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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: ali23 on October 11, 2006, 10:10:39 PM
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This guy was born in 1930.. Does anybody have his pictures where he won a show in 1991, at the age of 61 against guys like Milos??
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No but that dude had some insane bicep peaks :o
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This guy was born in 1930.. Does anybody have his pictures where he won a show in 1991, at the age of 61 against guys like Milos??
I thinks he was recently guiding the career of Quincy Taylor.
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Not from 91' this is one awesome shot..........
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WOW that looks so complete!
Please don't ruin it by posting a weak bodypart he should be remembered by that!
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Not from 91' this is one awesome shot..........
I think that shot was from 91 Niagra Falls Pro
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This guy was born in 1930.. Does anybody have his pictures where he won a show in 1991, at the age of 61 against guys like Milos??
Albert Beckles
Height 5'7"
Weight 218
Born July 14, 1938
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Not from 91' this is one awesome shot..........
Awesome, one of my all time favorites.
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IMO that's a better back than cutler's. Definition is crazy.
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I think these are from that show
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/beckles/ab199.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/beckles/ab201.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/beckles/ab207.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/beckles/ab198.jpg)
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I think these are from that show
Nope. These are from 1987 Mr.O.
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Nope. These are from 1987 Mr.O.
God damnit, well the site I got these from could possibly have them but I don't feel like looking again.
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Mmmm. I think his final win was....maybe...Niagara falls pro invitational.
Does anyone has guts to find out his pics of that?
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I ran into to him at a store last year. He still looks to be in very good condition. Maybe because guys of that era relied on training.
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I saw him in Philly last fall. He's now sponsored by a company called XS. He looked great for his age.
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Albert Beckles
Height 5'7"
Weight 218
Born July 14, 1938
Lots of controversy about Beckles age.
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I think that shot was from 91 Niagra Falls Pro
NAHHH...85 olympia era, maybe 84, I don't remember the background but it's def. not from 91. Albert won the 91 Niagra beating sunny schmidt if I remember right and in all honesty it was a gift, Albert looked great up until about 88 then he started going downhill. I have the 86 olympia on tape, taped off of ESPN and Albert looks freakin fantastic in that show, best back there besides Haney.
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One of the many great things of training in Mr Americas in 84 was training next to guys like Beckles, hanging at the desk and learning all you could about diet, training as him and the other pros talked. They spoke about alot more than the bodybuilders today, very into nutrition and training strategies.
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Lots of controversy about Beckles age.
I was going to say the same thing
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Albert Beckles
Height 5'7"
Weight 218
Born July 14, 1938
nop, he was born in 1930...
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nop, he was born in 1930...
No ( of course...)
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nop, he was born in 1930...
I'm pretty sure Joe Roark disputed the 1930 date and that's why muscle memory now lists 1938. Who is to say what date is correct with absolute certainty? Unless you have a copy of his Birth Certificate.
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Albert looked fucking great
I like the quality and hardness of his muscles
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I'm pretty sure Joe Roark disputed the 1930 date and that's why muscle memory now lists 1938. Who is to say what date is correct with absolute certainty? Unless you have a copy of his Birth Certificate.
milos himself mentioned he lost to a 61 year old.. i think he would know..
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Nope. These are from 1987 Mr.O.
actually, those are from the 1988 Mr. O. where Al placed 15th. You can tell by the squares in the background.
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my bad.. you are correct. I thought I was wrong once before, but I was mistaken 8)
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10990.0;id=15253;image)
from the real 1988 show
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I have also seen Beckles DOB listed as 1930 or 1938 but have yet to see any absolute proof regarding his actual year of birth.Maybe hes between the 2 years for all anyone knows!This man to this day still has the freakiest bicep peak of any bb'er I remember seeing.Think it was a Flex mag cover back in the day that i remember as being unreal because his arm was so freaky in it yet in the pic he was just relaxed & holding a pool cue.
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one thing I noticed crusing through the thread over at ironage is how happy everyone seemed to be onstage.
you don't see that kind of fun onstage nowadays.
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actually, those are from the 1988 Mr. O. where Al placed 15th. You can tell by the squares in the background.
actually your wrong. those are from the 1987 mr. olympia. I still have the M&F. The 88 olympia's background was black. at the 87 olympia i believe the placing were Haney, Gaspar-looking HUge for the time but blocky, Labrada, Christian, Robinson, Demay and then Albert. The 87 olympia featured the background shown and I believe the guys posed on a platform, I might be wrong, I have to dig that M&F out. I'd state my rep on that being the 87 O.
opps...sorry Hulkster, I typed this up then realized that you already said you were sorry....I just didn't feel like wasting all the typing I'd done... :D :D
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This guy was born in 1930.. Does anybody have his pictures where he won a show in 1991, at the age of 61 against guys like Milos??
I can't help you out but I'd instead like to share some fucking awesome pics.
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I have the British magazines from when Albert moved to England. Beckles was age 25 when he moved to England in 1964.
Even Albert insisted on being age 46 in 1984, but after that matters changed.
There is an overwhelming amount of supportive reference for a birth year of 1938- even from Albert himself...until 1984.. then the storyline changes.
When Albert competed in England, he competed in the general contests, not the masters- for which he would have been eligible were he born in 1930. Some of the men he competed against were commented upon as being advanced in years- he was not in that group.
My lengthy article on the matter is at cyperpump.com is anyone cares to pursue the matter. I spent many months chasing down dates, places, comparing ages and in my mind there is no doubt Albert was born in 1938.
When Albert sent me a copy of his passport the year of birth was not 1930 but 193o... Not sure what happened but it takes little imagination to change 1938 to 193o.
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Two pairs of the best peaked biceps ever!
(http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/tjwes/coe++beccles.jpg)
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A picture of beckles at the 2006 olympia with Taylor.
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I'm pretty sure Joe Roark disputed the 1930 date and that's why muscle memory now lists 1938. Who is to say what date is correct with absolute certainty? Unless you have a copy of his Birth Certificate.
I thought MuscleMagInternational published a copy of his birth Certificate a few years back.
The Beef
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its often claimed he was born 1930...but the guy was born 1938.
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didnt know he was that short
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here's a clip from the 1982 Mr O. his upper body is bananas.
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Labrada had no business beating Christian in 1987!
why do you say that? don't say cause Christian was taller either, lets hear some real reasons. I'm not trying to be combative I'd just like to know your logic behind that statement.
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here's a clip from the 1982 Mr O. his upper body is bananas.
Great posing!
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Aside from being bigger and taller, Mike was also harder. Even with weak legs, he was no slouch for symmetry either!
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I thought Mike was off at this show. Mike had an awsome back, chest, shoulders and arms but no calfs, shakey quads and I don't think he had good hamstrings at this point in his career. I remember him holding water and Mike never had great abs, he had a tiny waist but his abs never stood out. Labrada had everything, his only downfall was his height, and his legs crushed Mike's. I like Mike and all but I think Lee had his number at this point in thier careers...I don't have the pics in front of me and I'm going off of memory so maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it's that far out of reality that Lee beat him. Mike really hit his stride when he hooked up with Charles Glass and started winning everything in site on the spring circut..I think that was in 89, maybe i'm wrong but he looked awsome at the last Pro world.
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Mike Christians best ever shape was probably, believe it or not, the 1990 Mr. Olympia.
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Mike Christians best ever shape was probably, believe it or not, the 1990 Mr. Olympia.
I might agree with this statement. I think Mike looked his best when he was on the Euro tour trading off wins with Strydom, was that 89? I don't have any photos in front of me but Mike looked awsome at the 90 olympia, that show was between Shawn and Mike.
I don't know...and I honestly felt Labrada wasn't as ripped as Christian.
Check out more info here:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1987mrolympiadvdreview.html
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympiareport1987.html
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia1987/234.jpg)
I'll check it out and get back to ya.
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Many women have said that Albert Beckles has a freckle on his smeckle...
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I see his wiki says he is 91.
Is that actually true?
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Yeah Albert is 91!
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Last I heard he was having a lot of trouble with his back. No one stays young forever. To think his best bodybuilding years were in his 50's in mind boggling.
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I see his wiki says he is 91.
Is that actually true?
He was born anywhere between 1930 - 1938.
(article cleaned up a bit to remove formatting problems)
"Al Beckles's Age by Joe Roark
This week we weave through the wandering web of age discrepancies regarding Al Beckles. Currently, Al enjoys keeping his age a secret. But in the early years his age can be traced by tracking certain events and his participation in those events, and by simply noting age references and counting backwards to determine his age within one year of accuracy. Let's have some fun!
First, it should be understood that Al has two brothers and four sisters; both his brothers and he have the middle name Alphonso. Oscar is the eldest, Aubrey, the middle, and Al the youngest of the Beckles boys.
What follows is a sampling of my files in regard to age references pertaining to Al Beckles.
Health & Strength (H&S) Nov 3, 1960 recounts the contest at Chorley, the Mr. East Lancs event which Oscar Alphonso Beckles, having arrived too late to participate, guest posed: Too late to enter the competition was a new arrival in the country, the current Mr. Barbados, Al Beckers [sic], who volunteered to pose for us. The commentary continues that some onlookers felt they were witnessing the posing of the man who would be the next Mr. Universe. Note: this was not Al, but Al's oldest brother.
Two weeks later- H&S was published fortnightly at that time carried coverage on the Mr. England event in Manchester. Six years later in the Mar 17, 1966 issue, Harry Rothery recalled this event: There seems to be some controversy about the identity of one of the Instructors, namely Albert Beckles, who you may remember came third in his class in the 1965 Mr. Universe Contest. Some readers contend that he has appeared in Physique Contests before 1965. To put the record straight I would like to say that Albert, to the best of my knowledge, has never appeared in a Physique Contest before 1965, although he has taken part in Weightlifting Contests in Barbados. His brother. Alfonse Beckles has, however taken part in Physique Contests and he came third in Mr. England Contest in 1961 [sic]. He trained then, and still lives, in the County of Lancashire, but tells me he no longer takes part in any Contests because of family commitments.
So any physique contests mentioning Al Beckles or Al Beckers before 1965 are not referring to the man currently known as Al Beckles, but to his older brother. To continue:
In the Sep 2, 1965 issue of H&S George Greenwood profiles Al Beckles and offers these comments, summarized: Al was then age 27 [1938]. He has been training for bodybuilding for six months [March 1965]. Al's first physique contest was the Aug 21, 1965 Mr. Southeast Counties.
In H&S Jan 6, 1966 when Heidenstam discusses the advanced ages of some competitors. He mentions Reg Park at 37, George Paine at 38.5, Paul Wynter at 30, but does not mention Beckles, who by his current calculations would have then been 34.5, but then was probably 26.5 and fell under the age 30 break off point for Oscar's purposes.
H&S Oct 26, 1967 inside front cover photo, and age 29 [1938].
H&S Apr 11, 1968 age 28 [1939, remember July birthday]
Now let's switch to Ironman magazine:
Feb 1966 Age 27 [1938]
Jul 1967 reports his 3rd place finish in Mr. Britain. If Al were 36 at this event, why did he not enter the senior event for those over age 35? Because he was in fact age 28?
Dec 1967 age 29 at Mr. Universe
Jan 1970 age 31 at 1969 Mr. Universe
Sep 1974 age 33
Mar 1982 In answer to the question, "How old are you right now?" Al is quoted as replying, "Right now I'm 42." Though this interview appeared in 1982, it took place in 1981, so we are back at 1938/1939.
NOW PAY ATTENTION, please, it becomes confusing!
In those days Ironman was published every other month, and by the July issue of Ironman (two issues after the above quoted issue) in an article by Gary Bartlett appear these words in reference to Beckles, He is over 40 years old. In that same issue in an article by Antuck we read, Albert Beckles of England is 46 years old. That age of 46 was also reported the following year for Al's appearance at the 1982 Mr. Olympia.
Then in Ironman Nov 1983, by Bartlett, Many people really do not know Albert's real age and rumors have stated that he is past 50. However, most of us believe he is about 47. [1936] But Bartlett six months later is writing, I mean, the man is 52 years of age. So what changed in that half a year to cause Albert to become 5 years older? Stay tuned. By March 1985 he is reported by the same author to be age 54, but by the next issue is back to 53.
By now, Jim Manion's perplexity can be shared by careful followers when he offered in Ironman Nov 1985 that Al was 51 or 112 or however old Al owns up to.
By Mar 1986 Bartlett settles for describing the age as 50 plus year old Al Beckles, but if Al was born in 1938, he would not become 50 until 1988. Bothersome details.
Lonnie Teper asks in Ironman Aug 1991, "some people claim Albert is really only 53 instead of 61, does it matter?" Does eight years difference matter????? Let's see, If the cutoff for the Masters Olympia is age 40, should we allow a 32 year old to compete anyway? Does it matter? If the record books are skewed because ANYONE claims eight years additional age, does it matter, who was the oldest competitor in a contest? Does it matter that misleading statements are made about age? It depends on what is at stake. If a 25 year old fitness model claims she is really 33, will the audience buying the product line she claims has stopped her aging process, be tricked?
The reply will be that "Well, Al looks good at any age." And, of course, he did and does. But he looks good at one age, the current, accurate, age.
Let's continue. Muscle Training Illustrated Jan 1986. We know Al began bodybuilding training in 1965, so the reference here that says "When I started training at 28" puts his birth year, again, at 1937/1938. Al told Flex magazine in Jan 1986 that it had taken him 27 or 28 years in the sport to arrive at his current knowledge, so counting back from 1985 when the interview took place, we arrive at 1953/1954 for a starting date for when he began training; compare this to 1965. I am just about ready to accept the age of 112 and be done with it!
Muscular Development Feb 1972 says Al is 32 years of age, married with two children, and does clerical work. Clerical work? With numbers? And his age is a mystery? Mama help me.
Was it always thus? Nope. Flex magazine July 1984 there's the question of age. Forty five, he swears. The interview would have been before his birthday in July 1984, so counting back from 1983, gives us 1938.
Can Wayne Demilia be blamed for some of the confusion? Bill Dobbins wrote in that same issue of Flex (July 1984) Wayne Demilia says Beckles is 52, but Beckles claims he's only 46. So we have 45 and 46 and 52 from the same issue of Flex.
In a nutshell, here is the problem: Jerry Kindela of Flex, revealed in the Jan 1986 issue, When asked if he would like to clear up the age issue by giving his exact date of birth, AB said: "No, I like it just the way it is."
Unfortunately as Men's Historian for the IFBB, I do not like it to be confused. In my record books did Al compete from age 37 through age 53 as I think, or from age 45 through 61 as the other numbers indicate?
I think you may know the answer now. "
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You can see Joe Roark's original posts here - https://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/23727 . 1938 is what he thinks it the accurate year, and the above lays out an accurate case for it.
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Regardless of his age.........he had a helluva` physique!!
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I remember hearing a rumor that Weider used that age thing as a gimmick and he wasn’t really as old as he was reported to be at the time.