Ron Harris aka "Pazuzu"s lifting clips on you tube!

[The Luke]

You know when True Adonis is using the "Squadfather" account because he denies any evidence that someone is stronger than him.

Oh, sorry... my mistake... I forgot that Squadfather is very much a real person and weighs 230 lbs with 48'' arms.

Adam, get a life....
The Luke

[Pazuzu]

Legbreaker, very cool progress pics over the years and I thank you for sharing. Glad to see there are other guys out there crazy enough to be doing as long as I have or longer!

I started out competing in the ANBC (lifetime natural) and the ABCC, which I believe was 5 or 7 years clean. Not sure - I think almost all their shows were in CA and I haven't even heard of the organization in years - probably long gone. In 94 and 95 I started doing the NPC Ironman Naturally shows, which were one-year clean. I was getting second place over and over again to guys that had juiced - or, as I later found out from first-hand confession, were STILL juicing. I just said, f*ck it. I'll just use them for a year, build a ton of size, go off a year, and go back to the tested NPC shows and kick ass. But it didn't work out that way. I juiced on and off starting from the very end of 1996 (day after Thanksgiving I think), on and off all of 97, didn't use at all in 98 but started up again in Sept of 98 and was pretty consistently on and off from then on until Feb of this year. I would always take off at least as much time between cycles as I had been on, sometimes about 1.5 times. So if I was on stuff for 10 weeks, I would wait another 10-15 weeks  before starting up again.

No health problems and luckily never got gyno or lost any hair - just got bacne, mood swings and a shorter temper when I was on, and depression when I was off. I was definitely psychologically addicted to the juice, though. When I was off, all I thought about was when I could go on again. When I was on, about halfway through the cycle I would start dreading the day it would end. Eventually I said to myself, this is just ridiculous and needs to end. I probably said that at least 5-6 times before I finally went off and stayed off.

[legbreaker]

Ron,   Just like you said, if your not gonna try to become professional what's the sense.  Pro sports being the only exception.  I think you made the right move and it will probably pay off at the team u in 07.  I didn't want to offend you with my critique of the lifts, they are all very strong and if they work for ya at the range you fall into then who could argue.

[alexxx]

i always kind of wondered about Ron's poundage claims when i read his articles in the magazines and when i saw his clips i understand why, half reps on incline db presses, Smith machine shoulder presses to the nose, standing almost completely straight barbell rows, swinging db curls, deadlifts above the knees, etc. if you want to check them out he goes under RonHarrisMuscle on you tube, check them out it's hilarious.

Most clowns think the bench press is on a smith machine.

[Debussey]

"Ron Harris" sounds like a porn actor.

[Debussey]

Nothing wrong with running the odd course of gear or some HRT, Ron.  Use, don't abuse.

Potential problem = Future heart problems.

[Matt C]

Potential problem = Future heart problems.

Interesting.  But I don't imagine this is true in moderation.  Same as how alcohol, dope, coke, or whatever else, can be used in moderation.

[Anabolic Outlaw]

Nothing wrong with running the odd course of gear or some HRT, Ron.  Use, don't abuse.

Rationalization

[tomr1976]

See, you can't win. If I had gone all the way down and put my rotators at risk, someone would just come on and say "HAHAHHAHAHAH - I do 405 for 20 reps, you weakling!" What the f ever.

And Dearth, I DID use steroids on and off for several years. I finished up my final cycle, a very moderate one, in February of this year and have been clean since. Sorry if I let you down - I could very well have just denied ever using like a lot of guys do.

Listen, Ron, I know a lot of guys here will agree with me when I say we need your insight, honesty, and positive attitude on here more often.  Don't let the trolls (like the suicidal 14 year old "Squadfather") drive you away like they have others.  Unlike them, you actually walk the walk.

BTW, I am too lazy to log back into my main account, but this is Mentis.  How's the family been these days?

[Anabolic Outlaw]

I don't use drugs.

So why are you pushing them?...

Nothing wrong with running the odd course of gear or some HRT, Ron.  Use, don't abuse.

[SWOLETRAIN]

Ya the guy looks like shit.

[Cleanest Natural]

Everybody seems to be obseased with the size or your arms.  I've seen guys 5'9" with 17" guns that look  bigger than the 6'2" dude with 20's.  It's all how the whole package is presented, as we all know bodybuilding is the great illusion.  Keep it all as tight and lean as it gets and even a solid 16''er on a short dude looks better than someone who all they do are upperbody and mostly bis.  Looks silly, even if they are over 20 if the rest doesn't match up.

that is correct sir, it's all an optical illusion...what.s the deal with all the measurements and weights?...ron..you are doing a great job...congrats....been reading you since way back...

[gtbro1]

Okay, how's this? I haven't done seated bb presses in about 6 months, and wanted to see how I did on them today.

Got 225 for 12, no spotter in the area.

 Fake plates, ALL DRUGS!!! , HAHAHAHA BRUTAL STRENGTH    , I can do that with 315 easily,ect ect..









               


















      jk 

[Hedgehog]

Because I want to be clear and state that there are no dangers with using any drug in moderation.  The conservative type might want to deny this, but that doesn't make it untrue.

What AAS dosages are moderation usage?

YIP
Zack

[sultanofdoom]

Because I want to be clear and state that there are no dangers with using any drug in moderation.  The conservative type might want to deny this, but that doesn't make it untrue.

ghb

rohipnol

dnp

heroin

crack

how do you define moderation that is the question

[Farkenell]

Actually, a lot of the YouTube comments have forced me to really reconsider my form. With the barbell rows, for example, I realize that the form SUCKS and I am going back to dumbbell rows, where I don't have any tendency to start standing up. As for the partial reps on some things, I do agree I see it too. I confess that with DC Training, especially doing it clean (been off for 8 months now), it's very hard to keep using more weight and do more reps every single workout, especially since I've already been training for over 20 years.

Now, as for no chest, come on now!

I dont get this. If anyone told me someone had this profile
Training for 20 years
Competed numerous times
Pumps gear

Ron Harris doesnt train properly nor does it sounds like he's going anywhere "its very Hard" "especially since I've been training for 20 years" sounds like a sob story. This game is so easy, thats why women do so well, they dont have ego's and they're realistic

[Pazuzu]

Farkenil, how long have you been training? When you've only been at it for a couple years, it seems like you will be making fast progress forever. But look at a very simple math scenario. Say that in your first five years of training, you manage to gain 15 pounds of muscle every year and add 50 pounds to your bench. Let's assume a starting bodyweight of 150 and a bench press of 100 pounds to make it simple.

Year 1: 165 - BP 150
Year 2: 180 - BP 200
Year 3: 195 - BP 250
Year 4: 210 - BP 300
Year 5: 225 - BP 350

Those are great gains in 5 years. But if you assume you can keep gaining at that rate, here's how the next 10 years would look:

Year 6: 240 - BP 400
Year 7: 255 - BP 450
Year 8: 270 - BP 500
Year 9: 285 - BP 550
Year 10: 300 - BP 600
Year 11: 315 - BP 650
Year 12: 330 - BP 700
Year 13: 345 - BP 750
Year 14: 360 - BP 800
Year 15: 385 - BP 850

Year 20: 460 - BP 1,100

But guess what? It doesn't work that way. I am putting this in caps because you need to realize how true this is - THE LONGER YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINING, THE HARDER IT BECOMES TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL SIZE AND STRENGTH. Otherwise, why don't we have tens of thousands of guys over 400 pounds lean that can bench press over 1,000 pounds? There are at least that many guys that have been training hard for 20 years or more, and many have used AAS,


Jimmy, the family is great, thanks for asking.

[Farkenell]

Farkenil, how long have you been training? When you've only been at it for a couple years, it seems like you will be making fast progress forever. But look at a very simple math scenario. Say that in your first five years of training, you manage to gain 15 pounds of muscle every year and add 50 pounds to your bench. Let's assume a starting bodyweight of 150 and a bench press of 100 pounds to make it simple.

Year 1: 165 - BP 150
Year 2: 180 - BP 200
Year 3: 195 - BP 250
Year 4: 210 - BP 300
Year 5: 225 - BP 350

Those are great gains in 5 years. But if you assume you can keep gaining at that rate, here's how the next 10 years would look:

Year 6: 240 - BP 400
Year 7: 255 - BP 450
Year 8: 270 - BP 500
Year 9: 285 - BP 550
Year 10: 300 - BP 600
Year 11: 315 - BP 650
Year 12: 330 - BP 700
Year 13: 345 - BP 750
Year 14: 360 - BP 800
Year 15: 385 - BP 850

Year 20: 460 - BP 1,100

But guess what? It doesn't work that way. I am putting this in caps because you need to realize how true this is - THE LONGER YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINING, THE HARDER IT BECOMES TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL SIZE AND STRENGTH. Otherwise, why don't we have tens of thousands of guys over 400 pounds lean that can bench press over 1,000 pounds? There are at least that many guys that have been training hard for 20 years or more, and many have used AAS,


Jimmy, the family is great, thanks for asking.

THE LONGER YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINING, THE HARDER IT BECOMES TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL SIZE AND STRENGTH

GOD DAMN!! Do you really treat everyone as though they know jack shit Ron!! I really needed you to write the above in CRAYON for me.

Simple math scenario huh, well, your barbell row form is a great example of of simple mathematics, can you comprehend this?

BAD FORM + TOO MUCH WEIGHT = NO MUSCLE STIMULATION

however, after twenty you seem to not understand the simplicity of this calculation.

I've been lifting for 3 years and have naturally progressed from a weight of 65kg to 103kg and I perfom all my lifts to stimulate my muscle fibers, not my ego. What Im trying to say is I'd expect more from someone that had been training for 20 years.

[Pazuzu]

Just as I thought - only 3 years of training. I have done plenty of sets with perfect form over the years, trust me on that.

Talk to me again in 10 years. Right now you have very little experience to base any conclusions on.

If bad form and heavy weight indeed equals no muscle stimulation, how do you explain the gigantic size of the pro's that sling weights around like Ronnie and Jay? Even if you want to say it's all genetics and drugs, they still have to be stimulating the muscles in some way for them to respond.

[Hedgehog]

Studies with around 600mg of test E show no health hazards.  That sounds like enough for a simple bulking cycle to me.  Not sure what Ron was on, but he was big so he could have been on a fair bit more.

Don't kid yourself, lots of drugs can be used in moderation.  Yep, you can even do lines of blow, hits of E, etc, in moderation.  Conservatives might not agree with this, but it's not open to debate because it is scientific fact, not opinion.

sultanofdoom - for some drugs, "moderation" means not doing them at all.

AAS usage coupled with strength training increases the size of the heart more than strength training alone will.

YIP
Zack

[Pazuzu]

To clarify why I made a point of noting that you have only been training for 3 years, it's because you are still in the 'honeymoon' phase, as in a marriage. A lot of marriages seem as if they will be a happy eternal union after 3 years, but 10-20 years later, half of them are divorced and at least another half are miserable with each other.

In the first few years of training, you seem to have found all the answers because everything works for you at that stage. Years later, that won't be the case. Perfect form got me to a certain point, and then this year I decided to try loosening my form up here and there to see if it made a difference - and it did. Don't judge me by that one shitty set of barbell rows. Why not look at the Hammer row I did with 5 plates? You will see far better form and contraction of the lats there.

[Farkenell]

Just as I thought - only 3 years of training. I have done plenty of sets with perfect form over the years, trust me on that.

Talk to me again in 10 years. Right now you have very little experience to base any conclusions on.

If bad form and heavy weight indeed equals no muscle stimulation, how do you explain the gigantic size of the pro's that sling weights around like Ronnie and Jay? Even if you want to say it's all genetics and drugs, they still have to be stimulating the muscles in some way for them to respond.

So you do half reps with too much weight for the camera and use correct form and sufficient weight when you're not in front of the camera, is that what you're trying to say.

Haha, my conclusion is you have nothing much to show after 20 years. After 20 years you can even row properly. Actually, its worse, you know you row improperly and still do it.

You cannot deem me inexperienced, you dont even know me.

[Farkenell]

Honeymoon phase?

I work offshore in the oil and gas industry. I sacrificed 6 months of training to get to where I wanted within the industry, which happens to be an installation that incorporates a gym.

When I first started working offshore, I worked 84 twelve hours days STRAIGHT out at sea, thats nearly 3 months without one day off, with no women, no alcohol, no GYM. And we work fucken hard! When we crew changed all 11 of us flew home, and arrived about lunch time.. the first thing I did was I went home, cooked up a meal, and when to the gym... whilst all the others when drinking the pubs dry.

So 2 hours after arriving home, I was in the gym. I've trained in the heat and humidity of the Timor Sea on an oil rig, doing lunges across the helideck in the rain.

So, dont try and tell me that I'll lose interest and wont be bodybuilding in 10 years

You dont know me. When it comes to you, its clear that you have discrepancies somewhere in your bodybuilding regime.

[Overload]

3 Years is a joke...you make the easiest gains the first 5 years or so naturally...

[Farkenell]

3 Years is a joke...you make the easiest gains the first 5 years or so naturally...

Can you elaborate a bit more on how 3 years is a joke?

So, everyones first 3 years is a joke then? Yours must've been, Dorians mustve been. Seems as though you believe 3 years justifies nothing, is it so?

I can front squat over 3 plates for reps, I mustve gained nothing and know nothing after 3 years!!!!