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Didnt have the chance to go through them all yet.
But I thought you and others will like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d0X...related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Fm...related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpck...related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEg6...related&search=
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He's prolly seen them all before mate ;D
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I have shown that video to a few believers of the official story - they all agree that the Loose Change kids completely pwn the Pop mechanics guys.
Popular mechanics *used* to be the source that politicians used to prove the official story. Then, they went on a radio show, and for 18 minutes they were completely embarassed. They were given a list of statements they had made, and asked questions to support the claims, and they basically couldn't do it.
I smile everyday lately when I tun on the news and see 911 pieces. A lot of really smart people who were closed minded to it before are learning the truth, and they're often pretty pissed off when they do :)
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I have shown that video to a few believers of the official story - they all agree that the Loose Change kids completely pwn the Pop mechanics guys.
Popular mechanics *used* to be the source that politicians used to prove the official story. Then, they went on a radio show, and for 18 minutes they were completely embarassed. They were given a list of statements they had made, and asked questions to support the claims, and they basically couldn't do it.
I smile everyday lately when I tun on the news and see 911 pieces. A lot of really smart people who were closed minded to it before are learning the truth, and they're often pretty pissed off when they do :)
Rob: 'Apophenia.' Look into to it.
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Christ if you believe that "us is responsible for 911" you're even dumber than bush.
God damn, lets have a hooraa for hating hippies. FYI, that woman is actually only 26. If she ate some fuckin meat instead of all bran every day, maybe her hair would still be brown.
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I have shown that video to a few believers of the official story - they all agree that the Loose Change kids completely pwn the Pop mechanics guys.
Popular mechanics *used* to be the source that politicians used to prove the official story. Then, they went on a radio show, and for 18 minutes they were completely embarassed. They were given a list of statements they had made, and asked questions to support the claims, and they basically couldn't do it.
I smile everyday lately when I tun on the news and see 911 pieces. A lot of really smart people who were closed minded to it before are learning the truth, and they're often pretty pissed off when they do :)
Oh, no, not you. too! Tell me you don't really, truly believe 9/11 involves a big U.S. government conspiracy. :'(
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Christ if you believe that "us is responsible for 911" you're even dumber than bush.
God damn, lets have a hooraa for hating hippies. FYI, that woman is actually only 26. If she ate some fuckin meat instead of all bran every day, maybe her hair would still be brown.
Beener, I am a Republican with a masters degree. I watch the news for a few hours a day, read 3 newspapers, and I've studied the hell out of 9/11. It was an inside job.
I know, you might have seen it on TV some 61 months ago, so you're probably an expert on the subject... ;)
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Oh, no, not you. too! Tell me you don't really, truly believe 9/11 involves a big U.S. government conspiracy. :'(
Nope - just a small group of federal employees who did things that day which allowed it to happen.
It sure as heck wasn't the 19 idiots on the planes who told NORAD to turn all their planes around and circle in the ocean at 500 mph for 45 minutes, instead of coming in at 1875 mph and dropping those planes.
It sure as heck wasn't 19 idiots who postponed the investigation for a year and a half, then did a rushed, half assed job, refusing to let firefighters testify about bomb blasts.
There's a million other items, but hey, you get the point. yes, it was 19 muslim pricks on the planes. But they had some help from evil guys in ties who are still getting their paychecks.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAH HAHAHAHAHHA Christ 240 you've really lost my vote. I thought you were a cool guy, but wow. Wow. You really think that a gov't could cover up something that would take thousands of poeple staying quiet about.
Bet you think we never landed on the moon either eh.
Someone put up that clip of Buzz Aldrin punching that fucking hippie in the face. That should happend to all of those conspiracy nuts.
Yknow, people give bush a hard time, and while he isnt the brightest guy, and hasn't done all the right things, hes a patriot and would never kill his own people like that.
Im not even an american and im embarased that you call yourself american
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No, it'd just be a couple dozen people here that would have to be quiet. And since Donale Rumsfeld announced 2.3 TRILLION missing from the Dept of Defense on SEPT 10th - there's plenty of $ there to keep folks quiet.
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Yknow, people give bush a hard time, and while he isnt the brightest guy, and hasn't done all the right things, hes a patriot and would never kill his own people like that.
I believe that Bush was a pawn on that day.
And I don't know if you follow history, but in the past, our country has lied about actions which cost american lives in order to encourage the population to support a war. pearl harbor, Gulf of Tonken, 1967 USS Liberty -- in all of these, the govt let an attack happen or just plain invented an attack, to get us into wars.
This is all declassified historical record, dude. CNN doesnt talk about it. but it's true. We faked the Gulf of tonken to get into vietnam. We had our own ship fired upon in 67, and LBJ refused to let the maimed boat be rescued as it was shelled.
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No, it'd just be a couple dozen people here that would have to be quiet. And since Donale Rumsfeld announced 2.3 TRILLION missing from the Dept of Defense on SEPT 10th - there's plenty of $ there to keep folks quiet.
Whatever you liberal!!!!!! :P
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I've learned that you cant change hippies minds, you can just beat the shit outa them till they say " ok ok they did land on the moon"
Ahhhh i loved highschool
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I've learned that you cant change hippies minds, you can just beat the shit outa them till they say " ok ok they did land on the moon"
Ahhhh i loved highschool
I hate hippies, and i can't stand liberals. I voted for Bush twice. 911 was allowed to happen by a very small group of neoconservatives which do not represent the majority of Republicans. I'd be kicking the crap out of the hippies with you. Then I would show you a documentary which shows the buildings were brought down in a controlled demolition.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782&q=Improbable+Collapse
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I hate hippies, and i can't stand liberals. I voted for Bush twice. 911 was allowed to happen by a very small group of neoconservatives which do not represent the majority of Republicans. I'd be kicking the crap out of the hippies with you. Then I would show you a documentary which shows the buildings were brought down in a controlled demolition.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782&q=Improbable+Collapse
Ok im liking you again, we should go to a protest some time and whoop some ass. I did that once, it was fun.
I still dont agree about 9/11 but whateva:P
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There's a million other items, but hey, you get the point. yes, it was 19 muslim pricks on the planes. But they had some help from evil guys in ties who are still getting their paychecks.
Controlled demolitions, then?
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Controlled demolitions, then?
The airplanes scared people, caused a lot of damage, and killed people. But there were bomb blasts in the basement approx 15 seconds BEFORE the planes hit. This was evidenced by seismic data, witness testimony, and of course, smoke clouds 400 feet tall which were completely unrelated to the plane damage up top.
The airplanes had a purpose, but they clearly could not have brought down the buildings so quickly, so neatly, so completely.
There is a VERY good reason that many are beginning to quesiton the Official 911 story - they don't believe it. It's really hard to get past that first step - to "deprogram" what you know about 911. But once you do that, it's much easier to read thru the info about that day.
The 19 arab pricks were very much a part of the day. They were patsies to direct blame to. The men who redirected the planes, placed charges in the buildings, posponed the investigation, lied about the shanksville shootdown, and confiscated then denied all the Pentagon videos - they are white, war ties, and prefer to stay anonymous. Hell, Atta got into a fight with a man in the parking lot at the airport that AM. He is a patsy, designed to get attention, be remembered, and do something evil beyond the capabilities he possesses.
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Beener, I am a Republican with a masters degree that I obtained on the internet. I'm thinking of ordering a doctorate now. In b/w making my posts on getbig, I watch the news for a few hours a day and surf conspiracy forums maintained by white supremacists. It was an inside job.
Love your honesty, 240.
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Love your honesty, 240.
See AlG, you practically make my point about attacking the messenger and not the message.
I put forth events that occurred on 9/11 which could not have been done by the 19 assholes on the planes. Instead of debating these points, you attack me.
I don't blame ya tho. I sure as heck wouldn't want to try to defend the official story at this point. It's loaded with holes, and many neutral people will no longer defend it.
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See AlG, you practically make my point about attacking the messenger and not the message.
I put forth events that occurred on 9/11 which could not have been done by the 19 assholes on the planes. Instead of debating these points, you attack me.
I don't blame ya tho. I sure as heck wouldn't want to try to defend the official story at this point. It's loaded with holes, and many neutral people will no longer defend it.
I find the phenomenon that is 240 far more interesting.
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The airplanes scared people, caused a lot of damage, and killed people. But there were bomb blasts in the basement approx 15 seconds BEFORE the planes hit. This was evidenced by seismic data, witness testimony, and of course, smoke clouds 400 feet tall which were completely unrelated to the plane damage up top.
Is there a source that documents all this? I'd like to see it. All I have seen is this:
http://www.911myths.com/html/seismic_record.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/seismic_record.html)
The airplanes had a purpose, but they clearly could not have brought down the buildings so quickly, so neatly, so completely.
Hmm...I'm not so sure.
Mind you, it wouldn't surprise me for a second that someone in our government was in on it; as you said, that's not without precedent. If there's solid proof that the planes alone didn't bring the towers down, I'll be the first to consider it. But so far, every argument I've heard about the buildings' clean collapse has lacked something -- like the Brigham Young guy who seemed to think it strange that glowing-hot steel was found in one building's basement. What about GPE and work-heating? Thousands of tons of stuff falling a great distance (about a quarter kiloton of energy total, IIRC) wouldn't have the same effect...why? ???
And didn't that same guy harp on the vertical collapse thing as proof of a controlled demolition? I've never known of one which had the kind of debris spread that the Towers did, though, and I would rather expect them to largely fall in the direction of gravity anyway.
It sure makes for an interesting discussion, regardless. If we have been so badly mislead, more people need to speak up about it!
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Is there a source that documents all this? I'd like to see it. All I have seen is this:
http://www.911myths.com/html/seismic_record.html (http://www.911myths.com/html/seismic_record.html)
Yes! And thank you for asking :)
If you wanna see the science behind why the collapse was impossible, check out: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+blue+media&hl=en
ok- the seismic hits-
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/Article911SeismicProof.html
the basement blasts- WTC Janitor William Rodriguez -
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6625
the smoke plumes-
from CNN's coverage.
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Mind you, it wouldn't surprise me for a second that someone in our government was in on it; as you said, that's not without precedent. If there's solid proof that the planes alone didn't bring the towers down, I'll be the first to consider it.
I love it!
There are several very good documentaries on the topic.
This one is a pretty good one- focused entirely upon how and they they fell-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=911+mysteries&hl=en
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the steel in the basement was molten, and there were many instances of "meteor effect" where powdered concrete and molten steel merged.
No steel should have melted that day. Jet fuel - which had burned up in just a few minutes - cannot reach the temps high enough to melt steel. The pools of molten steel are one of the biggest smoking guns of the day.
Here is professor jones, showing the many tests he ran which exclude all known govt theories presented. The molten steel HAD to be created only thru explosives - fire cannot get it hot enough.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4884818450327382904&q=911+molten+steel&hl=en
and:
Each WTC building collapse occurred at virtually free-fall speed (approximately 10 seconds or less).
Each building collapsed, for the most part, into its own footprint.
Virtually all the concrete (an estimated 100,000 tons in each tower) on every floor was pulverized into a very fine dust, a phenomenon that requires enormous energy and could not be caused by gravity alone ("…workers can’t even find concrete. ‘It’s all dust,’ [the official] said").
Dust exploded horizontally for a couple hundred feet, as did debris, at the beginning of each tower’s collapse.
Collapses were total, leaving none of the massive core columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air.
Salvage experts were amazed at how small the debris stacks were.
The steel beams and columns came down in sections under 30 feet long and had no signs of "softening"; there was little left but shorn sections of steel and a few bits of concrete.
Photos and videos of the collapses all show "demolition waves," meaning "confluent rows of small explosions" along floors (blast sequences).
According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings.
Each collapse had detectable seismic vibrations suggestive of underground explosions, similar to the 2.3 earthquake magnitude from a demolition like the Seattle Kingdome (p. 108).
Each collapse produced molten steel identical to that generated by explosives, resulting in "hot spots" that persisted for months (the two hottest spots at WTC-2 and WTC-7 were approximately 1,350o F five days after being continuously flooded with water, a temperature high enough to melt aluminum (p. 70).
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try ntelling thiose poor fucckers who've dug at the site for years that there is no concrete
are you being stupid for sales reasons?
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240 has actually got alot of respect from me due to the fact that he calmly answers every single challenge with shitloads of explainations and (possible) proof; hes not just some dumb kid spouting off a bunch of crap blindly. he was actually a repub/bush fan before he (unlike 99% of skeptics) actually took the time and looked into everything himself, made a decision based upon mountains of evidence he deemed worthy, then and only then made claims.
all you haters are mostly just regurging waht youve been told and havent actually looked into ANYTHING you just are to ignorant to actually go through stuff yourselves and make your own decisions. whether he proves to be right or not in the end, at least 240 has put a shitload of effort into actually researching for himself. that puts him way ahead of anyone challenging him who didnt do anything but watch fox news for a few hours.
while i personally dont necessarily agree with all his conclusions, i would love for any of you haters to explain to me the WTC7 situation.
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thanks matrix.
People should realize that even if the pentagon, the towers, norad- even if all that had zero questions - there would still be WTC7.
World Trade Center 7 was big- 47 stories of steel skyscraper. It fell suddenly at 5;20 PM when American was driving home from work and News was getting ready for the most watched 6 pm news cycle in history, so not many people saw it.
FIRE - No steel building has ever fallen from fire. Ever. just on 9/11. Many buildings, including the madrid windsor building, have burned for 24 hours, completely engulfed, and they still stand. This building had two small fires (one in Rudy's office lol)
OWNER - Silverstein, the owner, went on PBS and said they decided to "pull it", a phrase used frequently in the demolition field meaning to bring down a building.
TENANTS - FBI. CIA. Sec Srvc. SEC. Enron Investigation. Mayors office. Private money funds. These are the firms in WTC7. NO WAY you could have wired this building for bombs with these groups not knowing it.
ON 9/11 - they knew that WTC7 was coming down at 11:30 AM. Rudy said he was told. How the F? It was evacuated, it sat from 1130 til 520, when fires were almost out. Suddenly it fell.
It fell in 6.2 seconds. into its own basement. Physically impossible from fire.
Molten steel, like on WTC1 and 2 was found under the building. No plane hit this one though, just debris and a little fire.
NOW - the kicker - NIST and FEMA won't address why this modern skyscraper fell. They know whatever they come up with will be very implausible, as anyone with a brain will either say explosives, or refuse to answer :)
CNN - CNN brass has banned its anchors from ever showing WTC7 falling. Ever. Why the heck would they do this?
Why doesn't the white house look at WTC7 and realize something shady is going on and ORDER an investigation? Why does it take 441 days of protests from widows for them to do a quickie inevstigation?
WTC7 is the smoking gun. it's been 61 months and no expert will put the cause in writing. FEMA can't. NIST won't. Media can't play it. Does this smell like a coverup to anyone?
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This building in spain burned AFTER 911.
It was very hot. it burned for 24 hours. Flames licked up the side of the building. (Remember that the world trade towers' fires were almost out when they fell. fires were oxygen starved, and people were photographed waving for help in that big ass airplane gash.
Anyway, here it eh building during and after the fire. If a building can take this much of a pounding, why wouldn't the towers? Remember, the plane at WTC took out 4 floors per building. Somehow those 4 floors leveled all 110 floors?
I jsut don't buy it. This is what fire does to buildings:
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Here you see the building that was hit this week in NYC, compared with WTC7.
See how big at tall WTC 7 is? (47 stories plus penthouse, vs. 50 for the apartment building hit this week).
The fires at the bulding the other day were actually bigger than what WTC7 saw on 911. Why is it that WTC was in its own basement in under 7 seconds, and at this apartment building, people are back to normal life, watching tv in their homes right now?
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Why is it that WTC was in its own basement in under 7 seconds, and at this apartment building, people are back to normal life, watching tv in their homes right now?
b/c we saw fit that it be so.
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People should realize that even if the pentagon, the towers, norad- even if all that had zero questions - there would still be WTC7.
this is exactly my situation. what the hell happened with that building? i remember clear as day watching it fall on TV..i remember thinking why the hell did that one fall? i remember peter jennings saying 'it was too damaged they must have had to bring it down'.
this was perfectly reasonable to me, until i found out recently that the official story was that it was a 'victim' of 911 and that a building that size could not have been wired and brought down so perfectly in a single day or so. you have the simultaneous situation of it supposedly being a 'victim' whilst at the same time silverstein being on video saying he 'pulled it'.
the fact that no one will offer an explaination for this has made me question the entire thing.
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Plus - in case anyone says "maybe they decided that day to bring it down after the attacks", you'd have to look past these things:
1) There were dozes of floors of federal govt offices, and only two small pockets of fire. Would the SEC sign off on such a takedown, since so many of their records were destroyed that day?
2) A demolition takes weeks to prepare. They had hours. We would have seen fifty guys working all day long do make ths happen.
3) Don't you need permits to blow up buildings?
4) Lots of NYC lost power when that building fell. They typically turn off power grids when blowing up buildings sitting on top of them.
5) Is it dangerous to carry hundreds of pounds of explosives into a building which is on fire? LMAO...
6) There were firefighters, reporters, etc walking around nearby when it fell. Courtesy would have been to ask them to scoot back so they didn't get covered with debris.
7) Silverstein collected nearly $500M of insurance money for "building falling due to fire damage".
8) etc etc etc. You add your own reason :)
NIST has 10,000 scientists and engineers and they can't come up with how it fell. How weird is that? WTC was a controlled demolition IMO. No other explanation. And if WTC was a controlled demo, you can follow the logic that it was done ahead of time - a govt building was wired with bombs for um, no reason? Come on... The logic dominoes will lead you to the firms in WTC knowing about the building collapses.
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ahhahaha. i await answers to those questions. none will come 8)
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ahhahaha. i await answers to those questions. none will come 8)
lol... I know dude. Some people will call me a stupid idiot or make a crack about space aliens and Elvis. It's what they've been conditioned to do. Or the people who issued the original request to mock it will not respond. The good thing is that others read getbig, and hopefully this sunday a few new people will start researching it and find their own truths.
And for those who continue to say they believe it was fire - I like to ask them: "If you had to bet your life savings on whether it was fire damage, or controlled demolition, where would your money be?" Even if they lie to me, they'll likely think about it and know that even though it defies what they've been taught about the good people that protect us, their eyes and science say something else.
This shit is fun. history is happening. In ten years, everyone will know it was an inside job. It's hard now, because some are scared, some haven't seen enough evidence, and some refuse to even consider a possibility. But once they walk into a classroom, a home, a mall, a store, and they are the only one in the room who still believes the official story, they'll see how us 911 Skeptics once felt :)