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Title: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 11:04:49 AM
Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
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First Posted: 08-13-09 11:10 AM   |   Updated: 08-13-09 11:15 AM

A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: "Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion."

Representatives from both the White House and PhRMA, shown the outline, adamantly denied that it reflected reality. PhRMA senior vice president Ken Johnson said that the outline "is simply not accurate." "This memo isn't accurate and does not reflect the agreement with the drug companies," said White House spokesman Reid Cherlin.

Stories in the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times last week indicated that the administration was confirming that such a deal had been made.

Critics on Capitol Hill and online responded with outrage at the reports that Obama had gone behind their backs and sold the reform movement short. Furthermore, the deal seemed to be a betrayal of several promises made by then-Sen. Obama during the presidential campaign, among them that he would use the power of government to drive down the costs of drugs to Medicare and that negotiations would be conducted in the open.

And over the past several days, both the White House and PhRMA have offered a series of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in an attempt to walk back the story.

Story continues below 

The White House meeting took place on July 7th, as first reported that evening in the Wall Street Journal. Also on the same day, a health care lobbyist following the talks was provided the outline of the deal by a person inside the negotiations. That outline had been floating around K Street before being obtained by the Huffington Post. In order to learn more about its origin, HuffPost agreed not to reveal the name of the lobbyist who originally received it.

"That is the PhRMA deal," said the lobbyist of the outline. He then clarified, "It was the PhRMA deal."  

The deal, as outlined in the memo:

Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion.

1. Agree to increase of Medicaid rebate from 15.1 - 23.1% ($34 billion)

2. Agree to get FOBs done (but no agreement on details -- express disagreement on data exclusivity which both sides say does not affect the score of the legislation.) ($9 billion)

3. Sell drugs to patients in the donut hole at 50% discount ($25 billion)
This totals $68 billion

4. Companies will be assessed a tax or fee that will score at $12 billion. There was no agreement as to how or on what this tax/fee will be based.

Total: $80 billion

In exchange for these items, the White House agreed to:

1. Oppose importation

2. Oppose rebates in Medicare Part D

3. Oppose repeal of non-interference

4. Oppose opening Medicare Part B

"Non-interference" is the industry term for the status quo, in which government-driven price negotiations are barred. In other words, the government is "interfering" in the market if it negotiates lower prices. The ban on negotiating was led through Congress in 2003 by then-Rep. Billy Tauzin (R-La.), who is now the head of PhRMA.

The rebates reference is to Medicare overpayments Big Pharma managed to wrangle from the Republican Congress that Democrats are trying to recoup. The House bill would require Big Pharma to return some of that money. The rebate proposal would save $63 billion over ten years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The White House, given the chance, declined to tell the Wall Street Journal for a July 17th article that it supported the effort to pursue the rebates.

The Medicare Part B item refers to "infusion drugs," which can be administered at home. If they fall under Part B, Big Pharma gets paid more than under Part D. The agreement would leave infusion drugs in Part B.

In the section on Big Pharma's concessions, "FOBs" refers to follow-on biological drugs. Democrats have pushed to make it easier to allow generic drug makers to produce cheaper versions of such drugs, an effort Big Pharma has resisted. The Senate health committee bill gives drug makers 12 years of market exclusivity, five more than the White House proposed.

PhRMA's Johnson cast doubts on the provenance of the outline. "The memo, as described, is simply not accurate," he said in a statement. "Anyone could have written it. Unless it comes from our board of directors, it's not worth the paper it's written on. Clearly, someone is trying to short circuit our efforts to try and make health care reform a reality this year. That's not going to happen. Too much is at stake for both patients and the U.S. economy. Our new ads supporting health care reform are starting this week, and we are redoubling our efforts to drive awareness of why this issue is so important to America's future."

Johnson added that "no outside lobbyists -- not a single one -- were ever involved in our discussions with the Senate Finance Committee or the White House so someone is blowing smoke."

But the lobbyist who was given the outline defended its authenticity. And although the White House now says that drug price negotiations and reimportation were not actually discussed in the talks with PhRMA, the lobbyist said: "Well, that's bull -- that's baloney. That was part of the deal, for them not to push that."

The new uncertainty surrounding the deal comes after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has repeatedly said that her chamber is not bound by any agreement it is not a party to. On July 8th, the day after the Journal reported some elements of the deal, Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said in a public speech that his committee would not be tied down by the agreement.

Before recess, he followed through. His committee passed a bill that allowed for re-importation and drug-price negotiations.

In the Senate, Democrats Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and Byron Dorgan (N.D.) pressed White House officials at a closed-door meeting last week, asking whether the White House had tied the Senate's hands.

The health care lobbyist said that what deal still exists is uncertain, as a result of House pressure. "Now the White House is backing away from it, as you know, because of pressure from the House, because the House was not a party to the deal," he said. "The Speaker put enormous pressure on the White House, [saying], 'We weren't a party to it and we reserve the right to do whatever we want.' And which they did in the House Energy and Commerce Committee bill, which led the White House to say, 'Well, maybe it's not cast in concrete.'"

Obama is walking a tightrope here. He wants to keep PhRMA from opposing the bill, and benefits by having its support, which now includes a $150 million advertising campaign. That's a fortune in politics -- more than Republican presidential candidate John McCain spent on advertising during his entire campaign -- but it's loose change in the pharmaceutical business.

Opponents of the deal with PhRMA hope that Obama is playing a multilayered game, making a deal in order to keep the drug makers in his camp for now, but planning to double-cross them in the end if he needs to in order to pass his signature initiative.

Big Pharma, however, is still comfortable. "As far as the pharmaceutical industry, PhRMA and its member companies, yes, they say a deal is a deal. We'll see what happens," said the health care lobbyist.

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Who is in the pocket of big business?????
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Al Doggity on August 13, 2009, 11:39:10 AM
This is disappointing to me, for sure, but I would think this would make YOU happy. It seems to counter one of the major claims you've been making for the last few months. As opposed to using its size to cripple big business, the government went to great lengths to strike a deal that, by some definitions, would be considered fair to both constituents and big business.  If anything, this is a signal event that the administration has no intention of leveraging corporations out of the health care industry.
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 11:42:12 AM
This is disappointing to me, for sure, but I would think this would make YOU happy. It seems to counter one of the major claims you've been making for the last few months. As opposed to using its size to cripple big business, the government went to great lengths to strike a deal that, by some definitions, would be considered fair to both constituents and big business.  If anything, this is a signal event that the administration has no intention of leveraging corporations out of the health care industry.

Its a sign that the game is rigged against all of us by big govt and big businesses.

Its disgusting to think that the govt cant negotiate a massive volume discount considering howe much it already spends and shows me how cheaply they are bought off for.     
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Al Doggity on August 13, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
So what is it you want? Do you want the government to look out for big business or do you want the government to look out for the taxpayer? It seems that you find a problem with anything the administration does?

Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: The True Adonis on August 13, 2009, 11:49:11 AM
Bernie Sanders is going to be pissed. 
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 11:54:09 AM
So what is it you want? Do you want the government to look out for big business or do you want the government to look out for the taxpayer? It seems that you find a problem with anything the administration does?



I want it took look out for the average taxpayer, not the lobbyists who send hot chicks to push their agenda. 

The govt and big business are in this together.  I favor the small and mid sized business.  The mega corps and the govt are side by side with each other.   
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Al Doggity on August 13, 2009, 11:57:42 AM
Man, for the last few weeks you've been screaming that the gov't's goal was to kill big business.
Now, they're in bed together?

Most health insurance providers ARE big business.
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
Man, for the last few weeks you've been screaming that the gov't's goal was to kill big business.
Now, they're in bed together?

Most health insurance providers ARE big business.

The govt wants t kill small and mid sized business.  Global Companies like GE, GS, WalMart, etc do a dance with the govt to screw us all.  However, you seem to think that the govt is going to look out for you, when it is looking out for these global comglomerates while we take it in the ass.

Just read Taibii's article about GS and that is all you need to know.  GE is exactly the same thing.
   
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: The True Adonis on August 13, 2009, 12:08:49 PM
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
He's exactly right.  Because the govt has so much power to spend so much damn money, the wealthiest corps are able to buy influence to get earmarks, tax regs, etc, so that they insulate themselves from the tax code and ensure that the average working guy gets stuck paying insane taxes to fund all this nonsense.   
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Al Doggity on August 13, 2009, 12:30:25 PM
The govt wants t kill small and mid sized business.  Global Companies like GE, GS, WalMart, etc do a dance with the govt to screw us all.  However, you seem to think that the govt is going to look out for you, when it is looking out for these global comglomerates while we take it in the ass.

Just read Taibii's article about GS and that is all you need to know.  GE is exactly the same thing.
   

What? ??? YOU have been the one hysterically shrieking about the negative effect the health care bill would have on big business. You are doing a convenient about face, as usual, because you found that supports what you already believe.

It's just like Matt Taibbi. I haven't read the Sachs article you're talking about, but I do know he has written about and spoken about the healthcare bill at length. Because the GS article is something you want to believe in, it's everything I need to know. Yet, you're still posting about "death panels" and the like, ignoring very reasonable posts like this:

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/08/12/newt-gingrich-changes-whats-left-of-his-mind-on-end-of-life-care/
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 12:37:11 PM
What? ??? YOU have been the one hysterically shrieking about the negative effect the health care bill would have on big business. You are doing a convenient about face, as usual, because you found that supports what you already believe.

It's just like Matt Taibbi. I haven't read the Sachs article you're talking about, but I do know he has written about and spoken about the healthcare bill at length. Because the GS article is something you want to believe in, it's everything I need to know. Yet, you're still posting about "death panels" and the like, ignoring very reasonable posts like this:

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/08/12/newt-gingrich-changes-whats-left-of-his-mind-on-end-of-life-care/

Believe whatever shit Obama/Geitner/MSNBC/ feeds you, thats your perogative.   If you dont understand or appreciate how GS runs the govt thats your problem not mine.    Whether its Rubin, Paluson, Geitner, Corzine, or the res of the GS gang, they own you, yet you think Obama gies a rats about you???

Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: The True Adonis on August 13, 2009, 12:44:20 PM
The truth is, the current bills right now will do next to nothing in the long run and will just add one more giant tax payer funded government subsidy funneled to whichever Big Insurance company wins the Public Option contract.  Not only will this tax payer subsidy line the pockets of Private Insurance, those who opt for the Public Plan will still be expected to pay for it, even though the Government is already paying the Insurance Company via tax payer funded contract.

This is NOT Universal Healthcare by any other Industrialized Nations standards.  When they call the current bills "Universal Healthcare", what they mean is now there is an option where nobody can be denied and it will be just a little bit cheaper, not much though if at all.  Therefore, nobody can be denied, it is "Universal".

Total bullshit shill game.  Bernie Sanders knows it, Dennis Kucinich knows and some of the others who support True Universal Healthcare, Single Payer know it as well.

Now IF, and if the provision that everybody must purchase a plan DOES go through or else face a fine, than this will be the biggest travesty wrought and I would hope that people do NOT comply by refusing to pay any type of fine levied for not having Insurance.  Don`t think it can`t happen.  People have rolled over in nearly every state in regards to mandatory car insurance ( a few states you do not have to have it) in which you can be taken to JAIL if you do not have it.  That is a travesty in itself as well.

Single Payer eliminates all of this nonsense in the current bills.
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: James on August 13, 2009, 12:44:59 PM
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1. Oppose importation

so much for "change"  ::)
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
There actually a lot of libs on the Huffington Post who seem irate over this nonsense.   
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: James on August 13, 2009, 12:55:35 PM
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There actually a lot of libs on the Huffington Post who seem irate over this nonsense.

33386,  Do you go to that website ?
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 12:56:07 PM
33386,  Do you go to that website ?

Yes, I look at many sites.   
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: The True Adonis on August 13, 2009, 12:57:01 PM
There actually a lot of libs on the Huffington Post who seem irate over this nonsense.   
I think Keith Olbermann is going to hit extra hard on this.  Perhaps even a special comment.  
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Al Doggity on August 13, 2009, 01:16:32 PM
Believe whatever shit Obama/Geitner/MSNBC/ feeds you, thats your perogative.   If you dont understand or appreciate how GS runs the govt thats your problem not mine.    Whether its Rubin, Paluson, Geitner, Corzine, or the res of the GS gang, they own you, yet you think Obama gies a rats about you???



 ::)

I'm not the one with the history of believing whatever pops up on my computer screen, just because it sounds like something I want to hear. 
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2009, 01:18:56 PM
::)

I'm not the one with the history of believing whatever pops up on my computer screen, just because it sounds like something I want to hear. 

No, only that Paulson, Geithener, Rubin, Obama, Bernake, Larry Summers, et al are telling you the truth.     
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Al Doggity on August 13, 2009, 01:29:06 PM
No, only that Paulson, Geithener, Rubin, Obama, Bernake, Larry Summers, et al are telling you the truth.     

 ::) I don't have a history of that, either. What I do have a good record of doing is sorting through garbage from either side and getting to the truth.
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 23, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
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Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: 240 is Back on November 23, 2011, 09:19:34 AM
big pharma would have made that deal with mccain too had he won.

ron paul 2012, time to clean out the garbage.
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 23, 2011, 09:26:56 AM
big pharma would have made that deal with mccain too had he won.

ron paul 2012, time to clean out the garbage.

 ::)  ::)

so that makes it ok?
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 23, 2011, 09:29:08 AM
Believe whatever shit Obama/Geitner/MSNBC/ feeds you, thats your perogative.   If you dont understand or appreciate how GS runs the govt thats your problem not mine.    Whether its Rubin, Paluson, Geitner, Corzine, or the res of the GS gang, they own you, yet you think Obama gies a rats about you???



hhhmmmmm - look who was going after corzine way back when?   
Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: 240 is Back on November 23, 2011, 09:43:05 AM
::)  ::)

so that makes it ok?

i called obama 'garbage' and said it's time to 'clean out', as in remove from office thru the electoral process.

Title: Re: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 11, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
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