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gh15,
What is are your thoughts regarding hormone replace therapy as one gets older and their own levels decrease? Also what are you thoughts regarding the use of testosterone for HRT versus deca-durabolin and or a combination of each? Does deca-durabolin have any place in HRT and if yes in what combinations and doses?
Thanks
im not a doc my friend,,
what i can tell you is that if you feel sleepy,,,weak and got no test drive past age 40,,id look into it with the doc
testosterone is everything when it comes to hrt. you dont come to hrt therapy with the main approach of building phenominal physiqe,, but inorder to get yourself more agressive and get yourself energized like you were in your 20s and 30s so the wifey and you are happy happy in all aspects.
i would add nandrolone decanoate to testosterone if i looked for muscle building,,,i wouldt if i went for hrt therapy.
dianabol = best drug ever made for bodybuilders
nandrolone = second best drug ever made for bodybuilders
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im not a doc my friend,,
what i can tell you is that if you feel sleepy,,,weak and got no test drive past age 40,,id look into it with the doc
testosterone is everything when it comes to hrt. you dont come to hrt therapy with the main approach of building phenominal physiqe,, but inorder to get yourself more agressive and get yourself energized like you were in your 20s and 30s so the wifey and you are happy happy in all aspects.
i would add nandrolone decanoate to testosterone if i looked for muscle building,,,i wouldt if i went for hrt therapy.
dianabol = best drug ever made for bodybuilders
nandrolone = second best drug ever made for bodybuilders
Thanks much for your response...
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dianabol = best drug ever made for bodybuilders
nandrolone = second best drug ever made for bodybuilders
probably the stupidest thing ive ever read, you're a moron, dont take advice from this clown. test and tren are king.
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at what age do dudes start hrt?
do they do hrt even if they never juiced, or hell, even worked out before?
and yes...i know what hrt is.
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probably the stupidest thing ive ever read, you're a moron, dont take advice from this clown. test and tren are king.
Not necessarily bro. Some very famous physiques were built on D-bol and Deca. Back in the 70's test was considered a dirty drug. Then in the 80's guy started to use large doses of test. If I had to pick one to stay on long term it would be test, BUT tren is way to potent of a drug to take for any length of time. Six weeks would be tops imo.
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I've heard that being said of tren, but not of test.
man made tren, tren makes gods. tren is king, test is a must.
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Not necessarily bro. Some very famous physiques were built on D-bol and Deca. Back in the 70's test was considered a dirty drug. Then in the 80's guy started to use large doses of test. If I had to pick one to stay on long term it would be test, BUT tren is way to potent of a drug to take for any length of time. Six weeks would be tops imo.
im not saying dbol isnt a good drug, or nandrolone, but to say theyre the 2 best bodybuilding drugs ever is ridiculous.
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im not saying dbol isnt a good drug, or nandrolone, but to say theyre the 2 best bodybuilding drugs ever is ridiculous.
I guess it all depends on what you are after. I can tell you that ten IMO is the ONLY drug that will give you problems when used at high doses and long periods of time, but I agree that it is a freaky drug in a class all by itself.
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im not saying dbol isnt a good drug, or nandrolone, but to say theyre the 2 best bodybuilding drugs ever is ridiculous.
im reading the board right now,,so i can answer your sorry ass my friend ;)
trenbolone = cutting agent. i would not use it for anything other than contest prep IF at all! fina is a good drug for strength and for remaining at about the same weight while improving muscle hardness.
trenbolone is not even at the top 5 drugs i would say are a must for a bodybuilder. there are better drugs out there for cutting.
now,,,testosterone on the other hand is a major hormone and i would put it as top 3 drugs for a bodybuilder with dianabol and nandrolone decanoate.
so my friend,,,you are half right about the test.
what i was talking about are bulking drugs for a bodybuilder,, i had to clarify it better
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Not necessarily bro. Some very famous physiques were built on D-bol and Deca. Back in the 70's test was considered a dirty drug. Then in the 80's guy started to use large doses of test. If I had to pick one to stay on long term it would be test, BUT tren is way to potent of a drug to take for any length of time. Six weeks would be tops imo.
Nandrolon sucks worse than TA!
I hate that shit.On the other end of the scale...Test and Dbol with some Arimdex for the fucking win! On Dbol my strength grows lineary on the first couple of weeks its ridicoulas...I love it! ;D
Anavar & Primo cycle for clean gains and claiming bankrupcy ;D :P
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im reading the board right now,,so i can answer your sorry ass my friend ;)
trenbolone = cutting agent. i would not use it for anything other than contest prep IF at all! fina is a good drug for strength and for remaining at about the same weight while improving muscle hardness.
trenbolone is not even at the top 5 drugs i would say are a must for a bodybuilder. there are better drugs out there for cutting.
now,,,testosterone on the other hand is a major hormone and i would put it as top 3 drugs for a bodybuilder with dianabol and nandrolone decanoate.
so my friend,,,you are half right about the test.
what i was talking about are bulking drugs for a bodybuilder,, i had to clarify it better
Tren have the highest affinity to the androgen receptors 3-5 times more than Test.
Its handsdown the strongest and most efficient drug out there.
I planed many cycles that were based on Tren & Test for friends and they have amazing results.
Its a great drug for any purpose and shines the most when you want massive CLEAN gains.
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Nandrolon sucks worse than TA!
I hate that shit.On the other end of the scale...Test and Dbol with some Arimdex for the fucking win! On Dbol my strength grows lineary on the first couple of weeks its ridicoulas...I love it! ;D
Anavar & Primo cycle for clean gains and claiming bankrupcy ;D :P
Wonder how much someone would gain then on Tren alone.
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let me save you some money and tell you the way up from 200lb to the 230-250 zone while maintaining about same bf% or less
diannabol+testosterone+nandrolone decanoate (id only use norma or organon) should = 25-30lb in less than 6-7 weeks.
past the 5th week take the dianabol out.
add dianabol back in on the 10th week and add in growth at the same time. use the dbol for 4-5 more weeks and the growth for few months. this will add you another 10-15lb.
should end up at 240-250 with about same bf% if not less (depend on diet) within 3-4 months.
*legit human grade hormones a must!
**doses should be increased second time around with the dianabol (go from 45-50mg to 60-70mg second time)
***test should be at 750mg per week and nandrolone decanoate can do its trick at 400mg per week if legit human grade
****eat! dont forget to eat,,training is not as important as eating.
*****dont argue with me because this is what we all do,,just comply. slin not a must.
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Wonder how much someone would gain then on Tren alone.
5lb,,solid 5. its a strength drug we use mainly for cutting,,defenitely not recommended by me for bulking. infact it will SLOW your gains during bulking.
i dont have any reason to not like tren,,,it is a good drug but you gotta know when to use it and for what.
ive tried any tren on the market because i own the fuckin poweders and it IS NOT a bulking drug and never will be.
tren+gh will make a nice cutter.
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How many pounds of muscle gain you realistically gain on a wussy 12 week stack? ??? Is there any value in only running one course of gear and never juicing again?
Yes there is,in a well planed 12 weeks cycle you can gain quite alot of pure muscle and much more than you think will stay on you.
Not to mention it will help developing your CNS,help you get past a breaking point,give you renewed motivation for training and much more.All of this while have no long term side effects.
let me save you some money and tell you the way up from 200lb to the 230-250 zone while maintaining about same bf% or less
diannabol+testosterone+nandrolone decanoate (id only use norma or organon) should = 25-30lb in less than 6-7 weeks.
past the 5th week take the dianabol out.
add dianabol back in on the 10th week and add in growth at the same time. use the dbol for 4-5 more weeks and the growth for few months. this will add you another 10-15lb.
should end up at 240-250 with about same bf% if not less (depend on diet) within 3-4 months.
*legit human grade hormones a must!
**doses should be increased second time around with the dianabol (go from 45-50mg to 60-70mg second time)
***test should be at 750mg per week and nandrolone decanoate can do its trick at 400mg per week if legit human grade
****eat! dont forget to eat,,training is not as important as eating.
*****dont argue with me because this is what we all do,,just comply. slin not a must.
70mg of Dbol is pretty overboard but I have seen people on 50+ Dbol and 30-40 Stromba and some other orals and injectables ....and not die :D
Wonder how much someone would gain then on Tren alone.
Just about the same if not more than what he will gain on Test alone.
Dont forget its also a factor of the level of development he is.
Coleman will lose muscle on anything less than 1g of Test while most people will explode on that :D
My point being ,you dont have to go nuts all the time.Its gets wasted alot of times with people going overboard.
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5lb,,solid 5. its a strength drug we use mainly for cutting,,defenitely not recommended by me for bulking. infact it will SLOW your gains during bulking.
i dont have any reason to not like tren,,,it is a good drug but you gotta know when to use it and for what.
ive tried any tren on the market because i own the fuckin poweders and it IS NOT a bulking drug and never will be.
tren+gh will make a nice cutter.
My point exactly. Anyone who has used tren is usually using test and other shit so they have no clue. I never recommend tren until 6 weeks out.
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let me save you some money and tell you the way up from 200lb to the 230-250 zone while maintaining about same bf% or less
diannabol+testosterone+nandrolone decanoate (id only use norma or organon) should = 25-30lb in less than 6-7 weeks.
past the 5th week take the dianabol out.
add dianabol back in on the 10th week and add in growth at the same time. use the dbol for 4-5 more weeks and the growth for few months. this will add you another 10-15lb.
should end up at 240-250 with about same bf% if not less (depend on diet) within 3-4 months.
*legit human grade hormones a must!
**doses should be increased second time around with the dianabol (go from 45-50mg to 60-70mg second time)
***test should be at 750mg per week and nandrolone decanoate can do its trick at 400mg per week if legit human grade
****eat! dont forget to eat,,training is not as important as eating.
*****dont argue with me because this is what we all do,,just comply. slin not a must.
Good post.
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no you wont have toxic problem,,even if you took dianabol for 3 months in a raw,,,you are not abusing it for 3 years none stop,,,nothing will happen.
i recomend the break simply to give your liver a rest,,,and to get your body off it,, so it can repond better to it again 5 weeks later. past 5-6 weeks the body doesnt repond to dbol no more. some stop reponding after 3-4 weeks,,,it all depends on how much lean muscle mass you got.
icn is ok,,its human grade and i dont use it because i dont believe in products that come from the good ole yugoslavia,,they fucked up on product way too many times in 2001 for me to even look at them again.
all in all the recent tests show they are ok and they are indeed human grade so i approve them.
personaly i would use norma hellas test or testovirons from protugal,,but any human grade will do.
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My point exactly. Anyone who has used tren is usually using test and other shit so they have no clue. I never recommend tren until 6 weeks out.
Wrong man,I have seen it for myself.Tren or at least Tren without Test can build you pleny of muscle.
Remember it sits on the same receptor as Test while having 5 times more affinity...it have all the added effects that Test.
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I'm not a huge orals fan but I think that the toxic issue is unfounded. I've known guys who stayed on dbol over a year straight with no sides. Now, I am NOT recommeding this just telling you what I have seen.
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Wrong man,I have seen it for myself.Tren or at least Tren without Test can build you pleny of muscle.
Remember it sits on the same receptor as Test while having 5 times more affinity...it have all the added effects that Test.
Maybe you have, but I don't think that there would be many guys out there who are using tren alone. I have used para with test and I gotton strong as hell, but not much bigger.
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im reading the board right now,,so i can answer your sorry ass my friend ;)
trenbolone = cutting agent. i would not use it for anything other than contest prep IF at all! fina is a good drug for strength and for remaining at about the same weight while improving muscle hardness.
trenbolone is not even at the top 5 drugs i would say are a must for a bodybuilder. there are better drugs out there for cutting.
now,,,testosterone on the other hand is a major hormone and i would put it as top 3 drugs for a bodybuilder with dianabol and nandrolone decanoate.
so my friend,,,you are half right about the test.
what i was talking about are bulking drugs for a bodybuilder,, i had to clarify it better
this guy is funny. how is dbol or nandrolone better than test, insulin or anadrol for growth, are you joking? so the top 2 bulking drugs are dbol and deca? lord...
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Maybe you have, but I don't think that there would be many guys out there who are using tren alone. I have used para with test and I gotton strong as hell, but not much bigger.
like with deca, cause they're both related..if you dont run enough or no test with tren your dick will go limp. progesterone sides.
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Maybe you have, but I don't think that there would be many guys out there who are using tren alone. I have used para with test and I gotton strong as hell, but not much bigger.
You probably saw pure muscle gains insted of water gains.And when I say water I dont mean bloated face water but more on the likes of the Dbol intercellular water gain.
With Dbol that effect is the best but most drugs have the same effect on intercellular mineral balance,thus causing a temporery real muscle gain.But it goes poof a week after you drop the drug and the minerals balance gets back to normal.
From mine and close friends experiance,Tren is extremly potent to any goal.
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You're a conservative...so why are you running gear? ???
No flame. Discuss.
Because unlike you he can think for himself and not follow the herd? ::)
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You probably saw pure muscle gains insted of water gains.And when I say water I dont mean bloated face water but more on the likes of the Dbol intercellular water gain.
With Dbol that effect is the best but most drugs have the same effect on intercellular mineral balance,thus causing a temporery real muscle gain.But it goes poof a week after you drop the drug and the minerals balance gets back to normal.
From mine and close friends experiance,Tren is extremly potent to any goal.
I'm seriously interested in where you got the info on Dbol and other drugs having an "effect" on "intercellular mineral balance,thus causing a temporery real muscle gain". Also, what is this effect and how does it equate to real muscle gain that subsides in about a week.
I'm seriously interested in where you got the info on Dbol and other drugs having an "effect" on "intercellular mineral balance,thus causing a temporery real muscle gain". Also, what is this effect and how does it equate to real muscle gain that subsides in about a week.
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I wish I saved that article.But as you know steroids effect the intercellular mineral balance.The most known effect is the positive Nitrogen with Dbol.
There are other minerals in your cells,certain drugs cause a retantion of some of them thus causing your cells to grow and retain more minerals and water in the cell.Now this isnt water that gets retain in your skin and make you look bloated.
When you stop using the certain drug that caused this imbalance your body gets back to its normal mineral balance.Now when that happens you drop the minerals and water from the cells.Thus losing real muscle.
Im sure you have experianced the massive gains from the first 2 weeks of DBol and while keeping the exact BF% but gaining 5lbs on the first week and 5%+ strength,these are caused directly from that.Same when you go off Dbol.
I will try and find some articles on the subject and post them.
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this guy is funny. how is dbol or nandrolone better than test, insulin or anadrol for growth, are you joking? so the top 2 bulking drugs are dbol and deca? lord...
you are arguing with the mountain about how to build a hill,,, insulin = fat if not used correctly,, or irresponder if bf% is not low enough. even if used correctly inorder to make it a superb hormone it gotta be used with gh and testostetone.
anadrol = a drug that i find no place for in bodybuilding because it was never meant for building muscle,,it is for treatment of anemia and the doses needed for major results are not worthy of the side effects,,mainly the appetite killing and the depressed mood.
testosterone = top 3 bodybuilding drugs indeed.
the reason i put dianabol and deca as the best drugs ever for a bodybuilder is the ability of them both to put a massive amout of size/muscle on a frame while maintaining side effects to minimum.
now,,,test can be included with this group too,,,the reason i put it at third place is out of my own preference. it makes some people a little too agressive for it to be placed 1 and 2. dianabol = happy happy high feeling big blown and swole,,test = big blown swole and agressive!
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I wish I saved that article.But as you know steroids effect the intercellular mineral balance.The most known effect is the positive Nitrogen with Dbol.
There are other minerals in your cells,certain drugs cause a retantion of some of them thus causing your cells to grow and retain more minerals and water in the cell.Now this isnt water that gets retain in your skin and make you look bloated.
When you stop using the certain drug that caused this imbalance your body gets back to its normal mineral balance.Now when that happens you drop the minerals and water from the cells.Thus losing real muscle.
Im sure you have experianced the massive gains from the first 2 weeks of DBol and while keeping the exact BF% but gaining 5lbs on the first week and 5%+ strength,these are caused directly from that.Same when you go off Dbol.
I will try and find some articles on the subject and post them.
Thanks. This is a very interesting topic because obviously a large portion of muscle is fluid. It is obvious that some drugs work very differently than others just by the "look" that you get from them. The look from say Arnolds era has a different look than guys from today. The guys from the 90's still have that Arnold era look, but only more so, but guy today look for the most part terrible. Not all mind you, but most IMO. The difference is drugs.
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IFBBwannaB still hasn't replied to this:
I think you're confusing me with somebody else.
My question to him is: as a conservative who have such a primitive view on drugs, why is he doing them? That goes against a conservative framework.
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IFBBwannaB still hasn't replied to this:
I dont know what his views about anything are.
But I do know that you cant be just one thing,you should go and examine every subject and decide.You cant say Im conservative so I dont this and this and this....even though I dont belive its wrong.
Chris Rock "regarding crime,Im a conservative...regarding prostetotion Im liberal" :D
And no I didnt confuse you,you are quite a pain in the ass.You used to cry about drugs here on a daily basis...and now you are asking for cycles....so who is the hypocrate now boy?
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they look different now because of HGH and Insulin, thats the diff look, guys still took quite a bit in the 90s, infact whilst i think guys today take more, its not that much more, its the hgh and slin look thats in, where lines arent as defined they are blurred and physiques certainly arent stremlined, as everyones so full now including through the guts
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Why are you being a dick? ???
Yes, good points about being conservative in some areas and liberal in others. I agree. Delusional Liberal seemed pretty against liberals though, so presumably that would be in all aspects.
However, I still maintain (and gh15 who is an expert would agree) that drugs are a HUGE part of bodybuilding progress. Not that there is anything wrong with them, but let's not underplay their effectiveness.
Im not being a dick Im being honest.You take it as hostility since you know Im right.
You used to post how every bodybuilder is nothing but a junky and that steroids will just about kill you if you even look at them.
I really want to see what you will say after you first cycle.If you want to get some credibility than when you juice switch regimes.
Try slacking and relying on drugs alone,like you claim every pro does,and then switch to working hard.Then tell me what you think.
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Gh is for bulking you prefer deca test dianabol "breat and butter" cycle..
What you like most for cutting up ?
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A gym rat I know swears that the pumps off NOXplode are as good as running a course of juice.
If I could only use one (legal) supplement other then a protein powder it would 100% have to be NO-Xplode, it just gives you insane amounts of lol unnecessary energy, I find my muscle are spent before my energy levels ever go down, expect to push 120% on the regular using that shit. ;D
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It's funny because two juicers told me pretty well the same thing. Sounds like a damn good supplement, one of the few that may actually be worth the money.
Supplements=not FDA controled=who knows whats in it=dangerous=some use old steroids that never got to the market because they were too shity ,so they never made it to the banned list.
Should I go on?
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If you want lifelong gains, stay away from anabolics. It will require balls of steel and guts but anyone can do it.
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no you wont have toxic problem,,even if you took dianabol for 3 months in a raw,,,you are not abusing it for 3 years none stop,,,nothing will happen.
i recomend the break simply to give your liver a rest,,,and to get your body off it,, so it can repond better to it again 5 weeks later. past 5-6 weeks the body doesnt repond to dbol no more. some stop reponding after 3-4 weeks,,,it all depends on how much lean muscle mass you got.
icn is ok,,its human grade and i dont use it because i dont believe in products that come from the good ole yugoslavia,,they fucked up on product way too many times in 2001 for me to even look at them again.
all in all the recent tests show they are ok and they are indeed human grade so i approve them.
personaly i would use norma hellas test or testovirons from protugal,,but any human grade will do.
I tought they have discountinued the production of testosterone depo - icn's... in 2004 my friend
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Interesting. Makes sense too. Your English has also been improving lately. Good work.
My English is quite well,its just depends on if Im concetrated or not when I type.I dont use a spell check and I dont really care since most people here are retards anyway.
I actualy did TOFEL and IELTS exams a long time ago when I thought about studying abroad and got a good enough grade to study in an academic institute.
Actualy now Im planing on going to MIT for my MS....well at least I wish it will happen :-\
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Interesting. Makes sense too. Your English has also been improving lately. Good work.
BTW that also explains why some of them actualy work and have many side effects.
I have juicers friends that tried some prohormons and other supposedly hardcore supps and they got really scared.
They reported massive side effects,and noticeable gains.
Do remember that steroids are at least controled,when you buy Sustanon you buy from a huge pharm company that apply the highest standarts in the world,and you can find thousends of articles about the product...on prowhoremons....who knows.
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It's funny because two juicers told me pretty well the same thing. Sounds like a damn good supplement, one of the few that may actually be worth the money.
You gotta be kidding me. AFIAC NO supplements are nothing but a scam. Some arginine and caffeine, what a joke!
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I'm seriously interested in where you got the info on Dbol and other drugs having an "effect" on "intercellular mineral balance,thus causing a temporery real muscle gain". Also, what is this effect and how does it equate to real muscle gain that subsides in about a week.
AAS in general cause mineral retention. Also why non-aromatizing steroids can and will cause water retention. It's not just estrogen that causes water retention. It's at least partly through an effect on the kidneys I believe.
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You gotta be kidding me. AFIAC NO supplements are nothing but a scam. Some arginine and caffeine, what a joke!
Douche bag... You obiviously have never seen/read the ingrediants list for NO-Xplode have you ???
Here you go dumbass ::)
Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Scoop (20.5g)
Servings Per Container: 40
Amount Per Serving:
Calories: 36
-Calories From Fat: 0
Total Fat: 0g
-Saturated Fat: 0g
Cholesterol: 0mg
Sodium: 150mg
Potassium: 75mg
Total Carbohydrates: 9g
-Sugars: 0g
Protein: 0g
Vitamin B6: 25mg
-(Pyridoxine HCL)
Vitamin B12: 120mcg
-(Cyanocobalamine)
Folic Acid: 400mcg
Magnesium: 360mg
Phosphorus: 500mg
Calcium: 75mg
NO-Xplode Proprietary Blend: 20,500mg
(NO-Xplode Contains a patent pending nutrient suspension matrix & Efforsorb Delivery System)
NO Meta-Fusion (patent pending)
(L-arginine AKG, Citral-M (citrulline malate), L-citrulline AKG, L-histidine AKG, RC-NOS (rutacarpine 95%), gynostemma pentaphyllum (95% gypenosides), NAD (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide)
Muscle Volumizing Creatine Matrix (patent pending)
CEM3 (creatine ethyl ester malate), 2CM (dicreatine malate), Betapure (trimethylglycine), Glycovol (glycocyamine), GuaniPro (guanidino proplonic acid), Cinnulin PF (aqueous cinnamon extract), keto-isocaproate potassium
Ener-Tropic Xplosion (patent pending)
L-tyrosine, taurine, Endurlac (glucuronolactone), l-tyrosine AKG, methylxanthines (caffeine), MCT's (medium chain triglycerides), vinpocetine 99%, vincamine 99%, vinburnine 99%
Phospho-Electrolyte Replacer
Calcium phosphate, magnesium oxide, potassium phosphate, sodium phosphate
Glycerol Hydrating Polymers
Potassium glycerophosphate, magnesium glycerophosphate, glycerola stearate
Other Ingredients: Maltodextrine, citric acid, sodium bicarbonate, lemon juice powder, malic acid, potassium citrate, natural and artificial flavors, aspartame, acesulfame potassium, FD&C Red 40, FD&C Blue 1.
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Douche bag... You obiviously have never seen/read the ingrediants list for NO-Xplode have you ???
Here you go dumbass ::)
I know perfectly well what it is. I was simplyfying. It's basically Arginine and othe aminos that are supposed to "pump you up". Some creatine for water weight gain and stimulants = Caffeine and some other mildly effective stuff.
Please explain how this is going to help you grow? Sure, if you like the way you "feel" on it, then that's just fine but it's not muscle growth.
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Please explain how this is going to help you grow? Sure, if you like the way you "feel" on it, then that's just fine but it's not muscle growth.
That's the point, it makes you feel very energized and full of power, you can lift for a decent amount of time without any noticeable drop in energy levels and you great pumps all the while.
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Gh is for bulking you prefer deca test dianabol "breat and butter" cycle..
What you like most for cutting up ?
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So would it be wrong to assume that lifting more weight does not cause muscle growth? Sure a supplement like this is no steroid, therefore not causing nitrogen retention leading to growth, but the possibility that one can lift more weight presumably leads to growth.