Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees

[Archer77]

Who decides what they are worth and how?

Thats the question, right?  The executives make the rules so naturally they view themselves as worthy of higher wages.

[Shockwave]

I refuse to shop at walmart, because I cant stand the walking human piles of excrement that make up their consumer base....

[Necrosis]

businessinsider, not everyone can be a doctor or a ceo ,some one has to do these jobs

You guys are acting as if this company isn't one of the most hideous on earth. How can you justify paying someone who helps operate our company a less then living wage and rake in absurd amounts of money for yourself? The world's not fair but fuck man, human decency has to come into effect at some point.

It's int he best interest of the company since their emloyees will become consumers.

Also, experience, education don't gaurentee shit now a days, people at walmart probably have degrees.

[tonymctones]

You guys are acting as if this company isn't one of the most hideous on earth. How can you justify paying someone who helps operate our company a less then living wage and rake in absurd amounts of money for yourself? The world's not fair but fuck man, human decency has to come into effect at some point.

It's int he best interest of the company since their emloyees will become consumers.

Also, experience, education don't gaurentee shit now a days, people at walmart probably have degrees.

THEN GO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!

WALMART DOESNT OWE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE SHIT

If you dont have the skill, education, experience, will power to get another higher paying job, foresight to know you wont get more money DOING THE SAME FUCKING THING...what do you expect?

[Necrosis]

THEN GO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!

WALMART DOESNT OWE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE SHIT

If you dont have the skill, education, experience, will power to get another higher paying job, foresight to know you wont get more money DOING THE SAME FUCKING THING...what do you expect?

Wal-mart receives subsidies and tax breaks to utilize there business. It's like saying there's no jobs, your argument would be, work hard, get an education, you act as if everything is fair and comes down to personal effort, that is so far removed from reality it's not funny. YOu have PHD's out of work while Wal-mart pays an effective tax rate of zero raping the taxpayers who pay for the roads and infrastructure they utilize.

Life's not fair, natural selection is obsolete for humans, we have bypassed it.

[tonymctones]

Wal-mart receives subsidies and tax breaks to utilize there business. It's like saying there's no jobs, your argument would be, work hard, get an education, you act as if everything is fair and comes down to personal effort, that is so far removed from reality it's not funny. YOu have PHD's out of work while Wal-mart pays an effective tax rate of zero raping the taxpayers who pay for the roads and infrastructure they utilize.

Life's not fair, natural selection is obsolete for humans, we have bypassed it.

if you want to argue corporate tax code thats something we can do along with corporate tax rate which is one of the highest in the world. I can actually agree with you on many of the issues you probably have in regards to corporate tax code and reform.

THATS NOT THE ISSUE HERE....

The more education you have the better your employability and the more money you will ultimately make...THATS A FACT
The less education you have the harder it is to get a job and make a good wage...THATS A FACT

you act as if these people are all just down on their luck and have not made decisions that put them in this place.

If there isnt any jobs in your area...FUCKING MOVE MORON!!!!
If you cant get a job b/c you dont have a GED...GET A FUCKING GED MORON, and then get a college education in something that is marketable.

[240 is Back]

it's tricky...

Unions are pretty shady - they influence elections, they do some shady shit with the $, lots of accusations of bribing, etc - They take a lot of dues and do a lot of things most people would call shady.  So on the macro, BAD.

On the other hand, for individuals, those that join unions do get higher wagers.
http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2012/12/12/across-the-board-union-workers-get-higher-pay/
Micro, it's good.
Government workers: “These workers make a median of $973 a week, roughly $230 more than their non-union counterparts.”

Teachers: “The union members earn $224 a week more than non-union educators, with median weekly earnings at $1,038.”

Firefighters and police officers: “Union workers make about $1,008 a week, and non-union workers make $627.”

Factory workers: “Union workers make about $836 a week, $56 a week more than non-union employees.”

Construction workers: “Union workers earn about $361 more per week than their non-union counterparts.”

Transportation and warehousing workers: “Union employees earn about $215 more per week, or 30%, than non-union workers.”

Utilities workers: “Union employees in this industry tend to earn 10.2% more per week than non-union workers.”


So if you are a worker, then yes, you like them.
If you're not a worker, and you don't make X amount more because of them (OR, if you are negatively affected by their practices or the higher wages given), then you are definitely against them.

It's not a right/wrong... that all depends on WHO you are. 

[2Thick]

But this is impossible.

The moment you hit a public road, you are depending on government.

Who pays for those roads? We pay for them, the same way we pay govt salaries. THEY work for us, and those who are elected (and their appointees) are dependent upon us. We need a much smaller, more efficient government that largely allows states to govern themselves. Not this fraudulent, wasteful, laughably corrupt govt that is growing more and more every day.

The feds need to stick to national defense and a few other things they do well and leave everything else alone. Pretty much everything else they touch turns into an inefficient, corrupt pile of shit.

Anything Big Govt can "give" they can also take away.

[Primemuscle]

If you pay them more than they're worth, it'll be a hand out.

So I gather you are an expert on what sales associates are worth at Walmart as compared to other companies. The average grocery clerk at Fred Meyer, a big box chain store operation much like Walmart, makes $22,000. Walmart sales associate positions pay $8.88 hourly. I could find no information for average annual salary. However, if the Fred Meyer grocery clerk wage exampled represents fulltime work the position pays $10. an hour. Walmart notoriously keeps much of their workforce at less then fulltime to avoid paying health and other benefits only afforded fulltime employees.

While most stores will hire an army of temporary workers to handle the holiday season rush, Walmart has been relying almost exclusively on temps year-round. A Reuters survey of 52 stores in June found that most were hiring only temps, who must re-apply for their jobs after 180 days. Meanwhile, existing long-time employees have seen their hours reduced drastically.

Walmart, as the nation’s largest private employer, exerts a powerful influence on other large companies. As Walmart slashed employees’ hours, jobs report after jobs report showed the biggest gains in a part-time, low-wage workforce.

Not only is the Walmart model bad for workers and business, it’s also terrible for the taxpayer. The company’s refusal to pay a living wage and benefits forces most of its employees onto public benefits like food stamps and Medicaid. Each store’s workforce consumes as much as $1.75 million in public benefits each year.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/09/24/2669191/walmart-adds-fulltime-workers/

[Primemuscle]

Who pays for those roads? We pay for them, the same way we pay govt salaries. THEY work for us, and those who are elected (and their appointees) are dependent upon us. We need a much smaller, more efficient government that largely allows states to govern themselves. Not this fraudulent, wasteful, laughably corrupt govt that is growing more and more every day.

The feds need to stick to national defense and a few other things they do well and leave everything else alone. Pretty much everything else they touch turns into an inefficient, corrupt pile of shit.

Anything Big Govt can "give" they can also take away.

The FOX New's sheep have spoken.

It is quite amusing to read some of the posts on Getbig which are pretty much verbatim what FOX News reports all day and all night long.

Keith Rupert Murdoch is the owner of FOX News.

Keith Rupert Murdoch, AC, KSG (born 11 March 1931) is an Australian-born American business magnate. Murdoch became managing director of Australia's News Limited, inherited from his father, in 1952. He is the founder, Chairman and CEO of global media holding company News Corporation, the world's second-largest media conglomerate, and its successors News Corp and 21st Century Fox after the conglomerate split on 28 June 2013.

In July 2011 Murdoch faced allegations that his companies, including the News of the World, owned by News Corporation, had been regularly hacking the phones of celebrities, royalty and public citizens. He faces police and government investigations into bribery and corruption by the British government and FBI investigations in the US. On 21 July 2012, Murdoch resigned as a director of News International.

In the 2012 U.S. Presidential election, Murdoch has been critical of the competence of Mitt Romney's team but nonetheless has been strongly supportive of a Republican victory, tweeting: "Of course I want him [Romney] to win, save us from socialism, etc."

In 1996, Murdoch decided to enter the cable news market with the Fox News Channel, a 24-hour cable news station. Ratings studies released in 2009 showed that the network was responsible for nine of the top ten programs in the "Cable News" category at that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

[Shockwave]

The FOX New's sheep have spoken.

It is quite amusing to read some of the posts on Getbig which are pretty much verbatim what FOX News reports all day and all night long.

Keith Rupert Murdoch is the owner of FOX News.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

hes not wrong..... the gov exists to service the citizens... they take our money by force, and theyre supposed to use it to support its citizens. .. except that they dont, rhey see it that we owe them and work for them, which is bullshit and the citizens need to take control back and make tje gov remember that they exist for us, not vice versa.

[The Showstoppa]

Who decides what they are worth and how?

Pure market value.

[tonymctones]

The next thing the no business sense having libtard will be yelling about are paying their suppliers a certain amount so they can pay their workers more.

straight up idiots

[Shockwave]

The next thing the no business sense having libtard will be yelling about are paying their suppliers a certain amount so they can pay their workers more.

straight up idiots

Some people just refuse to accept the concept that not every job is designed to pay a comfortable living wage.

Shitty employees with no skill = shitty jobs with low/no wage... there is always the poor fuckers with worthless degrees who wasted a hundred G's on a liberal arts degree working at McDonalds, or the guy with a PhD in something useful that can't find employment for some reason (usually because they refuse to relocate)... but those are not the norm, and usually could actually find a job if they were willing to do something somewhere else or if they would work for slightly less than they want.

[The Showstoppa]

Some people just refuse to accept the concept that not every job is designed to pay a comfortable living wage.

Shitty employees with no skill = shitty jobs with low/no wage... there is always the poor fuckers with worthless degrees who wasted a hundred G's on a liberal arts degree working at McDonalds, or the guy with a PhD in something useful that can't find employment for some reason (usually because they refuse to relocate)... but those are not the norm, and usually could actually find a job if they were willing to do something somewhere else or if they would work for slightly less than they want.

The world needs ditch diggers too. 

[tonymctones]

So I gather you are an expert on what sales associates are worth at Walmart as compared to other companies. The average grocery clerk at Fred Meyer, a big box chain store operation much like Walmart, makes $22,000. Walmart sales associate positions pay $8.88 hourly. I could find no information for average annual salary. However, if the Fred Meyer grocery clerk wage exampled represents fulltime work the position pays $10. an hour. Walmart notoriously keeps much of their workforce at less then fulltime to avoid paying health and other benefits only afforded fulltime employees.
 

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/09/24/2669191/walmart-adds-fulltime-workers/

Prime at what point is it the individuals responsibility to find full time employment that pays a decent wage?

[pedro01]

Pure market value.

OK - why is that the appropriate in all cases?

Let's say you had a town with an industry employing 500,000 workers. That industry ups and moves to China leaving a huge gap in the  job market there.

Wal Mart then decides to fire all of it's staff and offer up jobs at $2 an hour, knowing that in the pool of 500,000 newly unemployed workers, there will be some desperate enough to take the job.

This is pure market value. It's also exploitation. Not much different from a sweatshop in some 3rd world shitehole.

But it's OK because it's pure market value, right?

[tonymctones]

OK - why is that the appropriate in all cases?

Let's say you had a town with an industry employing 500,000 workers. That industry ups and moves to China leaving a huge gap in the  job market there.

Wal Mart then decides to fire all of it's staff and offer up jobs at $2 an hour, knowing that in the pool of 500,000 newly unemployed workers, there will be some desperate enough to take the job.

This is pure market value. It's also exploitation. Not much different from a sweatshop in some 3rd world shitehole.

But it's OK because it's pure market value, right?

FUCKING MOVE!!!!

go to where the jobs are

[tonymctones]

OK - why is that the appropriate in all cases?

Let's say you had a town with an industry employing 500,000 workers. That industry ups and moves to China leaving a huge gap in the  job market there.

Wal Mart then decides to fire all of it's staff and offer up jobs at $2 an hour, knowing that in the pool of 500,000 newly unemployed workers, there will be some desperate enough to take the job.

This is pure market value. It's also exploitation. Not much different from a sweatshop in some 3rd world shitehole.

But it's OK because it's pure market value, right?

whats funny is that the catalyst for your scenario is a business going over seas and you think that forcing the employers to pay more than what the workers are worth wont cause more companies to do the same exact fucking thing

again the business sense of libtards is just fucking non existent

[tonymctones]

OK - why is that the appropriate in all cases?

Let's say you had a town with an industry employing 500,000 workers. That industry ups and moves to China leaving a huge gap in the  job market there.

Wal Mart then decides to fire all of it's staff and offer up jobs at $2 an hour, knowing that in the pool of 500,000 newly unemployed workers, there will be some desperate enough to take the job.

This is pure market value. It's also exploitation. Not much different from a sweatshop in some 3rd world shitehole.

But it's OK because it's pure market value, right?

or better yet start your own business and pay your workers more

[pedro01]

FUCKING MOVE!!!!

go to where the jobs are

What - to China?

[pedro01]

whats funny is that the catalyst for your scenario is a business going over seas and you think that forcing the employers to pay more than what the workers are worth wont cause more companies to do the same exact fucking thing

again the business sense of libtards is just fucking non existent

The scenario I mentioned was a company going overseas, correct. In that case you would have 500,000 people newly on benefits. Being paid for from your taxes.

So the scenario I outlined was an employer firing all it's employees because they know they can pick up enough desperate people to work say.... $2 an hour.

I did not talk at any point about forcing anyone to do anything. That was you. I just outlined a clear case of exploitation. Just so you could possibly understand that 'market forces' are not the only dynamic at play.

Also - it is worth noting that Wal-Mart, cannot relocate overseas.

At the end of the day, you are an extremist to an extent. Market Forces decide all and nothing else matters and anything else is communism. You have brought into a viewpoint that is very much flawed.

[tonymctones]

What - to China?

how about to another town

and....

whats funny is that the catalyst for your scenario is a business going over seas and you think that forcing the employers to pay more than what the workers are worth wont cause more companies to do the same exact fucking thing

again the business sense of libtards is just fucking non existent

[tonymctones]

The scenario I mentioned was a company going overseas, correct. In that case you would have 500,000 people newly on benefits. Being paid for from your taxes.

So the scenario I outlined was an employer firing all it's employees because they know they can pick up enough desperate people to work say.... $2 an hour.

I did not talk at any point about forcing anyone to do anything. That was you. I just outlined a clear case of exploitation. Just so you could possibly understand that 'market forces' are not the only dynamic at play.

Also - it is worth noting that Wal-Mart, cannot relocate overseas.

At the end of the day, you are an extremist to an extent. Market Forces decide all and nothing else matters and anything else is communism. You have brought into a viewpoint that is very much flawed.

I am not saying nothing else matters, MINIMAL regulations are needed. If there arent other ways for these people to make money and obtain a living then we can talk.

AS OF NOW, there are plenty of jobs...maybe not in their region but plenty of jobs for people with the right skills, education and experience.

sorry you dont get to be uneducated with little skills and or experience and expect to get paid well.

[tonymctones]

Prime at what point is it the individuals responsibility to find full time employment that pays a decent wage?

maybe you can answer this pedro?