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Covid 19 - We are all screwed - discuss
« on: February 22, 2020, 08:14:59 AM »
This guy is famous for being the least alarmist and most conservative doc/expert around.he just said we are officially in a pandemic and to prepare. He is saying the mortality rate in Iran is way higher than the 2% the Chinese are reporting.20% apparently will be seriously ill from it. Our hospitals struggle with a busy Monday morning, can you imagine the riots that will be happening when 50-100x people want care/beds than the hospitals are able to provide? When they are literally turning away the dying by the thousands? Our infrastructure will collapse. Swine flu or influenza has a mortality rate of 0.02%, this has a mortality rate of over 2%, that's over ONE HUNDRED TIMES MORE DEADLY, and looks to spread just as easily. The fact this guy's friends in Iran are begging this guy to get the word out how serious this is, and how much deadlier it seems to be in Iran, raises the possibility it may have already mutated in to something more deadly.




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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2020, 08:25:22 AM »
He is in the category most likely to die from it. Naturally he'll be shitting himself.

The virus taking out a large chunk of the elderly population is tragic, but at the same time the harsh reality is that it's a necessity.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2020, 08:27:03 AM »
He is in the category most likely to die from it. Naturally he'll be shitting himself.

The virus taking out a large chunk of the elderly population is tragic, but at the same time the harsh truth is that it's a necessity.

Even if you are relatively safe, your parents/grandparents/young children won't be.And the knockdown effect on infrastructure and the panic could be like nothing we have seen in our lifetime.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2020, 08:31:09 AM »
He is in the category most likely to die from it. Naturally he'll be shitting himself.

The virus taking out a large chunk of the elderly population is tragic, but at the same time the harsh reality is that it's a necessity.

Brutal. I hope you’re not affected by it.

That said, flu takes out like 600,000 a year. This isn’t really much to worry about.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2020, 08:32:57 AM »
Brutal. I hope you’re not affected by it.

That said, flu takes out like 600,000 a year. This isn’t really much to worry about.

This is 100x deadlier than flu and looks to be spreading just as fast, how on earth did you reach the conclusion this is nothing much to worry about?Flu has been around for hundreds of years, this just a few months, and look how fast it is spreading.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2020, 08:38:30 AM »
Even if you are relatively safe, your parents/grandparents/young children won't be.And the knockdown effect on infrastructure and the panic could be like nothing we have seen in our lifetime.

Yes that's true and I'll grieve, but then I'll get over it.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2020, 08:42:52 AM »
This is 100x deadlier than flu and looks to be spreading just as fast, how on earth did you reach the conclusion this is nothing much to worry about?Flu has been around for hundreds of years, this just a few months, and look how fast it is spreading.

It's also taking out people with substandard lung health which is mostly heavy smokers. Sucks if that's your vice, but they made that choice so diddums.

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2020, 08:45:34 AM »
It's also taking out people with substandard lung health which is mostly heavy smokers. Sucks if that's your vice, but you made that choice so diddums.

Not only that but it attacks the heart, the USA for example people die younger than many Asian countries, many from heart disease.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2020, 08:47:50 AM »
This guy is famous for being the least alarmist and most conservative doc/expert around.he just said we are officially in a pandemic and to prepare.He is saying the mortality rate in Iran is way higher than the 2% the Chinese are reporting.20% apparently will be seriously ill from it.Our hospitals struggle with a busy Monday morning, can you imagine the riots that will be happening when 50-100x people want care/beds than the hospitals are able to provide?When they are literally turning away the dying by the thousands?Our infrastructure will collapse.Swine flu or influenza has a mortality rate of 0.02%, this has a mortality rate of over 2%, that's over ONE HUNDRED TIMES MORE DEADLY, and looks to spread just as easily.The fact this guy's friends in Iran are begging this guy to get the word out how serious this is, and how much deadlier it seems to be in Iran, raises the possibility it may have already mutated in to something more deadly.





How are defining famous?

What are some examples of where he was the voice of reason while SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu and a dozen other deadly viruses were spreading over the last 2 decades?

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2020, 08:52:46 AM »
Nothing wrong if it wipes out 20% of China. Hopefully does the same with India.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2020, 08:53:18 AM »
How are defining famous?

What are some examples of where he was the voice of reason while SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu and a dozen other deadly viruses were spreading over the last 2 decades?

Well fame in 2020 is far more niche based in general with so many sources of media say compared to 1990.In Coronovirus circles he has spent the last few weeks downplaying the coronovirus based on that facts of spread as they were, now he isn't and clearly he sees the future as bleak with the facts as they are.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2020, 08:54:46 AM »
The negative reaction that will backfired on the U.S, is that  pharmaceutical , medical and health company have been outsourcing their manufacturing to China for decades.  Any thing from vaccines to vitamins and all else between.. The first response and need will be China it's self and the care of it's one billion citizens. Which all compounds to a serious shortage to the U.S. if the coronavirus overtakes this country.

The U.S. already have a limited supply of  vital pharmaceutical supplies, that is a know fact. With the increases of border crossing, a large part of medicine and other disease and health precautions have been directed to those migrants. That goes far in draining the needs of American.  Just to note: breathing mask, the good kind that actually work, are getting hard to find lately. Most all made in China, of course.

Not only the very old or very young, but all people can become victims of a potential out break. A vaccine has not been developed as yet.
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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2020, 08:59:58 AM »
Well fame in 2020 is far more niche based in general with so many sources of media say compared to 1990.In Coronovirus circles he has spent the last few weeks downplaying the coronovirus based on that facts of spread as they were, now he isn't and clearly he sees the future as bleak with the facts as they are.


Bro you said he's  famous for being conservative with these outbreaks. Just provide an example. Surely he posted a video or wrote a dated article at the height of a media influenced panic.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2020, 09:06:27 AM »


Bro you said he's  famous for being conservative with these outbreaks. Just provide an example. Surely he posted a video or wrote a dated article at the height of a media influenced panic.

I never said he had a history of being conservative with previous outbreaks.He is a well connected ,intelligent and articulate doctor who the media have looked at as the voice of reason during this outbreak, and has been downplaying the panic, now he isnt.He is well known in uk medical circles for his logical, fact based approach and common sense.Take from that what you want.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2020, 09:07:47 AM »
Not only that but it attacks the heart, the USA for example people die younger than many Asian countries, many from heart disease.

Smoking aint exactly great for heart health..

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2020, 09:08:49 AM »
Smoking aint exactly great for heart health..

Neither is being obese....

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2020, 09:18:18 AM »
Neither is being obese....

Are you an old obese smoker?

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2020, 09:21:26 AM »
Are you an old obese smoker?

Many people seem confused and if they are not old, obese, a smoker etc then it won't effect them.I am none of these things, I'm more worried about the effects on infrastructure and the panic that will set in.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2020, 09:28:17 AM »
Many people seem confused and if they are not old, obese, a smoker etc then it won't effect them.I am none of these things, I'm more worried about the effects on infrastructure and the panic that will set in.

Why don't you just put yourself in a position where you might benefit from it if that happens..

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2020, 09:36:32 AM »
I never said he had a history of being conservative with previous outbreaks.He is a well connected ,intelligent and articulate doctor who the media have looked at as the voice of reason during this outbreak, and has been downplaying the panic, now he isnt.He is well known in uk medical circles for his logical, fact based approach and common sense.Take from that what you want.

Army when you said he was famous for being the least alarmist and  conservative doc/expert around and then start a post about a rare virus what should we think you’re referring to with the doctors views? Tooth decay? Ingrown toe nails?

All I asked was for an example of what you were talking about and you avoid examples.

Fine. Hee warning that the disease will be deadly. What should we do to protect ourselves?  Argue on getbig?

Help me to understand you.


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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2020, 10:08:11 AM »
Army when you said he was famous for being the least alarmist and  conservative doc/expert around and then start a post about a rare virus what should we think you’re referring to with the doctors views? Tooth decay? Ingrown toe nails?

All I asked was for an example of what you were talking about and you avoid examples.

Fine. Hee warning that the disease will be deadly. What should we do to protect ourselves?  Argue on getbig?

Help me to understand you.



I'm confused.You only have to cursory glance at Google to see he has been downplaying up until the last week the panic.Examples are his entire video history, Google articles etc.He is a 30yr plus doctor/teacher/trainer with histories of running accident and emergency departments, teaching doctors and nurses etc.He is a jack of all trades doctor who is capable of putting the information together from his contacts, history, experience and facts together and deliver them in a matter of fact way.Whether that's ingrown toenails or rare viruses.As to what to do to protect ourselves?Who knows.The Chinese are wearing facemasks in public, washing hands before every meal and avoiding touching surfaces or others when they don't have to.Also not going out when they do not have to.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2020, 10:09:37 AM »
This guy is famous for being the least alarmist and most conservative doc/expert around.he just said we are officially in a pandemic and to prepare.He is saying the mortality rate in Iran is way higher than the 2% the Chinese are reporting.20% apparently will be seriously ill from it.Our hospitals struggle with a busy Monday morning, can you imagine the riots that will be happening when 50-100x people want care/beds than the hospitals are able to provide?When they are literally turning away the dying by the thousands?Our infrastructure will collapse.Swine flu or influenza has a mortality rate of 0.02%, this has a mortality rate of over 2%, that's over ONE HUNDRED TIMES MORE DEADLY, and looks to spread just as easily.The fact this guy's friends in Iran are begging this guy to get the word out how serious this is, and how much deadlier it seems to be in Iran, raises the possibility it may have already mutated in to something more deadly.





That's cool.

These viruses evolve from overcrowding animals in horrible conditions before unjustifiably murdering them.


So yes,it would be good that we pay the price.

Humanity is heading in a bad direction anyways.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2020, 10:12:29 AM »
I don't know about 20% but the 3% figure was between those ill enough to be diagnosed with it.

Most of those who contract the virus clear it as a simple flu,not knowing it was Corona.

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2020, 10:14:41 AM »
I am hiding in Basile's basement until it blows over. The wifi is great here but the food is not so good

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Re: Coronovirus, we are all screwed
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2020, 10:34:52 AM »
I am hiding in Basile's basement until it blows over. The wifi is great here but the food is not so good