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Getbig Female Info Boards => Open Talk for Girl Discussion => Topic started by: Dos Equis on May 12, 2011, 11:38:23 AM
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From a discussion on the Politics board. Interested in what some of the women think about this?
I hope I don't live long enough to see a woman President.... After all.
(http://www.shirt-fight.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bitches-be-crazy.jpg)
Why? I would love to see a woman president. Bachmann would be good. Even Hillary would have been better than Obama.
Sorry man... There's a reason why most men are CEOs and run shit... It must be for a reason.
Men get shit done and work together... women piss and moan and bitch about each other and cause problems.
I'll probably never vote for a woman President... Call me sexist if you want to.
O.K. You're a sexist.
The reason men run most large companies is we had a glass ceiling and many enter the workforce late (or take breaks) to raise kids. It still exists. I still talk to men who don't like to hire women because they get pregnant.
Women are just as capable as men to run businesses and be government leaders.
Men and women get things done, but men also tend to break things, start wars, commit most of the crime, etc.
I will say there is definitely an element of "drama" that women bring to the workplace, but to say they aren't as capable as men to lead is just untrue.
If you say so... They bring a lot more than drama... They bring unrest.
A lot of women commit crime and a lot of crimes men commit are because of trying to impress or deal with a woman (Crimes of passion and the like)
I say so because it's true. One of the most successful governors in Hawaii history was female (Governor Linda Lingle). Probably the leading business person in Hawaii is female (Connie Lau). http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=1095886&ticker=HE:US
We have successful women in the U.S. House, other women governors, mayors, and all throughout government and the private sector all over the country. We have two women on the U.S. Supreme Court. Women who are college presidents, etc., etc.
Yes a lot of women commit crimes, but men, by far, commit more (especially violent crime) and take up most of our prison space.
Yes there are successful women... They are not the majority.
Yes there are men who commit crimes... what does that have to do with the former?
Dude you need help. Why the woman hatred? I thought Decide was the only resident woman hater.
I said men commit most of the crime. You responded by saying a lot of women commit crime. I agreed, but reiterated that most crime, especially violent crime, is committed by men.
I do not hate women. I am honest about their ability to work together and lead.
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I don't know you, but you certainly sound like a woman hater.
So you are saying that my statements are not factual?
I've already said they are not factual and explained why they are not factual.
Most women are not successful? Good grief man. :-\
In business... hell no.
"When we studied the leadership of 2,000 of the world's top performing companies, we found only 29 (1.5%) of those CEOs were women, an even smaller percentage than on the Fortune 500 Global list (2.6%). So it should not come as a surprise that only one woman, Meg Whitman, former CEO of eBay, made it to the top 100 of our rankings."
Women have been hugely successful in business.
Not sure what you think that quote establishes, but the fact women make up such a small percentage of CEOs in Fortune 500 companies is not because they're not capable. There are several reasons why there are so few: the glass ceiling, entering the workforce late due to childbirth, or leaving and then returning to the workforce because they want to raise a family.
So you're saying they have a lot more excuses too... I see.
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How am I talking out of both sides of my mouth... I'm saying that they target whomever owes child support but doesn't pay... Whether they be men or women... Inevitably though, there are more men ordered to pay... therefore, more men will be in default.
So you're the one saying they target men... You.
So let me make sure I understand... You are stating women are treated fairly and are equals, that's why they should be allowed to run companies and be President, yet men are targeted by enforcement agencies... Even though they by far pay the most child support.
You don't see that you are the one who is talking out of both sides here?
No... you won't... you will try to justify your lunacy with something ridiculous... So go ahead and get started.
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Asking a question and providing someone else's answer? How original. ::)
What on earth does child support have to do with women working in business running for political office? It's difficult to respond to gobbledygook. One issue at a time.
I don't have much more to add to men paying child support other than what I've already said.
I'm not sure how to respond to whatever it is you're saying. You're all over the place.
That's your answer... ok then.
Please don't comment on Child support anymore... you don't know. If you feel like looking at research and coming back... fine.
As far as women as Presidents of companies or the US... Again, I have provided numbers about that... If women would do a better job, they'd get more CEO jobs... They don't... simple.
People care about money... They want the companies they invest in to succeed... Very few women bring that success at that level.
You call it sexist, but I call it fact... I am all over the place because at the core, it's about women who succeed and in both instances, they are proven not to... In business, they just get fired or don't get jobs, in households, they get welfare from the man who does succeed.
I will comment on whatever the heck I want. The real solution is don't read and/or respond to something you don't like, or that doesn't interest you. I do it all the time. :)
Your comments about women are some of the most preposterous things I have ever read on this board. They are comments I would expect from someone like SamsonJag. Your statistics about female CEOs do not prove that women are not capable of running businesses. If you believe that, then you're not very bright. As I indicated in another thread, the lack of female CEOs at Fortune 500 companies are a direct result of the glass ceiling, women entering the workforce late due to marriage and/childbirth, and women leaving and then returning to the workforce to raise kids.
The men who run these companies, many of whom are in their 60s or so, entered the workforce 30 or 40 years ago. Women did not have a level playing field in the workforce in the 1970s or even part of the 1980s. If you've talked to many people in upper management, like I have, and listen to what some of them say about women, it's alarming. The primary complaint I've heard is they're upset that women get pregnant and leave. Has zero to do with their ability to lead.
You keep saying that... You're saying 30 years and the glass ceiling isn't broken?
We have more BLACK CEOs than we have women... These people were slaves for 400 years, yet they can break the glass ceiling and women can't?
You're right about one thing... you can respond to whatever you want to, you just don't make much of an argument in this case... You go ahead and "stick to your guns" about this... Bottom line is... you're just wrong.
What does being pregnant have to do with it anyway? If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant and wants to have a successful career, no one is stopping them... Nothing but an excuse.
Everything you've said is an excuse for being "less than".
Let me make I understand exactly what you're saying. Are you suggesting men are smarter than women?
I didn't say that... I said they were more successful... The reasons are not about intelligence, but their social skills.
Men work together to achieve a goal... Even if they typically do not like the person they are working with. The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend.
Women do not work together well... They cat fight... Always struggle for power and stab each other in the back more frequently. The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy.
It has much more to do with how they view their peers... women always try to find fault with other women... They "hate" on each other. Men use other men's skills to their advantage... less "hate".
Go listen to how women talk about other women when out in a public and social setting (such as a bar or club)... Guys almost never do that to other guys in the real world... Only on a bodybuilding forum does stuff like that happen.
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This happens, but it's primarily less educated staff who engage in this kind of stuff. White collar female professionals and politicians, by and large, do not have these issues. They don't have "cat fights." They function just as well as men in those environments.
I listen to women talk all the time in public and social settings, both here and across the country. To say all professional women, or even a majority, don't have the social skills to be successful is untrue.
And in terms of "back stabbing," it's professional men who are much more ruthless than women in my experience. People (primarily men) in business can be cutthroat. Not even close.
I disagree.
Obviously. And there are others like you. That's why we have Title VII. lol . . . .
Not a bit... If women prove that they are capable, I have no problem with it... My life experience, as well as the experience of most, has shown otherwise.
I am not against equal rights... I'm against special treatment... Don't get it twisted.
I haven't twisted anything. You don't believe women are as capable as men in business or politics. You would never vote for a woman president. I assume that means any other elected office too?
Title VII was designed precisely for your kind of mindset.
As I think about it, I'm not all that surprised, because I've met a number of men who don't like to hire women. I actually talked to a woman's group about this last year. It does create additional barriers for them to overcome.
My life experience tells me you have a warped view of women in society and the workplace.
You're just wrong... You have no concept of why I say what I say, even when I've come out and said very clearly why.
You're just delusional when it comes to this point. I will not respond anymore in this thread.
No worries. :) I hope you can overcome your misogyny. :-\
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Also, from a story I posted a while back:
Women leading men in CEO pay
16 top females had salaries 43% higher than male average
By Alexis Leondis
Bloomberg News Service
Chief executive officers' pay is shattering the glass ceiling.
Boosted by a $47.2 million package for Carol Bartz of Yahoo! Inc. and $26.3 million for Irene Rosenfeld of Kraft Foods Inc., compensation for female CEOs at the biggest U.S. companies is booming.
Sixteen women heading companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index averaged earnings of $14.2 million in their latest fiscal years, 43 percent more than the male average, according to data compiled by Bloomberg News from proxy filings. The women who were also CEOs in 2008 got a 19 percent raise in 2009 — while the men took a 5 percent cut.
"When you see numbers like this, one can truly say that the glass ceiling in corporate America has been shattered," said Frank Glassner, CEO of San Francisco-based Veritas Executive Compensation Consultants LLC. "I don't remember seeing women ever getting paid more than men."
Graef Crystal, a pay expert who analyzed the data for Bloomberg News, said that "compensation committees are saying we don't want to have any trouble" over underpaying women, "so if we err, let's err on the side of giving them too much."
Darwinian competition is also playing a role, said Sheila Wellington, a professor of management and organizations at New York University who studies women business leaders.
"These are the strongest, fittest and toughest who survive," according to Wellington, who said she was offered half the salary of male peers for her first job at a mental health facility in 1968. "They've had to negotiate all the way up the ladder."
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100514/BUSINESS18/5140323/Women+leading+men+in+CEO+pay
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=330793.0
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tu has his opinion of course, but his view seems narrow (sorry tu!).
Also, many women are in prison because of crimes they committed for "their man."
Personally if I was president I would hope to be postmenopausal :)
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tu has his opinion of course, but his view seems narrow (sorry tu!).
Also, many women are in prison because of crimes they committed for "their man."
Personally if I was president I would hope to be postmenopausal :)
Your opinion doesn't count Butterbean. You're like a guy. In a non-butch, cool sorta way. :)
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you mean in a hottie (albiet big footed), non-butch, cool, thinks like a guy and doesn't poop kinda way
p.s. your almost out of toilet paper Stella
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lolz
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women are capable of running a business and in politics. I think they just need to get out of their own way
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tu has his opinion of course, but his view seems narrow (sorry tu!).
I have to be nice here, so I just quote this. :)
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I think alot of his perspective probably has to do with personal experiences instead of facts. Actually I just read a little more "life experiences" is cited as his reasoning...
Ive had the benefit of having a few women as my boss, my direct boss right now is a women and she is the CFO so Id say thats pretty successful. She pretty much holds the company together I would hate to see what would happen if she got sick or heaven forbid quit.
The person I interned for at ML was a women, had a child and was about to give birth to her second all while making probably 300k+ a yr.
I think women have a much harder time splitting the dichotomy that our culture insists they do and thats why ppl percieve them as ineffective leaders. If youre expected to be submissive, soft hearted and kind its kinda hard to be hard lined, deadline oriented and aggressive without being percieved as a "bitch" by those projecting the opposite views on you.
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tu has his opinion of course, but his view seems narrow (sorry tu!).
Also, many women are in prison because of crimes they committed for "their man."
Personally if I was president I would hope to be postmenopausal :)
Wow...
Butterbean... Are you saying that women's hormones make them a bit "unhinged"?
I agree that the commit crimes for "Their man"... That's being a follower and not a leader.
I posted my opinions on the Politics Board because it just went that way in the discussion... I didn't bring it over here because of the "positive vibe this board is supposed to have.
Personally, I think Beach should have directed you to the discussion thread and not copied and pasted my comments over here...
I must have got in his head.
I have to be nice here, so I just quote this. :)
Still in your head I see.
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The person I interned for at ML was a women, had a child and was about to give birth to her second all while making probably 300k+ a yr.
what does she look like?
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I think alot of his perspective probably has to do with personal experiences instead of facts. Actually I just read a little more "life experiences" is cited as his reasoning...
Ive had the benefit of having a few women as my boss, my direct boss right now is a women and she is the CFO so Id say thats pretty successful. She pretty much holds the company together I would hate to see what would happen if she got sick or heaven forbid quit.
The person I interned for at ML was a women, had a child and was about to give birth to her second all while making probably 300k+ a yr.
I think women have a much harder time splitting the dichotomy that our culture insists they do and thats why ppl percieve them as ineffective leaders. If youre expected to be submissive, soft hearted and kind its kinda hard to be hard lined, deadline oriented and aggressive without being percieved as a "bitch" by those projecting the opposite views on you.
If you need to be a bitch to get stuff done, then be a bitch and get stuff done... No one ever says a guy can't be a caring loving father and not get pissy... It's another excuse.
Your old boss is an exception... not the rule... Good for her.
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Found a great site. Some statistics:
Women Earn More Degrees
Women have been earning more bachelor’s degrees than men since 1982 and they have been
earning more master’s degrees than men since 1981. They are projected to earn 59% of all
postsecondary degrees conferred in 2008.16
Women are projected to earn 52% of professional degrees conferred in 2008–09, up from
2.6% in 1961.17
Women are projected to earn 52.7% of all doctoral degrees in 2008–09, while in 1961 they
earned only 10.5% of all doctoral degrees.18
The proportion of women in law school increased from 3.7% in 1963 to 44% in the academic
year 2007–08.19
The proportion of women in medical school increased from 5.8% in the academic year 1960–
61 to almost 49% in the academic year 2007–08.20
Between academic years 1959–60 and 2005–06, the percentage of degrees in dentistry
earned by women increased from 0.8% to 44.5%.21
http://www.pay-equity.org/PDFs/ProfWomen.pdf
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Found a great site. Some statistics:
Women Earn More Degrees
Women have been earning more bachelor’s degrees than men since 1982 and they have been
earning more master’s degrees than men since 1981. They are projected to earn 59% of all
postsecondary degrees conferred in 2008.16
Women are projected to earn 52% of professional degrees conferred in 2008–09, up from
2.6% in 1961.17
Women are projected to earn 52.7% of all doctoral degrees in 2008–09, while in 1961 they
earned only 10.5% of all doctoral degrees.18
The proportion of women in law school increased from 3.7% in 1963 to 44% in the academic
year 2007–08.19
The proportion of women in medical school increased from 5.8% in the academic year 1960–
61 to almost 49% in the academic year 2007–08.20
Between academic years 1959–60 and 2005–06, the percentage of degrees in dentistry
earned by women increased from 0.8% to 44.5%.21
http://www.pay-equity.org/PDFs/ProfWomen.pdf
What does that have to do with the point of topic?
Yes... women get degrees... What do they do with them after is the point.
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The Wage Gap Persists
The wage gap between sexes still plagues the American workforce. In 2007, the Center for
American Progress (CAP) found that women earn 78 cents on a dollar for every dollar a man
earns in a year.28 The gender wage gap has extreme costs for women over the course of their
careers. CAP found that the average female worker loses approximately $434,000 in wages over
a 40-year period as a direct result of pay inequities.29 Out of 23 Organization for Economic Co-
operation and Development (OECD) countries, the United States has the seventh largest gender
earnings gap. The gender wage gap in the United States is 21.6%, well above the OECD average
of 18.5%.30
In 2009, women’s median weekly earnings were only 80.2% of men’s median weekly earnings.
For most women of color, the earnings gap was even larger:31
African American women earned 71 cents for every dollar earned by men in 2009.32
Hispanic and Latina women earned just 62 cents for every dollar men earned.33
Only Asian American women’s earnings were closer to parity with men’s: in 2009, they
earned 95 cents for every dollar earned by men. However, they earned 81.8% as much as
Asian American men.34
The wage gap is also more pronounced for older women: in 2009, women over 25 earned 78.7%
that of men in the same age group while women aged 1624 earned 92.6% as much as their male
peers.35
The support and opportunity for women to pursue careers in fields like science, technology,
engineering and mathematics is important for working towards pay equity. In science and
engineering, for example, women are still paid less than men but tend to earn more than similarly
educated women in other sectors of the workforce. The average starting salary for someone with
a bachelor’s degree in mechanical engineering, for example, was just over $59,000. By
comparison, the average starting salary for an individual with a bachelor’s degree in economics
was just under $50,000.36
Equal pay, however, remains a problem in every occupational category, even in occupations
where women considerably outnumber men. In 2009, certain professions showed a significant
gap:37
Women in professional and related occupations earned over 26% less than their male
counterparts, while women in sales and office occupations earned 20% less than similarly
employed men.
Female elementary and middle school teachers earned over 14% less than similarly
employed men, despite comprising almost 82% of the field.38
Female registered nurses earned more than 5% less than their male colleagues, although
over 90% of nurses are women.39
Female physicians and surgeons earned a whopping 36% less than their male
counterparts.
Female college and university teachers earned over 15% less than those who were male.
Female lawyers earned 25% less than male lawyers.
Women also earn less at every level of education. For full-time workers aged 25 and older in
2007:
The median annual earnings of a female high school graduate was 26% less than that of
her male counterpart.
The median annual earnings of a woman with a bachelor’s degree was almost 25% (or on
average $16,058) less than that of a similarly qualified man.
Women are more likely to complete graduate education. A woman with a master’s
degree earned 25% (or on average $19,250) less than a man with a master’s degree.
The median annual earnings for a woman with a professional degree was $65,912 while
men earned over $90,000.
A woman with a doctoral degree earned more than 22% (or on average $18,054) less than
a similarly qualified man.40
According to a recent report by the American Association of University Women, women
who attended highly selective colleges earn less than men from either highly or
moderately selective colleges and about the same as men from minimally selective
colleges.
Men and women remain segregated by college major, with women making up 79% of
education majors and men making up 82% of engineering majors. This segregation is
found in the workplace as well, where women make up 74% of the education field and
men make up 84% of the engineering and architecture fields.41
According to a study by the Center for American Progress, women at all educational
levels suffer long term affects from the wage gap. Women with less than a high school
diploma will earn on average $270,000 less over a 40 year time period than their male
counterparts. The differences are even larger as educational attainment grows. Women
with a high school degree will earn, on average, $392,000 less, women with some college
will earn $452,000 less, and women with a bachelor’s degree or higher will earn
$713,000 less than their male counterparts over a 40-year period.42
Because women are paid less when they work, they receive smaller Social Security benefits
when they retire:
Women represent 57% of all Social Security beneficiaries age 62 and older and
approximately 69% of beneficiaries age 85 and older.43
In 2006, the average Social Security income received by women 65 years and older was
$10,685, compared with $14,055 for men.44
In 2007, 47% of unmarried women receiving Social Security benefits relied on Social
Security for 90% or more of their income.45
In 2006, the average Social Security retirement benefit was 25.5% smaller for women
than men. Sixty-eight point seven percent of women receive a monthly benefit of under
$1,000 while 70% of men receive more than $1,000 per month.46
In 2007, for unmarried women age 65 and older, Social Security comprised 48% of their
total income. In contrast, Social Security benefits comprised only 37% of unmarried
elderly men’s income and only 30% of elderly couples’ income.47
In 2006, only 29.2% of women 65 and older received any form of pension or annuity
income and the median amount was $6,420. For men, 43.8% received pensions or
annuity income and the median amount was $12,000.48
The American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) estimates that unmarried women
receive approximately $8,000 less in annual retirement income than their male
counterparts. Two-thirds of this disparity is directly attributable to the wage gap and
employment segregation.50
Participation in employer-sponsored retirement plans is increasing for women in today’s
workforce. In 2007, 52.6% of women employed full-time participated in an employer-
sponsored plan compared to 51.6% of men. Women generally receive lower pensibenefits due to their relatively lower earnings.49
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What does that have to do with the point of topic?
Yes... women get degrees... What do they do with them after is the point.
They don't just get degrees. They earn more degrees than men.
When they reach the highest levels, they actually earn more than men. Getting there can be the hard part.
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Also, if you look at how the percentages of women earning undergraduate and advanced degrees has skyrocketed, you'll have a better understanding of why it has taken a while for many of them to reach the highest levels in business and the professions. The numbers in the 1960s were abysmal.
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They don't just get degrees. They earn more degrees than men.
When they reach the highest levels, they actually earn more than men. Getting there can be the hard part.
So you're saying all of this discussion about women making less money, which you posted btw, is bull?
I'm not posting in this thread anymore... put it in the original thread or don't post it at all.
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So you're saying all of this discussion about women making less money, which you posted btw, is bull?
I'm not posting in this thread anymore... put it in the original thread or don't post it at all.
lol. Who the heck are you? lol. I'll post whatever the heck I want, so long as I comply with the girlie board rules. :)
In any event, Fortune 500 companies with the highest percentage of females in uppers management perform better:
The Bottom Line: Connecting Corporate Performance and Gender Diversity
Research Reports
Published: January 2004
The business case for gender diversity asserts that organizations that develop and advance women will benefit for a number of reasons. Specifically, they will access a large part of the available talent pool, as well as employ individuals who reflect a substantial part of their consumer base. This study, the first in the Business Case series, sets out to determine whether there is a link between gender diversity and corporate financial performance.
Impetus: Although research has been conducted in this area, no firm link has been established between gender diversity on top leadership teams and financial performance.
Methodology:
A list of all companies that appeared in the Fortune 500 from 1996 to 2000 was compiled (with adjustments for name changes and merger and acquisitions activity). This list was narrowed to include only those companies for which there existed at least four years of data on financial performance (return on equity and total return to shareholders), as well as the gender diversity of the top management team. The final sample included 353 companies.
Those 353 companies were divided into quartiles—with roughly equal numbers of companies in each quartile—based on women’s representation within the top management team.
The financial performance of top- and bottom-quartile companies was compared.
The 353 companies were divided into 11 industry sectors, which allowed us to compare the financial performance of top- and bottom-quartile companies by industry. Of the 11 industries in this study, there was enough data (enough companies in a particular industry) to conduct analysis within five industries—consumer discretionary, consumer staples, financial, industrials, and information technology/telecommunications services.
Findings: Companies with the highest representation of women on their top management teams experienced better financial performance than companies with the lowest women’s representation. This finding holds for both financial measures analyzed: Return on Equity (ROE), which is 35 percent higher, and Total Return to Shareholders (TRS), which is 34 percent higher. In each of the five industries analyzed, the companies with the highest women’s representation on their top management teams experienced a higher ROE than the companies with the lowest women’s representation. In four out of five industries, the companies with the highest women’s representation on their top management teams experienced a higher TRS than the companies with the lowest women’s representation.
Sponsor: BMO Financial Group
http://www.catalyst.org/publication/82/the-bottom-line-connecting-corporate-performance-and-gender-diversity
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According to this study, increased females in upper management improves the company's performance:
Does Female Representation in Top Management Improve Firm Performance? A Panel Data Investigation
Cristian L. Dezso
University of Maryland - R.H. Smith School of Business
David Gaddis Ross
Columbia University - Columbia Business School
Robert H. Smith School Research Paper No. RHS 06-104
Abstract:
We argue that female representation in top management brings informational and social diversity benefits to the top management team, enriches the behaviors exhibited by managers throughout the firm, and motivates women in middle management. The result should be improved managerial task performance and thus better firm performance. We test our theory using 15 years of panel data on the top management teams of the S&P 1,500 firms. We find that female representation in top management improves firm performance but only to the extent that a firm’s strategy is focused on innovation, in which context the informational and social benefits of gender diversity and the behaviors associated with women in management are likely to be especially important for managerial task performance.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1088182
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lol. Who the heck are you? lol. I'll post whatever the heck I want, so long as I comply with the girlie board rules. :)
Last post for real... You are simply taking readers away from your own board that you mod... in threads that you should simply have linked to.
You are doing a disservice to the board you are supposed to be an advocate for... It's pretty simple.
Instead of sending viewers to the Politics board... You came over here... About a thread I had all but forgotten about.
I also notice you only quoted me... Not others who commented.
I own your mind... you don't have to admit it... everyone can tell.
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Last post for real... You are simply taking readers away from your own board that you mod... in threads that you should simply have linked to.
You are doing a disservice to the board you are supposed to be an advocate for... It's pretty simple.
Instead of sending viewers to the Politics board... You came over here... About a thread I had all but forgotten about.
I also notice you only quoted me... Not others who commented.
I own your mind... you don't have to admit it... everyone can tell.
It's much simpler than that. I wanted some female input on the topic we discussed. I want to see if my world view is narrower than I thought (which I doubt). Perhaps a number of women agree with you.
I decided not to split and move the topic on the Politics Board, because I thought it should stay there too.
No one else really had much to say about the subject, but if you want to add their comments, you can cut and paste like I did. Not hard to do.
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If you need to be a bitch to get stuff done, then be a bitch and get stuff done... No one ever says a guy can't be a caring loving father and not get pissy... It's another excuse.
Your old boss is an exception... not the rule... Good for her.
LMFAO, WHAT?...does me working for a woman make me a bitch? hahahah
my boss now to i guess ::)...CFO is a pretty lofty position my boy...
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LMFAO, WHAT?...does me working for a woman make me a bitch? hahahah
my boss now to i guess ::)...CFO is a pretty lofty position my boy...
Tony... I certainly wasn't talking about you... I meant if she... Your CFO needed to act like a bitch to get shit done... then she needs to act like a bitch.
Why did you think it was at all about you? You can post it to me in the other thread... I'm out of this one... I didn't mean to respond in this thread, but you misunderstood my statement completely, so I thought I would clarify.
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Tony... I certainly wasn't talking about you... I meant if she... Your CFO needed to act like a bitch to get shit done... then she needs to act like a bitch.
Why did you think it was at all about you? You can post it to me in the other thread... I'm out of this one... I didn't mean to respond in this thread, but you misunderstood my statement completely, so I thought I would clarify.
well one b/c you said "you" and two bc i never said anything about my boss acting like a bitch...
at any rate like youve already said your opinion is based off of personal experience so if I were you I would try to look outside of your own experiences.
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What is telling is the lack of leadership and degrees amongst men, while the drop out rates increase, slackerism increases, effeminate behavior increases, MMA membership increases (trying to find maleness), the neutered male role model has become popular.
Very telling, it seems that there is a concerted effert to put males in their place, and uplift women, at the cost of "maleness". Certain male qualities are looked at as bad....
It is great that women are earning degrees far more than before, my female family members are among them, but from what i have observed, many do it because of ego---to prove something, not to themselves, but to men...
And the "bitch" card---odd how a woman has to overcompensate to seem worthy, and what happens, is what is stated, they have a hard time balancing that aggressive, assertive side with the caring feminine side---which is detremental at home with their spouses...
I forgot the name of the study, but it came out last yr, that even though women are making more and earning more degrees, they feel very unhappy and unfulfilled.
Truth of the matter is, balance has not been sought, a woman can have the world, she just has to go out and get it....but, when she has it, it is up to her, what type of world she wants to make it, the problem is, so many spend so much time to obtain it, that when they get it, they don't know what to do with it...which is, "to enjoy it".
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The Wage Gap Persists
The wage gap between sexes still plagues the American workforce. In 2007, the Center for
American Progress (CAP) found that women earn 78 cents on a dollar for every dollar a man
earns in a year.28 The gender wage gap has extreme costs for women over the course of their
careers. CAP found that the average female worker loses approximately $434,000 in wages over
a 40-year period as a direct result of pay inequities.29 Out of 23 Organization for Economic Co-
operation and Development (OECD) countries, the United States has the seventh largest gender
earnings gap. The gender wage gap in the United States is 21.6%, well above the OECD average
of 18.5%.30
In 2009, women’s median weekly earnings were only 80.2% of men’s median weekly earnings.
For most women of color, the earnings gap was even larger:31
African American women earned 71 cents for every dollar earned by men in 2009.32
Hispanic and Latina women earned just 62 cents for every dollar men earned.33
Only Asian American women’s earnings were closer to parity with men’s: in 2009, they
earned 95 cents for every dollar earned by men. However, they earned 81.8% as much as
Asian American men.34
The wage gap is also more pronounced for older women: in 2009, women over 25 earned 78.7%
that of men in the same age group while women aged 1624 earned 92.6% as much as their male
peers.35
The support and opportunity for women to pursue careers in fields like science, technology,
engineering and mathematics is important for working towards pay equity. In science and
engineering, for example, women are still paid less than men but tend to earn more than similarly
educated women in other sectors of the workforce. The average starting salary for someone with
a bachelor’s degree in mechanical engineering, for example, was just over $59,000. By
comparison, the average starting salary for an individual with a bachelor’s degree in economics
was just under $50,000.36
Equal pay, however, remains a problem in every occupational category, even in occupations
where women considerably outnumber men. In 2009, certain professions showed a significant
gap:37
Women in professional and related occupations earned over 26% less than their male
counterparts, while women in sales and office occupations earned 20% less than similarly
employed men.
Female elementary and middle school teachers earned over 14% less than similarly
employed men, despite comprising almost 82% of the field.38
Female registered nurses earned more than 5% less than their male colleagues, although
over 90% of nurses are women.39
Female physicians and surgeons earned a whopping 36% less than their male
counterparts.
Female college and university teachers earned over 15% less than those who were male.
Female lawyers earned 25% less than male lawyers.
Women also earn less at every level of education. For full-time workers aged 25 and older in
2007:
The median annual earnings of a female high school graduate was 26% less than that of
her male counterpart.
The median annual earnings of a woman with a bachelor’s degree was almost 25% (or on
average $16,058) less than that of a similarly qualified man.
Women are more likely to complete graduate education. A woman with a master’s
degree earned 25% (or on average $19,250) less than a man with a master’s degree.
The median annual earnings for a woman with a professional degree was $65,912 while
men earned over $90,000.
A woman with a doctoral degree earned more than 22% (or on average $18,054) less than
a similarly qualified man.40
According to a recent report by the American Association of University Women, women
who attended highly selective colleges earn less than men from either highly or
moderately selective colleges and about the same as men from minimally selective
colleges.
Men and women remain segregated by college major, with women making up 79% of
education majors and men making up 82% of engineering majors. This segregation is
found in the workplace as well, where women make up 74% of the education field and
men make up 84% of the engineering and architecture fields.41
According to a study by the Center for American Progress, women at all educational
levels suffer long term affects from the wage gap. Women with less than a high school
diploma will earn on average $270,000 less over a 40 year time period than their male
counterparts. The differences are even larger as educational attainment grows. Women
with a high school degree will earn, on average, $392,000 less, women with some college
will earn $452,000 less, and women with a bachelor’s degree or higher will earn
$713,000 less than their male counterparts over a 40-year period.42
Because women are paid less when they work, they receive smaller Social Security benefits
when they retire:
Women represent 57% of all Social Security beneficiaries age 62 and older and
approximately 69% of beneficiaries age 85 and older.43
In 2006, the average Social Security income received by women 65 years and older was
$10,685, compared with $14,055 for men.44
In 2007, 47% of unmarried women receiving Social Security benefits relied on Social
Security for 90% or more of their income.45
In 2006, the average Social Security retirement benefit was 25.5% smaller for women
than men. Sixty-eight point seven percent of women receive a monthly benefit of under
$1,000 while 70% of men receive more than $1,000 per month.46
In 2007, for unmarried women age 65 and older, Social Security comprised 48% of their
total income. In contrast, Social Security benefits comprised only 37% of unmarried
elderly men’s income and only 30% of elderly couples’ income.47
In 2006, only 29.2% of women 65 and older received any form of pension or annuity
income and the median amount was $6,420. For men, 43.8% received pensions or
annuity income and the median amount was $12,000.48
The American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) estimates that unmarried women
receive approximately $8,000 less in annual retirement income than their male
counterparts. Two-thirds of this disparity is directly attributable to the wage gap and
employment segregation.50
Participation in employer-sponsored retirement plans is increasing for women in today’s
workforce. In 2007, 52.6% of women employed full-time participated in an employer-
sponsored plan compared to 51.6% of men. Women generally receive lower pensibenefits due to their relatively lower earnings.49
All explained by the choices women make, not by any inherent bias in pay towards women; if women really did 'inherently' get less, companies would be firing men left and right to pay women less because it would be more profitable for them to do so.
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Are women just as capable as men in business and politics?
From a discussion on the Politics board.
Interested in what some of the women think about this?
I think some are just as capable and some are more capable ... depending on the woman .. I think having a female President is not a grand idea due to how some other parts of the world perceive women .. it's a hard enough position without having to deal with misogynist peers / adversaries
In some family business' I've seen women be held back from leadership roles in order to give the positions to up and coming males .. I think "old-fashioned " ideas of how women are not cut out for it and that men need to be the bread winners and bosses are still very active and alive .. that is something that hinders some women from showing their worth and aptitude
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Butterbean... Are you saying that women's hormones make them a bit "unhinged"?
I'm saying mine do ;D
I agree that the commit crimes for "Their man"... That's being a follower and not a leader.
Probably not many of these types are going to be CEOs. But obviously, not all women (or men) have the same character/personalities.
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Give tu_holmes a break. He was butt raped in divorce court by his ex-wife. I feel your pain, tu_holmes! I mean it! :'(
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"You know what? I am actually not that much into voting. I think it's kind of crazy that a woman is running because I think that women deal with a lot of emotions and menopause and PMS and stuff. Like, I'm so moody all the time, I know I couldn't be able to run a country, because I would be crying one day and yelling at people the next day, you know?" - Brooke Hogan
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http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/Brooke+Hogan-54302.html
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"You know what? I am actually not that much into voting. I think it's kind of crazy that a woman is running because I think that women deal with a lot of emotions and menopause and PMS and stuff. Like, I'm so moody all the time, I know I couldn't be able to run a country, because I would be crying one day and yelling at people the next day, you know?" - Brooke Hogan
quel surprise !! .. I'm over the moon that I don't have to think about her or her ilk running for public office
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Give tu_holmes a break. He was butt raped in divorce court by his ex-wife. I feel your pain, tu_holmes! I mean it! :'(
Ah so. That explains his irrational views on women. :-\
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Ah so. That explains his irrational views on women. :-\
It ain't funny Beach Bum. It happens to a lot of men. :(
BTW, I have no problems with a woman being USA's president, but so far I've been disappointed with women in US politics: Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin, Jan Brewerm, Christine O'Donnell, Michele Bachmann, Nancy Pelosi, etc.
They all have given me the impression that they are either lying hags, or ignorant, uneducated dumb witches.
The only woman in US politics who has so far not given me that impression is Condoleezza Rice. She seems to me like she would make a good US president.
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It ain't funny Beach Bum. It happens to a lot of men. :(
BTW, I have no problems with a woman being president, but so far I've been disappointed with women in US politics: Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin, Jan Brewerm, Christine O'Donnell, Nancy Pelosi, etc.
They all have given me the impression that they are either lying hags, or ignorant, uneducated dumb witches.
The only woman in US politics who has so far not given me that impression is Condoleezza Rice. She seems to me like she would make a good US president.
I wasn't laughing. I know some men get screwed by their ex-wives.
Hillary has actually done o.k. as Secretary of State. Not great, but o.k. Palin was a terrific governor, till she quit. Brewer is a good governor. Was O'Donnell even in politics? Pelosi sucks.
I like Rice. I could give you examples of numerous others.
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"You know what? I am actually not that much into voting. I think it's kind of crazy that a woman is running because I think that women deal with a lot of emotions and menopause and PMS and stuff. Like, I'm so moody all the time, I know I couldn't be able to run a country, because I would be crying one day and yelling at people the next day, you know?" - Brooke Hogan
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http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/Brooke+Hogan-54302.html
ppl must understand that alot of this is b/c of our culture and how it not only allows this but encourages it.
Women have the ability to be just as emotionally cold and distant as men do, Im sure Tu would agree on that.
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Nice. :)
Two female acquisition officers to get second star
September 1, 2011
By Kris Osborn, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics and Technology Public Affairs
WASHINGTON (Army News Service, Sept. 1, 2011) -- Two female Army acquisition officers have been tapped for promotion to the rank of major general.
"The fact that they are accomplished in their respective fields is the key point. They just happen to be women Soldiers," said Heidi Shyu, acting assistant secretary of the Army for acquisition, logistics and technology. "Both of them have done tremendously well in their careers. Talking to both of them, you realize their dedication and their focus on doing the right thing for Soldiers."
Brig. Gen. Camille M. Nichols, Program Executive Officer-Soldier, and Brig. Gen. N. Lee S. Price, Program Executive Officer-Command, Control and Communications-Tactical, were nominated in June for promotion by Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta.
Both Shyu and Lt. Gen. Bill Phillips, the military deputy to the assistant secretary of the Army for acquisition, logistics and technology, praised the individual merits of Nichols and Price, while also pointing out that, not too long ago, there were not as many women general officers in the Army ranks.
"What's important to know is they didn't get a lower bar to jump over. They met the same bar and they have succeeded in their careers as a result of it," said Shyu, who pointed out that there were not as many female leaders when she began her own career.
In fact, in 1990 there were only four female generals in the entire Army. Last year, there were 44. Today, there are six female major generals on active duty in the Army, two lieutenant generals and one general. The National Guard has two female two-stars and the Army Reserve has one female two-star.
Nichols has embodied values of Army excellence throughout numerous leadership positions during her career. A graduate of West Point in 1981, Nichols has more than 20 years of experience in Department of Defense acquisition.
"I enlisted in the Army to 'be all that I could be', and I have been both blessed and amazed by the institution's ability to see potential in me and provide me the opportunity to work with and for such great people," Nichols said. "I am honored and humbled to be in this position and am committed to serve our Army and work tirelessly to honor the memory of those who have sacrificed so much for our country."
As the PEO Soldier, Nichols has been immersed in a range of key developmental programs such as the Improved Carbine competition, Individual Gunshot Detection, body armor technologies and ongoing efforts to lighten the load Soldiers carry in theater.
Price said effective leaders are ones who inspire individuals to excel as a team member.
"For me, it has always been about the team," Price said. "I truly believe that if you take care of people, then the people will take care of the mission. The mission comes first and it is the number one thing that we are judged by. But it takes people -- the Army is people."
Price has spent 36 years in the Army, and is the only female selected for the rank of general officer while serving the special operations community.
As the PEO C3T, Price has been managing the acquisition and development of a host of key communications programs and emerging technologies. Her office was heavily involved in successfully integrating technologies for the recent network integration exercise this past July, where six programs were placed under formal test and as many as 29 emerging technologies were evaluated from a system-of-systems perspective.
http://www.army.mil/article/64811/Two_female_acquisition_officers_to_get_second_star/
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Women are happier in the kitchen because they belong there.
Men who argue against this are the types in college classes who take the "feminist" side of any debate, in an effort to "get in good" with the girls. It works to a point; the girls all love these guys...as a brother and friend. Then, after class, they let their alpha boyfriends have their way with them while these poor schmucks return to their dorm rooms alone.
Hope this helps.
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Women are happier in the kitchen because they belong there.
Men who argue against this are the types in college classes who take the "feminist" side of any debate, in an effort to "get in good" with the girls. It works to a point; the girls all love these guys...as a brother and friend. Then, after class, they let their alpha boyfriends have their way with them while these poor schmucks return to their dorm rooms alone.
Hope this helps.
LOL it doesnt but whatever, go be an "alpha" andy
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Women are happier in the kitchen because they belong there.
Men who argue against this are the types in college classes who take the "feminist" side of any debate, in an effort to "get in good" with the girls. It works to a point; the girls all love these guys...as a brother and friend. Then, after class, they let their alpha boyfriends have their way with them while these poor schmucks return to their dorm rooms alone.
Hope this helps.
Much more truth than fiction here.
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Much more truth than fiction here.
do you agree that women have the ability to be just as cold and calculating as men tu?
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do you agree that women have the ability to be just as cold and calculating as men tu?
I think they like to feign that... But overall, no.
Women more often than not, do things based on emotion... not rational thought.
To be cold and calculating requires putting your emotions at bay and using rational thought to achieve your goals. Are there women who can do that? Sure... but 9 out of 10 women can not.
Their emotions always come through.
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Don't know
Obviously I'll need to reread this entire thread in order to respond coherently. Which I will do.
I'm British but lived in Canada in the early 80s so I missed Maggie Thatcher British Prime Minister...
She's had dreadful press but I'm not sure. We still had silly off-shore wars then (the Falklands) but...
It turns out she was in fact rather good as a PM (Conservative and nouveau Capitalist ((there are theories that she had the left brain of a bloke but that's a joke?
Dunno
I doubt a female bus driver or aeroplane pilot is any the less capable than a male one but I've never been a feminist. Men are better at most things as they're more logical and physical.
Does anyone really believe that if women had regularly or often held Presidential or Prime Ministerial executive positions in politics or in the military and/or in the financial world there would have been no wars and no recessions?
That's what they say, they say women would emote more and emanate and empathasise more, but I'm not sure
xL
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My bestest oldest girlfriend has a teenage child approaching 18. I didn't have children, phew.
This young child/woman aspires to be famous for absolutely nothing whatsoever, either that or to be a WAG (a footballer or popsingers girlfriend or wife or baby mother).
I've never been able to have a proper conversation with this girl, other than once when she was 14 and threatening to lose her virginity: I told her how precious and wonderful it is to save it and cherish a wonderful memory and do it properly when you're ready and have planned it, found a beautiful man, sorted birth control and you're about 15 or 16.
Not sure if she's yet popped her cherry, or how she decided to go about it, that was the only serious chat I ever had with that spoilt brat.
This young woman has had a privileged upbringing, private schools at £3,000 per term, everything she's ever wanted, spoilt rotten and she's completely daft. Totally incapable if you ask me.
I lately told her how we burned our bras in the 60s (obviously I was lying, I'm not that old) and that the sufferagettes chained themselves to the railings at Parliament for the vote years before that, but she hasn't got a clue what I'm on about, she wants to be in a girlie band or marry a footballer and have his ugly kids. She wants a boob job, that's what she thinks is aspirational. I blame the parents.
Joke.
Female children nowadays have been sexualised and sold out. They've no idea what they ought do. They want hair extensions and fake tans. No hope for this next generation, they all want to be famous whatshername with the fake tits...
xL
My generation strove for equality and almost achieved it in the 80's and 90s yet we must now sit back and quiver in our boots watching this shit-brained new lot further wreck men's egos?
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I work in a male dominated career field that only in the last 20 yrs has really opened up to females. I've had 4 female bosses over the years. 2 were great, 1 was horrible and 1 was just below average. My career field butts up against another that is majority female. I was surprised to hear many different times that the women preferred males bosses over female bosses because of less drama, more fair workplace treatment, and consistency.
On a side note, at one time my shift that I supervised held the department record for the most females at one time. 5 of the 10 officers I had working for me were female. It surprised many officers that my shift led the other 2 evening shifts in the same district/sector in felony and DWI arrests as well as activity in several other areas. I can also say there was no more drama than any other shift I had worked with.
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Also, from a story I posted a while back:
Women leading men in CEO pay
16 top females had salaries 43% higher than male average
By Alexis Leondis
Bloomberg News Service
Chief executive officers' pay is shattering the glass ceiling.
Boosted by a $47.2 million package for Carol Bartz of Yahoo! Inc. and $26.3 million for Irene Rosenfeld of Kraft Foods Inc., compensation for female CEOs at the biggest U.S. companies is booming.
Sixteen women heading companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index averaged earnings of $14.2 million in their latest fiscal years, 43 percent more than the male average, according to data compiled by Bloomberg News from proxy filings. The women who were also CEOs in 2008 got a 19 percent raise in 2009 — while the men took a 5 percent cut.
"When you see numbers like this, one can truly say that the glass ceiling in corporate America has been shattered," said Frank Glassner, CEO of San Francisco-based Veritas Executive Compensation Consultants LLC. "I don't remember seeing women ever getting paid more than men."
Graef Crystal, a pay expert who analyzed the data for Bloomberg News, said that "compensation committees are saying we don't want to have any trouble" over underpaying women, "so if we err, let's err on the side of giving them too much."
Darwinian competition is also playing a role, said Sheila Wellington, a professor of management and organizations at New York University who studies women business leaders.
"These are the strongest, fittest and toughest who survive," according to Wellington, who said she was offered half the salary of male peers for her first job at a mental health facility in 1968. "They've had to negotiate all the way up the ladder."
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100514/BUSINESS18/5140323/Women+leading+men+in+CEO+pay
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=330793.0
http://postcards.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2011/09/08/carol-bartz-fired-yahoo/?iid=Popular
Carol Bartz exclusive: Yahoo "f---ed me over"
FORTUNE -- Here is what Carol Bartz thinks of the Yahoo (YHOO) board that fired her: "These people fucked me over," she says, in her first interview since her dismissal from the CEO role late Tuesday.
Last evening, barely 24 hours after Yahoo chairman Roy Bostock called Bartz on her cell phone to tell her the news, she called from her Silicon Valley home ("There are reporters at the gate… a lot of them.") to tell Fortune, exclusively, how the ax came down.
On Tuesday, Bartz was in New York, to speak at Citigroup's (C) technology conference the next day, when she was supposed to call Bostock at 6 p.m. "I called him at 6:06," she recalls. When he got on the line, she says, he started reading a lawyer's prepared statement to dismiss her.
"I said, 'Roy, I think that's a script,'" adding, "'Why don't you have the balls to tell me yourself?'"
When Bostock finished reading, Bartz didn't argue—"I got it. I got it," she told the Yahoo chairman. "I thought you were classier," she added.
Recruited in January 2009 after successfully building Autodesk (ADSK), Bartz never was the turnaround chief that the Yahoo board had wanted. Though she slashed costs and improved profit margins, she failed to improve revenue growth at a critical time when Yahoo has lost eyeballs and ad dollars to Google (GOOG) and Facebook. "They want revenue growth," says Bartz about the Yahoo board, "even though they were told that we would not have revenue growth until 2012."
As Bartz sees it, Yahoo's search partnership with Microsoft (MSFT)—a deal she negotiated two years ago to offload costs—has Yahoo paying Microsoft 12% of its search revenue and limits current growth but will help the company long-term. She attributes the directors' impatience to the criticism they faced when they turned down a lucrative deal to sell Yahoo to Microsoft in 2007, before she arrived. "The board was so spooked by being cast as the worst board in the country," Bartz says. "Now they're trying to show that they're not the doofuses that they are." (Bostock, who is vice chairman of Delta Air Lines (DAL) and on Morgan Stanley's (MS) board as well as Yahoo's, declined to comment.)
After Tuesday's call from Bostock, Bartz says, she had two hours to let Yahoo know whether she would resign or allow the board to fire her. She called her husband, Bill, her three children--a son and two daughters—and her longtime assistant, Judy Flores. Learning that Yahoo's lawyers had gone to the St. Regis hotel to hand her papers, she ditched that hotel and booked herself into another. "Am I stupid?!" she asks, making clear that she took her career crisis into her own hands.
It was that evening when she pulled out her iPad and wrote an email to Yahoo's 14,000 employees:
To all, I am very sad to tell you that I've just been fired over the phone by Yahoo's Chairman of the Board. It has been my pleasure to work with all of you and I wish you only the best going forward.
Carol
What does Bartz think of her successor, Tim Morse? "He's a great guy," she says. Morse was chief financial officer under Bartz, and now he is interim chief of a company whose stock has risen 6% since he replaced her. Asked whom she thinks the board might appoint long-term, she replies, "They should bring me in. I knew what to do."
Sometimes it's difficult to know when Bartz is being serious. As I prod her to tell me what she might do next, I mention her age, 63—"fuck you, yeah," she replies. And when I ask her if she's on any other public company boards besides Cisco (CSCO), where she is lead independent director, she says, "I'm on Yahoo's board." She tells me that she plans to remain a Yahoo director—which might be unlikely since she has now called her fellow directors "doofuses."
"I want to make sure that the employees don't believe that I've abandoned them. I would never abandon them," Bartz says. Besides, she adds, "I have way too many purple clothes."
She's referring to the color of Yahoo's logo. "I wish the Yahoo people the best," she adds, "because it's a fantastic franchise."
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Well, I guess she's not only delusional, but also retarded... Sure the board is going to bring her right back in.
Where is Beach Bum through all of this?
He's been on Carol's nuts for awhile now, but as I showed him prior to all of this, Carol Bartz has done nothing.
(PS... I would have left this thread alone, but it got bumped, so... eh... why not.)
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Cool story from our local paper:
Yes, Chief Master Sergeant!
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After 20 years in Hawaii with the Air National Guard, Chief Master Sgt. Denise Jelinski-Hall is at the Pentagon , serving as Senior Enlisted Leader for the National Guard. She’ll be back in Honolulu Sept. 20 to speak at the annual Hawaii’s International Women’s Leadership Conference
Christina O'Connor
Wednesday - September 14, 2011
By Christina O’Connor
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At a White House party with husband Gary Hall and daughter Ashley. Photos from Gary Hall and Denise Jelinski-Hall
Chief Master Sgt. Denise Jelinski-Hall returns to Hawaii next week to speak at the International Women’s Leadership Conference
In the early 1980s, a twenty-something Denise Jelinski-Hall was staring down the perennial question of all twenty-somethings: What am I going to do with the rest of my life?
Jelinski-Hall had been working at a bank in her hometown of Little Falls, Minn., for the last five years. And while she liked the job, it didn’t take her long to realize that there was no opportunity for advancement. She had known a woman through the bank who was in the Army National Guard, and the two had become friends over the years. One day, this woman came into the bank, and she said, “Denise, you gotta join the Air Force and get out of here.”
Jelinski-Hall had never thought about enlisting, but the two drove to the next city to check out an active duty site. There, JelinskiHall talked to a recruiter and was immediately sold on the idea.
“I thought about it and decided it would be a great opportunity to serve my country, have educational benefits and do some traveling,” Jelinski-Hall recalls. “It all sounded really good ... and I listened to my instincts. Six weeks later I was off to basic training. I sold my car, I sold my furniture, and off I went.”
That question of what she would do with the rest of her life would end up having an increasingly impressive answer. Now, about 25 years after she set off for basic training, that young woman has become a high-ranking enlisted person in a notoriously maledominated field. She established herself as a standout leader early on. Then, while stationed on Oahu for 20 years, Jelinski-Hall climbed the ranks in a variety of organizations.
In November of 2009, she was named the Senior Enlisted Leader for the National Guard Bureau. In this position, Chief Master Sgt. Jelinski-Hall is responsible for advising the Chief of the National Guard Bureau on all professional matters affecting enlisted National Guard Soldiers and Airmen, including training, enlisted development, proper utilization and health of the force.
And next week, JelinskiHall returns to Hawaii which she still calls home as one of the speakers at the International Women’s Leadership Conference Sept. 20 at Sheraton Waikiki Hotel and Resort. This year’s theme is “Growing Our Future: Investing In Women.” The conference began in 2003 after Gov. Linda Lingle and senior adviser Lenny Klompus attended a similar event in Japan.
“When we walked out of the event, we thought how wonderful it would be if the women of Hawaii would be able to hear these women,” Klompus recalls. “I was inspired what they had to overcome to get to their particular positions.”
Jelinski-Hall is living proof that there are no predetermining factors for success that what you put in is what you’ll get out. And what she put in has been hard, unwavering work. And lots of it.
Little Falls, Minn., Jelinski-Hall’s childhood stomping ground, is a small rural farming community right in the middle of the state. She grew up on a farm with her parents and five siblings. It was there that Jelinski-Hall cultivated a commitment to hard work.
“My parents taught us a very strong work ethic,” she says. “Growing up on a farm, you learn how to work ... I credit my father particularly; he really taught us a strong work ethic and perseverance and to give an honest day’s work.”
But while her upbringing was conducive to rich values, her educational background was modest. “I didn’t have a real strong educational background,” she says. “I went to a schoolhouse much like Little House on the Prairie ... It was a oneroom schoolhouse in the middle of the country, and we had one teacher who taught all the subjects for all the grades.”
Trading in banking for basic training, Jelinski-Hall began her dynamic rise to the top. Almost immediately, she was pinpointed as a leader in basic training her drill instructor named her the unit’s dorm chief. That means, whenever the instructor was away, JelinskiHall was responsible at the dorm.
After basic training, Jelinski-Hall was stationed at Keesler Air Force Base in Mississippi, where she went through Air Traffic Control school. While she excelled in her studies, she says that her achievements were certainly the product of determination and selfdiscipline. “I enjoyed it ... but for me it was difficult,” she says. “I had to really apply myself and study hard. Many, many nights I was the one at 3:30 in the morning under my blanket with a flashlight studying. When weekends came I stayed on base and continued to study. I was driven to do the best I could, so I did what I needed to do to succeed.”
From there, Jelinski-Hall was stationed at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska, where she met her husband, Gary Hall, who was then on active duty in the Marine Corps. To ensure that they could be stationed together, Jelinski-Hall went from active duty to the Air National Guard. She worked for three years as a ground radio operator with the California Air National Guard. In 1990, Gary received orders to Hawaii, and the couple, along with their young daughter Ashley, moved to Aiea.
“It was a good assignment for him, and it was great for me because they had Air Traffic Control at Barber’s Point. I was very excited about getting reconnected with ATC,” she says about the move to the Islands. She spent the next 12 years at Air Traffic Control Flight. From there, another slew of accomplishments followed she went through combat airspace management courses, worked as the combat airspace manager assigned to the HQ 201st Combat Communications Group, Hickam AFB, served as the command chief master sergeant for the 154th Wing, Hawaii Air National Guard and then as the command chief master sergeant for the Hawaii Air National Guard, as well as the senior enlisted leader for the Hawaii National Guard, meaning that she served as an adviser for both the Air National Guard and the Army National Guard.
“It was an honor and a privilege and very rewarding to work with our enlisted airmen. My goals were to try to better programs, policy and affect change. I was determined to help elevate the enlisted corps ... (and to) raise the bar to a higher standard,” Jelinski-Hall says of her work as command chief.
Along the way, JelinskiHall also deployed to various locations, including Korea and Japan, for exercises. And in early 2007, she had what she remembers as one of the pinnacles of her career: She deployed to Qatar to conduct combat airspace management. She was responsible for designing the airspace for fighters, reconnaissance, intelligence, helicopter traffic and all types of air traffic conducting missions.
Although Jelinski-Hall hopes that her story can show that anybody can achieve success regardless of their background, she says that being a woman has little to do with that.
“That I am a female, it’s never been about that for me ... It’s about being the airman and continually striving to be the best airman you can be, whether you are male or female.”
However, she acknowledges that, “When you look at the numbers, at the demographics and the leadership around the table, you can clearly see that females are underrepresented.”
Despite gender gaps, Jelinski-Hall has treated this fact as a source of motivation rather than hindrance.
“Females should not view the situation as a negative, but as another chance to grow and move forward. Is it a challenge, yes. Will it require hard work and a determined effort? Most certainly.”
Jelinski-Hall admits that all that hard work and determined effort has come at a price, and that oftentimes she cannot balance her work and family life as much as she’d like.
“You have to know that you are not going to be able to keep that balance as much as you want to,” she says. “You are on the road a lot. So what are you giving up? You are giving up a lot of family time, there’s no doubt about it.”
Nonetheless, Jelinski-Hall says that she wouldn’t have it any other way. Now serving at the Pentagon, with her proud, supportive husband and her equally proud and supportive daughter alongside, Jelinski-Hall seems to have done it all.
“I have just never let it become part of the equation, the fact that I was female. I worked hard. I did the best job I could possibly do ... I let my record speak for itself.”
At the IWLC, JelinskiHall takes the stage with a number of other women who are noted in fields ranging from business to nonprofits to politics. Speakers include Elim Chew, founder and president of the largest retail chain in Singapore; Julie Gilbert, the founder and CEO of a consulting company who also is credited with doubling Best Buy’s sales during her time as the company’s senior vice president; and Lesley Jane Seymour, editor in chief of More magazine.
Registration for the conference closes Sept. 18, and organizers recommend that you sign up as soon as possible, as walk-up registration will not be permitted. Breakfast and registration start at 7:30 a.m., and the event runs until 5:30 p.m. Tickets are $195. Log on to iwlchi.org to register or for more information.
“I am excited to come back home and be involved with this conference,” Jelinski-Hall says.
She is mainly looking forward to the inspiration and motivation that it can provide to attendees.
“This conference touches high school girls, college women, business women military women and moms ... I think they really walk away with the belief that if they do the right thing, if they work hard, that they can achieve their goals. I think many of them will realize their full potential is beyond what they perceived it to be when the conference first began.”
http://www.midweek.com/content/story/midweek_coverstory/Chief_Master_Sgt._Denise_Jelinski-Hall/
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too long
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Pretty cool. (Migs you should skip this. Too much reading. :))
50 most powerful women in business:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/most-powerful-women/2011/full_list/
Highest paid:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/most-powerful-women/2011/highestpaid/
Youngest:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/most-powerful-women/2011/youngest/
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I say again: Margaret Thatcher.
But maybe you're not old enough to remember that British Prime Minister?
xxxLinda
in London England
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I say again: Margaret Thatcher.
But maybe you're not old enough to remember that British Prime Minister?
xxxLinda
in London England
Anytime I hear her name, this is the only thing I think of. :D
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I can't be clicking your u-tube link, I never click links.
Looks to me though as though it's some celeb crap or some such. No thanks.
You've asked whether women are as capable as men? Margaret Thatcher was the Conservative Prime Minister of Great Britain for many years. She was not much liked at the time, but has since been somewhat vindicated as we've all grown up and learned reality. She is now revered as one of our best politicians...
xL
Three women have just won the Nobel Peace Prize?
I don't to be honest care whether you're a male or a female, just be capable and truthfull please.
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Wal-Mart Names Brewer Sam's Club CEO
Written By Jennifer Booton
Published January 20, 2012
FOXBusiness
Wal-Mart (WMT: 61.01, +0.40, +0.66%) on Friday named Rosalind Brewer as chief executive of its Sam’s Club warehouse chain, replacing Brian Cornell, who will leave the company at the end of this month.
Brewer, 49, will become the first woman and African American to lead one of Wal-Mart’s three business units when she takes the reins at the start of the behemoth’s next fiscal year on Feb. 1.
She most recently ran Wal-Mart’s U.S. operations, where she was responsible for more than $100 billion in annual revenue, representing nearly 1,600 stores and more than 500,000 workers.
“Roz came to us with an outstanding background in consumer packaged goods more than five years ago,” Wal-Mart CEO Mike Duke said in a statement. “During that time I have seen her develop into a talented merchant and retailer.”
Brewer, who was the first chairperson of the Wal-Mart President’s Council of Global Women Leaders, previously worked for Kimberly-Clark (KMB: 73.83, -0.33, -0.44%). She is a Lockheed Martin (LMT: 82.78, -0.93, -1.11%) director and was selected one of the Most Powerful Women in Business by Fortune magazine in both 2010 and 2011.
Cornell, 52, told Wal-Mart that he planned to leave the company so that he and his wife could move back to the Northeast to be closer to their children.
Wal-Mart promoted two other women on Friday, including Gisel Ruiz, who will become the U.S. division’s new chief operating officer, and Karenann Terrell, who will become its chief information officer.
Rollin Ford, 49, previously the company’s chief information officer, will become chief administrative officer on Feb. 1.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2012/01/20/wal-mart-names-first-woman-ceo-to-sams-club/
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affirmative action at work. With their recent troubles about discrimination, this seems like appeasement. I smell something fishy.
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affirmative action at work. With their recent troubles about discrimination, this seems like appeasement. I smell something fishy.
Don't use logic when it comes to women in the work place... Beach hates that logic shit.
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oh yeah my bad.
go estrogen!
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I believe some women bring a different perspective to the business and political worlds, which is sometimes a good thing and other times not. Just like with men, it all depends on the person and not so much the gender of the person.
Lately, there have been a rash of women who have caught, charged and convicted of embezzlement. Seems like it used to more likely be men that did this. Just goes to show some women can be as corrupt and dishonest as some men can be.
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Lately, there have been a rash of women who have caught, charged and convicted of embezzlement. Seems like it used to more likely be men that did this. Just goes to show ALL women can be as corrupt and dishonest as some men can be.
fixed
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fixed
Guess you noticed that I rarely use absolutes when speaking about people. That's because despite what you think, there are always exceptions. So, rather than fixing my post, you broke it, IMO. But everyone to his own thinking. :)
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China sends first woman into space
By Ng Han Guan
Associated Press
JIUQUAN, China » China launched its most ambitious space mission yet on Saturday, carrying its first female astronaut and two male colleagues in an attempt to dock with an orbiting module and work on board for more than a week.
The Shenzhou 9 capsule lifted off as scheduled at 6:37 p.m. (1037 GMT) from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center on the edge of the Gobi Desert. All systems functioned normally and, just over 10 minutes later, it opened its solar panels and entered orbit.
The launch was declared a success by space program chief Chang Wanquan, a People's Liberation Army general who sits on the ruling Communist Party's powerful central military commission — underscoring the program's close military ties.
Female astronaut Liu Yang, 33, and two male crew members — mission commander and veteran astronaut Jing Haipeng, 45, and newcomer Liu Wang, 43 — are to dock the spacecraft with a prototype space lab launched last year in a key step toward building a permanent space station. All three are experienced pilots and officers in the Chinese air force.
Two of the astronauts will live and work inside the module to test its life-support systems while the third will remain in the capsule to deal with any unexpected emergencies.
China is hoping to join the United States and Russia as the only countries to send independently maintained space stations into orbit. It is already one of just three nations to have launched manned spacecraft on their own.
Another manned mission to the module is planned later this year, while possible future missions could include sending a man to the moon.
The space program is a source of enormous national pride for China, reflecting its rapid economic and technological progress and ambition to rank among the world's leading nations. The selection of the first female astronaut is giving the program an additional publicity boost.
On a state visit in Denmark, President Hu Jintao congratulated everyone connected with the mission.
"I urge you to carry forward the spirit ... and make new contributions to advance the development of our country's manned space mission," Hu said in a statement read to technicians at Jiuquan.
The astronauts are expected to reach the module, called Tiangong 1, on Monday. Now orbiting at 343 kilometers (213 miles) above Earth, the module is only a prototype, and plans call for it to be replaced by a larger permanent space station due for completion around 2020.
That station is to weigh about 60 tons, slightly smaller than NASA's Skylab of the 1970s and about one-sixth the size of the 16-nation International Space Station.
China has only limited cooperation in space with other nations and its exclusion from the ISS, largely on objections from the United States, was one of the key spurs for it to pursue an independent space program 20 years ago.
China first launched a man into space in 2003 followed by a two-man mission in 2005 and a three-man trip in 2008 that featured the country's first space walk.
In November 2011, the unmanned Shenzhou 8 successfully docked twice with Tiangong 1 by remote control.
Shenzhou 9 is to first dock with the module by remote control, then separate and dock again manually in order to fully test the reliability of the system. The astronauts are to conduct medical tests and various other experiments before returning to Earth after more than 10 days.
Associated Press writers Christopher Bodeen and Didi Tang in Beijing contributed to this report.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/159291835.html?id=159291835
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I didn't read any of the replies. I think a woman can be more heartless, and ruthless than any man when it comes to business.
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I didn't read any of the replies. I think a woman can be more heartless, and ruthless than any man when it comes to business.
And if they use ur sparkle bar ???
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And if they use ur sparkle bar ???
They get a pass. 8)
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they probably should have sling shotted her ass into orbit.
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Bachman would be a good president?
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Bachman would be a good president?
Probably.
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Probably.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Bachman would be a good president?
Of what?
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Of what?
the PTA
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Sally Ride, first U.S. woman in space, dies at 61
By Michael Winter, USA TODAY
Updated 13h 48m ago
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Sally Ride, the first American woman in space, has died of pancreatic cancer at age 61.
Update at 6:27 p.m. ET: NASA has released a statement of condolences on the death of Ride, calling her "a pioneer of a different sort."
Update at 5:49 p.m. ET: In a 2008 Q&A with Florida Today, Ride reflected on her historic ride aboard STS-7:
"It was pretty crazy. But the really good thing is that I was insulated from a lot of it. So I was aware of all the hoopla in the media. But I was much less aware than you might expect just because you know how those days and weeks before launch are. There is so much new information to cram in. People are coming at you every day with this little piece of information they forgot to tell you. And this procedure has changed just a little bit. ... The fact that I was in training and within NASA's kind of bubble made it easier for me to focus on the flight and it made it relatively easy for me to ignore what was going on at least pre-launch.
"You know all that disappeared post-launch, but pre-launch I was really able to focus a lot on the mission itself."
She also said she had developed "a more refined view of the danger of the shuttle" after the Challenger's destruction during its Jan. 28, 1986, launch because of the failure of the right solid-fuel rocket booster:
"I didn't, for example, think a lot about the solid rockets. I think that I considered the main engines the riskiest part of the shuttle, and I think that most people would share that view actually. But I think we've learned a lot about the solid rockets and I think we've learned a lot about what foam can do."
Update at 5:42 p.m. ET: In a 2006 interview with USA TODAY, Ride spoke about why girls don't pursue degrees in math and science, and what businesses should do to change that:
"I'd introduce her to the coolest female engineer in the company. Girls tend to have a stereotype of engineers being 65-year-old guys who wear lab coats and pocket protectors and look like Einstein. Try to make it personal to them and show them some of the cool things that they can do in engineering."
Update at 5:37 p.m. ET: Here's the full statement from Sally Ride Science, the San Diego company she developed to provide classroom materials, programs and professional help for K-12 teachers:
Sally Ride died peacefully July 23, 2012 after a courageous 17-month battle with pancreatic cancer. Sally lived her life to the fullest, with boundless energy, curiosity, intelligence, passion, commitment, and love. Her integrity was absolute; her spirit was immeasurable; her approach to life was fearless.
Sally was a physicist, the first American woman to fly in space, a science writer, and the President and CEO of Sally Ride Science. She had the rare ability to understand the essence of things and to inspire those around her to join her pursuits.
Sally's historic flight into space captured the nation's imagination and made her a household name. She became a symbol of the ability of women to break barriers and a hero to generations of adventurous young girls. After retiring from NASA, Sally used her high profile to champion a cause she believed in passionately—inspiring young people, especially girls, to stick with their interest in science, to become scientifically literate, and to consider pursuing careers in science and engineering.
In addition to Tam O'Shaughnessy, her partner of 27 years, Sally is survived by her mother, Joyce; her sister, Bear; her niece, Caitlin, and nephew, Whitney; her staff of 40 at Sally Ride Science; and many friends and colleagues around the country.
Update at 5:35 p.m. ET: "The nation has lost one of its finest leaders, teachers and explorers," said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden.
Update at 5:29 p.m. ET: After leaving NASA, Ride worked at the Stanford University Center for International Security and Arms Control, became a professor of physics at the University of California-San Diego and was director of the California Space Institute.
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Original post: Sally Ride, the first American woman in space, has died of cancer at age 61, her organization has announced.
On June 18, 1983, Ride was 32 when she launched aboard the space shuttle Challenger.
Ride, a physicist, helped develop the shuttle's robotic arm.
She was one of 8,000 people who responded to a newspaper advertisement seeking NASA applicants. She joined the space agency in 1978 and left in 1987.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/sally-ride-first-us-woman-in-space-dies-at-61/1#.UA7CtRy1Ohs
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I didn't read any of the replies. I think a woman can be more heartless, and ruthless than any man when it comes to business.
Beat me to it.
Corruption and greed can overtake anyone, no matter what's between their legs. ;)
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lolz
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Pretty impressive win for this young woman. If she wins the general, which is likely, I think she'll be the first woman with combat experience to serve in Congress.
2012 Election: Tulsi Gabbard bests Mufi Hannemann
August 12, 2012
By OSKAR GARCIA , The Associated Press
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HONOLULU - U.S. Rep. Mazie Hirono won the Democratic primary for the open Hawaii U.S. Senate seat Saturday night, setting up a race in November against former Gov. Linda Lingle, who won her primary easily.
Hirono bested former U.S. Rep. Ed Case to set up a rematch of sorts against Lingle, who beat Hirono 10 years ago to become Hawaii's chief executive, then went on to serve eight years.
In the race for the 2nd Congressional District, Tulsi Gabbard had a substantial lead over Mufi Hannemann in the Democratic primary as of 10 p.m. With 116 of 135 precincts reporting, Gabbard garnered 53.7 percent of the vote, or 56,751 votes to Hannemann's 34.2 percent and 36,105 votes.
In Maui County, Gabbard grabbed 51.2 percent, or 10,927 votes compared to Hannemann's 37.5 percent, or 8,003 votes.
Lingle had nearly 92 percent of the vote with 70 percent of precincts reporting. Republicans hope she can swing the solidly blue state their way in the party's quest to pick up four seats and win majority power in the U.S. Senate.
Lingle enters the general election as an underdog but having raised more funds thus far than Hirono and Case combined.
Hirono had nearly 58 percent of the vote with 70 percent of precincts reporting compared with 41 percent for Case. In Maui County, she got 127,408 votes or 56.6 percent. Case received 91,307 or 40.6 percent of the vote.
"It's hard not to get emotional, you guys," Hirono told supporters after Case conceded the race.
Despite a clear fundraising advantage, Hirono didn't treat her primary win like a foregone conclusion in the days leading up to the race. Case had positioned himself as more moderate than Hirono, saying her liberal politics would make things tough in the general election against Lingle.
Lingle said in an interview that the race now presents a clear choice - and Hirono doesn't understand that the race is about the people of Hawaii and their future.
"She wants to tie this race to President (Barack) Obama," Lingle said. "I'm not going to be a rubber stamp for anybody."
To her supporters, Hirono said Lingle represents Republicans coming closer to taking over the Senate, repealing Obama's health care overhaul and cutting taxes for the rich at the expense of working-class families.
"I say to Linda Lingle tonight - let's go," Hirono said.
The last time Hawaii had a Senate race without an incumbent was in 1976. Whoever wins the race to replace retiring Sen. Daniel Akaka will become the state's sixth senator.
Winning could be difficult for Lingle, given that Obama, who was born in Honolulu, is at the top of the ticket as he runs for re-election against Mitt Romney. But about one-third of voters in Hawaii are independents, ensuring Saturday's primary winners an interesting electorate.
Democrat Colleen Hanabusa, and GOP contender Charles Djou won their primaries for U.S. House in Hawaii's 1st Congressional District, covering urban Honolulu.
http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/563855/2012-Election--Tulsi-Gabbard-bests-Mufi-Hannemann.html?nav=5031