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Any one have pics and vids of sergio??
davie
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Satisfied?
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Look here:
http://z11.invisionfree.com/powertraining/index.php?showtopic=1232 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/powertraining/index.php?showtopic=1232)
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or here
http://www.ronnie.cz/c-243-Sergio-Oliva.html
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or back up there again.
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The "Myth"...
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/SergioOliva4.jpg)
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The "Myth"...
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/SergioOliva4.jpg)
this pic is unbelivable :o His arms were huge!
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this pic is unbelivable :o His arms were huge!
Trully one of the all time greats.
Dont mean to sound greedy (as the pics r amazing), but are there any training vids of him u think??
davie
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Including one of the best back shots ever
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more
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such a tapered waist with big arms and shoulders. I can see why Arnold lost to him at least once.
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That is one well rounded physique.
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The "Myth"...
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/SergioOliva4.jpg)
I'd never seen that shot before. Holy crap....
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Am i right in saying sergios probs only weakness was abs, im not saying he didnt have defined abs, bus they wernt up to the same level as the rest of him.
To summarise tho he is freeking huge and in my opinion one of the greatest of all time, if u want a freeky big body then thats what to go for!!
davie
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super long and full muscle bellies and a propensity to acquire huge muscle mass off relatively tiny joints = genetic freak.
you can train for it all you want, 99.99999999% of you will never get there and if you think just taking a shit load of anabolic drugs will do the trick, think again.
genetics my friend. sergio oliva the four legged man! one of a kind. 8)
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sergios probs only weakness was abs, im not saying he didnt have defined abs, bus they wernt up to the same level as the rest of him.
Washboard abs weren't a big thing for most of the bigger guys; more important was having a small waist and good V taper.
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Am i right in saying sergios probs only weakness was abs, im not saying he didnt have defined abs, bus they wernt up to the same level as the rest of him.
To summarise tho he is freeking huge and in my opinion one of the greatest of all time, if u want a freeky big body then thats what to go for!!
davie
I guess so davie? At times his abs werent really that visible (they looked great in 72) but I think it was more genetics than anything else, kinda like Boyer Coe's abs. Sergio was huge and ripped for the most part with a super tiny waist but sometimes his abs didnt show much. IMO he had the perfect body of all time.
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arnold did have some pretty good abs in his day. franco's too. but Eddie, Waller and Katz didn't really.
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Keeping the waist small helped to stress the 'V' taper. Much sought because of the early influence of Steve Reeves, among others. A lot of input, back then, from Vince G. also. Vince Gironda considered a wide lat flair (along with wide muscular delts and calf's) very important for the male BB'er. He also had the notion that working the abs too hard would slow down or even stop muscle size for the rest of the body. Believing that the solar plexus (that center of nerves under the sternum..some call it the second brain) receive damage from doing intense direct ab work. The CNS is linked to the solar plexus. If any one has ever gotten the wind knocked out of them or hit directly in that area, they would understand the important of that nerve center below the chest. Lot's of theory's about the solar plexus and training from those old timers back in those times.
There is a photo of Reeves standing sideways. And his arm's almost look twice the size of his waist. Those were the day's, I guess. Good Luck.
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One word: freak. I would love to have his physique. All the major bodyparts were massive and dense, with such a small waist and good proportions. Imagine if he was competing today, with the diet and training knowledge. He'd be Coleman's equal, no doubt.
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I always like when some fool says that Oliva had small legs Hee Hee ;D
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I always like when some fool says that Oliva had small legs
I've never seen anyone say that, actually.
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I've never seen anyone say that, actually.
I think retard Sarcasm said it not that long ago
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I think retard Sarcasm said it not that long ago
True, it was in reference to a pic of Sergio and Vince Gironda. Hope he was just kidding...
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his victory pose, i think thats what its called, looks amazing.
that has to be my favorite sergio pose, his arms are almost as big as his waist
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Am i right in saying sergios probs only weakness was abs, im not saying he didnt have defined abs, bus they wernt up to the same level as the rest of him.
To summarise tho he is freeking huge and in my opinion one of the greatest of all time, if u want a freeky big body then thats what to go for!!
davie
Sergio had defined abs, but I see your point also. Here are a few good ab shots.
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that is one massive mofo
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Sergio had defined abs, but I see your point also. Here are a few good ab shots.
middle shot, he looks in the sort of condition that might have threatened arnold, but he didn't have the mass/density,
last shot he's got great mass, but he's carrying way too much water.
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middle shot, he looks in the sort of condition that might have threatened arnold, but he didn't have the mass/density,
last shot he's got great mass, but he's carrying way too much water.
The warped perspectives of someone who always puts the white BB first: Zane over Nubret, Schwarzenegger over Oliva's no coincidence I'm afraid. ;) Oliva didn't have the mass? LOL One of the stupidest things one could say about Oliva, that's really desperate. Oliva at his best was clearly as good if not better than Schwarzenegger.
As far as washboards, most of the very top BBs with size, including Schwarzenegger, Scott & Oliva, didn't have em. The most important thing was a small waist, not a particularly defined one.
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The warped perspectives of someone who always puts the white BB first: Zane over Nubret, Schwarzenegger over Oliva's no coincidence I'm afraid. ;) Oliva didn't have the mass? LOL One of the stupidest things one could say about Oliva, that's really desperate. Oliva at his best was clearly as good if not better than Schwarzenegger.
As far as washboards, most of the very top BBs with size, including Schwarzenegger, Scott & Oliva, didn't have em. The most important thing was a small waist, not a particularly defined one.
i'm talking about the shots pump.
i know sergio at his best was bigger and a better shape, but the simple fact is that he was usually carrying a bit too much water when he was that size and the second photo is a good example of that.
in the 1st shot he seems to have good condition but somewhat lacking in size (by comparison).
sergio had better shape than arnold and, at his peak, had more size with better proportion, but where arnold adapted to the judging criteria (more definition) sergio didn't. it really is that simple.
you imply that i am racist but if you ask me my personal opinion, i preferred sergio. when i saw arnold for the first time i thought wtf? but when i saw sergio i couldn't believe a man could be that massive with awesome shape. if you asked me who i'd rather look like, zane or nubret? i'd pick nubret every time, 'dark skin and all' ::) btw, my favourite athlete of all time is mike tyson and what colour skin does he have? you getting it yet? my opinion doesn't matter and neither does yours. it's how the are compared up there on stage. you ever heard of the boxing term, 'gym fighter'? that's a guy that looks outstanding in the gym, sparring, hbag, everything and then when he gets on stage whoosh, it's all gone, you wonder what happened. the thing is what the man does in the gym means nothing. what matters is what he does under pressure in the ring being judged and compared.
serge was incredible, no doubt at all, and perhaps he could have beaten a peak zane, but we will never know because he didn't bring it to the stage and go head to head with zane (at zane's best).
people tend to focus on snap shots of serge in the gym or performing his signature pose, but it's a COMPLETELY different story when you're on stage performing mandatories head to head under lights. it is fact that this is the only way you can honestly and reliably compare. imagine if the olympia was contested with a bunch of photos? dennis james would probably win tank top and all.
serge has made somwhat conflicting excuses that he didn't like to compete and then has implied that he was iced out of the olympia by weider. which one is it?
this doesn't hold water when you consider that haney and coleman happen to have won more sandows than anyone and guess what colour they are? they didn't mind competing and i have no problem saying they were easily the best bbers of their respective eras. so where was the racist judging when those guys were winning all those olympias? oliva came before nubret, how did he win those olympias? the way nubret talks it must have been an impossibility, the mighty weider would have simply iced him out ??? ::)
of course sergio makes the same excuses (as nubret) but the fact is sergio's people skills were terrible when it came to business. whereas arnold was always very shrewd and calculated, sergio would price himself out and have tantrums. sergio didn't think beyond his physique, he thought everyone should come to him and if they didn't he would walk. arnold realized it was just a game, he still had to go out there and bust his ass and he ALWAYS left the door open. when arnold came to america HE was the one knocking on doors because, as arrogant as he was, he knew that just having a good physique would do nothing for him. he USED his physique as a tool to open doors that normally he wouldn't have access to. he USED weider and weider used him. they both knew the score. sergio felt he was owed and gave nothing, he responded with emotion, not brains and arnold laughed all the way to the bank.
let you in on a little secret pump. when you become a professional athlete you become a business man. the ONLY thing is getting paying customers. that's it. you can't do that with any longevity by simply showing up because people aren't going to pay money to see the same thing all the time. that's the cold hard reality in EVERY professional sport. when someone comes along that can sell it better, everyone is heading their way. it doesn't matter whether your black, white, yellow or pink with purple poko dots.
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Back in those days, the general consensus was that his biceps were larger than his head.
I wrote an "article" about Sergio challenging Arnold at the International Contest one year in Tiajuana. (The year that Birdson deservedly won it!)
Weider was real protective of Arnold and wouldn't let him go on stage to meet Sergio's challange (it didn't appear that Arnold was anxious to get up there either) but after a lot of yelling back and forth, Franco got up and accepted the challange on Arnold's behalf.
I posted pictures someplace on here if anyone is interested.
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Geezus! :o
Now THAT is a kick-ass pic of Sergio. 8)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/SergioOliva4.jpg)
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Back in those days, the general consensus was that his biceps were larger than his head.
I wrote an "article" about Sergio challenging Arnold at the International Contest one year in Tiajuana. (The year that Birdson deservedly won it!)
Weider was real protective of Arnold and wouldn't let him go on stage to meet Sergio's challange (it didn't appear that Arnold was anxious to get up there either) but after a lot of yelling back and forth, Franco got up and accepted the challange on Arnold's behalf.
I posted pictures someplace on here if anyone is interested.
That would be great to see.
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I'd like to see that as well.
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it's somewhere in the middle of favourite stories of legends sticky.
i'm sorry, i can't remember where but it shouldn't be too hared to find. a couple of pics shown where franco's in good shape but doesn't belong next to the myth.
that sticky is a fantastic read btw. i read every single post line by line (and read them some more, not enough stories). i will never question the accomplishments of onlyme and others there again.
some bloody good stuff in there i'll tell you.