren!
The you have Milos Sarcev who relies on 40-60iu of insulin a day. Look at the tren dose. Now I know many of his clients took more, but I also know some who got this type of dosage advice and followed it.
My opinion is that you need heavy everything to look like Kai Greene or Coleman and so on. But then you have 212 guys for example who can look pretty damn good on lower doses, good pharma growth goes a long way in allowing you to do lower anabolic doses, and insulin of course can add a lot to that. A pro is not a pro... there are different types of pro bodybuilders.
good post, however the 212 guys I know are taking the same shit, no difference, they are just as thick but shorter.