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OUTLAW SWIMMING POOLS! Swimming pools are 52 times more likely to kill children than guns!
Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:40:27 AM by ComtedeMaistre
Here is some excellent analysis that shows that swimming pools kill more children than guns, despite the fact that we have more guns than swimming pools in this country:
http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/firearms-versus-swimming-pools.php
When you factor in the number of pools relative to that of guns, the analysis shows that a child is 52 times more likely to die in a swimming pool than by a gun shot. We need to outlaw swimming pools, in order to save the lives of children. I am all for pool control. We must fight to ensure that the pool builders lobby does not undermine our attempt to save the lives of children.
Why is Obama not holding a press conference to denounce the lack of pool control, and introduce licensing for people who own pools? Is it because guns are more effective at stopping communism than swimming pools?
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well when someone walks into a school carrying a pool and kills 26 people you can make this argument,until then it's just plain dumb
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well when someone walks into a school carrying a pool and kills 26 people you can make this argument,until then it's just plain dumb
don't get why you think this argument is dumb. i think everyone's goal should be to save as many children's lives as we can. to do that, we should start with what kills the most children and address that problem, then spend time working on the next biggest killer, and so on. how could you not agree with this? is getting shot worse than drowning in a pool?
the only reason you think that gun control is a bigger issue for our children is because thats what TV tell you to think. period.
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you do realize that pool deaths are accidents,it's not he same thing
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you do realize that pool deaths are accidents,it's not he same thing
So again - you dont care about the aggregate body count - you only care about why they died?
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these are just dumb gun lobbyist arguments,normal people realize this,but hey, keep on talking about hammers,, screw drivers,pizza pies,and what ever else you want to talk about but it's not going to change a thing
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these are just dumb gun lobbyist arguments,normal people realize this,but hey, keep on talking about hammers,, screw drivers,pizza pies,and what ever else you want to talk about but it's not going to change a thing
No - its about the fact that gun control communists like yourself dont give a shit about dead people - only advancing a radical agenda
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you do realize that pool deaths are accidents,it's not he same thing
right because if my kid dies in an pool accident i wont be as shook up about it as if he was shot. you're an idiot. i want to prevent ALL the ways my kid can die. so lets start with fixing how MOST kids die.
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right because if my kid dies in an pool accident i wont be as shook up about it as if he was shot. you're an idiot. i want to prevent ALL the ways my kid can die. so lets start with fixing how MOST kids die.
your the idiot,the only thing that's the same is they're both dead.let me guess you have guns and your worried they're coming to get them
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please understand that if I could go back in time and prevent guns from ever being invented. i would. in a heartbeat. honestly they scare the shit out of me.
i've never known a kid that got shot and died. but i did know 1 of the 2 kids from my son's school that drowned last summer. and their parents were just as devastated as the people that you watch on the news. trust me. so don't sit here and say that its not the same thing. to them it is.
i'll say it again. the only reason you think gun control is a bigger issue is because the TV tells you to think that. and you listen. you probably think that steroids is a bigger problem for our teenagers than alcohol too.
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again the difference is if the parents were there watching those kids swimming they could have been saved ,if the parents were at that school with the kids they're probably dead
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your the idiot,the only thing that's the same is they're both dead.let me guess you have guns and your worried they're coming to get them
tv taught you to make that assumption.
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again the difference is if the parents were there watching those kids swimming they could have been saved ,if the parents were at that school with the kids they're probably dead
Absurd.
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again the difference is if the parents were there watching those kids swimming they could have been saved ,if the parents were at that school with the kids they're probably dead
why is it that liberals think that they have the rigt to blame victims when it suits their political party?
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tv taught you to make that assumption.
commom sense lets you make that assumption
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why is it that liberals think that they have the rigt to blame victims when it suits their political party?
if the parents were watch their kids swimming those kids would probably be alive,it's that simple
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if the parents were watch their kids swimming those kids would probably be alive,it's that simple
And if there were armed guards at schools hose other kids may still be alive.
Why are you for banning one but not others?
Especially when the body count is so one sided?
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commom sense lets you make that assumption
then apparently your common sense is failing you. because i own zero guns
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And if there were armed guards at schools hose other kids may still be alive.
Why are you for banning one but not others?
Especially when the body count is so one sided?
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And if there were armed guards at schools hose other kids may still be alive.
Why are you for banning one but not others?
Especially when the body count is so one sided?
because tv told him so
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And if there were armed guards at schools hose other kids may still be alive.
Why are you for banning one but not others?
Especially when the body count is so one sided?
again for the late comers,one is an accident and the other is murder.
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again for the late comers,one is an accident and the other is murder.
Again for the slow learners, so you're not interested in preventing accidents even though kids are mucho te likely to die from that your just concerned about those deaths where the intent was murder?
Please don't use the children aspect in your arguments anymore as its clear the lives of Children is my what you're concerned with but murder.
If that's the case then you're really willing to ban guns based on a few isolated incidents?
Why don't you go answer my "Fundamental question" thread? I think this goes to the heart of the differnece
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Good point!!!
Guns actually serve several important and practical uses. Swimming pools are merely for recreation!
When will we wise up, and put an end to this holocaust of young people dying senseless deaths?
I'm outraged
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please understand that if I could go back in time and prevent guns from ever being invented. i would. in a heartbeat. honestly they scare the shit out of me.
i've never known a kid that got shot and died. but i did know 1 of the 2 kids from my son's school that drowned last summer. and their parents were just as devastated as the people that you watch on the news. trust me. so don't sit here and say that its not the same thing. to them it is.
i'll say it again. the only reason you think gun control is a bigger issue is because the TV tells you to think that. and you listen. you probably think that steroids is a bigger problem for our teenagers than alcohol too.
Good point!
I live in a state with record high CCW numbers and I've never known anyone that's been shot! I do know of at least six people that have drowned senseless deaths in pools.
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Again for the slow learners, so you're not interested in preventing accidents even though kids are mucho te likely to die from that your just concerned about those deaths where the intent was murder?
Please don't use the children aspect in your arguments anymore as its clear the lives of Children is my what you're concerned with but murder.
If that's the case then you're really willing to ban guns based on a few isolated incidents?
Why don't you go answer my "Fundamental question" thread? I think this goes to the heart of the differnece
wrong again, but whats new.alot of public pools have life guards and rules saying an adult ha to be present when a kid is swimming,these rule came into play because of kids drowning,they didn't ban all pools,you see where this is going.maybe we can change a few things and not just ban all guns
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wrong again, but whats new.alot of public pools have life guards and rules saying an adult ha to be present when a kid is swimming,these rule came into play because of kids drowning,they didn't ban all pools,you see where this is going.maybe we can change a few things and not just ban all guns
So? you think no parents have ever watched their kids drown?
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did i say that,please show me where .i will tell you one thing the chances are a 1000 times better that a kid will not drown if the parents are watching
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did i say that,please show me where .i will tell you one thing the chances are a 1000 times better that a kid will not drown if the parents are watching
And if an armed guard is present the kid has less of a chance of dying in a soft target zone from a freak like lanza.
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did i say that,please show me where .i will tell you one thing the chances are a 1000 times better that a kid will not drown if the parents are watching
They're 1,000,000 times better that a kid will not get shot if the parents lock up their guns.
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sure, i'll agree with that.and maybe it will come to that,and maybe there will be other steps also
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They're 1,000,000 times better that a kid will not get shot if the parents lock up their guns.
i agree 100%
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i agree 100%
wait... what? We're in agreement? ??? :o :o :o :o :o :o ;D
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i agree 100%
Agreed - so it was more a case of reckless irresponsible people doing stupid shit right?
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sure if a kid is playing with guns the idiot parents left out,and accidentally shoots himself
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So of gun murders in the US, lets subtract gang related murders, lets subtract justifiable homicide, lets subtract suicide.
Accidental Gun Deaths Vs. Accidental Drowning.
BAN SWIMMING POOLS.
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wrong again, but whats new.alot of public pools have life guards and rules saying an adult ha to be present when a kid is swimming,these rule came into play because of kids drowning,they didn't ban all pools,you see where this is going.maybe we can change a few things and not just ban all guns
Lol they didn't ban any pools just put guards up.
Aren't you the one who was making fun of the NRA's stance of armed guards at schools?
So you're for putting up guards to help prevent drowning but not to prevent shootings?
So you are or are not concerned with children's deaths? Or is it just murdering of children you're concerned with?
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Lol they didn't ban any pools just put guards up.
Aren't you the one who was making fun of the NRA's stance of armed guards at schools?
So you're for putting up guards to help prevent drowning but not to prevent shootings?
So you are or are not concerned with children's deaths? Or is it just murdering of children you're concerned with?
so lifeguards are now armed guards :D :D :D :D time for you to give up on this
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so lifeguards are now armed guards :D :D :D :D time for you to give up on this
LOL try and keep up now brainiac, lifeguards are ppl with training and equipment who are put in place to save those children you claim to care so much about.
Armed guards at schools are ppl who are trained and equiped to help save those children you claim to care so much about.
So why are you all for the use of trained/equiped ppl to save kids at pools but not at schools?
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Ban pools!!!
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LOL try and keep up now brainiac, lifeguards are ppl with training and equipment who are put in place to save those children you claim to care so much about.
Armed guards at schools are ppl who are trained and equiped to help save those children you claim to care so much about.
So why are you all for the use of trained/equiped ppl to save kids at pools but not at schools?
your playing dumb right,most people[normal people] see lifeguards differently than armed guards,that's why you will find most people against arm guards in schools,but not against life guards at a pool. mr.brainiac
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Agreed - so it was more a case of reckless irresponsible people doing stupid shit right?
If your kid drowns in a pool, perhaps it's your own fault for not watching him or her closely enough.
But a parent should have a reasonable expectation that, when sending a child to kindergarten, the chid will not be shot at. Does that sound unreasonable to you?
By the way, http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com
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your playing dumb right,most people[normal people] see lifeguards differently than armed guards,that's why you will find most people against arm guards in schools,but not against life guards at a pool. mr.brainiac
Why? both are there to protect others
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your playing dumb right,most people[normal people] see lifeguards differently than armed guards,that's why you will find most people against arm guards in schools,but not against life guards at a pool. mr.brainiac
what polls do you have to support your assertion that ppl are against armed guards at schools?
you are dumb right?
Lifeguards are put in place to protect children from drowning b/c of the enormously high death rate in children from drowning.
Yet you dont want ppl in place to protect children given the miniscule amount of deaths at schools?
why is that?
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If your kid drowns in a pool, perhaps it's your own fault for not watching him or her closely enough.
But a parent should have a reasonable expectation that, when sending a child to kindergarten, the chid will not be shot at. Does that sound unreasonable to you?
By the way, http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com
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Shooting incidents like the one in newtown are extremely rare
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If your kid drowns in a pool, perhaps it's your own fault for not watching him or her closely enough.
But a parent should have a reasonable expectation that, when sending a child to kindergarten, the chid will not be shot at. Does that sound unreasonable to you?
By the way, http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com
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LOL plenty of kids drown at public pools every year, wouldnt you think those parents would have the same reasonable assumption as they do when they send their kids to school?
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Shooting incidents like the one in newtown are extremely rare
School shootings are becoming commonplace in America in the past ten years or so.
Even the gun laws on the books aren't effective. The Newtown shooting was a case where the mother followed the letter of the law, was shot in the face with her own gun and then the gun was used in a massacre.
I'm not sure what the answer is, to be honest. A total gun ban just isn't going to happen in America. But just to pretend everything is okay because kids die other ways is not realistically addressing the problem. It is a slap in the face of reason.
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School shootings are becoming commonplace in America in the past ten years or so.
Even the gun laws on the books aren't effective. The Newtown shooting was a case where the mother followed the letter of the law, was shot in the face with her own gun and then the gun was used in a massacre.
I'm not sure what the answer is, to be honest. A total gun ban just isn't going to happen in America. But just to pretend everything is okay because kids die other ways is not realistically addressing the problem. It is a slap in the face of reason.
Its not common place. That is pure emotional bs
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LOL plenty of kids drown at public pools every year, wouldnt you think those parents would have the same reasonable assumption as they do when they send their kids to school?
You're right. Forget it.
Some kids getting shot at school is acceptable.
I don't know what I was thinking.
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You're right. Forget it.
Some kids getting shot at school is acceptable.
I don't know what I was thinking.
Your PEDO is showing full force in the new pic bro
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Your PEDO is showing full force in the new pic bro
Is it okay to personally attack members again?
I don't really care but I got a warning PM, so I'm curious about it.
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You're right. Forget it.
Some kids getting shot at school is acceptable.
I don't know what I was thinking.
Nice straw man, typical liberal dousche baggery...
many many more kids die from pools but youre not for banning those.
Please stop acting like the children are your main concern b/c if they were you would be an activist for more pool regulations but I havent heard one post from you on that.
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A total gun ban just isn't going to happen in America. But just to pretend everything is okay because kids die other ways is not realistically addressing the problem. It is a slap in the face of reason.
Actually, pretending that passing more laws will stop school shootings is a a slap in the face of reason. Liberal politicians are using this as an excuse to do what they already wanted to do before. Make it increasingly difficult for law abiding citizens to own and shoot the guns that they want to own and shoot. All the while pretending the 2nd amendment is in place for hunting. None of the so-called solutions that they are presenting would have prevented this tragedy.
If they really wanted to find a way to reduce these type of shootings they would be looking at mental illness and the anti-depressants that are being fed to children by the truckload. Perhaps study the effect of kids playing 3000 hours of first person shooter games on X-Box. The reason these shootings are becoming more common is because our society is crumbling and liberalism is at the very heart of that in my opinion.
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what polls do you have to support your assertion that ppl are against armed guards at schools?
you are dumb right?
Lifeguards are put in place to protect children from drowning b/c of the enormously high death rate in children from drowning.
Yet you dont want ppl in place to protect children given the miniscule amount of deaths at schools?
why is that?
The group's position on more cops in schools is actually backed up by the public: Only 41% support a National Rifle Association proposal to put armed officers in schools; 50% oppose it, according to a Public Policy Polling survey released this week.
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The group's position on more cops in schools is actually backed up by the public: Only 41% support a National Rifle Association proposal to put armed officers in schools; 50% oppose it, according to a Public Policy Polling survey released this week.
link please, thats all fine and dandy they dont necissarily have to be armed with a gun.
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Actually, pretending that passing more laws will stop school shootings is a a slap in the face of reason. Liberal politicians are using this as an excuse to do what they already wanted to do before. Make it increasingly difficult for law abiding citizens to own and shoot the guns that they want to own and shoot. All the while pretending the 2nd amendment is in place for hunting. None of the so-called solutions that they are presenting would have prevented this tragedy.
If they really wanted to find a way to reduce these type of shootings they would be looking at mental illness and the anti-depressants that are being fed to children by the truckload. Perhaps study the effect of kids playing 3000 hours of first person shooter games on X-Box. The reason these shootings are becoming more common is because our society is crumbling and liberalism is at the very heart of that in my opinion.
Bravo bravo!!!
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you do realize that pool deaths are accidents,it's not he same thing
Both have the same end result. So yes, logically, they are exactly the same. You just feel there is a moral difference which is fine, but a dead child is a dead child.
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Actually, pretending that passing more laws will stop school shootings is a a slap in the face of reason. Liberal politicians are using this as an excuse to do what they already wanted to do before. Make it increasingly difficult for law abiding citizens to own and shoot the guns that they want to own and shoot. All the while pretending the 2nd amendment is in place for hunting. None of the so-called solutions that they are presenting would have prevented this tragedy.
If they really wanted to find a way to reduce these type of shootings they would be looking at mental illness and the anti-depressants that are being fed to children by the truckload. Perhaps study the effect of kids playing 3000 hours of first person shooter games on X-Box. The reason these shootings are becoming more common is because our society is crumbling and liberalism is at the very heart of that in my opinion.
So you think we should curb the 1st ammendment?
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So you think we should curb the 1st ammendment?
I didn't say that. All I said is that if they really want to stop these shootings they should look at what might be the root cause. At no point did I say what they should do about it. Just like a liberal, you cant refute what I said so you try to put words in my mouth and move the debate on to another topic.
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I didn't say that. All I said is that if they really want to stop these shootings they should look at what might be the root cause. At no point did I say what they should do about it. Just like a liberal, you cant refute what I said so you try to put words in my mouth and move the debate on to another topic.
this is exactly my point. Anytime anyone even hints at doing something about guns, people go nuts. No rational argument is even allowed. More and more death threat youtube vids appear.
I'll take a page from your book and froth at the mouth at a mere mention.
However, I'm not surprised u can't see the irony. It's hard to notice such things when you're in a rage.
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So you think we should curb the 1st ammendment?
Why isn't that acceptable to you? You must support kids getting murdered!
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this is exactly my point. Anytime anyone even hints at doing something about guns, people go nuts. No rational argument is even allowed. More and more death threat youtube vids appear.
I'll take a page from your book and froth at the mouth at a mere mention.
However, I'm not surprised u can't see the irony. It's hard to notice such things when you're in a rage.
I've yet to see you make a rational arguement for gun control so I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Right out of the liberal playbook you talk about how angry republicans are. I've done nothing to indicate that I'm "in a rage" or "frothing at the mouth". It's true some republicans have come off like angry nuts but I have not.
Speaking of angry nuts, how do you think liberals would react if Romney got elected and started threatening to use and executive order to ban abortion? They would lose their minds. It would be utter hysteria. How receptive are liberals to rational arguements for banning abortion? Exactly.
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I've yet to see you make a rational arguement for gun control so I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Right out of the liberal playbook you talk about how angry republicans are. I've done nothing to indicate that I'm "in a rage" or "frothing at the mouth". It's true some republicans have come off like angry nuts but I have not.
Speaking of angry nuts, how do you think liberals would react if Romney got elected and started threatening to use and executive order to ban abortion? They would lose their minds. It would be utter hysteria. How receptive are liberals to rational arguements for banning abortion? Exactly.
Imagine if Romney won and said I am for banning abortion and I want common sense laws enacted and hope the liberals meet me half way.
How would they react?
We all know the answer - so STFU Gaybear
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Why isn't that acceptable to you? You must support kids getting murdered!
Try harder.
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Try harder.
I'm disappointed, I pulled that one right out of your playbook. :-[
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Imagine if Romney won and said I am for banning abortion and I want common sense laws enacted and hope the liberals meet me half way.
How would they react?
We all know the answer - so STFU Gaybear
[/b]Good one.
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this is exactly my point. Anytime anyone even hints at doing something about guns, people go nuts. No rational argument is even allowed. More and more death threat youtube vids appear.
I'll take a page from your book and froth at the mouth at a mere mention.
However, I'm not surprised u can't see the irony. It's hard to notice such things when you're in a rage.
There are relatively intelligent people who are amenable to rational argument on either side of the aisle, but they tend to be at the upper echelons of power or a part of auxiliary structures, e.g., think tanks that analyze and propose policy. (Unfortunately, it's still the case that an increasing amount of such elites are polarized, partisan types.)
It isn't reasonable to expect the general population to be calm, rational, and amenable to relatively emotion-free discourse. I think the ability to hold sophisticated, productive conversations about such issues requires training and a level of knowledge not accessible to most of the population (generally speaking, a college education seems necessary, something only one-fourth of the nation receives). And this is what we'd expect, really: our lowly origins as half-evolved apes makes the possibility of such discourse a wonder in itself; not understanding the complex causal chains of economic policy, as a random example, is nothing to be ashamed of (arguably, not even the experts understand).
The only problem with the way things are is that apparently, elites need to use emotional appeals to convince a population that make-believes it understands the issues. Will further education make policy debates more accessible, or will elites need to keep leading most people on?