What are the odds that this street punk resisted arrest and went for the cop?
Well well well. Ferguson Police have the video of this 6'4", 290 pound, street punk strong arming a black midget convenience store employee during a robbery moments before the call went out and the cop caught him in a nearby parking lot. Same kid, same clothes and same hat. So far only FOX has released the convenience store video. And the "witness" in favor of "police brutality" just might be Brown's accomplice. The store clerk can do the identification. All the liberal news outlets such as Huffington, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC are only showing articles anti police and nothing regarding facts.
What are the odds that this street punk resisted arrest and went for the cop?
The Mo.Governor, Obama, Sharpton, Black Panthers and the liberal media are looking for the Race Card.
Better than 90%.
I just find it unintentionally hilarious that the progressives are getting the vapors about the brutal militarized police that they built to enforce their power when it brings the boot heel down on their pet Hebrews. If the boot was on the neck of some...say...white ranchers, progressives would be laughing and be deliriously happy with their Gestapo.
Better than 90%.
I just find it unintentionally hilarious that the progressives are getting the vapors about the brutal militarized police that they built to enforce their power when it brings the boot heel down on their pet Hebrews. If the boot was on the neck of some...say...white ranchers, progressives would be laughing and be deliriously happy with their Gestapo.
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_missouri_robbery_wy_140815_16x9_992.jpg)This was right before he was shot.
This was right before he was shot.
Also, he assaulted the cop, pushed him in the car and tried to grab his gun. The cop did the right thing.
Have you read anything about the police officer being black? That would be hilariousOnce Al Sharpton and company learn about that and the robbery, they will slowly try to pack up and act like nothing happened.
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Once Al Sharpton and company learn about that and the robbery, they will slowly try to pack up and act like nothing happened.
The police did that neighborhood a favor and they destroy it as a result. Crazy.
All those idiots protesting should feel pretty stupid now.
Lol 'teen'
Lol 'college student'
Lol 'unarmed black youth'
Lol 'my boy was a sweet innocent boy' -mama
So predictable.
Well well well. Ferguson Police have the video of this 6'4", 290 pound, street punk strong arming a black midget convenience store employee during a robbery moments before the call went out and the cop caught him in a nearby parking lot. Same kid, same clothes and same hat. So far only FOX has released the convenience store video. And the "witness" in favor of "police brutality" just might be Brown's accomplice. The store clerk can do the identification. All the liberal news outlets such as Huffington, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC are only showing articles anti police and nothing regarding facts.
What are the odds that this street punk resisted arrest and went for the cop?
The Mo.Governor, Obama, Sharpton, Black Panthers and the liberal media are looking for the Race Card.
Lmao the idiocy of these racist blacks shows no limits...like its something new... :)
HERE IS A VIDEO AND STILL IMAGES OF HIM ROBBING A STORE AND PUSHING THE CLERK AROUND and they are still in denial...saying it was just lies from the racist white police rofl...
like its something new... :)
Blacks is a cancer for USA future, they are getting more and it will get far worse.
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:D
The sheer stupidity of the 'black community' is amazing.
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Please tell me that is a hoax and not an actual letter from an "attorney". So many typos and bad grammar/punctuation. "Piece mil?" FFS.
From their lips to the Washington Post's ears -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/15/statement-from-michael-browns-family-and-attorneys-beyond-outraged/ .
Please tell me that is a hoax and not an actual letter from an "attorney". So many typos and bad grammar/punctuation. "Piece mil?" FFS.you do know that a paralegal more than likely wrote this and not the actual attorney? Still it is no reason to misspell "piecemeal"...maybe spellcheck didn't catch it.
Please tell me that is a hoax and not an actual letter from an "attorney". So many typos and bad grammar/punctuation. "Piece mil?" FFS.
you do know that a paralegal wrote this and not the actual attorney? Still it is no reason to misspell "piecemeal"...maybe spellcheck didn't catch it.
It's not surprising though, if you have ever read many of the articles on CNN, or any other of the news websites, grammatical errors are quite common. It's a sad commentary of our "Internet society" ("oh, you know what I meant.").
If you are going to release a statement to the press that you know with a 100% certainty is going to be carried verbatim in every news outlet on the planet, you might want to put your best foot forward. Otherwise, you are just confirming the worst black stereotypes imaginable.I agree with you, cross your "t's" and dot your "i's".
Even if he robbed a store he did not deserved to died. Keep taking the flatscreens, fellas. You earned them.True about the first part...
Even if he robbed a store he did not deserved to died. Keep taking the flatscreens, fellas. You earned them.The store owner could have shot and killed him legally if he had a gun. The cop had every right to use lethal force the moment he was attacked and because Brown tried to reach for his gun. Also, I read that the police officer may have suffered a broken jaw, eye swollen shut and a broken nose.
True about the first part...The moment you attack someone, you deserve to die. Haven`t you learned this by now? I am glad we are afforded that privilege to defend ourselves with lethal force if necessary.
Now with the school sales on, many of them could be on sale...not 5 finger discount.
Even if he robbed a store he did not deserved to died. Keep taking the flatscreens, fellas. You earned them.
I agree with you, cross your "t's" and dot your "i's".
Threads like these that always brings out Getbig's residential bigots and racists I gotta give it to you Parker for always remaining poised, unscathed and in control!???
Threads like these that always brings out Getbig's residential bigots and racists I gotta give it to you Parker for always remaining poised, unscathed and in control!
Better than 90%.
I just find it unintentionally hilarious that the progressives are getting the vapors about the brutal militarized police that they built to enforce their power when it brings the boot heel down on their pet Hebrews. If the boot was on the neck of some...say...white ranchers, progressives would be laughing and be deliriously happy with their Gestapo.
Incidents like this always bring out how the media is aching for a race angle and facts are distorted in an apparent racially motivated crime.
I smell something brewing in Ferguson, Missouri. No, it's not the fried chicken, grape drank, or swisher sweets. It's the location of the next Die Hard movie.
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Incidents like this always bring out how the media is aching for a race angle and facts are distorted in an apparent racially motivated crime.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!Quality father and son bonding right there!
My dad and I saw DH3 in the theatres. We both laughed out loud when we saw hapless McClaine wearing that sign.
Then again, that movie was good for a good many laughs and more than one biting cultural insights, not the least of which was Zeus' mindless racism toward Mighty Whitey (tm). Good old Bruce Willis' character addressed that head-on and owned Zeus/Sam Jackson's character into fucking oblivion.
Much as I loved the Lethal Weapon franchise, it wouldn't have taken that/those turns. I was happy to see chinks as the bad guys in part IV, but part III and its pure anti-firearm nonsense ... gah. Even the second film's anti-apartheid crap was never so repulsive, gross as the evil baddies were made out to be.
Dicks
you got to be a real asshole to rob someone especially some elderly type folk
Truth. Any white person knows you defraud or swindle old people. Robbery is too uncouth. When will they learn.haha
Quality father and son bonding right there!
Obama is not a Hebrew, he's an African and a Muslim.QFT
You hit a cop, what do you expect is going to happen?
I was messing around but in all honesty if I hit a cop, I'd expect to be arrested and charged. Maybe I'd have to take a few licks or get tazed. I wouldn't expect to be executed.
Well then it's best not to try to hit a cop , pretty simple
I was messing around but in all honesty if I hit a cop, I'd expect to be arrested and charged. Maybe I'd have to take a few licks or get tazed. I wouldn't expect to be executed.Strange mentality you have there. You do realize you assault any citizen, you can expect a potential bullet in your head. We have the right to defend ourselves with lethal force if necessary.
Agreed. Still, you shouldn't be executed for it.
Strange mentality you have there. You do realize you assault any citizen, you can expect a potential bullet in your head. We have the right to defend ourselves with lethal force if necessary.
Perhaps you oughta think twice before you assault someone.
Executed is a loaded word and not appropriate for this context.
I'm not talking about "any citizen". You asked me what I expected would happen if I tried to hit a cop, I answered you.So for some reason you would expect to be shot and killed by your average citizen if you assaulted them, but not a cop? ???
Your last line is embarrassing and irrelevant.
Executed is a loaded word and not appropriate for this context.
So for some reason you would expect to be shot and killed by your average citizen if you assaulted them, but not a cop? ???
Whats the logic behind that?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
My dad and I saw DH3 in the theatres. We both laughed out loud when we saw hapless McClaine wearing that sign.
Then again, that movie was good for a good many laughs and more than one biting cultural insights, not the least of which was Zeus' mindless racism toward Mighty Whitey (tm). Good old Bruce Willis' character addressed that head-on and owned Zeus/Sam Jackson's character into fucking oblivion.
Much as I loved the Lethal Weapon franchise, it wouldn't have taken that/those turns. I was happy to see chinks as the bad guys in part IV, but part III and its pure anti-firearm nonsense ... gah. Even the second film's anti-apartheid crap was never so repulsive, gross as the evil baddies were made out to be.
More White Trickery am afoot -
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Ah...I see you are desperately trying to take the discussion off topic and drag me into a straw man argument. You asked me specifically what I would expect to happen if I hit a cop. Average citizens behave in different, unpredictable ways and are not relevant here. Cops are trained to react to certain situations in a specific way. That's why I am only interested in answering your question to me - which was police specific.You answer I comprehend, your stupidity in this matter, I do not.
Again, I repeat, I would not expect to be shot and killed if I punched a cop. I do accept that it would be incredibly unwise and stupid.
Hope you finally comprehend my answer and can keep your responses relevant to the particular scenario being proposed.
No, it is. I was asked what I would expect to happen if I (me) tried to hit a cop. I answered that I wouldn't expect to be executed. It's totally relevant because it's my answer to a question posed directly to me. I am not talking about this dead guy. I am saying what I would expect to happen, or not happen, if I punched a cop.
Not expecting to be shot after hitting a cop. You are a genius.
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You answer I comprehend, your stupidity in this matter, I do not.
Not expecting to be shot after hitting a cop. You are a genius.
Well, yes. If you use lethal force against a single, unarmed assailant, you'll have some trouble defending yourself in court. Think of the trouble Zimmerman had, and that was in a state with a "Stand Your Ground" law.Zimmerman had no trouble and was not even charged initially and the investigating detective from the start did not want him charged. Only after the race baiters and morons started getting involved is when Zimmerman was charged.
Why use the word executed? You could have used shot or killed.
Is this the same guy who got shot? Hard to say???
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I wouldn't expect to be shot after a hitting a cop. I do acknowledge that it is a possibility. However, police are trained to react to being hit and to use the minimum force necessary. They are regularly fired, disciplined and prosecuted for using any force deemed excessive. The introduction of the tazed was introduced specifically to aid this.My cogent response is that you are a moron for thinking a cop won`t shoot you after being assaulted.
So, I would expect a properly trained cop , keeping their cool, to not respond with lethal force. Indeed, this is how they are trained to behave in this exact, specific situation. Sorry you can't reply in a similarly reasoned way but you asked me a question, don't like the answer, but can't muster a cogent response.
I wouldn't expect to be shot after a hitting a cop. I do acknowledge that it is a possibility. However, police are trained to react to being hit and to use the minimum force necessary. They are regularly fired, disciplined and prosecuted for using any force deemed excessive. The introduction of the tazer was introduced specifically to aid this.
So, I would expect a properly trained cop , keeping their cool, to not respond with lethal force. Indeed, this is how they are trained to behave in this exact, specific situation. Sorry you can't reply in a similarly reasoned way but you asked me a question, don't like the answer, but can't muster a cogent response.
Actually, I used both.
You hit a cop....expect to die. If he had pushed me, he'd be pushing up daisies like he is now....except with more bullets. Once you assault an officer, that's pretty much the end of the line for ya.
Come on Vince. DA spat in your face and you did shit.
Come on Vince. DA spat in your face and you did shit.
DA is in the same place as this kid as well. Like the kid, DA also didn't use his head and made very stupid decisions.
Why? The words aren't interchangeable.
You hit a cop....expect to die. If he had pushed me, he'd be pushing up daisies like he is now....except with more bullets. Once you assault an officer, that's pretty much the end of the line for ya.
Then despite the fact that this guy was obviously a piece of shit who robbed old ladies. Here's comes a protest followed by looting and burning of stores and buildings.....why the fuck hasn't Sharpton spoken about that???
We need new black leaders...period. These other asswipes need to go
Once Al Sharpton and company learn about that and the robbery, they will slowly try to pack up and act like nothing happened.
The police did that neighborhood a favor and they destroy it as a result. Crazy.
Why not? Depends on the scenario. Are you saying that it is impossible for somebody to be shot and killed and executed at the same time?
;D
Haha years after it happened, and not by any of your doing. You stood there and took it, so stop acting like you're a tough guy
if i hit a cop i would expect a 50/50 chance id get shot and possibly die
Of course not but the use of the word was unnecessary. You're ascribing a specific intent to the shooter and in doing so change the nature of the scenario.
What does/did the dead fat kid bench press?
How much does the killer pig bench press?
These questions deserve an answer.
Who says it's unnecessary? I was referring to a hypothetical and personal scenario. I am deliberately ascribing that intent to the shooter in this imagined situation.
Again, I am not talking about the dead guy. I am talking about me.
How is a scenario where execution is involved relevant to the discussion in the thread? By using the word execution you are introducing an unnecessary dynamic into the conversation.
Because I deem it an execution in that scenario. It isn't an unnecessary dynamic at all. In fact, it's the very dynamic I want to introduce.
Plus, You don't decide what language I can and cannot use for my own hypothetical scenario anyway.
Twice I've answered you on this.
I'm trying to understand why you included the concept of an execution in your scenario. You've already claimed that you're not implying Michael Brown was executed. Why introduce another dynamic when it's not relevant to the topic of conversation.
I was messing around but in all honesty if I hit a cop, I'd expect to be arrested and charged. Maybe I'd have to take a few licks or get tazed. I wouldn't expect to be executed.
how many lives did the cop save by killing this kid....
how many people's lives would be worse off in the next years of this kid's life?
Cop is a hero and saved the lives of many unknown individuals by taking this punk out
Yes, how many lives exactly?7
Should have played the knockout game on that stupid cow! See what she would say after.
Why do they defend criminals? Are they somehow lesser than if one of their own falls short? It's insane, yet it happens every time. Where were all the white folks trying to make Manson or McVeigh or the Columbine kids look less guilty? This shit absolutely baffles me.
Distance yourselves from the fuck-ups, idiots, why is this so hard?
1 jarring difference is those people murdered others, this guy was murdered.Moron, he attacked a cop, tried to get his gun. 5 minutes before that, he was robbing a store. At ANY point this was a legal and justified shoot.
everyone wants to take some extreme side, when the truth lies in the middle.
1 jarring difference is those people murdered others, this guy was murdered.
everyone wants to take some extreme side, when the truth lies in the middle.
Ah, judge and jury. Again, why defend criminals?
was he not shot to death?
was he not shot to death?Justifiably so.
1 jarring difference is those people murdered others, this guy was murdered.
everyone wants to take some extreme side, when the truth lies in the middle.
Moron, he attacked a cop, tried to get his gun. 5 minutes before that, he was robbing a store. At ANY point this was a legal and justified shoot.
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Did you not say "murdered"?
But the way this story was portrayed from the beginning there is an obvious reason why someone would sympathize with this guy over a columbine killer
Fair enough, but this ALWAYS happens. Sympathizing with color is all, every time. Innocent or guilty, all about black. Why?
I agree. Alot of time its just the way Al Sharpton and his gang have the story portrayed
I agree. Alot of time its just the way Al Sharpton and his gang have the story portrayedWhy are you stupid enough to fall for it every time? Why not just let evidence and facts guide you.
Why are you stupid enough to fall for it every time? Why not just let evidence and facts guide you.For 1 you little bitch, all the facts of this story have not been released. I also never said i believed he was innocent. You have no clue about my take on any previous race hoopla's
Why are you stupid enough to fall for it every time? Why not just let evidence and facts guide you.
Lol what a dummy that Hebrew reporter is. Doesn't even know that if you steal something it's shoplifting but as soon as any force is used it is immediately robbery. CNN needs a less biased reporter to cover this story in the future.
Try harder.
1 jarring difference is those people murdered others, this guy was murdered.
everyone wants to take some extreme side, when the truth lies in the middle.
My cogent response is that you are a moron for thinking a cop won`t shoot you after being assaulted.
You hit a cop....expect to die. If he had pushed me, he'd be pushing up daisies like he is now....except with more bullets. Once you assault an officer, that's pretty much the end of the line for ya.
Then despite the fact that this guy was obviously a piece of shit who robbed old ladies. Here's comes a protest followed by looting and burning of stores and buildings.....why the fuck hasn't Sharpton spoken about that???
We need new black leaders...period. These other asswipes need to go
DA is in the same place as this kid as well. Like the kid, DA also didn't use his head and made very stupid decisions.
No, I sat back and watched him die a very slow and painful death while listening to him cry for life and "to be normal". Very sad but I warned him many times including live on Off-Topic Radio....and he didn't listen
For 1 you little bitch, all the facts of this story have not been released. I also never said i believed he was innocent. You have no clue about my take on any previous race hoopla's
You hit a cop....expect to die. If he had pushed me, he'd be pushing up daisies like he is now....except with more bullets. Once you assault an officer, that's pretty much the end of the line for ya.
Then despite the fact that this guy was obviously a piece of shit who robbed old ladies. Here's comes a protest followed by looting and burning of stores and buildings.....why the fuck hasn't Sharpton spoken about that???
We need new black leaders...period. These other asswipes need to go
then you're a moron. Cops can't use lethal force unless faced with an assailant using lethal force against them. they have to respond like for like. cops get assaulted every single day. they can't just shoot everybody that does it. thank fuck.Exactly, supposed to use as much force as needed to subdue the assailant. Which creates judgement call grey area, that's why you need video.
Exactly, supposed to use as much force as needed to subdue the assailant. Which creates judgement call grey area, that's why you need video.
then you're a moron. Cops can't use lethal force unless faced with an assailant using lethal force against them. they have to respond like for like. cops get assaulted every single day. they can't just shoot everybody that does it. thank fuck.
As soon as the "beautiful boy" assaulted the cop and reached for his gun, lethal force was justifiable.
The irony here is that the protesting (rioting) neeguls never think anyone in their "community" should be held accountable and responsible, or have repercussions for their actions.
The only slight interest I find in any of this shit is when the Mom and 3-4 younger siblings come on TV crying about how "he a good boy" and all of them have different last names.
He doesnt even have to reach for the gun. If the officer is overwhelmed and unable to defend himself he has every right to assume the force used against him will be deadly.
I agree.....I have ZERO problem with officers defending themselves against these pieces of shit.
We had a school shooting in CT earlier this year, the police "militarized" the area, not one fucking word from Eric Holder.
These neeguls are rioting and looting so the police "militarize" the area to restore order and Eric Holder is screaming to high heaven against it.
If Obama had a son, he'd be a "beautiful boy" too.
Try avoiding muddling the conversation by creating scenarios that arent relevant to the conversation.
1 jarring difference is those people murdered others, this guy was murdered.
everyone wants to take some extreme side, when the truth lies in the middle.
Isn't saying "this guy was murdered" straying into "taking an extreme side"?
If the officer is under a threat they feel is intending to incapacitate or kill them, they can use deadly force. This is especially true if the threat is larger, possess a weapon or is reaching for a weapon. Once a person goes beyond simply resisting to aggressively attacking, all bets are off and the officer is well in his rights to assume the force used by the attacker threatens his life.
By the way, a couple of weeks ago a young child was killed by a stray bullet in the same general area. No riot for tye little guy.
The last thing an officer wants to be is incapacitated. All of this is the same old bullshit. It seems to be that the black community only cares about murder when the victim is black and the shooter non-black or off white in the Zimmerman case
Now the brits are in on it -
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No justice, no peace Guvnor.
If a drunk, obnoxious, middle class white kid on Spring break took a half-hearted swing at a Cop would you advocate him being shot and killed?
Would you not class that as excessive force not appropriate to the situation?
Your hypothetical is too generic.....just enough so to suit your side of the argument.
let's get the ballistics report. If he was shot in the back from 24 inches away, it was an execution. If he was shot in the gut from beneath from 2 inches away, it was self defense. witnesses are pretty unreliable. Cops will lie to protect their career, and his buddy will like to stay out of jail. I would trust the word of neither. I'd trust the bullet hole.These were my thoughts exactly.
If a drunk, obnoxious, middle class white kid on Spring break took a half-hearted swing at a Cop would you advocate him being shot and killed?
Would you not class that as excessive force not appropriate to the situation?
I don't agree. This happens all the time on Spring Break.
Again, you're framing your hypothetical scenario in an extremely bias way by using terms like half hearted swing.
Okay....he's 6'-5" and 300 lbs, he's drunk, what vacation from school he is on is irrelevant, just committed what is possibly armed robbery, is being apprehended, and when the cop turns away he tries to punch him in the back of the head and take his gun...
DOA.
And I'd have no problem with it.
It's not bias. I am demonstrating that there are different levels of threat and a police officer has to - is trained to, actually - make an instant threat assessment and act accordingly.
Okay....he's 6'-5" and 300 lbs, he's drunk, what vacation from school he is on is irrelevant, just committed what is possibly armed robbery, is being apprehended, and when the cop turns away he tries to punch him in the back of the head and take his gun...
DOA.
And I'd have no problem with it.
It's not bias. I am demonstrating that there are different levels of threat and a police officer has to - is trained to, actually - make an instant threat assessment and act accordingly.
We know that.
You know that.
Same way an officer that pulls a car over at night on the south side of Chicago approaches the situation differently than an officer pulling over a car at noon on Sunday in Fort Nelson, Iowa.
YES I would shoot his spring break white ass!
Youre scenario isnt an appropriate comparison to the Brown case unless you do believe brown only threw a half hearted swing. Otherwise, its irrelevant.
Jesus, I thought you were just playing dumb. I am not talking about the Brown case. I am reasonably confident that it will come out that lethal force was justified.
My only issue is with the assertion and blanket statement that if you hit a police officer, they can kill you. They can't and the law states that.
Hence a scenario were lethal force is not justified. There are different levels of threat and Cops are trained to assess them. That's all I'm saying. I'm not defending thugs that have it coming.
If the scenario isnt applicable to the brown case how is it relevent? I havent argued that hitting an officer means they can kill you.
Read the thread again. This has been a complete waste of time. I knew I should have ignored you when I saw "Team Shizzo" on your profile.
Why in the world does that fucking maggot have a platform, though?Because no bird wants to eat the maggot yet.
When the rioting is over, can we please hold the local community of Ferguson responsible for clean up and rebuilding? Withhold all they Obama bucks until this is paid for?
Punching a cop once and then just standing there does not warrant retaliation with lethal force, as some seem to believe. That doesn't seem to be the case here though.???
They really need to equip all cops with GoPro cameras. It would reduce misconduct and would help to exonerate policemen in situations like this.
So little is being made in the media that Brown, his accomplice, was the one who gave account that he had hands held up. Instead they show brainwashed kids posing in the spot he was shot with their hands up.... wtf is the media playing at? Completely biased coverage, undermining law enforcement and inciting TNB.Exactly. No evidence whatsoever suggests his hands were up.
Punching a cop once and then just standing there does not warrant retaliation with lethal force, as some seem to believe. That doesn't seem to be the case here though.
They really need to equip all cops with GoPro cameras. It would reduce misconduct and would help to exonerate policemen in situations like this.
I think a lot of people can see the difference between this case and the fact that police can't just shoot people that assault them. cops are punched, attacked, kicked, pushed, spit on (one for Melvin there) every day. if they started blowing away everybody that did that we'd be Iraq or some other shithole.::)
the police uphold the law, they aren't above it. they can't just shoot violent assholes. lot of betas on here that no doubt are scared of pigs and happy to surrender their rights and worship and fat donut eating fuckstick with a badge. ::) ::)
I think a lot of people can see the difference between this case and the fact that police can't just shoot people that assault them. cops are punched, attacked, kicked, pushed, spit on (one for Melvin there) every day. if they started blowing away everybody that did that we'd be Iraq or some other shithole.
the police uphold the law, they aren't above it. they can't just shoot violent assholes. lot of betas on here that no doubt are scared of pigs and happy to surrender their rights and worship and fat donut eating fuckstick with a badge. ::) ::)
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Depends on the assault genius. The moment a cop feels his life is in danger is the moment he can shoot.
They have the right to defend their lives from deadly force.
you've shown yourself to be totally ignorant on this matter. whenever a cop fires a gun at shoots at somebody there is a shitload of paperwork. he better have probable ause and a strong case for feeling is life is in danger . like the use of lethal force being used against him. it ain't enough to say "I felt in danger of losing my life". he has to show he followed protocol.Pecan Pies for life from me to this officer.
you know fuck all about this. you'd probably bake him a cookie, shine his badge and suck his dick like a little pussy. ;D ;D
Pecan Pies for life from me to this officer.
Missouri's Governor Nixon just announced a 12am to 5am curfew for Ferguson. Stay tuned for for a wild night.
Crazy how they have all that energy to loot and whatnot after a hard day's work.
See what I did?
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in the uk they would be sent to prison for this
in the uk some kid got five years for trying to incite people to riot on his facebook page
Oh man, this just gets better and better.
Mike Brown was an "aspiring rapper". He has some freestyles on Soundcloud as "Big Mike". Here are some lyrics:
I ain't racist really,
but I’m down with black and brown.
Those who are last shall be first,
Whites on the bottom now.
Oh man, this just gets better and better.
Mike Brown was an "aspiring rapper". He has some freestyles on Soundcloud as "Big Mike". Here are some lyrics:
I ain't racist really,
but I’m down with black and brown.
Those who are last shall be first,
Whites on the bottom now.
in the uk they would be sent to prison for this
in the uk some kid got five years for trying to incite people to riot on his facebook page
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Seems to jive with reports that the kid doubled back on the officer.
Also Dr. Baden will conduct second autopsy, this is good news, as he is a reasonably straight shooter.
Hmmm....
Seems to jive with reports that the kid doubled back on the officer.
Also Dr. Baden will conduct second autopsy, this is good news, as he is a reasonably straight shooter.
Exactly, supposed to use as much force as needed to subdue the assailant. Which creates judgement call grey area, that's why you need video.if they fear their life is in danger they can use deadly physical force...cop took a beating to face and perp was coming back at him,if he overpowers the cop(the cop doesn't have super powers) then he gains control of officers gun-lights out-game over...just like the fool that charged Tony Stewart caused his own death,Mikey Brown caused his own death by charging the cop...too many of todays fools think its a video game and there is a reset button..guess what real life has no reset button and you have to deal with the consequences
Here's a thought black people: instead of taking time to riot, take time to not abandon your kids so they don't end up like this poor young chap
Missouri's Governor Nixon just announced a 12am to 5am curfew for Ferguson. Stay tuned for for a wild night.This is going to be very interesting tonight. THe State trooper said he will ask people to go home nicely, instead of using any force. Good luck with that.
The officer involved just might be Plastic Man. Tonight the attorney for Browns "friend and witness" said on TV that the first part of the confrontation the "the officer reached out of the car window and grabbed Michael's throat." Hmmmm OK, Michael is 6'5" and the officer was seated in his squad car no doubt buckled....arm so long he could reach Michael's throat.
This attorney is the former Mayor of St. Louis. If I lived in Mo I would have a For Sale sign on my front lawn.
Seems the police have a different strategy every night. Last night they basically just stood back and let the looters loot.Biggest joke ever for people to get away with this, while the law watches.
Seems the police have a different strategy every night. Last night they basically just stood back and let the looters loot.
Biggest joke ever for people to get away with this, while the law watches.
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Depends on the assault genius. The moment a cop feels his life is in danger is the moment he can shoot.
That's EXTREMELY subjective. So if a 95 year old person accidentally bumps a cop while walking down the street, and the cop feels like his life is in danger, he can shoot the old person? ??? ???yes it is subjective BUT the above scenario would result in the cop being indicted by a grand jury as they would see thru the charade/lie...but different scenario-cop is being punched and physically overwhelmed,before he loses consciousness he realizes hes in fear for his life if knocked out would be justified in using deadly physical force to stop the attack
Now this is an extreme example. I recognize that. I am just pointing out the flaw that there has to be some parameters of what constitutes a cops life being in danger. Is there? I am sure there are some guidelines surrounding this. It can't be as simple, "if you feel your life is in danger, shoot."
The majority of these people don't want justice, they want stuff.
It's called thievery. It matters not if the "cause" is an NBA title or some thug getting shot by the police instead of a rival gang. When its a rival gang these same people wind up walking down the local version of MLK Blvd holding hands and singing "We Shall Overcome". This is what comes of indentured servitude. Welfare for votes and that goes across the board. Black, white, red, yellow, brown or any combination thereof. The product of the Democratic Party - "The Great Society".
Make no mistake, educated black people despise this chaff too. I've been in areas of the country where the filth are as pale as the horse of death and white trash litters the landscape like a windblown landfill. Shit comes in all colors and no matter the shade it still stinks.
What the fuck is happening? Why do media and ppl tolerate this shit from blacks. They do this stupid knock out game where they always hit white people (please add a videowhereswhere it is a black hitting another black), now shit like this, same as that travion martin or whatever.
Now these fucks are coming to europe, france is already fucked, Uk soon they are coming and coming, but eu and usa is sending food to africa, noteducateunderstanding(I think?) that these brown fucks cant even feed their children. They should send them condoms and thats it. And the saddest thing is that they always cry about minority status and get what they want + if you can vote for a black person then blacks will vote for him just because hes black, likeitsit is with obanana.
sorry for my english, lol, but iam angry for this blindness.
Your english is actually pretty decent bro.thanks bud, + i was raging ;D ;D ;D
I edited a few parts for you but other than that it was written pretty well. :)
Are you talking about our immigration laws and illegal border jumpers?All of it.
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Black Panthers Lead Death Chant for Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, MO
Black Panthers Lead Death Chant for Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, MO
3 dead and 16 wounded in Chicago. Where is Al Sharpton?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-wounded-in-driveby-shooting-in-east-side-neighborhood-20140816-story.html
3 dead and 16 wounded in Chicago. Where is Al Sharpton?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-wounded-in-driveby-shooting-in-east-side-neighborhood-20140816-story.html
Once Al Sharpton and company learn about that and the robbery, they will slowly try to pack up and act like nothing happened.
The police did that neighborhood a favor and they destroy it as a result. Crazy.
The same thing recently happened here, in NYC.You have to be careful with these "gentle giants", giants are seldom friendly, do these people not read nursery rhymes?
During an arrest, a cop choked a guy who looked very much like this beautiful boy. The guy ended up dying. Sharpton threatened massive protests, then, it came out that the guy had 30+ arrests on his record.
Things quickly quieted down.
At times like these, I remember the inspirational words from Ashtray Martin's dad, "DEEBA DOBBA DEEBA DOBBA.";D
His memorial
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His memorialI've never laughed so hard at a memorial in my life. Thanks for that
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A demonstration of a complete lack of priorities.
Same thing happened in the UK a couple of years ago when a criminal on the way to carry out a hit was killed by an armed response unit. The degenerates were looting for a full week. The joke was that the bookstores weren't touched lol. In my city, the only reason it stopped was because the looters knew if they went out, pakistani vigilantes would have butchered them. The only way to make them stop is to put the fear of death into them.
The funny thing is they loot, destroy people lives and businesses, beat and kill people in mobs but then they still have the audacity to go onto national tv and claim to be the victims. Epic chimp on the shoulder mentality. It is the same in the uk as it is in the usa
Then why do they have batons and tazers? They are trained to avoid killing people that punch them. I am sorry you know so little about law enforcement training. That's why you try to keep veering off into "average citizen" discussions.
I like to think if I was Michael Brown people would leave bottles of ProTan, and posing trunks. :D
pour out a little aminos.
hahaha!!! AWESOME
Full bodybuilding burial rites by 12 men in thongs.
Autopsy reveals Michael Brown was shot at least 6 timesAll from the front and not with his hands up. So much for "Hands up. Don`t Shoot" and shooting in the back. It went down just as the friend of the Police Officer said it went down and that one eyewitness who actually saw it.
A preliminary autopsy has found that Michael Brown, the unarmed black teen who was killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, according to The New York Times.
According to the report, one of the bullets entered Brown’s skull from a trajectory that suggests his head was bent forward when he was struck with the fatal shot. The autopsy was performed by Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former New York City chief medical examiner, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the behest of the Brown family..
In addition to the two shots to his head, Brown was struck four times in his right arm. According to this preliminary autopsy all of the shots were located on the front of Brown’s body, which contradicts some witness accounts which suggested Brown was killed from behind while fleeing police.
There was reportedly no gunpowder on his body, which suggests that bullets weren’t fired at close range. But Baden did not have access to Brown’s clothes, which may have contained some gunpowder residue.
This autopsy will not be the final word on Brown’s death. Ferguson authorities are in the midst of conducting their own autopsy. Meanwhile on Sunday, Attorney General Eric Holder authorized a third autopsy to be conducted by federal authorities. MSN
All from the front and not with his hands up. So much for "Hands up. Don`t Shoot" and shooting in the back. It went down just as the friend of the Police Officer said it went down and that one eyewitness who actually saw it.
They still won`t accept this as fact though.
were they defensive wounds? His arm was over his head, bullets traveled thru his arm into his head.1. His hands were not up at any time.
he was given a final shot with his head already pointed down. Coup de grace?
No gunpowder. Some distance between cop and bad guy.
Did the cop sustain any injuries?
I don't know where they were standing, how far apart.
This will be ruled a clean shoot. Was the cop happy to issue 6 bullets very quickly into a man with hand over face and "one for the road"? Yes. But this will be ruled a clean shoot.
Autopsy reveals Michael Brown was shot at least 6 times
A preliminary autopsy has found that Michael Brown, the unarmed black teen who was killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, according to The New York Times.
According to the report, one of the bullets entered Brown’s skull from a trajectory that suggests his head was bent forward when he was struck with the fatal shot. The autopsy was performed by Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former New York City chief medical examiner, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the behest of the Brown family..
In addition to the two shots to his head, Brown was struck four times in his right arm. According to this preliminary autopsy all of the shots were located on the front of Brown’s body, which contradicts some witness accounts which suggested Brown was killed from behind while fleeing police.
There was reportedly no gunpowder on his body, which suggests that bullets weren’t fired at close range. But Baden did not have access to Brown’s clothes, which may have contained some gunpowder residue.
This autopsy will not be the final word on Brown’s death. Ferguson authorities are in the midst of conducting their own autopsy. Meanwhile on Sunday, Attorney General Eric Holder authorized a third autopsy to be conducted by federal authorities. MSN
1. His hands were not up at any time.
2. The cop went to the hospital and was treated for injuries.
3. They are still doing forensics on Gunpowder, including inside the vehicle where the gun was initially fired during the struggle.
I for one am a little bit tired of youths daring me to run over them by walking in the middle of the street.
Where is Officer Tony Stewart when they need him?
There is no reason the feds need to be involved. Holder suffers from paranoid delusions and a victim complex. The police office r was continually firing while Brown was in motion and this explains the bullet entry points.
the police dept changed their story. I can see why the feds got involved before it turned into zimmerman II.Irrelevant why they were stopped. The police officer was attacked, a struggle for his gun then ensued and then Brown was shot thereafter.
They announced one motive for stopping the man.
Then they announced a "modified" motive for stopping the man.
First, he was just jaywalking and he didn't know it was a robbery suspect when he fired.
Then, new version...suddenly cop recognized robbery suspect BEFORE he shot him 6 times.
The 1st scenario, likely the actual one, makes it look like police just profile people jaywalking in that town and shoot them 6 times if they act up. Brutal and worthy of serious investigation.
The 2nd scenario, the sanitized one, makes it look like a swift officer recognized a criminal fleeing a felony, engaged him, and fired to protect himself - and society. He's a hero.
ALL THAT comes down to "Why did he stop and engage this person". If indeed, it was jaywalking LOL, then people are going to wonder why that person was singled out. Unless that cop has history of jaywaking citations, seems odd. So yeah, they changed story. That warrants bringing in feds to keep em honest.
Irrelevant why they were stopped. The police officer was attacked, a struggle for his gun then ensued and then Brown was shot thereafter.
I do find it relevant however, that Michael Brown just robbed the store. Five minutes after robbing the store, the cop stops him which obviously put Brown in a heightened state. He figured he was busted and was going to do everything to get away, including assaulting the cop. I find it amusing that many claim the robbery is irrelevant. It most certainly is.
Irrelevant why they were stopped. The police officer was attacked, a struggle for his gun then ensued and then Brown was shot thereafter.
I do find it relevant however, that Michael Brown just robbed the store. Five minutes after robbing the store, the cop stops him which obviously put Brown in a heightened state. He figured he was busted and was going to do everything to get away, including assaulting the cop. I find it amusing that many claim the robbery is irrelevant. It most certainly is.
the police dept changed their story. I can see why the feds got involved before it turned into zimmerman II.
They announced one motive for stopping the man.
Then they announced a "modified" motive for stopping the man.
First, he was just jaywalking and he didn't know it was a robbery suspect when he fired.
Then, new version...suddenly cop recognized robbery suspect BEFORE he shot him 6 times.
The 1st scenario, likely the actual one, makes it look like police just profile people jaywalking in that town and shoot them 6 times if they act up. Brutal and worthy of serious investigation.
The 2nd scenario, the sanitized one, makes it look like a swift officer recognized a criminal fleeing a felony, engaged him, and fired to protect himself - and society. He's a hero.
ALL THAT comes down to "Why did he stop and engage this person". If indeed, it was jaywalking LOL, then people are going to wonder why that person was singled out. Unless that cop has history of jaywaking citations, seems odd. So yeah, they changed story. That warrants bringing in feds to keep em honest.
I think the shoot was legal.I don`t think that was the case at all. The investigation can`t be complete instantly. It has to go through many channels and alot of those times, there is a lack of communication or is miscommunication early on. I don`t think there was any ill intent here.
I just get really upset when police fudge documents to benefit themselves.
Where is Officer Tony Stewart when they need him?
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How many shots were fired is a non-issue...even though it's headline material. When cops use lethal force they are trained to empty the magazine until there is no perceived threat. If this guy was that big and had physically attacked the PO it shouldn't be a surprise that he was shot multiple times.
We want transparency ....
Well they released the video tape....
Uh the police photo shopped it ::)
Wtf... silly shit right there.
Until MLK comes back to life and says the kid was guilty they will always have a rebuttal to the law enforcement decision.
Until MLK comes back to life and says the kid was guilty they will always have a rebuttal to the law enforcement decision.
Why was his body left in the street for 3-4 hours? That seems rather long.
And the idiocy known as "240 is back" continues. The police didn't change their story. They said the victim was not INITIALLY pulled over for the robbery. They were INITIALLY pulled over for disruptinf traffic. Police carry this fancy devicd called a radio. Some time while they were pulled over, he received the info on the robbery suspect. You seem pretty slow, so I will spell it out for you: it demonstrates the officer approached them with no awareness to the robbery, thus he didn't approach them with gun drawn.
For something like a police involved shooting it's not that long. More police come usually, then detectives, they collect and photograph everything in place, etc...., then they allow the coroner or medical examiner in, they might go over everything again, then they transport elsewere.
So the cop is vindicated? Eric Holder is a fucking dunce... lol
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Just open fire on that God forsaken town already. Cut 'em all down so they can start anew.
Its a testament to Obamas poor judgement that he places in position of Attorney General of the entire country a man who despises 70% of the country and advocates for only 13%.
Is this gonna be another son Obama didn't have?
At this point how many sons does he have now??
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html
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Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times
By FRANCES ROBLES and JULIE BOSMANAUG. 17, 2014
FERGUSON, Mo. — Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was killed by a police officer, sparking protests around the nation, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy performed on Sunday found.
One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.
Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.
Tons... lol
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Doesn't matter. Activists aren't intrested in facts or the law.
And the idiocy known as "240 is back" continues. The police didn't change their story. They said the victim was not INITIALLY pulled over for the robbery. They were INITIALLY pulled over for disruptinf traffic. Police carry this fancy devicd called a radio. Some time while they were pulled over, he received the info on the robbery suspect. You seem pretty slow, so I will spell it out for you: it demonstrates the officer approached them with no awareness to the robbery, thus he didn't approach them with gun drawn.
I watched you lie and distort the entire trayvon martin casd and it looks like you are gonna attempt to do it here. You are not a police expert nor or you an expert in law. Stick to whatever it is you are good at which is apparently not the process of logic or telling the truth
240 is Back is a paid government spammer. It's called an "Obama Bot."
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As usual, you are in the meat of this kind of thread. I could give a shit about the case, but as I've said before, an Afro-descent MMA fighter must be out of his fucking mind to pay for your services. You got a lot of underlying issues with people of Afro-descent, and it ain't the gimmick kind of shit I talk about when it comes to Mexicans and Asians. Your shit is heart felt. You got issues little man.
That wearing pants low thing has to be the dumbest fashion trend of all time. Amazing that it has continued for so long.
Not only does it look ridiculous, but it's functionally inefficient, as you can't run away from the cops.
Plus he was wearing loose fitting sandals
Can you imagine just blindly defending any ol' scumbag, regardless of the circumstances, just because his skin is similar to yours?
Isn't there a word for this?
How come when the "black community" protests it always involves ROBBERY?
The media is GUILTY of creating a race war.
How come when the "black community" protests it always involves ROBBERY?
HEY!! That's smearing. It wasn't a robbery. It was just shoplifting, according to Al Sharpton.
The media is GUILTY of creating a race war.
I don't expect you to believe me, but open your mind to this...
The media is TRYING to create a race war, at the bidding of the GOVERNMENT and other powerful financial entities.
Robbery is theft with violence or the threat of violence. Pretty sure that wasn't a friendly chest bump to the guy in the shop.
Of course, none of this matters. The agenda has been set, people are happy to eat, drink and wallow in the shit served up to them by the media.
You hit a cop....expect to die. If he had pushed me, he'd be pushing up daisies like he is now....except with more bullets. Once you assault an officer, that's pretty much the end of the line for ya.
Then despite the fact that this guy was obviously a piece of shit who robbed old ladies. Here's comes a protest followed by looting and burning of stores and buildings.....why the fuck hasn't Sharpton spoken about that???
We need new black leaders...period. These other asswipes need to go
You hit a cop....expect to die. If he had pushed me, he'd be pushing up daisies like he is now....except with more bullets. Once you assault an officer, that's pretty much the end of the line for ya.
Then despite the fact that this guy was obviously a piece of shit who robbed old ladies. Here's comes a protest followed by looting and burning of stores and buildings.....why the fuck hasn't Sharpton spoken about that???
We need new black leaders...period. These other asswipes need to go
Well well well. Ferguson Police have the video of this 6'4", 290 pound, street punk strong arming a black midget convenience store employee during a robbery moments before the call went out and the cop caught him in a nearby parking lot. Same kid, same clothes and same hat. So far only FOX has released the convenience store video. And the "witness" in favor of "police brutality" just might be Brown's accomplice. The store clerk can do the identification. All the liberal news outlets such as Huffington, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC are only showing articles anti police and nothing regarding facts.
What are the odds that this street punk resisted arrest and went for the cop?
The Mo.Governor, Obama, Sharpton, Black Panthers and the liberal media are looking for the Race Card.
The media is GUILTY of creating a race war.
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His memorial
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His memorial
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His memorial
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That is all I needed to seeyou really didn't need to see anything to convince you, let's not kid ourselves.
That is all I needed to see
I for one am a little bit tired of youths daring me to run over them by walking in the middle of the street.
you really didn't need to see anything to convince you, let's not kid ourselves.
Regardless, I think it's hilarious and ironic that people have come out in droves to condemn the cop without knowing the full story-- where's the justice in that? The same thing happened with the zimmerman case- peeps are only able to see the 'injustices' inflicted on them, never the other way around.
Why isn't anybody asking the store owner? How he feels about the guy, when he got shoved and bullied by the "beautiful criminal". The store owner met the guy first hand. He would be a great witness .They asked the store owner.... he said that Michael isnt the one who robbed him...
ROTF...MD20/20 the swill of the negul
They asked the store owner.... he said that Michael isnt the one who robbed him...
but hey... carry on guys... ::)
That is all I needed to see
yeah but carry on....that Ni66..er needed to die
I don't expect you to believe me
CounterCurrentnews, the newsmax of the left
Race-baiting nonsense.
They asked the store owner.... he said that Michael isnt the one who robbed him...
but hey... carry on guys... ::)
kinda the theme in this thread...
Ni66.er robs store,
police stop Ni66.er
Police Shoot ni66.er
No harm no foul...
except the fact that the clothes were different, and the Owner said it wasnt him,
but hey... no harm no foul
LOL!
he said that Michael isnt the one who robbed him...
the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone.
Rioters are idiots - lock them up.
Shooting "victim" was an idiot - deserved being shot for reaching into a cop car.
HOWEVER, I dislike the police "modifying" the story. I heard on getbig a THIRD version, that the RADIO suddenly alerted the police officer who he was dealing with. Which version is it?
1) He shot kid without knowing about robbery?
2) He shot kid after making connection from the cigars in hand?
3) He shot kid after radio put out description?
4) Some combination of these factors?
A WEEK AFTER THE SHOOTING, we don't know which of these it is. It's changed. That bothers me. Police shouldn't "evolve" story, particularly when it benefits them when the shooting cop suddenly didn't think he was shooting a violent jaywalker.
Ferguson Police Chief: Cop didn't know unarmed teenager was a robbery suspect when he killed him
VERSION 1 - The officer didn't know
Jackson says the officer who stopped Brown did not stop him in connection with the alleged robbery. Brown was stopped, Jackson says, “Because he was walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic. That was it.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/
Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said.
VERSION 2 - The officer did know
Hours later, however, Jackson told a slightly different story to CNN and NBC, saying that Wilson noticed Brown was carrying a box of cigars that had been reported stolen. Wilson, he said, initially stopped Brown for blocking traffic, but as he began driving past Brown, he noticed Brown was holding cigars.
At that point, Wilson "made the connection" that Brown might have been involved in a theft that had just been broadcast on police radio, Jackson said.
You've conveniently left out the possibility the cop was being attacked but carry on with the victim narrative. You see what you want to see. Meanwhile, the black community slips further into dysfunction.
kinda the theme in this thread...
Ni66.er robs store,
police stop Ni66.er
Police Shoot ni66.er
No harm no foul...
except the fact that the clothes were different, and the Owner said it wasnt him,
but hey... no harm no foul
It doesn't matter how many times the police officials change the story. THIS GUY WHO GOT SHOT WASN'T AN ANGEL...HE WAS A STREET THUG WHO ROBBED A STORE AND JACKED UP THE STORE OWNER WHO TRIED TO STOP HIM....which the store owner was repaid by having his store looted and destroyed by protesters and now has to take a complete financial loss since there's no such thing as "rioter's insurance" Fact is that if he didn't get shot and killed that day....it would have likely happened another day
What my people need to realize is that not every black guy who gets killed or arrested is not Nelson Fucking Mandela....we should have patiently waited until all the evidence came out rather than taking to the streets and protesting.....and certainly not under any circumstances started rioting and looting. Now you see Al Sharpton whistling and acting like he didn't do shit now that he realizes that he got these people up in arms for no good reason.
What a fucking mess. Once again Al Sharpton leads the black race into the cotton fields. That's why the KKK doesn't hang black people anymore because we sure as hell are doing a great job doing it ourselves ::)
"the possibility of"...bro what the shit is that. Its pretty weak and i think you know that.
But i was simply responding to posters saying he robbed the store, saying it to justify the amount of force.
And the owner said he didnt rob them. So.......what now..."the possibility of". Broseph.. its weak as shit
"the possibility of"...bro what the shit is that. Its pretty weak and i think you know that.
But i was simply responding to posters saying he robbed the store, saying it to justify the amount of force.
And the owner said he didnt rob them. So.......what now..."the possibility of". Broseph.. its weak as shit
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/
Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video
August 18, 2014 1:28 am·
The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.
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The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.
The owners claim that this is a claim the police have come up with on their own. For his part, Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, has reportedly confessed to being with Brown in the convenient store. But for now, that has not been corroborated by the store owner, employees or eye witnesses. As well, we are not hearing this from Johnson himself, so a number of questions remain.
Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.
As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.
They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone.
They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone. So the real question is why the media has been taking the word of the police on this matter, even over the word of the eye witnesses and the store owner?
For his part, Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, has reportedly confessed to being with Brown in the convenient store.
And the owner said he didnt rob them.
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/In many states there is robbery or "strong arm robbery", which carried by out by physical force. Like someone confronting you and physically taking your phone away from you. Then there is armed robbery. Where there is a weapon or an implication that there is a weapon---and the taking of an item. In many states the person can be charged with both robbery and armed robbery and other charges, when a weapon is used.
Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video
August 18, 2014 1:28 am·
The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.
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August 18, 2014 1:28 am·
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The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.
The owners claim that this is a claim the police have come up with on their own. For his part, Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, has reportedly confessed to being with Brown in the convenient store. But for now, that has not been corroborated by the store owner, employees or eye witnesses. As well, we are not hearing this from Johnson himself, so a number of questions remain.
Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.
As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.
They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone.
You're twisting words again. Link us to a direct quote of the owner saying "M. Brown did not rob us".
The owner saying "I never said it was brown who robbed us" (please don't loot our store again) doesn't fly.
What the owner is saying is I didn't cause this. He isn't saying it wasn't Brown who robbed him. He's obviously terrified and trying to save his business and life.
And the clothes are identical right down to the socks.
No-brainer. Peripheral bullshit, all of it.
The clothes are the same. You are only considering the evidence that confirms your bias. You need to believe that this was a young brotha stuck down by an evil racist white cop. Now that the video is out you need to find a reason to dismiss it in order to maintain the innocence crucial to your narrative.
The clothes are the same. You are only considering the evidence that confirms your bias. You need to believe that this was a young brotha stuck down by an evil racist white cop. Now that the video is out you need to find a reason to dismiss it in order to maintain the innocence crucial to your narrative.
It always amazes me how bias people can be while also accusing others of being bias.
The left has gotten so desperate to control the narrative which has spiraled out of control that they've resorted to stealing the plot of "My Cousin Vinny" and have applied it to this case.
Just a matter of time before this man's services are retained.
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Not at all. I try to examine all evidence. But looks like here we like to hold on to out beliefs and work backwards from that. "Police shoot blackie, he must have had it coming"
i see this thread and i see people grabbing the 1st bit of evidence that supports their preconceived thoughts.
Attorney General Eric Holder called for another autopsy to be performed on slain black teenager Michael Brown, whose shooting by a white cop in a St. Louis suburb has sparked violent protests that left a man critically wounded early Sunday.
The Ferguson Police Department on Friday released a video that allegedly shows Michael Brown robbing a convenience store. Critics lashed out at police, saying that the footage's release was an attempt to disparage Brown's character.
The police officer said that he shot the gun in the car defending himself. That Michael Brown was charging him?
Some folks are simply incapable of objectivity.
More race-baiting nonsense. You started from the premise the cop was guilty and never turned back. Youre a complete hypocrite
no... the cop is definitely guilty, he shot an unarmed man 6 times.. thats like whast happened.
the store shit was a way for people to say "oh well he robbed the store so...thats why he got shot"
and of the owner says "i dont believe that him who robbed us" Why is that not taken into consideration.
Question?
Why three?
Did DOJ Eric Holder tell the Ferguson Police to withhold releasing this out as to why they went after Michael Brown?
Any truth to this?
Obviously, the facts is that Brown was shot six times by this police officer when Brown did not have a gun?
no... the cop is definitely guilty, he shot an unarmed man 6 times.. thats like whast happened.
the store shit was a way for people to say "oh well he robbed the store so...thats why he got shot"
and of the owner says "i dont believe that him who robbed us" Why is that not taken into consideration.
no... the cop is definitely guilty, he shot an unarmed man 6 times.. thats like whast happened.
the store shit was a way for people to say "oh well he robbed the store so...thats why he got shot"
and of the owner says "i dont believe that him who robbed us" Why is that not taken into consideration.
So what are we talking about here... because the fact is an unarmed man was shot 6 times.. That is fact.
But we dont treat it as fact... We treat it as "there obviously must be a justifiable reason why, And by god im going to find it"
Dude. You don't see your hypocrisy here?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727321/Conversation-recorded-bystander-just-moments-Michael-Brown-shooting-casts-doubt-claims-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html
;)
ok... if the evidence says escalation of force to "death" was warrented...then thats one thing. But to say He robbed the store (with gun) and then was shot later (without gun). One part of that is a fact, the other is disputed.
Dude. You don't see your hypocrisy here?
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So, the cop knew about the robbery and should've had a description of the perp.
This is a very small city, 21k people.
Why on earth wouldn't the cop have suspected Brown?
but its like Fact... The unarmed kid was shot 6 times and killed. no?
yeah the video isnt playable on this...
Trying to see how its directly related to my post above.
Im sure its all fact based... lol
Begins at 6:28/6:29 of video
Man 1: 'How’d he get from there to there?'
Eyewitness: 'Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck'
Eyewitness: 'But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him'
Eyewitness: 'Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him'
Man 1: 'Oh, the police got his gun'
Eyewitness: 'The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
(crosstalk)'
Eyewitness: 'Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing'
Man 1: 'The Police?'
Eyewitness: 'The Police shot him'
Man 1: 'Police?'
Eyewitness: 'The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … then something about he took it from him'
How is are the number of shots relevant? Do you understand how an officer is trained to shoot his weapon?
no i dont. Not trained as a police officer..
I figured 6 shots might be excessive.. but maybe im wrong
So he did not get shot with his hands up??? Based on this, he was running back to them? But still, 6 shots, 2 to the head?
but its like Fact... The unarmed kid was shot 6 times and killed. no?
So he did not get shot with his hands up??? Based on this, he was running back to them? But still, 6 shots, 2 to the head?
It doesn't matter how many times the police officials change the story.
Hate to contradict the forum opinion but, according to the forensics expert (who did the second autopsy) there is in-fact a possibility of a shot from behind and with arms raised.
As getbiggers know the arm is mobile so hard to determine where it was exactly.
4 shots went into the arm 2 into TOP the head.
but its like Fact... The unarmed kid was shot 6 times and killed. no?
Locally, a cop shot an "unarmed" man who was struggling with the officer for his weapon, had wrapped the radio mic cord around the officers neck and was chocking the officer. The officer shot the subject. The officer was not indicted.
Locally, a cop chases a person after that person attempted to commit fraud at a bank the detective was at investigating a earlier robbery. The chase ends in the plainclothes officer struggling with the individual. The gun in the officers had goes off during the struggle/taking the individual into custody striking the subject in the back of the head. Officer was indicted.
Two cases of an unarmed subject shot by police. Two different outcomes. This current situation could be either of these versions with either outcome. We (you and I) don't have enough facts to determine which it will be as of yet, and people like Option D are just showing how warped a persons sense of reality can be when hatred overtakes rational thinking... No offense to Option D
I read the report and I didn't read the possibility of a shot from behind.
But what colour were they?
The pathologist, Shawn Parcells said it at press conference
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He was shot six times but that is meaningless. It's also meaningless that Brown didn't have a gun. And your trying to find a reason why the officer is an evil white racist who killed a person because they were black. The fact you can't see your own hypocrisy is very sad.
he said one of the arm shots was possibly from behind
You said "guilty." Cop shot an unarmed man, that is your entire basis for guilt? You can't imagine a scenario where this might be justified, a "gentle giant" and all? I'm not gonna offer one, because I don't want to insult your intelligence. This is a childish response, D, you're smarter than this.About the "guilty" word. I would say the police officer is "responsible" based on what i knew about the case.
"Six times" is another lazy distraction. Please show me a video where a cop just shoots once or twice. They always unload, because they're trained to fire only when their life is in danger, which means shoot to kill. If he's pulling the trigger, he's firing until the man drops.
About the "guilty" word. I would say the police officer is "responsible" based on what i knew about the case.
6 times to me seems excessive. I thought 2 was enough.. Didnt know about the whole "empty the clip" stuff
Didnt know about the whole "empty the clip" stuff
you fire until the person is no longer a threat.
did not know that. I assumed (my fault) that you shoot to injure.
Until the threat is eliminated, as far as I know. Big dude, plenty of adrenaline, small caliber, two might not do the job. Perhaps Agnostic can clarify.
Then Ron can confirm his clarification.
I would wager it wasnt fired from behind as that wouldn't be consistent with the other shots.
is there are a thing called "Proper Esclation of force"
I asked because a cop told me that regarding this other kid that just got killed named Ezell Ford by the cops the other day here
I disagree. I think the shoot was legal and the rioters should be imprisoned.
But I disagree about the police being able to change stories. IMO, if a police report changes on something like "Why did we approach this kid", it's VERY DANGEROUS.
It's how dangerous trends get started. It's how police stop people for RANDOM reasons then just change it to whatever they find. It sets a dangerous precedent.
People act like I'm defending the kid that got shot or the rioters - I'm not. I just greatly dislike any situation where police continually amend a report in response to public pressure. "I stopped a jaywalker" to "I stopped a robber". It could be any of us, with cops just randomly shaking us down then inventing a reason. How many people a day "jaywalking" does this cop engage with?
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Assistant medical examiner Shawn Parcells indicates that the wound which struck Michael Brown's forearm could have hit from behind or when his hands were raised
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727568/Autopsy-reveals-Michael-Brown-shot-SIX-times-confrontation-police-officer.html
also, even though they aren't legally admissible...
You want transparency? You want to settle down *some* of the crowd?
Give that cop a polygraph and post the results.
Did he attack you? *YES*
Did you fear for your life? *YES*
Did he surrender? *NO*
Did you shoot him in back *NO*
Did you know he was a robber? *NO*
Pass every question.
He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.
And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.
Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”
did not know that. I assumed (my fault) that you shoot to injure.
Polygraphs are useless. Besides, the conspiracy theorists wouldn't believe the results even if he passed every question
also, even though they aren't legally admissible...
You want transparency? You want to settle down *some* of the crowd?
Give that cop a polygraph and post the results.
Did he attack you? *YES*
Did you fear for your life? *YES*
Did he surrender? *NO*
Did you shoot him in back *NO*
Did you know he was a robber? *NO*
Pass every question.
Why don't these thugs just get it? Stop acting like a thug, stop robbing stores, stop playing the role of thuggie walking around in the afternoon w nothing to do and get a fng job, pull your pants up, present yourself better - and you wont get shot by the police.
I doubt that considering every other bullet entry point. He shouldnt have made such a speculative statement as it implies Brown was giving up and there is no evidence for that. His body in motion accounts for every single bullet in his body, particularly the grouping fired into his right arm. People are grasping at straws with this.
Exactly.
Unfortunately, if you try to make the point that the police must still act lawfully people assume you're defending this kid and a lot of people are quite pleased he got wasted. Also, understandably, they get irritated and alienated by the likes of self-aggrandising charlatans like Sharpton inserting themselves into the drama.
The fact remains that police can't use force that is excessive and must be disciplined if and when they do. Police must always be held to account. Every single time an officer fires his gun in the line of duty it needs to be evaluated and investigated - and it is. Changing stories is never a good sign, in any situation. They themselves always point to a suspect changing his story as an indication of guilt, so it shouldn't be different for them.
I suspect he was suggesting this possibility because of the multiple witnesses who said he was shot at while running away then turned around.
Without the narrative of pervasive racism keeping them down, they have zero ability to advocate on their behalf. The altermative is to take responsibility for their own actions and those of their community and that places them under tremendous scrutiny. Its much easier to deflect.
This would solve nothing. Nor would a dashcam video vindicating the cop. This has nothing at all to do with reason, facts, and/or justice. It NEVER does.
Imagine the reality gutkick that would be. Might not recover.
Witnesses who have been discredited and contradicted. The main source being Browns friend whose testimony has been dismissed as untrue by both of the autopsies. The last two shots entered his head from the front indicating he was in a forward position facing the officer
There's another autopsy report?
hmmm.....
Two have been performed and another to be conducted by the Feds. The second was done at the request of a third party associated with the parents of Brown.
Wonder if the feds ran autopsies on unarmed whites killed by blacks
7 DEAD, 29 INJURED IN CHICAGO WEEKEND SHOOTINGS
This past weekend. Of course no riots or non-stop media coverage because it's Hebrews killing Hebrews.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/7-dead-29-injured-in-chicago-weekend-shootings/267982/ (http://abc7chicago.com/news/7-dead-29-injured-in-chicago-weekend-shootings/267982/)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system
He was doper too
Just like Ashtrayvon - a druggie, violent, looks like a thug, acts like a thug, and then the community gets upset when bad shit happens.
http://news.yahoo.com/missouri-governor-declares-state-emergency-curfew-203706380.html
Johnson stressed why resolving the unrest in Ferguson was important to him and other black families.
"When this is over, I'm going to go in my son's room, my black son, who wears his pants sagging, wears his hat cocked to the side, has tattoos on his arms, but that's my baby," he said.
"And we all ought to be thanking the Browns for Michael, because Michael is going to make it better for our sons, so they can be better black men. So they can be better for our daughters, so they can be better black women."
lol.
What an idiot...
the microscopes are out for Darren Wilson!!!!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/missouri-governor-declares-state-emergency-curfew-203706380.html
Johnson stressed why resolving the unrest in Ferguson was important to him and other black families.
"When this is over, I'm going to go in my son's room, my black son, who wears his pants sagging, wears his hat cocked to the side, has tattoos on his arms, but that's my baby," he said.
"And we all ought to be thanking the Browns for Michael, because Michael is going to make it better for our sons, so they can be better black men. So they can be better for our daughters, so they can be better black women."
What an idiot...
The community gets upset no matter..it's an excuse is all....
I don't know. Is it bad?
I don't know. Is it bad?
this fellows personal data is all over the internet
:o
And what will this accomplish? What are you hoping for?
No horse in this race but I'd be surprised if he's not brought up on charges.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system
He was doper too
Who are you kidding. You obviously do have a horse in this race. Your comments clearly indicate you believe the shooting was not legal despite the strong evidence to the contrary. d
actually the point is that the evidence to the contrary is weak
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/Are you really that much of a moron Option D?
Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video
August 18, 2014 1:28 am·
The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.
SUBMIT AN ARTICLEPrivacy PolicyDissenting Opinion MagazineYou are here: Home » Cover-Up Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video
August 18, 2014 1:28 am·
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The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.
The owners claim that this is a claim the police have come up with on their own. For his part, Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, has reportedly confessed to being with Brown in the convenient store. But for now, that has not been corroborated by the store owner, employees or eye witnesses. As well, we are not hearing this from Johnson himself, so a number of questions remain.
Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.
As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.
They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone.
kinda the theme in this thread...The clothes are the same, genius.
Ni66.er robs store,
police stop Ni66.er
Police Shoot ni66.er
No harm no foul...
except the fact that the clothes were different, and the Owner said it wasnt him,
but hey... no harm no foul
The clothes are the same, genius.
Im absolutely mystified by the level of delusion I'm reading.
Are you really that much of a moron Option D?
Its him clear as day. The police have confirmed it, Mike Brown`s friend confirmed it, all evidence confirms it. Don`t tell me you are this much of an idiot.
Carry on.
I don't know. Is it bad?::)
The OJ debacle demystified me for good; otherwise intelligent folks just willfully deluded. It's a phenomenon I simply can't relate to. I'd rather be disappointed than ignore what's smacking me in the face. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't.
I don't know. Is it bad?
Dumb white guy out protesting got shot by Hebrews. You can see the victim at 2:00."nice", will this be on TV?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=766_1408314793 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=766_1408314793)
It's not though. See, the witnesses have been discredited and the autopsy shows the shots were fired at the front of Brown's body from a distance.
::)
Yeah, seems legit.
You're not allowed to shoot people from a distance in the front or the top of the head either.
it's called MURDER
:D
You're really grasping at straws.
it's gonna take a bombshell to turn this around trust me
If the officer is prosecuted its purely for political reasons and has nothing to do with the facts of the case.
Truth. They're doing everything they can to mash that square peg into a round hole, but even if he is prosecuted, I think he'll come out clean.
I think under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner he can make a convincing case to at least a few jurors. All he has to do is convince them he feared for his life. The fight for the gun, and doubling back on him should do it for any reasonable man.
I have to state for those on the other side that this isn't white guy was right. It is the exploitation of the killing of a black person by a white person, the media coverage and distortion of facts (like the robbery video and accomplice evidence) that grates. You don't deserve to be shot for robbing a shop unarmed. That said, killing a robber and saying that the introduction of evidence that he was a robber is inflammatory is playing the race card and that is what the media have run with.
How this has been reported is a fucking disgrace.
this precedent (if you read it) would not help because the judgement was against the shooter...seems like common sense that shooting people is murder but you never know.
He wasn't shot for the strong-arm robbery, he was shot for assaulting a cop and trying to take his gun.
Huh?
He doesn't understand the difference between murder and killing.
Just heard some libtard on BBC say that the majority black community fund the police there with their taxes. What line of work involves wearing pants halfway down your ass with socks and sandals while robbing convenience stores?
Moral of the story... It's 2014 and in America the cops will shoot you and kill you and get two weeks off, paid, and then when they come back to work they will get a nice "desk job" for a few months.
The moral of the story is , don't attack a cop they can shoot you and get two weeks off paid
The moral of the story is, do nothing about the violence in your community until a white person kills someone and get free stuff.
The moral of the story is, do nothing about the violence in your community until a white person kills someone and get free stuff.
Moral of the story... J-walking kills.
Huh?
Moral of the story... J-walking kills.
Moral of the story... J-walking kills.
specifically unarmed people running away like the precedent
Jay walking.
specifically unarmed people running away like the precedent
He wasn't running away , stop perpetuation this lie. All shots were in the front.
Would this be the proper time to tell him santa claus doesn't exist?
I was talking about precedent that was cited earlier not the wilson case
that's why I said *precedent* :)
You're equating the two incidents.
some guy named BB posted it thinking it would exonerate the cop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
so I read it and judge ruled against the shooter which is a critical distinction to say the least!
some guy named BB posted it thinking it would exonerate the cop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
so I read it and judge ruled against the shooter which is a critical distinction to say the least!
I still think that case has merit here. While it deals with fleeing suspects, it backs up that the police have a right to shoot if they perceive a threat. It doesn't matter if he is outside the car, 15 feet away, etc... A lot of whiners seem to go on, and on about the distance, etc.... It means nothing.
It's a basic tenet of self defense in both civil and police guidelines. If the officer can clearly articulate that he felt the man was a threat then he has the right to shoot. He can shoot them unarmed, he can shoot them running, etc... All he has to do is convince one juror.
The judges ruling doesn't matter in terms of the Brown shooting unless you believe Brown was shot in the back while fleeing. None of the evidence indicates that's what happened. You can't equate the two cases when they are different.
Apparantly he did pay for his cigars....there was no robbery according to the second video.What second video? WHy did he push the store clerk like that?
Someone sent me this
Apparantly he did pay for his cigars....there was no robbery according to the second video.link
link
Not sure what is shown here, not sure of authenticity. Some are accusing Ferguson PD of creatively editing the video, leaving this part out. only showing the part where the owner accuses him of shoftlifting and they scrap. No idea if this is credible or even him, but this is the video everyone is talking about
I don't see Brown paying for anything. If he did, why would the store clerk immediately come around from behind the counter? Why were the police called?
1103 and it is about to go down.
what they're saying - and it's only the blogs, so I have no idea on the credibility -
is that he paid for SOME but clerk thought he stole something else. went to door to demand he pay, and brown took exception and it got physical.
IF that's the case, it shades things differently. If I pay, and someone accuses me, I get hot very fast. Get the #(@#& out of my face, I paid. Don't insult me like that. Etc
Maybe the Ferguson PD will revert to the ORIGINAL statement that they were just busting him as a jaywalker, not as a robber. They like to bounce back ad forth when politically convenient.
Why would you be shocked at the amount of arrests? That town is a shithole made up of criminals.
wow... it's really messy out there. I'm getting caught up on the story now.
Shoot looks legal. The statement changed about "Why" they stopped him - looks like they just busted him for jaywalking and maybe the robbery came up, maybe not.
The town is really a militarized zone... police arrest people a TON there. And they make a ton of $ from it. They have new vehicles and toys, and the schools in that area have very little.
So this has been building for a while, the people are protesting a perpetual police state?
IS THIS ACCURATE? Usually I feel strongly on issues. Aside from police changing important details about what started it all, I don't know what to think here.
wow... it's really messy out there. I'm getting caught up on the story now.
Shoot looks legal. The statement changed about "Why" they stopped him - looks like they just busted him for jaywalking and maybe the robbery came up, maybe not.
The town is really a militarized zone... police arrest people a TON there. And they make a ton of $ from it. They have new vehicles and toys, and the schools in that area have very little.
So this has been building for a while, the people are protesting a perpetual police state?
IS THIS ACCURATE? Usually I feel strongly on issues. Aside from police changing important details about what started it all, I don't know what to think here.
Apparantly he did pay for his cigars....there was no robbery according to the second video.
The way I understand it, the shiny new police toys are military surplus that must be utilized within one year or returned... Army doesn't have surplus textbooks etc. but the arrests and financials of that town seem crazy!! Like deadwood crazy...
In 2008, the town's crime rate was significantly higher than the state average, but since then, violent crime has consistently dropped each year. There were 163 instances of violent crime in Ferguson in 2008 and only 80 in 2012, according to FBI data.
The way I understand it, the shiny new police toys are military surplus that must be utilized within one year or returned... Army doesn't have surplus textbooks etc. but the arrests and financials of that town seem crazy!! Like deadwood crazy...
rachel maddow just made the street drama reporter go silent... maddow asked if the protesters are only acting this way due to the presence of the media/cameras on them.
LOL the reporter literally stopped responding to her. maddow keeping it oddly conservative with that Q.
rachel maddow just made the street drama reporter go silent... maddow asked if the protesters are only acting this way due to the presence of the media/cameras on them.
LOL the reporter literally stopped responding to her. maddow keeping it oddly conservative with that Q.
Dude, you watch that channel?
I seriously try to but they make me physically ill, like I seriously almost threw up watching that idiot before Maddow.
Totally understand, but Rob posted it, I was asking him.
No offense, Rog.
At what point did he try and take the officers gun? If he was shot at a distance then at what point did they separate and how far away was the officer from the assailant when he fired?
three articulate lawyered up witnesses say the cop reached out of the car and grabbed Michael Brown. Then a shot went off, the boy ran while getting chased turned around surrendered and was shot several times with hands up.
the chief of police cays the kid tried to grab the gun in the beginning but it's not clear what the final narrative is from the police side yet.
If you view the witness interviews they are compelling.
After reading this entire thread, Archer is on point. Option D, please don't take offense but until what Archer is saying is realized within black community the despair and destruction and poverty will continue. Its beyond disheartening. My first reaction is anger with this whole episode as with Travon but now its laughable but truly disheartening that a huge percentage of an entire culture is completely and utterly unwilling to look at facts or even consider them whenever a black man is killed by a white man. The fact that blacks are dying at a rate so disproportionate to any other race doesn't anger anyone(Black on Black crime accounts for 93% of blacks murdered) I don't know if you read that. Let me repeat NINETY THREE PERCENT 93%, violence, lack of fathers (Nearly 70 % of babies born in black communities are born out of wedlock). All these issues are fact and its swept under the rug. Just like Archer said Option D, it doesn't fit the narrative you want to believe. The belief that there is an evil white man holding you down. As long as someone is blocking your progress then you in fact aren't accountable for it now are you ? And if you aren't accountable then what do you have to change?Ben Carson is a creationist moron who thinks the world is 6000 years old only.
The answer is nothing and thats why nothing has changed. Thats why the black unemployment rate is nearly double that of other races. The black community is so far behind in education its downright sad. But as long as the black community accepts this and continues with this bullshit narrative of the evil white man, I hate to tell you this but nothing will ever change. Now if thats ok with you then so be it, but I know damn well if the future of my people was in doubt I would be doing anything to help them. It seems that person hasn't risen yet or if they have you would probably call them Uncle Tom. When they do and when the black community starts listening to a new narrative that teaches about accountability and education and to quit pointing the finger at the white man for all your problems then that will be the day the black community thrives again. And I pray that day comes. I truly do, whatever you might think to support your narrative about me. You see numbers don't lie, everything I said is fact, please take the time to educate yourself about the issues and how bad they are. The fact is the truth hurts but either get hurting by facing it or keep dying in the form of poverty, education, family stability. I hate to keep saying it you Option D but I am just using you as a metaphor for a large percentage after seeing your post earlier talking about "Cop is guilty" and seeing you say "kill that guy" and seeing you refute the obvious of Mr. Brown's presence in the video, or of you linking to a news site that is so biased its disgusting and the fact you can't even see thought that because "It doesnt fit the narrative".
Do I think Racism doesn't exist? Of course not, racism is still here. But do I think the kind of racism that was here for hundreds of years the kind of racism that will stop you or your son or your daughter from achieving whatever they wanted to achieve is still here? That answer is no. You see the Jesse Jackson's and Sharptons they have fed the black community this line for years and its been accepted as fact nothing can change your mind. What about facts? What about numbers? Nothing. Now that is dangerous to be that gullible. To not think for yourself about what the real issues are and what can be done to stop them. Hasn't enough time been lost? Enough poverty? Enough destruction. Now I'm not saying the Republican way is right, because there are some thing I don't like about republicans but as far as advancing you and helping you at what point is someone going to take stock in what the liberal and democratic ideology has done to the black community? I mean holy shit at what point does the community say "You know this whole blaming the evil white man hasn't really helped us much". It's plain heartbreaking to see a culture that can offer so much just be so blind and just not get it, but whats worse is refuse to get it to ignore facts to make up bullshit scenarios just to support the narrative that has been pumped down your throat for 30 + Years. I'm currently reading a book by a man named Dr. Ben Carson,a black conservative, the complete opposite to the slime of sharpton and jackson. Its called One Nation. I challenge you to read it Option D. I know this is some Bodybuilding forum and you might want to clown about it or others might clown on me but this is bigger than that this is about an entire culture dying.
IT WAS the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way- in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
There were a king with a large jaw and a queen with a plain face, on the throne of England; there were a king with a large jaw and a queen with a fair face, on the throne of France. In both countries it was clearer than crystal to the lords of the State preserves of loaves and fishes, that things in general were settled for ever.
It was the year of Our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five. Spiritual revelations were conceded to England at that favoured period, as at this. Mrs. Southcott had recently attained her five-and-twentieth blessed birthday, of whom a prophetic private in the Life Guards had heralded the sublime appearance by announcing that arrangements were made for the swallowing up of London and Westminster. Even the Cock-lane ghost had been laid only a round dozen of years, after rapping out its messages, as the spirits of this very year last past (supernaturally deficient in originality) rapped out theirs. Mere messages in the earthly order of events had lately come to the English Crown and People, from a congress of British subjects in America: which, strange to relate, have proved more important to the human race than any communications yet received through any of the chickens of the Cock-lane brood.
France, less favoured on the whole as to matters spiritual than her sister of the shield and trident, rolled with exceeding smoothness down hill, making paper money and spending it. Under the guidance of her Christian pastors, she entertained herself, besides, with such humane achievements as sentencing a youth to have his hands cut off, his tongue torn out with pincers, and his body burned alive, because he had not kneeled down in the rain to do honour to a dirty procession of monks which passed within his view, at a distance of some fifty or sixty yards. It is likely enough that, rooted in the woods of France and Norway, there were growing trees, when that sufferer was put to death, already marked by the Woodman, Fate, to come down and be sawn into boards, to make a certain movable framework with a sack and a knife in it, terrible in history. It is likely enough that in the rough outhouses of some tillers of the heavy lands adjacent to Paris, there were sheltered from the weather that very day, rude carts, bespattered with rustic mire, snuffed about by pigs, and roosted in by poultry, which the Farmer, Death, had already set apart to be his tumbrils of the Revolution. But that Woodman and that Farmer, though they work unceasingly, work silently and no one heard them as they went about with muffled tread: the rather, forasmuch as to entertain any suspicion that they were awake, was to be atheistical and traitorous.
In England, there was scarcely an amount of order and protection to justify much national boasting. Daring burglaries by armed men, and highway robberies, took place in the capital itself every night; families were publicly cautioned not to go out of town without removing their furniture to upholsterers' warehouses for security; the highwayman in the dark was a City tradesman in the light, and, being recognised and challenged by his fellow-tradesman whom he stopped in his character of "the Captain," gallantly shot him through the head and rode away; the mail was waylaid by seven robbers, and the guard shot three dead, and then got shot dead himself by the other four, "in consequence of the failure of his ammunition:" after which the mail was robbed in peace; that magnificent potentate, the Lord Mayor of London, was made to stand and deliver on Turnham Green, by one highwayman, who despoiled the illustrious creature in sight of all his retinue; prisoners in London gaols fought battles with their turkeys, and the majesty of the law fired blunderbusses in among them, loaded with rounds of shot and ball; thieves snipped off diamond crosses from the necks of noble lords at Court drawing-rooms; musketeers went into St. Giles's, to search for contraband goods, and the mob fired on the musketeers, and the musketeers fir on the mob, and nobody thought any of these occurrences much out of the common way. In the midst of them, the hangman, ever busy and ever worse than useless, was in constant requisition; now, stringing up long rows of miscellaneous criminals; now, hanging a housebreaker on Saturday who had been taken on Tuesday; now, burning people in the hand at Newgate by the dozen, and now burning pamphlets at the door of Westminster Hall; to-day, taking the life of an atrocious murderer, and to-morrow of a wretched pilferer who had robbed a farmer's boy of sixpence.
All these things, and a thousand like them, came to pass in and close upon the dear old year one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five. Environed by them, while the Woodman and the Farmer worked unheeded, those two of the large jaws, and those other two of the plain and the fair faces, trod with stir enough, and carried their divine rights with a high hand. Thus did the year one thousand seven hundred and seventy-five conduct their Greatnesses, and myriads of small creatures- the creatures of this chronicle among the rest- along the roads that lay before them.
This scenario has already been proven false by the autopsy. His hands were not above his head when he was shot.
yes good please explain his to me.
heres a pic of the forensic expert who did the autopsy. I'm sure he would be curious about it too.
(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2014/08/19/c9/d6/AP26308369729.jpg)
Ben Carson is a creationist moron who thinks the world is 6000 years old only.
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https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/statuses/501556693382094848
Boom
CNN Source: Story Corroborating Officer's Account Is Accurate
LEMON: The caller to the radio station, identified only as "Josie," told listeners she knew officer Wilson's side of the story, and in detail she laid out Wilson's account. Here is is in its entirety:
FRIEND OF DARREN WILSON: He rolled his window down and said, "Come on guys, get out of the street." They refused to do it and were yelling back that they were almost where they were going, and there was some cussing involved. And then he just kept rolling up, and he pulled over, and I believe at that point he called for backup, but I'm not sure.
I know he pulled up ahead of them, and he was watching them, and then he gets the call in that there was a strong-arm robbery, and they give the description, and he's looking at them, and they've got something in their hands that looks like it could be the cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them, tries to get out of his car, they slam his door shut violently. He said Michael did. And then he opened his car again and tried to get out, and as he's trying to stand up Michael just bum-rushes him, just shoves him back into the car, punching him in the face.
Then Darren grabs for his gun, Michael grabs the gun. At one point he got the gun totally turned against his hip, and Darren shoves it away, and the gun goes off. Michael takes off with his friend. They get to be about 35 feet away, and Darren's first protocol is to pursue, so he stands up and yells, "Freeze" Michael and his friend turn around, and Michael starts taunting him, "Oh, what are you going to do about it? You're not going to shoot me."
And then he says all the sudden he just started to bum rush him. He just started coming at him full speed, and so he just started shooting, and he just kept coming. So he really thinks he was on something, because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable. And then so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two to three feet in front of the officer.
LEMON: None of this is to be taken as fact. Just like any eye-witness, it is their account. This is her account, but the source does say--a source with detailed knowledge of this investigation into the shooting--tells CNN that the account is accurate. A souce with detailed knowledge of the investigation into the shooting told CNN that the account is accurate. The source declined to add detail. So, there you have it. This is someone who is allegedly friends with the officer, and allegedly this story was conveyed from Darren Wilson to her before all of the uproar over this, before all of the protests. He conveyed this story to her in the initial hours after that deadly shooting. And now you have heard from his side of the story from someone who alleges to be his friend.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/08/18/cnn_source_story_corroborating_officers_account_is_accurate.html
What second video? WHy did he push the store clerk like that?
What if that had been Caliber Fitness that he had walked into and started pushing people around?
I promise you wouldn't be singing your same tune.
this town is WILD! Police have been making $$$$ with lots of arrests. Sounds like they really messed with a lot of people. Stopping jaywalkers, it makes sense.
Ferguson. In 2013 the town issued over 24,000 arrest warrants..
In a town with 21,000 people... Yes you saw those numbers right.
“Despite Ferguson’s relative poverty, fines and court fees comprise the second largest source of revenue for the city, a total of 2,635,400,” according to the ArchCity Defenders report. And in 2013, the Ferguson Municipal Court issued 24,532 arrest warrants and 12,018 cases, “or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household.”
http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-profiling-police-courts-shooting-264744
Why would you be shocked at the amount of arrests? That town is a shithole made up of criminals.
He would not have made it to his encounter with Officer Wilson.
Why do Hebrews enjoy walking in the street so much? ???
Adonis....its impossible for any town to have that amount of criminals. The arrest warrant rate is highly suspicious.
Ok guys, So i see a lot of..."ni66er.s" kill each other every day but when a cop does it you want to be all up in arms"
And i can see where your confusion is because i thought the same thing. Then i talked to some old heads and the explained it like this. The black on black violence is a serious issue and gets addressed. Usually the killer is found and they go to jail. Its not as if justice isnt served.
When a cop shoots a black man a couple of factors are at play. 1. Cop shouldnt be judge, jury and excecutioner. Also this is the guy that is supposed to protect you not shoot when rattled. Yes black on black violence is a problem. But police killing unrmed blacks is a well documented problem aswell.
Now i also read something like "not a peep from the peanut gallery when a black kills a black".. First of, I dont read about the individual murders and they arent discussed in the news in great detail as when a sworn officer/ authority figure does it. Secondly, I myself spend many many hours teaching black and hispanic youth the other options and the possibilities out side of gang life. Now if you arent really in it, and you can look at if from the sideline, you will say, "oh thats bullshit, all they have to do is get a job". And its correct in a sense, but the truth is, They seriously think they have zero options and its reinforced every day. But thats a discussion for a different time.
So basically, yes the black on black crime is a serious problem that is attempted to be addressed in house. But when its COP on black, its almost like, the one we should be able to go to for protection is the one killing us and they have the law and judicial system on their side. Some probably wont understand what im saying, but im sure a few will...
time for work
Ok guys, So i see a lot of..."ni66er.s" kill each other every day but when a cop does it you want to be all up in arms"
And i can see where your confusion is because i thought the same thing. Then i talked to some old heads and the explained it like this. The black on black violence is a serious issue and gets addressed. Usually the killer is found and they go to jail. Its not as if justice isnt served.
When a cop shoots a black man a couple of factors are at play. 1. Cop shouldnt be judge, jury and excecutioner. Also this is the guy that is supposed to protect you not shoot when rattled. Yes black on black violence is a problem. But police killing unrmed blacks is a well documented problem aswell.
Now i also read something like "not a peep from the peanut gallery when a black kills a black".. First of, I dont read about the individual murders and they arent discussed in the news in great detail as when a sworn officer/ authority figure does it. Secondly, I myself spend many many hours teaching black and hispanic youth the other options and the possibilities out side of gang life. Now if you arent really in it, and you can look at if from the sideline, you will say, "oh thats bullshit, all they have to do is get a job". And its correct in a sense, but the truth is, They seriously think they have zero options and its reinforced every day. But thats a discussion for a different time.
So basically, yes the black on black crime is a serious problem that is attempted to be addressed in house. But when its COP on black, its almost like, the one we should be able to go to for protection is the one killing us and they have the law and judicial system on their side. Some probably wont understand what im saying, but im sure a few will...
time for work
Cops killing unarmed Blacks is NOT a well documented problem...
Most of the people killed by cops are Whites.
This is the FIRST cop killing in Ferguson"s history..
There are 34,000 arrests made every day in the US, cops killing people are a miniscule number compared to the total arrests.
The reason we hear about it is our media loves to trumpet these stories to gin up hysteria and ratings.
I don't understand this:
Why the fuck are some protesters shooting other protesters?
Ok guys, So i see a lot of..."ni66er.s" kill each other every day but when a cop does it you want to be all up in arms"
SHOWS THATBLACKS DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT MURDERS AND VIOLENCE - ONLY WHO IS THE ONE DOING IT
And i can see where your confusion is because i thought the same thing. Then i talked to some old heads and the explained it like this. The black on black violence is a serious issue and gets addressed. Usually the killer is found and they go to jail. Its not as if justice isnt served.
LOL. SERIOUSLY? CHICAGO HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST CLEARANCE RATES FOR MURDERS. ADDITIONALLY - SO ITS ALL GOOD SO LONG AS THE PERP IS CAUGHT? HOW ABOUT NOT MURDERING EACH OTHER IN THE FIRST PLACE?
When a cop shoots a black man a couple of factors are at play. 1. Cop shouldnt be judge, jury and excecutioner.
LMFAO. ARE YOU EVEN REMOTELY AWARE OF SELF DEFENSE LAWS AND ACTING IN DEFENSE OF ONES SELF?
Also this is the guy that is supposed to protect you not shoot when rattled. Yes black on black violence is a problem. But police killing unrmed blacks is a well documented problem aswell.
FALSE.
Now i also read something like "not a peep from the peanut gallery when a black kills a black".. First of, I dont read about the individual murders and they arent discussed in the news in great detail as when a sworn officer/ authority figure does it.
SO?
Secondly, I myself spend many many hours teaching black and hispanic youth the other options and the possibilities out side of gang life. Now if you arent really in it, and you can look at if from the sideline, you will say, "oh thats bullshit, all they have to do is get a job". And its correct in a sense, but the truth is, They seriously think they have zero options and its reinforced every day. But thats a discussion for a different time.
NO ITS NOT FOR A DIFFERENT TIME. LAZY THUGS WALKING ABOUT WITH NOTHING TO DO IN THE AFTERNOON BUT DO DRUGS, ROB AND STEAL IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO GETTING IN TROUBLE, ETC.
So basically, yes the black on black crime is a serious problem that is attempted to be addressed in house.
YEAH, IN HOUSE. LOL. SERIOUSLY - HOW OLD ARE YOU?
But when its COP on black, its almost like, the one we should be able to go to for protection is the one killing us and they have the law and judicial system on their side.
EXCEPT WHEN THE GUY ARGUABLY ATTACKED THE COP HIMSELF AND WENT FOR THE COPS WEAPON
Some probably wont understand what im saying, but im sure a few will...
TRUE
time for work
Ok guys, So i see a lot of..."ni66er.s" kill each other every day but when a cop does it you want to be all up in arms"Both issues are a problem.
And i can see where your confusion is because i thought the same thing. Then i talked to some old heads and the explained it like this. The black on black violence is a serious issue and gets addressed. Usually the killer is found and they go to jail. Its not as if justice isnt served.
When a cop shoots a black man a couple of factors are at play. 1. Cop shouldnt be judge, jury and excecutioner. Also this is the guy that is supposed to protect you not shoot when rattled. Yes black on black violence is a problem. But police killing unrmed blacks is a well documented problem aswell.
Now i also read something like "not a peep from the peanut gallery when a black kills a black".. First of, I dont read about the individual murders and they arent discussed in the news in great detail as when a sworn officer/ authority figure does it. Secondly, I myself spend many many hours teaching black and hispanic youth the other options and the possibilities out side of gang life. Now if you arent really in it, and you can look at if from the sideline, you will say, "oh thats bullshit, all they have to do is get a job". And its correct in a sense, but the truth is, They seriously think they have zero options and its reinforced every day. But thats a discussion for a different time.
So basically, yes the black on black crime is a serious problem that is attempted to be addressed in house. But when its COP on black, its almost like, the one we should be able to go to for protection is the one killing us and they have the law and judicial system on their side. Some probably wont understand what im saying, but im sure a few will...
time for work
I don't understand this:
Why the fuck are some protesters shooting other protesters?
LOL
Feminine version of Rachel Maddow gets rocks thrown at him. ;D
I was wondering how long it would take him to start kissing the ass of the same people who were assaulting him just a few seconds earlier.
It's almost like you could punch him in the face during the middle of an interview and he would simply carry on like a mindless robot.
I truly want to understand their mindset. My uncle is one of these psycho liberals. I believe he would let black people rape him to avoid possibly offending them by saying no.
You know as the typical upper middle class white liberal with a messiah complex hes thinking to himself, "I'm one of you. I'm here to help your cause I feel your pain." What he is to naive to realize is they will never look at him as one of them. He will always be the mustache twirling bad guy in the silly melodrama people like himself have helped to create and perpetuate.
LOL
Feminine version of Rachel Maddow gets rocks thrown at him. ;D
My answer
yes good please explain his to me.
heres a pic of the forensic expert who did the autopsy. I'm sure he would be curious about it too.
(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2014/08/19/c9/d6/AP26308369729.jpg)
Forensic pathologist assistant Shawn Parcells, who helped conduct the autopsy of Michael Brown commissioned by his family, told reporters that it remains unclear whether Brown was shot by police while walking with his hands up.
Parcells explained that the autopsy does not confirm witness statements that Brown was shot while he surrendered with his hands in the air to police earlier this month. During Monday’s press briefing, he wanted to be “very clear” that a wound in Brown’s right arm could have taken place in a number of positions.
Good answer, this idiot was very privileged growing up and still at 60 years old has no experience with the real world. He has a government job that pays three times what he's worth too, so of course he's a big defender of that kind of shit. ;D
I want to use that Sling Blade line on him... "Wake up and face what they call reality".
"When a cop shoots a black man a couple of factors are at play. 1. Cop shouldnt be judge, jury and excecutioner. Also this is the guy that is supposed to protect you not shoot when rattled. Yes black on black violence is a problem. But police killing unrmed blacks is a well documented problem aswell. "
My responseto the OP.
There were over 12 millions arrests last year. Only 423 officer involved shootings. Some were fatal, some were not. The largest group in the shootings were white, followed by hispanic, then black.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown
If true - the thugs, race pimps, criminals, assholes on the left, etc need to all FNG take a long walk off a short pier nto shark infested waters
Impossible. He was on his knees with his hands in the air and a tear in his eye pleading, "Please Mister, don't shoot me"
The "forensic expert" in the picture is Shawn Parcells. He does not hold a medical license, nor did he attend medical school. He has a Bachelor's in Chemistry from Kansas State. The autopsy was performed by Dr. Michael Baden, with Parcells assisting.
Shawn Parcells has an interesting history as a "forensic expert"
http://pathologyblawg.com/pathology-news/pathology-law/forensic-pathology/was-bachelor-science-performing-unsupervised-forensic-autopsies-missouri/ (http://pathologyblawg.com/pathology-news/pathology-law/forensic-pathology/was-bachelor-science-performing-unsupervised-forensic-autopsies-missouri/)
Ok guys, So i see a lot of..."ni66er.s" kill each other every day but when a cop does it you want to be all up in arms"
And i can see where your confusion is because i thought the same thing. Then i talked to some old heads and the explained it like this. The black on black violence is a serious issue and gets addressed. Usually the killer is found and they go to jail. Its not as if justice isnt served.
When a cop shoots a black man a couple of factors are at play. 1. Cop shouldnt be judge, jury and excecutioner. Also this is the guy that is supposed to protect you not shoot when rattled. Yes black on black violence is a problem. But police killing unrmed blacks is a well documented problem aswell.
Now i also read something like "not a peep from the peanut gallery when a black kills a black".. First of, I dont read about the individual murders and they arent discussed in the news in great detail as when a sworn officer/ authority figure does it. Secondly, I myself spend many many hours teaching black and hispanic youth the other options and the possibilities out side of gang life. Now if you arent really in it, and you can look at if from the sideline, you will say, "oh thats bullshit, all they have to do is get a job". And its correct in a sense, but the truth is, They seriously think they have zero options and its reinforced every day. But thats a discussion for a different time.
So basically, yes the black on black crime is a serious problem that is attempted to be addressed in house. But when its COP on black, its almost like, the one we should be able to go to for protection is the one killing us and they have the law and judicial system on their side. Some probably wont understand what im saying, but im sure a few will...
time for work
Ok guys, So i see a lot of..."ni66er.s" kill each other every day but when a cop does it you want to be all up in arms"
And i can see where your confusion is because i thought the same thing. Then i talked to some old heads and the explained it like this. The black on black violence is a serious issue and gets addressed. Usually the killer is found and they go to jail. Its not as if justice isnt served.
When a cop shoots a black man a couple of factors are at play. 1. Cop shouldnt be judge, jury and excecutioner. Also this is the guy that is supposed to protect you not shoot when rattled. Yes black on black violence is a problem. But police killing unrmed blacks is a well documented problem aswell.
Now i also read something like "not a peep from the peanut gallery when a black kills a black".. First of, I dont read about the individual murders and they arent discussed in the news in great detail as when a sworn officer/ authority figure does it. Secondly, I myself spend many many hours teaching black and hispanic youth the other options and the possibilities out side of gang life. Now if you arent really in it, and you can look at if from the sideline, you will say, "oh thats bullshit, all they have to do is get a job". And its correct in a sense, but the truth is, They seriously think they have zero options and its reinforced every day. But thats a discussion for a different time.
So basically, yes the black on black crime is a serious problem that is attempted to be addressed in house. But when its COP on black, its almost like, the one we should be able to go to for protection is the one killing us and they have the law and judicial system on their side. Some probably wont understand what im saying, but im sure a few will...
time for work
Cops are authorized to use force so enjoy legal benefit of the doubt and are rarely reprimanded for shoosting people.
Additionally if you look at the legal process the cards are stacked against any type of conviction. In a case like this extremely rare. You need to get very lucky with jurors.
This fellow will walk on a technicality after shooting a kid with his hands up in front of witnesses.
Cops are authorized to use force so enjoy legal benefit of the doubt and are rarely reprimanded for shoosting people.
Additionally if you look at the legal process the cards are stacked against any type of conviction. In a case like this extremely rare. You need to get very lucky with jurors.
This fellow will walk on a technicality after shooting a kid with his hands up in front of witnesses.
Cops are authorized to use force so enjoy legal benefit of the doubt and are rarely reprimanded for shoosting people.
Additionally if you look at the legal process the cards are stacked against any type of conviction. In a case like this extremely rare. You need to get very lucky with jurors.
This fellow will walk on a technicality after shooting a kid with his hands up in front of witnesses.
The kid was violent. Proven on video.
He assaulted a store owner, and assaulted the cop.
:-*
You're facts are totally wrong.
Not saying he didn't, but what proof do you have that he assaulted the cop?
Darren Wilson was treated @ hospital for injuries to his face after the altercation with Brown.
yes good please explain his to me.
heres a pic of the forensic expert who did the autopsy. I'm sure he would be curious about it too.
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Does this mean CASE CLOSED? Xrays coming out of Ferguson Hospital show that the cop had an Orbital Blowout. For those of you from Rio Linda...that's a broken eye socket from being hit really hard in the face. I know about this injury first hand. I was hit so hard I had to have my contact lens surgically removed.
If this is the case then the cop was protecting his own life.
Again...If, and may I repeat "if", this is the case then all those self pitying hate mongers, blacks/white liberals/media. should go home and ask their Higher Power for forgiveness.
No, what you'll see is the Liberal Mental Illness exposed to an even greater degree.
The cop and white people in general will be blamed for inciting such anger in this fine young man.
Just looking at that shot pattern on the perps body tells me the officer was under severe stress when he fired those shots. Assuming Wilson is right handed. Every shot is veering left and most of them left and down from where he was probably aiming, chest upper chest. This is a common mistake people make when shooting a hand gun, they squeeze all 5 fingers when pulling the trigger, instead of just moving the trigger finger, which causes the gun to move left and usually down, causing all the shots to be left of the intended aiming point. Being that Wilson is a cop I assume he has had extensive firearm training and would not make this rookie mistake unless he was under severe stress and reacting instinctively. Doesn't look like an execution to me.
So the witnesses cooked up a story about him running away then turning around and getting shot with his hands up?
so that they can can a new hi-fi system? :)
Wow interesting theory
thank you for your contribution
How much do you suppose she received for that interview? :-\
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The thumb shot strikes me as inconsistent with someone who had his hands over his head. Why would the cop aim that high?
Moreover, if he were running away, his arms would've been bent, with his thumbs unexposed.
So the witnessescooked up a story about him running away then turning around and getting shot with his hands up?
my feeling is the pattern indicates a static target. It would take a lot of luck to hit a moving arm
Seems to be the case, yes.
Seems to be the case, yes.
hate to say it but there are three witnesses, one on foot, one looking out the window, and one in a car with the same story.
please refrain from claiming otherwise
a lot of fact getting murdered up in here! :)
hate to say it but there are three witnesses, one on foot, one looking out the window, and one in a car with the same story.
please refrain from claiming otherwise
a lot of facts getting murdered up in here! :)
The witnesses claims have been disputed and contradicted by each other and the results of the autopsy report. Not to the mention of the video of the scene shortly after incident where a bystander confirms the officers story. These witnesses claimed that Brown was executed from behind while surrendering and early reports indicate they said he was down either on the ground or his knees. None of that is true. This was the explanation conspiracy theorists gave for the bullet hole on the top of his head. After the autopsy report disputed these results there has been a lot of back tracking.
my feeling is the pattern indicates a static target. It would take a lot of luck to hit a moving arm
sounds like another devious plot cooked up by the black menace!
If what you say is true...
What possible motive did Darren Wilson have to execute a person who had surrendered... standing motionless, hands held high? What was his motive (in your opinion) to execute Brown in front of witnesses?
my feeling is the pattern indicates a static target. It would take a lot of luck to hit a moving arm
If what you say is true...
What possible motive did Darren Wilson have to execute a person who had surrendered... standing motionless, hands held high? What was his motive (in your opinion) to execute Brown in front of witnesses?
I have no idea! My guess is he was used to acting like a cowboy on duty and bit off more than he could chew. He tangled with a 6'4" 290lb Michael and lost his nerve realizing he could get his ass handed to him. That's when the shooting starts which is just insanity at that point.
I have no idea! My guess is he was used to acting like a cowboy on duty and bit off more than he could chew. He tangled with a 6'4" 290lb Michael and lost his nerve realizing he could get his ass handed to him. That's when the shooting starts which is just insanity at that point.
LOL
Feminine version of Rachel Maddow gets rocks thrown at him. ;D
Anger, adrenaline pumping, ego-wounded, eye socket broken - "I'll teach that fucking wannabe thug to hit me!"? I am not saying this is the case at all, just offering a possible motive in that scenario.
I have no idea! My guess is he was used to acting like a cowboy on duty and bit off more than he could chew. He tangled with a 6'4" 290lb Michael and lost his nerve realizing he could get his ass handed to him. That's when the shooting starts which is just insanity at that point.
A conspiracy theory with no evidence to back it up. You place all the fault on the officer based on your own bias. If we want to make character judgement, the truth is, Brown is the only one whose personality we have the least bit of insight into and what we know isn't good but I'm sure you completely ignore that.
Yup--- violence
TrueGrit--- you named yourself after a movie that features a U.S. Marshal who notoriously killed dozens of suspects that had questionable evidence against them
I love the Irony.
There's no irony. You asked a question and I answered it. If you think I'm saying that's what happened, I urge you read what I posted. A defence lawyer or a prosecutor spends his/her time coming up with plausible explanations for myriad human actions.
Also, Truegrit was just a movie. John Wayne's real name was Marion Morrison.
The motives that you proposed all indicated that Brown was not in a surrendering mood.... but rather a violent mood.
This would later be confirmed by the violence/theft at the grocery store.
(I'd be WAY more supportive of Brown IF he wasn't on video robbing a store earlier that night)
You can't assault a cop and then surrender at the very instant that he is as he is emptying his clip.... Rooster Cogburn would fully agree with me an that.
who cares.
one less criminal, predator, all around piece of shit. I know the store owner he strong armed will breathe easier knowing this.
He yelled something at the kid for jaywalking, and they go into it, right?
seriously, I see jaywalkers all the time and police don't gaffle them. But in ferguson, they do.
"Mr. Turbo" tells us how it all went down ;D
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Regardless of who this kid was or what he had just done I'm betting the cop was just being a dick about him jaywalking.
definitely. The police initially announced the shooting cop didn't know he was a robber. He just saw someone jaywalking and accosted him.???
I think the reason they *so quickly* changed that story is because they didn't want people looking at their "jaywalking" stats in that town. If they have 21,000 citizens and 23,000 warrants lol... well, the cops in that town are very "active" lol.
"Mr. Turbo" tells us how it all went down ;D
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The pigsty of a town has 21,000 citizens and last year the piggies issued 24,000 arrest warrants ? HAHAHAHA! ;D.
Sounds like a lovely little village.
"Mr. Turbo" tells us how it all went down ;D
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I don't understand this:
Why the fuck are some protesters shooting other protesters?
Nigs nonna nig.
I shudder to think what Ireland would be like with the same gun laws as America.All the knackers (welfare scumbags) would be robbing people left right and centre.
Apparently he paid for his "cigars" that were stolen?
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ferguson-police-fail-attempt-smear-michael-brown-exposed/
So... now what?
That's all you need, huh?
Apparently he paid for his "cigars" that were stolen?He didn`t. Thats only shopped around on the lunatic sites.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ferguson-police-fail-attempt-smear-michael-brown-exposed/
So... now what?
Apparently he paid for his "cigars" that were stolen?Yeah and he didn't push the little old store clerk.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ferguson-police-fail-attempt-smear-michael-brown-exposed/
So... now what?
He didn`t. Thats only shopped around on the lunatic sites.
He didn`t. Thats only shopped around on the lunatic sites.
Yeah and he didn't push the little old store clerk.
I was accused of stealing once at Target, and I was PISSED. "the cashier (an elderly woman who was new at her job) got confused and thinks she gave you change for $100 instead of change for a $10... do you mind stepping back inside while we investigate this?"
My blood was boiling. "Pull the video. Pull it now. Get her over here, pull the video, and I want to see it now. Charge me or apologize, and quickly". If I wasn't with the wifey, I may have kept walking and made them tackle me for the false charge. They gave me a sweet gift card for my trouble :)
Turns out she was confused and they train them to panic/accuse when they cannot remember if they just handed out a pile of 1s versus 20s...
Now, I'm just a normal, well-mannered old dude with buzzed head and fanny pack full of kindness... but try that on a kid, and I can see it escalating fast.
I dunno what this video shows... dunno if dude stole, don't care. I"m just saying if someone accuses me, blocks my exit, and I'm innocent, yet it may get physical fast.
You're heading into conspiracy theory territory here.
i said i dont know what the video shows. But if he DID pay, and some little mean store owner accused him, blocked path, whatever... well, personally, I could see myself getting hot fast with the owner. You don't accuse me of that, right after I just paid you for cigars.
So - can we all agree he bought SOME items there? Or is that entire video of him at the counter transacting, faked? What's the latest?
I was accused of stealing once at Target, and I was PISSED. "the cashier (an elderly woman who was new at her job) got confused and thinks she gave you change for $100 instead of change for a $10... do you mind stepping back inside while we investigate this?"
My blood was boiling. "Pull the video. Pull it now. Get her over here, pull the video, and I want to see it now. Charge me or apologize, and quickly". If I wasn't with the wifey, I may have kept walking and made them tackle me for the false charge. They gave me a sweet gift card for my trouble :)
Turns out she was confused and they train them to panic/accuse when they cannot remember if they just handed out a pile of 1s versus 20s...
Now, I'm just a normal, well-mannered old dude with buzzed head and fanny pack full of kindness... but try that on a kid, and I can see it escalating fast.
I dunno what this video shows... dunno if dude stole, don't care. I"m just saying if someone accuses me, blocks my exit, and I'm innocent, yet it may get physical fast.
I don't know if he bought some items there? How can you know that? You didn't see it.
I dont know that. I've made that clear.
But at :36, it does look like the shopkeeper is casually holding currency in his hand after giving dude some items form behind the counter. Casually walks past them talking. Doesn't look like a guy in the middle of a strongarm robbery... certainly Brown would have snatched that cash out of hand if that were the case?
Someone doesn't add up here. If dude is robbing the place, why does he pay for "some"? Why does he let cashier walk past with handful of cash, why does cashier keep handing him things? His friend is macking on the girl with a belly and a kid in the store. Doesn't look like mid-robbery behavior from anyone on that film. And since the police already changed one big item, I dunno...
I'm sure there is an explanation, but "Dude walked in, beat up/robbed" just doesn't fit here. Maybe they had a disagreement on items, cost, cash transacted, etc. I dunno. it's not the standard robbery, i'd guess.
You can't assume he would have taken the cash. You can't make assumptions about a persons motivations and actions to fit your theory.
No, but I also cannot *assume* michael brown robbed that store and that man, either.
The shopkeeper said the man shot wasn't the same guy, right? He was probably mistaken, but already we have a guy with some confusion or other reason not to be credible.
Nothing on that video looks like a robbery. Even the exchange at the door could be anything. At the very least, this video makes us need to ask twice, EXACTLY what happened at the door?
Did the police ever release anything besides that video? Details? LOL if they release THIS video only, the story is "Customers wait in line then check out mama while waiting". Seriously, dude walks by with a handful of cash?
I can't assume to know ANYTHING about this "robbery". None of us can.
You can't assume he would have taken the cash. You can't make assumptions about a persons motivations and actions to fit your theory.
???
Where did it say anywhere that the officer accosted Mike Brown? ??? ??? ??? ???
LOL! He'll nearly beat a cop to death, he'll shake down an old man for cigars... but a handful of cash and he calmly looks at the booty instead? Then, he doesn't steal that cash, only a pack of cigars?
This is fishy. No, we can't "assume", but until we see an official report on that robbery (it's been 10 or 11 days now?), I don't even know if we can accurately call it a robbery. Are the police even calling it that? Where's the report? What did he steal?
He was there for cigars not cash. He probably assumed he could get in and out quick. Why draw more attention to yourself by taking the cash..
LOL! He'll nearly beat a cop to death, he'll shake down an old man for cigars... but a handful of cash and he calmly looks at the booty instead? Then, he doesn't steal that cash, only a pack of cigars?
This is fishy. No, we can't "assume", but until we see an official report on that robbery (it's been 10 or 11 days now?), I don't even know if we can accurately call it a robbery. Are the police even calling it that? Where's the report? What did he steal?
You can't assume he would have taken the cash. You can't make assumptions about a persons motivations and actions to fit your theory.
He was there for cigars not cash. He probably assumed he could get in and out quick. Why draw more attention to yourself by taking the cash..
LOL
That's all you need, huh?
I was demonstrating how easily it is to speculate and interpret events to fit the story you want to believe. You fail to understand the flow of the conversation between 240 and I.
No I didn't. You criticised him for making assumptions and then did exactly that yourself. You weren't giving him an objective demonstration of anything. You didn't demonstrate anything except hypocrisy.
I wasn't being a hypocrite at all. As I said, I could just as easily argue a particular point to fit the narrative of my choice. 240 was giving his theory and I came up with alternative theories to his in order to show how easy it is to conform the narrative to ones particular views. I thought it was obvious but I guess I was wrong.
No, but I also cannot *assume* michael brown robbed that store and that man, either.This should help.
The shopkeeper said the man shot wasn't the same guy, right? He was probably mistaken, but already we have a guy with some confusion or other reason not to be credible.
Nothing on that video looks like a robbery. Even the exchange at the door could be anything. At the very least, this video makes us need to ask twice, EXACTLY what happened at the door?
Did the police ever release anything besides that video? Details? LOL if they release THIS video only, the story is "Customers wait in line then check out mama while waiting". Seriously, dude walks by with a handful of cash?
I can't assume to know ANYTHING about this "robbery". None of us can.
No, but I also cannot *assume* michael brown robbed that store and that man, either.Where the hell did you get that idea from? ??? ??? ??? ???
The shopkeeper said the man shot wasn't the same guy, right? He was probably mistaken, but already we have a guy with some confusion or other reason not to be credible.
Nothing on that video looks like a robbery. Even the exchange at the door could be anything. At the very least, this video makes us need to ask twice, EXACTLY what happened at the door?
Did the police ever release anything besides that video? Details? LOL if they release THIS video only, the story is "Customers wait in line then check out mama while waiting". Seriously, dude walks by with a handful of cash?
I can't assume to know ANYTHING about this "robbery". None of us can.
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Then he didn't pay for his cigars? But that objective website insisted he did.Its strange. Even Mike Brown`s family attorney says that it was him in the video and admits that he was involved in the strong armed robbery. No idea what the motives of lunatics are here when the accused party even admits guilt.
So ... now what?
Any of you making snap judgments sadden me.
Its strange. Even Mike Brown`s family attorney says that it was him in the video and admits that he was involved in the strong armed robbery. No idea what the motives of lunatics are here when the accused party even admits guilt.
Its insane really.
The friend with Mike Brown already said that the cigerillos were stolen and it was Mike Brown. The attorney for Mike Brown`s family confirmed it was him. The Police confirmed it was him. Eyewitnesses in the store confirmed it was him. The store owner confirmed it was him. The video confirmed it was him.
What more do you need? Seriously. Nobody involved in the case is doubting that Mike Brown was involved in the strong armed robbery. Only morons are doubting it. Seriously, why do that?
No sh*t....wake up guys. Why are people adamant on saying this bum didn't rob the the Arab convenient store? That has 'at least' been settled.Exactly. Even Mike Brown`s family attorneys have no problem with admitting that it was him in the strong-armed robbery. Yet for some reason, people would rather make up their own narrative.
It doesn't fit in with their innocent gentle giant narrative.
No sh*t....wake up guys. Why are people adamant on saying this bum didn't rob the the Arab convenient store? That has 'at least' been settled.
Which is pretty much what you've done the whole time. It's very clear where you stand and if anybody suggests anything that jars with your view you start calling them biased, when in fact you're the one that is biased and making assumptions - you've already got this thing banged to rights and are ready to close the file.
Ergo, I called you a hypocrite.
The friend with Mike Brown already said that the cigerillos were stolen and it was Mike Brown. The attorney for Mike Brown`s family confirmed it was him. The Police confirmed it was him. Eyewitnesses in the store confirmed it was him. The store owner confirmed it was him. The video confirmed it was him.
What more do you need? Seriously. Nobody involved in the case is doubting that Mike Brown was involved in the strong armed robbery. Only morons are doubting it. Seriously, why do that?
Where the hell did you get that idea from? ??? ??? ??? ???
It's actually all over fox and cnn right now.
The shop owner said it through his attorney.
The owner also said that they never called the police about anything.
Remember, you saw it and heard it here first. We have heard (from a VERY connected national media source) that Ferguson officer Darren Wilson will be cleared in the shooting of Michael Brown. The key: Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. OFFICER WILSON WILL NOT BE CHARGED! This is scary. When this news is made official, we all have reason to be concerned about the reaction.
The only thing I care about is the strong armed Gestapo. Tell people they have to keep moving and can't protest as they are legally allowed to do (even if it's for the wrong reason, it's their right)
No.
You are black and you are lying.
x2These are hardly peaceful protests. They have the right to assembly and have legal ways of securing that right. They do not have the right to damage, destroy and steal other people`s property and they do not have a right to enact or incite violence which has happened every single night.
Hahaha. Ok.??? You Don't look black
??? You Don't look black
These are hardly peaceful protests. They have the right to assembly and have legal ways of securing that right. They do not have the right to damage, destroy and steal other people`s property and they do not have a right to enact or incite violence which has happened every single night.
What would you suggest the police use? I am glad they have the necessary tools to at least curtail some of this nonsense. This whole fear of the "militarization" of police is silly. This hardware is only brought out in extreme situations such as this and is necessary.
This is where liberal Rand Paul loses it.
These are hardly peaceful protests. They have the right to assembly and have legal ways of securing that right. They do not have the right to damage, destroy and steal other people`s property and they do not have a right to enact or incite violence which has happened every single night.
What would you suggest the police use? I am glad they have the necessary tools to at least curtail some of this nonsense. This whole fear of the "militarization" of police is silly. This hardware is only brought out in extreme situations such as this and is necessary.
This is where liberal Rand Paul loses it.
The number of people involved in the violence is very small.They haven`t been heavy handed in my opinion. They basically have let them do what they want and it has cost the town financially.
You can't treat all people with a big stick because of a small percentage of idiots.
The police get paid, and if they don't like it they should find a new job. They shouldn't have half the equipment they're using. Most of them should be discouraged from even carrying guns.Yes, they should just carry flowers and ride bicycles and hand out candy to everyone breaking the law.
They haven`t been heavy handed in my opinion. They basically have let them do what they want and it has cost the town financially.
Besides, they are "protesting" and rioting on a lie and myth. This was a legal shoot. You can`t just beat an officer, grab for his gun, charge him and wonder why you might end up dead. They say they are marching for justice. Well justice was served, they just didn`t like the outcome.
Yes, they should just carry flowers and ride bicycles and hand out candy to everyone breaking the law.
The reasoning behind the protest no matter if it is based on a lie is still a right that those people have.They have the right to assemble legally, not illegally.
Lie or not, that are within their rights as citizens of the USA to protest for anything they choose.
They have the right to assemble legally, not illegally.
And almost everyone there is legally doing so.And arrests have been made accordingly. I think they have done a great job so far. They should arrest a little more in my opinion. Throwing molotov cocktails at police and buildings is no joke, yet the majority are not being arrested for doing so. Same with the looting that occurred. Despite video evidence, nobody is held accountable for it.
There is a handful of jackasses at best.
The part I don't understand, is do these Hebrews like Trayvon supporters want to make assault legal or they just don't want non blacks to be allowed to defend themselves? ???Liberals seem to want to decriminalize assault and have it legal for some reason.
I'm not sure what they're even protesting? Do they really know?
Here is the store that Michael Brown decided to rob. :-\ I feel sorry for the business owner.
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The Washington Post reported Sunday that the store manager is terrified of being murdered by the store’s customers.
A store manager, who declined to give his name, said he fears for his life and pleaded with reporters not to suggest that he called police.
““It’s very dangerous,” he said. “They kill us if they think we are responsible. People don’t understand that.””
Here is the store that Michael Brown decided to rob. :-\ I feel sorry for the business owner.
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Nah, a handful of jackasses is all. They misreported.
Well last night while I was watching CNN and Fox, the police were forcefully moving people and there was, according to reports, no issues and no more than a few dozen people, yet, they decided it wasn't safe.
Didn't seem to be any real danger there. Of course you will say something sarcastic because that's what happens when you don't really have a point to make, but have to have some "last word".
Like I said before, I don't have any preconceived notion about the crime or the actions of the officer.
I do however believe that most people are just out there as a form of solidarity, even if misguided.
Surprisingly this store was untouched by looters
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What the owner is saying is I didn't cause this. He isn't saying it wasn't Brown who robbed him. He's obviously terrified and trying to save his business and life.
And the clothes are identical right down to the socks.
Surprisingly this store was untouched by looters
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Really? Not free stuff? Bless your heart.
Sorry, I had to have the "last word." (Not sure why we're using quotations here, but I'll keep with the program.)
The part I don't understand, is do these Hebrews like Trayvon supporters want to make assault legal or they just don't want non blacks to be allowed to defend themselves? ???
I'm not sure what they're even protesting? Do they really know?
Which is pretty much what you've done the whole time. It's very clear where you stand and if anybody suggests anything that jars with your view you start calling them biased, when in fact you're the one that is biased and making assumptions - you've already got this thing banged to rights and are ready to close the file.
Ergo, I called you a hypocrite.
Moral of the Story: These black areas should be policed by black policemen.
Moral of the Story: These black areas should be policed by black policemen.
a peek into the legal process at work here reveals that Bob McCulloch is the prosecutor assigned to represent Michael Brown and bring charges...or not...his decision on whether or not to indict Wilson.
his father, mother, uncle and cousin are cops and he has never in 20 years issued an indictment for excessive use of force against local cops.
It will be interesting to see what the interaction is with Holder over the next few days.
The police get paid, and if they don't like it they should find a new job. They shouldn't have half the equipment they're using. Most of them should be discouraged from even carrying guns.
Don't get me wrong, the idiots in Ferguson need to be dealt with but the police of 25 years ago had the resources to deal with it.
I think Holder is just there making an appearance. I doubt that he will be putting any pressure on the DA.
I think Holder is just there making an appearance. I doubt that he will be putting any pressure on the DA.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kansas-city-review-posting-fake-michael-brown-pic-facebook-report-article-1.1909021 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kansas-city-review-posting-fake-michael-brown-pic-facebook-report-article-1.1909021)
Kansas City, Mo., cop under review after posting fake 'Michael Brown' picture to Facebook: report
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A Kansas City, Mo., police officer landed in hot water after he allegedly tried to tarnish the reputation of Michael Brown — who was killed by a cop in suburban St. Louis — on his Facebook account.
Officer Marc Catron posted what he apparently thought depicted a compromising photo of the 18-year-old black man who died Aug. 9, local station KCTV reported.
The young man in the photo can be seen pointing a gun at the camera with a wad of cash in his mouth and a bottle of alcohol by his side.
"I'm sure young Michael Brown is innocent and just misunderstood. I'm sure he is a pillar of the Ferguson community," Catron allegedly wrote.
One problem is that Brown wasn't in the photo. The picture actually shows murder suspect Joda Cain, who was accused of killing his great-grandmother in Oregon last year.
Another issue, many critics said, is that Catron's conduct was unbefitting a police officer.
The department might agree. Catron's actions are now under internal review, the CBS affiliate said.
This was not the first time Catron made controversial posts on the social network either. He previously shared a meme of O.J. Simpson in court that read, "Remember how white people rioted after OJ's acquittal? Me neither," according to KCTV.
It appears Catron has taken down his Facebook page after people took offense to the posts.
A spokesperson for the Kansas City Missouri Police Department was not immediately available for comment when contacted by the Daily News.
Surprisingly this store was untouched by looters
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I wonder if they looted Kentucky Fried Chicken ?
Posting pictures like this is no different than posting pictures of Brown as a cherubic pre-teen.
Moral of the Story: These black areas should bepoliced by black policemenfenced off with razor wire and the Good Boys left alone to do their own thing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kansas-city-review-posting-fake-michael-brown-pic-facebook-report-article-1.1909021 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kansas-city-review-posting-fake-michael-brown-pic-facebook-report-article-1.1909021)
Kansas City, Mo., cop under review after posting fake 'Michael Brown' picture to Facebook: report
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A Kansas City, Mo., police officer landed in hot water after he allegedly tried to tarnish the reputation of Michael Brown — who was killed by a cop in suburban St. Louis — on his Facebook account.
Officer Marc Catron posted what he apparently thought depicted a compromising photo of the 18-year-old black man who died Aug. 9, local station KCTV reported.
The young man in the photo can be seen pointing a gun at the camera with a wad of cash in his mouth and a bottle of alcohol by his side.
"I'm sure young Michael Brown is innocent and just misunderstood. I'm sure he is a pillar of the Ferguson community," Catron allegedly wrote.
One problem is that Brown wasn't in the photo. The picture actually shows murder suspect Joda Cain, who was accused of killing his great-grandmother in Oregon last year.
Another issue, many critics said, is that Catron's conduct was unbefitting a police officer.
The department might agree. Catron's actions are now under internal review, the CBS affiliate said.
This was not the first time Catron made controversial posts on the social network either. He previously shared a meme of O.J. Simpson in court that read, "Remember how white people rioted after OJ's acquittal? Me neither," according to KCTV.
It appears Catron has taken down his Facebook page after people took offense to the posts.
A spokesperson for the Kansas City Missouri Police Department was not immediately available for comment when contacted by the Daily News.
That's not even Michael Brown. That's the guy who killed his mother for the insurance money
I'm taking in all information about what's going on.
I have already gone on record as stating I have no idea if the shooting was good or not.
It's very possible that he did commit a crime, but it's also possible he did not.
Remember, this is the same video footage that was presented as him being a criminal, it's just more of it.
You guys can make whatever decisions you like, it doesn't matter to me. I'm just looking at all sides.
I haven't heard any official report about the Officer's orbital bone, but there is still a ton of people saying it was broken.
It may have been, but I read it like everyone else.
All of the information is viable.
Any of you making snap judgments sadden me.
Do you read the posts that you're quoting before quoting them?
Well last night while I was watching CNN and Fox, the police were forcefully moving people and there was, according to reports, no issues and no more than a few dozen people, yet, they decided it wasn't safe.
Didn't seem to be any real danger there. Of course you will say something sarcastic because that's what happens when you don't really have a point to make, but have to have some "last word".
Like I said before, I don't have any preconceived notion about the crime or the actions of the officer.
I do however believe that most people are just out there as a form of solidarity, even if misguided.
Norm Stamper, the former Seattle police chief who was in charge during the protests that rocked that city in 1999, said that the wrong tone was set from the first day in Ferguson.
“The basic perspective that I have over this whole thing, dating back to the shooting incident itself, what we had were largely peaceful vigils and protests that were met with police tactics that were highly aggressive and militaristic,”
he said.
“That response ignited what we have seen all week.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/us/ferguson-missouri-protests.html?_r=0
a peek into the legal process at work here reveals that Bob McCulloch is the prosecutor assigned to represent Michael Brown and bring charges...or not...his decision on whether or not to indict Wilson.His father was a cop who was murdered by a black man also, so there is that.
his father, mother, uncle and cousin are cops and he has never in 20 years issued an indictment for excessive use of force against local cops.
It will be interesting to see what the interaction is with Holder over the next few days.
a peek into the legal process at work here reveals that Bob McCulloch is the prosecutor assigned to represent Michael Brown and bring charges...or not...his decision on whether or not to indict Wilson.
What a crock of shit. This is an example of trying to find any excuse for these criminals.
You are confused. The Grand Jury decides whether to indict, not the prosecutor. He presents a case to the Grand Jury, which then will vote on whether to return a true bill - that is, whether to indict someone.
His father was a cop who was murdered by a black man also, so there is that.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source
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a peek into the legal process at work here reveals that Bob McCulloch is the prosecutor assigned to represent Michael Brown and bring charges...or not...his decision on whether or not to indict Wilson.
his father, mother, uncle and cousin are cops and he has never in 20 years issued an indictment for excessive use of force against local cops.
It will be interesting to see what the interaction is with Holder over the next few days.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”
“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6 foot, 4 inch, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.
Let's no forget. McCulloch was elected by the people.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”
“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6 foot, 4 inch, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.
But CNN was just saying that since 99% of Fergusons Urban Youth were too fucking lazy to bother getting off their welfare claiming asses to vote in his election, the prosecutor is Rassis.
looks like the writer is the new *deep throat* with the local SL PD
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What?!??!
Because someone likes guns that means what???
You're an idiot, truly an idiot. How far did you get in school?
ok good so what is the role of the prosecutor?
thanks for explaining.
So let me get this strait: The Zimmerman/Martin case was far more controversial in my opinion. It involved a non-cop, supposedly defending his life against a young black male.
That did not cause any riots to my knowledge.
Then we have Mr. Michael Brown vs. a cop. Brown looks to clearly commit a robbery, and "supposedly" attacked the cop.
Then Riots ensue.
Ladies and gentlemen, I think this is more of an issue with cop hate, then a racial issue.
You forgot one major difference between the two. Supposed "witnesses"There will not be an honest investigation from this point forward.
So let me get this strait: The Zimmerman/Martin case was far more controversial in my opinion. It involved a non-cop, supposedly defending his life against a young black male.
That did not cause any riots to my knowledge.
Then we have Mr. Michael Brown vs. a cop. Brown looks to clearly commit a robbery, and "supposedly" attacked the cop.
Then Riots ensue.
Ladies and gentlemen, I think this is more of an issue with cop hate, then a racial issue.
And zigzam wasn't a purebred honkyThey sure played it as white vs. black.
First a prosecutor receives a case from the Police. He typically has discretion on whether to proceed: that is, he can choose to do nothing and not attempt to bring charges against the person(s) involved.
If he does decide to bring charges, he prepares and presents his case to the Grand Jury: at a Grand Jury only the Prosecutor is present (the defendant's lawyer is not; he's not even really a defendant yet at this stage) as well as witnesses of his choosing. The Grand Jury is composed of Grand Jurors who listen to the evidence presented by the Prosecutor and his witnesses and decide, based on that evidence, whether the case should be tried or not.
If the Grand Jury returns what is called a "true bill" (which is, in essence, the indictment) then the Prosecutor or someone from his office, will prosecute the case in Court.
His job at that point is to argue, based on the evidence, on behalf of the People (since all criminal cases are "The People vs. X" or "The State of ... vs. X" or "The United States vs. X") that the person being tried did commit the crime he is being accused of. In Court the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is important: it means that the prosecutor has to essentially positively convince the jury (or, if the defendant has waived the right to a trial by jury, the Judge) that the defendant is guilty.
They sure played it as white vs. black.
I think they are playing this as black vs. White cop.
Do you guys remember Rodney King?
I do however remember that controversy not too long ago, where people claimed white cops shot a black man in the back of a police car? Where there riots then?
Is this the frustration bubbling over?
you need to look at the economics to make sense of it
ok so this is not inconsistent with my understanding which is that the jury essentially ratifies a decision already made by the prosecutor.
It's not like they supposed to sit there and filter through a mountain of evidence...correct?
The shoot sounds 100% legal. I've said that from minute one.Its not that difficult.
That being said,
"The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off"
It sounded like 6 bullets fired in rapid succession, one small target area, right arm to the head.
Guns that "go off" usually jam up. Even on the RARE occasion that they were fighting for a gun and somehow, one of their fingers pulled both parts of the glock trigger (what brand/model was cop carrying?)
Even if that happened, gun would jam up. Not "go off" 5 more times lol.
Shoot sounds legal, but gun "going off" during struggle sounds stupid. More like, COP feared for his life and legally fired upon Brown. It's this kind of shotty police work - bullshitting people to make themselves look innocent, even when a lie isn't neccessary - that leads to mistrust.
Shame on FOX news for the "insider", or "source", who stated the gun was just "going off". Doesn't make any sense. If this isn't a police officer telling them, they should clarify that. FOX is now carrying the water for the police dept, selling an accidental discharge narrative. Pathetic. Legal shoot, but that gun didn't go off" 6 times lol.
Which jury? The Grand Jury? No, the Grand Jury is the grou of people decides whether to indict someone. A prosecutor cannot act without the Grand Jury issuing a true bill. If, and only if, they do then that person is indicted, and goes to trial, where a new, indepedent jury is empaneled (unless the defendant chooses to waive his right to a jury trial).
They evaluate whatever evidence the prosecutor decides to present.
Which jury? The Grand Jury? No, the Grand Jury is the grou of people decides whether to indict someone. A prosecutor cannot act without the Grand Jury issuing a true bill. If, and only if, they do then that person is indicted, and goes to trial, where a new, indepedent jury is empaneled (unless the defendant chooses to waive his right to a jury trial).
They evaluate whatever evidence the prosecutor decides to present.
No you don't. Claiming economics causes violence is another attempt to externalize responsibility. People know right from wrong and they choose to do wrong. You are providing them with an excuse. Those in poverty who are committing crimes aren't committing crimes for the benefit of their families, only themselves. They aren't stealing a loaf of bread or gallon of milk to feed their starving children. The government pays for that. They are murdering, robbing and raping purely for personal gratification, as a form of sadistic sport.
this is an inflammatory oversimplification. I understand you have strong feelings about it but you have failed to come to grips with big picture therefore you cannot be taken seriously.
I understand the big picture. You're just providing cover for lawlessness and mediocrity. People such as yourself like to hand wave the situation away with a simple, its economics, and then go about your day. The alternative is to demand people be responsible for their actions and that's a whole lot harder. I doubt you have every lived in a black neighborhood in your life. There's a church on every corner. There is no excuse for the behavior being demonstrated in these communities.What they are doing now is pure extortion. They don`t like the facts that have come out, so they will continue to bully their way to the result they want. A common sign they carry is "No Justice, No Peace".
What they are doing now is pure extortion. They don`t like the facts that have come out, so they will continue to bully their way to the result they want. A common sign they carry is "No Justice, No Peace".
If there ever was a definition for judicial extortion, this is it.
I understand the big picture. You're just providing cover for lawlessness and mediocrity. People such as yourself like to hand wave the situation away with a simple, its economics, and then go about your day. The alternative is to demand people be responsible for their actions and that's a whole lot harder. I doubt you have every lived in a black neighborhood in your life. There's a church on every corner. There is no excuse for the behavior being demonstrated in these communities.
you don't understand much
I will leave it to TrueGrit etc. to tear you another new orifice
thx for your input! 8)
No you don't. Claiming economics causes violence is another attempt to externalize responsibility. People know right from wrong and they choose to do wrong. You are providing them with an excuse. Those in poverty who are committing crimes aren't committing crimes for the benefit of their families, only themselves. They aren't stealing a loaf of bread or gallon of milk to feed their starving children. The government pays for that. They are murdering, robbing and raping purely for personal gratification, as a form of sadistic sport.
I swear this guy is good. Sorry to be all over your nuts Archer (NoHomo) but it's nice to hear an educated mind clarify things to morons. The sad thing is nothing will change their minds. I don't know what their definition of justice is but it surely isn't true justice. The sad thing is a man who might or might not be completely justified in the shooting has a family and a life. They don't give a fuck. Like I said in previous post if it came out he was this KKK grand wizard sharpton and crump want him to be then fuck his family he deserves what is coming but what happens if he was justified? They don't care. He was guilty the moment he was born white.
Helluva good vid..Lol!!!!!!
Word is that the cop was recently divorced and that his wife had left him for a black man that lived near the area where he confronted the teen .... also that the cop's mom was a con man and a habitual liar and hustler who defrauded many seniors in that town of their life saving as well as being involved in credit card and I.d. fraud and that some how the apple don't fall far from the tree....A son should'nt be judged by his parent's crimes yet if this is true concerning the divorce and his ex then it just may tell something about the cop pschye at the time he decided to confront the youth about jaywalking?
Word is that the cop was recently divorced and that his wife had left him for a black man that lived near the area where he confronted the teen ....
I said it before and I'll say it again... I'd probably take Mike Brown's side; IF he had not have robbed a store that night.
But he did. That's a difficult fact to try to forget about.
Couple that with the fact that officer Wilson was treated for injuries after the "tussle" (word used by a black witness) w/Brown at the police car.
The court of public opinion = Brown got what his actions deserved.
Word is that you are a moron...
Word is that the cop was recently divorced and that his wife had left him for a black man that lived near the area where he confronted the teen .... also that the cop's mom was a con man and a habitual liar and hustler who defrauded many seniors in that town of their life saving as well as being involved in credit card and I.d. fraud and that some how the apple don't fall far from the tree....A son should'nt be judged by his parent's crimes yet if this is true concerning the divorce and his ex then it just may tell something about the cop pschye at the time he decided to confront the youth about jaywalking?
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"Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.
Darren Wilson’s mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.
At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.
Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them."
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"Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.
Darren Wilson’s mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.
At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.
Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them."
The teen robbed a store that night and later assaulted a police officer.
Definitely wouldn't want his thuggish ass living in my neighborhood yet that also includes many white teens who are just as low-life and opportunist .. Yet having a close ties to law enforcement myself I know how reports are falsified , reports re-written by superiors and evidence planted to cover ones self .. Many are disillusioned if they think that police officers are beyond any wrongful acts.. Take a minute and search out how many cops have murdered their spouses ... the numbers are astronomical yet it's those that still doubt a cop is in capable of murdering a suspect without probable cause or justification ??? As usual getbig's residential racists are out in force and making it a race issue as usual yet it can be seen more a case of excessive force and nothing more considering the guy was shot 6 times from that distance .... Then again most you fu#kers are bigots and weirdos so why waste my time ::)
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At least I understand some things. You don't understand anything. You just regurgitate the same pat answers as every other person who doesn't want to take the time to think for themselves.
you seem like a nice earnest guy which i appreciate. Unfortunately you are severely misguided.
getbiggers will not allow the truth to be brutalized with such wanton disregard
Definitely wouldn't want his thuggish ass living in my neighborhood yet that also includes many white teens who are just as low-life and opportunist .. Yet having a close ties to law enforcement myself I know how reports are falsified , reports re-written by superiors and evidence planted to cover ones self .. Many are disillusioned if they think that police officers are beyond any wrongful acts.. Take a minute and search out how many cops have murdered their spouses ... the numbers are astronomical yet it's those that still doubt a cop is in capable of murdering a suspect without probable cause or justification ??? As usual getbig's residential racists are out in force and making it a race issue as usual yet it can be seen more a case of excessive force and nothing more considering the guy was shot 6 times from that distance .... Then again most you fu#kers are bigots and weirdos so why waste my time ::)
Definitely wouldn't want his thuggish ass living in my neighborhood yet that also includes many white teens who are just as low-life and opportunist .. Yet having a close ties to law enforcement myself I know how reports are falsified , reports re-written by superiors and evidence planted to cover ones self .. Many are disillusioned if they think that police officers are beyond any wrongful acts.. Take a minute and search out how many cops have murdered their spouses ... the numbers are astronomical yet it's those that still doubt a cop is in capable of murdering a suspect without probable cause or justification ??? As usual getbig's residential racists are out in force and making it a race issue as usual yet it can be seen more a case of excessive force and nothing more considering the guy was shot 6 times from that distance .... Then again most you fu#kers are bigots and weirdos so why waste my time ::)
video going on right now on CNN fat cop threatening to kill media , Sheriff officer had to pull his fat ass aside and tell him to drop his ar15
You make excuses for barbaric behavior. Your excuse making has only made the problems in these communities worse by treating them like children who aren't responsible for their actions.
Officer who pointed gun at protesters suspended
Source: Associated Press
Officer who pointed gun at protesters suspended
| August 20, 2014 | Updated: August 20, 2014 6:06pm
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — A police officer who was part of the effort to keep peace during protests in Ferguson has been suspended for pointing a semi-automatic assault rifle at demonstrators, then cursing and threatening to kill one of them, police said Wednesday.
A protester captured the exchange on video that has been posted to YouTube and several websites. It happened Tuesday night during the latest of several protests that have followed the Aug. 9 shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown by a Ferguson police officer.
On the video, a man is heard saying, "Oh my God! Gun raised!" as the officer approaches. The identity of the man who shot the video is not known.
"My hands are up, bro! My hands are up!" the man said.
The officer walks near the man with his gun pointed and appears to say, "I will (expletive) kill you."
You know....its never a great idea to taunt an officer pointing an AR-15 at you. You never know when someone will reach the breaking point and just say.....fuck it all.
you sir are a freedom hater
Officer who pointed gun at protesters suspended
Source: Associated Press
Officer who pointed gun at protesters suspended
| August 20, 2014 | Updated: August 20, 2014 6:06pm
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — A police officer who was part of the effort to keep peace during protests in Ferguson has been suspended for pointing a semi-automatic assault rifle at demonstrators, then cursing and threatening to kill one of them, police said Wednesday.
A protester captured the exchange on video that has been posted to YouTube and several websites. It happened Tuesday night during the latest of several protests that have followed the Aug. 9 shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown by a Ferguson police officer.
On the video, a man is heard saying, "Oh my God! Gun raised!" as the officer approaches. The identity of the man who shot the video is not known.
"My hands are up, bro! My hands are up!" the man said.
The officer walks near the man with his gun pointed and appears to say, "I will (expletive) kill you."
Serves the coward pig right. If you can't do your worthless job correctly, stay the fuck home.
He wouldn't have the balls to say "boo" to anyone without being armed. Enjoy your stay in the pen, pig....
without the cell phone footage of him doing it, NOBODY would believe the person being threatened. nobody would believe ten witnesses. they'd take the word of the cop.
Seriously, people tolerate WAY TOO MUCH bullying from police. film it, accuse them, and push it. If they want ability to carry gun and have ability to tell others what to do, they should be held to higher standard.
Helluva good vid..
Now think what it would be like if states continued to implement laws that police officers can't be filmed. The video would have been suppressed and the person filming fined or jailed.
Perfect. The terrible thing is no one will listen to him. He is a sellout, an Uncle Tom, he don't keep it real.
locally, cops HATE it. "Is that marijuana I smell on you?" is used to chase people away.
SW FL caught national attention when a drunk kid in a parked car ended up with leg broken and other serious injuries. Kids were filiming it. they were threatened with catching a weed charge, they were threatened with impeding a police investigation (even tho they were standing exactly where another cop told them to stand).
IMO, the smartest thing a person can do is to have EVERYONE there begin filming. If it's one kid with a camera, the police can bully him. Once you have 3+ people filming, any attempt to threaten/take camera will be filmed and sent by one of the people present. Remember BART shooting - kid on the ground in cuffs, not moving, was shot by cops... and cops started grabbing phones. The grabbing of the phones was as big a story as the shooting itself - illegally taking property in an attempt to cover up (and high volume of cameras made that impossible).
IMO, if a cop is doing ZERO wrong, then he should actually LIKE the camera - because it will mean he never catches a bullshit charge or complaint. Some folks will make false charges against cops - it's gotta be great for a cop to be CLEARED by a camera.
Perfect. The terrible thing is no one will listen to him. He is a sellout, an Uncle Tom, he don't keep it real. Until voices like this are heard and applauded, blacks will continue this mediocre existence of no jobs, no families, no education, etc.......
Smh
I just don't get it.
without the cell phone footage of him doing it, NOBODY would believe the person being threatened. nobody would believe ten witnesses. they'd take the word of the cop.
Seriously, people tolerate WAY TOO MUCH bullying from police. film it, accuse them, and push it. If they want ability to carry gun and have ability to tell others what to do, they should be held to higher standard.
You know....its never a great idea to taunt an officer pointing an AR-15 at you. You never know when someone will reach the breaking point and just say.....fuck it all.
without the cell phone footage of him doing it, NOBODY would believe the person being threatened. nobody would believe ten witnesses. they'd take the word of the cop.
Seriously, people tolerate WAY TOO MUCH bullying from police. film it, accuse them, and push it. If they want ability to carry gun and have ability to tell others what to do, they should be held to higher standard.
Huh?... it's our duty to taunt assholes like this and to resist big government. The US government is tyranny, it's more blatant than ever. Cops and soldiers are nothing more than useful idiots. I hope one of these useful idiots does reach their breaking point and start shooting, it's might get more people off their asses. American Revolution 2 is way overdo.
TPTB/ MSM love turning us one against the other... civilians vs cops, black vs. white, christian vs. muslim, vs. jews, Americans vs Russians, etc... etc... Those who do not realize this are asleep at the wheel.
Advocating personal responsibility is key to maintaining freedom.
chickens are coming home to roost - change is coming
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Agree..
the fuck? ???
Eric Holder says he understands mistrust of police
http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/20/eric-holder-ferguson-mistrust/14369895/
Crazy statement from the guy most responsible for enforcing laws huh?
Isn't "keeping it real" (aka telling the real truth) exactly what he is doing?
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Yeah, just out of this world unbelievable... :o
minor update
I would give the leaks about wilson's story more weight if they weren't coming from the blog's and junior entertainment writers simply repeating anonymous hearsay but for fun we can look at them anyway.
I noticed something curious - let me know if I misunderstood
There is a significant deviation between the two accounts of Darren Wilson's story....one from the "friend/wife" and one from the "police insider" ...the story's don't jive with each other...hmmmm
I said it before and I'll say it again... I'd probably take Mike Brown's side; IF he had not have robbed a store that night.
But he did. That's a difficult fact to try to forget about.
Couple that with the fact that officer Wilson was treated for injuries after the "tussle" (word used by a black witness) w/Brown at the police car.
The court of public opinion = Brown got what his actions deserved.
You're right that cops need to be recorded every time they interact with people. Cops will say they don't care, but it's just another one of their many lies. I agree with you that they hate it. Tough shit for them. Hopefully the pig that threatened a group of taxpayers will be removed from his worthless job real soon....
Still waiting Nails, how is the black community doing? Don't go by how you feel because we already know how you feel by your ignorance you used by showing pic at top? Use the metrics that measure quality of life. Go on tell me how is it. Now remember keep it real because I'll bring facts to the discussion while you bring assumptions and ignorance. Don't look stupid now, tell us how is it really?
Huh?... it's our duty to taunt assholes like this and to resist big government. The US government is tyranny, it's more blatant than ever. Cops and soldiers are nothing more than useful idiots. I hope one of these useful idiots does reach their breaking point and start shooting, it's might get more people off their asses. American Revolution 2 is way overdo.::)
TPTB/ MSM love turning us one against the other... civilians vs cops, black vs. white, christian vs. muslim, vs. jews, Americans vs Russians, etc... etc... Those who do not realize this are asleep at the wheel.
without the cell phone footage of him doing it, NOBODY would believe the person being threatened. nobody would believe ten witnesses. they'd take the word of the cop.Its not that they would doubt the witnesses and automatically take the word of the cop, it would be because there was no proof. Why would anyone expect to just take a few peoples word over what happened?
Seriously, people tolerate WAY TOO MUCH bullying from police. film it, accuse them, and push it. If they want ability to carry gun and have ability to tell others what to do, they should be held to higher standard.
somebody needs to help me out with the story
his "friend/wife" says wilson was responding to the robbery
the "police insider" says wilson was responding to them jaywalking
what is the final version of this story?
How can a "highly placed source" claim to know "dozens of witnesses" corroborate wilson's story when it doesn't match up with his own wife's testimony? :o???
I'll leave it up to you guys to figure that one out.
How can a "highly placed source" claim to know "dozens of witnesses" corroborate wilson's story when it doesn't match up with his own wife's testimony? :o
I'll leave it up to you guys to figure that one out.
How can a "highly placed source" claim to know "dozens of witnesses" corroborate wilson's story when it doesn't match up with his own wife's testimony? :oYou have confused yourself. It was stated that he got a call on the radio of suspect's description of a strong arm robbery. This was apparently after the jaywalking incident. I believe the dispatch was posted here a few pages back.
I'll leave it up to you guys to figure that one out.
It's really not up to "us" to figure it out. We can speculate, we can opine, we can guess, we can even change the title of this thread from discuss the facts and truth to something more fitting, but I'll wait until the investigation(s) are done before concluding anything
You have confused yourself. It was stated that he got a call on the radio of suspect's description of a strong arm robbery. This was apparently after the jaywalking incident. I believe the dispatch was posted here a few pages back.
You have confused yourself. It was stated that he got a call on the radio of suspect's description of a strong arm robbery. This was apparently after the jaywalking incident. I believe the dispatch was posted here a few pages back.
here's is what fox (Hollie McKay) is reporting:Are you saying the Officer was not on the receiving end of a beating, (including a struggle for his gun) which would authorize the use of lethal force? ???
According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said.
“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."
LOL, you think i give a shit about people in that city i don't even live in ??? I could give a fuck either way, but keep getting your panties up in arms over it.
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So you don't give a fuck about a culture dying everyday across America, a culture that could offer so much with the right leadership? Well if you don't give a fuck then stop perpetuating the ignorance you put forth, through funny little skits suggesting a black man cant walk down the street or that a different mentality other than democratic must mean me or anyone that doesn't think like you are inbred redneck bigots from Alabama. Don't you get that its that ignorance that is killing the black culture? Maybe this is to deep for you or maybe you don't want to get your hands dirty or maybe just because this is a bodybuilding forum this isnt the place.
When is the place?
For Gods sake when is someone going to give a fuck and lead the black culture out of the ignorance and away from the leadership that has led them astray for nearly 1/2 a century.
Thats what a forum is for an open discussion and you obviously feel a certain way by claiming I am a inbred hillbilly for thinking a different way. I'm wrong all the time Nails but I am willing to admit that and listen and learn I just wish someone could show me why this brainwashing continues why this mentality is the norm. I mean the mentality that from the get go of this the officer was wrong. That no matter what the officer was wrong that young black man can't walk down a street without being a victim, that this gentle giant had his "Hands up, Don't shoot" ? How is this thought process so thick and so engrained even with the results it has given.
I'm not offended about hillbilly reference and I'm not trying to offend you but damn if you don't give a fuck then who does or who will. It's just sad that a culture that can offer so much is so brainwashed and they are dying everyday. When is enough enough? Its heartbreaking.
Are you saying the Officer was not on the receiving end of a beating, (including a struggle for his gun) which would authorize the use of lethal force? ???
what we have is a situation where both sources claim the Officer was beaten but under radically different circumstances.
How does that matter? He was assaulted and felt it was likely he would be assaulted again.
It's a concern because they cannot both be true simultaneously.
They are both consistent in saying he was assaulted and injuries suffered by the officer back that up. Why be particular about variations now. Didn't you believe without question the conflicting witnesses who said among other things that brown was shot exclusively in the back?
the forensic expert said there's a shot on the arm that could be from the rear...not me...you don't run with palms forward like an anatomical diagram...anyway
So we can come to one of several conclusions about the sources but we do know one thing:
One of the reports is conveying a falsehood about a central aspect of the story.
How can a "highly placed source" claim to know "dozens of witnesses" corroborate wilson's story when it doesn't match up with his own wife's testimony? :o
I'll leave it up to you guys to figure that one out.
The witnesses said he was gunned down from the back. The report said, "could be a shot from the rear" but considering the rest of the grouping shots is from the front its likely the shot also came from the front.
How do you know the reports are conveying falsehoods? Aren't you jumping to that conclusion? If the witnesses contradict the evidence and each other you have to at least suspect the witnesses statements aren't accurate. Why do you immediately assume the reports are wrong and there is a conspiracy afoot?
I believe the answer is one that's all too common - The cop is lying. He's not making up the entire scenario, but changing the facts to suit his needs. Even his own lackeys can't keep the mistruths straight.....
I believe the answer is one that's all too common - The cop is lying. He's not making up the entire scenario, but changing the facts to suit his needs. Even his own lackeys can't keep the mistruths straight.....
Star Witness In Michael Brown Shooting Charged With Theft, Filing False Police Report
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http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/170048-star-witness-michael-brown-shooting-charged-theft-filing-false-police-report/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/170048-star-witness-michael-brown-shooting-charged-theft-filing-false-police-report/)
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Why? He's saying he understands their mistrust based on treatment he himself (as a black man) has experienced. What's wrong with saying that?
LOL!! TLDNR, DGAS
Good to see that they're actually going after this guy, I thought for sure they were going to let him skate on various things just to appease the rioters, etc....
Star Witness In Michael Brown Shooting Charged With Theft, Filing False Police Report
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Perfect. The terrible thing is no one will listen to him. He is a sellout, an Uncle Tom, he don't keep it real. Until voices like this are heard and applauded, blacks will continue this mediocre existence of no jobs, no families, no education, etc.......
Smh
I just don't get it.
I'm surprised as well. It's rare. We have a ridiculous policy here that no matter what claims a person makes against an officer, even when proved they are lying by video, we let them walk. The thinking is, that if we hold people accountable when they give false reports about a police officer, it will keep people from reporting officers. I personally think it's bull crap. Too often I've seen officers put through the ringer by some joker who makes crap up and when the video, not the officers word but the video vindicates the officer, the jerk who lied had no consequences. Happens more often than naught.
You can literally go to the police monitor or IA , make a complaint that a particular officer raped your girlfriend on the way to jail, report it to the press, get the local activist to rally your cause and when the video is released showing it never happend, just say "nevermind" and you get a free pass.
I'm surprised as well. It's rare. We have a ridiculous policy here that no matter what claims a person makes against an officer, even when proved they are lying by video, we let them walk. The thinking is, that if we hold people accountable when they give false reports about a police officer, it will keep people from reporting officers. I personally think it's bull crap. Too often I've seen officers put through the ringer by some joker who makes crap up and when the video, not the officers word but the video vindicates the officer, the jerk who lied had no consequences. Happens more often than naught.
You can literally go to the police monitor or IA , make a complaint that a particular officer raped your girlfriend on the way to jail, report it to the press, get the local activist to rally your cause and when the video is released showing it never happend, just say "nevermind" and you get a free pass.
I don't like how the media on all levels puts up sensationalism over the responsibility to "report".
How many people are put through the ringer so to speak where the initial reports are front page news, then later on, if they are found not guilty of whatever it is that they are being accused of, there is no news to be found, or if it is mentioned, it is on some back page somewhere and no one sees it.
Reputations are shattered and no one is held responsible for that destroyed reputation.
I do not blame the police for that, but the media outlets for being shills for whatever sensationalism they can press.
but they LIED about these little details. What's up with that?
but the cops lied about details. WHY? ???
Because cops are not on average people of high integrity. They are AVERAGE AT BEST. They are like army soldiers. Many high school drop outs among them. Many psychopaths among them. Liars gonna lie.
Suck a cock gimmick....
LOL touched a NERVE :-*
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see, this is what pisses me off...
the police fired and killed a man with a knife who was posing a threat in St Louis.
LEGAL SHOOT. Okay, it happens.
THEN, 90 minutes after the shooting, the police chief gives a press conference. Details include "knife in overhand grip" and "3-4 feet from our officers when they fired". Well, the knife was by his side and he was ten feet away. There's cell phone video showing it.
The shoot was legal - but they LIED about these little details. What's up with that?
Same way they fudged the story about why man was stopped initially. The shoots both looked LEGAL, but the cops lied about details. WHY? ???
Details can change when information goes up or down the chain. Have you ever played the game asa kid where you sit in a row and hear how the words spoken at the beginning of the chain changes from the first person to the last?
Details can change when information goes up or down the chain. Have you ever played the game asa kid where you sit in a row and hear how the words spoken at the beginning of the chain changes from the first person to the last?
Superb interview, you may not agree with the guy but he does make some good points, even the newscaster seems impressed.
When children play "telephone" they get a laugh at how bad they screwed up the original information. It's a game. A stupid one, but a game nonetheless.
When cops scramble the facts...or in most cases, outright lie, people are affected.....greatly. A cop's "recollection" of facts may make the difference of money or freedom to those affected.
You can bet the times that a dirty cop is the one being prosecuted, that telephone game isn't played...
Disagree. Policeman who just fired the weapon sits down. He is asked 100 questions by several people. The answers are recorded and written down. They are put into a report.This is a perfect example of the lack of knowledge that goes on after a police involved shooting. Protocol is likely different depending on state and contracts but the initial questions are limited to Public Safety execptions to the Miranda and are basically about 5 questions. How many officers/subjects were involved? Did you fire your weapon? Are all weapons accounted for? And that's it. There aren't 100 questions. The following is a cut a paste of general protocol on questioning an officer from Police Chiefs magazine;
The police spokesman is asked questions. Either he knows the answers from the report, or he tells reporter that info will be released.
THis whole "Oh, the spokesman didn't know, so he just kinda guessed on an answer" is HIGHLY irresponsible. We're talking about the public trust here. Some detail as SIMPLE and IMPORTANT as the position of the knife - and how many feet from the police officer - How in the fck can he get those details wrong?
Particularly when the police HAD THIS CELL VIDEO! They had it! Media got it FROM THE COPS! The policeman said overhand knife, 3-4 feet from officers. And it was 10+ feet, knife to side. He clearly exaggerated the shit out of those points - TO MAKE THE MAN LOOK MORE THREATNING and to make his danger look immanent.
Yes, legal shoot, but it was less than 30 seconds from arrival to shooting/handcuffing dead guy. There aren't that many details to fck up, and they managed to mess up distance AND the knife.
Sorry, but I can't blame the telephone game for this. There are MAYBE 5 details about that shooting, and the cop got 2 of them wrong - 2 of them which benefitted the police for public opinion. how convenient. Dude, stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. They's stretching the truth in a big way here, and people need to stop just dismissing it as incompetence. The police are smart. They know how to manipulate info to win public opinion.
Simple details. If spokesman doesn't know # of feet or knife position - in a prepared, written statement - something is seriously wrong ;)
Seems to be a contradiction here. Mistake, or did you mean to say this?
Maybe I'm missing something?
see, this is what pisses me off...
the police fired and killed a man with a knife who was posing a threat in St Louis.
LEGAL SHOOT. Okay, it happens.
THEN, 90 minutes after the shooting, the police chief gives a press conference. Details include "knife in overhand grip" and "3-4 feet from our officers when they fired". Well, the knife was by his side and he was ten feet away. There's cell phone video showing it.
The shoot was legal - but they LIED about these little details. What's up with that?
Same way they fudged the story about why man was stopped initially. The shoots both looked LEGAL, but the cops lied about details. WHY? ???
I think it says what I was trying to say. We allow people to make false claims without consequences so we don't discourage people who have legitimate claims from reporting them.
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I wonder how many other businesses that Michael Brown stole from?? Usually, stealing becomes a chronic, compulsive, habitual crime.
I'm wondering how long until his juvenile record gets released.
wont be long. we will never see the cop's bloodwork, though.
This is a perfect example of the lack of knowledge that goes on after a police involved shooting. Protocol is likely different depending on state and contracts but the initial questions are limited to Public Safety execptions to the Miranda and are basically about 5 questions. How many officers/subjects were involved? Did you fire your weapon? Are all weapons accounted for? And that's it. There aren't 100 questions. The following is a cut a paste of general protocol on questioning an officer from Police Chiefs magazine;
Officer Statements
Statements may be voluntarily given by the involved officer shortly after the incident or may be delayed on the advice of counsel. In those incidents in which officers do not voluntarily offer statements, they may be ordered by the department to give a statement. A compelled statement cannot be used in criminal proceedings, but may be used for internal review. It is important that the agency have ban agreed-upon policy with the union pertaining to the release of statements to avoid media and citizen scrutiny. This policy should require that the officer be subject to an interview within 72 hours of the shooting. This provides ample time for securing representation, sleep, rest, and reflection by the officer. The officer still retains the right to not provide a statement if the investigation focuses on potential criminal conduct.
Every effort should be made to conduct only one interview of the officer. It is important for the investigators to be fully prepared prior to conducting the interview. Providing one detailed statement to the agency’s shooting investigative team and the agency’s internal affairs division will avoid putting the officer through two questioning sessions. This will also eliminate the opportunity for a defense attorney to try to discredit the officer by finding slightly different answers to the same question asked in two different interviews.
Remember that under stress, officers may remember certain aspects of the incident and may not remember others. In general, the officers who returned to the environment can remember from about 50 percent to 70 percent of the significant details of the experience, while those trying to remember in a different place can recall only about 30 percent to 50 percent of the specifics.1 As a result, a physical walk-through at the incident scene might assist officers in their recollections prior to or during the interview.
How can agency leadership expect law enforcement personnel involved in one of the most critical incidents in their lives, who are operating under stress and fear, to remember what just happened in a rapidly evolving event? This is not a realistic expectation. What also must be realized is that civilian eyewitness testimony may be based on beliefs and values and may not be a fair replication of the actual facts. It is imperative to combine forensics with acquired recollections of involved and noninvolved individuals who are present at a critical incident.
Gee....I wonder if arrested "civilians" are given the same courtesy and thoughtful protocol as a cop who shoots and kills a person.
Don't bother to answer....I'll just wait for the latest edition of Police Chief magazine to arrive and look it up for myself......
Yes, countless criminals that shoot, stab, cut, burn, mutilate people out of their own efforts can opt to say nothing and be uncooperative. Not sure how your paragraphs support whats fair and not fair...
Deacon probably dropped out before he learned about the fifth amendment in 9th grade. :-\
According to bigmc, threads like this are trash, because they are not original.
He thinks because you get info from other places, that you do not have a mind of your own.
I almost forgot to subscribe to bigmc's "Legoland" thread. It has me on pins and needles.
My man.Not at all my friend. I was just pointing out his brutal hypocrisy. Most of Getbig's great debate or info threads obviously wouldn't exist without outside sources.
Gee....I wonder if arrested "civilians" are given the same courtesy and thoughtful protocol as a cop who shoots and kills a person.
Don't bother to answer....I'll just wait for the latest edition of Police Chief magazine to arrive and look it up for myself......
According to multiple witnesses he shot a man in the back who was running away then walked up on him and killed him after he surrendered with hands up.Bullshit. You cant assume a cop is a cold blooded killer without 100% evidence.
Autopsy data confirms this narrative.
For unknown reasons, police have not released any information to disprove this.
Darren Wilson should charged with murder and arrested immediately.
Bullshit. You cant assume a cop is a cold blooded killer without 100% evidence.
Actually you can. Having proof would prevent it being an assumption ;)Well if proof comes out, then I say hang the fucker.
According to multiple witnesses he shot a man in the back who was running away then walked up on him and killed him after he surrendered with hands up.
Autopsy data confirms this narrative.
For unknown reasons, police have not released any information to disprove this.
Darren Wilson should charged with murder and arrested immediately.
;D LOL! Excellent. Pig shoots civilian, pig gets paid time off work. Civilian shoots pig or other civilian, civilian goes directly to jail. The end.
It's bad practice to judge anything without full information.
As pointed out earlier by those who read police chief magazine 8)
However the chief of police in St.Louis has judged it appropriate to release information publicly
We have the video and pics of the robbery - and a partial narrative
Therefore in this case it would be contrary to the wishes of law enforcement to withhold judgement!
Huh?
"Somehow", it leaked that there was weed in Brown's system. So he smoked pot at some point in the last 40 days.
However, oddly, there was no leak telling us what was in the cop's bloodstream. We don't even know if he was tested.
Similarly, remember when they found pot in trayvon martin's blood... but they never bothered to test the shooter, zimmerman, not even for alcohol. We're talking about a guy that chased a kid two blocks with a 9mm, had it out, shot him... we're talking about a dude that had state ordered alcohol-counseling after getting wasted and shoving a cop... a dude like that, coming home form target, on a lazy sunday afternoon... in florida... lol... you're telling me there's no chance the dude didn't have a couple of beers in him? At least test his ass.
They test the blood of the dead person but not the blood of the one doing the shooting. Weird.
Except for DUIs, police cannot test suspects for drugs or alcohol, unless the accused demands or consents to it, or they get a warrant. Trayvon Martin was tested for drugs and alcohol because it is the normal procedure of autopsies to determine the exact cause of death or contributing factors of death, the Washington Times said. The so-called law enforcement and legal experts who claim Zimmerman should have been tested demonstrate they have no expertise.
1. It wasn't "somehow", part of an autopsy is to test blood samples for drugs. Those results are released when the autopsy results come out.
2. Why should the cop be tested? Because he was assaulted by two black youths? Should all victims of assault be tested for drugs to determine if they were to blame for being assaulted?
3. Zimmerman was not tested for dugs or alcohol because it isn't standard procedure to do so without a warrant
The Gentle Giant was doing jumping jacks when the cop executed him.
Fact.
It doesn't make sense to me. If I am working at walmart and I slip and fall, they do a pee test. yet I can shoot someone at my job and they don't test? Particularly in a high stress job where one can confiscate drugs and have a lot of access to people and resources that most do not?
Fairness is all I ask for - if two people are in a life/death struggle, test BOTH their blood. It'll come out in court, for the DA, whatever... it'd just be nice to know if zimmerman was drunk or the cop had cocaine in his blood.
I understand your point, but the cop did NOT initiate the encounter with Michael Brown. He was put in a situation where he was forced to react. The only person responsible for Michael Brown's death is Michael Brown. I have never been shot at by the police because I have never assaulted a cop.
the shoot was legal. BUT the first bullet may have come when the cop was done getting his ass whooped and brown was running away. Then, brown attacked again (at that point, the only move to a man sending parting shots lol).
I have no problem with the cop firing at a fleeing man who kicked his ass, I may do the same thing, any of us might.
If the cop is hopped up on 75 mg ephedrine + some unprescriped adderall + two no-doz pills, maybe that plays a part in his decision making, in sending bullets toward a dude who just kicked the shit out of him.
Again, the shoot was legal, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying, if they need to decide to charge the cop or not - it'd be nice to know his blood was clean that day. I'm not saying he was high, i'm saying little factors like that can really affect decision making. would be nice to rule that out. IMO, ANY person in society that uses a weapon should be tested, as well as the person involved in that fight.
the shoot was legal. BUT the first bullet may have come when the cop was done getting his ass whooped and brown was running away. Then, brown attacked again (at that point, the only move to a man sending parting shots lol).
I have no problem with the cop firing at a fleeing man who kicked his ass, I may do the same thing, any of us might.
If the cop is hopped up on 75 mg ephedrine + some unprescriped adderall + two no-doz pills, maybe that plays a part in his decision making, in sending bullets toward a dude who just kicked the shit out of him.
Again, the shoot was legal, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying, if they need to decide to charge the cop or not - it'd be nice to know his blood was clean that day. I'm not saying he was high, i'm saying little factors like that can really affect decision making. would be nice to rule that out. IMO, ANY person in society that uses a weapon should be tested, as well as the person involved in that fight.
And what happens when there is a legal shoot but the shooter (cop or civilian) DOES have something in their system? When it gets to court a lawyer will use that to sway a jury to convict someone that maybe should not be convicted. If someone breaks into your home at 3 AM and you pop him, but you smoked a joint one week before and THC is still in your system, was the shoot legal or not? Will you get screwed in court over it?
Bullshit. You cant assume a cop is a cold blooded killer without 100% evidence.
the last time you tried to correct me... remember what happened??
The autopsy doesn't confirm your narrative at all. Quite the opposite, actually. You just want to believe it.
"Somehow", it leaked that there was weed in Brown's system. So he smoked pot at some point in the last 40 days.
However, oddly, there was no leak telling us what was in the cop's bloodstream. We don't even know if he was tested.
Similarly, remember when they found pot in trayvon martin's blood... but they never bothered to test the shooter, zimmerman, not even for alcohol. We're talking about a guy that chased a kid two blocks with a 9mm, had it out, shot him... we're talking about a dude that had state ordered alcohol-counseling after getting wasted and shoving a cop... a dude like that, coming home form target, on a lazy sunday afternoon... in florida... lol... you're telling me there's no chance the dude didn't have a couple of beers in him? At least test his ass.
They test the blood of the dead person but not the blood of the one doing the shooting. Weird.
What happened? :o
The autopsy doesn't confirm your narrative at all. Quite the opposite, actually. You just want to believe it.
Where do they come up with this shit?
Just seems odd, testing the cop. I've never heard of such a thing.
I've answered this repeatedly but you don't bother to answer.
Disagree. Policeman who just fired the weapon sits down. He is asked 100 questions by several people. The answers are recorded and written down. They are put into a report.
The police spokesman is asked questions. Either he knows the answers from the report, or he tells reporter that info will be released.
THis whole "Oh, the spokesman didn't know, so he just kinda guessed on an answer" is HIGHLY irresponsible. We're talking about the public trust here. Some detail as SIMPLE and IMPORTANT as the position of the knife - and how many feet from the police officer - How in the fck can he get those details wrong?
Particularly when the police HAD THIS CELL VIDEO! They had it! Media got it FROM THE COPS! The policeman said overhand knife, 3-4 feet from officers. And it was 10+ feet, knife to side. He clearly exaggerated the shit out of those points - TO MAKE THE MAN LOOK MORE THREATNING and to make his danger look immanent.
Yes, legal shoot, but it was less than 30 seconds from arrival to shooting/handcuffing dead guy. There aren't that many details to fck up, and they managed to mess up distance AND the knife.
Sorry, but I can't blame the telephone game for this. There are MAYBE 5 details about that shooting, and the cop got 2 of them wrong - 2 of them which benefitted the police for public opinion. how convenient. Dude, stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. They's stretching the truth in a big way here, and people need to stop just dismissing it as incompetence. The police are smart. They know how to manipulate info to win public opinion.
Simple details. If spokesman doesn't know # of feet or knife position - in a prepared, written statement - something is seriously wrong ;)
What's the point, really? Dude ain't listening to reason. I don't enjoy participating in such fruitless debates, unless to snipe now and again. Plus, you were doing fine by yourself.
I'm trying to figure out if he is for real or just stirring the pot.
what makes you think I'm joking?
it makes sense tho, doesn't it? I got hurt working at walmart in college, they made me pee immediately. in case I was high at work lol, so they could boot me if I got hurt while drunk.
But if I'm living on cocaine to work 60 hours a week in a high stress job like police work, and I can kill people at work lol... they don't test me?
To me, that seems weird. should be automatic, every time.
40 pages? Has a single person from either opinion been swayed to join the other sides opinion yet?
40 pages? Has a single person from either opinion been swayed to join the other sides opinion yet?
No.
Does the President Of The United States take pee tests?
Does a Supreme Court judge?
Does Tony Blair take them?
No.
Does my friend the High School janitor take them?
Yup.
You have some valid points. I will take them into consideration.
murder is murder it is what it is.
I used to think it was a big deal now it's like
meh...yep that guys a murderer
I get so emotional about shit like this lol :)You can't be impartial, bow out.
Since that rude ass cop threatened me with seat belt ticket... disgusting... she was fine with planting a bullshit charge on me, just to shut me up. I really hate her lol, I'm just coming to terms with it.
you are correct. I had to pee to bag groceries at winn-dixie. I didn't have to take one to be a teacher.
isn't that weird? We don't trust people to use drugs and bag the bleach with the corn flakes, but to be a cop or POTUS or a teacher, nah, you're cool.
My only guess is that the people making this choice realize they'll lose support with a vocal minority of these groups that like to smoke pot? I dunno why.
Seems absurd that all of us don't demand weekly pee tests from our congressmen. Might have stopped my own Rep Radel from buying/using cocaine?
Murder is very different from killing. Murder is very specific and indicates an unlawful act. Kill is a much broader act.
this is the shot from the rear
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Could have come from the rear. You're making a difinitive statement that it came from the back. It's clear it's part of a grouping of shots that came from the front
There is a scenario put forth by 5 eyewitnesses that this fits perfectly.
how do you get shot on the underside or inside of the arm from the front?
There is a scenario put forth by 5 eyewitnesses that this fits perfectly.
how do you get shot on the underside or inside of the arm from the front?
You're black.
You do everything wrong.
A spook is stupid enough to fuck up his own murder.
The witnesses contradict each other. They all claim that Brown was gunned down from behind not shot in the front and all evidence says this is wrong.
It's a very simple question
again
how do you get shot on the underside of the arm from the front?
The body was in motion. If the examiner believed there was no possibility that a shot from the front couldn't have entered through the underside of the arm he would have said so.
this is how you get shot there
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if you cared about the facts you would know that
That isn't what the medical examine said.
I told "mr.turbo" the same thing pages ago when he posted the exact same picture ::)
what did he say?
this is how you get shot there
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if you cared about the facts you would know that
how do you get shot on the underside of the arm from the front?
how do you get shot on the underside of the arm from the front?if you follow the pattern the first shot that hit was his thumb that very likely could have turned his arm to expose the inside of his arm which again if you follow the pattern is where the 2nd shot landed.
if you follow the pattern the first shot that hit was his thumb that very likely could have turned his arm to expose the inside of his arm which again if you follow the pattern is where the 2nd shot landed.
You think that of the 6 shots that hit him all but 5 hit him from the front but the 1 out of 6 that didnt hit him an a spot that makes it look like it fits exactly in line with the other 5 shots?
occams razor moron
how do you get shot on the underside of the arm from the front?Arm out to the side as you're swinging? Was there a shot fired inside the car during the struggle? Could easily been that shot.
how do you get shot on the underside of the arm from the front?
how do you get shot on the underside of the arm from the front?
when all is said and done...
something in the official story is gonna change. some detail will come out of the fed autopsy which negates the original story. some will chalk it up to a simple mistake, but no...
Interesting, how we haven't heard any dirt on the cop. It's been a while now. You'd think if he had a history of misconduct, disciplinary problems or racist behavior something would've come out.I was wondering the same thing. He must have been a clean cop.
The cop almost lost an eye from the beating he took from Michael Brown.
how do you get shot on the underside of the arm from the front?
The New York Times reports that the autopsy found that Brown was struck 6 times: four shots in the right arm, and two in the head.
One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.
The meaning of that last bullet could have very different implications, Dr. Baden said.
“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he told the New York Times. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”
The autopsy was performed for free by Dr. Baden, the host of the HBO show “Autopsy.” He normally charges a $10,000 fee.
Perhaps the most telling piece of information was that Brown was struck in the front of his body, which pokes holes in the account given by Dorian Johnson, the 22-year-old man who was with Brown at the time of the shooting.
In addition, it does not appear that Brown had his hands up when he was shot. The Obama administration has ordered a second autopsy be conducted under federal supervision.
So the fact that he is a Christian not the content of what he says on a wide variety of other slightly more important issues makes him a moron?
Yep..... A moron that doubles by day as a brain surgeon. What a fucking idiot he is!!!!!
Smh
Baden already said ALL the shots came from the front....There's no argument here...Baden was brought in by the family.
if you follow the pattern the first shot that hit was his thumb that very likely could have turned his arm to expose the inside of his arm which again if you follow the pattern is where the 2nd shot landed.
You think that of the 6 shots that hit him all but 5 hit him from the front but the 1 out of 6 that didnt hit him an a spot that makes it look like it fits exactly in line with the other 5 shots?
occams razor moron
how do you get shot on the underside of the arm from the front?Why are you assuming its a shot and not an exit wound? ???
the information comes from the autopsy diagram
6 wounds 2 came in and out. It's all clearly labeled.
try looking at it
Let it go, mr.turbo! Let it go!
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the fact it's been 2 weeks and both city/county police departments PASSED on an actual autopsy, nobody is releasing anything aobut the shooting but we have a dictionary about the robbery lol..
I'm betting there will be some big discrepancy that cannot be quite explained away... Maybe the robber beat up the cop, turned to flee, and the cop regained his poise and fired a round... dude attacked again and got wasted. totally understanable, but questionable on the legality side of it, to plug a dude running away with no clear felony other than eluding on the menu.
IMO, that's why it's been silent on that front. Do I think the cop should be charged? NO NO NO. Do I think he was dazed and pissed off royally and embarassed? Of course. Do I think cop probably shot a dude fleeing with bullet #1? yep. But he shoudln't go to jail for it. Real life shit is real life shit. Brown had no choice by to charge or catch rounds in the back, and at that point, he was lights out either way.
Brown charges and catches the rest of the bullets and maybe gets "one for good measure"... clear headshot from above at the end.
Cop might be a cold blooded dude, he may never deserve to ever walk the beat again if he did issue a headshot to a dude after wasting him. But after getting his ass whopped, he probbaly wasn't thinking clearly. Again, it's real life.
THE PAUSE. Is that the reason?
Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown shot
(CNN) -- Could a newly released audio provide more clues on what led up to Michael Brown's shooting death?
The FBI has questioned a man who says he recorded audio of gunfire at the time Brown was shot by Ferguson police on August 9, the man's attorney told CNN.
In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.
Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the recording and said he detected at least 10 gunshots -- a cluster of six, followed by four.
"I was very concerned about that pause ... because it's not just the number of gunshots, it's how they're fired," the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon. "And that has a huge relevance on how this case might finally end up."
The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, his attorney said.
He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.
The attorney said she learned of the man's recording late last week from a mutual friend.
"I had to get his consent before I could reach out to the FBI," Blumenthal said.
The meaning of the pause
It's difficult to prove from the audio why the pause took place or whose narrative it supports.
Attorney Chris Chestnut said he was surprised by the gap in shots.
"It's the pause that gives most concern in a police shooting, especially with an unarmed victim, because at this point Mr. Brown is defenseless -- he has no weapon," said Chestnut, who represented the family of Jonathan Ferrell.
cnn
This proves absolutely nothing for either side. I could think of a hundred reasons why there would be 6 shots, pause, and four more shots. Reasons in Wilson's favor, and reasons in Brown's favor. Either way, this is very weak evidence. :-\
This proves absolutely nothing for either side. I could think of a hundred reasons why there would be 6 shots, pause, and four more shots. Reasons in Wilson's favor, and reasons in Brown's favor. Either way, this is very weak evidence. :-\
If this doesn't smell funny to yall, I don't know what to tell you. IMO, when the police take this long, something is smelly on their end and they don't want to move yet. Believe me, when the cops are 100% cool, 100% clear, did their job 100%, they can't hold enough press conferences to explain their awesomness.
Confirmed earlier report that #MichaelBrown had juvenile arrest record involving second degree murder... Working on getting report #Ferguson
I had two law enforcement contacts who told me #MichaelBrown had juvenile criminal record. I will be suing to get the answer. #Ferguson
what does michael browns juvenile records have to do with an audio recording of the shots?
In what circumstances if any can juvenile records be unsealed?
This whole mess just shows the gap between blacks and whites. Blacks are secretly very angry at whites in general for something, not sure what.
White people protesting with the blacks in Ferguson ::)
They don't even realize that most of those Hebrews are not protesting a questionable police shoot, but displaying their hatred for white people.
Great interview big Adam Corolla fan. Sad a lot of blacks will dismiss the author as an Uncle Tom. They need people like him.
Taleeb Starkes gets it.I agree and I have been saying this.
ADAM CAROLLA: Taleeb Starkes, good to see you.
TALEEB STARKES: Same here. Thanks for the invite.
CAROLLA: Yeah, so tell us about the book.
STARKES: Well, the book is a result of desperate times causing desperate measures. And at this time black people must confront the subculture that exists within our community. A lot of times we place the appearance of racial solidarity over racial reality and that is to the detriment of the community at large.
CAROLLA: What is your background?
STARKES: I would with juvenile delinquents and dependents and I was born and raised in the conditions that most people use as excuses for their dysfunctional criminal behavior. So I am able to identify it and say that's bullshit. Being poor doesn't excuse poor behavior at no level.
CAROLLA: Well how -- I feel like it is such a hot button issue which is whitey doesn't want to say shit because we'll just be crucified. I mean, I say shit all the time but everybody thinks I'm an asshole already. But there is a lot of people who want to remain on the happy side of this. They're really not saying I believe what they're thinking or they're being truthful. And so white folk are staying out of it, every other color is saying out of it. It's not like the Jews or the Asians are weight in. Whitey is going to stay out of this. So it's the black community, you guys work this out and then if you're a member of the black community and you start speaking out you can get sort of, pardon the pun, blackballed and you can end up with Bill Cosby somewhere. So how do you deal with that?
STARKES: Well, the name-calling, I mean, my wife calls me worse when I don't put down the toilet seat. It doesn't bother me. But here's the problem, this is a black issue and we need to step up and police our own communities. When I was writing the book it was difficult because I knew whenever black pathologies are mentioned, the average black person says, 'Well, what about what people?' So I talk about black crime, 'What about what crime?' Talk about welfare dependency, 'What about white people?'
So, while writing I sort of had to create a white -- I had to separate whites into groups. I had to create whites, wiggers, white trash. And I had to put blacks, blacks [with] guy tendencies, and guys. And so I compared whites-blacks, yes they have problems, we have problems. But the underclass isn't the face of white people. And you know with black people I think it's the opposite, the black underclass is the face of the black race in America.
ALISON ROSEN: That's so interesting, why do you think that is do you think?
STARKES: Because we put like -- we're just sympathizers, naturally. And then you get the race hustlers who come in and key in on that.
CAROLLA: Right. So what you're saying is we have the sort of Honey Boo Boos, but we make fun of the Honey Boo Boos. In the white community we all make fun of their copious use of mayonnaise, which is my rap name anyway, with a Z. But that culture is hillbilly, whitetrash, having sex with your cousin, Deliverance, all that stuff, and Honey Boo Boo, and we make fun of that, but it's not the face of our culture.
STARKES: Exactly.
CAROLLA: But you're saying the subculture in the black community is the face of the culture.
STARKES: Yes, and that's the issue. With that role reversal it's an uphill battle that I'm facing, and I know that, but with Dr. Cosby lending his support for this mission I felt like I was on the right path.
CAROLLA: Why do feel like everyone turned on Bill Cosby so strongly in the black community?
STARKES: Because white people were listening. You're not supposed to say that in front of white people. We're supposed to -- because white people don't know what's happening in our community despite being in the information age and the internet.
CAROLLA: In the black community he was beloved, right? I mean before he got into pull your pants up and speak English, right?
STARKES: Yeah.
CAROLLA: And then everyone just turned on him. I don't know what his status is today.
STARKES: I'm going to venture to say it's the same. If you have a love/hate relationship with Bill Cosby.
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ADAM CAROLLA: When you had the great Bishop Don Juan's magic wand, and you could just wave it over the black community, what would you wish for?
TALEEB STARKES, AUTHOR: I would want some diversity. There's no diversity in the black community. It's pretty much its just in our DNA to be one way, and if you're not that way, you're not (quote, unquote) "black." And I would start there, because a lot of these kids are so urbanized, if you bring anything new or different outside of sports, hip hop, those two things mainly, you may be frowned upon, and that's what I would change. What I'd like to do is get the kids out, let them see other things. Outside of the city. Again, they're so urbanized, it's foreign.
It worked for me as a kid. I got to see different things: trees, different place, it worked for me.
CAROLLA: Well, how did you get yourself out of that?
STARKES: I moved to upstate New York when I turned 18.
CAROLLA: And saw your first tree? Why is that weed so fat, mommy?
STARKES: I got to see different people. And then you realize that another part of you has to be developed. Mentally. And you're not challenged in the inner city, except staying alive, maybe.
CAROLLA: So, what does "whitey" do about all this? No one wants to talk about anything, no one wants to judge. No one wants to point any fingers. Everyone just kind of sits back. Again, you'll be crucified. And this notion, that I think is sort of racist, just conceptually, of you can't talk about a group unless you're a member of that group. I don't understand that in of itself feels racist. You're allowed to have opinions about any group that you like, including your own, but not just including your own. There's negative and positive things that people have about Asians and Hispanics and Blacks and Jews, and I don't get it, we're not entitled to express those. Why you have to just simply comment on your own. By the way, as a white person, our own is boring, we'd much rather pick apart others.
STARKES: When Eric Holder said we've become a nation of cowards, blah blah blah, we need to talk about race more. The NAACP applauded that. You guys don't want an actual conversation, you guys want a monologue.
CAROLLA: Who is 'you guys'?
STARKES: The NAACP. And everyone that applauded that statement he made. You guys don't want a conversation, because with that comes some ugly truths, some statistics, some hate crime facts, et cetera. And they don't want that. They want a monologue, they want control of the dialogue, and Eric Holder, his speech put him in the drivers seat, as far as being the official race hustler in my mind.
CAROLLA: Are we moving in the wrong direction. I think all of us, I speak for all white people, when we elected Obama, we all felt like okay good, now we can put this ugly chapter behind us, because were certainly progressive enough to elect the first black president, and now they'll be no more cries of racism, and I feel like the last six years or so, seven years, it felt like either we're moving backwards, or there's just more news.
STARKES: Listen. White people are inherently racist. Even the "hope and change" whites with the bumper stickers on the car, and "we love Obama." As seen with the Ferguson riots, whenever the black people have this spontaneous combustion, the "hope and change" whites, the other white liberals, you're targeted because you're white, and that's just what it is. And I always wondered, with the teachers in inner cities, they walk such a fine line, because they are one action away from being called racist. If you tell a kid "sit down" too harshly, you know, the parent that never came to the PTA meeting will be there like "why you tryin' to tell me son to sit down with that kind of authoritative tone?" That's kind of. "What is he a boy to you? Is he, you're a racist!" (Adam Carolla Show, August 18, 2014)
archer likes to "advocate for personal responsibilty"
everything he posts is about what black people should do
clearly archer is a hebrew!!
I agree and I have been saying this.
"TALEEB STARKES, AUTHOR: I would want some diversity. There's no diversity in the black community. It's pretty much its just in our DNA to be one way, and if you're not that way, you're not (quote, unquote) "black." And I would start there, because a lot of these kids are so urbanized, if you bring anything new or different outside of sports, hip hop, those two things mainly, you may be frowned upon, and that's what I would change. What I'd like to do is get the kids out, let them see other things. Outside of the city. Again, they're so urbanized, it's foreign."I agree but disagree.
The first thing that came to my mind when I read this was that scene in the Chris Rock movie I Think I Love My Wife where the character played by Kerry Washington accuses Chris Rocks character of having Ni#@#er ears when she goes through the music on his Ipod.
I agree but disagree.
Black folk are very diverse. From the Northern, Southern, Mid-West, West, East, different styles, and dialects and thinking. Add in the African, Latin, Caribbean, and you have differences as well. And let's not go into the diverse hues. In some instances black people are monolithic, in others not so much.
Add in the fact that the black urban trends are what young America as whole tend to follow, and that pretty all popular music today can trace it's roots to black music, and that jazz is hailed as the first true original American musical form, I'd say that it is the black culture that has taught America how to diversify.
Taleeb Starkes gets it.
ADAM CAROLLA: Taleeb Starkes, good to see you.
TALEEB STARKES: Same here. Thanks for the invite.
CAROLLA: Yeah, so tell us about the book.
STARKES: Well, the book is a result of desperate times causing desperate measures. And at this time black people must confront the subculture that exists within our community. A lot of times we place the appearance of racial solidarity over racial reality and that is to the detriment of the community at large.
CAROLLA: What is your background?
STARKES: I would with juvenile delinquents and dependents and I was born and raised in the conditions that most people use as excuses for their dysfunctional criminal behavior. So I am able to identify it and say that's bullshit. Being poor doesn't excuse poor behavior at no level.
CAROLLA: Well how -- I feel like it is such a hot button issue which is whitey doesn't want to say shit because we'll just be crucified. I mean, I say shit all the time but everybody thinks I'm an asshole already. But there is a lot of people who want to remain on the happy side of this. They're really not saying I believe what they're thinking or they're being truthful. And so white folk are staying out of it, every other color is saying out of it. It's not like the Jews or the Asians are weight in. Whitey is going to stay out of this. So it's the black community, you guys work this out and then if you're a member of the black community and you start speaking out you can get sort of, pardon the pun, blackballed and you can end up with Bill Cosby somewhere. So how do you deal with that?
STARKES: Well, the name-calling, I mean, my wife calls me worse when I don't put down the toilet seat. It doesn't bother me. But here's the problem, this is a black issue and we need to step up and police our own communities. When I was writing the book it was difficult because I knew whenever black pathologies are mentioned, the average black person says, 'Well, what about what people?' So I talk about black crime, 'What about what crime?' Talk about welfare dependency, 'What about white people?'
So, while writing I sort of had to create a white -- I had to separate whites into groups. I had to create whites, wiggers, white trash. And I had to put blacks, blacks [with] guy tendencies, and guys. And so I compared whites-blacks, yes they have problems, we have problems. But the underclass isn't the face of white people. And you know with black people I think it's the opposite, the black underclass is the face of the black race in America.
ALISON ROSEN: That's so interesting, why do you think that is do you think?
STARKES: Because we put like -- we're just sympathizers, naturally. And then you get the race hustlers who come in and key in on that.
CAROLLA: Right. So what you're saying is we have the sort of Honey Boo Boos, but we make fun of the Honey Boo Boos. In the white community we all make fun of their copious use of mayonnaise, which is my rap name anyway, with a Z. But that culture is hillbilly, whitetrash, having sex with your cousin, Deliverance, all that stuff, and Honey Boo Boo, and we make fun of that, but it's not the face of our culture.
STARKES: Exactly.
CAROLLA: But you're saying the subculture in the black community is the face of the culture.
STARKES: Yes, and that's the issue. With that role reversal it's an uphill battle that I'm facing, and I know that, but with Dr. Cosby lending his support for this mission I felt like I was on the right path.
CAROLLA: Why do feel like everyone turned on Bill Cosby so strongly in the black community?
STARKES: Because white people were listening. You're not supposed to say that in front of white people. We're supposed to -- because white people don't know what's happening in our community despite being in the information age and the internet.
CAROLLA: In the black community he was beloved, right? I mean before he got into pull your pants up and speak English, right?
STARKES: Yeah.
CAROLLA: And then everyone just turned on him. I don't know what his status is today.
STARKES: I'm going to venture to say it's the same. If you have a love/hate relationship with Bill Cosby.
###
ADAM CAROLLA: When you had the great Bishop Don Juan's magic wand, and you could just wave it over the black community, what would you wish for?
TALEEB STARKES, AUTHOR: I would want some diversity. There's no diversity in the black community. It's pretty much its just in our DNA to be one way, and if you're not that way, you're not (quote, unquote) "black." And I would start there, because a lot of these kids are so urbanized, if you bring anything new or different outside of sports, hip hop, those two things mainly, you may be frowned upon, and that's what I would change. What I'd like to do is get the kids out, let them see other things. Outside of the city. Again, they're so urbanized, it's foreign.
It worked for me as a kid. I got to see different things: trees, different place, it worked for me.
CAROLLA: Well, how did you get yourself out of that?
STARKES: I moved to upstate New York when I turned 18.
CAROLLA: And saw your first tree? Why is that weed so fat, mommy?
STARKES: I got to see different people. And then you realize that another part of you has to be developed. Mentally. And you're not challenged in the inner city, except staying alive, maybe.
CAROLLA: So, what does "whitey" do about all this? No one wants to talk about anything, no one wants to judge. No one wants to point any fingers. Everyone just kind of sits back. Again, you'll be crucified. And this notion, that I think is sort of racist, just conceptually, of you can't talk about a group unless you're a member of that group. I don't understand that in of itself feels racist. You're allowed to have opinions about any group that you like, including your own, but not just including your own. There's negative and positive things that people have about Asians and Hispanics and Blacks and Jews, and I don't get it, we're not entitled to express those. Why you have to just simply comment on your own. By the way, as a white person, our own is boring, we'd much rather pick apart others.
STARKES: When Eric Holder said we've become a nation of cowards, blah blah blah, we need to talk about race more. The NAACP applauded that. You guys don't want an actual conversation, you guys want a monologue.
CAROLLA: Who is 'you guys'?
STARKES: The NAACP. And everyone that applauded that statement he made. You guys don't want a conversation, because with that comes some ugly truths, some statistics, some hate crime facts, et cetera. And they don't want that. They want a monologue, they want control of the dialogue, and Eric Holder, his speech put him in the drivers seat, as far as being the official race hustler in my mind.
CAROLLA: Are we moving in the wrong direction. I think all of us, I speak for all white people, when we elected Obama, we all felt like okay good, now we can put this ugly chapter behind us, because were certainly progressive enough to elect the first black president, and now they'll be no more cries of racism, and I feel like the last six years or so, seven years, it felt like either we're moving backwards, or there's just more news.
STARKES: Listen. White people are inherently racist. Even the "hope and change" whites with the bumper stickers on the car, and "we love Obama." As seen with the Ferguson riots, whenever the black people have this spontaneous combustion, the "hope and change" whites, the other white liberals, you're targeted because you're white, and that's just what it is. And I always wondered, with the teachers in inner cities, they walk such a fine line, because they are one action away from being called racist. If you tell a kid "sit down" too harshly, you know, the parent that never came to the PTA meeting will be there like "why you tryin' to tell me son to sit down with that kind of authoritative tone?" That's kind of. "What is he a boy to you? Is he, you're a racist!" (Adam Carolla Show, August 18, 2014)
I agree but disagree.
Black folk are very diverse. From the Northern, Southern, Mid-West, West, East, different styles, and dialects and thinking. Add in the African, Latin, Caribbean, and you have differences as well. And let's not go into the diverse hues. In some instances black people are monolithic, in others not so much.
Add in the fact that the black urban trends are what young America as whole tend to follow, and that pretty all popular music today can trace it's roots to black music, and that jazz is hailed as the first true original American musical form, I'd say that it is the black culture that has taught America how to diversify.
You also can't say that white culture is/was monolithic, especially at the early stages of the country. European music comes in a wide variety of flavors. Greek folk music is vastly different than Irish folk music in structure and sound. By folk I am referring to traditional music not the limp wristed 60's variety that most associate with the word folk today. The music of the bourgeois European Americans like opera and waltzes was not the music of the people. In fact, the traditional folk music from Appalachia has a lot in common with the blues.
Another thing to consider is that nothing is created in a vacuum. Blacks weren't brought to this country strumming guitars singing Crossroads They were greatly influenced by the instruments and music, particularly gospel, that they encountered. Like everything these new sounds were filtered through their culture to become something, different, new and original but also carried with it the deep musical traditions of their ancestors.
Low IQ monkey shot and killed.
What's the issue?
I agree but disagree.
Black folk are very diverse. From the Northern, Southern, Midlie-West, West, East, different styles, and dialects and thinking. Add in the African, Latin, Caribbean, and you have differences as well. And let's not go into the diverse hues. In some instances black people are monolithic, in others not so much.
Add in the fact that the black urban trends are what young America as whole tend to follow, and that pretty all popular music today can trace it's roots to black music, and that jazz is hailed as the first true original American musical form, I'd say that it is the black culture that has taught America how to diversify.
Not really, I have a teenage daughter, she informs me that only the hoodlums listen to hip hop these days. Kids are into pop music right now, its a wimpy cycle, like the mid 70sremember how biased many teenagers are...
Not really, I have a teenage daughter, she informs me that only the hoodlums listen to hip hop these days. Kids are into pop music right now, its a wimpy cycle, like the mid 70sInteresting that she's hanging out with black guys.
Right click and zoom..
Right click and zoom..No thanks! I am not interested in the corrosive thoughts of mentally ill suspected white supremacists. :)
Good......Fuck the murdering pig.
Have a nice day everyone :)
How often do you sit around licking your chops, waiting for a (usually justifiable) white cop vs. black thug killing? Any interest at all in blacks killing blacks daily in Chicago, et. al.?
If you had to pretend to be honest for a sec, which seems the bigger problem to you?
What about black on black crime?
What about it? It exists....just like all other crime.
Race has nothing at all to do with my opinions on police brutality/murder.
Good......Fuck the murdering pig.
Have a nice day everyone :)
Hi Barack!
How's that social justice thing going?
Put down the pipe, son. We're talking about cowardly murderers here......
Here's how Obama may have answered you: "Well, 2Thick...social justice is working quite well for me. I'll be out of office soon, have a pension and healthcare for life, along with round the clock security. Additionally, I'll be raking in MILLIONS annually with appearances, speeches, and books I'll hire people to write for me. Think about that while you sit there pulling your shriveled pud while listening to Rush Limbaugh," Love, Barry......
Your wife Michelle didn't think my pud was so shriveled when it was in her big lips, Barry. :-*
Next you'll tell me how there's not a smidgen of corruption in the IRS, Holder is impartial, OJ was innocent, Johnny Cochran was "honorable", and the NBPP didn't intimidate voters for you.
Affirmative Action is a helluva drug.
LOL.....
The IRS, like all government run agencies, is corrupt. OJ is/was guilty and Johnny Cockring was a supreme asshole.....but did his job in showing the LAPD up for the dumbfucks they were....and still are.
I do not support Affirmative Action......
I'd assume that anyone who capitalizes "millions" like it's lots of money these days certainly must support such programs as AA. Maybe I'm wrong.
Hopefully we'll eventually find out just how high up the IRS corruption goes. It was Barry who claimed there was not a smidgen there. Was he lying or just misinformed?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/09/09/Letter-Holder-Aide-Accidentally-Calls-Issa-For-Help-Spinning-IRS-Scandal (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/09/09/Letter-Holder-Aide-Accidentally-Calls-Issa-For-Help-Spinning-IRS-Scandal)
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EVERY politician who makes it above city council or similar low level title is dirty on some level. If there ever was an honest person who aspires to be a political leader, they are weeded out early by the already corrupted.
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ever heard of Bernie Sanders?
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — A Ferguson police officer was shot in the arm Saturday night after encountering two men at a community center who ran from him and then opened fire during a foot chase, authorities said.
St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said at a media briefing early Sunday that the officer approached the men around 9:10 p.m. because the community center was closed. As the officer approached, the men ran away. When the officer gave chase, "one of the men turned and shot," Belmar said.
The officer was shot in the arm and is expected to survive, he said. Belmar did not identify the officer or give further details about his condition. He said the officer returned fire but said police have "no indication" that either suspect was shot.
A search was underway for the suspects early Sunday in Ferguson, the St. Louis suburb that's been the scene of racial unrest in the wake of the August shooting death of an unarmed black 18-year-old by a white police officer.
Police: Ferguson officer shot; 2 suspects wanted
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