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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Topic started by: Fatpanda on March 30, 2009, 04:44:09 AM
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
Fatpanda
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And you are? ;D
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I thought you were going to apologise for being obese
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And you are? ;D
Fatpanda :D
I thought you were going to apologise for being obese
Okami, I sense you are an angry man, perhaps i have added to this anger with my ownings of you.
i hope you find an inner peace, and realise islam is not evil.
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I hope you are well LM.
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this is harder than i thought.
in the past 5 mins i've read posts that i was desperate to type something funny/insulting to own them. :-\
hopefully it will get easier as time passes.
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this is harder than i thought.
in the past 5 mins i've read posts that i was desperate to type something funny/insulting to own them. :-\
hopefully it will get easier as time passes.
Life as an unemployed fat glaswegian is how you roll brotha...
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So basically I can say tons of nasty things to you without any repercussions? :D
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Life as an unemployed fat glaswegian is how you roll brotha...
So basically I can say tons of nasty things to you without any repercussions? :D
i believe this answers your comments guys:
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Ah your not a bad guy I guess,I think there are similarities between us,except I am Body approved for sexual purposes with girls
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I thought you were going to apologise for being obese
x2. That is way more upsetting than your "owning."
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x2. That is way more upsetting than your "owning."
i'm not obese though, if i were and it offended you i would.
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so you are experiencing regret and confusion
probably followed by remorse and penitence
look it's just growing up, evolving, you'll be back at your old ways again, from time to time, but with a higher understanding
and karma is all in your head, part of your belief system. superstition of one form of another is part genetic.
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I have told many that they look like shit, when they looked like shit, despite never posting a pic of myself.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
DK
(thanks to fatpanda, seriously i was thinking about a similar thread from yesterday on. I got a little freaked that so many guys here seem to take a lot of stuff happening on getbig very personal, and from all the online flaming and shittalking apart, i don't really want people to be upset in real life and i also don't want people to be angry with some online account, and putting all that is said on getbig to the real person behind that.)
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(http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/d/dynamitekid/10.jpg)
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so you are experiencing regret and confusion
probably followed by remorse and penitence
look it's just growing up, evolving, you'll be back at your old ways again, from time to time, but with a higher understanding
and karma is all in your head, part of your belief system. superstition of one form of another is part genetic.
;D
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people on here get so touchy
but your a good man donkey kong.
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i accept your apology, panda.
sorry that i was fighting with you on the topic of overtraining and giant sets. Let's be friends again.
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so you are experiencing regret and confusion
probably followed by remorse and penitence
look it's just growing up, evolving, you'll be back at your old ways again, from time to time, but with a higher understanding
and karma is all in your head, part of your belief system. superstition of one form of another is part genetic.
some profound words there rami, i appreciate your input.
I disagree with the karma thoughts though, as i believe there must be some purpose for us, some reason to exist beyond the rat race.
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Its all fun and games Donkey,I like being nice to the good guys here and I like the vibe I get off the site,its more personal than any other board,so maybe thats why things go too far from time to time,ps Donkey if myself and the Gf go to Germany later this year i'll give you a shout
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please, if you suffer from superstition, be it karma, religion or other. learn to reason above it and be rational.
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i accept your apology, panda.
sorry that i was fighting with you on the topic of overtraining and giant sets. Let's be friends again.
Thank you DK, I appreciate that, and would very much like to be friends again.
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I have told many that they look like shit, when they looked like shit, despite never posting a pic of myself.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
DK
(thanks to fatpanda, seriously i was thinking about a similar thread from yesterday on. I got a little freaked that so many guys here seem to take a lot of stuff happening on getbig very personal, and from all the online flaming and shittalking apart, i don't really want people to be upset in real life and i also don't want people to be angry with some online account, and putting all that is said on getbig to the real person behind that.)
Great post by a great poster.
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i'm not obese though, if i were and it offended you i would.
Isn't that your pic? If it is then yes you are obese and I am extremely offended.
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please, if you suffer from superstition, be it karma, religion or other. learn to reason above it and be rational.
can you explain to me why we are here? what is the meaning of life?
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can you explain to me why we are here? what is the meaning of life?
actually if you make people happy you feel a lot better yourself.
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Isn't that your pic? If it is then yes you are obese and I am extremely offended.
its just the colours of the chair and jacket make me look fatter than i am - although i am clearly not slim either, i am sorry if my plumpness offends you.
I am currently trying to rectify the situation.
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Its all fun and games Donkey,I like being nice to the good guys here and I like the vibe I get off the site,its more personal than any other board,so maybe thats why things go too far from time to time,ps Donkey if myself and the Gf go to Germany later this year i'll give you a shout
Oh really? Where will you be?
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its just the colours of the chair and jacket make me look fatter than i am - although i am clearly not slim either, i am sorry if my plumpness offends you.
I am currently trying to rectify the situation.
;D
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actually if you make people happy you feel a lot better yourself.
i agree, if you look through history at great holy men the greatest and most enlightened all focussed on loving kindness.
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i agree, if you look through history at great holy men the greatest and most enlightened all focussed on loving kindness.
Like Hitler and Atilla the Hun.
;D ;D
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We plan on going somewhere maybe October and we went to Paris last year so maybe Germany this year,nothing confirmed yet
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We plan on going somewhere maybe October and we went to Paris last year so maybe Germany this year,nothing confirmed yet
okay cool. I'll keep it in mind.
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Like Hitler and Atilla the Hun.
;D ;D
mara offered buddha the rule of the world during his enlightenment, yet he refused.
hitler and atilla were great motivators and powerful spiritual beings - just imagine the good they could have done if they had not chosen war. I also wonder if they could have reached enlightenment if they were not corrupted by power.
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mara offered buddha the rule of the world during his enlightenment, yet he refused.
hitler and atilla were great motivators and powerful spiritual beings - just imagine the good they could have done if they had not chosen war. I also wonder if they could have reached enlightenment if they were not corrupted by power.
"enlightment" as an achievement is just an illusion. you are already fully enlighted right now in this moment, you just fail to see it.
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
Fatpanda
you should audition for the role of a fat Al Capone in the new Untouchables 2. ;D
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
Fatpanda
Postcount looking shabby there...
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you should audition for the role of a fat Al Capone in the new Untouchables 2. ;D
well, you wouldn't look to shabby yourself as Al Capone!
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This thread is a disgusting display of how you now take this message board way too seriously as do those you supposedly own.
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"enlightment" as an achievement is just an illusion. you are already fully enlighted right now in this moment, you just fail to see it.
i agree, the water needs to settle ;)
Postcount looking shabby there...
quality not quantity ;)
you should audition for the role of a fat Al Capone in the new Untouchables 2. ;D
thanks for your input david, i feel your pain. However I believe you have strayed from the path, i would like to help you get back on it, and be happy again.
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i agree, the water needs to settle ;)
quality not quantity ;)
thanks for your input david, i feel your pain. However I believe you have strayed from the path, i would like to help you get back on it, and be happy again.
hahahahaa, the only thing it looks like you could do is help someone eat some pizza. :D
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hahahahaa, the only thing it looks like you could do is help someone eat some pizza. :D
well i would like to try regardless, i think inside you lies a sad and unhappy man. You use insults as a way to feel love and make people laugh. I believe you feel that to make 10 people happy its ok to make 1 person sad.
i will try to guide you to happiness david, you will feel better in the long run.
karma came back to you in a big way on this board, but i think it will make you a better man in the long run.
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well i would like to try regardless, i think inside you lies a sad and unhappy man. You use insults as a way to feel love and make people laugh. I believe you feel that to make 10 people happy its ok to make 1 person sad.
i will try to guide you to happiness david, you will feel better in the long run.
karma came back to you in a big way on this board, but i think it will make you a better man in the long run.
;D
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hahahahaa, the only thing it looks like you could do is help someone eat some pizza. :D
Why don't you try and write something nice and experience how great it feels!
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Dude looks like Vinnie Stigma from that blurry photo
(http://blog.sailorjerry.com/images/display/581blog_agnosticfrontfeatur.jpg)
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(http://www.breaktaker.com/albums/pictures/signs/Bump.jpg)
I'm sorry Keith!!!
I'm sorry Sebastian!!!
I'm sorry Dave!!!
I'm sorry Adam!!!
:'( :'( :'( :'(
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Dude looks like Vinnie Stigma from that blurry photo
(http://blog.sailorjerry.com/images/display/581blog_agnosticfrontfeatur.jpg)
he is a handsome fellow.
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yes it's a good thread :)
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yes it's a good thread too :)
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yes it's a good thread too :)
btw, you look great, did i ever tell you?
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btw, you look great, did i ever tell you?
Thanks brah, you too! ;D
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Thanks brah, you too! ;D
I'm doing my best! ;D ;D
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yes it's a good thread :)
thank you wave, i have finally saw the error of my ways. Ways that you pointed out to me long ago, but was too stuborn to see.
thank you for taking the time to help me get back on the path, hopefully i can return the favour some way.
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i believe this is the start of a golden age of loving kindness on getbig, that may engulf the world 8)
every fire starts with a spark.........
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If you can get in the mind of atleast 1 obese persons head and convince them to lose the weight or off themselves then it will all have been worth it and your karma restored. We all know god hates fat people, that's why he makes them so ugly with a total lack of willpower to do anything about it.
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Maybe people shouldn't get so much sand in their vaginas.
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Great thread by one of Getbig's greatest posters. This seriously brightened my day - thank you!
Fatpanda also looking large and in charge as usual in his 56" blazer! It's only hard to see a v-taper in that pic since suit-jackets flare out that way when raising one's arms, otherwise FP is a a lean mean pussy wrecking machine, and probably best of all has a great, embracing attitude with no hate.
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post a pic or 'you' didn't happen
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(http://www.pandafix.com/pandafix/images/untitled_1_1.jpg)
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42035000/jpg/_42035564_gal_panda5.jpg)
(http://www.pandapaws.org/images/353_Pandas_like_to_play_too.jpg)
(http://www.northrup.org/photos/crap/Animals/low/panda-in-tree-2.jpg)
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Great thread by one of Getbig's greatest posters. This seriously brightened my day - thank you!
Fatpanda also looking large and in charge as usual in his 56" blazer! It's only hard to see a v-taper in that pic since suit-jackets flare out that way when raising one's arms, otherwise FP is a a lean mean pussy wrecking machine, and probably best of all has a great, embracing attitude with no hate.
thank you for the kind words bobs - coming from a man of your caliber i feel truely honoured :)
p.s. how did you get my private pics :D
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thank you wave, i have finally saw the error of my ways. Ways that you pointed out to me long ago, but was too stuborn to see.
thank you for taking the time to help me get back on the path, hopefully i can return the favour some way.
Hahahaha, I'm happy if I could help in any way. I'm just a pretender, don't mind me. ;D
You have already returned the favour, no debt left. :)
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post a pic or 'you' didn't happen
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Are you saying i don't even exist in my own imagination? :'( :'(
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post a pic or 'you' didn't happen
KNICK-KNACK!!
(http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/movies/slideshow/bondstills1962-77/img_45.jpg)
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kyomu enjoyed tapas with you, but he just enjoyed looking at them !
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kyomu enjoyed tapas with you, but he just enjoyed looking at them !
I felt sorry for him, but to be honest his tuna with lettuce looked pretty good. I don't think it was a problem, and i promised to make it up when he comes to germany.
Food on my bill, and i hope for him he will be bulking then. ;D ;D
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donkey kong is a great guy
i'm happy to live in a land in which this guy was born and raised
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donkey kong is a great guy
i'm happy to live in a land in which this guy was born and raised
:'( :'( :'(
Thank you very much for the kind words!!
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DonkeyKong for President of Getbig!
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DonkeyKong for President of Getbig!
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Haha love the pic ;D
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meeting another getbigger (not exactly to stalk him or have a cage fight) and getting positive feedback from both sides is always a good sign of decency
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Haha love the pic ;D
;D ;D
How 'bout this? I always loved Garfield.
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I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
DK
(thanks to fatpanda, seriously i was thinking about a similar thread from yesterday on. I got a little freaked that so many guys here seem to take a lot of stuff happening on getbig very personal, and from all the online flaming and shittalking apart, i don't really want people to be upset in real life and i also don't want people to be angry with some online account, and putting all that is said on getbig to the real person behind that.)
(http://pukaseries.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/mynameisearl_main.jpg)
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Thanks for your participation, i appreciate your concern.
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;D ;D
How 'bout this? I always loved Garfield.
Those eyes are mesmerizing 8)
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Thanks for your participation, i appreciate your concern.
I don't mean to make light of your newfound resolve. I'm just pimping the show.
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Are you saying i don't even exist in my own imagination? :'( :'(
Thats the return to Tao. ;)
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I have told many that they look like shit, when they looked like shit, despite never posting a pic of myself.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
DK
(thanks to fatpanda, seriously i was thinking about a similar thread from yesterday on. I got a little freaked that so many guys here seem to take a lot of stuff happening on getbig very personal, and from all the online flaming and shittalking apart, i don't really want people to be upset in real life and i also don't want people to be angry with some online account, and putting all that is said on getbig to the real person behind that.)
There is nothing like quitting cocain... ;D
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oh brother who has fatpanada and donkynuts "owned"? last i checked Fatpanda was getting destroyed all over the place a month or two back but claims he owned almost all of getbig in that thread ::) and Donkykong looks so bad he will not even post a pic after a million posts bashing other people.
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Thanks for your participation, i appreciate your concern.
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oh brother who has fatpanada and donkynuts "owned"? last i checked Fatpanda was getting destroyed all over the place a month or two back but claims he owned almost all of getbig in that thread ::) and Donkykong looks so bad he will not even post a pic after a million posts bashing other people.
thanks for your input big_sti, i feel your pain and i'm sorry for any offence caused.
also while you are typing perhaps you could post a pic of yourself, this is not to own you or anything, as i'm sure you look great weather you are a tiny tit or a muscle bear, but because it would be the correct thing to do. You do not need to hide behind a gimmick account.
i respect you.
whatever you decide i wish you well, as a gimmick you are quite funny, but you should get the credit on your main account.
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FATPANDA = Squadfather :o
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FATPANDA = Squadfather :o
squadfather is not me. He is a great character on getbig, but i fear he is suffering inside.
I will try to help him anyway i can, as i will with any getbigers who need or want it.
how are you on this fine morning bench?
thats a great avatar you have in paul anderson - a god in he strength world. i have his book, although i havn't found the time to read it yet. Have you read it ?
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hey panda we never really had a problem but my heart is open to start a new friendship
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squadfather is not me. He is a great character on getbig, but i fear he is suffering inside.
I will try to help him anyway i can, as i will with any getbigers who need or want it.
how are you on this fine morning bench?
thats a great avatar you have in paul anderson - a god in he strength world. i have his book, although i havn't found the time to read it yet. Have you read it ?
no sir, just read online articles about him though... some things sound amazing... i have trouble believing them but who knows
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TEAM FAT PANDA
:D
(http://www.ilifeidea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/panda.jpg)
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hey panda we never really had a problem but my heart is open to start a new friendship
great benz, i have always liked your no nonsense, ruthless ownings and like you say we have never had any problems.
I would be honoured to call you friend. 8)
TEAM FAT PANDA
:D
(http://www.ilifeidea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/panda.jpg)
you 2 bench 8)
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great benz, i have always liked your no nonsense, ruthless ownings and like you say we have never had any problems.
I would be honoured to call you friend. 8)
you 2 bench 8)
you've got a friend :)
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
Fatpanda
It needs a real man to say “sorry”!!.. great words form a great guy..
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no sir, just read online articles about him though... some things sound amazing... i have trouble believing them but who knows
his mentor was a guy called bob peoples, i have his book also ( not read it properly either yet ). he deadlifted 700lbs i believe, from what i read his strength training was so simple too. It was from bob that paul used the partials at much heavier weights - the book static strength uses this technique, as does many powerlifting teams.
if i get some time, i wil scan some pics from the books for you and getbig 8)
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It needs a real man to say “sorry”!!.. great words form a great guy..
thanks as always Sherief, coming from a great guy like yourself that means a lot to me 8)
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heres a few pics from the books that i found on google
2400lbs + 2 girls :o
(http://www.straighttothebar.com/images/posts/080113_paulanderson.jpg)
bob deadlifting 725lbs at a weight of 180lbs :o all drug free :o
(http://www.functionalhandstrength.com/images9/bob_peoples.gif)
his dungeon gym :o
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YyoU0unwdog/RuvY4gw6jpI/AAAAAAAAAHU/cBSiOcz1aj8/s320/Peoples-gym-scan2.jpg)
bob invented the power rack too.
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im guilty of feeding in to the bullshit a year or so ago on here,i would get so upset if someone was being a dick and obnoxious.now i just laugh at it cause most stuff people post is deeply exaggerated if not total bullshit.i dont know about you guys but i got enough stuff to worry about in my everyday life then to worry about if guys on getbig dont approve of my opinions.take these gossip and opinions boards for what theyre worth,its a great place to come and have afew laughs and read some juicy gossip.dont let it make you blow a gasket brothers,to be honest,last year i stayed off these boards for a year or so cause i was getting caught up in the bullshit,letting peoples posts bother me enough to where i just said fukk it,im not gonna read it anymore.i must say that alot of you guys where very good posters and had positive and informitive stuff to contribute,but alot of guys just seemed to hang around the boards looking for someone to debate with and argue with.no one forces anyone to read these boards,if the boards get to some people that much maybe its time for some people to take a break like i took
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fat panda
whats type or routine did he use?
like an example of a routine
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im guilty of feeding in to the bullshit a year or so ago on here,i would get so upset if someone was being a dick and obnoxious.now i just laugh at it cause most stuff people post is deeply exaggerated if not total bullshit.i dont know about you guys but i got enough stuff to worry about in my everyday life then to worry about if guys on getbig dont approve of my opinions.take these gossip and opinions boards for what theyre worth,its a great place to come and have afew laughs and read some juicy gossip.dont let it make you blow a gasket brothers,to be honest,last year i stayed off these boards for a year or so cause i was getting caught up in the bullshit,letting peoples posts bother me enough to where i just said fukk it,im not gonna read it anymore.i must say that alot of you guys where very good posters and had positive and informitive stuff to contribute,but alot of guys just seemed to hang around the boards looking for someone to debate with and argue with.no one forces anyone to read these boards,if the boards get to some people that much maybe its time for some people to take a break like i took
Thanks for the king words, gracie bj, you are a quality poster! If you would start adding columns, i would read your posts as well.
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im guilty of feeding in to the bullshit a year or so ago on here,i would get so upset if someone was being a dick and obnoxious.now i just laugh at it cause most stuff people post is deeply exaggerated if not total bullshit.i dont know about you guys but i got enough stuff to worry about in my everyday life then to worry about if guys on getbig dont approve of my opinions.take these gossip and opinions boards for what theyre worth,its a great place to come and have afew laughs and read some juicy gossip.dont let it make you blow a gasket brothers,to be honest,last year i stayed off these boards for a year or so cause i was getting caught up in the bullshit,letting peoples posts bother me enough to where i just said fukk it,im not gonna read it anymore.i must say that alot of you guys where very good posters and had positive and informitive stuff to contribute, but alot of guys just seemed to hang around the boards looking for someone to debate with and argue with.no one forces anyone to read these boards,if the boards get to some people that much maybe its time for some people to take a break like i took
i'm sad to say, that was me :(
no more though :)
fat panda
whats type or routine did he use?
like an example of a routine
he believes in starting an exercise with 1 or 2 reps then sticking with the weight untill you get 5-6 only then would he increase the weight. i can't remember how many sets, ( i'm in the process of moving, and have boxed up all my books, so i can't check just now)
he also believed in extremely heavy partials, so for deadlift he would work in the top 2 inches of the movement, then slowly over the next few workouts increase the range by a few inches each time untill he could lift the weight full range for reps. He invented the power rack to help him with this. his book actually has the scematics for the rack he made 8) ( as you can see from the pics above , paul anderson used these partials too).
i really believe that they were drug free, so when you think about the weight they moved its mind blowing.
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can you explain to me why we are here? what is the meaning of life?
Even if there is a meaning of life, it doesn't matter because we will never know it during this existence, any way. You might think you can be told the meaning of life, but no one would trust an explanation 100% anyway. So best thing is just forget the "meaning of life", it's a waste of time.
But instead a logical way of looking at it is we are just a step of the matter/energy that forms this planet is becoming conscious. We are made of the matter that makes up this planet. On a bigger scale the matter and energy of the universe slowly becoming conscious. But the reason (if there is one) is certainly not for us to know in this state, we are just another small step in how matter behaves and slowly evolve.
So I think the best is to get over your self as being anything different, special or better than anyone else, and realize everyone is in the same boat. Life ain't always perceived as easy or happy, this goes for everyone. Should be enough to want treat everyone with respect. Not because any superstition judging you, or think that you have something to gain from it, but know people don't really need extra shit and negativity in their life, it's enough what life comes with for everyone anyway.
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So I think the best is to get over your self as being anything different, special or better than anyone else, and realize everyone is in the same boat.
Does doing that make you feel all noble and virtuous on the inside to the point where you are just feeling smug from your magnanimity? No, I'm not saying be an arrogant prick and think you are smarter than everyone else, but if you are smart or better than most people in something, why not be honest, acknowledge it and pride yourself on being what / who you are?
And regardless of what you say, people are different, even though they have a lot of things in common physically, mentally, socially and in other contexts. The last thing I want to do is feel like I'm part of the mob and not have an identity that is indistinguishable from the next guy - don't see what's so saintly about such a state of mind.
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Even if there is a meaning of life, it doesn't matter because we will never know it during this existence, any way. You might think you can be told the meaning of life, but no one would trust an explanation 100% anyway. So best thing is just forget the "meaning of life", it's a waste of time.
But instead a logical way of looking at it is we are just a step of the matter/energy that forms this planet is becoming conscious. We are made of the matter that makes up this planet. On a bigger scale the matter and energy of the universe slowly becoming conscious. But the reason (if there is one) is certainly not for us to know in this state, we are just another small step in how matter behaves and slowly evolve.
So I think the best is to get over your self as being anything different, special or better than anyone else, and realize everyone is in the same boat. Life ain't always perceived as easy or happy, this goes for everyone. Should be enough to want treat everyone with respect. Not because any superstition judging you, or think that you have something to gain from it, but know people don't really need extra shit and negativity in their life, it's enough what life comes with for everyone anyway.
a few have discovered the meaning of life :) moses, buddha, jesus, mohammed, and many others. Their message is the same...............love each other.
are you claiming they are wrong? it doesn't matter?
that was my point, that is what everyone thinks - that we will never know, so so instead of looking for answers and meaning we just go on buying the latest mobile phone and watching sports on our latest plasma 62" tv.
all the while chasing money to fullfill the empty hole inside us, that can never and will never be filed with such shallow items.
in all honesty i bet the only time you can truly say you have been 100% happy/satisfied was when you have been head over heels in love with someone. To me this is what we should be striving for, as even if we don't get there we will make everyone happier in the meantime. :)
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Does doing that make you feel all noble and virtuous on the inside to the point where you are just feeling smug from your magnanimity? No, I'm not saying be an arrogant prick and think you are smarter than everyone else, but if you are smart or better than most people in something, why not be honest, acknowledge it and pride yourself on being what / who you are?
And regardless of what you say, people are different, even though they have a lot of things in common physically, mentally, socially and in other contexts. The last thing I want to do is feel like I'm part of the mob and not have an identity that is indistinguishable from the next guy - don't see what's so saintly about such a state of mind.
I fully understand what you are saying! That is certainly a valid question, really has to be asked. It's a personal choice. The point of being proud I just don't get. Or feeling special or above others for that matter. I suppose it's just up too what satisfy you in life. Can't answer it better than that. You are right, it's just my personal feeling on the subject. If you want to be proud, feel special or whatever, why not, knock your self out while it lasts!
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I'm pulling in the oars of this tiny boat,
growing weary of the rowing
and all the effort to reach some shore,
when it's not shore where I'm going
Rising with the tide, breaking with the wave,
I surrender every notion
that there is someone here to save
as if I'm separate from the ocean
Looking back, sometimes I have to laugh
What a lot of work it's been,
clinging to a sinking raft,
just to keep from falling in
So drown me in your darkest pain,
your softest kiss, your sweet despair
I've seen your face now and I know your name
And I can find you anywhere
Kirtana
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a few have discovered the meaning of life :) moses, buddha, jesus, mohammed, and many others. Their message is the same...............love each other.
are you claiming they are wrong? it doesn't matter?
that was my point, that is what everyone thinks - that we will never know, so so instead of looking for answers and meaning we just go on buying the latest mobile phone and watching sports on our latest plasma 62" tv.
all the while chasing money to fulfill the empty hole inside us, that can never and will never be filed with such shallow items.
in all honesty i bet the only time you can truly say you have been 100% happy/satisfied was when you have been head over heels in love with someone. To me this is what we should be striving for, as even if we don't get there we will make everyone happier in the meantime. :)
OK if that is the meaning of life, why is there so much other possibilities?
Why didn't universe just evolve in to consciousness in ever lasting frozen rapture of feeling this "love". Hey maybe that's where it is going? :) Pretty useless if it doesn't really work.
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I fully understand what you are saying! That is certainly a valid question, really has to be asked. It's a personal choice. The point of being proud I just don't get. Or feeling special or above others for that matter. I suppose it's just up too what satisfy you in life. Can't answer it better than that. You are right, it's just my personal feeling on the subject. If you want to be proud, feel special or whatever, why not, knock your self out while it lasts!
It's not so much a case of getting satisfaction from feeling proud for the sake of feeling proud. I'm talking about the natural state of mind at the end of some kind of accomplishment that you set out to achieve. Like for example, starting out as a stringbean who is unable to lift 225 lbs off the ground and few years later, deadlifting 500 lbs thanks to hard work, effort and persistence based on a game plan spanning years (in my case, naturally too). Then contrast yourself with other guys who go to the same gym and look the same year after year after year, due to several factors, with lack of hard work and dedication being the main ones.
Or think about making a million dollars from a business that you started from scratch, when you were at rock bottom and making it grow based solely on your game plan and sheer hard work / effort. And then contrast that with people who work the same job endlessly and hating it as well as the world and everything around them cause they fail to realize that they too play a part in their life being the way it is, and a big role at that. Again, I am aware of the fact that there are people out there who accomplish more of the same of what you have, just like someone who doesn't achieve what you did failed to do so not solely due to a fault that was all theirs - I'm just saying that if you do something worthwhile, there is nothing wrong with being happy and proud of it, as long as you don't act like a dick or assume an attitude because of it.
Just don't get the blanket "No matter who you are or what you do, realize you are no better than anyone else just because you too breath and eat and sleep like everyone else" philosophy that a lot of people seem to preach in a condescending tone. Yes, we all eat and sleep and breath like each other, but some people invent new technology while others perform heroic deeds in some way or capacity, just like some people rape and murder while others do things that are worse. So no, I don't think we are all equal and that a person who invents a cure for a disease should feel no better than another who bashes an elderly lady's skull in, so he can rob her of her money ;D
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It's not so much a case of getting satisfaction from feeling proud for the sake of feeling proud. I'm talking about the natural state of mind at the end of some kind of accomplishment that you set out to achieve. Like for example, starting out as a stringbean who is unable to lift 225 lbs off the ground and few years later, deadlifting 500 lbs thanks to hard work, effort and persistence based on a game plan spanning years (in my case, naturally too). Then contrast yourself with other guys who go to the same gym and look the same year after year after year, due to several factors, with lack of hard work and dedication being the main ones.
Or think about making a million dollars from a business that you started from scratch, when you were at rock bottom and making it grow based solely on your game plan and sheer hard work / effort. And then contrast that with people who work the same job endlessly and hating it as well as the world and everything around them cause they fail to realize they too play a part in their life being the way it is, and a big role at that. Again, I am aware of the fact that there are people out there who accomplish more of the same of what you have, just like someone who doesn't achieve what you did failed to do so not solely due to a fault that was all theirs - I'm just saying that if you do something worthwhile, there is nothing wrong with being happy and proud of it, as long as you don't act like a dick or assume an attitude because of it.
Just don't get the blanket, "No matter who you are or what you do, realize you are no better than anyone else just because you too breath and eat and sleep like everyone else" philosophy that a lot of people seem to preach in a condescending tone. Yes, we all eat and sleep and breath like each other, but some people invent new technology while others perform heroic deeds in some way or capacity, just like some people rape and murder while others so things that are worse. So no, I don't think we are all equal and that a person like Margaret Mitchell, for example, should feel no better than Ted bundy ;D
Can you please summarize this in one short sentence? I don't feel like reading right now.
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I ain't ever found peace upon the breast of a girl
I ain't ever found peace with the religion of the world
I ain't ever found peace at the bottom of a glass
sometimes it seems the more I ask for the less I receive
The only true freedom is freedom from the heart's desires
& the only true happiness....this way lies.
Matt Johnson
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Can you please summarize this in one short sentence? I don't feel like reading right now.
Hey, you should be grateful I'm using paragraphs and not writing it out like GetItinNY ;D
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So we started to look for the meaning of life?
Here is a good start: The Heart Sutra
摩訶般若波羅蜜多心経
観自在菩薩行深般若波羅蜜多時、照見五蘊皆空、度一切苦厄。舎利子。色不異空、空不異色、色即是空、空即是色。受・想・行・識亦復如是。舎利子。是諸法空相、不生不滅、不垢不浄、不増不減。是故空中、無色、無受・想・行・識、無眼・耳・鼻・舌・身・意、無色・声・香・味・触・法。無眼界、乃至、無意識界。無無明、亦無無明尽、乃至、無老死、亦無老死尽。無苦・集・滅・道。無智亦無得。以無所得故、菩提薩埵、依般若波羅蜜多故、心無罣礙、無罣礙故、無有恐怖、遠離一切顛倒夢想、究竟涅槃。三世諸仏、依般若波羅蜜多故、得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提。故知、般若波羅蜜多、是大神呪、是大明呪、是無上呪、是無等等呪、能除一切苦、真実不虚。故説、般若波羅蜜多呪。
即説呪曰、羯諦羯諦波羅羯諦波羅僧羯諦菩提薩婆訶。般若心経
Thus have I once heard:
The Blessed One was staying in Rajagrha at Vulture Peak along with a great community of monks and great community of bodhisattvas, and at that time, the Blessed One fully entered the meditative concentration on the varieties of phenomena called the Appearance of the Profound. At that very time as well, holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being, beheld the practice itself of the profound perfection of wisdom, and he even saw the five aggregates as empty of inherent nature. Thereupon, through the Buddha's inspiration, the venerable Sariputra spoke to holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being, and said, "Any noble son who wishes to engage in the practice of the profound perfection of wisdom should train in what way?"
When this had been said, holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being, spoke to venerable Sariputra and said, "Sariputra, any noble sons or daughters who wish to practice the perfection of wisdom should see this way: they should see insightfully, correctly, and repeatedly that even the five aggregates are empty of inherent nature. Form is empty, emptiness is form, Emptiness is not other than form, form is also not other than emptiness. Likewise, sensation, discrimination, conditioning, and awareness are empty. In this way, Sariputra, all things are emptiness; they are without defining characteristics; they are not born, they do not cease, they are not defiled, they are not undefiled. They have no increase, they have no decrease.
"Therefore, Sariputra, in emptiness there is no form, no sensation, no discrimination, no conditioning, and no awareness. There is no eye, no ear, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind. There is no form, no sound, no smell, no taste, no texture, no phenomenon. There is no eye-element and so on up to no mind-element and also up to no element of mental awareness. There is no ignorance and no elimination of ignorance and so on up to no aging and death and no elimination of aging and death. Likewise, there is no suffering, origin, cessation, or path; there is no wisdom, no attainment, and even no non-attainment.
"Therefore, Sariputra, since the bodhisattvas have no obtainments, they abide relying on the perfection of wisdom. Having no defilements in their minds, they have no fear, and passing completely beyond error, they reach nirvana. Likewise, all the Buddhas abiding in the three times clearly and completely awaken to unexcelled, authentic, and complete awakening in dependence upon the perfection of wisdom.
"Therefore, one should know that the mantra of the perfection of wisdom - the mantra of great knowledge, the precious mantra, the unexcelled mantra, the mantra equal to the unequalled, the mantra that quells all suffering - is true because it is not deceptive. The mantra of the perfection of wisdom is proclaimed:
tadyatha - gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha!
Sariputra, a bodhisattva, a great being, should train in the profound perfection of wisdom in that way."
Thereupon, the Blessed One arose for that meditative concentration, and he commended holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being. "Excellent!" he said. "Excellent! Excellent! Noble child, it is just so. Noble child, it is just so. One should practice the profound perfection of wisdom in the manner that you have revealed - the Tathagatas rejoice!" This is what the Blessed One said.
Thereupon, the venerable Sariputra, the holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being, and that entire assembly along with the world of gods, humans, asuras, and gandharvas, all rejoiced and highly praised what the Blessed One had said.
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Hey, you should be grateful I'm using paragraphs and not writing it out like GetItinNY ;D
;D ;D ;D
You have me there.
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So we started to look for the meaning of life?
Here is a good start: The Heart Sutra etc etc
Ah yes, The Buddha - the enlightened one who spoke volumes on the virtue of self-restraint and the power of the mind, all while weighing around 600 lb.
If it wasn't for his name, DK, you'd say his lack of will power was sickening :D
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It's not so much a case of getting satisfaction from feeling proud for the sake of feeling proud. I'm talking about the natural state of mind at the end of some kind of accomplishment that you set out to achieve. Like for example, starting out as a stringbean who is unable to lift 225 lbs off the ground and few years later, deadlifting 500 lbs thanks to hard work, effort and persistence based on a game plan spanning years (in my case, naturally too). Then contrast yourself with other guys who go to the same gym and look the same year after year after year, due to several factors, with lack of hard work and dedication being the main ones.
Or think about making a million dollars from a business that you started from scratch, when you were at rock bottom and making it grow based solely on your game plan and sheer hard work / effort. And then contrast that with people who work the same job endlessly and hating it as well as the world and everything around them cause they fail to realize they too play a part in their life being the way it is, and a big role at that. Again, I am aware of the fact that there are people out there who accomplish more of the same of what you have, just like someone who doesn't achieve what you did failed to do so not solely due to a fault that was all theirs - I'm just saying that if you do something worthwhile, there is nothing wrong with being happy and proud of it, as long as you don't act like a dick or assume an attitude because of it.
Just don't get the blanket "No matter who you are or what you do, realize you are no better than anyone else just because you too breath and eat and sleep like everyone else" philosophy that a lot of people seem to preach in a condescending tone. Yes, we all eat and sleep and breath like each other, but some people invent new technology while others perform heroic deeds in some way or capacity, just like some people rape and murder while others do things that are worse. So no, I don't think we are all equal and that a person who invents a cure for a disease should feel no better than another who bashes an elderly lady's skull in, so he can rob her of her money ;D
Do I need to say I agree? :)
And also one should feel good about something you work hard to achieve, it's on the level how the brain is hardwired from evolution. And yes, perhaps even special in a scientific sense, in some cases. :)
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Ah yes, The Buddha - the enlightened one who spoke volumes on the virtue of self-restraint and the power of the mind, all while weighing around 600 lb.
If it wasn't for his name, DK, you'd say his lack of will power was sickening :D
Bullshit, you are mixing things up.
The fat one is no Buddha.
Buddha was ripped to shreds.
(http://www.der-erwachte.de/askese2.jpg)
As opposed to:
Hotei. Male. The god of contentment and happiness, Hotei has a cheerful face and a big belly. He is supposedly based on an actual person, and is widely recognized outside of Japan. He carries a large cloth bag over his back, one that never empties, for he uses it to feed the poor and needy. Indeed, the Japanese spelling of "Ho Tei" literally means "cloth bag." He also holds a Chinese fan called an oogi (said to be a "wish giving" fan -- in the distant past, this type of fan was used by the aristocracy to indicate to vassals that their requests would be granted). Hotei is most likely based on the itinerant 10th-century Chinese Buddhist monk and hermit Budaishi (d. 917), who is said to be an incarnation of Miroku Bodhisattva (Maitreya in Sanskrit).
(http://www.holymtn.com/catalog/images/SS-BUHA20GR.jpg)
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Bullshit, you are mixing things up.
The fat one is no Buddha.
Buddha was ripped to shreds.
(http://www.der-erwachte.de/askese2.jpg)
As opposed to:
Hotei. Male. The god of contentment and happiness, Hotei has a cheerful face and a big belly. He is supposedly based on an actual person, and is widely recognized outside of Japan. He carries a large cloth bag over his back, one that never empties, for he uses it to feed the poor and needy. Indeed, the Japanese spelling of "Ho Tei" literally means "cloth bag." He also holds a Chinese fan called an oogi (said to be a "wish giving" fan -- in the distant past, this type of fan was used by the aristocracy to indicate to vassals that their requests would be granted). Hotei is most likely based on the itinerant 10th-century Chinese Buddhist monk and hermit Budaishi (d. 917), who is said to be an incarnation of Miroku Bodhisattva (Maitreya in Sanskrit).
(http://www.holymtn.com/catalog/images/SS-BUHA20GR.jpg)
Hahaha, DK, was just searching for pictures to make a similar statement of my own!
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So we started to look for the meaning of life?
Here is a good start: The Heart Sutra
the beauty of eastern spirituality, taking away everything
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I like the fat one........looks like a happy fellow.
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Bullshit, you are mixing things up.
The fat one is no Buddha.
Buddha was ripped to shreds.
>:(
Onlyme Buddha >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gautama Buddha >:(
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Some fuckd up shit goin on in this thread :o
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Bullshit, you are mixing things up.
The fat one is no Buddha.
Buddha was ripped to shreds.
(http://www.der-erwachte.de/askese2.jpg)
As opposed to:
Hotei. Male. The god of contentment and happiness, Hotei has a cheerful face and a big belly. He is supposedly based on an actual person, and is widely recognized outside of Japan. He carries a large cloth bag over his back, one that never empties, for he uses it to feed the poor and needy. Indeed, the Japanese spelling of "Ho Tei" literally means "cloth bag." He also holds a Chinese fan called an oogi (said to be a "wish giving" fan -- in the distant past, this type of fan was used by the aristocracy to indicate to vassals that their requests would be granted). Hotei is most likely based on the itinerant 10th-century Chinese Buddhist monk and hermit Budaishi (d. 917), who is said to be an incarnation of Miroku Bodhisattva (Maitreya in Sanskrit).
(http://www.holymtn.com/catalog/images/SS-BUHA20GR.jpg)
the big boned buddha is also used to depict the future buddha - maitreya 8)
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the beauty of eastern spirituality, taking away everything
色即是空、空即是色
Emptiness is form, form is emptiness. ;D
>:(
Onlyme Buddha >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gautama Buddha >:(
;D ;D
If the enlightenment came in donut boxes, onlyme would be the nirvana itself. the big boned buddha is also used to depict the future buddha - maitreya 8)
That is correct, i just wanted to state that Siddarta Gautama was a ripped fella. ;D
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色即是空、空即是色
Emptiness is form, form is emptiness. ;D
;D ;D
If the enlightenment came in donut boxes, onlyme would be the nirvana itself.
That is correct, i just wanted to state that Siddarta Gautama was a ripped fella. ;D
yes, i read a passage about the physique of buddha, he was 6'1 with lots of muscles due to years of military training growing up to prepare to be king. 8)
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;D ;D
If the enlightenment came in donut boxes, onlyme would be the nirvana itself.
That is correct, i just wanted to state that Siddarta Gautama was a ripped fella. ;D
Are you saying that
1) Onlyme is the kind of guy who sprinkles breadcrumbs on slabs of butter for breakfast, and
2) GH15 is the kind of guy who looks at a starving, emaciated Ethiopian and says, "See that fella their,,he's taken Clen everyday and also ECA stack no hydroxycut bulshit my frend, this is gh15 god of hormones saying any blck fella under 3% bodyfat is on clen and eca alos maybe more god of hormones apporved" ???
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Are you saying that
1) Onlyme is the kind of guy who sprinkles breadcrumbs on slabs of butter for breakfast, and
2) GH15 is the kind of guy who looks at a starving, emaciated Ethiopian and says, "See that fella their,,he's taken Clen everyday and also ECA stack no hydroxycut bulshit my frend, this is gh15 god of hormones saying any blck fella under 3% bodyfat is on clen and eca alos maybe more god of hormones apporved" ???
I don't want to speak bad about Keith, it seems he was very hurt by the stuff i wrote about him, completely lacking the fact that it was all in good fun and he came back to me with anger and being hurt. I truly feel sorry about this, and this wasn't my intention at all, but besides my strong feelings of guilt and remorse i have to say you are 100% on spot. ;D
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Emptiness is form, form is emptiness. ;D
Just the realization of this simple truth would completely transform the world.
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Just the realization of this simple truth would completely transform the world.
All kidding aside, yes.
Also realizing the simple fact that you live now and "Living" is in fact "continously dying", without a chance to bring anything back or to be here forever.
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So we started to look for the meaning of life?
Here is a good start: The Heart Sutra
摩訶般若波羅蜜多心経
観自在菩薩行深般若波羅蜜多時、照見五蘊皆空、度一切苦厄。舎利子。色不異空、空不異色、色即是空、空即是色。受・想・行・識亦復如是。舎利子。是諸法空相、不生不滅、不垢不浄、不増不減。是故空中、無色、無受・想・行・識、無眼・耳・鼻・舌・身・意、無色・声・香・味・触・法。無眼界、乃至、無意識界。無無明、亦無無明尽、乃至、無老死、亦無老死尽。無苦・集・滅・道。無智亦無得。以無所得故、菩提薩埵、依般若波羅蜜多故、心無罣礙、無罣礙故、無有恐怖、遠離一切顛倒夢想、究竟涅槃。三世諸仏、依般若波羅蜜多故、得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提。故知、般若波羅蜜多、是大神呪、是大明呪、是無上呪、是無等等呪、能除一切苦、真実不虚。故説、般若波羅蜜多呪。
即説呪曰、羯諦羯諦波羅羯諦波羅僧羯諦菩提薩婆訶。般若心経
Thus have I once heard:
The Blessed One was staying in Rajagrha at Vulture Peak along with a great community of monks and great community of bodhisattvas, and at that time, the Blessed One fully entered the meditative concentration on the varieties of phenomena called the Appearance of the Profound. At that very time as well, holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being, beheld the practice itself of the profound perfection of wisdom, and he even saw the five aggregates as empty of inherent nature. Thereupon, through the Buddha's inspiration, the venerable Sariputra spoke to holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being, and said, "Any noble son who wishes to engage in the practice of the profound perfection of wisdom should train in what way?"
When this had been said, holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being, spoke to venerable Sariputra and said, "Sariputra, any noble sons or daughters who wish to practice the perfection of wisdom should see this way: they should see insightfully, correctly, and repeatedly that even the five aggregates are empty of inherent nature. Form is empty, emptiness is form, Emptiness is not other than form, form is also not other than emptiness. Likewise, sensation, discrimination, conditioning, and awareness are empty. In this way, Sariputra, all things are emptiness; they are without defining characteristics; they are not born, they do not cease, they are not defiled, they are not undefiled. They have no increase, they have no decrease.
"Therefore, Sariputra, in emptiness there is no form, no sensation, no discrimination, no conditioning, and no awareness. There is no eye, no ear, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind. There is no form, no sound, no smell, no taste, no texture, no phenomenon. There is no eye-element and so on up to no mind-element and also up to no element of mental awareness. There is no ignorance and no elimination of ignorance and so on up to no aging and death and no elimination of aging and death. Likewise, there is no suffering, origin, cessation, or path; there is no wisdom, no attainment, and even no non-attainment.
"Therefore, Sariputra, since the bodhisattvas have no obtainments, they abide relying on the perfection of wisdom. Having no defilements in their minds, they have no fear, and passing completely beyond error, they reach nirvana. Likewise, all the Buddhas abiding in the three times clearly and completely awaken to unexcelled, authentic, and complete awakening in dependence upon the perfection of wisdom.
"Therefore, one should know that the mantra of the perfection of wisdom - the mantra of great knowledge, the precious mantra, the unexcelled mantra, the mantra equal to the unequalled, the mantra that quells all suffering - is true because it is not deceptive. The mantra of the perfection of wisdom is proclaimed:
tadyatha - gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha!
Sariputra, a bodhisattva, a great being, should train in the profound perfection of wisdom in that way."
Thereupon, the Blessed One arose for that meditative concentration, and he commended holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being. "Excellent!" he said. "Excellent! Excellent! Noble child, it is just so. Noble child, it is just so. One should practice the profound perfection of wisdom in the manner that you have revealed - the Tathagatas rejoice!" This is what the Blessed One said.
Thereupon, the venerable Sariputra, the holy Avalokitsevara, the bodhisattva, the great being, and that entire assembly along with the world of gods, humans, asuras, and gandharvas, all rejoiced and highly praised what the Blessed One had said.
More you forget about heart sutra, you are more heart sutra itself. Since Heart sutra beyond logic.
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More you forget about heart sutra, you are more heart sutra itself. Since Heart sutra beyond logic.
I recently started looking into the 理趣経, but only for intellect reasons.
Besides that, you are totally right, to understand it right, you need to earn a lot and then you have to forget everything again. lol ;D ;D
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I recently started looking into the 理趣経, but only for intellect reasons.
Besides that, you are totally right, to understand it right, you need to earn a lot and then you have to forget everything again. lol ;D ;D
To learn a lot for noticing that you learn nothing. Sounds super pathetic. Thats Tao and Original Budism.
I have learned Rishu also. Very beautiful.
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To learn a lot for noticing that you learn nothing. Sounds super pathetic. Thats Tao and Original Budism.
I have learned Rishu also. Very beautiful.
Well, to be honest bodybuilding is about the same.
You start, then you look into all sorts of fancy training programes, diets and superb supplements, spend all the time reading and studying and then you realize that the only thing you should do is go to the gym, workout hard and eat healthy food.
Fuck the HST, HIT, PITT, DC, Giant sets and whatever. Just workout. ;D ;D
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Well, to be honest bodybuilding is about the same.
You start, then you look into all sorts of fancy training programes, diets and superb supplements, spend all the time reading and studying and then you realize that the only thing you should do is go to the gym, workout hard and eat healthy food.
Fuck the HST, HIT, PITT, DC, Giant sets and whatever. Just workout. ;D ;D
Everything we do in our life are enough for noticing this truth regardless of the education level.
Thats why I told you that the guy like Ronnie doesnt always inferior to those philosophers in university when it comes to philosophy.
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Everything we do in our life are enough for noticing this truth regardless of the education level.
Thats why I told you that the guy like Ronnie doesnt always inferior to those philosophers in university when it comes to philosophy.
i see your point, and realizing that you are right i had a very funny picture in my mind....
Ronnie Coleman giving a philosphy lecture in Harvard. I would fly to the states to witness that. Yip yip!!
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i see your point, and realizing that you are right i had a very funny picture in my mind....
Ronnie Coleman giving a philosphy lecture in Harvard. I would fly to the states to witness that. Yip yip!!
Hahahahahahahahhahaha!
WooooooHoooooo!!!! Light weight!
Test? Nothin but a peanut!
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i see your point, and realizing that you are right i had a very funny picture in my mind....
Ronnie Coleman giving a philosphy lecture in Harvard. I would fly to the states to witness that. Yip yip!!
e'body wanna be enlightened but ain't nobody wanna do no heavy ass meditation
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Hahahahahahahahhahaha!
WooooooHoooooo!!!! Light weight!
Test? Nothin but a peanut!
e'body wanna be enlightened but ain't nobody wanna do some heavy ass meditation
bwahahaahahm, beat me to it...
I was going to write sth like...
e'body wanna be a philosopher, but nobody wanna live like Arthur Schopenhauer. ;D
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e'body wanna be enlightened but ain't nobody wanna do no heavy ass meditation
Bawahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahha!
Damn great!
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in between lectures ronnie could play some of his favorite rap songs and sing along such classic lines as "smackin' them hoes"
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my allah is stronger
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my allah is stronger
alde isch hol mein brüda, der macht dein allah kickbox
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alde isch hol mein brüda, der macht dein allah kickbox
;D ;D ;D
Alter, isch hab dem gehört dass dem allah is stärka wie Jon-kloht fan damm ey!
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Brutal English.......
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Thank you Kyomu.
You bring out the good
in Donkeykong.
Well done.
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i just say in a streetfight without weapons my allah would win
it's on bitches: allah vs. buddah UFC 100
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i just say in a streetfight without weapons my allah would win
it's on bitches: allah vs. buddah UFC 100
bwahahhaha, we don't even know what Allah looks like, post pic of him!!
Buddha has some pics posted, after all it looks like Allah is just some skinny-fat twink that has never worked out in his life
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bwahahhaha, we don't even know what Allah looks like, post pic of him!!
Buddha has some pics posted, after all it looks like Allah is just some skinny-fat twink that has never worked out in his life
if you post a pic of yourself i'll post a pic of allah^^
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i just say in a streetfight without weapons my allah would win
it's on bitches: allah vs. buddah UFC 100
Nothing cant win against Buddah or Tao, Cus they dont have form and world itself.
Plus they are dead and not dead. Exist and not exist.
How can you destroy the thing like this?
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if you post a pic of yourself i'll post a pic of allah^^
i am like the great allah in this behalf, i am not to be pictured.
If i would post a picture of me, i would have to suicide bomb myself to death. ;D ;D
Nothing cant win against Buddah or Tao, Cus they dont have form and world itself.
Plus they are dead and not dead. Exist and not exist.
How can you destroy the thing like this?
Yes, and also what is "winning" and what is "losing"?
How can you "win", when winning is losing and losing is winning?
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Nothing cant win against Buddah or Tao, Cus they dont have form and world itself.
Plus they are dead and not dead. Exist and not exist.
How can you destroy the thing like this?
Superstition this is Kyomu, Kyomu meet superstition.
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e'body wanna be enlightened but ain't nobody wanna do no heavy ass meditation
hahahahahaha classic ;D
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Personally I can't imagine what it must be like to have everything in your mind tainted by a religion or superstition.
Why have your mind and thought process guided or plagued and infested by a Buddha, Christianity, Allah or whatever. Why close your mind. Why not seek answers for yourself, why blindly gobble up and accept what is drilled in to you. Think for your self instead.
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Personally I can't imagine what it must be like to have everything in your mind tainted by a religion or superstition.
Why have your mind and thought process guided or plagued and infested by a Buddha, Christianity, Allah or whatever. Why close your mind. Why not seek answers for yourself, why blindly gobble up and accept what is drilled in to you. Think for your self instead.
Looks like you know shit about buddhism.
"When you meet the Buddha, kill him." There is no such thing as buddha or not buddha, we are all buddha or not, it doesn't even matter.
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Personally I can't imagine what it must be like to have everything in your mind tainted by a religion or superstition.
Why have your mind and thought process guided or plagued and infested by a Buddha, Christianity, Allah or whatever. Why close your mind. Why not seek answers for yourself, why blindly gobble up and accept what is drilled in to you. Think for your self instead.
It's completely the other way round, what you talk about is fundamentalism / blind faith
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It's completely the other way round, what you talk about is fundamentalism / blind faith
For a moslem, it's a hard task to understand the difference between "religion" and "fundamentalism".
No hating.
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Personally I can't imagine what it must be like to have everything in your mind tainted by a religion or superstition.
Why have your mind and thought process guided or plagued and infested by a Buddha, Christianity, Allah or whatever. Why close your mind. Why not seek answers for yourself, why blindly gobble up and accept what is drilled in to you. Think for your self instead.
yes, i'm afraid you are revealing your ignorance of buddhism rami.
Buddha's teaching was exactly what you said - "Why close your mind, seek answers for yourself, why blindly gobble up and accept what is drilled in to you. Think for your self instead."
when asked why people should believe him he said " don't believe a word i say or a word anyone says no matter what - always seek the truth "
i think you will like what you find in buddhism if you read about it. :)
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yes, i'm afraid you are revealing your ignorance of buddhism rami.
Buddha's teaching was exactly what you said - "Why close your mind, seek answers for yourself, why blindly gobble up and accept what is drilled in to you. Think for your self instead."
when asked why people should believe him he said " don't believe a word i say or a word anyone says no matter what - always seek the truth "
i think you will like what you find in buddhism if you read about it. :)
great post, fatpanda!
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thanks for your input big_sti, i feel your pain and i'm sorry for any offence caused.
also while you are typing perhaps you could post a pic of yourself, this is not to own you or anything, as i'm sure you look great weather you are a tiny tit or a muscle bear, but because it would be the correct thing to do. You do not need to hide behind a gimmick account.
i respect you.
whatever you decide i wish you well, as a gimmick you are quite funny, but you should get the credit on your main account.
My pics are on here fatty.
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buddhism is fucked up just like every other religion...i don't even wanna think about what is real and what not,just live your fucking life
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buddhism is fucked up just like every other religion...i don't even wanna think about what is real and what not,just live your fucking life
bwahahahah, exactly THAT is buddhism.
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so why call it buddhism and not "fucking live your life"?
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so why call it buddhism and not "fucking live your life"?
because this guy Buddha basically "invented" 'live your fucking life', so it was named after him.
It's like Vince Basile invented Bodybuilding, so in fact bodybuilding should be called "Basilism", but it is bodybuilding.
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because this guy Buddha basically "invented" 'live your fucking life', so it was named after him.
It's like Vince Basile invented Bodybuilding, so in fact bodybuilding should be called "Basilism", but it is bodybuilding.
no way bro,vince was already 85 when bb was invented
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its ok i forgive u
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no way bro,vince was already 85 when bb was invented
Well, Vince Basile also invented supination. Vince Basile invented inventing, and now be careful or i will call you a floatsam jetsam.
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bwahahahah, exactly THAT is buddhism.
;D
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its ok i forgive u
;D
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buddhism is fucked up just like every other religion...i don't even wanna think about what is real and what not,just live your fucking life
I agree in the sense that there are just as many buddhist bigots as there are biggots in any other religion (resp. spiritual tradition). Someone who calls himself a "Buddhist" is on the wrong path anyway. The point is to realize that we already are Buddha.
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SUPERSTITIOUS NONSENSE
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i believe in god and nothing else,i don't need books to know that killing and stealing is wrong
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SUPERSTITIOUS NONSENSE
You are still young. Still early for philosophy.
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You are still young. Still early for philosophy.
Ok, "buddha".
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Ok, "buddha".
no bro you are buddha,haha
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Ok, "buddha".
You are too young and raised up in the christian society. So you even dont know the difference between philosophy and religion.
At least go to college before you talk with us.
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You are too young and raised up in the christian society. So you even dont know the difference between philosophy and religion.
At least go to college before you talk with us.
mayber he is older than we think?
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mayber he is older than we think?
Did you see his pic? As I imgined, he is just a kid.
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Did you see his pic? As I imgined, he is just a kid.
no please post it
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its ok i forgive u
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what Gene said.
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Did you see his pic? As I imgined, he is just a kid.
Believe what ever you want, but that was not me. ::)
Now, getting bigger and more shredded than Phil Heath without hormones, there's something to believe in!
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You are too young and raised up in the christian society. So you even dont know the difference between philosophy and religion.
At least go to college before you talk with us.
The country I grew up in is arguably THE most secular and atheistic country there is. So there goes your argument.
You see, where I'm from we actually care about evidence and do not buy into every crackpot philosophy there is.
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The country I grew up in is arguably THE most secular and atheistic country there is. So there goes your argument.
You see, where I'm from we actually care about evidence and do not buy into every crackpot philosophy there is.
anyways, your hate and ignorance say otherwise. PLUS you really have no clue. No hating, when you grow up you will understand this.
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The country I grew up in is arguably THE most secular and atheistic country there is. So there goes your argument.
You see, where I'm from we actually care about evidence and do not buy into every crackpot philosophy there is.
Just go to college at least.
You are revealing your ignorance in front of all the people here. You are still young. You have still time.
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Just go to college at least.
You are revealing your ignorance in front of all the people here. You are still young. You have still time.
What ignorance, please explain in short.
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What ignorance, please explain in short.
SUPERSTITIOUS NONSENSE
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What ignorance, please explain in short.
Lack of information about world history,Physics,Mathematics,World culture, plus the capability of composing logical assertion.
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That was short. Thanks.
If we're talking about Buddha then you do know he was supposedly born out of a slit on his mothers side? Smells masculine made all the way.
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Lack of information about world history,Physics,Mathematics,World culture, plus the capability of composing logical assertion.
OK, Mr "I can be a better bodybuilder than Phil Heath without hormones".
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That was short. Thanks.
If we're talking about Buddha then you do know he was supposedly born out of a slit on his mothers side? Smells masculine made all the way.
bullshit, and also you need to need to learn the difference between fairy tales and the message behind them.
If you would look a bit into buddhism, you could see that it is very close to life, down to earth and NOT superstitious at all in it's core. Sure there is tantrism and the likes, but that is only for the easy people.
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bullshit, and also you need to need to learn the difference between fairy tales and the message behind them.
If you would look a bit into buddhism, you could see that it is very close to life, down to earth and NOT superstitious at all in it's core. Sure there is tantrism and the likes, but that is only for the easy people.
Hey I'm not saying that the message of buddhism doesn't necessarily have to be superstitious, but.....
It's stuff like this that makes my bullshit alert go off:
Nothing cant win against Buddah or Tao, Cus they dont have form and world itself.
Plus they are dead and not dead. Exist and not exist.
How can you destroy the thing like this?
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bullshit, and also you need to need to learn the difference between fairy tales and the message behind them.
If you would look a bit into buddhism, you could see that it is very close to life, down to earth and NOT superstitious at all in it's core. Sure there is tantrism and the likes, but that is only for the easy people.
Maybe This kid is thinking that Budda is a god. :-\
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Hey I'm not saying that the message of buddhism doesn't necessarily have to be superstitious, but.....
It's stuff like this that makes my bullshit alert go off:
Man, they were discussing a kickbox match between Allah and Buddha...
Are you really this dumb or are you acting it? It was clearly a funny expression, with a tad of buddhist sutras quoted.
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allah still would kick buddhas ass....hell i will even go that far and say that allah could probably take out chris angel
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allah still would kick buddhas ass....hell i will even go that far and say that allah could probably take out chris angel
Allah would get his ass kicked by The Rock, there's no way he could win against Buddha.
Buddha would medidate The Rock into suicide.
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Hey I'm not saying that the message of buddhism doesn't necessarily have to be superstitious, but.....
It's stuff like this that makes my bullshit alert go off:
Look. Since you are not a bad guy.
I will give you a example how varios concepts of God exist in this world.
Hinduism Gods
Brahma--Creation
Vishunu---Maintenance
Shiva--Destrucction
These 3 gods explain the existance. Born-living- death.
These gods dont order you anything like Jesus. Just Indians explain the natural phenomenon like this.
Very different from Christian huh?
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Allah would get his ass kicked by The Rock, there's no way he could win against Buddha.
Buddha would medidate The Rock into suicide.
wooooo easy there brooo
don't take the rock in ,we all know that the people's elbow kills anyone
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wooooo easy there brooo
don't take the rock in ,we all know that the people's elbow kills anyone
I'm sorry, adding the Rock was a bit too much. :-\ :-\
I get easily agitated and carried away, my bad.
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Maybe This kid is thinking that Budda is a god. :-\
No I don't.
Ok, I must admit I haven't read the whole thread here.... but just to make it easy for ourselves maybe you can answer this question:
Does any of the philosophies you believe in require any sort of supernatural intervention or creation?
If the answer is no then I guess we have no quarrel, but sometimes it sounds like you attribute your "philosophies" way too much power suggesting otherwise. But if they're only an interpretation of the world in order to create a certain state of mind, then fine.
I'm a bit edgy about Kyomu, that's all.
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No I don't.
Ok, I must admit I haven't read the whole thread here.... but just to make it easy for ourselves maybe you can answer this question:
Does any of the philosophies you believe in require any sort of supernatural intervention or creation?
If the answer is no then I guess we have no quarrel, but sometimes it sounds like you attribute your "philosophies" way too much power. But if they're only an interpretation of the world in order to create a certain state of mind, then fine.
I'm a bit edgy about Kyomu, that's all.
Still you dont understand.
Philosophers dont believe in anything.
Just keep on asking why why why.
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Look. Since you are not a bad guy.
I will give you a example how varios concepts of God exist in this world.
Hinduism Gods
Brahma--Creation
Vishunu---Maintenance
Shiva--Destrucction
These 3 gods explain the existance. Born-living- death.
These gods dont order you anything like Jesus. Just Indians explain the natural phenomenon like this.
Very different from Christian huh?
You seem like a good guy too but when you keep accusing me of looking at this from a christian perspective, it is getting tiresome.
The 3 gods you mentioned, are they real in any way and do they have any supernatural powers? Or are they simply metaphors?
What I'm getting at is that as you claim to any of these gods have any sort of power or exists, you have A LOT of explaining to do. But that may not be the case, I'll leave it up for you to give a statement on.
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No I don't.
Ok, I must admit I haven't read the whole thread here.... but just to make it easy for ourselves maybe you can answer this question:
Does any of the philosophies you believe in require any sort of supernatural intervention or creation?
If the answer is no then I guess we have no quarrel, but sometimes it sounds like you attribute your "philosophies" way too much power suggesting otherwise. But if they're only an interpretation of the world in order to create a certain state of mind, then fine.
I'm a bit edgy about Kyomu, that's all.
buddhism has no 'supernatural' or stuff like that in it's pure meaning. There is also no creation in Buddhism, as everything exists out of cause and effect, hardly supernatural, no?
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buddhism has no 'supernatural' or stuff like that in it's pure meaning. There is also no creation in Buddhism, as everything exists out of cause and effect, hardly supernatural, no?
Alright thanks fair enough.
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You seem like a good guy too but when keep accusing me of looking at this from a christian perspective, it is getting tiresome.
The 3 gods you mentioned, are they real in any way and do they have any supernatural powers? Or are they simply metaphors?
What I'm getting at is that as you claim to any of these gods have any sort of power or exists, you have A LOT of explaining to do. But that may not be the case, I'll leave it up for you to give a statement on.
You have really strong prejudice about God. God always dont have to be like individual like humanbeing.
If somebody call a equation like E=mc2 a god because of this equation rules the movement of the particle, its a god for him.
So Indian called the natural phenomenon like Gods.Thats it. Plain simple.
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why do you guys even think about it?
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You have really strong prejudice about God. God always dont have to be like individual like humanbeing.
If somebody call a equation like E=mc2 a god because of this equation rules the movement of the particle, its a god for him.
So Indian called the natural phenomenon like Gods.Thats it. Plain simple.
Yes, same with the "Sun Gods" or godesses all around the world. Most gods are originally philosophic or nature phenomena.
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You have really strong prejudice about God. God always dont have to be like individual like humanbeing.
If somebody call a equation like E=mc2 a god because of this equation rules the movement of the particle, its a god for him.
So Indian called the natural phenomenon like Gods.Thats it. Plain simple.
OK, one word for you then:
METAPHOR
So fine, you don't think any of these "gods" exists, they're just a way of explaining nature.
We've gone through this multiple times, sheeeeeesh. When will you understand that I'm open to both the "christian" perspective and the "buddhist"? When I ask if you believe in the actual existence of a god or if it is a metaphor, then I'm not excluding any alternative.
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OK, one word for you then:
METAPHOR
So fine, you don't think any of these "gods" exists, they're just a way of explaining nature.
We've gone through this multiple times, sheeeeeesh. When will you understand that I'm open to both the "christian" perspective and the "buddhist"? When I ask if you believe in the actual existence of a god or if it is a metaphor, then I'm not excluding any alternative.
lol, you still think too christian.
It doesn't matter if a god exists or not.
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lol, you still think too christian.
It doesn't matter if a god exists or not.
OH.MY.GOD (pun intended)
Read again what you quoted there. Please.
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OK, one word for you then:
METAPHOR
So fine, you don't think any of these "gods" exists, they're just a way of explaining nature.
We've gone through this multiple times, sheeeeeesh. When will you understand that I'm open to both the "christian" perspective and the "buddhist"? When I ask if you believe in the actual existence of a god or if it is a metaphor, then I'm not excluding any alternative.
While you define it as a metaphor,other contries people define it as a god. Cus they dont have any clue about the concept of god you refer.
Your defenition is not absolute and universal. Thats why I told you that you must learn another cultures too.
And when you ask me if i believe God or not, you need to ask me with certain defenition of God.
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OH.MY.GOD (pun intended)
Read again what you quoted there. Please.
Donkeys comment is correct. Watch your inside.
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While you define it as a metaphor,other contries people define it as a god. Cus they dont have any clue about the god you refer.
Your defenition is not absolute and universal. Thats why I told you that you must learn another cultures too.
And when you ask me if i believe God or not, you need to ask me with certain defenition of God.
You accuse me of not studying, oh the irony.
Do you know what a metaphor really is? It is a description of something in form of a sort of analogy or comparison, it is in no way, shape or form a substitute for any "god".
You believe in a metaphoric God. Christians believe in a supernatural intervening God. Do you see the difference?
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You accuse me of not studying, oh the irony.
Do you know what a metaphor really is? It is a description of something in form of a sort of analogy or comparison, it is in no way, shape or form a substitute for any "god".
You believe in a metaphoric God. Christians believe in a supernatural intervening God. Do you see the difference?
Oh, you are blind.
Then why you ask me if i believe in God or not?
That question was based on the concept of the christian god right?
If I answered with the concept of hinduism, you may misunderstand that i believe in christian god no?
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You accuse me of not studying, oh the irony.
Do you know what a metaphor really is? It is a description of something in form of a sort of analogy or comparison, it is in no way, shape or form a substitute for any "god".
You believe in a metaphoric God. Christians believe in a supernatural intervening God. Do you see the difference?
relax, kyomu doesn't say anything against you, you just fail to understand.
That's the fate of us being brought up in a monotheistic believe religion, it took me more than ten years studying asian religions to get a clue about where my problem was, and only in the moment that i actively stepped out of the roman catholic church i understood that it didn't even matter.
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Oh, you are blind.
Then why you ask me if i believe in God or not?
That question was based on the concept of the christian god right?
If I answered with the concept of hinduism, you may misunderstand that i believe in christian god no?
OK, one word for you then:
METAPHOR
So fine, you don't think any of these "gods" exists, they're just a way of explaining nature.
We've gone through this multiple times, sheeeeeesh. When will you understand that I'm open to both the "christian" perspective and the "buddhist"? When I ask if you believe in the actual existence of a god or if it is a metaphor, then I'm not excluding any alternative.
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Looks like you know shit about buddhism.
"When you meet the Buddha, kill him." There is no such thing as buddha or not buddha, we are all buddha or not, it doesn't even matter.
I know it is said he doesn't exists. But I refer to the ideas and teachings plotted down by man about such concepts as Buddha or Hinduism or whatever superstition.
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relax, kyomu doesn't say anything against you, you just fail to understand.
That's the fate of us being brought up in a monotheistic believe religion, it took me more than ten years studying asian religions to get a clue about where my problem was, and only in the moment that i actively stepped out of the roman catholic church i understood that it didn't even matter.
No you guys seem to misunderstand what a metaphoric god is because that is precisely what you believe in.
EDIT: Maybe it helps if I say to you believe in a personification(s) of nature and decide to call it god and not attribute it any powers.
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I know it is said he doesn't exists. But I refer to the ideas and teachings plotted down by man about such concepts as Buddha or Hinduism or whatever superstition.
Wrong.
Budda is not he or she or whatever. Just the absolute truth.
One Absolute truth doesnt exist. But it exist in infinite reasons.
This is not a teaching. Just a fvkin truth.
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lol, you still don't understand....
It doesn't matter. metaphor or not, christian or hindu, god or not god.
No you guys seem to misunderstand what a metaphoric god is because that is precisely what you believe in.
No, you do not understand because you stick to "believe in", "god" and "metaphor".
Wrong.
Budda is not he or she or whatever. Just the absolute truth.
One Absolute truth doesnt exist. But it exist in infinite reasons.
This is not a teaching. Just a fvkin truth.
thanks kyomu.
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EDIT: Maybe it helps if I say to you believe in a personification(s) of nature and decide to call it god and not attribute it any powers.
See above, your christian believe binds you to "believing" or "not believing".
This doesn't exist in Buddhism.
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No you guys seem to misunderstand what a metaphoric god is because that is precisely what you believe in.
EDIT: Maybe it helps if I say to you believe in a personification(s) of nature and decide to call it god and not attribute it any powers.
Still dont understand.
In Budism, even the natural phenomenon we see is suspicious since the hard problem of conciousness(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness).
In budism, they dont believe in anything. Just keep on suspecting.
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btw, mad props to you lovemonkey, you really stick with it and think about it.
This is the way to really overcome your believes and the boundaries you are in, even if you aren't aware of them yet.
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lol, you still don't understand....
It doesn't matter. metaphor or not, christian or hindu, god or not god.
No, you do not understand because you stick to "believe in", "god" and "metaphor".
thanks kyomu.
Ok, buddhism doesn't have any sort of gods.
But what I was referring to is statements like this:
Look. Since you are not a bad guy.
I will give you a example how varios concepts of God exist in this world.
Hinduism Gods
Brahma--Creation
Vishunu---Maintenance
Shiva--Destrucction
These 3 gods explain the existance. Born-living- death.
These gods dont order you anything like Jesus. Just Indians explain the natural phenomenon like this.
Very different from Christian huh?
Those are metaphoric gods.
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Sorry I guess I'm with Buddha then. But it doesn't look like I needed the "concept" if I reached some of the same conclusions on my own.
But why is the truth depicted as a fat or anorectic looking man if "it" supposedly is non existant?
I don't mean to offend anyone's beliefs.
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Still dont understand.
In Budism, even the natural phenomenon we see is suspicious since the hard problem of conciousness(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness).
In budism, they dont believe in anything. Just keep on suspecting.
Now you're just playing with words. They don't believe in anything? They sure do seem to believe in being suspicious.
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Ok, buddhism doesn't have any sort of gods.
Here's the best thing:
Buddhism has gods. And it hasn't. In Buddhism, there have been discussions through the centuries wether gods could attain buddhahood or not. So they think that gods exist.
But it is absolutely not important for you and me.
Now you're just playing with words. They don't believe in anything? They sure do seem to believe in being suspicious.
No, it's not playing with words.
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If you are really interested in looking further into this, have a look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Mind,_Beginner%27s_Mind
or the book "Three pillars of Zen".
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Here's the best thing:
Buddhism has gods. And it hasn't. In Buddhism, there have been discussions through the centuries wether gods could attain buddhahood or not. So they think that gods exist.
But it is absolutely not important for you and me.
Ok this is what ticks me off a bit. If buddhism has a nice and clear message to improve/get to know yourself, why does it need all that extra superstitious junk in the trunk?
You seem to benefit from buddhism without believing in a bunch of crap, if you don't mind could you in short explain how buddhism has helped you and in what way?
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Sorry I guess I'm with Buddha then. But it doesn't look like I needed the "concept" if I reached some of the same conclusions on my own.
But why is the truth depicted as a fat or anorectic looking man if "it" supposedly is non existant?
I don't mean to offend anyone's beliefs.
Haha. Yes. Spot on.
That Shakyamuni himself said that symbolizing him with making statue doesnt make people realizing the absolute truth. ;D
Alwyas People want to believe in something. ;D
Original budism was philopsphy, but it separated and became various kinds of religions called budism.
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Now you're just playing with words. They don't believe in anything? They sure do seem to believe in being suspicious.
Asking why is our instinct since our chilhood isnt it?
Can you say lie to you and keep on quiet and deceive yourself?
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Ok this is what ticks me off a bit. If buddhism has a nice and clear message to improve/get to know yourself, why does it need all that extra superstitious junk in the trunk?
You seem to benefit from buddhism without believing in a bunch of crap, if you don't mind could you in short explain how buddhism has helped you and in what way?
Think.... Improve for what? Why should we improve? We are not perfect?
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Asking why is our instinct since our chilhood isnt it?
Can you say lie to you and keep on quiet and deceive yourself?
I see your point but if you wanna take it as far as buddhism what is the point? If you never accept any type of information or knowledge where will it take you? No where.
To claim buddhism gives you insight or makes you more knowledgeable seems like bullshit, honestly.
Again, as I've said before: who has made the best effort to understand the true nature of the universe and what makes it tick; western scientists or far eastern philosophers?
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Think.... Improve for what? Why should we improve? We are not perfect?
You like to become a better bodybuilder.
I like to become a more knowledgeable and nicer person (not necessarily more tolerant).
Maybe I was under the false impression that buddhism is supposed to make you wiser and more knowledgeable?
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Ok this is what ticks me off a bit. If buddhism has a nice and clear message to improve/get to know yourself, why does it need all that extra superstitious junk in the trunk?
You seem to benefit from buddhism without believing in a bunch of crap, if you don't mind could you in short explain how buddhism has helped you and in what way?
the extra superstitous junk in the trunk is meaningless yet important.
There's a famous story that shows what i mean....
2 american guys went to Japan to stay in a Zen monastery for a few months. Upon arrival, they were send to the abbot. The first american asked the abbot: "when do i get my head shaved so i can be a monk?" the other one said "if it was possible, i would like to keep my hair, i don't want to get my head shaved".
The abbot said, "ok, the first one can keep his hair, the second one has to shave right now". The second one got angry and asked why the one who wanted his head shaved could keep his hair. The abbot said: "Because he doesn't care about it".
So basically, the chants and sutras aren't necessary, but when you understand it and "are awake", you will see that it doesn't matter at all. All you do is live life, or die continously, second after second. You cannot change that (maybe only by killing yourself, but this opens another big barrel), so once you understand that, you can chant and recite sutras again. Then you might also understand why god or not god is unimportant.
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You like to become a better bodybuilder.
I
like to become a more knowledgeable and nicer person (not necessary more tolerant).
Maybe I was under the false impression that buddhism is supposed to make you wiser and more knowledgeable?
Yes. Buddhism gives you nothing.
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the extra superstitous junk in the trunk is meaningless yet important.
There's a famous story that shows what i mean....
2 american guys went to Japan to stay in a Zen monastery for a few months. Upon arrival, they were send to the abbot. The first american asked the abbot: "when do i get my head shaved so i can be a monk?" the other one said "if it was possible, i would like to keep my hair, i don't want to get my head shaved".
The abbot said, "ok, the first one can keep his hair, the second one has to shave right now". The second one got angry and asked why the one who wanted his head shaved could keep his hair. The abbot said: "Because he doesn't care about it".
So basically, the chants and sutras aren't necessary, but when you understand it and "are awake", you will see that it doesn't matter at all. All you do is live life, or die continously, second after second. You cannot change that (maybe only by killing yourself, but this opens another big barrel), so once you understand that, you can chant and recite sutras again. Then you might also understand why god or not god is unimportant.
From what I've just read I think buddhism should be avoided at all costs(at least for myself). It seems to be nothing else but the lame attempt to strip away everything human from humans. Is this why all the monks you see on the television seem so bored?
I know I'm sounding a bit stupid and naive here, but honestly I will never agree that we can never know.
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From what I've just read I think buddhism should be avoided at all costs(at least for myself). It seems to be nothing else but the lame attempt to strip away everything human from humans. Is this why all the monks you see on the television seem so bored?
I know I'm sounding a bit stupid and naive here, but honestly I will never agree that we can never know.
lol, you are WAY off!!
Buddhism embraces life, and shows you exactly how to ship around the pain and misery that is life.
You should read up a bit, seriously. You are a curious person, that's great.
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okay, i'm off to bed, thanks to you all for the great discussion!
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lol, you are WAY off!!
Buddhism embraces life, and shows you exactly how to ship around the pain and misery that is life.
You should read up a bit, seriously. You are a curious person, that's great.
I think that is a disgusting way of thinking. Seems like a long lost cousin to abrahamic faiths where you are imperfect and full of dirty "sins".
Please correct me if I'm wrong but whenever a philosophy or religion says that life is a misery I get VERY suspicious.
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I think that is a disgusting way of thinking. Seems like a long lost cousin to abrahamic faiths where you are imperfect and full of dirty "sins".
Please correct me if I'm wrong but whenever a philosophy or religion says that life is a misery I get VERY suspicious.
Philosopher would ask even what the meaning of misery.
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feeling the love from gene and shadow 8)
Ok, buddhism doesn't have any sort of gods.
But what I was referring to is statements like this:
Those are metaphoric gods.
Buddha has spoken about god and various other gods (Hindu). When asked about is there one almighty god he always said it doesn't matter, because if there is a god or not humans still have to gain enlightenment for themselves, god or gods wont help.
he also spoke of the Hindu gods kyomu mentioned, and heaven and hell as we know it. He said there are various levels of beings, some on higher planes some on lower planes, ( Krishna, Mara, demons, angels, ghosts, etc - he didn't use all these terms, I'm writing in terms a Christian would understand) each one on that level due to their karma, but they are also striving for enlightenment as they, like us, still have the endless cycle of death and life.
some were present as Buddha gave talks about enlightenment to listened to Buddha themselves - but humans could not see them as they were on different planes.
i hope this helps clarify some things for you.
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I think that is a disgusting way of thinking. Seems like a long lost cousin to abrahamic faiths where you are imperfect and full of dirty "sins".
Please correct me if I'm wrong but whenever a philosophy or religion says that life is a misery I get VERY suspicious.
lol, it's TOTALLY different from the original sin, it's simply the truth!
These are the "four noble truths":
1. The Nature of Suffering (Dukkha):
"This is the noble truth of suffering: birth is suffering, aging is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair are suffering; union with what is displeasing is suffering; separation from what is pleasing is suffering; not to get what one wants is suffering; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering."[9][10]
2. Suffering's Origin (Samudaya):
"This is the noble truth of the origin of suffering: it is this craving which leads to renewed existence, accompanied by delight and lust, seeking delight here and there, that is, craving for sensual pleasures, craving for existence, craving for extermination."[9][10]
3. Suffering's Cessation (Nirodha):
"This is the noble truth of the cessation of suffering: it is the remainderless fading away and cessation of that same craving, the giving up and relinquishing of it, freedom from it, nonreliance on it."[9][10]
4. The Way (Mārga) Leading to the Cessation of Suffering:
"This is the noble truth of the way leading to the cessation of suffering: it is the Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration."[11][12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha
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What I gathered so far: Buddha was feeling bad, so he went crazy instead. What's so bad about feeling bad, it ain't worth it going totaly high and holy from it. I have concluded it's a bunch of crap. Why study something that doesn't exists.
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What I gathered so far: Buddha was feeling bad, so he went crazy instead. What's so bad about feeling bad, it ain't worth it going totaly high and holy from it. I have concluded it's a bunch of crap. Why study something that doesn't exists.
well rami, whatever path you chose, if you focus on helping others and doing no harm then you will advance your spirit/karma regardless of what you believe.
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well rami, whatever path you chose, if you focus on helping others and doing no harm then you will advance your spirit/karma regardless of what you believe.
that is rather heartwarming to hear
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well rami, whatever path you chose, if you focus on helping others and doing no harm then you will advance your spirit/karma regardless of what you believe.
agreed, i doesn't even matter. you don't have to believe in anything.
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agreed, i doesn't even matter. you don't have to believe in anything.
You obviously have to believe in karma, don't you? How can you gain good karma if it doesn't exist?
Sorry to be so picky about these things but I can not for the life of me understand why people insist on complicating these simple matters and invoke all kinds of "superstitious" or imaginary things. I have never "believed" or given this karma thing credit for more than a few seconds and my life and attitude doesn't seem to have suffered.
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You obviously have to believe in karma, don't you? How can you gain good karma if it doesn't exist?
Sorry to be so picky about these things but I can not for the life of me understand why people insist on complicating these simple matters and invoke all kinds of "superstitious" or imaginary things. I have never "believed" or given this karma thing credit for more than a few seconds and my life and attitude doesn't seem to have suffered.
how is karma superstitous?
MAybe you do not understand what karma is? it's only cause and reaction. simple physics, or simplest philosophy.
I don't want to be picky myself, but YOU are the one making it all complicated, because you simply do not know much about these things and they are all new to you.
It's like explaining the Alphabet to a child or an adult. For the adult, it's easy, simple, basic, for the child it's a whole new world.
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feeling the love from gene and shadow 8)
Buddha has spoken about god and various other gods (Hindu). When asked about is there one almighty god he always said it doesn't matter, because if there is a god or not humans still have to gain enlightenment for themselves, god or gods wont help.
he also spoke of the Hindu gods kyomu mentioned, and heaven and hell as we know it. He said there are various levels of beings, some on higher planes some on lower planes, ( Krishna, Mara, demons, angels, ghosts, etc - he didn't use all these terms, I'm writing in terms a Christian would understand) each one on that level due to their karma, but they are also striving for enlightenment as they, like us, still have the endless cycle of death and life.
some were present as Buddha gave talks about enlightenment to listened to Buddha themselves - but humans could not see them as they were on different planes.
i hope this helps clarify some things for you.
Does it bother you that there was likely no historical Buddha?
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how is karma superstitous?
MAybe you do not understand what karma is? it's only cause and reaction. simple physics, or simplest philosophy.
I don't want to be picky myself, but YOU are the one making it all complicated, because you simply do not know much about these things and they are all new to you.
It's like explaining the Alphabet to a child or an adult. For the adult, it's easy, simple, basic, for the child it's a whole new world.
Well, do you believe karma exists as a real force? That you're gonna get what you deserve? Are they somehow linked with Newtonian physics? Does it require reincarnation? Fatpanda believes all these things without a shred of proof. Do you?
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Well, do you believe karma exists as a real force? That you're gonna get what you deserve? Are they somehow linked with Newtonian physics? Does it require reincarnation? Fatpanda believes all these things without a shred of proof. Do you?
Lovemonkey, you do not understand karma. What you see as karma is what 80s american tv series and disney animation told you is karma.
Karma is cause and reaction, if you want to call this a "force", feel free to do it, it doesn't matter.
Just live your life, one moment at a time. All that matters is this moment, in fact it's all you have. And you will eventually realize that this little moment is a damn good moment. THAT is the way to live life.
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Lovemonkey, you do not understand karma. What you see as karma is what 80s american tv series and disney animation told you is karma.
Karma is cause and reaction, if you want to call this a "force", feel free to do it, it doesn't matter.
Just live your life, one moment at a time. All that matters is this moment, in fact it's all you have. And you will eventually realize that this little moment is a damn good moment. THAT is the way to live life.
Ok, so your way of looking at karma is as a metaphor? I've noticed as soon I push you guys on the "reality" of your philosophies you never give a proper answer and say "it doesn't matter". Then what's the point to begin with?
What you see as karma is what 80s american tv series and disney animation told you is karma.
Well no, I've thought of karma as a metaphor for "justice" if you will(non-existent force), but I got a bit confused when I discussed it with Fatpanda when he said he believed all things mentioned above(which require supernatural intervention). I was just curios if you did as well.
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Ok, so your way of looking at karma is as a metaphor? I've noticed as soon I push you guys on the "reality" of your philosophies you never give a proper answer and say "it doesn't matter". Then what's the point to begin with?
Well no, I've thought of karma as a metaphor for "justice" if you will(non-existent force), but I got a bit confused when I discussed it with Fatpanda when he said he believed all things mentioned above(which require supernatural intervention). I was just curios if you did as well.
You have to let loose all those words and definitions. karma is karma. Stop trying to push it into "metaphor", "force", "superstitious", "god". This is western thinking, and it fails to describe karma.
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You have to let loose all those words and definitions. karma is karma. Stop trying to push it into "metaphor", "force", "superstitious", "god". This is western thinking, and it fails to describe karma.
Alright, then I suppose there's not much more to discuss. Karma is nothing and at the same time everything?
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Alright, then I suppose there's not much more to discuss. Karma is nothing and at the same time everything?
somehow, yes.
It's there, but you don't have to think about it, as it is the basic of life. It's connected to the four noble truths i wrote above.
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somehow, yes.
It's there, but you don't have to think about it, as it is the basic of life. It's connected to the four noble truths i wrote above.
The Four Noble truths are nice but in practice virtually impossible to live by. Anyone living a normal life does NOT.
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The Four Noble truths are nice but in practice virtually impossible to live by. Anyone living a normal life does NOT.
That's kinda what I was getting at before... that it seems like these philosophies try to take away every thing human from humans if you follow them strictly.
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That's kinda what I was getting at before... that it seems like these philosophies try to take away every thing human from humans if you follow them strictly.
You can do it in bits and pieces but the Four Noble Truths don't allow you participate in society properly.
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We dont have to be human. We dont have to progress. We dont have to live. We dont have to die. We dont have to do anything..
Since we are free from the beginning, why we have to?
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We dont have to be human. We dont have to progress. We dont have to live. We dont have to die. We dont have to do anything..
Since we are free from the beginning, why we have to?
If you wanna go mentally ill about philosophy then that is true yes.
But I'm glad that I do not share this view with you, what a way to diminish your own life's worth.
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If you wanna go mentally ill about philosophy then that is true yes.
But I'm glad that I do not share this view with you, what a way to diminish your own life's worth.
Hahahaha. In reallity, you are in that limited cage called human,live...etc while i am so unlimited and vastly free due to not deciding who i am.
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Does it bother you that there was likely no historical Buddha?
no because there were many buddha's actually, but if you mean Siddhārtha Gautama - there is plenty of proof he existed, if you actually look. ;)
Well no, I've thought of karma as a metaphor for "justice" if you will(non-existent force), but I got a bit confused when I discussed it with Fatpanda when he said he believed all things mentioned above(which require supernatural intervention). I was just curios if you did as well.
please explain what you think i said about supernatural intervention ? and i will clarify.
The Four Noble truths are nice but in practice virtually impossible to live by. Anyone living a normal life does NOT.
the four noble truths are not a guide to live by, but simply an explaination as to how the world works, or should i say why it doesn't work.
the noble eightfold path is the guide to end suffering that the 4 noble truths describe, however you you would probably find them impossible to live by as you do not meditate - meditation is needed to purify and focus the mind, which helps with things like right mindfullness, right thought, right understanding, etc.
meditation is key.
aren't you a jew ? jews used to realise the benefits of meditation and chanting, the kabbala etc
do you or have you ever practiced this ?
jesus, mohammed, moses all meditated ;)
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How'd this end up on The Positive Board?
I just read the last few posts and it seems like it might be a better fit on the religion board, anyone want to disagree or clarify what the subject is about?
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Fatpanda is a nice guy but slightly misled.
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How'd this end up on The Positive Board?
I just read the last few posts and it seems like it might be a better fit on the religion board, anyone want to disagree or clarify what the subject is about?
I agree, Chaos.
If i were a mod i would try and move it...........but i'm still not a mod. :(
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I agree, Chaos.
If i were a mod i would try and move it...........but i'm still not a mod. :(
I'm not reading the first 10 pages, I just want to know if I should leave it here, move it, or delete the whole thread. :-\
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I'm not reading the first 10 pages, I just want to know if I should leave it here, move it, or delete the whole thread. :-\
I would move it to the religion board and let them deal with it.
Or just delete it all..... ;D
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Hahahaha. In reallity, you are in that limited cage called human,live...etc while i am so unlimited and vastly free due to not deciding who i am.
Don't kid yourself, you're in that cage as well.
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no because there were many buddha's actually, but if you mean Siddhārtha Gautama - there is plenty of proof he existed, if you actually look. ;)
please explain what you think i said about supernatural intervention ? and i will clarify.
the four noble truths are not a guide to live by, but simply an explaination as to how the world works, or should i say why it doesn't work.
the noble eightfold path is the guide to end suffering that the 4 noble truths describe, however you you would probably find them impossible to live by as you do not meditate - meditation is needed to purify and focus the mind, which helps with things like right mindfullness, right thought, right understanding, etc.
meditation is key.
aren't you a jew ? jews used to realise the benefits of meditation and chanting, the kabbala etc
do you or have you ever practiced this ?
jesus, mohammed, moses all meditated ;)
good post!
Also, in buddhism, there aren't strict rules as in christianity. "Thou shalt not lie" means "thou shalt not lie", no matter what.
"Right speech" in buddhism says you shouldn't lie as well, but in a certain situation "right speech" might mean that it is better to lie to someone.
This is much closer to humans than christianity.
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Fatpanda is a nice guy but slightly misled.
bahahaaa i didnt write that
Nice job editing on what i really wrote ;)
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I agree, Chaos.
If i were a mod i would try and move it...........but i'm still not a mod. :(
chaos i feel this is a positive thread, a very positive thread. Both donkeykong and myself have said sorry to our fellow getbiggers for previous wrong doings, and want to start a more positive way of posting and debating out fellow man/woman in getbig about bodybuilding, or anything - it is my belief in karma and doing good that led me and probably dk to post our apologies. We also believe in Buddhism, hence the topic of Buddhism coming up as many fellow getbiggers like love monkey see it as a very positive thing.
good post!
Also, in Buddhism, there aren't strict rules as in christianity. "Thou shalt not lie" means "thou shalt not lie", no matter what.
"Right speech" in Buddhism says you shouldn't lie as well, but in a certain situation "right speech" might mean that it is better to lie to someone.
This is much closer to humans than christianity.
i agree, i can't believe we have went so long no having these wonderful discussions dk, and everyone else that has participated on this glorious thread. :)
bahahaaa i didnt write that
Nice job editing on what i really wrote ;)
did it originally say 'great guy' :D
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Yep, if i were a mod i would delete this shit.......no doubt about it.
j/k
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Yep, if i were a mod i would delete this shit.......no doubt about it.
j/k
Then Karma would bite your ass and in your next life, you would become a thread moved to the alphabet boards!!
;D ;D ;D
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Then Karma would bite your ass and in your next life, you would become a thread moved to the alphabet boards!!
;D ;D ;D
Gayer than karma.......
;D
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Gayer than karma.......
;D
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Gayer than.........well no, Boy George is about the epitome of gayness.
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Gayer than.........well no, Boy George is about the epitome of gayness.
You see, we can go back to buddhism now.
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You see, we can go back to buddhism now.
No, DK, we can't.......
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It's all irrelevant drivel anyway as long as only egos are talking, which is the case in this thread of course.
Anyone who thinks he has 'got' it, is in fact an ego who has turned 'it' into an ideology to build himself up.
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It's all irrelevant drivel anyway as long as only egos are talking, which is the case in this thread of course.
Anyone who thinks he has 'got' it, is in fact an ego who has turned 'it' into an ideology to build himself up.
yes, it's difficult if you try to teach or speak about it, because this way you have to limit yourself to the illusion you live in.
You can only find out for yourself.
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yes, it's difficult if you try to teach or speak about it, because this way you have to limit yourself to the illusion you live in.
You can only find out for yourself.
Let's be honest, it's impossible to teach it if you haven't realized enlightenment. I don't think anyone in this thread has. We have our glimpses maybe, but as soon as words leave our mouth, it's all tainted by the ego again.
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Let's be honest, it's impossible to teach it if you haven't realized enlightenment. I don't think anyone in this thread has. We have our glimpses maybe, but as soon as words leave our mouth, it's all tainted by the ego again.
I disagree on this one, as you can recite sutras and other stuff, even if you do not understand it all.
It's also the question is you can reach awakening (enlightment is a wrong translation) in this life. Some buddhist schools say yes, some no.
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the problem with meditation is there are many different kinds, and you may need a specific one to gain maxiumum focus, for instance - focus on breath, mantra, yoga postures, etc you may try loats but never reach your full potential, unless you find the ideal meditation focus for you. Some need to meditate on love, some hate, etc
i havn't found mine yet :(
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I disagree on this one, as you can recite sutras and other stuff, even if you do not understand it all.
It's also the question is you can reach awakening (enlightment is a wrong translation) in this life. Some buddhist schools say yes, some no.
That's a good example. If two buddhist schools fight about whether you can reach enlightenment (resp. awake to the reality of being enlightened already) in "this" life or the "next", IMO that's already the wrong path. This is fundamentalism, interpreting spiritual scripture literally and turning it into an ideology.
Of course you can teach certain aspects of a spiritual tradition but your words will never have the required transforming power to push your students into realizing the essential truth, something that's beyond any understanding the thinking mind is capable of anyway.
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the problem with meditation is there are many different kinds, and you may need a specific one to gain maxiumum focus, for instance - focus on breath, mantra, yoga postures, etc you may try loats but never reach your full potential, unless you find the ideal meditation focus for you. Some need to meditate on love, some hate, etc
i havn't found mine yet :(
IMO that's because there is no method. The project mentality of meditation is a construct of the ego.
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no because there were many buddha's actually, but if you mean Siddhārtha Gautama - there is plenty of proof he existed, if you actually look. ;)
please explain what you think i said about supernatural intervention ? and i will clarify.
the four noble truths are not a guide to live by, but simply an explaination as to how the world works, or should i say why it doesn't work.
the noble eightfold path is the guide to end suffering that the 4 noble truths describe, however you you would probably find them impossible to live by as you do not meditate - meditation is needed to purify and focus the mind, which helps with things like right mindfullness, right thought, right understanding, etc.
meditation is key.
aren't you a jew ? jews used to realise the benefits of meditation and chanting, the kabbala etc
do you or have you ever practiced this ?
jesus, mohammed, moses all meditated ;)
All of those figures with the exception PERHAPS of Mohammed were likely fictitious. Yes, I have done meditation for a while. Difficult stuff.
'Jewish' is a near impossible thing to define.
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Let's be honest, it's impossible to teach it if you haven't realized enlightenment. I don't think anyone in this thread has. We have our glimpses maybe, but as soon as words leave our mouth, it's all tainted by the ego again.
ZFW
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ZFW
Zaster für Wavelength?
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Zaster für Wavelength?
Zitiert Fuer Wahrheit ;)
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Zitiert Fuer Wahrheit ;)
weiss eh ;D
ich würde ja eher ZDWW (Zitiert Der Wahrheit Wegen) sagen. :)
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weiss eh ;D
ich würde ja eher ZDWW (Zitiert Der Wahrheit Wegen) sagen. :)
Naja, Hochgestochen kann ich das auch schreiben, wollte aber das Englische genau wiedergeben.
ZOW...
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bahahaaa i didnt write that
Nice job editing on what i really wrote ;)
This is The Positive Board. ;)
This thread will stay here as long as two rules are met......
1) It stays Positive. :)
2) It stays in English!!
Don't make me delete posts I can't read. ;D
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This is The Positive Board. ;)
This thread will stay here as long as two rules are met......
1) It stays Positive. :)
2) It stays in English!!
Don't make me delete posts I can't read. ;D
Sorry about that, wasn't anything important anyway.
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This is The Positive Board. ;)
This thread will stay here as long as two rules are met......
1) It stays Positive. :)
2) It stays in English!!
Don't make me delete posts I can't read. ;D
No problem! We want to create good karma!
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IMO that's because there is no method. The project mentality of meditation is a construct of the ego.
true in a sense, but your ego may still only repond to a specific type of meditation. Or perhaps i should say all will work eventually to focus the mind and achieve no thoughts, but some would allow you to obtain it quicker because its specifically how you work.
what we can agree on is the effects proper mediation brings, as there are many of the same descriptions of each stage.
meditation is hard :(
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All of those figures with the exception PERHAPS of Mohammed were likely fictitious. Yes, I have done meditation for a while. Difficult stuff.
you have no proof of this.
'Jewish' is a near impossible thing to define.
not for me - someone who practices judaism is jewish.
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true in a sense, but your ego may still only repond to a specific type of meditation. Or perhaps i should say all will work eventually to focus the mind and achieve no thoughts, but some would allow you to obtain it quicker because its specifically how you work.
what we can agree on is the effects proper mediation brings, as there are many of the same descriptions of each stage.
meditation is hard :(
Acutally i liked it a lot. Recently i stopped and couldn't motivate myself to go to the Zen Dojo though.
But i did it quite some time, 45mins sitting, then 10mins walking meditation and then 45mins again. Felt like a newborn everytime after it.
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Acutally i liked it a lot. Recently i stopped and couldn't motivate myself to go to the Zen Dojo though.
But i did it quite some time, 45mins sitting, then 10mins walking meditation and then 45mins again. Felt like a newborn everytime after it.
i seem to have went backward, when i first started i focussed on the breath and i felt great, i had a wave of energy start from my feet and move up to my chest, but i panicked everytime it got close to my neck, and came out quick - i don't know why.
i also got strange pulsating hard-ons :-\
now i can't quiet my mind at al, every little thought pops in there when i try.
i think i want it too much, and i'm trying to force it ( a big no no) while my best results were when i was just experimenting to se if it really did anything i.e. no expectations.
there is a large Tibetan Buddhist monastery here in scotland called samye ling, i will have to go sometime for guidance.
(http://www.samyeling.org/mediashare/yr/k4do3mvauwavnhzgssn0cm7xhdz54n-org.jpg)
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you should always meditate in a group as a beginner. Makes it much easier.
Plus, you should just sit. Focusing on your breath is fine, but it should be mere counting to ten to calm your mind. At least, that's the Zen approach, other buddhist schools meditate over Mandala or Sutra texts, which is not so bad as well after all.
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true in a sense, but your ego may still only repond to a specific type of meditation. Or perhaps i should say all will work eventually to focus the mind and achieve no thoughts, but some would allow you to obtain it quicker because its specifically how you work.
what we can agree on is the effects proper mediation brings, as there are many of the same descriptions of each stage.
meditation is hard :(
Yes meditation brings a lot of "effects". Very strange sensations can arise. But that's all irrelevant in the end IMO. You can have the most amazing out-of-body experiences, visions of other worlds, lucent dreams, even manage to quiet your mind completely for some time and still remain completely unaware in your every day life.
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
Fatpanda
you're right, getbig is FAMOUS for people ripping each other apart, being nice has much better karma
it was coming to a point where i would go out of my way to be an asshole just to fit into to the online "getbig image"
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you're right, getbig is FAMOUS for people ripping each other apart, being nice has much better karma
it was coming to a point where i would go out of my way to be an asshole just to fit into to the online "getbig image"
yip, if i'm honest thats what i liked most about getbig, the ruthless ownings of pros, and everyone else, but like you say you do it yourself and realise sometimes it goes too far i.e. da's grandfather, squads address, candy's mom, the coaches kid, seva's paedo pictures , insulting the women here etc :-X
there is no doubt you were one of the best at winding people up, i found you both incredibly annoying and funny with your multiple gimmicks.
however all is forgiven AXA, as i hope you forgive me.
we can start fresh here and now. 8)
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yip, if i'm honest thats what i liked most about getbig, the ruthless ownings of pros, and everyone else, but like you say you do it yourself and realise sometimes it goes too far i.e. da's grandfather, squads address, candy's mom, the coaches kid, seva's paedo pictures , insulting the women here etc :-X
there is no doubt you were one of the best at winding people up, i found you both incredibly annoying and funny with your multiple gimmicks.
however all is forgiven AXA, as i hope you forgive me.
we can start fresh here and now. 8)
ofcourse my friend
you smell that? it's the smell of a new era in getbig .... accomodated by the smell of protein farts from all the members ;D
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It's all irrelevant drivel anyway as long as only egos are talking, which is the case in this thread of course.
Anyone who thinks he has 'got' it, is in fact an ego who has turned 'it' into an ideology to build himself up.
"always search for the truth, but run from those who say they have found it"
hmmmm
i agree and disagree. if "enlightenment" does exist, then it must be possible to attain.
or are you saying that its possible to attain, just not possible to speak about ? :D
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"always search for the truth, but run from those who say they have found it"
hmmmm
i agree and disagree. if "enlightenment" does exist, then it must be possible to attain.
or are you saying that its possible to attain, just not possible to speak about ? :D
It's possible to speak about it but only in pointers. You can e.g. have two statements about awakening that totaly oppose each other and are still both true if they manage to break through the layers of our thinking mind and point us to the truth.
One example is "awakening can be attained" vs. "awakening cannot be attained". Your logic does not take into account that what the mind believes to know about "existence" has nothing to do with the "existence of enlightenment". One could say, since for the thinking mind, awakening cannot exist, it can also not be attained by it.
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well i think your acually speaking about enlightenment here, not just in the one way that you are detailing about the way in which its possible to speak about enlightenment (two contradictory phrases which are both true) , but by doing so.....your actually inform about the state of enlightement, beyond just telling me in which way one can talk about it.
however, then again, if you can only speak about enlightenment through showing two opposing things which are both true (which is what you said), then your above writing can not be accurate about enlightenment, since it deviates from that set path which you said is the only possible way to speak on the subject matter.
maybe this is why monks are always quiet. ;D
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well i think your speaking about it here, but not just in the one way you just described. your details here about the way in which its possible to speak about enlightenment, actually inform about the state of enlightement, beyond just telling me thats you can talk about it in just one way.
however, then again, if you can only speak about enlightenment through showing two opposing things which are both true, then your above writing can not be accurate about enlightenment, since it deviates from that set path which you said is the oly possible way to spak on the subject matter.
I must honestly say that I didn't understand one word of that paragraph, can you rephrase?
maybe this is why monks are always quiet. ;D
IMO most monks who are quiet, are quiet because their ego tells them that it will bring them closer to the truth.
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there, i edited my post, so now it should make a bit more sense.
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there, i edited my post, so now it should make a bit more sense.
Excuse me I'm a little slow today, but I guess what you're saying is that my explanation attempt would have to fall into the same category as any other explanation (which has an opposing one), and I agree. My statements are either 100% a construct of my ego or just parroting of something I read. I'm of course included in my original statement about the irrelevant drivel in his thread.
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Excuse me I'm a little slow today, but I guess what you're saying is that my explanation attempt would have to fall into the same category as any other explanation (which has an opposing one), and I agree. My statements are either 100% a construct of my ego or just parroting of something I read. I'm of course included in my original statement about the irrelevant drivel in his thread.
your explanation would fall into that category,
you explained a way in which you could explain enlightenment
and in doing so, you explained enlightenment in a different way
by giving details about a way in which a person could speak abotu enlightenment without involving ego, i am given more clues as to the real nature of enlightenment
now about enlightenment.... i think its achievable but i dont know if its possile to have it permanently
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i'm confused by your post too candy > :(
buddha spoke about others who have attained enlightenment - he said many decide not to talk about what they have discovered, both because they know they could never explain it properly, and because once you realise the truth you think on another level of sorts. Also some simply decide to end the cycle of births and death right away.
budha chose to try to educate and guide others. :)
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i really dont know anything about buddah or buddism, other than the fact i have a buddist t shirt i got in a thrift shop in davis that i like to wear, and also if anybody ask my reilgion i say zen buddism.
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your explanation would fall into that category,
you explained a way in which you could explain enlightenment
and in doing so, you explained enlightenment in a different way
by giving details about a way in which a person could speak abotu enlightenment without involving ego, i am given more clues as to the real nature of enlightenment
now about enlightenment.... i think its achievable but i dont know if its possile to have it permanently
It's only true awakening if it's permanent. Everything else is only an emotional outburst where the "enlightenment" is gone as soon as the emotion that comes with it is gone. However, awakening means nothing else than to realize that we are enligtened beeings all the way. If someone awakens, he is an enlightened beeing for his whole life, "before" and "after" his awakening. It comes with the realization that there is in fact no such thing as past and future and therefore it would be ridiculous to talk about when you are (have been) awake and when not.
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i really dont know anything about buddah or buddism, other than the fact i have a buddist t shirt i got in a thrift shop in davis that i like to wear, and also if anybody ask my reilgion i say zen buddism.
you should read up on it candy, i think you will like what you read. many truths become apparent once you understand the 4 noble truths.
It's only true awakening if it's permanent. Everything else is only an emotional outburst where the "enlightenment" is gone as soon as the emotion that comes with it is gone. However, awakening means nothing else than to realize that we are enligtened beeings all the way. If someone awakens, he is an enlightened beeing for his whole life, "before" and "after" his awakening. It comes with the realization that there is in fact no such thing as past and future and therefore it would be ridiculous to talk about when you are (have been) awake and when not.
i disagree wave, i've never read or heard that regarding time. quite the opposite in fact, buddha spoke about past lives, and karma in those past lives. he also spoke of his time before enlightenment i.e. past tense.
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i disagree wave, i've never read or heard that regarding time. quite the opposite in fact, buddha spoke about past lives, and karma in those past lives. he also spoke of his time before enlightenment i.e. past tense.
That's the thing with spiritual scripture, the mind wants to take it literally.
Quite obviously, one can only be awake at one single moment, the now. It's the only moment our whole life happens in.
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That's the thing with spiritual scripture, the mind wants to take it literally.
Quite obviously, one can only be awake at one single moment, the now. It's the only moment our whole life happens in.
sometimes you should take it literally ;)
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sometimes you should take it literally ;)
Well maybe you're right. As I said, all drivel anyway.
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Well maybe you're right. As I said, all drivel anyway.
:o :( :'(
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ofcourse my friend
you smell that? it's the smell of a new era in getbig .... accomodated by the smell of protein farts from all the members ;D
Now for the record, am I your gimmick or not?
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:o :( :'(
Sorry I was primarily referring to my own contributions. :)
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Sorry I was primarily referring to my own contributions. :)
i value your contributions wave - they are always thought provoking :)
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i value your contributions wave - they are always thought provoking :)
that's the problem, enlightenment = no thought ;D
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;D see what i mean, another thought provoking post ;D
you do realise you are stopping me reaching enlightenment :(
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When will this stupid thread just die?
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When will this stupid thread just die?
what is this?!.. the last post before your post dd april 08 (about 40 days ago) so i believe your comment doesn't make any sense!!
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Over the past few years i have owned many a getbigger, some great some not so great.
I have attacked most who disagree with anything i say, and been ruthless in my anger.
I now realise i am so far in peoples heads, it is upsetting them on a personal level.
However i would like to say i am aware of this, and will try from this moment on to be nicer to everyone.
I believe in Karma, and although i try to be nice always - i have failed too many times.
So this is my official apology, sorry for any offence caused.
I would like to extend my help and advices to anyone who needs or asks.
Take care
Fatpanda
sorry
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what is this?!.. the last post before your post dd april 08 (about 40 days ago) so i believe your comment doesn't make any sense!!
Whenever I click the "show new replies to your posts" button, this is always near the top, but I usually just click on it then get out because I find the topic so boring. Wish I never would have posted on it. >:(
But good job on the detective work my Arab friend. ;)
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Whenever I click the "show new replies to your posts" button, this is always near the top, but I usually just click on it then get out because I find the topic so boring. Wish I never would have posted on it. >:(
But good job on the detective work my Arab friend. ;)
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:)
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;D I'm stalking this guy. I've been posting these pics on every board thinking I was being funny, because he hurt my feelings and I'm quite the little bitch and can't let it go. :'(
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Fat Panda is a bit obese, but he is a good man. Although the pictures are a bit funny of him. ;D Thanks for the laugh :)
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I got to admit, the picture of Connie looks pretty similar to Ahmed or as you know him FatPanda. Sorry FatPanda,it's funny. Apology to you BIg Kevin. :) Be safe good friend.
No worries man
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No worries man, I'm a bottom bitch and make shit up as I go along because my real life friends pick on me.
BKD, bro, I appreciate your honesty, but this isn't The Dr. Phil board.
If you're having troubles, feel free to start your very own thread asking for advice. :)
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I am still laughing about that fat picture of Panda. Impressive work. Still laughing about it Celtic Warrior.
Me to. ;)
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Me to. ;)
It will be OK.
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It will be OK.
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:o :-X Nice editing you did there.
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:o :-X Nice editing you did there.
Have a good day Chaos. Is it overcast where you're at also? ;) You can delete , if you want, you are a good sport. ;D
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Have a good day Chaos. Is it overcast where you're at also? ;) You can delete , if you want, you are a good sport. ;D
It was overcast but the sun is shining through.......I'm going for a ride in a bit, beautiful day.