Correlation does not equal causation...I`m not saying it does bro,just a bitch that my friends gone and he was never sick a day in his life.
I`m not saying it does bro,just a bitch that my friends gone and he was never sick a day in his life.
I have no clue if his death was roid related,but it sucks .
Wow that's really terrible. How old was he? How high was high blood pressure? Any ideas of what kind of doses he was using?27 years old, been on for 6 years, rarely taking more than 6 weeks off. BP 160/100.
I'm sure steroids had something to do with it. It's bad for your heart. People who don't take that seriously are kidding themselves.More than likely.......he looked the picture of health,but never went to the doctor...........said they were all quacks. :(
27 years old, being on for 6 years, rarely taking more than 6 weeks off. BP 160/100.
1200mgs per week total (If he was telling me the truth)
Very high liver enzymes, terrible blood lipid (cholesterol) profile
he's slurring his words at the moment. Really tragic and preventable.
27 years old, being on for 6 years, rarely taking more than 6 weeks off. BP 160/100.
1200mgs per week total (If he was telling me the truth)
Very high liver enzymes, terrible blood lipid (cholesterol) profile
he's slurring his words at the moment. Really tragic and completely preventable.
27 years old, being on for 6 years, rarely taking more than 6 weeks off. BP 160/100.Sorry to hear it bud.......that truly sux bigtime.
1200mgs per week total (If he was telling me the truth)
Very high liver enzymes, terrible blood lipid (cholesterol) profile
he's slurring his words at the moment. Really tragic and completely preventable.
Was his resting blood pressure 160/100? Didn't he feel like shit all the time? Was he using a lot of orals? Any gh? These questions are pretty important.The bp number was taken when he was admitted to ER. Not sure about his resting BP. He's a chef and collapsed on the kitchen floor during a busy shift. He's a big guy, somewhat of a "permabulker" at 5"10 255lb, He was always a little out of breath during his workouts, but seemed in good spirits with no visible symptoms/red face etc.......
If some has got jacked muscles, pearly white teeth, epicly dark tan of the islands and an impressive full head of hair then they must be the picture perfect example of health.OUCH!! ;D
The bp number was taken when he was admitted to ER. Not sure about his resting BP. He's a chef and collapsed on the kitchen floor during a busy shift. He's a big guy, somewhat of a "permabulker" at 5"10 255lb, He was always a little out of breath during his workouts, but seemed in good spirits with no visible symptoms/red face etc.......
No GH or insulin (again this is just what he told me, so who knows?) Loved tren anadrol and deca
I'm sure steroids had something to do with it. It's bad for your heart. People who don't take that seriously are kidding themselves.
Well, I know guys who got 160/100 all the time and they're not worried. Hell, I have 120/70 first thing in the morning, 140/70 after drinking coffee during the day and I am worried arleady.I drink a ton of coffee all day long and at night too.
150/90 is my highest on shitloads of coffeine, I'm RED at this value.
You have any long-term studies to back your statement?
I drink a ton of coffee all day long and at night too.
I`m normally 12/70 but have no clue how high it goes after all my coffee drinking.
I gotta` check that out.
You have any long-term studies to back your statement?
Correlation does not equal causation...
So you really think abuse of aas over a long time 10-20 years will have no ill effects at all on your heart ::) Give me a fucken break. It lowers HDL levles and raises LDL levels. It increases blood pressure stiffening areteries. Raises rbc and hematocrit levels.
Then you throw high doses of tren in there and 10-20 i.u of gh I'm suprised you don't see more guys having strokes on these boards.
Testimony to the fact that human body can go through many things in my opinion. Some people interpret that as a proof of the fact that steroids aren't dangerous.Whether steroids are harmful or not can be debated for years to come.....but
To be honest, in this particular case truth is in the middle. Steroids aren't hysterically dangerous, but they aren't safe either. They fall into same cathegory as alcohol, tabacco and so on. Occasional use is for most people K, extended use or abuse creates great risk.
It doesn't have to. I'm just really coffeine sensitive. 2 tablespoons of black coffee and I'm high. It's genetic, my mother is same.Oh,cool,I drink it like it`s going out of style,but I feel OK.
It's risk vs reward. I could see people taking that risk if the reward is there , like a career as a professional bodybuilder or professional athlete but is the risk worth it just to be big for the sake of it?I think for some the reward is money/career ,for others is pussy, attention ,respect from other dudes,......etc.
It doesn't have to. I'm just really coffeine sensitive. 2 tablespoons of black coffee and I'm high. It's genetic, my mother is same.
The bp number was taken when he was admitted to ER. Not sure about his resting BP. He's a chef and collapsed on the kitchen floor during a busy shift. He's a big guy, somewhat of a "permabulker" at 5"10 255lb, He was always a little out of breath during his workouts, but seemed in good spirits with no visible symptoms/red face etc.......
No GH or insulin (again this is just what he told me, so who knows?) Loved tren anadrol and deca
i'm on 100mg test prop and 100mg tren hex e2d
just took my BP and it's 136-76
am i dying?
ps i had an espresso 3 hours ago
I've read that cayenne pepper is great for circulation, the heart and a whole bunch of other things. I try to drink a tablespoon daily with water. Look into it and get your regular check ups.
119/68this
eat clean guys and do some cardio for the heart... dont care how much fuckin tren and gh ur on
I envy guys who have 120/70 on tren and gh. My diet is clean, I do cardio once a week and even on AI I have elevated BP during the day. 120/80 first thing in the morning, later in the day it sometimes it even jumps to 140/80 . A little bit of bloat, heavy workout and it goes crazy high. I can't imagine what it would like on tren, I'm not even gonna try.
my grandma took cayenne pepper and it raised her blood pressure to alarming levels. When she stopped, her bp went back down. True story
i'm on 100mg test prop and 100mg tren hex e2d
just took my BP and it's 136-76
am i dying?
ps i had an espresso 3 hours ago
Only once a week?
27 years old, been on for 6 years, rarely taking more than 6 weeks off. BP 160/100.
1200mgs per week total (If he was telling me the truth)
Very high liver enzymes, terrible blood lipid (cholesterol) profile
he's slurring his words at the moment. Really tragic and completely preventable.
You have any long-term studies to back your statement?
fuck it than guys nevermind. ..lol
but seriously from what I've read its supposed to normalize your bp also....weird.
It would be cool if we could get a thread on ways to keep safe if you plan on using long term. Different helpful supplements and ways to keep the heart healthy. That's the one thing I'm always worried about is my heart.
Its all in the genes. And genes are a lottery. I've had severe anxiety since i was a kid, along with insomnia, ADD...etc since i've been on gear i've been able to reduce my anxiety and stopped taking benzos for the first time in 9 years. I have been sleeping normally for days. I'm not saying roids cured my or anything similar, just that they didn't affect me bad at all. On top of that my sex life is the closest its ever been to "normal" and ass has actually allowed me to eat less without fear of loosing muscle and that has improved my overall health.
Don't overlook this. You may feel invincible but High blood pressure is the invisible killer.
A gym friend recently suffered a stroke resulting from high blood pressure and a myriad of other undiagnosed liver/kidney/circulatory issues. He hadn't visited a doctor in years, looked and felt great and used moderate doses of anabolics on a long term basis. He suffered a Left-Hemisphere Stroke, affecting his speech and language abilities.
Don't be afraid of your doctor. They won't judge you, but they will help you.
Many guys are in denial. As long as they look great on the outside, surely all is well on the inside.
If some has got jacked muscles, pearly white teeth, epicly dark tan of the islands and an impressive full head of hair then they must be the picture perfect example of health.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410992.0;attach=454262)
I don't have time or equipment for more. It's cold as fuck and wet outside.
if you are prone to heart problem ..you wuill have heart problems ,, thats how it is friends
rest assure all the healthy so call fellas who get so call problems lol they are on narcotics and do much other things beside hormones,,,smoking,, partying their ass, drinking their ass,, and cocaino their ass with some percoset for the heck of it
gh15 approved
119/68
eat clean guys and do some cardio for the heart... dont care how much fuckin tren and gh ur on
THIS... fellas you can abuse the shit out aas, orals, gh insulin, fat burners, whatever it is you want.. make sure to FUCKING EAT HEALTHY and all that shit, BP issues, kidney, liver, cholesterol that won't be a problem.. EVERY SINGLE HEALTH RELATED PROBLEM STEMS FROM ONE THING: YOUR DIET!!!! And like Max B said, make sure to do a little cardio, just to keep well-rounded and for overall general health....
Eat healthy=abuse the shit out of hormonas ;D
hart disease is the no1 killer of people all over the world.... lol..
why would it be different with the bb community?????
except when a bb had problems ..... STEROIDS!
i knew bb who had problems yes, also ones who never had problems....
also i knew normal people who had problems, and normal people who never had problems...
GENETICS.....
life is a big gamble man..... 8)
Don't overlook this. You may feel invincible but High blood pressure is the invisible killer.
A gym friend recently suffered a stroke resulting from high blood pressure and a myriad of other undiagnosed liver/kidney/circulatory issues. He hadn't visited a doctor in years, looked and felt great and used moderate doses of anabolics on a long term basis. He suffered a Left-Hemisphere Stroke, affecting his speech and language abilities.
Don't be afraid of your doctor. They won't judge you, but they will help you.
Many guys are in denial. As long as they look great on the outside, surely all is well on the inside.
Steroids strengthen your heart idiots. Its all the OTHER DRUGS that kill, not steroids.
for several years when i was a "permabulker" my bp was about 150 / 90, no juice of course.
nowadays it's about 140/75... sucks inheriting my dad's high blood pressure.
sometimes i think i should just kill myself to remove this curse from the gene pool :D
THIS... fellas you can abuse the shit out aas, orals, gh insulin, fat burners, whatever it is you want.. make sure to FUCKING EAT HEALTHY and all that shit, BP issues, kidney, liver, cholesterol that won't be a problem.. EVERY SINGLE HEALTH RELATED PROBLEM STEMS FROM ONE THING: YOUR DIET!!!! And like Max B said, make sure to do a little cardio, just to keep well-rounded and for overall general health....
Eat healthy=abuse the shit out of hormonas ;D
lol,, fellas still dont undertand they still dont get it ,,Amen boss!!
H G H fix everything bad steroid do ,, every thign!,, the more hgh you take the better you will feel the more happy you will feel ,, the more harsh steroid uyo will be able to take
what the fuck doi yo uthink branch waren has some magic genetic bone? philsulina? lol i mean comon those felas abuse the flying day light out of hgh and then load on aas ,, whats so hard to understand
reason they can function is HIGH HIGH DOSES OF HGH and in some cases narcotics to be able to function when hgh is out for coupel weeks and trenbolona and anadrola are in ,, since you will need some meds to function and to be able to sleep,, you see it in small level with the narcotic addict widow from this boarding,, this source is fucked up deep in the head ,, he is deep in the sourcing world and he need his narcotics to function because....he cant have high dose hgh ...you see it in small examples from fellas who are not profesionals,,
it is funny how generationnothingness will hear the truth and still! try to make something out of the truth that is not there lol
ABUSE OF HGH IS THE NAME OF THE GAME,, TRY TAKING 12 IU OF THANKTROPIN COMPARE TO 6 IU ...SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN if you are a serious bodybuild you will see how 3 dimentional become from mini mutaititon to middle sized mutation ,,
gh15 approved
gh15 approved
Sorry to hear about your buddy. Sucks.Adonis Approved, although many didn`t want to believe it a few years ago.
Guys, you can get your blood done for about $60-100. That's NOTHING to pay to see how things are looking on the inside. If you need help locating a place to do this, PM me, I'll get you the info.
Boost, I believe the biggest factor in your friends bad health was his "permabulking", which will lend to high cholesterol and BP. We really should be making an effort to be as lean as we can as much of the time as possible.
The difference is that the average age for men to have a first heart attack is 66 not 35 .
::) ::) ::) ::)
do you know what average means?
tip:
find average:
1 20 20 20 20 20
There are several ways to calculate it , do you know what ''mode'' means, retard ? ::)
There are several ways to calculate it , do you know what ''mode'' means, retard ? ::)
::) ::) ::)
mode isn't equal to average unless you assume it's normal distribution, or something like that. by average we usually mean expected value which is irrelevant in this case...
what is relevant is propability of heart attack before given age, P(X<k)... And it's still not relevant unless you prove that this value is strongly affected by the use of steroids.
tbombz claiming 0.(3) ain't equal to 1/3, some other guy thinking 360 turn changes anything and now you with this... you getbiggers lack some common sense, don't you?
Eating healthy means nothing. While most people know what eating crap is they ignore what healthy is.
Are veggies healthy? most would say yes. For me? not. Acid reflux, heartburn, gasses...all consequences of veggies. No thanks.
I stick to fish, chicken/turkey some meat and some rice and fruits as carb sources.
lol,, fellas still dont undertand they still dont get it ,,
H G H fix everything bad steroid do ,, every thign!,, the more hgh you take the better you will feel the more happy you will feel ,, the more harsh steroid uyo will be able to take
what the fuck doi yo uthink branch waren has some magic genetic bone? philsulina? lol i mean comon those felas abuse the flying day light out of hgh and then load on aas ,, whats so hard to understand
reason they can function is HIGH HIGH DOSES OF HGH and in some cases narcotics to be able to function when hgh is out for coupel weeks and trenbolona and anadrola are in ,, since you will need some meds to function and to be able to sleep,, you see it in small level with the narcotic addict widow from this boarding,, this source is fucked up deep in the head ,, he is deep in the sourcing world and he need his narcotics to function because....he cant have high dose hgh ...you see it in small examples from fellas who are not profesionals,,
it is funny how generationnothingness will hear the truth and still! try to make something out of the truth that is not there lol
ABUSE OF HGH IS THE NAME OF THE GAME,, TRY TAKING 12 IU OF THANKTROPIN COMPARE TO 6 IU ...SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN if you are a serious bodybuild you will see how 3 dimentional become from mini mutaititon to middle sized mutation ,,
gh15 approved
gh15 approved
What about enlargement of the heart? Does hgh not increase the size of the heart making the walls of the left ventricular thicker and therefor weaker?
Doesn't it enlarge because of chronic hypertension? (if so - BP meds would cause it to "athropy" if administered long enough). Oh, and I remember some study, the result was that - administration of viagra for some time caused the enlargement of mice heart to be reversed as a "side effect".. Just a flashback (I'm pretty sure it's not a "permanent" condition and something may be done, as it's a muscle after all..).
p.s. - here it is: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/59635-viagra-may-reverse-enlarged-heart-damage.html ; http://www.ergogenics.org/viagra8.html
Doesn't it enlarge because of chronic hypertension? (if so - BP meds would cause it to "athropy" if administered long enough). Oh, and I remember some study, the result was that - administration of viagra for some time caused the enlargement of mice heart to be reversed as a "side effect"..
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27 years old, been on for 6 years, rarely taking more than 6 weeks off. BP 160/100.
1200mgs per week total (If he was telling me the truth)
Very high liver enzymes, terrible blood lipid (cholesterol) profile
he's slurring his words at the moment. Really tragic and completely preventable.
Check your blood pressure yourself, buy a cheap meter. BTW it's silly to go for those 120/70 numbers all the time, bit higher is no problem. You can check bloodsugar and cholesterol yourself easily. If you do heavy orals have a screening blood test, if not insured it can't be that expensive...correct me if i am wrong dr...
says Dr Dutch
What about enlargement of the heart? Does hgh not increase the size of the heart making the walls of the left ventricular thicker and therefor weaker?
Lol, can't help but think of Zyzz and the other fags who will soon follow him.
Lol do you really think a retard like GH15 will be able to answer this?
His answer to everything is Kigtropin. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :D
I read about the viagra too but I don't really see taking viagra long term as an option to keep the heart from thickening. Weight lifting in itself will cause thickening of the left ventricular because of the pressure/stress during heavy lifting.
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ppls with high cholesterol live longerexactly!!!
diovan does th blood pressure job well
for liver enzymes , when your fuck you take break ,,
exactly!!!
closing of arteries and vessels is not CAUSED by cholesterol at all.....
it is caused by inflamation of the artery or vessel wall....
eating a good amount of healthy fats reduces inflamation reactions in your body....
having a high total cholesterol does not mean you are unhealthy!!!!!!!
lowering your cholesterol with meds can actually be very dangerous as your body needs it!
it's all about the hdl/ldl..... how that is divided.
latest research shows fats are not to blame at all..... it's exessive carbs... simpel carbs and high sugar levels in blood...
high glucose = high insuline... insuline kills.....
think about it.... before the industrial revolution... before processed foods.. before it all... a lot less heart diseases... why????????
lower insuline levels.... less simpel carbs in the food.... higher protein and fat intake....
no problem bro...
awesome post
thk u
So you really think abuse of aas over a long time 10-20 years will have no ill effects at all on your heart ::) Give me a fucken break. It lowers HDL levles and raises LDL levels. It increases blood pressure stiffening areteries. Raises rbc and hematocrit levels.
Then you throw high doses of tren in there and 10-20 i.u of gh I'm suprised you don't see more guys having strokes on these boards.
exactly!!!I like most of your posts, but i will have to disagree with this one
closing of arteries and vessels is not CAUSED by cholesterol at all.....
it is caused by inflamation of the artery or vessel wall....
eating a good amount of healthy fats reduces inflamation reactions in your body....
having a high total cholesterol does not mean you are unhealthy!!!!!!!
lowering your cholesterol with meds can actually be very dangerous as your body needs it!
it's all about the hdl/ldl..... how that is divided.
latest research shows fats are not to blame at all..... it's exessive carbs... simpel carbs and high sugar levels in blood...
high glucose = high insuline... insuline kills.....
think about it.... before the industrial revolution... before processed foods.. before it all... a lot less heart diseases... why????????
lower insuline levels.... less simpel carbs in the food.... higher protein and fat intake....
I like most of your posts, but i will have to disagree with this oneyour welcome to disagree bro.... ;D
read here:
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
and:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/the-influence-of-the-subjects-training-state-on-the-glycemic-index.html
your welcome to disagree bro.... ;DI would appreciate if you will do it
but i can surf a little on google and come up with research that backs up my claims...
it´s new research... and it makes sense...
and i read your links a little ... full of errors... sorry...
high insulin... = western world diseases...
why is it that in some desert populations where they eat like we used to... ie: fish, lean meat, a little carbs... fruits and berry's especially... and fats from the meat , and nuts... why is it these people have virtually NO heart disease except for genetic problems??? why almost no cancer? no diabetics type 2.. WHY?????
low insuline levels....
why do bodybuilders look like crap nowadays? insulin! why did tom princess and flex wheeler lose kidney's???? diuretics?? yes but only because combination with insulin!!! lol i know guys that ABUSED diuretics.. they are fine, why?? no insulin.....
and btw i said simpel carbs... processed foods..... read better...
carbs are not carbs.. simpel carbs have much more impact on bloodglucose as complex carbs...
and about the cholesterol.. go and google.... FACTS! i saw a docter here on tv talking about it just last week..... it's inflamation in the body... inflamation of the artery or vessel walls.... that is where cholesterol gets stuck in... the little lesions....lot's of people wit low cholesterol that get hartattacks...and people with high cholesterol that live to 90....
diet high in (healthy) fats actually prevents inflamation reactions in the body...and yes you NEED sat fat as well!!!!!
insulin should be low!!!!!!! period! not none existant...lol... but low and stable....
I would appreciate if you will do itas i said if i google a bit i can come up with research that backs up my claims... but i am lazy and not in the mood to do so... lol...
i agree about the fact that insulin is indeed 'killer' and the articles aren't disagree with this either.
It's hard to comment on most of what you wrote because there is too many 'ifs', like the desert populations you mentioned, in their situation there can be much more factors rather than just low insulin for them being healthy (also take a note and read about insulin index)
As for Tom Prince and flex wheeler and their kidney problems, well you can't tell it for a fact so who knows....
carb = carb? obviously no, but read the articles and you will get some insight on how different carbs will affect body composition.
I don't tend to get into arguments especially not the kind that related to nutrition, but for the sake of this argument take your time and read my links, if you are going to throw statements than find something to back them up or at least write them in more complete way.
exactly!!!
closing of arteries and vessels is not CAUSED by cholesterol at all.....
it is caused by inflamation of the artery or vessel wall....
eating a good amount of healthy fats reduces inflamation reactions in your body....
having a high total cholesterol does not mean you are unhealthy!!!!!!!
lowering your cholesterol with meds can actually be very dangerous as your body needs it!
it's all about the hdl/ldl..... how that is divided.
latest research shows fats are not to blame at all..... it's exessive carbs... simpel carbs and high sugar levels in blood...
high glucose = high insuline... insuline kills.....
think about it.... before the industrial revolution... before processed foods.. before it all... a lot less heart diseases... why????????
lower insuline levels.... less simpel carbs in the food.... higher protein and fat intake....
Once the endothelial of a blood vessel is damaged, usually by blood flow at a bifurcation point, cholesterol will deposit, the body then sends antibodies to the affected area and this goes on and on until you have a blocked artery.
It is a combination of things, but, in short it is cholesterol that is the issue.
Many years ago people didnt live as long, lifestyle and medical care are vastly different, try to avoid that argument.
your welcome to disagree bro.... ;D
but i can surf a little on google and come up with research that backs up my claims...
it´s new research... and it makes sense...
and i read your links a little ... full of errors... sorry...
high insulin... = western world diseases...
why is it that in some desert populations where they eat like we used to... ie: fish, lean meat, a little carbs... fruits and berry's especially... and fats from the meat , and nuts... why is it these people have virtually NO heart disease except for genetic problems??? why almost no cancer? no diabetics type 2.. WHY?????
low insuline levels....
why do bodybuilders look like crap nowadays? insulin! why did tom princess and flex wheeler lose kidney's???? diuretics?? yes but only because combination with insulin!!! lol i know guys that ABUSED diuretics.. they are fine, why?? no insulin.....
and btw i said simpel carbs... processed foods..... read better...
carbs are not carbs.. simpel carbs have much more impact on bloodglucose as complex carbs...
and about the cholesterol.. go and google.... FACTS! i saw a docter here on tv talking about it just last week..... it's inflamation in the body... inflamation of the artery or vessel walls.... that is where cholesterol gets stuck in... the little lesions....lot's of people wit low cholesterol that get hartattacks...and people with high cholesterol that live to 90....
diet high in (healthy) fats actually prevents inflamation reactions in the body...and yes you NEED sat fat as well!!!!!
insulin should be low!!!!!!! period! not none existant...lol... but low and stable....
Nice posts. How do you prevent inflammation of the arteries and anything else that could lead to heart disease or other heart problems?
If some has got jacked muscles, pearly white teeth, epicly dark tan of the islands and an impressive full head of hair then they must be the picture perfect example of health.
Keep LDL low, HDL high, use as little PED's as possible. Get blood work 2 times a year and keep body-weight/fat under 15%.
correct me if i am wrong dr...
but isn't it true that , higher bodyweight, big muscles, heavy weight training ... all these things by themself cause a bit higher bp??? not necessarily
i mean 150/80 to me is not that high for a big dude that weighs 250 plus... no problem bp
i think people are a bit to freaked on this subject... indeed
also a high dyastolic is worse then the systolic on the higher side... correct? opinions among dr's differ about that these days
steroids cause high bp , because of the water that you retain.... get that under control and there should be no problem as to bp.... correct
aside from the thicker blood you get from steroids.... that can be solved by taking aspirine... not entirely
docter asked only 2 things.....
does it run in your familiy and he asked if he smoked.... steroids were mentioned only when he was recovered....
and the doc said they are not the biggest problem at all... sure there are risks... but genetics are factor no1...
and smoking.... smoking is way , way worse than anything.... worse then steroids, worse then alcohol...
sometimes when i go out i have people telling me i will die young because of steroids.. they are standing there being 30kg overweight and drinking a beer and smoking a sigarette.... i just shake my head and say..... sure.... ::) ::) ::) ::) I think you got the idea, my man
Nice posts. How do you prevent inflammation of the arteries and anything else that could lead to heart disease or other heart problems?
Both grandparents had heart issues in my family. From what I recall, I had read Niacin helps with the arteries.hiring a vampire may help as well, you fool.... ;D
But asprin works to thin the blood as Optimus pointed out. I think giving blood may help too. But not too sure on that one. ???
Thanks for the post JAM.
To anyone who is somewhat knowledgeable about health, would dipping regularly be just as bad as smoking? I keep reading that it is very bad for one to smoke and have high BP, since both dip and smoking constrict blood vessels, are both equally harmful as far as heart disease and BP?
After 7 years of being on I found out today my liver enzymes are off the charts and the liver is damaged. Blood pressure is high, don't do what I did. Take care of yourselfs, my bodybuilding dreams are pretty much over. Have an unborn son on the way and want to be around.
No problem! From what I recall my grandfather smoked and then switched to chew. But I don't think it made a difference for the better in his case. It was probably like switching from crack to strait old cocaine. (Both being bad one being a little worse) Safest way is avoid that sort of stuff altogether. But maybe someone who knows more about dip can answer. ;)
Over the years I have used:
Lots of Tren
Lots of EQ
NPP
Deca
Anadrol
Superdrol
Primo
Winstrol
Various test ethers mainly sustanon and ethanate
Also peptides and hgh but don't think those are the cause.
I have been on 3 years straight only taken off a few weeks a year. The last year lots of Tren an EQ. For me I'm predisposed to hypertension. Just watch the blood pressure and check your liver enzymes. It pains me to come off but I would rather be alive for my girl and unborn child. Had a good run, wanted to be national level but its ok, have my career and I will probably shrink to twinkle size. Question GH15 would the hgh help my liver in any way.
Over the years I have used:
Lots of Tren
Lots of EQ
NPP
Deca
Anadrol
Superdrol
Primo
Winstrol
Various test ethers mainly sustanon and ethanate
Also peptides and hgh but don't think those are the cause.
I have been on 3 years straight only taken off a few weeks a year. The last year lots of Tren an EQ. For me I'm predisposed to hypertension. Just watch the blood pressure and check your liver enzymes. It pains me to come off but I would rather be alive for my girl and unborn child. Had a good run, wanted to be national level but its ok, have my career and I will probably shrink to twinkle size. Question GH15 would the hgh help my liver in any way.
I thought about cruising but feeling the pressure from my family. I go back to the doctor next Monday waiting to decide after he sees the ultra sound. I was running high doses. I'm not a tall guy, 5'6 230 pounds. Burned my body out.
most of the problem is the shitty quality of what ppl are injecting...they think they have pro connect gear but its 65% watered down bunk shit that the dealer spit in and cummed in...and ppl are injecting this random syrupy liquid in their ass, thats the problem
I liked everything except the low PED part :'(
Understood, but why take PED's to such an extent that you get sides????? Especially when many do not perform in a competitive manner. It is sad to see so many taking AAS to look bigger and stronger when in the gym, why? Even if one is fortunate or unfortunate, depending on you perspective, to get to the national level does the risk out-weigh the reward?????
The way I see it, the best reason for anyone to work out and take PED's is to be able to fuck more sluts. Can't think of any better reason.
Let's think of other motivations for a second here
to compete for a plastic trophy = not a better reason
to feel good about yourself = not a better reason
to be healthier = well we all know it makes you less healthy so this obviously won't work out favorably
to boost confidence = well this is a great reason but it usually happens regardless of what your goal is
to be able to intimate people and be scared of you = ummm ok I guess but still not a better reason
to get more attention from others = good reason, but not as good
to impress your girlfriend = if she was with you in the first place, not a better reason
Millions of dollars > tramp as whores
Millions of dollars = fucking high class whores
lol.. thanx doc! ;)
yes but high cholesterol is not the cause.... lot's of people with high cholesterol that live to be 90....
I have high systolic (120 first thing in the morning, usually around 140 during the day, never higher than 150), low diastolic (usually around 70, never higher than 80). i have normal resting pulse (56/minute). no major cardiovascular diseases to note in my family. i don't know anyone in my family from my grandparents except from my grandfather's brother who didn't live to their 80s. my grandfather smoked, was in stutthof concentration camp, died at 87. grandmather's sister was 100 when she died.lol.. 120 high??????
should i be worried about my elevated systolic bp? i have to be honest that i had issues month ago. i was really bloated, going overboard with coffeine. i was all red during each set and had red marks on my chest after heavy squats prolly from little blood vessels, dunno how to explain in english, bursting out? that's when i got worried and bought manual bp set and started monitoring it. at the same time i bumped antiestrogens, changed to propionate and started feeling much better.
i will consult doctor, but before that happens, can you please tell me what you think about it dutchguy?
explain how you make millions of dollars by working out and taking PED's? Beingtop 5number one at the O consistently?
lol.. 120 high??????
even 140 is quite normal... jesus you guys need to give it a rest.....
140/80 is nothing to be worried about.....
i have about 150/80 sometimes a little higher sometimes a little lower....
nothing to be worried about..... it's a little high.. but i always had higher bp ... some people have a littler higher some a little lower.... as long a it's not ridiculously high..... do not stressss!!! stress raises bp you know ;)
I'm gunna compete. So I'm not gunna be an average gym rat who gets big and ripped for hoes. Although thats a nice perk that comes with it. If you're a doc I know you're probably very knowledgeable but a friend of mine that is 10 years deep into med school said they covered steroids in those 10 years a total of 10 minutes. So docs are among the least educated about it.The guys from the 60's - 80's do not look like the current competitors at all, do they? What is the difference? Food, training or drugs??
And another thing, no offense, just stating facts, the guys from the 70's that weren't narcs, for the most part are all still alive today. And they didn't even have GH to keep em young. So in all fairness I don't think steroids are healthy, but they aren't necessarily unhealthy either providing you don't stay on grams for years at a time without cruising.
exactly!!!
closing of arteries and vessels is not CAUSED by cholesterol at all.....
it is caused by inflamation of the artery or vessel wall....
eating a good amount of healthy fats reduces inflamation reactions in your body....
having a high total cholesterol does not mean you are unhealthy!!!!!!!
lowering your cholesterol with meds can actually be very dangerous as your body needs it!
it's all about the hdl/ldl..... how that is divided.
latest research shows fats are not to blame at all..... it's exessive carbs... simpel carbs and high sugar levels in blood...
high glucose = high insuline... insuline kills.....
think about it.... before the industrial revolution... before processed foods.. before it all... a lot less heart diseases... why????????
lower insuline levels.... less simpel carbs in the food.... higher protein and fat intake....
bullshit. chinese used to eat rice allllllllll the damn time and lived extremely old. inuit women on a whale only diet? please, they all look like shit, facially and physically, lol.
whats giving us these kinds of problems is shits like all those chemicals in everything we use; soap, deodorant, creams, shampoo, all these stuff, chemicals in our foods, cell phones, computers, all this shit thats emitting radiation. this is why we got problems we didnt had before, not food, unless there is chemicals in it, our body knows how to process any kind of food, whale or rice
How often should you can you give blood?
bullshit. chinese used to eat rice allllllllll the damn time and lived extremely old. inuit women on a whale only diet? please, they all look like shit, facially and physically, lol.lol.. chinese did not eat that much rice dude... they ate a lot of fish and pork.. veggies, and other meats...
whats giving us these kinds of problems is shits like all those chemicals in everything we use; soap, deodorant, creams, shampoo, all these stuff, chemicals in our foods, cell phones, computers, all this shit thats emitting radiation. this is why we got problems we didnt had before, not food, unless there is chemicals in it, our body knows how to process any kind of food, whale or rice
And it's not about simple carbs,you can eat bananas all day long,they won't hurt you,they are simple carbs too,but,they are not artificial carbs.It's something to drink soda's,all kinds of chocolate's,cream's and processed carbs.That's the problem nowdays.simple carbs are simpel carbs... they spike insuline fast.... wether natural or not....
Plus the hormonas and chemicals in the meat and veggies.Try to grow your own chicken,and then compare that with the chicken breasts you buy from the store.HUGE difference.
After 7 years of being on I found out today my liver enzymes are off the charts and the liver is damaged. Blood pressure is high, don't do what I did. Take care of yourselfs, my bodybuilding dreams are pretty much over. Have an unborn son on the way and want to be around.At what range were your enzymes?
simple carbs are simpel carbs... they spike insuline fast.... wether natural or not....
eat a lot of bananas and you will get fat also....
fruit is not THAT healthy.....
agreed though that man made fructose is worst.... that stuff is pure poison...
I tell you man,fruit is healthy,we are not speaking about getting fat or not,we are speaking about health.fruit in moderation yes....
Go eat let's say 2000 cals a day of cake a period,and 2000 cals from bananas other exact same period.You will get considerably fatter and damage your health on cake's rather than bananas :)
At what range were your enzymes?
Had a docs appointment today. I've been on for like 5-6 months. Blood pressure was 120/82 my hemo was in good range. Everything looked good. I've mainly been using test and masteron nothing to abrasive.
lol.. chinese did not eat that much rice dude... they ate a lot of fish and pork.. veggies, and other meats...
you think chinese food like you have in USA is like they used to eat in china????? lol... yanks.... ::) ::) ::)
inuit are ugly people... that is genetic ..... and where did i say whale only...? READ!
agreed about the chemicals bro... that is why i also said, processed foods, together with simple carbs....
a little carbs will nut hurt, but overloading with simpel carbs as we do today combined with processed foods..... = unhealthy....
did not eat that much rice? lmao, go back to school. rice is almost the only thing they had to eat. I agree that processed foods is bad, like industrial candies and stuff like that, but not all kind carbs are bad: rice, potatoes,etc, is good for you, and excellent for bbing. high insulin is not the problem.. insulin simply shuffle nutrient from food to cells, and signal your body that your are fed, thus less or no catabolismyes you make it seem all they eat was rice.... not true at all!
yes you make it seem all they eat was rice.... not true at all!
they eat rice in small portions....as all of their food... small portions... lot of veggies also...
rice is a part of their food, not all they eat. lol....
also depends where they lived, nothern china they did not eat a lot of rice at all.. more noodles...
also chinese food is loaded with fats and protein....pork, beef, fish.
hardly a high carb diet.
that they are skinny has more to do with their genes....
processed foods, agreed. allready told you that.
and high insuline is not healthy... period....high insulin is the problem of many things...
it does a lot more then shuttle nutrients , has effect on a lot of organs.... and processes in the body...
and leptin is what makes you feel satisfied.... not insulin...
insulin makes you more hungry....
ever shot 15 iu of huma? you can eat a horse after that.... ;D ;D
and after a high carb meal.... about an hour afterwards you can eat again.... why??? high insulin...
eat a meal with fat in it, you will feel satisfied longer....
yeah it's genetic.... lucky bastards! but they have a hard time putting on muscle...
This part is very true. My wife is from Taiwan and almost everyone on that side of the family can eat LOTS of food and don't seem to gain an ounce. My brother in law can eat in-and-out burger, fried stuff, pizza, soda, buffet, etc and has 29" waist. If I ate half of that I'd be a tube of goo!
And yes traditional Asian food is usually smaller portions. I wonder if the introduction of fast food chains in Asia will ruin their health like in the USA. ??? I'm guessing over time it will effect them in a bad way too. But they also use their own local ingredients that often don't have as much chemicals, processing, and preservatives. Like I think in Taiwan you can get sweet potato fries. Wish we could get that here!
yes you make it seem all they eat was rice.... not true at all!
they eat rice in small portions....as all of their food... small portions... lot of veggies also...
rice is a part of their food, not all they eat. lol....
also depends where they lived, nothern china they did not eat a lot of rice at all.. more noodles...
also chinese food is loaded with fats and protein....pork, beef, fish.
hardly a high carb diet.
that they are skinny has more to do with their genes....
processed foods, agreed. allready told you that.
and high insuline is not healthy... period....high insulin is the problem of many things...
it does a lot more then shuttle nutrients , has effect on a lot of organs.... and processes in the body...
and leptin is what makes you feel satisfied.... not insulin...
insulin makes you more hungry....
ever shot 15 iu of huma? you can eat a horse after that.... ;D ;D
and after a high carb meal.... about an hour afterwards you can eat again.... why??? high insulin...
eat a meal with fat in it, you will feel satisfied longer....
let me guess. 7 pages of denial of steroids effects on health ::)
Bingo.who is in panic mode?
Look at all these drug monkeys in panic mode
who is in panic mode?x2
And no monkeys here......lol!
Some people smoke, others drink coffee, or alcohol...
Some die young despite living healthy.. Some get old abusing their bodies....
Life is a big gamble....
More to do with having strong genes.....
Steroids are not evil and soooooooo dangerous.... Abuse them and there are sides z
yes.... Use common sense... No need for hysteria..
let me guess. 7 pages of denial of steroids effects on health ::)
hormones will shorten life if taken in higher dosages than hrt:D
that s just fact
like pimping an engine
if done right
- it will be stronger faster but life length and reliability will be reduced
if done wrong
- it won t run properly anymore and go to failure very fast with no benefits at all
the decision is "average and long life" or "bigger stronger faster and SHORTER life on hormons with big chance to fuck it up right from the beginning and get nowhere at al"
i won t say don t take hormones but you need to have a specific goal in life to fit to the hormone abuser lifestyle
maybe being a nba superstar is worth to die at 60 instead of 92yrs old
dying 45 insted of 92 to be a big down hill type of bodybuilder is just ::)
and be sure if you are one of the "life your muscle is everything dream" guys, one day the dream will be over and you will wish that you didn t do what youve done and get just a couple more days on this planet
as soon you go off muscles fade ut heallth probs very well may stay forever
dying 45 insted of 92 to be a big down hill type of bodybuilder is just ::)
Some don't even make it that far. Just look at last year:
Luke Wood - 35
Art Atwood - 37
Zyzz - 22 or 23
And basically none of these guys has even achieved anything mentionable in that "sport".
What's his hairpiece made out of? The pubes from a squirrels ball sack!!!
Some don't even make it that far. Just look at last year:yes what killed these guys? narcotics...not the roids...
Luke Wood - 35
Art Atwood - 37
Zyzz - 22 or 23
And basically none of these guys has even achieved anything mentionable in that "sport".