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Bigger than the '85 Mr. O? When Arnold came back after like 5 years and beat Mike Menzter..
Bigger than Franco Colombo(with not legs) beating a perfect Danny Padilla and a better Platz?
Bigger than Dorian beating a number of candidates in the 90's.. '97 being the year when Nasser was robbed blind.
2007 Mr. Olympia was the biggest screw job ever.. Wolf was Mr. Olympia outright..
He had size, proportion, a pleasing look.. Even people like Crotch could appreciate a freak like Wolf.
I am digusted... I found out the results yesterday and seeing the pictures and all, to me it was just another blow to the IFBB. I mean who in their right state would pick Jay over Wolf? And if you fucking dare, then please explain with pictures for comparisons..
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i don't dare . . . :-[
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Bigger than the '85 Mr. O? When Arnold came back after like 5 years and beat Mike Menzter..
Bigger than Franco Colombo(with not legs) beating a perfect Danny Padilla and a better Platz?
Bigger than Dorian beating a number of candidates in the 90's.. '97 being the year when Nasser was robbed blind.
2007 Mr. Olympia was the biggest screw job ever.. Wolf was Mr. Olympia outright..
He had size, proportion, a pleasing look.. Even people like Crotch could appreciate a freak like Wolf.
I am digusted... I found out the results yesterday and seeing the pictures and all, to me it was just another blow to the IFBB. I mean who in their right state would pick Jay over Wolf? And if you fucking dare, then please explain with pictures for comparisons..
Wolf doesn't have great proportion , see his calves to his quads and his forearms to his biceps/triceps and couple that with a long torso , however he does have great symmetry in the context of great clavicle width , naturally small waist & hips and small joints , but he has glaring flaws , does he have a aesthetically pleasing physique ? yes great proportion? NO was he going to win the entire show? NO he will with improvements but his place is pretty fair he could have placed ahead of Ronnie.
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Dude i was there and wolf looked amazing, and during the pose down he never left jays side and went pose for pose with him, and jay beat him on just about every pose. Dont get me wrong i love wolf, but he did not deserve to win the show(Next year will be a different story). Wolf should have placed one spot higher, and come in fourth
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Wolf got screwed.
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Wolf got robbed, period. >:(
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Wolf doesn't have great proportion , see his calves to his quads and his forearms to his biceps/triceps and couple that with a long torso , however he does have great symmetry in the context of great clavicle width , naturally small waist & hips and small joints , but he has glaring flaws , does he have a aesthetically pleasing physique ? yes great proportion? NO was he going to win the entire show? NO he will with improvements but his place is pretty fair he could have placed ahead of Ronnie.
Oh brother...
Same old story of calves and forearms.. Calves are not an important bodypart, and his forarms are quite decent.
Didn't you say Dorian had better overall arms than Ronnie just because he had forarms more in proportion to his armsize? Of course you also said Dorian should have beaten a host of others(Ray), despite a torn bicep. Which you claimed was not even relevant because it didn't effect his mandatory poses.
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Dude i was there and wolf looked amazing, and during the pose down he never left jays side and went pose for pose with him, and jay beat him on just about every pose. Dont get me wrong i love wolf, but he did not deserve to win the show(Next year will be a different story). Wolf should have placed one spot higher, and come in fourth
In your humble opinion, or the Judge's? ::)
Perhaps Hulkster is sulking atm, but I want his presence.. Maybe he can find a new sac to chew on and keep ND at bay at the same time? We can only wish.
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In your humble opinion, or the Judge's? ::)
BOth
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Oh brother...
Same old story of calves and forearms.. Calves are not an important bodypart, and his forarms are quite decent.
Didn't you say Dorian had better overall arms than Ronnie just because he had forarms more in proportion to his armsize? Of course you also said Dorian should have beaten a host of others(Ray), despite a torn bicep. Which you claimed was not even relevant because it didn't effect his mandatory poses.
Oh no why would calves be important ? its not like they can be seen in every single pose from every single angle ::) ontop of having poor proportion in relation to his quads his calves lack diamond shape and great development thats strike number one
His forearms are good but are they proportionate in relation to his biceps/triceps? especially when viewed in the front & rear double biceps shots? NO thats strike two
His long torso this can be a liability and it is for Wolf at the stage in the game he lacks enough back thickness especially in the lower & middle back for his massive frame this is strike three
Now let me add if he can minimize these flaws he will be Mr Olympia but he wasn't winning this show .
I said absolutely Dorian has better balance through his arms than Ronnie which is true and trust me when I tell you Shawn Ray was NEVER going to beat Dorian , just like he wasn't beating Lee Haney he was 205 pounds he wasn't competing with Yates , he was never in danger of beating Yates he was an excellent bodybuilder who despite his size & stature did very well for himself in bodybuilding , Shawn in 1994 was lucky to beat Kevin Levrone never mind Dorian Yates second/third were close FIRST wasn't
and further more the IFBB judges said Dorian's torn biceps made NO OVERALL difference to his physique and it did only hurt his front double biceps shot , the other poses it didn't effect .
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Oh no why would calves be important ? its not like they can be seen in every single pose from every single angle ::) ontop of having poor proportion in relation to his quads his calves lack diamond shape and great development thats strike number one
His forearms are good but are they proportionate in relation to his biceps/triceps? especially when viewed in the front & rear double biceps shots? NO thats strike two
His long torso this can be a liability and it is for Wolf at the stage in the game he lacks enough back thickness especially in the lower & middle back for his massive frame this is strike three
Now let me add if he can minimize these flaws he will be Mr Olympia but he wasn't winning this show .
I said absolutely Dorian has better balance through his arms than Ronnie which is true and trust me when I tell you Shawn Ray was NEVER going to beat Dorian , just like he wasn't beating Lee Haney he was 205 pounds he wasn't competing with Yates , he was never in danger of beating Yates he was an excellent bodybuilder who despite his size & stature did very well for himself in bodybuilding , Shawn in 1994 was lucky to beat Kevin Levrone never mind Dorian Yates second/third were close FIRST wasn't
and further more the IFBB judges said Dorian's torn biceps made NO OVERALL difference to his physique and it did only hurt his front double biceps shot , the other poses it didn't effect .
this meltdown's special, b/c it's Narcdeity's 2500th.
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this meltdown's special, b/c it's Narcdeity's 2500th.
Oh thanks for acknowledging you can't argue to the contrary ! ;)
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Oh no why would calves be important ? its not like they can be seen in every single pose from every single angle ::) ontop of having poor proportion in relation to his quads his calves lack diamond shape and great development thats strike number one
His forearms are good but are they proportionate in relation to his biceps/triceps? especially when viewed in the front & rear double biceps shots? NO thats strike two
His long torso this can be a liability and it is for Wolf at the stage in the game he lacks enough back thickness especially in the lower & middle back for his massive frame this is strike three
Now let me add if he can minimize these flaws he will be Mr Olympia but he wasn't winning this show .
I said absolutely Dorian has better balance through his arms than Ronnie which is true and trust me when I tell you Shawn Ray was NEVER going to beat Dorian , just like he wasn't beating Lee Haney he was 205 pounds he wasn't competing with Yates , he was never in danger of beating Yates he was an excellent bodybuilder who despite his size & stature did very well for himself in bodybuilding , Shawn in 1994 was lucky to beat Kevin Levrone never mind Dorian Yates second/third were close FIRST wasn't
and further more the IFBB judges said Dorian's torn biceps made NO OVERALL difference to his physique and it did only hurt his front double biceps shot , the other poses it didn't effect .
I agree
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Oh no why would calves be important ? its not like they can be seen in every single pose from every single angle ::) ontop of having poor proportion in relation to his quads his calves lack diamond shape and great development thats strike number one
His forearms are good but are they proportionate in relation to his biceps/triceps? especially when viewed in the front & rear double biceps shots? NO thats strike two
His long torso this can be a liability and it is for Wolf at the stage in the game he lacks enough back thickness especially in the lower & middle back for his massive frame this is strike three
Now let me add if he can minimize these flaws he will be Mr Olympia but he wasn't winning this show .
I said absolutely Dorian has better balance through his arms than Ronnie which is true and trust me when I tell you Shawn Ray was NEVER going to beat Dorian , just like he wasn't beating Lee Haney he was 205 pounds he wasn't competing with Yates , he was never in danger of beating Yates he was an excellent bodybuilder who despite his size & stature did very well for himself in bodybuilding , Shawn in 1994 was lucky to beat Kevin Levrone never mind Dorian Yates second/third were close FIRST wasn't
and further more the IFBB judges said Dorian's torn biceps made NO OVERALL difference to his physique and it did only hurt his front double biceps shot , the other poses it didn't effect .
Wolf's tight midsection more than makes up for his mediocre calves and forearms.
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Dennis Wolf has the BEST physique on the planet.
There is no such thing as a PERFECT physique.
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Wolf's tight midsection more than makes up for his mediocre calves and forearms.
According to who? you? those are relatively minor but they can separate a winner from a loser , his biggest liability is not enough size in his back for his large frame , if contests were judges solely on aesthetics Wolf would be a multiple Mr Olympia , however they're not .
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Dennis Wolf has the BEST physique on the planet.
There is no such thing as a PERFECT physique.
The best physique on the planet? lol no there is no much thing as a ' perfect ' physique but he has flaws that are keeping him from winning it all !
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According to who? you? those are relatively minor but they can separate a winner from a loser , his biggest liability is not enough size in his back for his large frame , if contests were judges solely on aesthetics Wolf would be a multiple Mr Olympia , however they're not .
Your long answers make me smile ;D
But I like Wolf more than Cutler still.
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The best physique on the planet? lol no there is no much thing as a ' perfect ' physique but he has flaws that are keeping him from winning it all !
ND, who has the best physique? You can't possibly approve of that mess that Cutler displayed at the Olympia.
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According to who? you? those are relatively minor but they can separate a winner from a loser , his biggest liability is not enough size in his back for his large frame , if contests were judges solely on aesthetics Wolf would be a multiple Mr Olympia , however they're not .
Are you sure you're looking at the same photo as the rest of us?
Because he doesn't have a blocky physique, he shouldn't be given consideration for the Olympia title??
Are you guys serious?!
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Your long answers make me smile ;D
But I like Wolf more than Cutler still.
I like Wolf's physique more than Cutlers absolutely but that doesn't mean he beat Jay , I feel his placing was good he could have absolutely replaced Ronnie in forth but he wasn't winning that whole show.
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ND, who has the best physique? You can't possibly approve of that mess that Cutler displayed at the Olympia.
I think that Victor could have beat Jay I wouldn't have batted an eyelash ! does Wolf has a more pleasing physique from an aesthetics standpoint? yes absolutely does that mean he should win? Cutler doesn't win because he's aesthetic he wins for the same reason Ronnie won he is the biggest and ( not at this contest ) best conditioned at that weight
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I like Wolf's physique more than Cutlers absolutely but that doesn't mean he beat Jay , I feel his placing was good he could have absolutely replaced Ronnie in forth but he wasn't winning that whole show.
Well Jay won and thats all that matters really. SO he actually is the better man. Sadly.
Jay is quite a beast.
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Are you sure you're looking at the same photo as the rest of us?
Because he doesn't have a blocky physique, he shouldn't be given consideration for the Olympia title??
Are you guys serious?!
He should be considered for the Olympia when he works on his flaws , the calves and proportion are minor compared to his back and his conditioning and with a great structure he looks big but he needs a tad more size
Jay doesn't win because he looks like Wolf , Jay wins because he;s the biggest and relatively speaking best conditioned and he has good balance & proportion .
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Well Jay won and thats all that matters really. SO he actually is the better man. Sadly.
Jay is quite a beast.
Well there is criteria and Jay meet it better than his fellow competitors ! what wins contest these days is who is the biggest and best condition , everything else is secondary however but they can come into play depending on how close a contest is
I watched the Olympia and I thought it was between Jay & Victor it could have went either way and they choose Jay , I wouldn't have complained if Jay was second .
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There is no way Jay should have won that show.
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Jay doesn't win because he looks like Wolf , Jay wins because he;s the biggest and relatively speaking best conditioned and he has good balance & proportion . Muscletech paid for that trophy, dammit! >:(
Fixed.
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According to who? you? those are relatively minor but they can separate a winner from a loser , his biggest liability is not enough size in his back for his large frame , if contests were judges solely on aesthetics Wolf would be a multiple Mr Olympia , however they're not .
Yeah. I get it.
Wolf has below average calves. And his forearm aren't Rosbo. Therefore he's relegated to 5th.
Cutler has a blocky waist, making him look Atwoodish, probably closing in on 40 inches, and was smooth all over.
But I guess those are just minor flaws, definitely not anything that should jeopardize his well-deserved 2nd Sandow. ::)
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Well there is criteria and Jay meet it better than his fellow competitors ! what wins contest these days is who is the biggest and best condition , everything else is secondary however but they can come into play depending on how close a contest is
I watched the Olympia and I thought it was between Jay & Victor it could have went either way and they choose Jay , I wouldn't have complained if Jay was second .
WHen they went pose for pose in the pose down jay had wolf all the way
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Martinez and Wolf looked better. Jay got a gift. Wolf stole the show. That is obvious and those photos don't lie.
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WHen they went pose for pose in the pose down jay had wolf all the way
Are you crazy? Did you see the same pics I did, or are you just blind?
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Yeah. I get it.
Wolf has below average calves. And his forearm aren't Rosbo. Therefore he's relegated to 5th.
Cutler has a blocky waist, making him look Atwoodish, probably closing in on 40 inches, and was smooth all over.
But I guess those are just minor flaws, definitely not anything that should jeopardize his well-deserved 2nd Sandow. ::)
Wolf's major flaw is not enough back size for his frame , the others are minor ! and Jay's always been blocky he doesn't win because he's aesthetic and his conditioning was off but improved he squeaked out a close call to VICTOR not Dennis
If contests were judged on aesthetics I'd place Wolf ahead of Vic & Jay but there are other criteria.
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Hey, Goatboy, between No shame Goodrum and Jay supporters this place is crazy.
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Are you crazy? Did you see the same pics I did, or are you just blind?
NO i saw the show in person those are the photos from prejudging. I was 40ft away from them during the pose down and jay took it
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Wolf's major flaw is not enough back size for his frame , the others are minor ! and Jay's always been blocky he doesn't win because he's aesthetic and his conditioning was off but improved he squeaked out a close call to VICTOR not Dennis
If contests were judged on aesthetics I'd place Wolf ahead of Vic & Jay but there are other criteria.
ND you act like Wolf is small. he dwarfs Jay. Wolf is the best combination of size, condition, symmetry and aesthetics.
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Wolf doesn't have great proportion , see his calves to his quads and his forearms to his biceps/triceps and couple that with a long torso , however he does have great symmetry in the context of great clavicle width , naturally small waist & hips and small joints , but he has glaring flaws , does he have a aesthetically pleasing physique ? yes great proportion? NO was he going to win the entire show? NO he will with improvements but his place is pretty fair he could have placed ahead of Ronnie.
Is it me or is ND the most delusional person that posts on getbig?
I mean, what does it take for him to see the truth? A guy with 1 arm wins the Mr O in 94 and he somehow justifies it. this year, a guy that is clearly carrying fat, water, and has obvious site injections wins and he still somehow rationalizes how said bodybuilder is better than a guy that showed up with more than enough mass and ripped to the gills.
I feel like he would rationalize how Will Harris was justified first place if the judges saw it that way. ND is a joke
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ND you act like Wolf is small. he dwarfs Jay. Wolf is the best combination of size, condition, symmetry and aesthetics.
No in some poses he dwarfs Jay in other he doesn't ! he's 250 pounds at 5'11" and Jay is 5'9" and weighs 270+ pounds , Wolf has a great combo but he's still not where he needs to be to be Mr Olympia.
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Is is ND the most delusional person that posts on getbig?
He's second. Vince G still holds the title.
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Is it me or is ND the most delusional person that posts on getbig?
I mean, what does it take for him to see the truth? A guy with 1 arm wins the Mr O in 94 and he somehow justifies it. this year, a guy that is clearly carrying fat, water, and has obvious site injections wins and he still somehow rationalizes how said bodybuilder is better than a guy that showed up with more than enough mass and ripped to the gills.
I feel like he would rationalize how Will Harris was justified first place if the judges saw it that way. ND is a joke
Delusional is thinking Wolf won the Mr Olympia period . and NO Dorian didn't have ' 1 arms ' in 1994 he had 1 bicep shorter than the other and he tore his bicep it wasn't his greatest bodypart to begin with so I don't have to justify him winning in 1994 it was NO contest in 1994 Shawn Ray himself said he got the place he deserved and in fact he was quite lucky to be placed in second ahead of Levrone .
I never said Jay wasn't off or shouldn't have lost I said he could have traded positions with Victor and no one would have really complained however Wolf was far from beating Dex , Victor or Jay , although he could have replaced Ronnie in fourth.
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He's second. Vince G still holds the title.
But then again, if IFBB judges were picking, he'd probably get 6th! ;D
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David Paul broke it down the best,
"That building is thicker than the Luxor, but which building looks better?"
Bodybuilding is about appearance, not the scale
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No in some poses he dwarfs Jay in other he doesn't ! he's 250 pounds at 5'11" and Jay is 5'9" and weighs 270+ pounds , Wolf has a great combo but he's still not where he needs to be to be Mr Olympia.
Wolf weighed 270 lbs at the Olympia.
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wolf's major flaw NOT enough back for his frame ( among proportion ) his massive delts and bicep/triceps dominate this pose , his quads dominate his calves , does it look aesthetically pleasing? yes however contests are judged by muscular bulk , muscular density , conditioning , and balance & proportion
Wolf is like Paul Dillett in this respect very wide back but needs enough back to fill out his frame , look at a 275 pound Paul his back doesn't even look any bigger than a 205 pound Shawn Ray who is NOT know for his great width remind you
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If this turns into another "Hulkster Truce" thread I'm gonna puke. >:(
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Wolf weighed 270 lbs at the Olympia.
Where did you get that weight from? and even if thats the case Jay is shorter at the same weight !
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Wolf just needs to....
Bring up his biceps, calves
Add more density to upper back
tighten lower back.
All obtainable....& could be done before next years O
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wolf's major flaw NOT enough back for his frame ( among proportion ) his massive delts and bicep/triceps dominate this pose , his quads dominate his calves , does it look aesthetically pleasing? yes however contests are judged by muscular bulk , muscular density , conditioning , and balance & proportion
Wolf is like Paul Dillett in this respect very wide back but needs enough back to fill out his frame , look at a 275 pound Paul his back doesn't even look any bigger than a 205 pound Shawn Ray who is NOT know for his great width remind you
Wolf might not have the best back, but comparing it to dillet's back is a joke. What would be considered an informal fallacey of a Straw man argument.
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Wolf just needs to....
Bring up his biceps, calves
Add more density to upper back
tighten lower back.
All obtainable....& could be done before next years O
I agree he needs some improvements before he claims the title he has loads of potential but I mean everyone is getting ahead of themselves saying he should have won , I mean seriously.
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uh........
Wolf won the Olympia....its just that simple....
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Where did you get that weight from? and even if thats the case Jay is shorter at the same weight !
From a video on MD. Jay carries that extra weight all in his waist too.
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I agree he needs some improvements before he claims the title he has loads of potential but I mean everyone is getting ahead of themselves saying he should have won , I mean seriously.
I think....
the reason why....is because jay was so off....Dennis looked better by comparison
Lets not even talk about Victor. Victor was w/o a doubt more on than Jay. The competition should have been Victor vs Wolf
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I think....
the reason why....is because jay was so off....Dennis looked better by comparison
Lets not even talk about Victor. Victor was w/o a doubt more on than Jay. The competition should have been Victor vs Wolf
Exactly. We're not comparing Wolf to Jay's best-ever condition, we're comparing them as they presented at this year's O, and in this case, Wolf wins.
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Wolf had more than enough back to hang with Jay. Even if Jay wins the back shots Wolf crushes him on other shots.
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I think....
the reason why....is because jay was so off....Dennis looked better by comparison
Lets not even talk about Victor. Victor was w/o a doubt more on than Jay. The competition should have been Victor vs Wolf
The thing that saved Jay's ass was his size he was the biggest not the best but his conditioning was improved as the prejudging progressed if Victor had noticeably better conditioning he would have won easy , I think Vic could won and Jay been second but Wolf's conditioning wasn't 100% either he wasn't moving past a very sharp Dexter Jackson , although I would have placed Wolf above Ronnie.
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Wolf will be 2008 Mr. O.
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Wolf will be 2008 Mr. O.
Victor should win before Wolf does. I don't get the Wolf hype.
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Think about what you guys are saying. Wolf has flaws. Lets pick the lesser of 2 evils here;
Jay blocky physique
40 in waist
Not condition
Holding water
Left shoulder not right
Talk about flaws. Compare that to no calve or forearms. Even at local show i see giants get smoked by light weights because they lacked condition.
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If he gets a muscle tech and a weider contract he will win the O
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I'm not seeing Jay as the biggest, despite his weight! Wolf dwarfed him and was in way better condition! I think he has enough back and what he does have was better defined than Jay and more detailed so Wolf takes it!
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Wolf is like Ruhl with quality muscle.
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Jay was heavier becuase he was fat, holding water, and has a 40 inch waist
ND's syphilis must be so fargone it's rotted his brain beyond repair
a shame, that . . .
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Wolf doesn't have great proportion , see his calves to his quads and his forearms to his biceps/triceps and couple that with a long torso , however he does have great symmetry in the context of great clavicle width , naturally small waist & hips and small joints , but he has glaring flaws , does he have a aesthetically pleasing physique ? yes great proportion? NO was he going to win the entire show? NO he will with improvements but his place is pretty fair he could have placed ahead of Ronnie.
I normally agree with most of your posts as they make sense. With your Mr. O assesement I strongly disagree though. First off I was in the audience and you were not by your own admittance. What saved Jay was the fact that he was NOT compared to Dennis. In person Dennis looked even more impressive and superior on stage as the photos depict. Same thing with Dorian, photos or videos never did the man full justice. Dennis dominated Cutler (top 6 posedown made that more than obvious) and he totally destroyed Coleman during their pre-judging comparison. It makes no sense to single out certain body parts. What matters is how the entire physique compares on that day with someone else. Dennis was much more impressive than Cutler and a pre-judging callout would have made that painfully obvious.
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Wolf should have placed 4th over ronnie, nothing above that though. Just because he is tall and big makes a bodybuilder not. It takes proportion.
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Wolf should have placed 4th over ronnie, nothing above that though. Just because he is tall and big makes a bodybuilder not. It takes proportion.
He doesn't have proportion? ::)
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I normally agree with most of your posts as they make sense. With your Mr. O assesement I strongly disagree though. First off I was in the audience and you were not by your own admittance. What saved Jay was the fact that he was NOT compared to Dennis. In person Dennis looked even more impressive and superior on stage as the photos depict. Same thing with Dorian, photos or videos never did the man full justice. Dennis dominated Cutler (top 6 posedown made that more than obvious) and he totally destroyed Coleman during their pre-judging comparison. It makes no sense to single out certain body parts. What matters is how the entire physique compares on that day with someone else. Dennis was much more impressive than Cutler and a pre-judging callout would have made that painfully obvious.
Dude Cutler destroyed him in the top 6 pose down